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#rockbox log for 2009-08-06

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00:00:09linuxstbNo problem then - flyspray is a task tracker...
00:00:19brn2dthjoin brn2dth 6143736221
00:00:19DarkSpectrumalmost the same thing
00:00:38DarkSpectrumbrn2dth: having issues?
00:00:53*linuxstb steals brn2dth's identity
00:01:54DarkSpectrumwhats up?
00:02:12brn2dthnow, how i chance my pass?? :(
00:02:28DarkSpectrumon services?
00:02:33Mikachu/msg nickserv help
00:02:44DarkSpectrum/msg nickserv help setpass
00:03:10JdGordon|DarkSpectrum: sweet, whack it on flyspray when its ready for review...
00:03:14JdGordon|how far did you get?
00:03:46DarkSpectrumall radio related stuff moved to /apps/radio
00:04:55DarkSpectrumi just compiled with 22175 and no warnings, works on my my sansa c&e, just a few more things left to tweek/move
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00:05:28JdGordon|ah, cleanup only?
00:06:23DarkSpectrumso far, don't worry i'm working on the other things as well, like i said awhile ago, 1st part :)
00:07:13DarkSpectrumBTW... i hate you people!! :P
00:07:35DarkSpectrumyou all made me go back to running BSD on my other box to make it easier to work on this
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00:14:19brn2dthSET PASSWORD
00:14:47brn2dthnop... i dont understand...
00:14:48DarkSpectrumtry /nickserv setpass OldPassword Newpassword
00:15:43linuxstbbrn2dth: And best to type commands in the server window, not a channel (in case you make another typo)
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00:16:53brn2dthsorry... first time on IRC :(
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00:17:09DarkSpectrumthen checkout
00:21:44krazykitbut all of this is offtopic for tihs channel...
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00:28:16brn2dthuff... ok... sorry about that
00:28:46brn2dthive a question...
00:29:31brn2dthits possible enable WPS on Philips SA9200??
00:29:41linuxstbWhat do you mean?
00:30:54brn2dthi compile the code... with most plugins... include jpeg... but WPS not working
00:31:25linuxstbYou mean you can't play any audio files?
00:31:53brn2dthi can... but the .wps files not work...
00:32:38linuxstbWhich ones are you trying?
00:33:56brn2dthive use the r22175...
00:33:57pixelmawhere did you get them from?
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00:34:06linuxstbThe LCD is 128x160 pixels - you need ones designed for that size (I don't think there are any...) extras
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00:34:31linuxstbThat seems a unique LCD resolution amongst Rockbox targets.
00:35:46brn2dthyou mean.. that need more support in part of code?
00:36:02linuxstbNo, that there are no suitable themes.
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00:36:25pixelmathere isn't even more than the old default that comes with a build
00:36:29brn2dthok.. just need make a .wps...
00:37:06linuxstbbrn2dth: Yes. It would be great if you could adapt the default theme to work on the sa9200 - cabbiev2
00:39:34linuxstbbrn2dth: This is just editing the .wps file (a plain text file) and creating any necessary images.
00:39:47linuxstb(no C programming needed)
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00:52:51kugelJdGordon|: ping
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00:53:51kugelJdGordon|: what were the other things you didn't like but didn't mention?
00:54:20kugelw.r.t. the backdrop api thing
00:54:46JdGordon|I was umming and uhing about a few things... namely the names, but also why a type was needed for unload... but i tinhk i it does make snese?
00:56:28kugelwhat do you mean with "a type for unload"?
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00:56:51JdGordon|the backdrop_unload() func or whatver its called...
00:56:59JdGordon|i was tihnking that it should know which was the last one loaded
00:57:59kugelyou can unload the main or wps backdrop
00:59:28kugelso yes, it does make sense
00:59:46kugeland I think the names are good
01:07:33JdGordon|(going from memory...)
01:07:43JdGordon|you can only ave one backdrop loaded at once right?
01:08:10*JdGordon| is probably being confused by the word loaded then
01:08:15kugelyou can only show one at a time, but both backdrops are always in memory
01:08:35kugelload makes perfect sense imo
01:08:50linuxstbDo you mean load from disk?
01:09:22JdGordon|I'm thinking load into the lcd driver which is where the confusion obviously is
01:09:30JdGordon|so its a non issue
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01:10:12kugelJdGordon|: which remines me: why does gui_sync_wps_init() unload the backdrop?
01:10:17kugelthe wps one
01:11:13JdGordon|so the new wps doesnt use the old ones backdrop if none is specified?
01:11:59linuxstbHow is all this different to the set_backdrop and clear_backdrop functions that already exist?
01:12:14linuxstbI mean why the new names?
01:13:29kugellinuxstb: set_ and clear_ are lcd driver functions, load_, show_ and unload_ are apps/ functions
01:15:22kugelset_backdrop sets the main backdrop framebuffer location, and clear_backdrop...I can't find that function
01:16:38linuxstbI must have imagined it then, - it will just be set_backdrop(NULL)
01:16:41kugeland backdrop_show calls lcd_set_backdrop
01:18:24kugelJdGordon|: I just see that it's only called in main.c
01:22:34JdGordon|wtf does that fucntion do? ... this is why the cleanup is happening....
