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| 00:00:46 | martian67 | DarkSpectrum, toor? |
| 00:01:03 | DarkSpectrum | nope |
| 00:01:09 | JdGordon| | isnt it in the wiki page? |
| 00:01:13 | DarkSpectrum | nope |
| 00:01:17 | JdGordon| | root:rockbox |
| 00:01:19 | DarkSpectrum | only has the user login |
| 00:01:23 | JdGordon| | user:rockbox |
| 00:01:26 | bluebrother | DarkSpectrum: check the wiki, IIRC it's documented somewhere there. |
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| 00:01:32 | DarkSpectrum | got it |
| 00:01:34 | DarkSpectrum | thanks |
| 00:01:43 | JdGordon| | add it to the wiki |
| 00:01:45 | JdGordon| | which was it? |
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| 00:59:27 | Unhelpful | gevaerts: if it's 2D, are there going to be "corner" covers, or just covers extending up and down from center as well as to each side? |
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| 01:00:21 | gevaerts | I'd just use a cross |
| 01:00:39 | Unhelpful | i go to album *fairly* often, because when i'm out with my family that's a faster way to find something that i can actually listen to with my daughter |
| 01:01:47 | Unhelpful | ok... a cross with the up/down items displayed flat is fairly easy to draw. with the up/down items tilted will require some new drawing code. with corner covers that are tilted around both x and y axes i don't want to touch (and it will be slow on archos then ;) |
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| 01:03:49 | Unhelpful | i have no idea how i would actually organize the data in that case, either... i suppose keeping the same all-albums list adding an artist list with a pointer to the first album per artist would do |
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| 01:04:52 | Unhelpful | also, nobody but you has "artist art"... and you have that as your album covers :P |
| 01:06:25 | gevaerts | well, maybe there's another way, but I really think that a single linear list of all albums must be about the worst possible way to organise your music |
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| 01:07:36 | Unhelpful | gevaerts: it's pretty, though ;) |
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| 01:11:00 | Unhelpful | letting the accel go faster doesn't, by itself, strike me as a great idea, since at top speed the animation gets down to about one frame per cover. i think that switching to letters when you hit the accel cap might be nifty... |
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| 02:49:14 | kugel | Unhelpful: any plans on committing the lcd driver work? |
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| 02:49:59 | Unhelpful | kugel: markun had remembered objections being raised to the merge at some point... i was thinking i ought to take a call on the mail list for comment before merge. |
| 02:50:17 | kugel | what objection? |
| 02:50:29 | Unhelpful | he didn't remember that part :) |
| 02:50:35 | kugel | huh |
| 02:50:53 | kugel | that's not a valid objection then |
| 02:50:57 | kugel | I can't really imagine any |
| 02:52:45 | Unhelpful | coding style comes to mind, or binsize - a choice has to be made between accepting positive deltas on some targets or having C-code includes. |
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| 02:53:24 | Unhelpful | i personally think that the latter are OK pretty much any time that they provide benefits - in this case reduced duplication without a binsize hit. |
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| 03:01:25 | kugel | Unhelpful: what are you talking about? |
| 03:01:32 | kugel | where do you want to include c code? |
| 03:01:40 | Unhelpful | kugel: look at the patch? :P |
| 03:02:25 | Unhelpful | it replaces the bulk of the LCD bitmap text code in each lcd driver with #include <lcd-bitmap-common.c> |
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| 03:02:48 | kugel | Unhelpful: uh, I didn't see that yet |
| 03:02:52 | kugel | why is that? |
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| 03:03:35 | Unhelpful | if the functions live in a different file some targets take a binsize and speed hit due to long calls - almost all of the ARM7, and i don't *know* how it works on coldfire but binsize was larger there without the include. |
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| 03:04:25 | kugel | I think you're a bit too obsessed with that long calls |
| 03:04:52 | kugel | I don't like this including either |
| 03:04:53 | Unhelpful | and i think that this shouldn't cost speed or size if it doesn't have to. :) |
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| 03:05:14 | Unhelpful | all of the LCD remote drivers work this way already, btw. :) |
| 03:05:50 | Unhelpful | it's not *just* that, either. without the include some static variables have to be non-static, which leads to them needing renames to avoid name clashes. |
| 03:06:34 | kugel | which? the default viewport? |
| 03:06:42 | Unhelpful | no, the current viewport. |
| 03:08:27 | Unhelpful | on targets with a remote, making this non-static is a minor problem as they have the same name. either the current viewport needs a different name per display, or only the main-LCD current VP can be declared non-static. i don't like conditional qualifiers *much* better than a C-file include. |
| 03:08:29 | kugel | I'm not really convinced of that including, but this stuff is still better than the massive duplication we have now |
| 03:10:21 | kugel | bringing it up on the is an awesome idea :> |
| 03:10:32 | Unhelpful | ML? :) |
| 03:11:04 | kugel | yea |
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| 03:17:52 | kugel | Unhelpful: I don't think the name clash is much of a problem |
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| 03:18:46 | Unhelpful | well, adding prefixes is a rather invasive change that i'd like to stay away from |
| 03:20:06 | kugel | it's a search&replace job, much less controversial |
| 03:20:15 | Unhelpful | a conditional static qualifier is a better change - i'm *assuming* that the existence of a non-static current_vp will not override the static one in the LCD remote driver at link time? |
| 03:21:22 | kugel | and most of the time "current_vp" can be a #define to main_current_vp or remote_current_vp |
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| 03:22:46 | Unhelpful | i also don't like the idea of this costing binsize on some targets. on top of that, there would *still* be a C-file include from lcd-remote-bitmap-common.c ;) |
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| 04:09:12 | brenosabino | hey guys, has anyone got playback working on c200v2? |
| 04:09:32 | saratoga | i think the wiki says it works |
| 04:10:00 | brenosabino | its not working for me in the latest build |
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| 04:12:29 | saratoga | try running a build thats reported to work and see if it works for you |
| 04:12:40 | saratoga | then you'll know if its something wrong with your end or the current build |
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| 04:16:38 | brenosabino | i dont know which build was working. in the latest releases they fixed something for low ram devices like mine but it didn't help. |
| 04:18:48 | saratoga | I commited that, and it doesn't fix anything, it just disables a feature which doesn't work on those targets |
| 04:20:20 | brenosabino | btw on the latest release when i compiled it didnt had fm radio or any plugin anymore in the build |
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| 04:21:28 | Adam-g1 | hey all, I need some help with rockbox on my cowon d2 >.> anybody help me please? |
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| 04:22:12 | saratoga | ask a question |
| 04:23:00 | * | JdGordon would just about kill for multifont about now... |
| 04:23:18 | Adam-g1 | well.. it seems to work pretty nicely, but when I try to play my mp3's, I can't seem to find my memory card in the file browser |
| 04:23:40 | Adam-g1 | does it not support memory cards yet? |
| 04:24:46 | Adam-g1 | I can seem to only access the memory that's on the D2 :/ |
| 04:26:47 | Adam-g1 | -_- |
| 04:29:13 | CIA-6 | New commit by kkurbjun (r22262): M:Robe 500: Make endpoint requests more flexible. |
| 04:29:23 | brenosabino | Is there any chance that flac playback works someday on c200v2? |
| 04:29:54 | brenosabino | I could play my flacs at my nokia phone but it has a damn hiss problem at the 2.5mm port. |
| 04:29:57 | JdGordon | no reason why not... assuming that is a target we are working on |
| 04:30:06 | saratoga | it'll probably be fixed eventually since its so similar to the clip |
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| 04:34:10 | CIA-6 | New commit by kkurbjun (r22263): M:Robe 500: Put the irq stack and fiq stack in iram. Reduce memory for fiq stack since it is currently unused. |
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| 05:05:13 | brenosabino | ill try build 21693 at my c240v2 now. seems to be the last working build on the clipv1 according to anythingbutipod forums |
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| 05:14:12 | brenosabino | can i patch the firmware with old bootloader using the newest mkamsboot? Or do I need to compile the old version too? |
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| 05:20:46 | brenosabino | . |
| 05:23:00 | brenosabino | ffffffffuu.... |
| 05:23:20 | brenosabino | still just plays a few seconds even with a very low bitrate (32bkps) mp3 |
| 05:24:13 | brenosabino | time to go to bed. |
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| 05:52:43 | Necos | is there anyone using the japanese language pack around? |
