#rockbox 2009-08-09

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#rockbox log for 2009-08-09

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00:20:10	burden	hello, I need help syncing my rockboxed iPod video.
00:20:29	burden	I use songbird to manage all my music in one folder and it is organized the way I like it
00:20:47	burden	and all I want to do is keep that folder on my comp synced w/ my iPod
00:21:00	burden	when I add or delete stuff from that folder, I want it to do the same on my iPod folder
00:21:14	burden	essentially, I want it to keep a copy of that folder on my iPod
00:21:15	Mikachu	man rsync
00:21:24	burden	is that the best program?
00:21:32	burden	that is the only thing I want it to do
00:21:43	Mikachu	that is basically the only thing rsync does
00:22:07	burden	ok cool
00:22:09	burden	thanks
00:22:36	burden	is it for windows xp?
00:22:38	Mikachu	no
00:24:25	burden	it says on the tools website that it is for windows
00:28:46	Mikachu	it works on windows but it's not specifically for windows
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00:29:39	burden	what about treeComp?
00:29:41	burden	is that good?
00:29:49	Mikachu	no idea, i haven't used windows in years
00:29:55	GodEater	none of these questions are about Rockbox really
00:30:10	burden	its generalized at rockbox however
00:30:10	GodEater	how you sync your music is a personal choice that Rockbox doesn't get in the way of
00:31:12	burden	yes, but because I am using rockbox, I have to use an ulternate sync method, therefore this question is about rockbox
00:32:26	GodEater	why do you have to use an alternate sync method ?
00:33:00	burden	because copy paste every time I change my library is inneficient
00:33:11	burden	and songbird doesn't sync .flac
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00:33:30	gevaerts	sounds like a bug in songbird
00:33:30	Mikachu	i would say the ipod is the alternate method
00:34:07	burden	its not a bug in songbird, songbird works flawlessly with the orginal iPod firmware
00:34:19	burden	and what do you mean that the iPod is the alternate method?
00:34:38	GodEater	well it wouldn't sync .flac with the original firmware, so I doubt that
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00:34:46	Mikachu	syncing with rockbox is completely generic, it's just a directory
00:34:47	GodEater	since the original firmware doesn't play .flac
00:34:59	burden	well, the original iPod firmware doesn't support flac so naturally it wouldn't sync it
00:35:05	Mikachu	but you need to do a lot of specialized stuff to sync with an ipod
00:35:11	burden	yes, I know
00:35:23	gevaerts	burden: well, there are dozens of syncing tools around, you can't expect us to have an opinion on them all
00:35:24	burden	but I have my library organized in the wya I want it
00:35:37	burden	well do u guys know of a good one/
00:35:38	burden	?
00:35:53	*	GodEater finds copy to be just fine
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00:36:12	burden	for windows that just syncs 2 folders? One is the copy and the other is the original directory
00:36:22	GodEater	I hear tell MediaMonkey has fans amongst window users
00:36:33	GodEater	can't speak personally though
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00:41:35	CIA-6	New commit by zagor (r22212): Change regex to split
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00:41:51	GodEater	bye then
00:44:22	CIA-6	New commit by zagor (r22213): Better disconnect handling. Added compiler segfault detection.
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00:46:20	pera	hello, I've a problem: my sansa clip is hang, is there some way to turn it off?
00:47:38	gevaerts	pera: I think holding power for a while should do it
00:48:26	pera	haha yup I realized now
00:48:32	pera	thanks gevaerts =)
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01:27:56	pera	Another question: I'm trying to compile sim, but I get an error on make: http://pastebin.com/m4b525cc4
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01:32:14	pera	I forget to do make clean :$ now works
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01:57:51	pixelma	Zagor: is it normal that the client is doing test bilds all the time? It somehow disconnects in between some builds too, quite regularly
01:58:12	Zagor	yes, it is normal. I'm running bestfit tests right now.
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02:01:42	pixelma	are the disconnects ok too?
02:02:46	Zagor	yes, that is when I restart the server to run a new modification
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02:04:19	pixelma	ok, I wonder if there was a way to inform people. I first thought something has been messed up again, so looked around for some info... ;)
02:04:55	Zagor	the server says "Server message: New bestfit test round started." at the start of each test round.