01:22:48JdGordon|the wps gets initied in settings_apply()...
01:23:09JdGordon|there shuold be a wps_init() in main somewhere to fix up the state struct, but not for the skin part of it
01:23:51kugelit does only do that, basically
01:24:07JdGordon|and random brain dump... I'm wondering if the state part shuold be removed from gui_wps/skin struct... either split up into global_status, or made completly seperate
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01:24:59kugelthough, main.c should probably have a skin_init() call, which does skin init (if there is one) and calling the screen's inits
01:25:50JdGordon|there probably will be one, but not yet... the skin engine doesnt have an init just yet
01:26:22kugelnot sure about the state part
01:28:04kugelthe wps_time_countup member seems totally unneeded
01:29:02JdGordon|the id3 and nid3 could be put in global_status for sure... senseless having that for the wps only
01:29:26kugelit's never set (wtf) and checked only once
01:29:28JdGordon|seen as they are safe to use now without calling audio_current/next()
01:29:34JdGordon|remove it :)
01:29:39JdGordon|when is it checked?
01:29:57kugelwhile rewinding&ff'ing
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01:30:57JdGordon|you shuold probaly check some svn changes and see why it was removed.... it might have some bugs because of it
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01:32:13kugelwhy me? :'(
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01:34:48JdGordon|your prize for finding it :)
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01:46:04kugelI haven't the slightest idea what it could be meant for, except for indicating the ff/rew direction
01:46:43kugelwps_data_load really looks ok now
01:47:08kugelwas so ugly, it hurt my eyes
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02:13:33AsaelReiterI rewriting some parts of brickmania, and I wonder how much powerups can fall simultaneously.
02:14:23AsaelReiterDo you think that 10 is enough?
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02:14:47CIA-6New commit by kugel (r22176): Add backdrop functions to the multiscreen api and add a enum backdrop_type parameter for different backdrops (main, wps), symplifying calls and ...
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02:19:55*JdGordon_ wonders abit about gui_wps_display()
02:23:42linuxstbkugel: Interesting range of deltas...
02:24:41kugelsomething went wrong
02:25:13kugeltesting h300 sim for remotes isn't enough :(
02:27:44JdGordon_what the heck happened with the deltas? some got backdrops enabled and some disabled?
02:28:05linuxstbkugel: In backdrop.c, you've used [LCD_FBHEIGHT][LCD_FBHEIGHT]
02:28:26kugelyep, I already saw that. I'm wondering about the deltas of greyscales though
02:29:21kugellandscape should "win", but the greyscales loss there
02:30:06kugelstupid last minute typos !!! :(
02:30:37linuxstbRemember that greyscale is four pixels per byte...
02:31:25JdGordon_you kept the bdrop var names :<
02:31:50linuxstbkugel: The ipods are horizontally packed, so the framebuffer is LCD_WIDTH/4 wide, so in effect it's portrait.
02:32:56JdGordon_ah, bad copy pastes..... [LCD_FBHEIGHT][LCD_FBHEIGHT]
02:33:09kugellinuxstb: alright, I didn't know that
02:34:39JdGordon_the lcd format doesnt matter here... the array is fb_data*FBWIDTH*FBHEIGHT
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02:37:55CIA-6New commit by kugel (r22177): Fix iaudio reds and crazy deltas, both caused by stupid typos.
02:39:30kugelJdGordon_: the question was why greyscale (or, greyscale ipods) lost instead of win, because landscape should win due to that
02:40:42kugelJdGordon_: why did you wonder?
02:41:09JdGordon_where it belongs...
02:42:12kugelI think we really only know where stuff belongs if/when we get another skin screen
02:42:25JdGordon_i tinhk the sooner we get another screen using skin the better
02:42:33JdGordon_... snap
02:42:44JdGordon_no ifs... its going to happen
02:43:37JdGordon_how is skin_* gonig re globals?
02:43:46JdGordon_even file scoped globals
02:44:11kugelhmm what?
02:44:35kugelI've successfully hidden the real deltas, at least
02:45:39kugelI compiled that m5/x5, but I didn't wait for linking
02:45:52JdGordon_the way the bmp filenames are stored is giong to cause problems.... thats a good thing to play with next if you want... :D
02:46:11JdGordon_they are put in a buffer which is only needed during load
02:46:25JdGordon_hmm... so maybe thats ok to keep as is
02:46:42JdGordon_we can only ever be in the proccess of loading one .skin(!) at a time
02:48:10CIA-6New commit by kugel (r22178): Correct yet another typo causing reds and greater shame on me.
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02:50:05kugelJdGordon_: we probably want your malloc^H^H^H^H^H^Hwps memory overhaul patch for that
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02:50:52JdGordon_yes and no..
02:51:51JdGordon_hmm... actually, i think they are pointers straight into the .wps buffer so they dont waste any reasl space..