| 05:55:24 | Necos | just trying to figure out why some characters showed up under the japanese sansa firmware and not the rockbox lang pack |
| 05:56:12 | JdGordon | missing glyphs in the fonr |
| 05:56:14 | JdGordon | fopnt |
| 05:56:16 | JdGordon | font |
| 05:56:42 | Necos | according to the svn notes, there are no glyphs missing... just an oversight? |
| 05:57:16 | saratoga | which font is this? |
| 05:57:17 | JdGordon | it could be |
| 05:57:26 | Necos | 16-gnu |
| 05:58:44 | Necos | 16-GNU-Unifont |
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| 05:58:59 | saratoga | that should support everything in unicode |
| 05:59:18 | saratoga | are your tags originally in unicode? |
| 05:59:35 | Necos | that's what i thought... i could be wrong |
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| 06:01:20 | Necos | 浜崎ã‚ゆ㿠<−−−− doubt this shows up properly |
| 06:02:32 | Necos | i thought they were all in UTF-8... i might have screwed something up nonetheless... |
| 06:02:47 | Necos | audacious and winamp both pick up the fonts, however... |
| 06:03:25 | Necos | although i have the auto-detection in audacious set for japanese |
| 06:03:44 | DarkSpectrum | thats awsome, didn't even know i was using a unicode font |
| 06:04:37 | Necos | did it show up properly? |
| 06:04:58 | DarkSpectrum | for me it did |
| 06:05:11 | Necos | it didn't even show up for me in urxvt lol |
| 06:05:25 | DarkSpectrum | anyway, on topic, is my build client still showing warnings? |
| 06:07:28 | DarkSpectrum | i see the 15 warnings on build 22260, but i want to verify my last build was submitted without warnings |
| 06:07:49 | Necos | what build client? |
| 06:08:59 | DarkSpectrum | SaturnCore-DarkSpectrum |
| 06:09:27 | saratoga | I don't see any errors on the build table |
| 06:09:47 | DarkSpectrum | trying to see if mine even submitted anything |
| 06:09:58 | saratoga | the logs say you did a few builds |
| 06:10:42 | DarkSpectrum | is there an easy way i can search the log to see what i've done? |
| 06:10:51 | Necos | i'll have to double-check my fonts and make sure they're in utf-8... i'll bbl |
| 06:11:41 | saratoga | theres a link next to each build in the table showing who built what |
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| 06:13:24 | DarkSpectrum | yeah but there has to be a faster way then hovering over each one to see who did it |
| 06:14:12 | saratoga | theres a link listing each build that you can search, its on the left hand side next to each build round |
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| 06:14:55 | DarkSpectrum | ty |
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| 07:58:35 | amiconn | Unhelpful: Some lcd drivers use C code includes already (the ones where the same pixel format exists for main and remote displays) |
| 07:59:23 | amiconn | Including a .c isn't really nice, but okay to avoid duplication. Just never ever put such (non-inline) stuff in a .h |
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| 08:01:53 | Unhelpful | amiconn: that was my feeling, including a .c when there's a reason is not really that awful. and i mentioned the remote LCD includes to kugel as well. :) |
| 08:02:11 | amiconn | Unhelpful: Btw, what happened to the long-call veneer stuff? |
| 08:02:51 | Unhelpful | i was never able to produce a decently concise source and linker script to trigger the offset problem :/ |
| 08:03:39 | tmzt | an .xpm is a c file, and it's designed to be included |
| 08:03:43 | tmzt | (just an example) |
| 08:05:01 | Unhelpful | amiconn: markun had said he thought he remembered you having concerns about unifying LCD code - i *assume* that would be one of the earlier FS #4817 patches. he couldn't remember *what* the problem had been, though, and it's surely possible that it wasn't even you :) |
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| 08:14:38 | amiconn | If current_vp needs to be non-static, you could use the very same mechanism as the combined main+remote lcd drivers (using LCDFN() to prepend either lcd_ or lcd_remote_). The include solution wouldn't need that, of course, as it can stay static |
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| 08:18:38 | Unhelpful | another reason that i favor the include way, but mostly i don't like the idea of this costing a binsize increase on some targets |
| 08:18:38 | amiconn | Regarding the concerns I'm not sure whether it was me. If it was, it was a long time ago. Need to dig in the logs |
| 08:21:14 | Unhelpful | i tried google, but only found people asking if the task was old and needed closing, and linusn suggesting at one point that it should wait until after VP merge... that's already getting a bit ancient-history ;) |
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| 10:42:52 | pamaury | hello, I tried to build a simulator version of rockbox following the wiki instructions and it fails at the "make fullinstall" step: "Installing a full setup in your '' dir" "ERROR: No PREFIX given" |
| 10:43:02 | pamaury | Can someone explain me why ? |
| 10:52:14 | gammy | pamaury: Presumably because no [installation] prefix was given. Iknow nothing of this simulator business, but that's my assumption. Perhaps you could rectify this by specifying "−−prefix=<prefix>" during the configure. |
| 10:53:34 | gammy | pamaury: you could also check the Makefile to see what PREFIX relates too. Perhaps you can set an environment variable for it, eg "mkdir dir; PREFIX=./dir/ make fullinstall" |
| 10:53:42 | gammy | "relates _to_" even |
| 10:54:12 | pamaury | that's what I was trying to do but it doesn't work if I do only for make fullinstall so I'm trying it with configure. Wait and see :) |
| 10:54:47 | pamaury | It works ! |
| 10:54:56 | gammy | Win. |
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| 12:11:52 | funman | i got an answer from the marketing product manager at austriamicrosystems |
| 12:11:57 | funman | "I think the specification for our device (AS353x series) might not give you additional information about the chip you are searching for." |
| 12:14:07 | bertrik | what a totally useless answer.... |
| 12:15:24 | funman | perhaps he means the chip in sansa clipv2/fuzev2 is not an as353x? |
| 12:17:30 | bertrik | I have no idea. Well, it's nice at least to get an response at all. |
| 12:19:48 | pamaury | funman: I submit a patch on FS: the previous bugfix of logf contained a bug ! |
| 12:21:46 | hatseflats | is there by the way anyone thinking / working on alternative filesystems that can be used in rockbox? like ext or others? |
| 12:23:02 | hatseflats | a patent ridden ratsnest like fat would be nice to avoid completely |
| 12:23:53 | funman | hatseflats: rockbox isn't likely to be sued as it is nonprofit |
| 12:24:15 | funman | and the fat patent used against tomtom could be worked around in the linux kernel |
| 12:24:18 | pamaury | furthermore fat is really simple to implement and works flawlessly on windows and linux |
| 12:24:49 | funman | so, no there isn't anyone thinking on alternative filesystems, fat just is enough and other filesystems are not wanted |
| 12:24:50 | pamaury | which is not the case of ext2/ext3. Except if we have a working MTP implementation |
| 12:25:54 | funman | I have the austriamicrosystems guy's cellphone but international calls are expensive |
| 12:25:55 | hatseflats | flawlessly would be such that I don't have to hack my kernel so I don't get the wrong device total after formatting |
| 12:26:27 | funman | hatseflats: if you see a bug in rockbox fat driver, you can send a patch/bug report |
| 12:26:42 | pamaury | is there a bug in the fat driver ? |
| 12:26:45 | hatseflats | funman: sure, but I'm not quite decided on who's fault it is :) |
| 12:28:14 | linuxstb | hatseflats: There's resistence amongst Rockbox devs to the idea of supporting alternative filesystems - it's even on the "no-do" list. But personally I would use ext2/3 if Rockbox supported it... It just needs to be implemented in a very clean way, so targets short on RAM can easily disable it, and so it also doesn't add unneeded complexity (read: increase in code size) to the existing FAT driver. |
| 12:31:54 | funman | one way would be to have probing code and then load the needed filesystem code |
| 12:32:17 | funman | oh .. you can't load code from the storage if you don't have a filesystem driver yet |
| 12:32:51 | linuxstb | And what about the bootloader? |
| 12:33:24 | linuxstb | But I think that's a problem we don't need to solve until someone actually implements a new filesystem. Which to be honest I doubt anyone ever will... |
| 12:34:06 | bertrik | maybe a flash file system ... |
| 12:34:46 | funman | that also means losing compatibility with the OF at some point |
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| 12:34:55 | linuxstb | bertrik: You mean instead of FAT32 on top of a FTL? |
| 12:35:39 | linuxstb | funman: Yes, but anyone who wants to use an alternative FS would expect that. |
| 12:35:47 | linuxstb | (unless we're talking HFS+ on ipods) |
| 12:35:49 | bertrik | yes, just dreaming for now though |
| 12:36:43 | linuxstb | Won't that require support for the same filesystem on the user's PC? |
| 12:38:45 | Torne | linuxstb: MTP would be a better bet there. |
| 12:38:45 | bertrik | either that, or have MTP support in rockbox |
| 12:39:01 | Torne | It's all but impossible to do flash filesystems over USB |
| 12:39:13 | Torne | they're incompatible with standard block devices, and thus also with MSC |
| 12:39:46 | bertrik | Torne, ah right, didn't think o fthat |