02:06:02	pixelma	I read that but it's quite hidden among the other info and after last weekend I had some doubts if it should run constantly ;)
02:06:42	Zagor	hehe. asking never hurts. but now I'm off to bed so the clients can rest a bit.
02:07:12	pixelma	god natt
02:07:39	Zagor	detsamma
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04:20:14	TruthTaco	Hi, im trying to add a patch to rockbox, ive been following this guide http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/LinuxSimpleGuideToCompiling and ive gotten to the adding patch part and im missing something
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04:47:05	Blue_Dude	DSP functionality added to test_codec at FS #10502. Try it.
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05:21:00	CIA-6	New commit by kkurbjun (r22214): Rockboy: Significantly reduce the number of palette updates, add support for hardware palette mode, screen can now be rotated left or right.
05:34:37	JohnTeddy	Where is the Buyers guide?
05:35:56	CIA-6	New commit by kkurbjun (r22215): Rockboy: Cleanup red
05:36:28	TruthTaco	http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/BuyersGuide
05:38:57	JohnTeddy	TruthTaco: What would you buy?
05:40:49	froggyman	try a gigabeat
05:41:50	TruthTaco	Id buy a sansa fuze
05:41:54	TruthTaco	cause thats what i did buy
05:42:39	TruthTaco	i dont like big players that take up my whole pocket, and from what i could tell sansa was the best flash player
05:42:56	JohnTeddy	Is it hard to find a Sansa Fuze that works with rockbox?
05:43:29	TruthTaco	mmmm
05:43:39	TruthTaco	well i got mine a while back when there was only V1 out
05:44:08	TruthTaco	i guess you could get one of the earlyer sansa's
05:44:29	TruthTaco	or just look for a v1 on ebay i suppose
05:45:48	JohnTeddy	How do I know I am buying v1 when I go on various websites? http://www.google.com/products/catalog?q=Sansa+Fuze&hl=en&cid=3361362014665567807&sa=title#p
05:46:49	JohnTeddy	hmm, none are listed on ebay
05:47:49	TruthTaco	if someones selling a fuze on ebay just message them and ask them to tell you the version
05:48:00	TruthTaco	(or any other player where you need a certain version0
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06:28:06	Etrigan	Hey, I'm having an issue with Rockbox, if anyone is around to help.
06:29:14	TruthTaco	generally if you have a question you just ask
06:29:32	TruthTaco	(the question0
06:31:38	Etrigan	I've used Rockbox 3.3 (for the iPod 5th gen, 60gb) for about 2 months with no problem. When I unplugged it from charging today, it tried to boot normally, but said "failed to load linux.bin" (I don't have any Linux installed, unless rockbox does it when it installs), and froze. The only method to unfreeze is to remove the battery. I've tried re-installing Rockbox about 4 times, and the like, but nothing seems
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06:45:37	scorche	Etrigan: are you holding the play/pause button while booting?
06:46:29	Etrigan	Any button gets me to the "failed to load" screen
06:46:42	scorche	failed to load linux.bin?
06:47:04	Etrigan	yes
06:47:38	scorche	and you did install the rockbox bootloader, yes?
06:47:48	Etrigan	yes
06:47:58	Etrigan	it's worked about 2 months, with no problem
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06:48:10	scorche	then your device thinks that the play/pause button is being held down for some odd reason...
06:48:48	scorche	also, holding menu + select should reboot your device fine, no?
06:48:53	Etrigan	no
06:48:59	Etrigan	it doesn't do anything
06:49:11	Etrigan	(even in the apple firmware)
06:49:19	scorche	even if you turn the hold switch on, then off, then hold menu and select for potentially up to 30 seconds?
06:49:32	Etrigan	yep, nothing happens.
06:50:00	scorche	does the apple firmware work fine?...it sounds like you have a hardware issue with your scrollwheel
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06:50:31	Etrigan	the apple firmware is garbage, but appears to be fine
06:50:47	scorche	and pressing all of the buttons and such works fine?
06:51:03	scorche	if menu+select doesnt work, then you have a hardware issue, full stop...
06:51:09	scorche	or are doing it wrong..
06:51:31	Etrigan	hmm, so see if the scroll wheel is connected correctly?