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02:52:59*JdGordon_ wants to get the whole system down to 3 external skin functions.... load, display/update, and umm... load
02:53:28kugelgood luck :p
02:54:13JdGordon_are any more needed?
02:55:00kugelI don't think so
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02:58:52n9xvtheres one for ya,,is there a boot loader newer than 5.0? would there be ant advantage to upgradeing?
03:00:24kugeltalking about sansas?
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03:01:30n9xvtyeppers c240 series,,am running todays build of rockbox but havn't re-done bootloader in like ages
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03:03:11kugelthen yes
03:03:38kugel6.0, featuring a nice bootlogo and not booting the OF if you turn it on with the usb cable
03:04:15n9xvtkewl,,i remeber when i first heard about rockbox,,let me say "baby you've came a long way"!!
03:08:13CIA-6New commit by kugel (r22179): Move this call a bit up so that wpses without backdrop show none properly (the main backdrop).
03:09:30*JdGordon slaps kugel
03:09:38JdGordonthats the typo i told you about in the email
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03:10:20kugelread the commit message, the last 4 words :)
03:11:41kugeli totally forgot that point of your email
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03:12:41JdGordonobviously :)
03:13:08JdGordoni assume your about done for this evening?
03:13:28JdGordonI'm giong to look into cleaning up the bmp filename thing tonight
03:13:39JdGordon... hopefully
03:19:54kugelJdGordon: what's the problem with them?
03:21:48n9xvtok,,i pulled down the latest rbutil,,told it to do a complete install,,boot loader still says 5.0..does boot fine,,
03:23:26kugelrbutil needs updating I think
03:24:00kugelthe bootloader installation is built-in, and the new bootloaders have been released quite recently
03:25:36kugeln9xvt: download sansapatcher for your OS here and do it manually as described in the manual
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03:28:44linuxstbkugel: I think it's simply that the bootloaders are still in the wrong place...
03:28:54n9xvtyeah rockbox has matured guite nicely!!
03:29:51kugellinuxstb: IIRC rbutil compiles sansapatcher in
03:30:07linuxstbkugel: Yes, but not the actual bootloaders.
03:30:49kugelwhere are the actual bootloaders?
03:31:10linuxstbSame URL you pasted, but remove "pp-"
03:32:02kugelthere's no 6.0 bootloader
03:32:13n9xvtas i have tried to install a patch and not had any luck,,is there any way to ask to have a patch incorporated into daily build?
03:32:33linuxstbkugel: I know, that's my point... They were put in pp-bootloaders, instead of bootloaders
03:32:34n9xvtmy boot loader now says 6.0
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03:33:46kugellinuxstb: I asked where they are, not were they're supposed to be. but nevermind, I found them
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03:38:44n9xvtalso any clue how many people are using rockbox? by the way the patch i'm interested in is fs#9088
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03:46:20linuxstbn9xvt: I don't think so no. There are currently 23017 members of the forum though...
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04:54:32brn2dthanyone knows if SA9200 has support for mpg?
04:55:45linuxstbbrn2dth: No, I don't think it does yet (looking at the code) - it's missing the required function in the lcd driver.
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05:00:58brn2dththat this function would be? cuz sound works fine....
05:02:35brn2dththe plugin compiles fine...
05:03:50brn2dthyou try it?
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05:42:01iNobueI love RockBox.
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05:45:39barryHi, I think I just bricked my ipod while trying to install a bootloader
05:46:29barry$ sudo ./ipodpatcher /dev/sdb -a rockbox.ipod
05:46:29barryipodpatcher v3.0 with v3.0 bootloaders - (C) Dave Chapman 2006-2007
05:46:29barryThis is free software; see the source for copying conditions. There is NO
05:46:29DBUGSent KICK barry to server
05:46:29barrywarranty; not even for MERCHANTABILITY or FITNESS FOR A PARTICULAR PURPOSE.
05:46:29barry[INFO] Reading partition table from /dev/sdb
05:46:30Kick(#rockbox barry :No flooding!) by logbot!n=bjst@rockbox/bot/logbot
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05:46:48barry[INFO] Reading original firmware...
05:46:52barry[INFO] Wrote 8220672 bytes to firmware partition
05:46:54barry[INFO] Bootloader rockbox.ipod written to device.
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05:47:43JdGordoni doubt you did...
05:48:22barryI just get the apple logo now, and no usb connection to pc
05:48:46JdGordonhow did you do that?
05:49:14barryI had upgraded the ipod video 5.5g to a 240gb drive from apricorn
05:49:19barryapple firmware works
05:49:34barrycompiled rockbox with the changes for the lba48 support
05:49:46barryand ran $ sudo ./ipodpatcher /dev/sdb -a rockbox.ipod
05:50:49barrythe instructions on the web site said ipodpatcher is interactive, but it didn't seem to be installing anything without adding options
05:51:06JdGordonwithout -a it is interactive...
05:51:23JdGordonit might have issues with the big disk
05:51:29*JdGordon has no idea about this stuff
05:51:36JdGordonprobably best to try the forums
05:51:44iNobueQuick question barry.