| 12:39:47 | * | linuxstb wonders if enough devs are interested in using ext2 (or at least, are not against an implementation) to propose it as a Google SoC project next year... |
| 12:40:23 | Torne | bertrik: MTP would have to come first before a non-block-device FS :) |
| 12:40:24 | linuxstb | That would seem a step backwards though - one of the main features of Rockbox has always been plain MSC access. |
| 12:40:28 | bertrik | I see no practical advantage in ext2 |
| 12:41:12 | Torne | MSC is shit, though :L) |
| 12:41:29 | Torne | FAT as a transport protocol needs to be shuffled off this earth as soon as is possible :) |
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| 12:41:47 | Torne | though there are alternatives other than MTP as a replacement, admittedly |
| 12:41:58 | Torne | the object storage extensions to SCSI are quite delicious. :) |
| 12:43:12 | Torne | plain MSC support is only an advantage because most of the alternatives are poorly supported or just plain awful at present |
| 12:43:15 | Torne | this won't always be true |
| 12:47:39 | hatseflats | bertrik: a flash optimized fs is generally a bad idea (tm) nowadays because of hardware wearlevelling, so if it was implemented, it should be covered in red tape and exclemation points |
| 12:47:52 | hatseflats | so that people only use it if and when it's a good idea |
| 12:48:16 | funman | not all rockbox targets have hardware wearlevelling |
| 12:48:23 | linuxstb | hatseflats: Presumably it would only be enabled on targets where there is no hardware wear-levelling. Lots of our newer flash-based targets are like that. |
| 12:48:25 | hatseflats | not all, exactly. |
| 12:48:53 | bertrik | I expect more potential targets to use flash instead of sdcard or harddisk in the future |
| 12:48:58 | funman | sandisk use SD, probably because they don't have to pay royalties |
| 12:49:23 | hatseflats | imo it should be up to the user to use a fs, and rockbox should silently take it like a sm slave, but I'm having ifs and doubts with software wearlevelling fs's |
| 12:49:26 | hatseflats | o hwell |
| 12:49:28 | hatseflats | * oh well |
| 12:49:32 | Torne | hatseflats: er, why? |
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| 12:49:41 | bertrik | it's a non-problem IMO |
| 12:49:44 | Torne | If you have bare NAND flash as many devices do then you have to do it in software |
| 12:49:52 | hatseflats | aye |
| 12:50:02 | Torne | and doing it in the FS is *better* |
| 12:50:37 | Torne | at least in theory. you have more information. |
| 12:50:44 | Torne | specific implementations may or may not be better |
| 12:51:28 | bertrik | If we would have a flash file system, we would not have to force it on non-flash block-based devices too |
| 12:51:46 | Torne | Uhm, flash filesystems can't be used on block based devices |
| 12:51:51 | Torne | without emulation layers in between |
| 12:51:54 | Torne | the opposite of an FTL, almost :) |
| 12:51:56 | bertrik | We could just make it some kind of compile-time option, specific for each target |
| 12:52:03 | Torne | they are completely independant concepts |
| 12:52:40 | Torne | block device flash emulatoin is only used for stuff like testing flash filesystems on loopback devices :) |
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| 12:54:50 | Torne | hatseflats: i think you are misunderstanding how flash FSes work, anyway. real flash FSes *cannot be used* on block devices unless you insert an emulation layer. Anything with hardware wear levelling has a block device interface. |
| 12:55:21 | Torne | It's only possible to make such a mistake on an OS which has this kind of emulation support for testing, if you go and force the emulataion layer to get loaded and used (as people have been known to do with the mtdblock device in linux) |
| 12:56:29 | bertrik | Torne, file systems using simple block-devices have a very simple interface between them, essentially just read block X and write block X. Is there a similar interface between flash file systems and flash memories? |
| 12:56:48 | Torne | Yes, but it's much less simple |
| 12:57:08 | Torne | and it's not necessarily the same for all types of flash either |
| 12:58:17 | Torne | http://www.linux-mtd.infradead.org/tech/mtdnand/index.html <- this is the standard linux mtd nand interface |
| 12:58:29 | hatseflats | ah, directly speaking with the nand fs's |
| 12:58:35 | Torne | you'll notice that api has dozens of functoins |
| 12:58:35 | hatseflats | don't know them, you are right. |
| 12:58:42 | Torne | rather than the handful that a block device has |
| 12:59:26 | Torne | hatseflats: there's a difference between an FS that's aware it may be running on an SSD and knows how to tweak its access pattern/etc and maybe issue ATA TRIM and similar |
| 12:59:44 | Torne | and an FS like UBIFS or JFFS which is constructed entirely around erase blocks and linear write block ordering and so on |
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| 13:02:19 | tmzt | isn't there a standard ftl though? |
| 13:02:27 | tmzt | for these Samsung devices? |
| 13:02:28 | Torne | tmzt: there are loads and loads of standard FTLs |
| 13:02:36 | Torne | dozens, i would expect |
| 13:02:45 | Torne | most of them only work on specific kinds of flash |
| 13:03:15 | Torne | Samsung have several FTLs that they license for their flash parts |
| 13:03:18 | tmzt | okay, so those devices with that ftl support a block layer, but a raw mtd filesystem like ubifs or jffs or yaffs2 or (I think) logfs doesn't need the ftl |
| 13:03:32 | Torne | tmzt: an mtd filesystem can't even *use* the ftl. |
| 13:03:38 | Torne | it's not tha tit doens't need it, it literally can't work :) |
| 13:03:39 | tmzt | right |
| 13:04:27 | Torne | ubifs is also a special case as ubifs uses a *different* interface, ubi, to talk to the flash, which is a higher level interface than mtd but still distinct from a block devie |
| 13:04:52 | tmzt | unstructured/unordered block interface? |
| 13:05:06 | Torne | unordered, yes |
| 13:05:33 | Torne | UBI does wear levelling and bad block replacement, presenting an interface which is a series of unordered logical erase blocks |
| 13:05:38 | tmzt | what is this about? is rockbox considering adopting one of those? |
| 13:06:19 | tmzt | or is this about refactoring the ata stuff, since it won't support flash that doesn't resembled a disk device |
| 13:06:20 | Torne | people were suggesting that one day we could use a flash fs instead of implementing the OFW's FTL, perhaps. |
| 13:06:38 | Torne | on devices whose storage is raw flash |
| 13:06:51 | tmzt | but it would have to be able to share space with OF, or is this removing OF entirely? |
| 13:10:41 | Torne | That would be removing the OF entirely. |
| 13:10:53 | Torne | FTLs generally don't support flash partitioning. |
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| 13:18:55 | bertrik | it seems the Samsung FTL uses a NAND API with a few functions like init, probe, read, write, erase and sync |
| 13:24:48 | pamaury | I have a question about sprintf and friends: the current implementation relies on a more general function called "format" which is nice because its uses a function instead of a buffer to write. Wouldn't it make sense to make it available through a header rather than hiding it ? |
| 13:28:19 | Torne | bertrik: that's not sufficient for all possible situations; e.g. when there is hardware to calculate and check ECCs. |
| 13:28:48 | Torne | and it depends if you want to address the OOB data seperately or not, and so on |
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| 13:49:45 | pamaury | Torne: do you what HAVE_REMOTE_LCD stands for ? In logf there is a strange displayremote which looks similar to logfdisp but called every time logf is called |
| 13:49:59 | Torne | it means there is a remote with an LCD on it |
| 13:50:07 | Torne | logf prints to this LCD if it exists. |
| 13:50:27 | pamaury | ok |
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| 14:17:25 | fml | Hello. I have a weird problem with the H120 simulator. After setting all settings to their default values, if I clear the backdrop image, the screen of the main unit is drawed black. Only the icons are visible. Does anybody see this too? |
| 14:18:28 | fml | The remote is drawed correctly. I use it to again go to the settings and reset them (so that the backdrop image is set again) −− that "repairs" the main screen. |
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| 14:22:55 | kugel | fml: http://www.rockbox.org/tracker/task/10505 |
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| 15:02:18 | fml | kugel: Ok, I commented in that task. |
| 15:04:17 | CIA-6 | New commit by kugel (r22264): Fix FS #10505 - "Background changes to inverted when cleared" as well as a problem that lets the viewport parser reject correct WPSes, both introduced ... |
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| 15:10:05 | CIA-6 | New commit by gevaerts (r22265): blacklist jdgordon-qnap. It misses "nice" |
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| 15:14:53 | kugel | fml: the viewport_load_config is probably a left over from before the viewport'ified lists were committed (the patch contained costumizability) |
| 15:15:23 | kugel | NULL instead of VP_ERROR would work too |
| 15:15:28 | fml | kugel: I wonder why we don't get compiler warnings on this |
| 15:15:48 | kugel | it's just a declaration, that never throws warnings |
| 15:16:18 | fml | kugel: I'd say it the other way around: VP_ERROR works too (by a pure chance) |
| 15:16:47 | kugel | feel free to change it |
| 15:17:20 | kugel | my customlist patch uses VP_ERROR for other functions too, that's why it's there. |
