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| 00:02:09 | pamaury | gevearts: I have another question about usb: does the ARC OTG chipset really have only 3 endpoints ? (each endpoint being in+out) That's not much |
| 00:02:47 | gevaerts | pamaury: you can verify it if you like. There's a register that has the number. The PP chips have only 3 I think, while the freescale chips have 7 |
| 00:03:23 | gevaerts | These things are really built for DAPs, and if you can do MTP or MSC, manufacturers are happy |
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| 00:04:41 | kugel | is the statusbar actually configurable on the player? |
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| 00:15:54 | JdGordon| | kugel: i dont think so |
| 00:16:01 | JdGordon| | configurable how? disbale? |
| 00:16:27 | kugel | yea |
| 00:16:38 | krazykit | disbale? to un-christian-bale something? |
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| 00:17:19 | kugel | having a date with steven segal |
| 00:17:41 | * | JdGordon| wtf to 10517 |
| 00:17:47 | kugel | seagal |
| 00:18:25 | pixelma | kugel: the Archos Player? |
| 00:19:33 | kugel | yes |
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| 00:19:51 | kugel | JdGordon|: o.O |
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| 00:22:50 | pixelma | kugel: I don't think you can disable it and it wouldn't be useful at all - the icons are not part of the charcell display so they don't take up space there and you can't do anything else with them (fixed form) |
| 00:23:10 | pixelma | I don't *know* for sure though |
| 00:23:19 | kugel | the setting doesn't seem to be disabled |
| 00:28:42 | JdGordon| | oh noes... the 2 people who actually have a working player still are losing 200bytes from the setting! |
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| 00:30:19 | kugel | that's 100bytes per user |
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| 00:30:42 | JdGordon| | no.. its 200bytes per user |
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| 00:36:34 | kugel | JdGordon|: depends how you look at it |
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| 00:36:47 | kugel | anyway, the bar doesn't show up with my patch :( |
| 00:37:05 | kugel | and the buttonmapping of the sim is totally fucked up |
| 00:37:05 | JdGordon| | no... it will always be wasting X bytes on each of them |
| 00:37:15 | JdGordon| | which patch? customui? |
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| 00:37:20 | kugel | yea |
| 00:37:28 | JdGordon| | oh well :D commit anyway.... |
| 00:37:31 | JdGordon| | ... not really... |
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| 00:39:27 | pixelma | kugel: which sim? |
| 00:39:33 | kugel | player... |
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| 00:41:20 | pixelma | "up/down" and "left/right" are the other way round on the player, related to the +/- and Play/Stop on the buttons |
| 00:42:09 | pixelma | maybe compare to the manual ;) |
| 00:43:22 | kugel | that's stupid |
| 00:43:34 | kugel | is the player sim supposed to play music? it doesn't here :( |
| 00:43:35 | pixelma | if you say so |
| 00:43:46 | kugel | that's just inconsistent |
| 00:43:51 | pixelma | does your computer have a MAS? |
| 00:44:05 | kugel | no, but it's not a emulator either |
| 00:44:15 | JdGordon| | UIsimulator |
| 00:44:33 | JdGordon| | and no.. audio doesnt work in hwsim |
| 00:44:39 | pixelma | feel free to implement music playback that uses the hwcodec engine in the sim |
| 00:44:49 | pixelma | +playback |
| 00:44:52 | kugel | I'd just use the sw playback engine |
| 00:45:06 | JdGordon| | thats as pointless and not having audio |
| 00:45:08 | pixelma | and play ogg |
| 00:45:18 | kugel | limited to mp3 and without dsp of course.... |
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| 00:50:44 | funman | at least we learned that setting wide bus mode on the card has no effect |
| 00:50:55 | funman | and there is now an opened task for further work ^^ |
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| 00:59:21 | amiconn | Audio isn't implemented in hwcodec sims so far because it was never needed |
| 00:59:48 | amiconn | There once was a patch that added it, using libmad, but it had quite special requirements for building |
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| 01:01:02 | amiconn | Now that we have libmad in our own source tree, it could probably be done using that |
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| 01:02:56 | kugel | i think it's still not needed :) |
| 01:04:01 | pixelma | the only thing that really annoys me there is the fake next track info |
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| 01:33:38 | andrewRB | hey, is there any way to change the state of wps_state from apps/gui/list.c? |
| 01:35:47 | JdGordon| | why would you want to? |
| 01:35:55 | JdGordon| | I mean... you're doing it wrong if you want to... |
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| 01:36:49 | andrewRB | i'm doing it wrong. is there any way i can show you the patch i am currently working on? I thought I was pretty close |
| 01:37:36 | JdGordon| | pastebin... but I cant help you out for another 40min or so (I'm at work) |
| 01:37:40 | JdGordon| | what do you want to do? |
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| 01:39:04 | andrewRB | sure, well i certainly don't want to waste anyone's time, it is a personal whim anyway. just grateful for any other pointers. Amongst other things, I've added "ACTION_LIST_PLAY" and "ACTION_LIST_SKIPNEXT", i'm trying to figure how to get them to do the expectedx |
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| 01:40:32 | kugel | andrewRB: show me your diff |
| 01:40:39 | kugel | I'm not at work :> |
| 01:40:51 | JdGordon| | play shuold just call audio_play() or audio_resume()... skip next probably needs to call skip_<something>() in wps.c |
| 01:41:19 | JdGordon| | maniupalting wps_state wont help with either of them at all |
| 01:41:23 | andrewRB | http://pastebin.com/m6a3f3da1 |
| 01:41:36 | andrewRB | ahhhh |
| 01:42:24 | andrewRB | (just to clarify, the pastebin link is to a complete patch designed to add functionality to the hardware buttons on the D2 while the hold switch is on) |
| 01:42:26 | kugel | andrewRB: use audio_status() & AUDIO_PAUSED instead of wps_state.paused |
| 01:43:19 | andrewRB | thanks |
| 01:43:34 | kugel | I'm not sure if calling wps functions outside of the wps is a good idea, but it will probably work if you entered it once |
| 01:43:38 | andrewRB | what about change_dir()? |
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| 02:15:35 | JdGordon_ | kugel: an you pastebin the viewport.c file with the patch? |
| 02:15:58 | JdGordon_ | I can look at the diff now, but i'd rather look at it post patch and dont have the rb source on this comp |
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| 02:16:39 | kugel | JdGordon_: http://pastie.org/582098 |
| 02:16:52 | JdGordon_ | ta |
| 02:17:23 | kugel | wrong highlightening :/ |
| 02:19:50 | JdGordon_ | eek at the whole current statusbar handling mess |
| 02:20:12 | * | JdGordon_ hangs his head in shame |
| 02:21:10 | kugel | I changed it a bit |
| 02:23:39 | JdGordon_ | you should add some comments around ARG_STRING macro |
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| 02:24:18 | kugel | really? |
| 02:24:29 | JdGordon_ | it would be nice |
| 02:24:45 | kugel | that's in SVN though..unrelated |
| 02:24:51 | JdGordon_ | oh ok... |
| 02:24:59 | JdGordon_ | it should still get a comment |
| 02:25:08 | JdGordon_ | why its different... why it works... |
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| 02:28:01 | * | JdGordon_ thinks we should set the customui vp by default for the clip so the stupid black lines dont get in the way |
| 02:30:58 | kugel | JdGordon_: the black line isn't a problem on the clip with the default theme, is it? |
| 02:31:45 | JdGordon_ | umm.. cant remember ?:p |
| 02:32:16 | kugel | the black line is exactly between the list title and the content, very nice acutally |
| 02:33:05 | JdGordon_ | unless you change fonts... or disable the statusbar :) |
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| 02:34:02 | Jay | hey guys.. is anyone here? |
| 02:34:16 | Jay | i got some questions about tockbox i would love answered |
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| 02:34:40 | Guest81124 | j |
| 02:34:45 | Guest81124 | hello? |
| 02:35:19 | Guest81124 | well anyways i hope someone will answer this question eventually. |
| 02:35:34 | kugel | JdGordon_: of course, we were talking about the defaults though |
| 02:35:46 | AB3JU | Guest81124: actually asking your question would probably be a good idea |
| 02:36:14 | kugel | default custom ui won't help you against a bigger font either, but against toggling the statusbar |
| 02:36:36 | JdGordon_ | yeah |
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| 02:36:58 | Guest81124 | when I listen to a track and want to change the track on my ipod, I would think it would be intuative to just go to the song i want from the Database and click the SELECT button, and it would play immidiatly.. is there any way to achieve this? |
| 02:37:20 | kugel | JdGordon_: although we could use sysfont for the ui viewport, making it immune against font changes :) |
| 02:37:27 | JdGordon_ | exactly the way you would expect to |
| 02:37:42 | JdGordon_ | kugel: that would be a bit silly now :) |
| 02:37:48 | kugel | hehe |
| 02:37:59 | andrewRB | thanks for the help earlier guys, i've got everything working how I want now :) |
| 02:38:09 | Guest81124 | i hope im clear about my question.. instead of it playing the song it says "Erase dynamic Playlist" |
| 02:38:51 | JdGordon_ | so turn that setting off |
| 02:39:04 | JdGordon_ | or press select and it will magically go away |
| 02:39:05 | JdGordon_ | the manual is a great read... |
| 02:40:08 | Guest81124 | i understand it will go away.. but i don't want to dynamically erase the playlist everytime i want to hear a different song |
| 02:40:52 | Guest81124 | it does take quite a while to do that everytime |
| 02:41:14 | Guest81124 | Let me know if im making sense or just talking crazy talk |
| 02:41:30 | JdGordon_ | thats what going into the database does... you need to find the song in the playlist viewer otherwise |
| 02:42:46 | Guest81124 | JdGordon.. yes that worked.. don't know why i dind't get that earlier |
| 02:45:35 | Guest81124 | I'm not sure if your a developer, but just a suggestion according to my experience, the music icon should be beside playlist, and it should open up the playlist immidiatly instead of showing you ""create/ view/ save" subcategories |
| 02:45:45 | Guest81124 | sorry my spelling not so good |