05:51:55iNobueHow did you upgrade from the 5.5 to 240?
05:51:59iNobueIs it external some how?
05:52:20barryapricorn is selling an upgrade kit with a 1.8" toshiba 240gb drive
05:52:29barrydo you think it's bricked now?
05:53:20iNobueI'm in the same position as JdGordon. But I think you will a fix for it.
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06:02:07kadobani notice that the file extension of the default save for goban plugin was changed to ".save". this seems a bit odd since it's actually a standard format which universally has a ".sgf" extension. not really a big deal, but minorly annoying since i often transfer those files to my computer ( kkurbjun: are you available to discuss it for a moment?)
06:04:03TruthTacospeaking of the go plugin, i love it!
06:04:35kadobanah, cool :) me too, but i'm biased (i wrote it)
06:06:35TruthTacowow nice, i was supprised at how well it was done, and how many options it had when i first tried it :)
06:07:29iNobueGo Plugin? D:
06:07:31kadobanheh, yeah it was originally really simple, but one tester kept requesting good features
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06:09:53TSS_Killerok...I have a little dilemma here
06:10:19TSS_KillerI tried to install the dualboot loader on a Gigabeat S30 and it bricked (frozen bootscreen)
06:10:55TSS_Killerit doesn't even load any status bars, it's just hangs at the gigabeat logo
06:11:52JdGordonej0rge: able to help him?
06:12:43TSS_Killerand no, unplugging the battery and HDD didn't work
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06:13:17TSS_Killerand none of the "recovery" button holding techniques worked either
06:14:01*TSS_Killer will idle here all night anyway
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06:17:45JdGordonTSS_Killer: yeah, this is a bad time for support... best try the forums
06:17:57TSS_KillerI figured...
06:18:33TSS_Killerit's ok, I'll post on the fourms and I'll check back here later on...
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06:38:55ej0rgeTSS_Killer: have you tried recovery mode?
06:39:03ej0rgeoh wait, yes you have
06:39:36ej0rgeTSS_Killer: I've never seen one bricked like that. I assume you've tried switching the battery off and on and trying recovery mode again?
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06:43:10ej0rgeTSS_Killer: If it were me in that situation, the next thing I'd try is to disconnect the harddrive and see if it boots to error 5
06:45:07TSS_KillerI disconnected the HDD and it was still frozen
06:45:28TSS_KillerI even let the battery run out
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06:51:51barryhi... i put the old drive in and it works
06:52:18barryI put the new drive back in, and it won't boot and the computer won't see it. setting the lock switch makes no difference
06:52:50barryso I guess I need to wipe the drive somehow, but I have no idea where to get a connector that would work in a pc
06:53:13iNobueThe new drive must be formatted wrong?
06:53:22barryno, it was working fine with apple firmware
06:53:33barrywhen I ran the bootloader install I screwed it up
06:53:57kkurbjunkadoban: if the normal extension is .sgf on the computer I don't see a problem with it being that instead of .save, I mainly think that the saves should be in the .rockbox directory with everything else
06:54:36kkurbjunI was just testing plugins and kept wondering where this sgf folder was coming from till I realized it was goban
06:54:44kadobankkurbjun: yeah, the rest of that commit i agree with, just the extension would be better as .sgf, imo
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06:55:46ej0rgeTSS_Killer: That's very unusual. Rockbox doesn't alter the flash bootloader on the gigabeat S.
06:56:20ej0rgeTSS_Killer: so with no hard drive, it should act exactly like it does with no hard drive if you'd never put rockbox on it - which is, it should boot up to error 5
06:57:04TSS_KillerI used sendfirm
06:57:19ej0rgeRight. That's like a file transfer protocol - all it does is put a file on the hard drive
06:58:22TSS_Killerif there was a "real" recovery mode, I could probably try that
06:58:48ej0rgeWhat's more "Real" than triggering the built in firmware recovery mode?
06:59:28TSS_Killerthe only "recovery" mode I could find was for the zune
06:59:56TSS_Killernow, I know that the zune was a rebranded toshiba...but I'm not sure if the button combinations were the same
07:01:05UnhelpfulTSS_Killer: there's a battery disconnect switch on gigabeat s, no need to let the battery run out :)
07:01:11ej0rgerecovery mode is accessed on the S by switching the battery off and then holding down left + menu while turning it on
07:02:55CIA-6New commit by kkurbjun (r22181): Goban: Rename save file extension back to sgf to match other applications.
07:04:22kadobanthanks kkurbjun, much appreciated (for the other commit too)
07:04:41kkurbjun:) no problem
07:07:37TSS_Killerej0rge: see, I was pressing the wrong buttons (no thanks to people on other forums)
07:08:25ej0rgeTSS_Killer: NP
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07:10:15TSS_Killerone more question before I go...I have a Sansa e260 (v1)...does this new rockbox release finally enable native USB support in rockbox?