| 15:17:35 | kugel | but I don't really care, NULL is technically more correct in this case |
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| 15:19:05 | fml | kugel: as of now, I'd say it's absolutely the same _technically_. But not semantically :-) Try to change the value of VP_ERROR and you'll see :-) I'll change soon. |
| 15:20:15 | kugel | fml: try to change NULL and you'll get the same :) |
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| 15:37:11 | CIA-6 | New commit by alle (r22266): Remove unneeded symbols and improve the comment to the VP parsing function |
| 15:44:54 | CIA-6 | New commit by alle (r22267): Change the function name in strnatsort so that the code doesn't contradict itself |
| 15:49:32 | CIA-6 | New commit by alle (r22268): Remove dead code |
| 15:51:03 | kugel | maybe I shouldn't have used #if 0, but #ifndef ROCKBOX ... |
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| 15:58:01 | fml | kugel: I thought about defining or not defining IGNORE_LEADING_SPACES but then decided against it. |
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| 16:38:29 | CIA-6 | New commit by kugel (r22269): Make kbd_input() show a cancel splash to indicate user abort better and for better consistency all over the place. Change checking for its return ... |
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| 16:50:34 | kugel | Why doesn't the "may be used initialized" warning come up in the sims? |
| 16:50:46 | * | fml spots a typo in rockboymenu.c (wrong result checking) |
| 16:51:01 | fml | rockboy/menu.c ^^ |
| 16:51:15 | CIA-6 | New commit by kugel (r22270): Both of this isn't needed anymore as it's done at the end of the function. |
| 16:51:19 | CIA-6 | New commit by kugel (r22271): Fix yellows. |
| 16:53:34 | CIA-6 | New commit by zagor (r22272): Jdgordon got nice |
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| 16:53:51 | JdGordon | hehe |
| 16:54:46 | kugel | fml: indeed |
| 16:55:12 | JdGordon | Zagor: I wont be reneabled untill the next commit? |
| 16:55:35 | JdGordon | oh, its in the middle of a round |
| 16:55:44 | Zagor | yup |
| 16:55:59 | kugel | you should be now, there's another round :) |
| 16:56:34 | Zagor | the block file is only loaded every 10 minutes |
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| 17:01:33 | kugel | I guess I was too early then |
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| 17:21:12 | gevaerts | Zagor: (logs) http://pastie.org/581409 |
| 17:21:45 | gevaerts | and http://pastie.org/581410 |
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| 17:46:19 | funman | FlynDice: i'll check if AMS OF uses widebus mode for SD cards |
| 17:47:01 | funman | obo: how's going view's work? |
| 17:50:15 | FlynDice | funman: I can get widebus to work for browsing files and loading album art but playback will not work for more than 3-4 secs, eerily similar to the spot we were in with the mmu before you found the CCU setting... |
| 17:50:43 | funman | what happens after those 3-4 seconds? |
| 17:51:12 | FlynDice | player is functional besides playback it seems |
| 17:51:58 | funman | anything useful in buffering thread debug menu perhaps? |
| 17:51:59 | FlynDice | the cpu frq is locked at 248 and the lcd disk light is on steady |
| 17:52:50 | funman | i don't see where i could have left a deadlock which wouldn't trigger a panic |
| 17:53:04 | FlynDice | yes cpu is steady boosted and I2SO is off |
| 17:53:08 | funman | i need to look at that file carefully again : i want to add retry on send_cmd errors |
| 17:53:28 | funman | what's the state of bufferign thread? empty? |
| 17:53:56 | FlynDice | we seem to get an ok transfer speed without widebus though |
| 17:54:34 | funman | we hadn't set up the controller for wide bus so that looks normal |
| 17:54:53 | funman | i mean, i can understand we see the same performance, not explain it :) |
| 17:54:55 | kugel | funman: does FlynDice fix your non-working uSD? |
| 17:55:26 | funman | kugel: no, as written in the flyspray entry |
| 17:55:56 | funman | i listened to music stored on this µSD this afternoon while skating without any crashes though |
| 17:56:14 | kugel | funman: yea, but your first comment was "Thanks for the patch, it works fine with my 2 µSD cards", hence I was confused |
| 17:56:38 | funman | the 2nd comment starts with "correction" |
| 17:57:19 | funman | i have no way to reproduce an error in data transfer from/to this card |
| 17:57:44 | funman | i formatted it since, i'll try again test_disk on it in the future |
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| 18:04:52 | CIA-6 | New commit by blue_dude (r22275): New committer! |
| 18:05:12 | kugel | Blue_Dude: Welcome! \o/ |
| 18:05:20 | kugel | FlynDice: did you try test disk? |
| 18:05:22 | Blue_Dude | Thanks! |
| 18:06:09 | FlynDice | kugel: not yet I've been trying to get widebus working |
| 18:07:35 | pamaury | funman: did you look at the logf fix I posted on FS recently (FS #10515) ? |
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| 18:10:09 | CIA-6 | New commit by funman (r22276): Fix a wrong memcpy in logf() introduced in r22253 ... |
| 18:10:23 | * | LambdaCalculus37 sees a new committer :) |
| 18:10:36 | funman | pamaury: no i hadn't looked at it :) |
| 18:10:44 | pamaury | thanks :) |
| 18:12:01 | pamaury | I have a question about usb_drv_* things ? Is there any usb expert here ? |
| 18:12:04 | FlynDice | kugel: One other thought I had re widebus. Do you think the GPIOD being dual use with MMC/SD could be an issue? I'm not all that familiar and you worked with that for the buttonlight on disk access issue |
| 18:12:41 | kugel | could be, build without HAVE_BUTTON_LIGHT to be sure |
| 18:14:23 | kugel | funman: you could probably deactivate it also when messing with the problematic microsd, I don't really knno how this buttonlight business affects our driver |
| 18:15:08 | funman | kugel: did you see how the OF deactivate button light while SD transfers? |
| 18:15:25 | kugel | no |
| 18:15:45 | kugel | I haven't really looked at the of, except for the SD_MCI_POWER thing |
| 18:15:51 | gevaerts | Blue_Dude: congratulations! |
| 18:16:08 | * | gevaerts sees pamaury's question and tries to hide |
| 18:16:16 | Blue_Dude | ty! |
| 18:17:04 | pamaury | gevaerts: ah I though you weren't there :) |
| 18:17:05 | kugel | pamaury: gevaerts! gevaerts! gevaerts! |
| 18:17:25 | gevaerts | I'm not! I don't exist! |
| 18:17:49 | CIA-6 | New commit by gevaerts (r22277): block qnap-jdgordon again: it doesn't have perl in the expected place |
| 18:18:03 | pamaury | I was wondering: what happen if someone call usb_drv_send_nonblocking while another call has been issued and the transaction is not finished |
| 18:18:18 | gevaerts | on the same endpoint? Don't do that |
| 18:18:28 | funman | gevaerts: what about a simple script which checks basic requirements? nice, perl in some place, etc? |
| 18:18:39 | kugel | did JdGordon actually any successful build before attaching as client? |
| 18:18:39 | pamaury | yes on the same endpoint |
| 18:19:09 | pamaury | well I was sure I would get that answer... That's related to the usbserial driver in fact |
| 18:19:17 | gevaerts | pamaury: I don't think any of the drivers will handle that properly. ARC certainly doesn't. |
| 18:19:53 | pamaury | gevaerts: so weird things could arise if someone calls usbserial_send two times on a row |
| 18:19:56 | pamaury | ? |
| 18:19:58 | kugel | they aren't thread safe? |
| 18:20:07 | gevaerts | kugel: nothing to do with threads |
| 18:20:14 | pamaury | the same thread |
| 18:20:45 | pamaury | example: usbserial_send('a',1);usbserial_send('b',1); The first transaction won't be finished when the second will happened |
| 18:20:58 | * | kugel read "usb_drv_send_nonblocking while another call has been issued and the transaction is not finished" as "call it, while a previous call didn't return" |
| 18:21:19 | gevaerts | pamaury: usb_serial_send() just puts things in a ringbuffer |
| 18:21:23 | gevaerts | kugel: *nonblocking |
| 18:22:28 | pamaury | hum, so there shouldn't be any problem calling it lots of time on a row ? |
| 18:23:18 | gevaerts | pamaury: there shouldn't be, no. You can overflow the ringbuffer of course, but that should only eat data, not crash. That doesn't mean it's guaranteed bug-free of course |
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| 18:24:22 | pamaury | ok I will test more, because I'm working on a new implementation of logf and for practical reasons it's simpler to call usbserial_send for each character rather than one or two times at the end |
| 18:24:33 | pamaury | And I get really weird results with that |
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| 18:25:25 | gevaerts | pamaury: please try to avoid that. It should work well, but I don't really like the idea |
| 18:25:35 | pamaury | why ? |
| 18:25:47 | pamaury | because it's subsubsubsuboptimal ? |
| 18:25:55 | gevaerts | it could be I think, yes |
| 18:26:53 | pamaury | ok,I will avoid that but still I'm wondering why I get different results |
| 18:26:53 | gevaerts | although that will depend on the case. If you log a line every now and then, I expect two transactions instead of one. If you log lots in a row, it won't be too bad, but you'll overflow the ringbuffer anyway |
| 18:27:22 | pamaury | what's the size of the ringbuffer ? |
| 18:27:40 | gevaerts | default 512 bytes |
| 18:27:49 | gevaerts | you can change the define though |
| 18:28:05 | pamaury | should be large enough normally |
| 18:28:23 | gevaerts | I expect so, yes |
| 18:29:34 | gevaerts | if we want to use it for other things than logging (ppp?), I guess just usb_serial_send() isn't a good API. I'm not sure how likely that is to happen |