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| 02:47:54 | Guest81124 | also why isn't there an option to start directly at the playlist when you turn on rockbox? |
| 02:49:27 | Guest81124 | i would assume ill be spending most of my time in the playlist, therefor it should be more easily accessible. if others are using rockbox in defferent fassion please share cause i love the software just don't understand why some things where done the way they were |
| 02:50:12 | andrewRB | the way I use it, i never use the database or playlists, i simply choose an album and play it |
| 02:50:28 | kugel | Guest81124: there's such an option. |
| 02:50:45 | Guest81124 | choose an album from where in the menu? |
| 02:50:52 | andrewRB | the file browser |
| 02:51:45 | Guest81124 | the only thing i see wrong with that is "sub directories" and maybe "lack of TAG's" |
| 02:52:08 | andrewRB | well both of those are simply matters of organising your music collection |
| 02:52:17 | Guest81124 | that is true:) |
| 02:52:32 | kugel | Guest66974: rockbox saves the playlist where you left off. so, hitting play or setting the start screen to wps just plays the last playlist |
| 02:53:49 | Guest81124 | i don't believe i have a wps start screen option |
| 02:54:18 | Guest81124 | i have a Resume playback im assuming is the same thing |
| 02:55:47 | andrewRB | JdGordon: well, i've got ACTION_LIST_PLAY, ACTION_LIST_SKIPPREV, ACTION_LIST_SKIPNEXT, and ACTION_LIST_NEXTDIR working, any suggestions about seeking? The wps function for seeking is pretty complicated =/ |
| 02:56:15 | kugel | Guest81124: settings->general settings->system->start screen |
| 02:56:20 | JdGordon | seeking is not something that imo belongs outside of the wps |
| 02:56:32 | andrewRB | yeah that is probably true |
| 02:57:46 | kugel | especially not with the progressbar slider feature |
| 02:57:56 | andrewRB | see, one of the reasons I am doing this is so the player can be used with a broken touch screen |
| 02:59:52 | kugel | ouch |
| 02:59:59 | Guest81124 | my "playlist" seems to run slower then my "Database" in terms of browsing. also the database seems to be the desired way fro me to choose songs. |
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| 03:00:17 | andrewRB | which iPod is this, Guest81124? |
| 03:00:23 | kugel | what's "my playlist" |
| 03:00:43 | kugel | the playlist viewer is indeed a lot slower, not sure about the playlist browser |
| 03:00:44 | Guest81124 | playlist in the menu screen |
| 03:00:56 | kugel | I don't mean that |
| 03:03:26 | JdGordon | yes, thats expected |
| 03:03:49 | Guest81124 | About the suggestion earlier about using "Files" to choose your song. it still asks to erase Dynamic memory which is a long process if done many times throught the day |
| 03:04:50 | JdGordon | the *only* way you can change songs without erasing the playlist is to use the playlist viewer, or add the song to the playlist... |
| 03:05:00 | Guest81124 | so the only way to play a song immidiatly withought "erasing dynamic playlist" (not memore) is through "playlist" |
| 03:05:28 | Guest81124 | lol ok were on the same track JdGordon |
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| 03:08:40 | andrewRB | i have never seen any message about dynamic playlists |
| 03:08:46 | kugel | Guest81124: what target are you on? |
| 03:09:05 | Guest81124 | im not familiar with targets |
| 03:09:11 | andrewRB | which iPod |
| 03:09:13 | kugel | your dap |
| 03:09:15 | Guest81124 | video |
| 03:09:20 | Guest81124 | 5.5g |
| 03:09:55 | kugel | Guest81124: press select+down to view the current playlist |
| 03:11:25 | kugel | anyway, this warning is clearly not made for people using the database, I'd just turn it off if I were you |
| 03:12:58 | Guest81124 | Well in that case Ill just put it out there that i think it would be awesome if i could select songs through the "Database" by hitting "select" on the song. Even if it addedit as a "Insert Next" but play instantly is more desirable. I say this cause (a)database runs quicker then playlist, and (B)Data base use "TAGS" and (C) it has the "music icon" :) |
| 03:13:06 | Guest81124 | thanks kugel i definitly will |
| 03:13:23 | Guest81124 | and thank you for the excelent support |
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| 03:13:48 | kugel | Guest66974: the database *does play* the song if you hit select on it |
| 03:14:07 | kugel | Guest81124: ^ |
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| 03:15:28 | kugel | I still don't know what you mean with playlist, you actually mean the file browser? |
| 03:15:46 | Guest81124 | but it needs to "Erase Dynamic Playlist" which takes lon.. no? |
| 03:16:18 | Guest81124 | "PLaylists" located in the root menu |
| 03:16:24 | kugel | go to the settings and turn it off, so that it never comes up again |
| 03:16:53 | Guest81124 | yes but i have to wait for it to make a new playlist everytime i select a song |
| 03:17:09 | kugel | sure it plays the whole "folder" |
| 03:17:57 | kugel | also, turn dircache on to speed up any sort of browsing |
| 03:18:54 | kugel | settings->general settings->system->disk |
| 03:19:16 | Guest81124 | will do |
| 03:20:03 | Dhraakellian | could I get someone to look at a one-liner patch for Sudoku on the Fuze? I'm getting tired of doing my own builds just so that I can have a non-combo scratchpad button. |
| 03:22:40 | Guest81124 | kugel: turning on the DirCache definitly made me like "Playlists" a lot better. |
| 03:27:11 | kugel | I think I never browsed by playlists |
| 03:27:31 | kugel | viewing the catalog shows me "no playlists" ;p |
| 03:28:40 | Guest81124 | I really hate to bring it up. but it still baffels me why choosing songs on Database doesn't just switch to the song in the current playlist which would remove the need to constanttly "remove dynamic playlist" |
| 03:28:47 | * | Dhraakellian never really saw the point of premade playlists for general album listening when adding entire albums/folders to the current/dynamic playlist is so easy |
| 03:29:36 | Guest81124 | baffels me even more now that you say that you never browse by playlist |
| 03:29:47 | andrewRB | i've never used playlists either |
| 03:29:57 | andrewRB | i really don't understand the reason to use them? |
| 03:30:31 | Guest81124 | so every time you choose a new song to listen to you have to make a new dynamic playlist? |
| 03:30:44 | Guest81124 | man i must be missing out on something |
| 03:30:47 | andrewRB | when i want to listen to something i simply select it, and it plays |
| 03:30:55 | kugel | Guest81124: every queue by the database is a dynamic playlist |
| 03:31:00 | andrewRB | (by select it, i mean, in the file browser) |
| 03:31:25 | kugel | you always gonna destroy a dynamic one if you choose another song/playlist and the previous comes from the database |
| 03:31:35 | kugel | query* |
| 03:32:44 | Guest81124 | andrew i don't know why but before it would create a new playlist if i choose a song from file |
| 03:32:54 | Guest81124 | but now it seems to work fine |
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| 03:33:07 | Guest81124 | and i can see why you would say that you don't know why to use playlists |
| 03:34:13 | andrewRB | the way i see it is the "dynamic playlist" is just the songs which are currently playing. So when you select a file in the browser, the "dynamic playlist" changes to the contents of whatever folder you selected from. |
| 03:34:35 | Guest81124 | yes |
| 03:34:41 | andrewRB | i don't really see how else you would expect it to work |
| 03:34:56 | Guest81124 | can i shuffle the songs if i choose them through file browser? |
| 03:35:03 | Guest81124 | i thought i had shuffle turned on |
| 03:35:10 | andrewRB | yes, the songs in the folder you are playing from |
| 03:35:23 | Dhraakellian | Rockbox's use of "dynamic playlist" confused me a bit, since I'm more used to Amarok's use of the term (which refers to auto-generated "party mode" playlists) |
| 03:35:30 | Guest81124 | ahhh |
| 03:36:00 | ej0rge | Might be nice if you could 'play' a whole directory recursively |
| 03:36:08 | ej0rge | maybe an option in the context menu |
| 03:36:19 | andrewRB | you can, what do you mean? |
| 03:36:25 | ej0rge | oh, I see that now |
| 03:36:25 | Guest81124 | lol |
| 03:36:31 | ej0rge | "playlist" |
| 03:36:41 | Dhraakellian | http://www.rockbox.org/tracker/task/10459 <−−changes the sudoku scratchpad button on the Fuze from select+up to just select. Opinions? |
| 03:36:44 | ej0rge | what do i look like, a guy who reads manuals or something? |
| 03:36:56 | andrewRB | ... |
| 03:37:01 | Guest81124 | good one andrew |
| 03:38:11 | * | Dhraakellian has been using the one-liner patch for a while now and hasn't had a problem with it (well, other than occasional relapses to e200-trained muscle memory trying to get to the menu and toggling a number on the scratchpad instead) |
| 03:38:23 | andrewRB | any D2 owners online? |
| 03:38:32 | Guest81124 | so wheres the option so i can just shuffle through all the songs in all the directories? |
| 03:38:44 | Guest81124 | through file browser |
| 03:39:06 | Guest81124 | well sheffel through all the songs in the sub-directories |
| 03:39:40 | andrewRB | settings->playback settings->Auto-Change Directory |
| 03:40:04 | andrewRB | (presumably you would pick random) |
| 03:40:07 | Guest81124 | AMAZING |
| 03:40:47 | * | andrewRB hopes nobody gets a hernia |
| 03:41:14 | Guest81124 | i think i am ' |
| 03:41:28 | ej0rge | andrewRB: just wait until he discovers "follow playlist" |
| 03:41:47 | Guest81124 | ssshhhhhh |
| 03:44:02 | andrewRB | JdGordon: I'm a little confused, I seem to have got seeking to work in the list context, but i don't understand *why* it works. care to take a look? http://pastebin.com/m6944673d |
| 03:45:04 | andrewRB | specifically, as ffwd_rew() is in wps.c, why can i call it from list.c without complications? |
| 03:46:16 | * | kugel slaps JdGordon |
| 03:47:30 | kugel | Dhraakellian: I'll have a look (maybe, can't promise anything) |
| 03:47:36 | Guest81124 | *sd |
| 03:47:43 | * | Guest81124 hello |
| 03:47:44 | Dhraakellian | thanks |
| 03:47:57 | * | Guest81124 JUST DISCOVERED FOLLOW PLAYLIST |
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| 03:49:21 | * | andrewRB wonders if people should be forced to quote random excerpts from the manual for their target before being allowed to download rockbox |
| 03:49:24 | kugel | JdGordon: we have two statusbar callbacks :( |
| 03:59:49 | kugel | JdGordon: one in statusbar.c (gui_statusbar_changed(), directly passed to CHOICE_SETTING in settings_list.c), and one in display_menu.c (statusbar_callback()). Can you tell the difference? It seems removing the latter doesn't change anything |
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| 04:00:42 | JdGordon | the one in display_menu is for the setting change.. doesnt that one trigger the other one? |