06:52:11	scorche	well, it does seem odd that the apple firmware would work fine with the buttons and all, but...
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06:56:59	TruthTaco	Im having issues getting the wikipedia plugin to work, it seems to patch fine but when it goes to compile i get errors http://pastebin.com/m12f0e290
06:57:43	scorche	then figure out what is causing those errors and fix them...the patch is likely out of sync
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07:01:04	TruthTaco	well someone told me today it was in sync, but i guess it might be out of sync
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07:17:14	CIA-6	New commit by kkurbjun (r22216): M:Robe 500: Start Building at 640x480 by default.
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12:57:37	CIA-6	New commit by bluebrother (r22219): Clean up bootloader installation debug output a bit.
12:57:43	CIA-6	New commit by bluebrother (r22220): Extend bootloader installation to accept alternatives for the destination filename. ...
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13:05:19	jaykay	i noticed two things in the build system... first: after killing a build or starting the upload of a completed one, sometimes my client needs 10 seconds to start a new one...
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13:06:26	pixelma	I wonder why there are a few clients now that have "0" in the average speed column
13:06:47	jaykay	and i got this here a few minutes ago:
13:06:49	jaykay	2009-08-09 13:03:09 Starting build h10
13:06:51	jaykay	2009-08-09 13:03:20 Starting build h100
13:06:52	jaykay	what does this mean?
13:06:59	jaykay	pixelma: where is the speed column?
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13:08:12	pixelma	from the build table klick the number of clients which is a link to the client stats
13:08:26	pixelma	or click
13:10:56	jaykay	the nuber which is the link also isn't the same number in the actual log (number of clients)
13:11:23	jaykay	even (participated clients)-(0-point-clients) doesnt fit
13:11:35	pixelma	I also wonder why the build time increased again, wasn't it below 300s quite ragularly a few days ago?
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13:12:11	pixelma	regularly too
13:14:10	jaykay	the number of clients decreased
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13:19:16	pixelma	ah hmm... roolku's clients shouldn't have such a high number in average speed because they don't take part (still need the restart) and in the build stats of the builds in the second half of the table it looks more correctly. Looks like something is confused...
13:21:03	pixelma	seems to have been broken in r22212-22214, yesterday evening
13:22:09	pixelma	err... 22213, not 14
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13:39:58	kugel	pyro_maniac: pong
13:41:02	pyro_maniac	kugel: how did you find the right channel for the battery
13:41:41	kugel	low_light told me
13:42:49	pyro_maniac	i tested 0 1 2 and 3 but on 0 and 1 the battery is alwas 100% and on 2 and 3 i always get a low battery warning
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13:46:00	kugel	pyro_maniac: did you change battery_adc_voltage() also?
13:46:23	pyro_maniac	jupp
13:46:54	kugel	well, I don't know then
13:47:11	kugel	maybe you didn't try hard enoug
13:47:41	pyro_maniac	i will make some more test later
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16:08:40	bertrik	yay, reading the NAND id works on my yp-s3
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16:22:06	linuxstb	bertrik: NAND progress?
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16:30:02	bertrik	linuxstb, only very little, I am able to query the NAND chip for its ID now, and the returned value matches the expected value
16:31:52	bertrik	but at least that means I got the flash pins and flash controller correctly configured
16:32:16	tmzt	mux pins?
16:32:54	bertrik	I can read the NAND using a windows samsung tool, so I can use that information to reverse engineer the FTL layer
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16:41:16	bertrik	the naming of the nand functions and files is a bit weird, e.g. the "ata"-prefix
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16:43:09	gevaerts	ata-prefix?
16:46:26	bertrik	the file is called ata-nand-s5l8700.c
16:47:09	bertrik	I'll put the lowlevel NAND stuff in a separate file I think
16:47:20	gevaerts	indeed. I didn't change the filenames
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17:25:25	kkurbjun	JdGordon: I think your commit at r22135 was using an older version of the wps_parser which wiped out mcuelenaere's changes in r22068
17:25:41	kkurbjun	I don't know if that was intentional though
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17:26:37	kkurbjun	I was having trouble tracing when the progressbar and volume tags worked because of the file move and edits with an older checkout
17:28:59	kugel	looks like it
17:31:08	kkurbjun	kugel: looks like it was intentional, or that he just didn't do an up before the commit?