| 18:31:11 | pamaury | that's for logging |
| 18:31:14 | pamaury | (here) |
| 18:32:39 | gevaerts | I know. I can just imagine some usecases actually wanting to know when their actual bytes go out |
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| 18:36:01 | pamaury | yes that's true |
| 18:36:58 | pamaury | Also, is the usbserial implementation really working ? I have lots of problem with my sansa (or perhaps my logf is buggy related to usbserial) |
| 18:37:22 | gevaerts | it's not always very reliable. I haven't used it recently |
| 18:38:07 | pamaury | why ? I is a usb problem or really the usbserial ? |
| 18:38:28 | gevaerts | not sure |
| 18:38:53 | bertrik | last time I looked at usbserial for another project (this is a few years ago), there were also some peculiarities in the windows xp drivers |
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| 18:39:07 | CIA-6 | New commit by gevaerts (r22278): JdGordon promises that qnap-jdgordon now works fine |
| 18:39:33 | * | JdGordon| promises nothing |
| 18:39:43 | pamaury | I guess for Windows, a simple interface like this won't suffice, it problem requires the whole CDC-ACM things |
| 18:39:44 | gevaerts | yes, our current implementation does not work with xp, due to it being pretty incomplete |
| 18:39:54 | funman | JdGordon| doesn't, but JdGordon does! |
| 18:40:15 | * | JdGordon| wouldnt trust that guy.... |
| 18:41:02 | bertrik | gevaerts, what is missing then? |
| 18:41:49 | bertrik | IIRC, windows just sends some of those line control commands (DTR) when opening a USB serial port and not much more |
| 18:41:49 | gevaerts | bertrik: I'm not exactly sure, but IIRC there needs to be an interrupt endpoint that does some things, and some control things |
| 18:42:16 | gevaerts | it may not use the other things, but it could very well check if the endpoint is there |
| 18:42:27 | JdGordon| | scorche: all our flights suck... assuming the 3 of us goto the airport together you will be stuffing around for 2 hours and me 1... +any extra time for gev to make his flight |
| 18:42:41 | JdGordon| | WTF? gev<tab> in that sentance chanegd it to 24/7! |
| 18:42:53 | * | gevaerts denies being 24/7 |
| 18:43:00 | JdGordon| | sorry, wrong window |
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| 18:54:41 | kugel | wtf |
| 18:54:55 | kugel | where is gui_statusbar_set_screen() defined? it's called but I can't find it |
| 18:55:16 | JdGordon| | I have a feeling thats #defined in screen_access.h |
| 18:55:30 | JdGordon| | or used to be |
| 18:56:07 | kugel | ah got it |
| 18:57:09 | * | kugel wonders whether "/* Must be done before any code uses the multi-screen APi */" before gui_syncstatusbar_init() is still valid |
| 18:57:30 | JdGordon| | probbaly not |
| 18:59:26 | * | kugel tries |
| 18:59:30 | pamaury | gevaerts: there is a really strange thing with usbserial: if send a burst of usbserial_send (each of size >= 16 in this case) then only the first seems to be catched by usbserial on linux and in fact on the first seems to be actually sent. |
| 18:59:53 | pamaury | But if I introduce a sleep(HZ/10) between each call, then everything works ! |
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| 19:00:24 | gevaerts | pamaury: that seems to point to the ringbuffer not working properly |
| 19:00:53 | pamaury | ok, I'll investigate that |
| 19:03:57 | pamaury | gevaerts: I also have a question about usbserial: what does this line of code means (in subserial_init_connection) ? |
| 19:04:02 | pamaury | usb_drv_recv(ep_out, receive_buffer, sizeof receive_buffer); |
| 19:04:38 | pamaury | there also is a comment: |
| 19:04:42 | gevaerts | pamaury: tell the driver to receive some data |
| 19:04:50 | pamaury | prime rx endpoint |
| 19:04:55 | pamaury | what does that mean ? |
| 19:05:32 | kugel | stupid setttings_apply() at boot |
| 19:05:34 | gevaerts | hm, that comment should probably be changed. That's a bit specific to the ARC driver. "priming an endpoint" means telling the hardware to expect data |
| 19:06:32 | pamaury | Without this it would accept data from the host ? |
| 19:06:37 | pamaury | *wouldn't |
| 19:07:06 | gevaerts | exactly |
| 19:07:28 | pamaury | But the drivers shouldn't be aware of that no ? |
| 19:07:56 | gevaerts | why not? The driver decides where to put the data... |
| 19:08:10 | pamaury | well, that's true :) |
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| 19:20:28 | FlynDice | funman: re: [08:46] <funman> FlynDice: i'll check if AMS OF uses widebus mode for SD cards, I would be interested if you find a SET_CLR_CARD_DETECT(ACMD42) associated with this also. It controls a pull-up resistor on DAT3. |
| 19:21:41 | funman | FlynDice: i have some troubles to start disassembling (can't find a correct blue color for my terminal) |
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| 19:25:52 | pamaury | gevaerts: is there any way to sniff the usb packets on linux ? |
| 19:30:00 | gevaerts | there's wireshark+usbmon these days |
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| 19:48:54 | Blue_Dude | I'm going to commit a couple of plugin changes: FS #10502 and FS #10504. I won't be able to close the FS items yet though. |
| 19:49:08 | LambdaCalculus37 | Blue_Dude: What are those plugin changes, exactly? |
| 19:49:58 | Blue_Dude | 10502 adds DSP benchmarking to test_codec. 10504 makes use of dsp_output_count and dsp_input_count in the mpegplayer audio thread. |
| 19:50:35 | saratoga | FS #10502 could probably be closed |
| 19:51:33 | Blue_Dude | Yeah. I'd like to commit the change first though. |
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| 20:05:29 | Blue_Dude | Hm. Having trouble using patch at the command line. Says can't find files and suggests using −−strip. |
| 20:06:02 | saratoga | use -p0 or maybe higher int |
| 20:06:05 | funman | Blue_Dude: perhaps you need to tweak -p level |
| 20:06:07 | saratoga | if it was made with git |
| 20:06:21 | funman | -pN will strip the N first leading directories from the patch |
| 20:06:56 | Blue_Dude | I used svn diff to generate the patch. Now I need to apply it to another branch. |
| 20:07:33 | funman | you would use patch -p0, provided you are in the root of rockbox checkout and generated the diff from the root of a rockbox checkout |
| 20:07:39 | saratoga | try incrementing the p level until it takes |
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| 20:07:56 | pamaury | gevaerts: does it require a custom kernel build or any kernel will do ? |
| 20:08:17 | Blue_Dude | ok, it liked -p0 |
| 20:08:33 | saratoga | most SVN diffs will need p0 |
| 20:08:38 | gevaerts | pamaury: depends. Some distributions have usbmon by default, but presumably some don't |
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| 20:08:47 | funman | Blue_Dude: when looking at the patch, pay attention to the line "diff −−git a/firmware/logf.c b/firmware/logf.c |
| 20:08:59 | * | pamaury believes ubuntu don't :( |
| 20:09:06 | bertrik | in short, use -p1 for patches made by funman :) |
| 20:09:10 | funman | "patch" will attempt to patch "b/firmware/logf.c" and "patch -p1" will patch firmware/logf.c |
| 20:09:29 | funman | the patchlevel could be different if you ran svn diff while working inside firmware/ directory |
| 20:09:41 | funman | well, you'd have to cd firmware/ first . |
| 20:09:48 | gevaerts | pamaury: "grep USB_MON /boot/config-*" will tell you |
| 20:09:52 | Blue_Dude | The weird thing is that I ran the patch from the root and tried to apply it at the root. |
| 20:10:05 | Blue_Dude | −−ran the diff −− |
| 20:10:26 | pamaury | gevarts: seems to support it: CONFIG_USB_MON=y |
| 20:10:45 | pamaury | gevaerts: but I can't modprobe usbmon |
| 20:11:04 | gevaerts | pamaury: "y" means it's built-in, no modprobe needed |
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| 20:11:21 | pamaury | gevaerts: ah :) |
| 20:11:53 | pamaury | but when I run wireshark it doesn't show any usb interface |
| 20:11:55 | funman | Blue_Dude: patch manpage says if you don't specify -p it will strip ALL leading directories |
| 20:12:13 | Blue_Dude | Aha. |
| 20:12:28 | CIA-6 | New commit by blue_dude (r22279): Adds DSP testing and WAV writing to test_codec |
| 20:12:34 | gevaerts | pamaury: as root? |
| 20:12:52 | pamaury | gevaerts: ah that could explain the thing |
| 20:13:22 | kugel | Blue_Dude: please try to reference to a FS# if there's any related one |
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| 20:13:51 | Blue_Dude | kugel: Yeah you're right. Forgot. That was FS #10502. |
| 20:13:53 | pamaury | gevaerts: I don't have any usb interface, I have ethernet interfaces only |
| 20:14:07 | funman | Blue_Dude: an advantage of doing that, is that direct links to the FS are generated in the irclogs |
| 20:14:53 | gevaerts | pamaury: maybe you need to mount the debugs thing? I don't know... |
| 20:15:08 | * | gevaerts hasn't used wireshark for usb in a very long time |
| 20:15:13 | kugel | funman: and on the front page :) |
| 20:16:03 | pamaury | gevaerts: I have found out, it requires another obscure mount command line with usbfs |
| 20:17:19 | Blue_Dude | funman: Happily climbing the learning curve... |
| 20:17:42 | Blue_Dude | FS# 10502 is OK to close now, too. |
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| 20:19:46 | kugel | Blue_Dude: your wish is my command :> |
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| 20:21:23 | mt | Blue_Dude: A bit late, but congratulations ! :) |
| 20:21:42 | Blue_Dude | ty! |
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| 20:28:34 | CIA-6 | New commit by blue_dude (r22280): FS #10504: Make mpegplayer audio thread use correct sample count |