| 04:00:54 | kugel | no |
| 04:01:16 | kugel | the other one is alawys triggered (in quickscreen also); even twice it seems |
| 04:01:39 | JdGordon | andrewRB: you need to add a ffwd_rew(ACTION_WPS_SEEKSTOP); call when you want to stop seeking |
| 04:01:44 | kugel | I'm not sure what ACTION_EXIT_MENUITEM stands for though |
| 04:02:01 | JdGordon | thats what happens when the setting is exited |
| 04:02:48 | JdGordon | yes, it triggers the event then |
| 04:02:49 | andrewRB | JdGordon: do you mean ffwd_rew(ACTION_WPS_STOPSEEK); ? |
| 04:02:54 | kugel | indeed |
| 04:03:00 | JdGordon | it might be triggered elsewhere also |
| 04:03:03 | JdGordon | andrewRB: yes |
| 04:03:05 | kugel | the other one is also called when it exited |
| 04:03:53 | andrewRB | JdGordon: its already there. it is tested and works, so not entirely sure what you were getting at? |
| 04:04:14 | JdGordon | oh ok |
| 04:04:54 | JdGordon | kugel: oh right.... yes the one in display_menu should be removed |
| 04:05:34 | kugel | any idea why the other one is called twice when changing the value (not when exiting, also not in quickscreen)? |
| 04:05:55 | JdGordon | yes, the list calls it each time the selection is changed |
| 04:06:22 | kugel | but why is it called twice per selection change? |
| 04:06:52 | JdGordon | oh right... umm... thats what gdb is for :) |
| 04:07:38 | kugel | I tried that, same backtrace apparently |
| 04:08:02 | * | JdGordon is off... |
| 04:08:07 | JdGordon | i'm sure you'll figure it out :D |
| 04:08:19 | andrewRB | goodbye Jd, thanks for the help :) |
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| 04:27:18 | Guest81124 | hey guys. so i've been playing around with rockbox and i can't seem to get my rockbox to play random songs from all the sub directories when i chose the files from the "files" browser. I've turned on Recursively insert directories and also had a playlist with all the songs i want to shuffle through. Also i have follow playlist turned on.. whenever i click on a song from the "files" browser it would create a n |
| 04:28:19 | Guest81124 | therefor not let it shuffle through songs in the sub directories |
| 04:31:46 | andrewRB | in the file browser, on the root directory, open the context menu and select playlist->insert |
| 04:31:54 | andrewRB | then just have shuffle on |
| 04:34:54 | Guest81124 | alright.. so now when i wanna choose a different song to play from the file browser i get the "Erase dynamic playlist?" option. as apposed to just changing to the song in the current playlist |
| 04:35:32 | andrewRB | so why are you choosing a different song from the file browser rather than the current playlist? |
| 04:37:15 | andrewRB | from the WPS, open the context menu, select playlist, select view current playlist, and select the song you want there |
| 04:37:40 | Guest81124 | it's difficult to find a specific song in the current playlist. |
| 04:37:55 | andrewRB | ...search in playlist? |
| 04:38:45 | Guest81124 | in the "Database" you can find songs by many different criterias like artist. in "Files" you can search by folder |
| 04:38:55 | Guest81124 | in playlist it's just raw song after song |
| 04:39:01 | andrewRB | ok... |
| 04:39:23 | andrewRB | i really don't understand what you want |
| 04:39:36 | andrewRB | i mean, if i want to play everything randomly, that is what i do |
| 04:39:48 | andrewRB | if i want to play a specific song/album, i select it |
| 04:39:54 | Guest81124 | i know and i don't want to become to much of a bother |
| 04:40:09 | andrewRB | no it's fine, i just can't comprehend what you are trying to do |
| 04:42:03 | Guest81124 | when i used my ipod firmware it would play all the songs in a shuffel. if in the middle of a song i decided i wanted to play a song from the artist "TOOL" i could just search in artists. similar to "Database" and it would play instantaneously |
| 04:42:30 | Guest81124 | while maintaining the shuffle of all the songs in my ipod |
| 04:44:38 | Guest81124 | i really hope im making some sense |
| 04:44:47 | andrewRB | i think so |
| 04:44:52 | andrewRB | gimme a sec to test something |
| 04:45:08 | andrewRB | (as i don't use shuffle, i have to check) |
| 04:50:22 | andrewRB | ugh |
| 04:50:35 | andrewRB | can't test it, actually, sorry. i can't find my sd card |
| 04:50:53 | Guest81124 | thats poo poo:( |
| 04:51:19 | andrewRB | but i'm pretty sure you can't do what you want unless you search within the currently playing playlist |
| 04:51:44 | Guest81124 | ya im pretty sure too.. |
| 04:51:51 | andrewRB | selecting anything from the file browser or database creates a new dynamic playlist, because that is usually what is expected |
| 04:52:02 | andrewRB | when you select a song, you expect the song after it to play |
| 04:52:09 | Guest81124 | i would expect my way actualy |
| 04:52:36 | Guest81124 | wait no you might be right |
| 04:53:43 | andrewRB | i think it is a difference between iPods and the majority of other music players - iPods automatically play through the entire collection, whereas most others play whatever folder or album you select |
| 04:54:21 | andrewRB | i mean, rockbox can do that too, auto advance to the next folder when it gets to the end of one |
| 04:54:51 | andrewRB | but the dynamic playlist doesn't contain everything you have on the device |
| 04:55:07 | andrewRB | and shuffle only shuffles within the DPL |
| 04:55:31 | Guest81124 | well theres one way of doign it but its a little lengthy |
| 04:55:45 | andrewRB | ? |
| 04:56:30 | Guest81124 | going to the context menu and clicking insert next |
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| 04:56:48 | andrewRB | ah |
| 04:56:50 | andrewRB | well yeah |
| 04:56:52 | Guest81124 | which i guess is the solution ill have to bear with |
| 04:56:57 | andrewRB | if you have everything in the DPL |
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| 04:57:18 | andrewRB | and want a specific song to play, but not erase the playlist |
| 04:57:21 | andrewRB | find that song |
| 04:57:23 | Guest81124 | yes |
| 04:57:26 | andrewRB | open context menu |
| 04:57:48 | andrewRB | playlist -> insert |
| 04:57:52 | andrewRB | is that right? |
| 04:58:38 | Guest81124 | ya |
| 04:59:02 | andrewRB | or playlist-> play next |
| 04:59:04 | andrewRB | then skip |
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| 05:01:03 | andrewRB | kugel: is there any way to map an action to pressing two keys simultaneously? |
| 05:01:17 | Guest81124 | last question.. |
| 05:01:27 | Guest81124 | how do i rate my song? |
| 05:01:37 | Guest81124 | i guess ill look in the manual for that one :) |
| 05:01:38 | andrewRB | rate? |
| 05:02:18 | Guest81124 | under Database you have a user rating option |
| 05:02:26 | andrewRB | huh |
| 05:02:28 | andrewRB | wow |
| 05:02:44 | andrewRB | been using rockbox for four years, only just noticed that |
| 05:03:03 | Guest81124 | :) |
| 05:05:09 | andrewRB | can you tell me what, if any, actions require you to press more than one key at once please? (i don't own an iPod) |
| 05:06:17 | Guest81124 | except for debugging nothing i know of |
| 05:06:56 | Guest81124 | maybe not debugging exactly but if you brick your ipod or something |
| 05:07:34 | andrewRB | yeah, i meant within rockbox though |
| 05:09:47 | Guest81124 | oh |
| 05:10:16 | Guest81124 | sometimes my rockbox doesn't turn on . unless i press a compination of select and another one |
| 05:10:23 | Guest81124 | and to quit some games |
| 05:10:46 | Guest81124 | *combination |
| 05:10:50 | andrewRB | could you clarify that please? which plugin, and what do you press? |
| 05:11:15 | andrewRB | (i'm trying to find what i want in the keymap file and the manual but failing) |
| 05:12:11 | Guest81124 | for instance "snake" under "games" need to press select and menu to quit |
| 05:12:18 | andrewRB | thanks |
| 05:12:22 | andrewRB | lemme check that out |
| 05:13:36 | andrewRB | ahhhh |
| 05:13:39 | andrewRB | BUTTON_SELECT|BUTTON_MENU |
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| 05:13:55 | Guest81124 | i see yourt coding |
| 05:14:08 | Guest81124 | and or i believe |
| 05:14:35 | andrewRB | ? |
| 05:15:11 | Guest81124 | thats code you tyed out 'BUTTON_SELECT|BUTTON_MENU' |
| 05:16:01 | Guest81124 | ive coded before and it brings back good memories. |
| 05:17:19 | Guest81124 | if your bored or have extra time you could check out some of my art.. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_3x7G8LQ-Zc .. i did all the art and player coding for the sidescroller that flashes by |
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| 05:20:07 | Igoooorrrr | Hello, I have rockbox running on an iriver H340. How would I go about removing the original firmware entirely so that the player always boots into rockbox? I have it connected in my car, so every time I turn the engine on, it starts the original firmware charging screen. |
| 05:20:52 | andrewRB | modify the bootloader |
| 05:21:32 | Igoooorrrr | Can you be a bit more specific? Modify it to remove the original firmware entirely? |
| 05:22:15 | andrewRB | what do you currently do to boot rockbox? |
| 05:22:22 | Guest81124 | i gtg . thank you sincerly andrewRB.. You absolutly helped me a lot! best wishes to you. |
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| 05:23:01 | Igoooorrrr | It boots to rockbox by default when I hold down the play button, but I can still boot to the original firmware if I hold down play and circle. |
| 05:23:33 | andrewRB | what if you hold no key? |
| 05:23:39 | andrewRB | oh, wait, ignore that |
| 05:23:50 | andrewRB | the play key is the power button, i take it |
| 05:23:56 | Igoooorrrr | yes |
| 05:24:22 | Igoooorrrr | However, if I plug it in, it automatically launches the original firmware charging screen, and I can't boot to rockbox from that, only to the original firmware. |
| 05:24:49 | andrewRB | hmmm, how do you install rockbox on it? I mean, does it require the OF upgrade mechanism? |
| 05:26:41 | Igoooorrrr | I'm not too familliar with the terminology you guys use, but if I remember correctly, I modified the original firmware with the utility off the RB site. |
| 05:27:26 | andrewRB | perhaps, patched the iriver firmware with the rockbox bootloader? |
| 05:27:34 | Igoooorrrr | yes, that was it |
| 05:27:44 | andrewRB | if that is the case, i would hazard a guess there is no way to remove the iriver firmware entirely |
| 05:29:37 | andrewRB | of course, i've never owned or worked on the iriver, so i am just guessing, but that sounds pretty similar to my D2 |
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| 05:43:32 | evilwombat | does rockbox even have a charging screen on the h300 / |
| 05:43:33 | evilwombat | ? |
| 05:48:35 | Igoooorrrr | Not really. If you try to shut it down while plugged in, it says "Battery: Charging" and doesn't shut down. |