07:11:14ej0rgeTSS_Killer: yes, and there's a new bootloader as an official test build (check the rockbox forum) that boots to rockbox instead of the OF when you plug in usb
07:12:50TSS_Killerand let me ask you this...all of this time that I was trying to install rockbox on the S30, I kept getting no disk in drive errors while trying to use sendfirm
07:13:09TSS_Killerwith the single boot firmware available
07:14:20iNobueOh you fixed your problem TSS?
07:14:24TSS_Killerand the strange thing was that initially, rockbox's USB mode would come up, and then even though I copied the rockbox files, it would boot into rockbox once and then it would give the number 3 error
07:14:29TSS_Killeryes, the "bricking"
07:14:35iNobueCongrats. :)
07:14:51TSS_Killernow I have to figure out how to install it properly :P
07:29:32pixelmaTSS_Killer: there is a "monster drive build" which addresses some issues with certain drives in the "unsupported builds" part of the forums, though I don't know which or anything else about it... I think you could also find info why it was created in the forums too if you search for it. Unfortunately it looks like this build also includes unrelated patches... and "unsupported builds" are unsupported
07:30:58TSS_KillerI think after this fiasco, I think I'll wait until a more stable installation method is discovered
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07:44:31onexusedI have a 3rd-gen ipod that I just stuck a CF card in. I'm on Linux. Is the only way to install rockbox to first find a Windows or Mac and run iTunes on the ipod?
07:45:55Galoisdoes the linux installer not work?
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07:48:05onexusedGalois: I get "no ipods found, aborting" with the manual bootloader install, and "Partition layout is not an ipod" (twice) with rbutil when trying to install.
07:48:27Galoiscan you dd the old disk over to the new drive?
07:49:20onexusedGalois: I used dd to copy the first partition. Should I have done the whole disk?
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07:50:33onexusedI'll try doing the whole disk to see if it helps, and hope I have enough battery.
07:50:41Galoisthe utility expects the factory installed partition layout. You can install rockbox manually as well, although I don't remember whether the ipodpatcher program now requires that partition layout.
07:51:28Galoisat one point it was definitely possible to install on any layout you wanted. Of course the original firmware will not work with joe random partitioning layout.
07:51:59onexusedI don't need the original firmware, really. I don't use it.
07:52:41Galoisbattery shouldn't be an issue, since dd requires USB hookup and it always charges when plugged in to USB
07:53:43onexusedGalois: Maybe it does charge, but it always ran out of battery for me when I tried to copy all my songs on at once.
07:57:10onexuseddoing the dd now.
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08:18:20onexusedAwesome. I only copied 80MB with dd 'cause it kept having errors at 2GB, but I can install rockbox now.
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08:53:19DarkSpectrumargh... where did the current source download get moved to?
09:05:20UnhelpfulDarkSpectrum: i don't believe we're offerring one any more. it's much easier to keep up-to-date source with svn or git.
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09:12:57DarkSpectrumi found it anyway :P
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09:14:31Unhelpfulyou might want to check the revision on that, it could've been packaged a good while ago.
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12:42:24n1sbertrik: any reason to keep that unused function around?
12:44:30bertrikI think it can go, but I would like to leave that to the beast maintainer (if there is one)
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14:07:05Jaykayis there already a page with the build round stats up?
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14:20:00pyro_maniacJaykay: you are looking for this ?
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14:23:38Jaykaypyro_maniac: no... i searched that a week before :) i was looking for a page where the build round completion time and point per client etc are listed
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14:27:04iNobueThe simulator isn't loading images for me.
14:27:13iNobueSo I can't check if my album art is working.
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14:36:10pyro_maniaciNobue:current build?
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14:48:32iNobueVer. r22050-090726
14:48:35iNobueiPod Video
14:54:40pyro_maniaciNobue: please try a actual build. if the error still occures report again.
14:55:08linuxstbiNobue: What kind of images, and how are you trying to load them?
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15:07:15iNobueOkay. I made this (, and I want to make it show up when a songs playing, somewhere on the screen and show how much battery is left. I tried to use some code from another theme but no luck.
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15:10:43linuxstbiNobue: Can you upload your .wps file somewhere? No-one can see what you did wrong if you don't show us.
15:16:40iNobueI'm only modding cabbie for my first one but.
15:16:56iNobueI've got the battery in the position I want it. It's clipped off a bit though.
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15:31:00iNobueDo I need more than 7 images?
15:37:09iNobueSigh. I'm confused. I've got the line of code right, the x,y and number of images.
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15:54:04saratogamt: still interested in ATRAC?
15:58:29mtsaratoga: Yeah. Although it will take me much longer time to implement than cook, I think.
16:00:24saratogayes I think so
16:00:49saratogaany thought about how you will do it?
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16:03:16mtThe process will be almost the same as cook at first ; isolate the decoder and then modify the test program to produce wav files from atrac audio files.
16:05:01mtThen converting the decoder to use fixed point math, and testing the output again with the test program.
16:05:11saratogaisolating the decoder should be easy since its ffmpeg
16:05:24mtFinally, porting to rockbox.