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| 20:29:54 | pamaury | gevaerts: is there a way to workaround the capture size which is quite limited... ? |
| 20:30:12 | gevaerts | I don't know. I haven't ever used it for real |
| 20:30:30 | gevaerts | I've just played around with it a bit |
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| 20:38:42 | n1s | Blue_Dude: congratz. and ask Zagor for dev access on FS |
| 20:39:14 | Blue_Dude | nls: thanks. I'm keeping an eye out for him. Will probably just shoot him an email. |
| 20:42:17 | CIA-6 | New commit by blue_dude (r22281): FS #10512: Bookmarking does not behave correctly (fixes r22192) |
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| 20:46:40 | bertrik | I have a question about list.c |
| 20:47:01 | bertrik | We have three of those, a common list.c, a list.c for charcell and a list.c for bitmap targets, right? |
| 20:47:53 | bertrik | the common list.c now seems to contain some list functions that are completely enclosed in #ifdef HAVE_LCD_BITMAP, can't we move those to the list.c for bitmap targets? |
| 20:50:24 | bertrik | for example function gui_list_get_item_offset is implemented in the common list.c but is never used there, it's only used in bitmap/list.c |
| 20:51:17 | gevaerts | sounds like a clear thing to move |
| 20:52:42 | bertrik | ok, I'll carefully go ahead with that |
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| 20:55:23 | bertrik | oh, that would be too easy of course, it refers to some local variables |
| 20:55:45 | gevaerts | of course :) |
| 20:57:17 | jordan` | aaa |
| 20:57:21 | jordan` | oops sorry |
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| 21:00:00 | kugel | bertrik: the other bitmap is only for drawing actually |
| 21:00:22 | kugel | the other list.c* |
| 21:00:34 | CIA-6 | New commit by blue_dude (r22282): FS #10446: Bug defense in dsp.c, minor tweaks and comments |
| 21:01:39 | Blue_Dude | And that clears my backlog... Whew. |
| 21:02:31 | kugel | bertrik: I'd rather rename instead of breaking this separation |
| 21:02:47 | bertrik | I don't get it |
| 21:03:09 | kugel | the list.c in the subfolders do the drawing, the normal list.c is the logic code |
| 21:03:14 | bertrik | I'd just like to move some of the bitmap specific code from apps/gui/list.c to apps/gui/bitmap/list.c |
| 21:04:00 | bertrik | the charcell/list.c only does list_draw indeed |
| 21:04:09 | kugel | yes, but that would mix logic and drawing code, I wouldn't want that, hence renaming the list.c's in the subfolders |
| 21:04:14 | bertrik | but the bitmap/list.c does a lot more |
| 21:04:19 | kugel | no |
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| 21:06:09 | kugel | well, the touchscreen stuff is a bit more it seems |
| 21:07:29 | bertrik | when something is only used by the list_draw function from apps/gui/bitmap/list.c, wouldn't it make sense to actually move it to apps/gui/bitmap/list.c ? |
| 21:07:50 | bertrik | how about I make a patch so you can have a look at it? |
| 21:08:32 | kugel | what is only used by list_draw? |
| 21:10:33 | bertrik | Function gui_list_get_item_offset. Functions gui_synclist_scroll_right/left are referred from apps/gui/list.c but only #ifdef HAVE_LCD_BITMAP |
| 21:12:43 | kugel | the former seems fine to move, the other two not really |
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| 21:15:34 | kugel | maybe a subfolder list/ with list-engine.c, list-draw-[bitmap|charcell].c, simplelist.c would be a good idea |
| 21:17:55 | bertrik | heh, it started as a simple fix (just remove some extern declarations from a C file) and before you know I'm creating entire new source files ... :P |
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| 21:34:54 | pamaury | gevaerts: I have some new info about the usbserial problem |
| 21:34:56 | JdGordon| | kugel: FOLDERS FOR EVERYONE.... ahahhehhehehee |
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| 21:35:32 | bluebrother | a folder for three separate files? Sounds like overkill to me |
| 21:36:00 | kugel | overkill? does a folder cost anything? 4 files, btw |
| 21:36:23 | bluebrother | it doesn't cost anything, but it does cost time to navigate. |
| 21:36:35 | bluebrother | so yes, it does cost something. |
| 21:36:49 | kugel | also, right now in apps/gui/ there are 2 folders with 1 file each |
| 21:37:16 | kugel | bluebrother: sorry, that sounds absurt to me |
| 21:37:23 | kugel | absurd* |
| 21:38:00 | bluebrother | doesn't sound like a good thing to me either. Either other files in those folders have been deleted, or files that are planned to be put there haven't been put there yet. Or someone thinking that a deep deep folder structure makes it easier to find things |
| 21:38:13 | gevaerts | pamaury: what sort of info? |
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| 21:38:48 | kugel | bluebrother: no, the guy who just cried "FOLDERS FOR EVERYONE" added those :) |
| 21:38:54 | bluebrother | kugel: feel free to disagree with me, but splitting things up too much can be a slowdown as much as not splitting things up when necessary. |
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| 21:39:02 | bluebrother | then blame that guy :) |
| 21:39:38 | kugel | I disagree in this case at least |
| 21:39:42 | pamaury | gevaerts: On my computer with my target, with my program to read usbserial packets, then usbserial seems not to send any usb packet when the size becomes too importants (in my exemple 142 characters) |
| 21:40:08 | bluebrother | thing is, the question of splitting things in a folder or not is a tightrope walk. One needs to consider carefully if the added folder is a benefit or does make things more dungeon-like. |
| 21:40:42 | kugel | I think there are things you need to consider more carefully |
| 21:40:59 | pamaury | gevearts: I've tried lots of combinaisons and reached the conclusion that its fails only when the size left to transfer in the ringbuffer is too big (but lower than the ringbuffer size still) |
| 21:41:14 | kugel | well structured code is important imo, even if it means to browser 1 additional subfolder at times |
| 21:41:18 | gevaerts | pamaury: any clue whether it's usb_serial.c or the driver? |
| 21:41:18 | pamaury | I will try to determine the exact value |
| 21:41:55 | pamaury | gevearts: to me, it's the driver because I've put logf things everywhere and usbserial forwards directly the request and the buffer to the driver |
| 21:41:56 | bluebrother | kugel: did I say *anything* about the importance of other things? |
| 21:42:11 | bluebrother | or the relation to the importance of other decisions? |
| 21:42:19 | * | bluebrother shakes head |
| 21:42:21 | kugel | No you didn't |
| 21:42:34 | bluebrother | so what's the point in that? |
| 21:42:40 | pamaury | but I don't understand why it would fail with usbserial whereas mass-storage works and involves transfers greater than that I beleive |
| 21:42:57 | kugel | bluebrother: you're leaving the topic |
| 21:43:28 | gevaerts | pamaury: one special thing about storage is that it only sends either small packets (commands), or full 512-byte packets. Never anything in between |
| 21:43:33 | bluebrother | you consider other things more important? Fine, but the decision under discussion is still a tightrope walk. Doesn't change simply because you consider other things more important. |
| 21:43:40 | bluebrother | kugel: no I don't. |
| 21:44:59 | pamaury | gevearts: that's strange then. I've though about a weird bug being a combinaison of rockbox+kernel+libusb but it also fails with linux usbserial module iirc |
| 21:45:06 | kugel | tightrope walk is excessivly exaggerated |
| 21:45:25 | pamaury | gevearts: the strangest thing is that *it doesn't send any packet* |
| 21:46:52 | gevaerts | pamaury: did you verify that it properly gets to sendout()? |
| 21:47:02 | bluebrother | well, then consider it exaggerated. Still it's a decision that isn't easy in quite some cases. So why not call it tightrope walk? |
| 21:47:17 | pamaury | yes: it sendout the same buffer and buffer size. I will investigate more about this issue |
| 21:47:44 | kugel | oh dear... |
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| 21:48:12 | bluebrother | I've seen enough cases where deep folder structures holding only a little amount of files got confusing, even to the people who created it. So at least *I* consider it an important question. If you don't, fine. |
| 21:48:20 | Strangelove | hello |
| 21:48:52 | kugel | 3 isn't deep, and not even deeper as right now |
| 21:49:44 | Strangelove | i have a question.. how do u sync files into the iPod when using Rockbox? i've went through the FAQ and |
| 21:49:57 | Strangelove | manual and didn't see anything regarding that... |
| 21:50:00 | bluebrother | kugel: this doesn't change my opinion that folder structure decisions aren't easy. It might be unproblematic in this case, but I wasn't referring to this case anymore. What on earth is the point? |
| 21:50:07 | bluebrother | Strangelove: any way you like. |
| 21:50:23 | Strangelove | ? |
| 21:50:31 | bluebrother | you can use Windows Explorer (in case you're using Windows), iTunes, or any other software that syncs to a player. |
| 21:50:34 | kugel | Strangelove: you can drag&drop or use any syncing tool (in disk mode I think) |
| 21:50:38 | Strangelove | nice.. |
| 21:50:48 | Strangelove | i HATE itunes.. |
| 21:50:48 | bluebrother | Rockbox does not need any special folder structure or database file so it's completely up to you. |
| 21:50:49 | kugel | or rockbox usb that is |
| 21:51:13 | Strangelove | i had a Zen vision:M that worked great and was soooo easy to organize |