17:32:11	kugel	I really doubt it was intentional
17:32:17	kkurbjun	oh, gotcha
17:33:26	kkurbjun	we were talking about it offline, and were discussing making the actions a bit more generic, like a scroll region or something similar rather than hardcoding nearly the same functionality for the progress bar and volume, but nothing came of it
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17:43:03	kugel	kkurbjun: oh, I didn't know that, but I still think it was an accident
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17:52:00	bertrik	Unhelpful, can you have a look at read_image.c?
17:52:24	bertrik	function read_image_file_offset contains a bug, but is never used anyway, can we remove it?
17:53:02	bertrik	see also FS #10496
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18:12:40	CIA-6	New commit by bertrik (r22221): Samsung YP-S3: add beginning of a low-level NAND driver and update bootloader demo program to display the NAND ids.
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18:16:59	CIA-6	New commit by kugel (r22222): Factor out WPS' %V parsing function into viewport.c, in preperation of customlist. No functional change.
18:17:04	kugel	22222! yea :D
18:17:39	bertrik	you were waiting for it, weren't you?
18:17:50	kugel	a bit :)
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18:27:44	jaykay	kugel: maybe a noobish question... why are there red file size deltas? i thought you just moved some code
18:32:39	bluebrother	Bagder: is there a reason the samsung players use yh??? as build output basename but yh_??? as model string? rbutil wants them to be identical.
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18:41:15	jaykay	oh, yes... somehow i didn't notice that
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18:50:49	funman	kugel: i suggest we should lock the thread for e200v2/fuze official test builds until we make some progress?
18:51:02	kugel	why?
18:51:40	funman	last posts seem like crap
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18:52:27	funman	and support questions (i don't see .rockbox when using mtp)
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18:58:02	bertrik	hm yes that thread degenerated a bit... the early posts generally contained some new info. And it's now already 75 pages long.
18:58:27	funman	i think the "lock/unlock" button can prevent new posts, and we can revert that in the future
18:58:44	funman	before locking we could explain why the pool is closed
18:58:47	funman	thread is closed*
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19:01:03	kugel	bertrik: he meant the thread
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19:03:45	kugel	i dont think it should be closed+
19:06:39	funman	kugel: do you expect useful information to be posted there?
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19:10:17	kugel	what's the reason for closing?
19:10:54	kugel	I just don't think we should stop testing
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19:13:00	JdGordon	kkurbjun: wierd, yeah it was an accident... svn should have complained
19:15:36	funman	kugel: no valuable information will come out from this thread until someone works on the issues
19:15:59	kugel	how can you know/predict that?
19:16:43	kugel	closing will definitely give 0 information, not closing might give us some
19:16:51	funman	judging how the quality of posts decreased
19:17:17	funman	right but you'd have to parse the whole junk posts to spot something
19:17:37	kugel	I have no problem with that
19:17:39	funman	and i think closing after a conclusion post would just indicate nobody is working on the µSD issues
19:18:35	kugel	I fail to see how this thread is problematic
19:19:00	funman	like i said, quality of posts decrease and is narrowing 0
19:19:16	kugel	how's that a dramatic problem?
19:19:38	kugel	or is it just you getting lazy?
19:19:59	kugel	I don't want to cancel testing "just because"
19:20:08	funman	i surely never wanted to browse support requests posts
19:20:40	funman	now that it is clear we have µSD code broken, there is no point into testing it again until the code changes
19:21:03	kugel	it's not so clear to me
19:21:15	tmzt	what happened?
19:21:26	kugel	it's still that the code works for like 99.9% per cent
19:21:27	tmzt	someting like git bisect would be useful maybe
19:21:43	tmzt	I need to see if I can find Fuze and try a new build
19:21:45	funman	kugel: the problem seems to be reproducable on specific cards
19:22:02	funman	tmzt: no, i don't think it's a bug we introduced after some time
19:22:06	kugel	I couldn't reproduce anything on a class 6 transcent card
19:22:14	funman	i have such a card here
19:22:29	funman	it's "transcnend microsdhc (6) 4gb"
19:22:29	kugel	ah it arrived now?