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| 05:54:41 | evilwombat | It's the original FW being stupid? |
| 05:54:49 | evilwombat | I figure enough other people must have had this issue |
| 05:54:56 | Igoooorrrr | it's not really an "issue" |
| 05:55:03 | evilwombat | anyone else here run H100 / H300 ? |
| 05:55:12 | Igoooorrrr | it comes up in my case because of the specifics of how i use the iriver |
| 05:57:49 | evilwombat | well, i am sure other people at least have run into it |
| 05:57:56 | evilwombat | it's a pretty BASIC issue that needs to be fixed |
| 05:58:00 | evilwombat | replace the charging screen |
| 05:58:14 | evilwombat | and go into the proper firmware when charger is removed |
| 05:58:34 | Igoooorrrr | well |
| 05:58:46 | Igoooorrrr | i would think the fastest fix is when the charger is inserted, boot to rockbox |
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| 06:00:54 | evilwombat | yeah |
| 06:01:00 | evilwombat | but you don't know who is responsible for that |
| 06:01:12 | evilwombat | which 'code' starts when charger is plugged in? |
| 06:01:19 | evilwombat | probably original iriver bootstrap thingy |
| 06:01:34 | evilwombat | the one that is patched to look at the Rec / hold button and decide what to load |
| 06:01:50 | evilwombat | well, the charger aspect of it doesn't seem to be patched by fwpatch |
| 06:02:09 | Igoooorrrr | i imagine it is not trivial to mess with the original firmware |
| 06:02:30 | evilwombat | i suppose not, but they've done it |
| 06:02:39 | evilwombat | i imagine this is a pretty weird boot situation |
| 06:02:45 | Igoooorrrr | yeah, but i doubt they'd want to mess with it anymore |
| 06:02:46 | evilwombat | ie, no power -> power -> what runs? |
| 06:02:51 | evilwombat | it's all just a guess, but prolly a decent one |
| 06:03:07 | evilwombat | submit a feature request? |
| 06:04:06 | evilwombat | what happens if you use a USB charger instead of DC In ? |
| 06:04:11 | Igoooorrrr | uhh |
| 06:04:27 | Igoooorrrr | if i recall, it won't play and run at the same time |
| 06:04:30 | Igoooorrrr | er |
| 06:04:32 | Igoooorrrr | play and charge |
| 06:04:36 | Igoooorrrr | via usb |
| 06:04:48 | evilwombat | oh... lame? |
| 06:04:48 | Igoooorrrr | i remember having to wait for the car charger to arrive, and i believe that was the reason |
| 06:04:57 | evilwombat | oh |
| 06:04:59 | evilwombat | Hmmm |
| 06:05:04 | evilwombat | well |
| 06:05:16 | evilwombat | if you can get your hands on the on button, i know of a way\ |
| 06:05:18 | evilwombat | OR |
| 06:05:33 | evilwombat | does attaching USB power wake it up and send it into rockbox? |
| 06:06:46 | Igoooorrrr | "if you can get your hands on the on button"? |
| 06:06:52 | Igoooorrrr | um |
| 06:06:53 | Igoooorrrr | lemme find out |
| 06:06:57 | Igoooorrrr | but i dont think so |
| 06:07:10 | evilwombat | find out. |
| 06:07:23 | Igoooorrrr | it goes into "bootloader usb mode" |
| 06:07:35 | Igoooorrrr | rockbox's |
| 06:07:35 | evilwombat | ie, ROCKBOX |
| 06:07:38 | Igoooorrrr | yes |
| 06:07:47 | evilwombat | is it usb power, or usb -> PC ? |
| 06:08:12 | Igoooorrrr | it connects it to my pc |
| 06:08:26 | evilwombat | what if you just give it 5V via USB ? |
| 06:08:38 | evilwombat | ie, razr charger, or any of the other ones? |
| 06:08:54 | evilwombat | if you give it both, it may goto rockbox |
| 06:09:02 | Igoooorrrr | well |
| 06:09:11 | Igoooorrrr | i only have one power jack in my car for it :) |
| 06:09:18 | evilwombat | that's not a problem :) |
| 06:09:23 | evilwombat | find out of it will work |
| 06:09:32 | evilwombat | ie, get a plain USB 5V output |
| 06:09:34 | Igoooorrrr | so you want usb power |
| 06:09:35 | Igoooorrrr | ok |
| 06:09:38 | Igoooorrrr | give me one second |
| 06:09:41 | evilwombat | find one |
| 06:09:52 | evilwombat | or reach to computer, and unplug USB green and white, leaving only the power |
| 06:10:25 | evilwombat | USB needs little current - you essentially just want to wake the fucker up. |
| 06:10:38 | evilwombat | so you can split off the car charger and get it down to 5V easily |
| 06:10:43 | evilwombat | ie, one part |
| 06:11:01 | evilwombat | just verify that only having the power is enough |
| 06:12:05 | evilwombat | if it does, i will explain the rest |
| 06:12:06 | Igoooorrrr | still goes into bootloader usb mode |
| 06:12:13 | evilwombat | ok |
| 06:12:21 | evilwombat | so with that plugged in, attach the regular charger. |
| 06:12:40 | evilwombat | then, unplug usb power. |
| 06:13:07 | Igoooorrrr | that does make it boot into rockbox, yes |
| 06:13:12 | evilwombat | HHHHMMMMM |
| 06:13:22 | Igoooorrrr | this... seems needlessly complex |
| 06:13:25 | evilwombat | I am thinking of a lulzy circuit. |
| 06:13:31 | evilwombat | hop back on aim - no need this on irc |
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| 06:27:20 | evilwombat | yeah, patched iriver fw to boot rockbox when DC is attached would definitely be nicer than having to make a PIC your timing bitch |
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| 10:05:35 | Unhelpful | hm? |
| 10:06:13 | n1s | I was cheering for reduction in code duplication :) |
| 10:06:38 | Unhelpful | ah. indeed. i touched lcd.h though, probably why the build is running long |
| 10:07:20 | Unhelpful | i think that i can rename it to lcd-common.c and also roll in the scroll_fn from the charcell driver... maybe. hopefully without making too much #ifdef hell |
| 10:08:16 | Unhelpful | hm, i didn't get any positive deltas on targets i test-built for :/ |
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| 10:24:20 | Unhelpful | even more odd, bloat-o-meter shows 0 difference between the two revisions on M3 |
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| 12:24:57 | BdN3504 | quick question: how do i checkout 3.3 using the svn checkout command with the -r parameter? would it be "-r 2009-19-06" ? |
| 12:25:23 | gevaerts | no. You check out the 3.3 branch |
| 12:26:35 | BdN3504 | how do i do that? |
| 12:27:53 | BdN3504 | is it 21335? as mentioned here: http://svn.rockbox.org/viewvc.cgi/branches/ ? |
| 12:28:01 | Unhelpful | why exactly do you want to? if you want to work on the source, you really should be using svn trunk... otherwise any patches you generate probably won't apply. |
| 12:28:18 | Unhelpful | BdN3504: no, the branch is not a particular revision. |
| 12:28:36 | gevaerts | see the -dev list, one or two weeks before the release. There's an announcement mail that tells you what to do |
| 12:30:51 | BdN3504 | Unhelpful: i want to create a test build. i made one using r22090 and one person reported an error that was not due to the patch but another issue with that revision. |
| 12:31:15 | BdN3504 | so i thought i'd go with the release and patch that, so there's less room for errors |
| 12:32:22 | BdN3504 | thanks for the help though |
| 12:34:10 | BdN3504 | if anyone else is looking for the info on how to check out 3.3 you'll find it here: http://www.rockbox.org/mail/archive/rockbox-dev-archive-2009-06/0048.shtml |
| 12:34:27 | * | gevaerts happens to know :) |
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| 14:00:57 | Unhelpful | gevaerts: i see that appsversion is in plugin api, iriver_flash ought to use it |
| 14:01:30 | gevaerts | Unhelpful: ignore me. The line in iriver_flash that uses it is commented out |
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| 14:35:26 | pyro_maniac | i don't know if its a bug but my e250 seems to charge to 99% in OF and only to 94% in rockbox. is this a known thing? |
| 14:40:29 | pyro_maniac | funman: ping |
| 14:40:58 | funman | pong |
| 14:41:47 | pyro_maniac | i tried to disassemble the the yh920 bootloader more |
| 14:42:36 | pyro_maniac | but i am got stucked |
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| 14:43:50 | pyro_maniac | i think i have found a place where DEV_INIT1 and PLL_CONTROL gets sets but i am not sure and i don't know if i am on the right way |
| 14:45:22 | pyro_maniac | this is all in the codec test |
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| 14:46:26 | kugel | o/ |
| 14:47:14 | funman | pyro_maniac: what aren't you sure about? |
| 14:48:46 | pyro_maniac | are DEV_INIT1 and PLL_CONTROL hints for a codec activation? i am no hardware hacker so i have never seen this before |
| 14:49:04 | pyro_maniac | and in the codec code only GPIOs are mantioned |
| 14:50:52 | funman | no idea, i don't know PP |
| 14:51:03 | kugel | neither I do |
| 14:51:42 | pyro_maniac | are we so addicted to low_light :-) |
| 14:51:52 | tmzt | PLL_CONTROL would be related the clock |
| 14:52:37 | kugel | pyro_maniac: trial & error is successful sometimes, did you try to just run the code you see there? |
| 14:53:17 | pyro_maniac | no i had enough problems to get there and understand it |
| 14:53:42 | pyro_maniac | but this entire test function may be helpful to run |
| 14:54:10 | pyro_maniac | there are also hdd, lcd and flash test functions in the bootloader |
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| 15:08:41 | pyro_maniac | kugel, funman: could you take a look at this codec test? |
| 15:09:11 | kugel | in the disassembly? |
| 15:09:18 | kugel | i don't think so :( |
| 15:09:53 | BdN3504 | What does this error mean, when i try to compile? "structure has no member named `strlcpy' " was strlcpy introduced only a short time ago? is it part of lua or something? |
| 15:10:36 | BdN3504 | using vmware image debian distribution |
| 15:11:58 | pyro_maniac | kugel: no time? |
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| 15:14:41 | kugel | too lazy :/ |
| 15:15:09 | kugel | I'm a novice in that area anyway |
| 15:15:12 | pyro_maniac | kugel: my hope was to find a fix for the no sound problem on the yh920 |
| 15:16:39 | kugel | yea |
| 15:16:58 | n1s | BdN3504: it means that you try to access a struct member called strlcpy that doesn't exist; it was added to the plugin api a few weeks ago |
| 15:17:13 | n1s | so i recommend a svn up |
| 15:20:57 | BdN3504 | aha ok, but i am trying to include a patch into 3.3 to upload a test build. would i have to rewrite the patch using strcpy? or can i update 3.3 to only contain that plugin api change? |
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| 15:21:55 | n1s | 3.3 doesn't have strlcpy so you'd have to add the function too, using strncpy instead should be pretty easy |
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| 15:34:00 | tmzt | can someone comment if rockbox uses libgcc.a or an equivalent (such as a custom one)? |
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| 15:36:12 | BdN3504 | essentially i can simply replace strlcpy with strncpy, right? i know that the string that has to be copied won't be too long, so this won't cause any problems. that's the only advantage of strlcpy to strncp, right? |
| 15:37:45 | Creposucre | Hi |