| 21:51:35 | Strangelove | and now i got an iPod Classic 120gb and it only uses that horrible itunes software.. |
| 21:53:11 | Strangelove | that leads to just one more question.. i didn't understand with all the generations talks, whetever Rockbox supports the new iPod Classic 120gb? |
| 21:54:08 | stephen__ | no it doesn't support the classic yet |
| 21:54:32 | pamaury | gevearts: seems to fail when size>=97 |
| 21:54:57 | Strangelove | :-( well i have patience, i'll wait for it, it looks like it's worth the wait.. |
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| 21:55:11 | Strangelove | thanks allot guys |
| 21:55:59 | Strangelove | ta ta |
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| 21:56:02 | pamaury | gevearts: here is what wireshark say: at size=96 works like a charm but at size=97: cannot send after transport endpoint shutdown |
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| 21:58:48 | gevaerts | pamaury: weird... Anyway, that should mean that if sendout() adds "buffer_transitlength = MIN(buffer_transitlength,96); |
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| 21:59:07 | gevaerts | " it should work. Maybe that's worth a try? |
| 21:59:39 | gevaerts | It's not a real solution of course, but it's certainly a useful indication |
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| 22:01:35 | pamaury | I'll do just one more test to be sure it's 96 |
| 22:03:23 | bertrik | bluebrother, the intention of the list subdirectory was to make file naming easier and less confusing |
| 22:03:53 | bertrik | currently we have already have two subdirs containing only one list.c file each |
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| 22:06:45 | pamaury | gevearts: here's my logf: http://pastie.org/581798 |
| 22:07:05 | pamaury | gevearts: variables refers to the ones in usbserial |
| 22:07:16 | kugel | JdGordon|: customlist looks good imo |
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| 22:08:25 | JdGordon| | good... how? |
| 22:08:59 | kugel | committable very soon |
| 22:10:53 | gevaerts | pamaury: ok, so it's definitely not related to ringbuffer wraparound or anything like that. Could you try something like http://pastie.org/581804? |
| 22:12:15 | bluebrother | bertrik: it might make sense in this case, especially if it consolidates folders. I still stand by my opinion that creating a good folder structure is non-trivial ;-) |
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| 22:13:51 | JdGordon| | kugel: whats missing? |
| 22:14:06 | pamaury | gevearts: you trick works which is not very surprising |
| 22:14:14 | kugel | JdGordon|: no idea |
| 22:14:36 | pamaury | geveaerts: I have also tried to do a usb_serial_send(buffer,512); but it doesn't seem to work (will confirm in a minute) |
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| 22:15:23 | kugel | there isn't missing much since a long time, I just kept being undecided on the api and stuff |
| 22:15:34 | JdGordon| | which api? |
| 22:15:38 | gevaerts | pamaury: not surprising indeed, but still good to know |
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| 22:16:14 | pamaury | gevearts: the usb_serial_send with 512 chars also fails, that's really strange. I will check with ubserial module |
| 22:16:24 | kugel | JdGordon|: activating/deactiving for example, or overridding the ui viewport |
| 22:16:34 | Blue_Dude | Got to go, but I just posted an optimized and speeded up version of the limiter DSP process I've been tinkering with at FS #10199. It is as fast as I can make it, and it doesn't take a hit on system performance when it isn't active. I've been running it on target for a few weeks and it *does* work. |
| 22:17:12 | JdGordon| | kugel: we were going to work on that post commit though wernt we? |
| 22:17:29 | JdGordon| | this is the viewport.c mess? |
| 22:17:34 | kugel | yea |
| 22:17:40 | kugel | but it's good now I think |
| 22:17:47 | pamaury | gevearts: no it doesn't work. Will would it fail with usbserial and not with mass storage ? |
| 22:17:54 | kugel | or rather, acceptable :> |
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| 22:18:19 | JdGordon| | do you wanna put some test builds in the forums? |
| 22:18:45 | kugel | do you think it's needed? |
| 22:18:47 | * | JdGordon| tries to put some time aside tonight to give the patch a good looking over |
| 22:18:52 | gevaerts | pamaury: maybe related to alignment? What happens if you change the aligned(32) to aligned(512) for send_buffer? |
| 22:19:03 | JdGordon| | kugel: no, not really... others might disagree thoguh... |
| 22:19:10 | JdGordon| | bbs |
| 22:20:08 | amiconn | Zagor: There is a gap which can't be seen in the SVN backlogs on the website |
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| 22:21:06 | Zagor | amiconn: 22264-22266? |
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| 22:21:26 | amiconn | Today's log (already the extended one on recent.shtml goes back to r22267, and the next older one ("last 4 week") only goes up to r22263 |
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| 22:23:57 | pamaury | gevearts: no it doesn't seem to work |
| 22:24:17 | pamaury | gevearts: is the usb storage buffer 512 bytes aligned ? |
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| 22:24:38 | kugel | Zagor: what I also noticed is that since-12-month doesn't go 12 month back |
| 22:24:52 | gevaerts | pamaury: no, also only 32 bytes. |
| 22:25:03 | * | gevaerts misremembered that for a moment |
| 22:25:38 | kugel | oh wait, it does now |
| 22:26:27 | Zagor | the archive files are not created as often as the front-page list |
| 22:27:03 | bertrik | I got the shuffled list stuff compiling at last, it doesn't make much binsize difference (as expected) |
| 22:30:02 | gevaerts | pamaury: I think I'm going to commit the packet size limiting. It doesn't fix the real underlying problem, but at least then usb_serial will actually be usable |
| 22:30:50 | gevaerts | I'll limit it to 32 though. That 96 sounds weird to me, and I suspect that it might be just a random multiple of 32, depending on where exactly in memory the buffer ends up |
| 22:31:24 | pamaury | yes, limit it to 32, we don't understand what this 96 is. Perhaps it's even related to the host |
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| 22:32:25 | pamaury | gevearts: your previous fix wasn't sufficient, you need two MIN instead of one |
| 22:34:44 | pamaury | gevearts: is the usb_drv_arc doing packet splitting or is this done in hardware or even never done ? |
| 22:35:05 | CIA-6 | New commit by gevaerts (r22285): Limit usb_serial packets to 32 bytes. It's unclear why this is needed, but usb serial packets larger than 96 bytes seem to never be sent. ... |
| 22:36:05 | gevaerts | pamaury: that's done in hardware... Hm, maybe the hardware isn't set up right... |
| 22:36:46 | gevaerts | pamaury: is the fix I just committed still wrong? |
| 22:36:48 | bertrik | gevaerts, could it be that the usb serial host driver doesn't expect large packets? |
| 22:36:50 | pamaury | don't know. I get strange results with wireshark: sometimes it's a "transport endpoint shutdown" and sometimes its "protocal error" |
| 22:36:57 | pamaury | gevearts: no it seems ok |
| 22:39:39 | gevaerts | ok. I'll leave it like this for now then |
| 22:40:01 | gevaerts | bertrik: we set up a maxpacketsize of 512. AFAIK the host has to accept that... |
| 22:41:53 | pamaury | nearly any computer host will accept 512 I think. This is perhaps not the case if the host is a portable device |
| 22:42:13 | gevaerts | it has to, or it shouldn't claim to speak usb |
| 22:42:25 | pamaury | it's in the spec ? |
| 22:42:46 | gevaerts | allowed packetsizes are in the spec, yes |
| 22:43:39 | bertrik | which host driver is used for the usb serial port? |
| 22:45:44 | gevaerts | I use the generic linux usbserial driver |
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| 22:46:37 | pamaury | It's not even related to usbserial driver. I've tried using a custom program using libusb. |
| 22:46:37 | bertrik | I thought usbserial was for "weird" usb serial devices and cdc-acm for normal cdc compliant devices |
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| 22:47:12 | pamaury | yes but cdc-acm requires a cdc-acm compatible device :) |
| 22:47:22 | gevaerts | bertrik: ah, maybe. Well, we don't have all features that a cdc compliant device needs, so that's ok :) |
| 22:47:33 | bertrik | ok |
| 22:48:15 | andrewbeveridge | hi, could anybody explain why the "ACTION_WPS" action codes do not work in any context other than the WPS itself? |
| 22:49:48 | pixelma | because they were made to work in the wps context only? If you combine contexts you can easily get "overlapping" and unwanted effects |
| 22:50:40 | n1s | yeah, it's, like the whole point of the context sensitive actions :) |
| 22:50:48 | andrewbeveridge | so for example, a player with a dedicated "play/pause" button. if one is not on the wps, the button is useless? |
| 22:50:58 | n1s | no |
| 22:51:17 | n1s | the button can hava a different action in another context |
| 22:51:26 | n1s | have* |
| 22:51:29 | andrewbeveridge | right |
| 22:51:39 | pixelma | e.g. resume |
| 22:51:44 | andrewbeveridge | so there is no way to control music playback while on another screen? |
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| 22:53:02 | n1s | andrewbeveridge: depending on the target... some targets can use their stop button and play/pause/resume in some other screens than wps |
| 22:53:07 | pixelma | some players that have dedicated volume buttons (like the Gigabeat F and the sansa c200) give you the possibility to control the volume while in lists (menu, browser) |