19:22:40	funman	yes i got it from ku-ku on the forum
19:23:02	funman	my "kingston 2gb microsd" works fine
19:23:18	kugel	and you can't use the card to look at the issue?
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19:23:57	funman	i can see that something is wrong, i can't tell what
19:24:18	funman	the first step would be to run the card clock line at a correct frequency (25MHz)
19:25:04	kugel	I thought the highspeed cards need 50MHz`
19:25:05	kugel	?
19:25:15	kugel	(class 6 is highspeed)
19:25:46	funman	right
19:26:10	funman	25MHz or 50MHz, but i couldn't read the card class on my 2GB
19:26:30	truthtaco_	my 8 gig sd works fine on the fuze
19:26:33	funman	i think it's acmd13? and you read the 512 bytes status register on the data line (with DMA transfer)
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19:30:08	CIA-6	New commit by jdgordon (r22223): r22135 overwrote mcuelenaere's changes in r22068 to add slider-type regions for the touchscreen... so bring them back (spotted by kkurbjun)
19:30:48	kugel	didn't we want to have real names in commit messages?
19:31:06	funman	my attempts to change µSD clock all resulted into impossibility to use the card
19:31:08	pixelma	JdGordon: will you hand kugel some points?
19:31:13	funman	kugel: not that i know
19:31:31	JdGordon	points for what?
19:31:51	pixelma	the red that he didn't fix yet
19:33:43	JdGordon	naughty naughty!
19:35:26	kugel	I think we do
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19:40:19	kugel	the delta is quite surprising indeed
19:40:40	FlynDice	funman: I have found a bug for non-hc cards in the sd driver. In the SD_SET_BLOCKLEN command it uses card_info[drive].speed which is set to 512 and the command should use an arg of 9 (2^9==512) I believe. It would only matter for non-hc cards though.
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19:46:25	kugel	meh
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19:47:22	Zagor	this is why we have the build system, after all
19:47:40	kugel	yea, and I love it :)
19:47:53	JdGordon	so do the power compaines :p
19:48:12	Zagor	hehe
19:48:14	kugel	Zagor: what was the cause for the huge numbers on the stats page?
19:48:40	Zagor	kugel: a mistake. they were/are the average upload speeds.
19:48:54	Zagor	obviously not intended to be displayed there :)
19:49:24	Zagor	I need to take upload speed into account for best-fit
19:50:24	funman	FlynDice: i read that cmd16 always takes the block size, not the exponent to 2 which equals that block size
19:51:18	funman	(and it is set to card_info[drive].blocksize, not .speed ! :) )
19:51:29	kugel	that were huge upload speeds then
19:52:12	Zagor	they range from 20 KB/s up to ~600.
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19:53:08	kugel	I don't think best-fit will change much, but I'm open for a surprise :)
19:53:19	funman	FlynDice: default block length is set to 512 bytes, so we might not need this command at all
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19:54:16	Zagor	kugel: it will. I ran some live rounds last night, and the builds that now run for ~320 seconds complete in ~230 seconds with best-fit
19:55:02	kugel	that would be significant
19:56:16	Zagor	roolkus unrestarted clients provide too much "noise" for it to work optimally right now though
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19:59:03	FlynDice	funman: yes I see you're right on that, sorry for the static, I thought i found somewhere where where this was used the wrong way let me go look again. The spec does say that the default is 512 though so maybe we could skip it
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20:02:39	bluebrother	Zagor: is there a reason the download zips for the samsung YHxxx is yhxxx while the model is yh_xxx?
20:03:33	Zagor	where is yh_xxx used?
20:03:43	kugel	configure
20:04:02	bluebrother	maybe it should get changed in configure?
20:04:20	kugel	fine with me
20:04:34	Zagor	I think it should. they are they only models with underscore in them
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20:05:11	bluebrother	we need to clean up the naming in general, but this makes support for the samsung players in rbutil break the current approach :)
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20:05:48	Zagor	I can change the build names too. it's not a big issue.
20:06:51	Lear	If a plugin and a codec need to use the same code (a library, really, TLSF in this case, currently used by PDBox), any suggestions on where/how to do that?
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20:07:29	funman	put it in apps/tlsf and then link with ../tlsf/libtlsf.a ?