| 15:38:05 | pyro_maniac1 | BdN3504: i remember that the strlcp explicitly replaces the strncp |
| 15:39:00 | pyro_maniac1 | there is a lib or a include missing i think |
| 15:39:00 | BdN3504 | pyro_maniac1: so you know which patch i'm talking about... did it cause any problems? |
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| 15:39:51 | pyro_maniac1 | there was a big strcpy and strncpy replace patch for plugins i think |
| 15:40:01 | Creposucre | n1s: (about FS 10494) i finally managed to remove everything from the generic radio code, except handling for tuner disconnect |
| 15:40:15 | linuxstb | tmzt: Yes, Rockbox uses libgcc.a |
| 15:41:22 | BdN3504 | yes, i understood that by what nls has said. nvm though, it works for the patch i am concerned with. |
| 15:41:42 | Creposucre | I haven't posted the patch yet, i would like to know if anyone has an idea ho/where I can refresh the root menu |
| 15:43:16 | n1s | Creposucre: sounds good, as little target specific code as possible in the generic app code is prefered, JdGordon is probably the man to ask about the menu |
| 15:43:48 | Creposucre | ok |
| 15:44:14 | BdN3504 | thanks for the help guys |
| 15:44:21 | Creposucre | about the code, i still have a strange behavior when i want to change the region settings |
| 15:44:32 | Creposucre | and mono mode |
| 15:44:44 | Creposucre | it gets stuck and loops in it |
| 15:45:31 | pyro_maniac1 | kugel: the yh925 bootloader also got this test functions but i think with some different values. i thought this may be the key. |
| 15:45:42 | Creposucre | is this a general bug? |
| 15:47:00 | Creposucre | basically, it does that everytime that i go in a sub menu in settings mode |
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| 16:06:56 | tmzt | linuxstb: ah thanks, for the kernel components or just the .rock files? |
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| 16:49:39 | funman | tmzt: i believe all object files (isn't libgcc.a automatically linked by gcc?) |
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| 16:58:44 | pamaury | gevearts: did you have time to test the usb driver ? |
| 16:58:45 | funman | do you have advices for the phone conversation i'll have with AMS in 2 hours? |
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| 17:00:10 | pyro_maniac1 | pamaury: you should exchange e and a in the name |
| 17:00:36 | pamaury | gevaerts: did you have time to test the usb driver ? |
| 17:00:40 | pamaury | thanks :) |
| 17:02:33 | bertrik | funman, be honest and polite, but make it very clear what we want |
| 17:02:43 | bertrik | what do we want exactly? the datasheet, I suppose? |
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| 17:09:15 | pamaury | funman: I submit a patch to fix the const correctness of usb_serial_send, can you have a look at it ? (that's really annoying to have compiler warnings about that) (FS #10519) |
| 17:09:38 | gevaerts | pamaury: not yet. I'll try to find some time later today |
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| 17:10:50 | pamaury | gevearts: ok, I really don't see what make this driver fails. Perhaps there is a fundamental difference between ums and "normal" usb |
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| 17:14:14 | funman | bertrik: right |
| 17:16:49 | bertrik | it also helps if we can find some kind of common interest, but I can't think of any right now |
| 17:17:57 | bertrik | as far as I know, we have been able to keep the as3525 datasheet private until they released it themselves, so you can mention that to show we can be trusted (don't emphasize it too much though) |
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| 17:21:54 | funman | i already did it in the previous email |
| 17:22:03 | funman | his answer was short, i think i'll start by asking him to elaborate on it |
| 17:22:24 | funman | "I think the specification for our device (AS353x series) might not give you additional information about the chip you are searching for." |
| 17:23:18 | funman | perhaps there is a misunderstanding, because i contacted the linux/uboot porter for as353x (ams employee), about the specific SD controller |
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| 18:02:26 | amiconn | gevaerts: Is usb serial specified for high speed? Afair full speed has a lower packet size limit |
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| 18:29:58 | kugel | it can't have a top item because the buttons behave weird when the lcd is flipped (re FS #9706) |
| 18:31:30 | kugel | there's also 1 or more remotes that have weird buttons (and damn small screens anyway) so that they don't have a 4th item too |
| 18:31:59 | kugel | the small screen shouldn't be a problem though, clip is also fine |
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| 18:32:40 | kugel | bugger... |
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| 18:43:24 | gibbon_ | i could not find any documentation about the iPod accessory bus anywhere... and i don't really know if this term really refers to the thing i am looking for |
| 18:44:25 | gibbon_ | i am trying to find out, if equipment, connected to the "additional 4pin port" near the headphones might work with rockbox ... more specifically the remote that sometimes came with the iPod 3G |
| 18:44:37 | Torne | It might |
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| 18:45:00 | Torne | not sure if we have IAP support for the 3G serial port |
| 18:45:09 | Torne | we do for some accessories on the dock serial port on later models. |
| 18:45:53 | Torne | Ah, that look slike a no. |
| 18:45:59 | Torne | There's no serial driver for 3G afaict |
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| 18:47:31 | gibbon_ | Torne: i want to use this remote with the mini 1st gen |
| 18:47:40 | gibbon_ | the 3rg gen is long gone ... :/ |
| 18:48:13 | Torne | Oh |
| 18:48:24 | Torne | i dunno what the mini has |
| 18:48:24 | gibbon_ | http://cherryfusion.com/images/products/accessories/5925.jpg |
| 18:48:41 | gibbon_ | the device looks a lot like this, but does not connect to the dock, but the headphones |
| 18:48:52 | Torne | but ipod mini 1g in rockbox has no accessory protocol support |
| 18:48:56 | Torne | so i would guess it doesn't work |
| 18:49:14 | gibbon_ | i don'T even know which protocol this extra port talks and if its the same as the IAP in the dock |
| 18:49:23 | gibbon_ | oh... sad though. |
| 18:49:26 | gibbon_ | thanks anyway |
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| 18:49:38 | Torne | I doubt we know that either :) |
| 18:49:50 | Torne | The only accessory support we have on ipod is for stuff hat plugs into the dock connector |
| 18:50:04 | gibbon_ | mhm |
| 18:50:04 | Torne | I have no idea if htat's the same protocol as the extra port on the mini/3g |
| 18:50:06 | Torne | it might be, might not |
| 18:50:11 | Torne | but in any case nobody seems to have tried |
| 18:50:36 | gibbon_ | i would volunteer, if i were a better programmer |
| 18:50:46 | gibbon_ | i have the device but lack a lot of the skills ;) |
| 18:51:15 | gibbon_ | at least, there is some "accessory power" setting on the mini.. but i guess that does not say anything at all |
| 18:51:41 | Torne | No idea what pins that will be controlling power to |
| 18:51:45 | Torne | it may be the same pins on the dock connector |
| 18:51:53 | Torne | or it may be pins on the remote port |
| 18:52:05 | Torne | but that's jus a GPIO we know how to toggle on and off |
| 18:52:14 | Torne | supporting that doesn't mean we can support the actual communications |
| 18:52:17 | gibbon_ | ah, ok |
| 18:52:32 | gibbon_ | this at least toggles something on the remote port |
| 18:52:48 | Torne | oh? your accessorye turns on and off when you enable/disable it? |
| 18:52:50 | gibbon_ | i have a wireless remote that flashes a led on initialisation |
| 18:52:53 | Torne | Ah right |
| 18:53:00 | gibbon_ | on the apple OS at least |
| 18:53:21 | gibbon_ | this light is flashing continously when Accessory power is turned on in rockbox |
| 18:53:29 | Torne | Yah, it's probably rtying to talk to rockbox |
| 18:53:33 | Torne | and we're not listening. |
| 18:53:36 | gibbon_ | but only under some conditions that i had to reinvestigate |
| 18:53:47 | Torne | there's no sign of serial being supported on the mini. |
| 18:53:50 | Torne | sorry :( |
| 18:53:55 | gibbon_ | its really flashing very fast (like PWMed) |
| 18:54:02 | Torne | Yes, it's probably resetting itself :) |
| 18:54:06 | gibbon_ | nothing to be sorry about :) |
| 18:54:30 | Torne | Well I prefer when I can tell people "yes rockbox does that you just need to do such-and-such :) |
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| 18:56:18 | gibbon_ | the last thing about that before i get too off topic: rockbox really does nearly everything i want to do with my ipod and keeps me calm on long car rides... there would be nothing in this software that could set me up after what it has done for me :) |
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| 19:00:32 | gevaerts | amiconn: I'm not sure, but this shouldn't matter at all. pamaury tested with his own libusb-based code, and it didn't work then either, so this is not caused by weird driver interaction |
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| 19:26:08 | gevaerts | a 512 byte ringbuffer for USB serial is clearly not enough when enabling logf everywhere |
| 19:31:23 | gevaerts | ok, the usb-drv-arc driver is clearly not fully bug-free yet. I get "no prime" errors every now and then on c200 |
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| 20:33:16 | mt | Regarding the fixed-point conversion of libatrac, for the imdct the lib could use the exact same files in libcook (which is actually tremor's fixed point imdct) - I'm thinking that including those files for libatrac again wouldn't be a problem as they would be there just for the test program, and they wouldn't affect the core, any opinions on that ? |
| 20:36:52 | mt | linuxstb: ^^^ ? |
| 20:43:47 | domonoky | mt: if it is the same, would it make sense to put it into apps/codec/lib ? |
| 20:44:57 | mt | domonoky: There's already an mdct library in rockbox (same thing), I'm just including those files to be able to compile a standalone test program, outside rockbox. |
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| 20:47:45 | domonoky | cant you just link rockbox mdct lib into your standalone programm ? i think that would be better then to have multiple files with the same content around. (think of bug-fixes, which would have to be done at two place to fix rockbox and your standalone program) |
| 20:49:33 | mt | domonoky: I could try that, but we already have the same situation for cook, and it hasn't been a problem thus far. |