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16:06:55saratogai'm skimming atrac3.c now, its actually fairly similar to cook
16:07:08mtYes, I think the conversion to fixed point is what is going to take up the most time of all. isolating and porting shouldn't be a problem.
16:07:40mtiirc they even use the same descrambling formula for the extraction of audio frames.
16:07:50*mt checks
16:07:56saratogaif you get the codec working with rockbox's rm parser, you should be able to run the codec in the sim, even before its converted to fixed point
16:08:24saratogaand then maybe move backwards converting one segment at a time to fixed point so that you can check the output as you go
16:08:55saratogathough running in the sim is quite inconvient, so a test program like you suggested is probably better
16:13:01LambdaCalculus37mt, saratoga: ATRAC in RM containers next? You guys are crazy. :P
16:13:24LambdaCalculus37But seriously, if this works, how hard would it be to make a stand-alone ATRAC codec?
16:14:16saratogaLambdaCalculus37: theres a decoder in ffmpeg for atrac3, so thats what would be used
16:14:24saratogaits more or less stand alone
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16:16:08saratogahuh atrac3 is a hybrid subband coder like mp3
16:16:16saratogai didn't realize more of those existed
16:19:39LambdaCalculus37Me neither.
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16:26:06mtLambdaCalculus37: :)
16:27:52mtsaratoga: I don't think the test program would be a problem, I just checked and it uses the same formula as cook for the extraction of audio frames from the container.
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16:40:26saik0I cant seem to find the answer to this anywhere in the docs. Does syncing an iPod running rockbox in iTunes create a db for the stock firmware?
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16:49:36LambdaCalculus37saik0: No, you would have to sync using the OF.
16:50:02LambdaCalculus37But as long as the music is not DRM infected, you can create a database in Rockbox to use the same music.
16:51:39saik0Hmm i justed tested it with songbird (which lokos like it borrowed gtkpod syncing code) and the OF is listing all the files
16:51:48saratogatheres some documentation here about ATRAC (taken from the ffmpeg wiki)
16:52:00saratogaits atrac2 rather then 3, but it looks very similar to the decoder in ffmpeg
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16:52:58saik0How do i rebuild the db in RB?
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16:55:40iNobueSettings > General Settings > Update Now
16:55:48mtsaik0: settings->general settings->database->update now
16:56:01iNobueWoops, missed the database part.
16:56:27iNobueYou can set it to Auto Update as well, on power off/on it will update automatically.
16:58:28mtsaratoga: This seems to be good too, and atrac3 as well :
16:58:52iNobueDoes album art need to be below a certain size and width/height
16:58:58iNobueSome show, some don't. All JPEG.
17:00:46saratogait does not
17:00:53saratogabut it must not be progressive jpeg
17:01:02saratogayou can open jpeg files in rockbox to see if they're progressive
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17:02:57saik0I think i give up in having my music collection available in RB and OF
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17:04:54iNobueIS there a program where I can mass re-save my jpegs to not be progressive?
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17:10:52tmztoh, but rockbox doesn't support it
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17:21:04saik0I think i'll just stick with RB, and learn to develop the same hatred for iPod devices and accessories as non-apple player owners have
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18:31:33Strife89What, exactly, needs to be done to the Working With Playlists section of the manual? (I've been looking at the ManualToDo Wiki page; then at some listed sections of the manual, but nothing under the Chapter Specific section strikes me as in need of work.)
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18:36:28n1sStrife89: that fixme note is pretty old and it might be time to remove it, i don't know any specifics but if the chapter covers what you usually do and can do with playlists in an understandable manner i'd say we can remove it
18:36:51Strife89n1s: I read through it, and it makes sense to me.
18:37:39Strife89Maybe get a second opinion, though?
18:37:54n1ssure .9
18:37:57n1sEH :)
18:38:46Strife89I'm not a committer, so I can't remove it myself.
18:39:15Strife89I'll take care of the Wiki, though.
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18:43:15LambdaCalculus37Strife89: If you'd like, take a look at FS #10431. We need the keymap listings for the GoGear SA9200 in the manual.
18:43:59*Strife89 reads FS #10431.
18:46:02Strife89Hmm, this will take a while.
18:54:02n1sStrife89: i can remove the fixme but don't have the manual building stuff set up right now
18:54:20Strife89Ah, okay.
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19:15:04saratogaI added a lot to the ContributingToRockbox wiki page
19:15:14saratogai'd like to get more ideas for ways people can help
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19:15:30saratogamore links to existing wiki pages would be nice too
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19:23:37n1ssaratoga: testing the official test builds might be something for non-coders?
19:25:08n1salso fixing bugs is missing from the for coders list :)
19:25:14saratogathose tend to be better suited for people following development of new ports and features though
19:25:45saratogaits mentioned under the individual headers (improve compatibility, etc)
19:26:32n1salso picking up old forgotten patches
19:26:58saratogaah thats a good one
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19:27:19saratogaMrSomeoneTodo list as well
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19:30:57n1shmm, tried running that database creation utility but it segfaults
19:32:25n1slooks like it dies on the same file every time
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19:36:30saratogadoes rockbox parse that file ok?