20:07:35	JdGordon	maybe look at mpegplayer?
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20:07:47	JdGordon	I'm not sure how it gets the audio codec from..
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20:08:25	Lear	That builds a "local" libmad, without COP support...
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20:09:34	bluebrother	I'm slightly in favour of removing the _
20:14:49	*	kugel can't really explain the delta
20:15:27	kugel	bluebrother: I'm too
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20:17:58	Zagor	kugel: just now: End of round 22225: Build round completed after 229 seconds.
20:18:35	kugel	wow
20:18:59	Zagor	and there are still a number of allocation optimizations to do
20:19:22	kugel	how complicated is best fit? doesn't it require many statistics about the clients?
20:20:20	Zagor	I use the average build and upload speed of the last 25 builds each client has made
20:21:00	Zagor	with as many clients as we have now (= few builds/client/round) 25 builds is probably a bit much though
20:22:09	Zagor	it is a little more complicated, but not terribly so. I found a nice shortcut that gives "pretty good" results.
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20:24:00	CIA-6	New commit by zagor (r22226): Added average upload speed
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20:24:40	Zagor	bluebrother: I have created a read-only guest account to the database if anyone wants to do some graphs
20:25:32	bluebrother	doesn't that sound like something for rasher? ;-)
20:25:57	Zagor	it sure does :-)
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20:29:39	gevaerts	graphs? Where?
20:30:03	Zagor	gevaerts: whereever you put them!
20:30:42	gevaerts	Zagor: is that guest account documented somewhere?
20:30:49	Zagor	no :)
20:31:15	gevaerts	ah, security by not telling people :)
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20:32:51	Zagor	gevaerts: mysql server: buildmaster.rockbox.org username: rockbox password: FVUKynGTzzEad3Nq
20:34:40	Zagor	the database is "rockbox" and the builds table is "builds"
20:35:00	gevaerts	I can't connect apparently
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20:35:49	Zagor	ehe, the server only listens to localhost. hang on...
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20:36:48	FlynDice	funman: Will opendrain vs pushpull on the sd card bus help us? I notice the linux driver goes to pushpull after send_relative_addr but my card runs fine either way. The pl180 docs make it sound like an mmc thing though.
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20:38:11	Zagor	gevaerts: try now
20:39:19	gevaerts	Zagor: it works now, thanks! I'll have a serious look later on
20:41:25	FlynDice	funman: I have been able to use the switch command for HS timings and my card works fine, I am unsuccessful each time I try to put the pl180 into widebus though. The cards take the SD_SET_BUS_WIDTH command just fine but if I use widebus on the controller neither will work
20:42:43	funman	FlynDice: what is pushpull/opendrain in SD ?
20:42:59	funman	and what is the switch command?
20:44:52	CIA-6	New commit by kugel (r22227): Don't set the drawmode twice and simplify two cases in viewport_parse_viewport.
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20:46:12	FlynDice	pushpull and open drain are bus modes. As far as I can tell the difference is in pushpull the high/low are actively driven both high and low and in open drain the voltage is driven high but just allowed to fall low, probably a crummy explanation
20:49:48	FlynDice	the switch command is cmd 6 the same as for bank switching but with a different arg, SD_SWITCH_FUNC, 0x80fffff1 instead of 0x80ffffef
20:50:07	FlynDice	for HS timings
20:51:54	FlynDice	I don't know if the opendrain/pushpull applies to SD though as the pl180 docs seem to imply it is an mmc thing but the linux driver switched to pushpull for SD
20:52:11	kugel	ah
20:52:18	kugel	that configure patch looks fine
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20:55:40	Zagor	sorry for the build result delay. I'm doing it with the bestfit server, and naturally found a bug...
20:58:00	funman	FlynDice: did your card not work without using HS timings?
20:58:52	FlynDice	funman: works fine either way as far as HS goes
20:59:15	funman	do you have the patch handy? i could try it on my card
20:59:42	bluebrother	if nobody objects I'm going to remove the _ in yh_xxx in a minute or so
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21:02:26	CIA-6	New commit by kugel (r22228): Accept FS #9400 - "tools/configure more improvements" by Rosso Maltese. ...