| 20:50:32 | domonoky | as its a external program, it isnt really a problem. But it would still be nicer :-) ofcoure then the cook standalone program should also do this... |
| 20:50:48 | CIA-6 | New commit by gevaerts (r22294): don't treat extremely quick transfers as errors |
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| 20:53:22 | jks | Has the sansa bootloader been updated for the 3.3 release? If I plug in my sansa when it is off the bootloader boots to the original sansa software and not rockbox |
| 20:55:30 | jks | I have a daily build from sometime in between the 3.2 and 3.3 releases |
| 20:58:48 | gevaerts | jks: there is a new bootloader, but it's not been moved to the correct place on the download server yet |
| 20:59:28 | jks | ok thanks |
| 20:59:56 | jks | will it be announced on the home page when it is published? |
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| 21:01:07 | gevaerts | I guess so, yes |
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| 21:06:16 | linuxstb | mt: What is the current situation for cook? That the main Rockbox codec is using the imdct from the codec lib, but the test program has its own? |
| 21:07:36 | mt | linuxstb: Yes. They are both tremor's fixed point imdct but the one in rockbox has some asm optimizations. |
| 21:08:09 | linuxstb | It would seem more useful for the test program to use the same code as the real codec - isn't that the point of the test program? |
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| 21:10:07 | mt | I guess it wouldn't really be of much benefit if they both used the same imdct. |
| 21:10:42 | gevaerts | Zagor: I think I know why ccache isn't helpful on build clients: -DAPPSVERSION=\"r22294-090813\" -DYEAR=2009 -DMONTH=08 -DDAY=13 |
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| 21:11:11 | mt | Although they are actually using nearly the same imdct but with one faster than the other. |
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| 21:11:29 | * | linuxstb needs to leave - back later... |
| 21:11:50 | saratoga | if the imdct version hasnt changed much, maybe a simple header could be added that defines the right things to use the rockbox codec lib imdct with the test programs |
| 21:12:04 | saratoga | id like anyone using those codecs on ARM to get the otpimized version |
| 21:13:07 | Zagor | gevaerts: doh! |
| 21:13:23 | mt | saratoga: Ah, good point. |
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| 21:14:29 | gevaerts | Zagor: only a few files actually use those defines : apps/main.c (APPSVERSION), firmware/drivers/fat.c, apps/menus/time_menu.c (YEAR, MONTH, and DATE) |
| 21:14:57 | Zagor | gevaerts: yes, we should pass those params only to those files |
| 21:15:08 | saratoga | ah so even faster building! |
| 21:15:24 | gevaerts | saratoga: faster, but less predictable :) |
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| 21:15:58 | saratoga | after a while each client should have everything cached right? |
| 21:17:17 | Zagor | saratoga: no. the new bestfit actually lowers the "randomness" of the build distribution |
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| 21:18:15 | Zagor | gevaerts: are you fixing this, or should I? |
| 21:18:37 | gevaerts | Zagor: I don't think I'm familiar enough with the build system for this |
| 21:18:43 | Zagor | ok |
| 21:19:11 | gevaerts | removing the defines for the general case is easy. Adding them for specific files probably less so :) |
| 21:19:47 | Zagor | yeah you need new rules for those files |
| 21:21:01 | Zagor | I'll fix it |
| 21:21:34 | gevaerts | I'll reinstall ccache on my client :) |
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| 21:25:48 | mt | How about this, to be able to link the mdct lib to external programs : http://www.pastie.org/583072 |
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| 21:27:47 | mt | This line (or something similar) should be added for the program's makefile/headers : -D"ROCKBOX_LITTLE_ENDIAN=1" -D"ICONST_ATTR=" -D"ICODE_ATTR=" |
| 21:28:10 | mt | (ROCKBOX_BIG/LITTLE_ENDIAN = 1) according to the target machine of course. |
| 21:30:20 | mt | domonoky, saratoga : ^^^ |
| 21:31:02 | saratoga | thats all it takes? |
| 21:31:19 | mt | Yes, surprisingly :) |
| 21:31:38 | saratoga | that sounds good |
| 21:31:59 | mt | ok, I'll commit the codeclib changes first then. |
| 21:32:00 | Zagor | I question the value of using build date in fat.c and time_menu.c |
| 21:32:05 | saratoga | maybe add a note to the readmes mentioning that they should define CPU_ARM (or whatever it is) if you are running on arm |
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| 21:32:40 | gevaerts | Zagor: I don't disagree. Any valid date should be fine. How about the date of the 1.0 release? |
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| 21:33:01 | Zagor | gevaerts: yeah I was thinking something like that |
| 21:33:50 | mt | saratoga: Where do you think such comment would go ? |
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| 21:34:08 | saratoga | into the readme file should be fine i think |
| 21:34:25 | saratoga | just say "enable arm optimizations on arm or this will be very slow" |
| 21:35:35 | JdGordon| | why on earth the the build date used in the code? |
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| 21:36:48 | mt | saratoga: Which readme file ? :) .. I wanted to write a general comment about linking the mdct lib to external programs. Or did you mean just adding this to atrac's & cook's readmes ? |
| 21:37:07 | saratoga | the individual ones |
| 21:37:17 | saratoga | since thats what most people will probably read |
| 21:38:08 | mt | "/docs/README" for example ? |
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| 21:40:11 | mt | apps/README points to docs/API −− can't find any other appropriate readmes there. |
| 21:40:51 | amiconn | Zagor, gevaerts: fat.c uses the build date on targets without rtc. Before that, it used a fixed date, but that was a rather bad solution |
| 21:41:21 | Zagor | amiconn: why is build date better than a fixed date? |
| 21:41:32 | amiconn | It's not a big problem when changing existing files, but when creating new ones. |
| 21:42:28 | amiconn | New files are created with that date. If it is fixed, it will further and further in the past over time |
| 21:42:42 | Zagor | what is the problem with that? |
| 21:43:47 | amiconn | You don't even remotely know how new a file is, even if you update rockbox regularly |
| 21:43:49 | JdGordon| | considering the date is goign to be wrong anyway, why not just use 0 for it? |
| 21:44:25 | amiconn | By using the build date it is guaranteed that a newly created file is never "older" than the rockbox build which created it |
| 21:44:40 | JdGordon| | why is that needed thoguh? |
| 21:44:43 | JdGordon| | either way, its wrong |
| 21:44:46 | JdGordon| | or misleading |
| 21:44:47 | Zagor | that may be logical to you, but not to a user |
| 21:45:35 | JdGordon| | I would guess that having the date come up as jan-1-1970 is more obvious to users whats happening than a date 3 months ago... |
| 21:45:51 | amiconn | Well you can't make it 100% without having an actual rtc. That shouldn't stop us from making it as good as possible |
| 21:45:58 | Zagor | these targets don't have a clock. hence the file dates on them will *always* be wrong. using a single fixed date for all files is thus _less_ confusing than setting different dates depending on whch version the user happened to have installled at the time |
| 21:47:29 | Zagor | various strange dates is not "as good as possible" in my opinion |
| 21:49:32 | pixelma | it at least gives you a hint when you recorded or saved it |
| 21:49:42 | amiconn | "DIR_WrtTime and DIR_WrtDate must be supported, however." from http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/pub/Main/DataSheets/FAT32Spec103.pdf |
| 21:49:50 | Zagor | pixelma: does it? how? |
| 21:50:02 | mt | saratoga: (question about 10 mins ago). |
| 21:51:01 | pixelma | well if it has a date of July 1st, you know it can't be from the meeting you recorded on July 15th |
| 21:51:08 | Zagor | in fact a 0 date would be more informative, since it would say that this file was created on the player rather than on the computer. a random date in the past year or two says nearly nothing |
| 21:51:09 | saratoga | mt: is it needed to say that we've linked the codeclib? |
| 21:51:26 | amiconn | pixelma: It can, if your rockbox build is from before July 1st |
| 21:51:34 | Zagor | pixelma: what? that's exactly what it can, with the current scheme |
| 21:52:20 | pixelma | huh, I'm confused now and am not sure anymore what you are talking about |
| 21:52:24 | amiconn | Zagor: A zero date (== 01 Jan 1980, 00:00) is not valid for the fields I menitoned. Such a date is e.g. displayed empty in the date+time column in windows explorer |
| 21:52:26 | mt | saratoga: Not that. I just wanted to write "To use the mdct lib outside rockbox do .... " in somewhere reachable by someone who is looking for such information. |
| 21:52:47 | amiconn | I know there are a few embedded systems which do this, but it's a violation of the fat specs |
| 21:53:00 | Zagor | amiconn: well, a token zero then. Jan 1990 00:00 is just as obvious |
| 21:53:16 | saratoga | you mean someone who wanted to use the codecs? |
| 21:53:20 | JdGordon| | yeah, any date that is obviously wrong would be better |
| 21:53:31 | JdGordon| | octember 32nd :) |
| 21:53:59 | pixelma | amiconn: it can but then I probably didn't record it on the player then... and I don't think I would create rec_0001.mp3s on the computer |
| 21:54:39 | mt | saratoga: No, someone who wants to use the mdct lib when porting a codec, unless such comment isn't necessary (opinions ? ). For cook and atrac I'll just add some comments to their readmes. |
| 21:54:51 | saratoga | i dont think that is neccessary |
| 21:55:11 | saratoga | it should be clear to anyone porting |
| 21:55:29 | Zagor | pixelma: did you mean to write june somewhere? |
| 21:55:55 | pixelma | yes, the last one |
| 21:56:18 | Zagor | in any case, the scheme assumes very frequent updates for any kind of usability |
| 21:56:55 | JdGordon| | a very bad idea could be to use the date+X of the newest file in the folder for new files... |
| 21:56:58 | Zagor | I maintain an obviously incorrect "symbolic" date is more useful and less confusing |
| 21:57:15 | * | Zagor throws pebbles at JdGordon |
| 21:57:21 | pixelma | well, even if you only updare once a month you have a *hint* |
| 21:57:28 | JdGordon| | it would solve everyones peroblems though :) |
| 21:57:37 | Zagor | pixelma: only? once a month is very frequent |
| 21:57:40 | amiconn | Zagor: It doesn't. Frequent updates just improve the behaviour vs. using a fixed date |
| 21:57:56 | amiconn | If you rarely update, both approaches are essentially the same |
| 21:57:59 | JdGordon| | pixelma: really the proper way to do it is rename your files ocne the recording is finished.. |