19:36:32n1sah, no it just segfaults when it's done
19:36:47n1sa nice little crash on exit :)
19:37:28saratogacan the database tool be compiled for windows?
19:37:39saratogamight be nice to give to people to trouble shoot metadata problems
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19:50:20n1si wonder how to turn on logf in this utility
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20:02:58[GFS]SeeDhi guys
20:03:34[GFS]SeeDsomeone here who is willing to help me with an issue Ive got with rockbox 3.3?
20:04:39n1sif you tell us what the problem is, we might be able to help
20:04:50[GFS]SeeDthx dude
20:04:52[GFS]SeeDso here is the deal
20:04:59[GFS]SeeDive got a e280 rhapsody
20:05:09[GFS]SeeDchecked it in the info menu of the player
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20:05:14[GFS]SeeDwanted to get rockbox on it
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20:05:24[GFS]SeeDtried it the way described in the manual for e200 sansas
20:05:25[GFS]SeeDon the page
20:05:42ej0rgerhapsody versions have a different installation procedure
20:05:59[GFS]SeeDwhere exactly can I find this information?
20:06:02[GFS]SeeDis it on the page?
20:06:11ej0rgethere's a link to it on that page, iirc
20:06:27pixelmacould you try to put more of your sentences into one line before hitting enter? Much easier to read (and in the channel guidelines linked from the topic)
20:07:28[GFS]SeeDk, thx Im gonna try it... thanks a lot. Sorry been using mirc for a while, but didnt know that was a rule, my apologies
20:17:01n1sheh, stupid bug
20:18:32iNobueIs the iPod_Control folder required for RockBox to operate
20:18:41iNobueOr can I delete it. (Hit enter by mistake.)
20:19:04saratoganot used by rockbox
20:20:22Strife89iNobue: The only folder that's needed by Rockbox is ".rockbox", so feel free to delete other folders as you see fit.
20:20:38iNobueOkay, thank you.
20:21:42pixelmaif you want to listen to music in the original firmware for some reason though...
20:28:42CIA-6New commit by nls (r22190): Fix crash in the database utility, turns out passing too few arguments for stat() isn't the best idea :)
20:36:23n1si wonder if it passed something random from the stack as a pointer...
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20:41:04ej0rgeStrife89: well, on ipods anyway. If someone were to find GBSYSTEM on a gigabeat and nuke it, they'd have problems.
20:42:22LambdaCalculus37Strife89: Or something like the SYSTEM folder on many PP-based players.
20:43:04Strife89Ah, yeah...
20:46:59[GFS]SeeDthanks a lot guys it worked
20:47:09[GFS]SeeDgood work on that program, its amazing
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21:03:02CIA-6New commit by nls (r22191): Fix out of bounds accesses in keybox and matrix
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21:20:29kugeln1s: are you sure your fix to keybox is correct?
21:21:34kugelhm, reading the diff again, it seems correct
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21:28:42amiconnkugel: Btw, as you wondered yesterday - it is pretty clear why your typo increased RAM usage on the greyscale ipods:
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21:29:25kugelit wasn't for me
21:29:37amiconnLCD_FB(WIDTH|HEIGHT) contain the width and height of the framebuffer *in bytes*, and the greyscale ipods have horizontally packed 2bpp pixels
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21:30:11amiconnSo LCD_FBHEIGHT (128) is larger than LCD_FBWIDTH (40), even though the display is landscape
21:30:16kugelyea, linuxstb explained that
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21:30:40kugelalthough my definition of "pretty clear" is a bit different
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21:52:50pyro_maniackugel: can you share some code for samsung battery charging and detection?
21:53:11kugelsure, wait some minutes
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22:02:52kugelpyro_maniac: I got ~6:50h battery life, it's rated for 10h. I'm doing a last bench though which I expect to be a bit better
22:06:35kugelpyro_maniac: it charges in rockbox (using CONFIG_CHARGING == CHARGING_SIMPLE), so it's hardware controlled. I'll commit it with a better battery calibration tomorrow (hopefully!)
22:07:25pyro_maniacok and i try to adept it to the yh920
22:09:16bertrikthe meizu has a LTC3455 which does autonomous charging, the Samsung YP-P2 uses an AAT2550, I suspect the Samsung yp-s3 uses one of those too
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22:10:40kugelbertrik: that's not the samsung we're talking about :p
22:11:13bertrikyeah, but it looks like there are a lot of similarities between samsung players (and s5l8700 based players)
22:12:38bertrikfor example the way that the battery voltage is measured, 4.65V full range seems to work for the YP-S3 (and probably the YP-P2) too
22:13:11pyro_maniacok but the yh devices are PP based
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22:25:27iNobueI used cabbie as my default code and it's getting to the point where it's not cabbie. Was wondering how I'd have the album art always showing?
22:25:39iNobueIn the same way it does when it loads in the cabbie theme, with the track info next to it.