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21:07:34	EpicReviews	does rockbox support the v2 sansa's yet?
21:08:21	bluebrother	no, not officially. All officially supported targets are listed on the front page
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21:08:52	EpicReviews	I also found another MP3 player you might find interesting to develop rockbox for
21:09:08	EpicReviews	http://www.biglots.com/Specials/item.aspx?cid=15&scid=49&iid=6477
21:09:16	EpicReviews	A $50 touch screen
21:09:17	FlynDice_	funman: http://pastie.org/577683
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21:13:35	EpicReviews	anyway, that was just my two cents, thought rockbox could be cool on a touchscreen, and hope I can get it on my v2 sansa soon :)
21:14:42	FlynDice	funman: Sorry, that patch is a mess but the switch command for HS is in there.
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21:15:11	CIA-6	New commit by bluebrother (r22229): Remove underscore from YH modelnames as discussed on IRC.
21:15:24	bluebrother	now let's see how much I broke ...
21:15:34	EpicReviews	So someone said Sansa v2 isn't offically supported yet... does that mean it's unofficially supported?
21:15:57	bluebrother	it's being worked on.
21:18:12	gevaerts	EpicReviews: supported means that we consider something that should work but doesn't to be a bug, and that we provide installation support. Not supported means that you're on your own (although we do provide some sort of documentation on the wiki), and that if something doesn't work you don't get to complain
21:18:39	gevaerts	There's no such thing as unofficially supported, because that would be meaningless
21:18:53	TruthTaco	lol
21:20:27	EpicReviews	What is so different between v1 and v2 of the sansa?
21:20:39	dz	everything.
21:20:42	linuxstb	Everything - it's a completely new hardware design.
21:20:59	kugel	bluebrother: red!! :P
21:21:28	*	bluebrother expected that
21:21:31	TruthTaco	does the v2 have better performance?
21:21:44	Zagor	bluebrother: heh, that was just half a commit :)
21:22:21	pixelma_	maybe I missed something due to the bad connection but it looks like the delta table isn't updated anymore - known?
21:22:41	linuxstb	TruthTaco: It has a faster CPU (but I can't recall how fast), but less RAM. So for some things it's better, for others, worse.
21:22:43	Zagor	pixelma_: indeed. I'll look at it.
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21:23:20	Zagor	bluebrother: will you change the builds file, or should I?
21:24:01	bluebrother	I'm already at it
21:24:21	Zagor	good
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21:25:25	*	domonoky1 still needs some perl hero to fix genlang.cgi for release voice files ...
21:25:38	pixelma_	and jaykay also noticed that the number of clients in the build table (the link to the stats doesn't match the number in the stats)... or wait, now I guess that the link one is the number of clients that actually delivered something and the other the number of registered clients, correct?
21:25:41	CIA-6	New commit by bluebrother (r22230): Change model name in all places, not only a few (fix red).
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21:27:52	Zagor	whaa, zips are not uploaded! how did I manage that?
21:28:25	pixelma_	heh
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21:32:11	pixelma_	somehow funny that the delta table helped discovering that :)
21:32:51	bluebrother	Zagor: is the build system not updating because I changed only a file in www?
21:33:26	Zagor	bluebrother: yes. only changes in /trunk triggers rebuild
21:37:56	Zagor	bah. "# no zips during testing"
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21:38:38	CIA-6	New commit by bluebrother (r22231): Add (untested) support for Samsung YH-820, YH-920 and YH-925. Based on FS #10373 with adjustments to match the recent changes.
21:40:30	kugel	bluebrother: if you can get me a rbutil build for linux then I can do a quick test
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21:41:38	kugel	obviously I can only test installation of the main build since we don't have put up bootloaders yet
21:42:28	funman	there is at least 2 different USB pid for yh920, can rbutil handle that?
21:42:30	kugel	I'm really curious why the yh920 accepts PP5020.mi4 as filename and my yh925 doesnt
21:42:50	kugel	that is also weird
21:42:56	funman	kugel: what is the original filename ?
21:43:10	kugel	see diff of r22231
21:43:59	bluebrother	funny to see the red disappear instead of a new line appearing.
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21:44:26	*	bluebrother spots that he could have done the YH support simpler. D'oh!