| 21:58:09 | pixelma | Zagor: very? |
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| 21:58:24 | Zagor | amiconn: no, because a date in the past year says nothing. a 1990 date contains at least some information. |
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| 21:59:24 | Zagor | pixelma: yes. I believe the average user updates far less frequent than that. |
| 21:59:28 | saratoga | how many targets lack a clock? |
| 21:59:39 | amiconn | Zagor: The timestamps are more complex than that. Using a single, fixed timestamp would be bad because it would cause situations where the filetime jumps backwards, which would be very bad e.g. for sync tools |
| 21:59:59 | amiconn | We need to consider new files and writes to existing files |
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| 22:00:26 | JdGordon| | non-rtc targets should have read only file systems! |
| 22:00:29 | pixelma | JdGordon|: yes, with the virtual keyboard? Although... I do that sometimes, but I don't see the need to change something there. I even look at that sometimes, e.g. when deciding if I can throw away a config file |
| 22:00:38 | Zagor | amiconn: that is true for the current scheme too.create a playlist with your pc, then overwrite it on the archos. boom, no sync. |
| 22:00:44 | amiconn | The latter should monotonely increase the timestamp, so that a sync tool notices something has changed, and sync into the correct direction. Same goes for manual syncing by looking at timestamps |
| 22:00:51 | pixelma | Zagor: maybe we have different understandings of "very" then |
| 22:01:30 | amiconn | Zagor: The current scheme does what I just explained. It takes the timestamp of the existing file, and increases it (by a fixed amount: 1h 15 min) |
| 22:01:42 | JdGordon| | pixelma: I was repliying to your need for the hint in the date.... with non rtc you really shouldnt be going by the file dates |
| 22:01:46 | pixelma | Zagor: the Archos Recorders have an RTC |
| 22:01:53 | amiconn | New files get a time stamp of <build date, 01:15> |
| 22:02:21 | Zagor | amiconn: so changing the build date to 1990 would thus not change this. |
| 22:02:34 | CIA-6 | New commit by mt (r22295): Modify the mdct library to enable using it outside rockbox - No functional changes. |
| 22:02:36 | Zagor | pixelma: I know that |
| 22:04:01 | amiconn | Zagor: Using 01 Jan 1990 as a marker doesn't work because of this. It will increase over time if this file is written to, and eventually lose its significance as a marker |
| 22:04:08 | pixelma | JdGordon|: as I explained I do and find it useful in cases, yes it's coarse but better than nothing...s nice to learn that I "really shouldn't" now |
| 22:05:22 | pixelma | were there reports of confused people? |
| 22:05:23 | Zagor | amiconn: uh, it takes two million writes to advance a single year... that's not really a problem. besides we could always use 1981 or even 01:00 1980 |
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| 22:06:03 | amiconn | Why make things worse than they currently are? By using the build date, the timestamps are at least roughly in the correct range |
| 22:06:21 | ball | Is there an easy way to ask Rockbox to rescan the filesystem? I have files on my iPod Mini that don't show up in the Rockbox menus. |
| 22:06:41 | Zagor | no they are not. they are still *completely* wrong. they just try to fool the user that they are correct! |
| 22:06:52 | gevaerts | amiconn: because it's not at all clear that it would be worse, and the build system would be simpler |
| 22:07:05 | amiconn | No it wouldn't |
| 22:07:34 | amiconn | You need to handle APPSVERSION individually, so handling build date as well is essentially the same |
| 22:08:02 | Zagor | A: what date is it? B: I don't know. A: Well, what is the latest date you've heard of? B: <answer> A: ok so let's claim that is the current date |
| 22:08:07 | amiconn | You could just write a .h that defines these things instead of putting it onto the gcc commandline, and then include the .h where it's needed |
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| 22:08:52 | Zagor | it's simply a crappy concept, build system or not. we don't know the date! don't act as if we did. |
| 22:09:00 | amiconn | Zagor: Certainly closer to the truth than just saying "X is the current date" |
| 22:09:15 | amiconn | That's what your suggestion essentially means |
| 22:09:49 | * | amiconn had an idea how to add better signalling to a timestamp that it isn't necessarily correct |
| 22:09:49 | ball | I hate doing dishes without my podcasts :-( |
| 22:09:52 | Zagor | I claim that "close to the truth, but wrong" is actually worse than "so far off the truth that's it's very obviously not the real date" |
| 22:10:35 | ball | Really don't want to nuke the filesystem and start from scratch. |
| 22:10:43 | pixelma | I prefer the first one |
| 22:11:01 | Zagor | ball: rockbox does not have a filesystem scan. use your computer. |
| 22:11:35 | ball | I tried two computers, both show the files. |
| 22:11:38 | ball | Rockbox does not. |
| 22:12:38 | pixelma | ball: how did you copy the files over (and to which player)? What is your "show files" setting set to? |
| 22:12:41 | amiconn | Zagor: Imo "close to the truth" is better. It's possible to add some signalling "attention, this timestamp isn't necessarily correct" without giving up the close-to-the-truth approach |
| 22:13:05 | ball | I dragged the files in whatever Xubuntu's file browser thing is called... Thunar? |
| 22:13:06 | Zagor | amiconn: how would you suggest to do that? |
| 22:13:14 | amiconn | Right now we're always incrementing the filetime by 75 minutes when writing to a file |
| 22:13:17 | ball | They show up on the Xubuntu box and also on a NetBSD box |
| 22:13:29 | ball | I'll have a dig in the menus for a "show files" setting |
| 22:13:32 | Zagor | ball: what are they called? |
| 22:13:33 | pixelma | what player do you have? |
| 22:13:37 | ball | iPod Mini |
| 22:13:41 | ball | 1st gen |
| 22:13:48 | Zagor | ball: the files... |
| 22:14:07 | ball | e.g. -rwxrwxr-x 1 root wheel 3373183 Aug 13 19:52 G6_lineup_3ZEQ.mp3 |
| 22:14:13 | amiconn | If we would instead round it before so that the time part of a file always ends up as a multiple of 01:11:11 when written to by rockbox, this is probably a rather good hint |
| 22:14:57 | amiconn | Hmm, that won't work after 05:55:55. |
| 22:15:37 | amiconn | But the idea could certainly be modified so that it works without too uneven increments |
| 22:16:05 | amiconn | E.g. always setting minutes and seconds to :22:22, , and increment by an hour at a time |
| 22:16:15 | ball | file(1) reports G6_lineup_3ZEQ.mp3: Audio file with ID3 version 23.0 tag, MP3 encodin |
| 22:16:18 | ball | g |
| 22:16:39 | ball | Perhaps I just need to reinstall rockbox |
| 22:16:52 | amiconn | (not :11:11 because I forgot that wrttime seconds on fat must be even) |
| 22:16:58 | Zagor | amiconn: how about subtracting 20 years? that's a pretty clear flag, but you still have the date info |
| 22:17:49 | Zagor | anyway, that would mean keeping the need to rebuild fat.c every time, so it doesn't really change anything as far as I'm concerned |
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| 22:18:05 | Zagor | I'm just going to leave fat.c as it is for now. |
| 22:18:27 | amiconn | Yeah, but if you're sorting by date (I know that can't be 100% correct anyway tough) it would look quite odd, as those files would sort totally different) |
| 22:18:40 | amiconn | It also leaves the problem that writing to a file woud set the time backwards |
| 22:18:45 | ball | Well that's strange |
| 22:18:46 | amiconn | (first-time write) |
| 22:18:59 | Zagor | amiconn: only new files |
| 22:19:08 | ball | Somehow Rockbox was set to only view Playlists |
| 22:19:12 | Zagor | we naturally don't change the increment concept |
| 22:19:17 | ball | I know I didn't do that deliberately |
| 22:19:21 | ball | ...very odd. |
| 22:19:27 | ball | Thanks for your help Zagor |
| 22:19:36 | ball | ...and pixelma |
| 22:19:36 | CIA-6 | New commit by mt (r22296): Also modify mdct_lookup.c for compiling outside rockbox. |
| 22:19:40 | amiconn | Zagor: But then you have no indication that the timestamp of a file modified by rockbox isn't correct |
| 22:19:54 | Zagor | ball: actually it was pixelma who told you about the setting :) |
| 22:20:12 | ball | Zagor: well you helped too, so thanks. |
| 22:20:24 | Zagor | amiconn: true. well, as I said I'm not changing this right now. |
| 22:20:42 | ball | Perhaps back later, after I've washed some dishes |
| 22:20:42 | amiconn | The :22:22 idea would set this on all files rockbox is writing to, and increment the hour by 1. It would also increment the date to the build date if it's before that |
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| 22:21:05 | * | amiconn thinks this is at least worth a try |
| 22:21:24 | amiconn | It could also be explained in a simple way in the manual |
| 22:21:34 | amiconn | gevaerts: What do you think about my .h file idea? |
| 22:21:46 | pixelma | mm... ball left |
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| 22:23:11 | Zagor | amiconn: moving it to a .h file just adds complexity. it won't change the ccache penalty. |
| 22:23:36 | amiconn | It will, as only those files actually needing the values would depend on that .h |
| 22:24:17 | gevaerts | amiconn: I think it's a bit more complex. You suddenly have a file that needs to be rewritten without dependencies saying so |
| 22:24:49 | amiconn | The .h file would always be written at build time, directly, without using -D on a gcc commandline |
| 22:25:29 | Zagor | it still means ccache cannot cache fat.c. same as if I just add a new Makefile rule for it. |
| 22:25:48 | Zagor | I prefer two lines in the makefile over creating new files in the build dir |
| 22:25:54 | JdGordon| | what about not being so agressive with deleting the build dir each round? |
| 22:26:13 | amiconn | Hmm, maybe I don't understand the problem correctly? |
| 22:26:31 | Zagor | JdGordon|: too dangerous. we want a completely clean build every time, in case there is a dependency fault |
| 22:26:34 | CIA-6 | New commit by mt (r22297): Modify libcook to use rockbox's mdct library in its standalone test program. |
| 22:26:36 | amiconn | Iiuc gevaerts means that those -D[efines] lead to ccache not caching anything? |
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| 22:26:50 | amiconn | But then I wonder why ccache helps at all |
| 22:27:05 | gevaerts | does it? |
| 22:28:04 | JdGordon| | Zagor: yeah, but how about.. unless some specified files change (configure, config*.h, english.lang, etc) reuse the directory, then if that ails do a clean build... surely that would still be faster on average than a full rebuild every time? |