22:26:54DarkSpectrumlol i have no idea on that one, i'd say write a conditional but put a "blank space" in the background as a placeholder so if a user doesnt have album art it will still have a consistant look
22:27:54iNobueWon't be releasing this one. My second I will, as I'll write it from scratch.
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22:30:39iNobueI'll give this a go though, I'm just afraid to break it for a.. sixth time. This is the trouble with code that isn't fully all yours. :P
22:31:32DarkSpectrumlol true
22:33:11bertrikah, the Samsung YH920 use an LTC3455 too, this chip has a charging status output. It's very well possible that this is connected to some GPIO of the CPU, so perhaps with a little experimentation you can find this bit and add charging status detection to the Samsung YHs
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22:37:26kugelbertrik: we have this (on my yh925 at least)
22:40:18kugelpyro_maniac: does your samsung also have this annoying backlight which never turns off?
22:40:31*kugel really needs to led mod those away
22:41:24kugelif that's possible, that is
22:41:29pyro_maniacdidn't noticed this because i am not realy using it. if there would be sound i would test on the way to work and back
22:41:57bertrikkugel, oh I didn't see it in the code
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22:42:33kugelseen the patch I posted to pastie? it adds monitoring and charging
22:43:04kugelpyro_maniac: sadly, I can't help you with the sound. maybe if you slap funman enough he'll get on it
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22:44:27pyro_maniackugel: i annoyed him several times but he is to busy with the sd driver and the ams devices he said.
22:44:47kugelI don't think he's doing anything in that area at the moment
22:45:20pyro_maniackugel: because of holiday?
22:45:36kugelno, because we devs don't have any problems
22:45:51kugelbut some users are reporting some but we can't figure out the cause
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22:48:04pyro_maniacbertrik: have you ever thougth about a blog for the samsung yp-s3 port? i saw your steps in the logs and i thougt it could be a very good howto for porting.
22:48:16pyro_maniackugel: you are confusing me again
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22:50:25kugelpyro_maniac: some users are reporting problems, but since we devs have 0 problems, fixing or even finding them is next to impossible
22:51:53pyro_maniacok now i got it. the bugs are not reproducible.
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23:04:17pyro_maniackugel: have you tested some plugins?
23:04:29kugelvery little
23:04:40kugelholding in bubbles doesn't work
23:04:58pyro_maniacbad keys?
23:05:11kugelbtw, gevaerts, you probably want to recalibrate the samsung builds. it has plugins now
23:05:35kugelno, single pressing work, holding a key doesn't (left/right to aim, for example)
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23:14:38webguest58im just wondering if rockbox will ever use imbeded albem art right now thats the only thing stoping me fro using it
23:15:38Bagdernow that is one of the silliest reasons I've read for not using Rockbox...
23:15:44n1smaybe, if someone implements this
23:16:00Bagderbut yeah, I'd like it to support it one day
23:17:17Mikachuyeah, bright coloured fish to the people!
23:17:21webguest58well i perfer to use itunes to load my music to my ipod and its hard to put albem art in seporetly
23:18:14webguest58plus all my music is in mp4 format
23:18:23Mikachuprobably isn't difficult to make a small script that goes through a dirtree and pulls out album art from tags and puts in cover.jpg
23:18:41evilnickRockbox plays mp4 fine, provided it isn't infected with DRM
23:19:10webguest58no drm om eney thing i hav
23:20:02kugeljust don't use itunes :/
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23:20:32iNobueI think I find it easier having a folder.jpeg in my album folders, drop it in my DAP. Done.
23:20:44kugelalso, I think there are tools to extract album art automatically
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23:21:13evilnickiTunes is mostly horrible for doing things behind the scenes in an attempt to make things easier, when it just frustrates me
23:21:23webguest58if you look at the directory for music files the files are named and sorted diferently then thay are on your harddrive
23:21:51evilnickwebguest58: The directory on your iPod?
23:21:52*JdGordon| would laugh if when we get embedded AA that itunes puts them in as progressive scan so they cant be used anyway
23:23:21kugelwebguest58: why don't use you use a tool that can sync as nicely, and doesn't rename your files so strange and that can extract album art?
23:23:23webguest58yup ipod:\iPod_Control\Music\F00-F99\
23:24:05pixelmaMikachu: cover.jpg will be hard for Itunes db dir structure but that's what you could set up an album art folder with artist-album.jpg
23:24:27evilnickwebguest58: Yes, iTunes helpfully does that. With Rockbox you don't need to use that and are free to use any file manager program to transfer the files.
23:24:30webguest58the music is named ????.mp4 based on idtag
23:25:00kugelwebguest58: itunes is doing that, other tools don't do that, and rockbox doesn't need that
23:25:08pixelmaalbum-artist.jpg from the tags
23:27:24webguest58realy Pixelma?? how??? \Album Art\"Artist"-"Album".jpg???
23:28:11pixelmawebguest58: , possibility number 5 should also work with the Itunes dir structure (using the tags to combine the filename, and leaving out character that aren't possible in file names)
23:28:49pixelmaor replacing, see below
23:29:15webguest58ill give it a try
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