21:44:31	Zagor	bluebrother: yeah, I ran it again for test, which used the new builds file. not the best idea...
21:45:11	funman	tools/configure doesn't output fw_yh920.mi4 so why use this filename ?
21:45:33	bluebrother	Zagor: well, at least I know now that there's no red left :)
21:45:49	kugel	funman: look at bootoutput
21:46:54	funman	kugel: that's what I say, it's not "fw_yh920.mi4"
21:47:18	kugel	oh I looked at yh925
21:48:47	funman	see this post http://forums.rockbox.org/index.php?topic=6135.msg148143#msg148143
21:49:52	kugel	so FW_YH920.mi4 doesn't actually work?
21:50:17	funman	i can't read C++, are those filenames checked until one exists ?
21:50:36	funman	rbutilqt.cpp line 659
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21:56:24	pyro_maniac	bluebrother: didn't you say rbutil can't handle two OF files?
21:56:49	bluebrother	pyro_maniac: I added support earlier today
21:56:59	bluebrother	so yes, back when I said that it was correct.
21:57:35	bluebrother	check r22220
21:58:08	pyro_maniac	ah i missed that.
21:59:13	scorche	to reiterate what i said last night in -gsoc in case anyone missed it, august 17th is the pencils down date for GSoC projects...mentors, be sure you are looking over your projects again and perhaps nudging the students to do some last-minute clean up things for submitting to google and/or working on specific bits...also think about what they have achieved during the entire period, etc
21:59:21	funman	pyro_maniac: so fw_yh920.mi4 works on your yh920? reading the post it seems fw_yh920.BIN is not, but no mention of .mi4
21:59:54	pyro_maniac	i will try
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22:03:04	pyro_maniac	no
22:03:29	pyro_maniac	the bootloader is looking for PP5020.mi4/bin
22:03:49	funman	so where does this erroneous entry come from?
22:04:46	pyro_maniac	which one?
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22:06:13	kkurbjun	jdgordon, I think the changes to, what's now wps.c are still missing from r22068
22:06:13	pyro_maniac	the bootloader of the napster devices is looking for PP5020 and the yepp branded devices is looking for FW_YH920
22:07:02	JdGordon\|	ok, serves me right for doing the fix when I just woke up... i'll do it tonight if im not beaten
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22:15:38	Jader	I experienced a bug already in the tracker, but I don't have any additional info regarding the problem. should I add a comment anyway?
22:17:48	kugel	Jader: which bug? But yea, confirming bugs is generally a good thing
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22:20:49	Jader	FS #9568
22:21:17	kugel	Zagor: is the last build a best-fit one?
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22:22:23	kugel	94% efficiency seems awesome, although it might be caused by the negative numbers
22:22:32	linuxstb	Jader: You have the bug with the file attached to that task, or a different file?
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22:27:38	Jader	linuxstb: are you referring to the dump files attached later to the task?
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22:29:13	linuxstb	Jader: Oops, I was referring to 9658 - ignore me ;)
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22:59:31	Unhelpful	bertrik: it was intended for reading image data embedded in another file, or prepended with some sort of custom header or such... i probably meant it as a support function for reading embedded album art, a feature that nobody's gotten around to anyway.
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23:00:06	Unhelpful	i think it's quite safe to remove, the embedded AA case is the only use i can think of, and it doesn't suffice for that - we'd also need input mangling. :/
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23:14:34	bertrik	Unhelpful, ok, I'll remove it tomorrow then
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23:16:51	Unhelpful	if somebody wants to do embedded AA, i'm not going to stop them, but... there's rather a lot of icky there. probably the best solution is to pass a read function and an opaque argument value to the image reader, with the reader using system read() and an fd if no such are provided.
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23:18:50	Unhelpful	and yes, i've given rather a lot of thought to how to implement a feature that i don't want to work on and think is a bad idea.
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23:34:04	bluebrother	hmm. What's the difference between MTP and UMS bootloaders for H10?
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23:37:26	gevaerts	bluebrother: http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/IriverH10PortDevInfo#Build_a_Rockbox_Bootloader
23:39:24	bluebrother	hmm, so the difference is simply to run scramble on the mi4 file to get the MTP bootloader?
23:43:03	gevaerts	I think so
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