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| 22:54:07 | n1s | but this has nothing to do with the actions, WPS* actions are for the wps, an action performed in a different context while it might do the same thing is not a wps action |
| 22:54:41 | pixelma | that's true |
| 22:54:56 | kugel | man, something is wrong |
| 22:55:14 | andrewRB | ok, well the target I am working on is the Cowon D2, so could you explain what I should be looking at if not the target specific keymap please? |
| 22:55:14 | kugel | the whole recompiles from time to time :( |
| 22:55:19 | kugel | +source |
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| 22:56:01 | andrewRB | (it has dedicated volume buttons, that is exactly what I would like to achieve) |
| 22:56:23 | gevaerts | hm, http://build.rockbox.org/shownewlog.cgi?rev=22285;type=ipodmini2g#prob1 |
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| 22:56:58 | gevaerts | and http://build.rockbox.org/shownewlog.cgi?rev=22276;type=mrobe500 |
| 22:57:42 | CIA-6 | New commit by gevaerts (r22286): fix typo |
| 22:57:50 | andrewRB | ah, i see. for example the c200 - i see "ACTION_LIST_VOLUP" |
| 22:57:51 | pamaury | gevearts: did someone manage to raise a gcc internal error ? |
| 22:58:04 | gevaerts | pamaury: I suspect things like bad RAM |
| 22:58:28 | n1s | andrewRB: there are other targets that have dedicated volume buttons too, like the gigabeats for example, they use them for ACTION_LIST_VOLUP (and down) in the list |
| 22:58:37 | gevaerts | if the same build client does that a few times more, I guess it's blacklist+talk to owner time |
| 22:58:38 | AsaelReiter | Hi |
| 22:58:38 | * | n1s slow |
| 22:58:50 | AsaelReiter | How can I check the CPU usage of a plugin? |
| 22:59:15 | pamaury | gevearts: would it be possible that you or someone else try to see if this 96 limit for usbserial maintains for other target and with other hosts ? |
| 22:59:29 | gevaerts | pamaury: I can, but not today |
| 22:59:53 | pamaury | gevearts: Ok, I will try myself on a another computer |
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| 23:04:08 | andrewRB | n1s: thanks, I now see what I want in the gigabeat-s keymap. Still not sure which file I should be looking at though =/ |
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| 23:06:12 | JdGordon| | andrewRB: what are you tring to do? |
| 23:06:34 | pamaury | gevearts: I have the same problem on another computer |
| 23:07:22 | andrewRB | the D2 has three hardware buttons; volume up/down, and play/pause. I want these to control music playback, whatever screen I am on, since the touch screen is used for navigation. |
| 23:08:08 | JdGordon| | you need to add some new actions, and then in every screen you want them to work you need to add handlign for thme |
| 23:08:15 | andrewRB | I thought I could simply edit "keymap-cowond2.c" but I was wrong |
| 23:08:38 | JdGordon| | the other option is add the handling to default_event_handler(), but thats not very nice |
| 23:09:26 | kugel | omg again! |
| 23:09:59 | andrewRB | maybe a better question for me to ask was, is there anything I can read to help me learn my way around the rockbox source? Simply reading the code, I'm going round in circles. |
| 23:10:11 | JdGordon| | there isnt... |
| 23:11:32 | n1s | andrewRB: the only easy place to add these actions is in the list context as other targets already have that functionality, other contexts will be a little more work |
| 23:12:02 | andrewRB | ok, thanks. |
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| 23:17:11 | andrewRB | would there be any reason for me not to add "ACTION_STD_VOLUP"? |
| 23:18:07 | JdGordon| | well... ideally every ACTION_STD_ must be handled in every action handler... and that each target should have it |
| 23:18:14 | JdGordon| | putting it in the list context makes more sense |
| 23:18:27 | pamaury | gevearts: Are there any specifications available for the usb drivers ? (more precisely for sansa e200 −−> usb_drv_arc ?) |
| 23:19:05 | andrewRB | JdGordon|: the list context includes the menu and file browser, right? |
| 23:19:13 | JdGordon| | yes |
| 23:19:21 | JdGordon| | anything that has that obvious list look |
| 23:19:29 | andrewRB | haha. great, thanks |
| 23:19:38 | JdGordon| | i.e 90% of rockbox's ui |
| 23:21:21 | stripwax | AsaelReiter - which plugin? simple answer is probably 'not easily', but by using profiling you might be able to compare cpu time to clock time |
| 23:21:36 | gevaerts | pamaury: yes. The iMX31 reference manual (MCIMX31RM.pdf) from http://www.freescale.com/webapp/sps/site/prod_summary.jsp?ProdMetaId=PID%2FDC%2Fi.MX31&isAdvanceSearch=false&showCustomCollateral=false&RELEVANCE=true&Documentation=Documentation/13010Ksfwlk``Reference Manuals&fromTrng=false&fromPSP=true&showAllCategories=false&fpsp=1&SelectedAsset=Documentation&&assetLocked=false&leftNavCode=1&assetLockedForNavigation=true&code=i.MX31&isResult=false&c |
| 23:22:20 | AsaelReiter | stripwax: brickmania, with some changes that I wrote |
| 23:22:49 | gevaerts | pamaury: http://tinyurl.com/nmx6zo is going to work better. That's the SoC of the gigabeat S, but the USB controller is the same as the one in the PP502x chips |
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| 23:26:41 | stripwax | AsaelReiter - if it's possible to isolate your code change, and profile that in a standalone environment, then you could try that. |
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| 23:28:20 | AsaelReiter | I think it's not possible. |
| 23:30:14 | AsaelReiter | (The most important change is simplify some colossal loops) |
| 23:31:25 | stripwax | If the code is simplified, and the algorithmic complexity doesn't increase, and the instruction count goes down, then it sounds like a good change, even if the benefit can't easily be quantified |
| 23:31:34 | pamaury | gevearts: it there a document for usb programming in the link you gave me or is it only an electrical sheet ? |
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| 23:32:10 | gevaerts | pamaury: MCIMX31RM.pdf has the full programming interface |
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| 23:35:13 | pamaury | gevearts: perhaps I'm stupid but I can't find it. There are 146 pages and I can't find the full programming interface except board regaisters |
| 23:37:42 | gevaerts | pamaury: you mean 146 pages of USB docs, or 146 pages total? If the latter, you've got the wrong file |
| 23:38:18 | pamaury | the latter, but that's the MCIMX31.pfg |
| 23:38:24 | pamaury | I'll try you're first link |
| 23:38:38 | gevaerts | pamaury: you need MCIMX31RM |
| 23:39:08 | gevaerts | you can try google for MCIMX31RM.pdf I guess |
| 23:39:23 | pamaury | yes that's what I mean, I downloaded the MCIMX31RM.pdf and it's only 146 pages long |
| 23:39:44 | n1s | the whole RM is thousands of pages |
| 23:40:32 | amiconn | 2364 pages, ~14MB |
| 23:41:25 | pamaury | definitely I downloaded the wrong one but I can't find it. |
| 23:41:41 | gevaerts | hm, there seems to be something wrong there |
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| 23:42:59 | n1s | amiconn: there's a newer rev with even more pages, not sure if the additions are very interesting though |
| 23:46:16 | pamaury | are you sure the link you gave me is still good ? |
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| 23:46:43 | gevaerts | it looks like the version they have now isn't complete |
| 23:46:47 | n1s | this is the real RM http://www.freescale.com/files/32bit/doc/ref_manual/MCIMX31RM.pdf?fpsp=1&WT_TYPE=Reference%20Manuals&WT_VENDOR=FREESCALE&WT_FILE_FORMAT=pdf&WT_ASSET=Documentation |
| 23:47:13 | n1s | hmm, or maybe not |
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| 23:47:30 | n1s | says rev 2.4 but only 3MB |
| 23:47:34 | pamaury | it's the same: 146 pages lonk |
| 23:47:36 | pamaury | *long |
| 23:48:54 | bluebrother | .ll,s.k |
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| 23:49:10 | bluebrother | looks like freescale replaced the file on their server |
| 23:49:31 | n1s | :/ |
| 23:49:37 | domonoky | http://www.christian-gmeiner.info/soc/MCIMX31RM.pdf |
| 23:49:51 | domonoky | google found it in the rockbox irc logs :-) |
| 23:50:00 | pamaury | thanks :) |
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| 23:52:02 | gevaerts | I think the other ARM-based imx SoCs have the same USB core |
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| 23:52:49 | pamaury | does this include the sansa ? |
| 23:53:53 | gevaerts | sansa is PortalPlayer 5022. We don't have a datasheet for that at all, but the USB core is clearly the same (otherwise the driver wouldn't work) |
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| 23:55:07 | pamaury | On the whole, have you got access to lots of specifications ? |
| 23:56:10 | domonoky | gevaerts: this ofcourse only applys to the current supported sansas. :-) |
| 23:56:27 | gevaerts | of course :) |
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| 23:57:30 | gevaerts | pamaury: it depends. Some manufacturers like freescale have freely available specs, others like portalplayer (now nvidia) have none at all. There's everything in between those two |
| 23:58:30 | pamaury | And won't portalplayer give you the spec (I read somewhere that they contacted you no ?) |
| 23:58:32 | pamaury | ? |
| 23:58:49 | linuxstb | Sandisk contacted us, not PortalPlayer. |
| 23:58:59 | domonoky | and then there is the very seldom case where a manufacturer provides us with normally not public specs (i think only AMS did that) :-) |
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