| 22:28:04 | amiconn | Well if I do configure && time make && make clean && time make with primed ccache, the second 'make' is much faster |
| 22:28:37 | amiconn | (except on cygwin, but that's another matter) |
| 22:28:43 | gevaerts | amiconn: yes, but the revision is the same |
| 22:28:55 | Zagor | JdGordon|: that would assume we know which files trigger dependency bugs. we don't! |
| 22:29:07 | Zagor | we don't even know of such bugs |
| 22:29:29 | JdGordon| | well, yeah... |
| 22:29:32 | amiconn | gevaerts: Hmm, that should be tested across a daychange then? |
| 22:30:07 | Zagor | amiconn: two different revisions is enough, since all compiles get APPVERSION |
| 22:30:42 | amiconn | Yes, but different revisions will cause valid recompiles |
| 22:31:19 | Zagor | yes but you should still see a difference if ccache works (and if the revision isn't huge) |
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| 22:31:30 | Zagor | *revision diff |
| 22:31:48 | amiconn | Hmm, could potentially use a commit in www/ or rbutil/ or similar |
| 22:32:34 | Zagor | good idea |
| 22:32:59 | amiconn | What was r22277 and r22278? |
| 22:33:31 | Zagor | www/buildserver/blockedclients |
| 22:33:54 | amiconn | ah, so r22276 vs. 22277 would work |
| 22:33:56 | * | amiconn tries |
| 22:33:57 | Zagor | yes |
| 22:39:03 | CIA-6 | New commit by mt (r22298): Modify libatrac to use fixed-point arithmetic. |
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| 22:49:22 | saratoga | great work with libatrac |
| 22:49:31 | saratoga | the ffmpeg people should be impressed |
| 22:51:06 | CIA-6 | New commit by mt (r22299): Remove mallocs from libatrac. |
| 22:51:16 | mt | saratoga: Thanks :) |
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| 22:53:33 | * | domonoky applauds to mt for his really impressiv gsoc work ! |
| 22:53:58 | mt | domonoky: Thank you ! |
| 22:54:18 | saratoga | are there any RM codecs remaining? |
| 22:54:42 | mt | sipro |
| 22:54:51 | mt | ra1 and ra2 |
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| 22:56:26 | CIA-6 | New commit by mt (r22300): Remove a forgotten DEBUGF from librm/rm.c - No functional changes. |
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| 23:00:11 | saratoga | mt: better add the ASM versions of fixmul before someone tries to play a file ") |
| 23:00:16 | saratoga | :) |
| 23:01:00 | mt | saratoga: Sure ;) |
| 23:02:02 | Utchybann | I just auto-magically sync the rtc of my ipod with udev (linux). |
| 23:02:42 | Utchybann | Do you think I should write a little 'howto' for linux users ? |
| 23:02:54 | saratoga | the codec is so light on memory you might as well just ICONST everything in atrac3data_fixed.h |
| 23:02:59 | saratoga | should make coldfire a LOT faster |
| 23:03:09 | Bagder | Utchybann: sounds like a good idea! |
| 23:03:44 | mt | saratoga: channel_units is 32KB, is that ok ? |
| 23:04:09 | amiconn | uhm |
| 23:04:22 | amiconn | It seems there is a bug in 'configure' regarding ccache handling |
| 23:04:32 | Utchybann | Bagder: ok. should be ready before 3.4 and official support in rockbox ;-) |
| 23:04:36 | saratoga | mt: thats not in that file is it? |
| 23:04:52 | saratoga | oh i see |
| 23:04:54 | JdGordon| | Utchybann: add it to the wiki.... |
| 23:04:59 | saratoga | lets wait on that, its probably too big |
| 23:05:12 | * | domonoky calls again for perl hackers to fix genlang.cgi for releases :-) |
| 23:05:21 | JdGordon| | no point adding it to the manual... linux users dont read manuals :) |
| 23:06:04 | domonoky | Utchybann: i would think a wikipage about this would be nice. |
| 23:06:36 | * | amiconn blames r2228, i.e. kugel |
| 23:06:50 | CIA-6 | New commit by zagor (r22301): Added event logging to database. |
| 23:07:07 | JdGordon| | amiconn: you sure about that one? :D |
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| 23:07:10 | amiconn | 'configure' doesn't auto-enable ccache. Only −−ccache would do that. Wrong condition in elif. |
| 23:07:23 | amiconn | JdGordon|: Eh, r22228 |
| 23:08:25 | Utchybann | JdGordon, domonoky : a new wiki page in 'For Users' section seems the right place for me. |
| 23:09:13 | CIA-6 | New commit by amiconn (r22302): Fix ccache auto-detection. |
| 23:09:50 | saratoga | mt: we have more buffers then we have space in IRAM for them on most targets, but maybe some of the buffers in ATRAC3Context and channel_unit could be shared to save memory |
| 23:10:49 | * | domonoky tries to think of a Price for the perl hacker who fixes genlang.cgi for releases. Maybe Beer ? (but shipping is expensive) :-) |
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| 23:11:20 | Zagor | amiconn: wow. that would be another reason why ccache doesn't work :-) |
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| 23:11:35 | amiconn | Zagor: yup |
| 23:11:47 | amiconn | I wondered why my primed ccache doesn't fill at all.... |
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| 23:17:40 | saratoga | i have to run, but i bet tempbuf can be shared with one of the other buffers |
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| 23:17:51 | * | pixelma wonders about the 2 red dots in the green build table - same error but on two different servers? |
| 23:18:26 | pixelma | not exactly the same but similar |
| 23:18:30 | amiconn | gevaerts: http://rockbox.pastebin.ca/1528575 |
| 23:18:34 | CIA-6 | New commit by mt (r22303): Call the asm definitions of fixmul functions when possible. |
| 23:18:41 | amiconn | I.e. you don't need to do anything about those -D |
| 23:19:08 | gevaerts | interesting |
| 23:19:10 | mt | saratoga (logs) : Yes I was just thinking of that today. |
| 23:19:17 | amiconn | (this is a recorder build on 'triton', without using make -j) |
| 23:19:21 | JdGordon| | 2s difference.... thats big enough to spend an hour on :D |
| 23:20:27 | amiconn | JdGordon|: Those 2s different are a mix of (a) measuring uncertainty (varying load) and (2) recompiling the few files actually using those defines |
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| 23:21:02 | amiconn | If they would cause what gevaerts suspected, the 3rd build would have been in the 2 minutes range |
| 23:21:10 | Zagor | this means the ccache manual is wrong: it's not comparing the commandline, only the preprocessor output |
| 23:21:24 | gevaerts | Zagor: maybe they ignore -D? |
| 23:21:39 | Zagor | well, I would call -D part of the commandline :) |
| 23:21:48 | Zagor | so leaving that out is still a manual bug |
| 23:24:10 | pamaury | gevaerts: did you test it ? I saw you comment about the usb driver flagging something as error while it's not: what do you mean ? |
| 23:26:21 | gevaerts | pamaury: I didn't do tests yet to see if the 96 bytes thing is the same for all targets. I did verify that serial now works properly though. While doing that I found this bug in the driver |
| 23:26:44 | amiconn | gevaerts: Did you try serial on the beast? |
| 23:26:51 | gevaerts | amiconn: not yet |
| 23:28:16 | n1s | if anyone is serious about chasing build speed, i think optimizing genlang could give some nice speedups as iirc it takes about ~1/4 of the build time, can't remember how to build only langs though... |
| 23:28:25 | gevaerts | What happened is that the driver waits for the ENDPT_PRIME bit to be set, and then looks at REG_ENDPTSTATUS, where the endpoint-specific bit should be 1. However, in some cases the transfer is fast enough to complete before that check actually happens, so the bit is 0 again. I fixed that by also checking ENDPT_COMPLETE |
| 23:28:42 | n1s | that's with a primed ccache of course |
| 23:29:22 | rasher | So all this time, we haven't really been using ccache much, if at all? |
| 23:29:35 | Zagor | seems so |
| 23:29:43 | pamaury | gevearts: I did some test on usb_serial and when I submit a >=97 transfer, it proceeds normally, prepare a td, tells the hardware to proceed and then there is not feedback anymore, no interrupt, nothing |
| 23:30:09 | pamaury | what is ccache ? |
| 23:31:31 | rasher | n1s: Yeah, I think genlang could be smarter |
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| 23:32:27 | n1s | pamaury: a cache for preprocessed c files that speeds up compiles significantly in many cases |
| 23:32:42 | Zagor | rasher: not since 22228 |
| 23:33:11 | n1s | rasher: too bad i can't hack perl to save my life then :/ |
| 23:33:15 | pamaury | and what is the problem with genlang ? Is it too slow ? |
| 23:33:43 | n1s | well, it could likely be faster, not really a problem |
| 23:33:44 | rasher | n1s: Yeah, I'm not going to touch it either |
| 23:33:48 | JdGordon| | there might be a very small speed up if all the deprecated strings were removed... |
| 23:34:02 | rasher | JdGordon|: that's not going to be significant at all |
| 23:34:16 | JdGordon| | I said very small :) |
| 23:34:18 | n1s | rasher: btw, what happend to your lang xml-ification? |
| 23:35:07 | n1s | JdGordon: dropping all the useless features will help more1 :D |
| 23:35:16 | n1s | s/1/\!/ |
| 23:35:49 | rasher | n1s: I think I've all but abandoned it |
| 23:36:16 | pixelma | that weird Iaudio M3 delta seems to be caused be the build client - pyros-roolku |
| 23:36:30 | rasher | I don't think the benefits are important enough, and the preliminary result seemed slower |
| 23:38:56 | pamaury | gevarts: I submit a patch on FS to fix the const correctness of usb_serial, can you look and it and eventually commit it if it's correct ? It's not really important altough |
| 23:40:09 | pixelma | hmm, the previous build table gave some info about the server when hovering, gcc and ld version if I remember correctly. Is it possible to bring that back with the client system? |
| 23:40:24 | Zagor | pixelma: it's in the log |
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| 23:41:26 | rasher | Zagor: any idea about the negative upload predictions? |
| 23:41:30 | pixelma | it's not the same when trying to compare builds though (to find reasons for weird failure/warnungs or deltas) |
| 23:41:43 | Zagor | rasher: yes, it's ... crappy code :) |
| 23:41:44 | pixelma | warnings too |
| 23:42:01 | domonoky | Zagor: you wrote genlang.cgi. Is there someway to convince you to fix it for releases ? (pulling the lang file from the correct release branch, if the revision is something like 3.3) :-) |
| 23:42:21 | * | domonoky offers beer ! :-) |
| 23:42:46 | amiconn | n1s: Would it be possible to let ccache cache genlang output as well? |
| 23:43:22 | Zagor | amiconn: no, it only understands compiler (only gcc even?) command lines |
| 23:43:42 | rasher | Maybe genlang could do its own caching? |
| 23:43:43 | amiconn | Ah, hmm |
| 23:44:29 | Zagor | rasher: I was under the impression the slow speed is due to poor code. is that incorrect? |
| 23:45:18 | * | pixelma feels ignored otherwise |
| 23:45:28 | Zagor | domonoky: uh, I guess. it's not at the top of my list right now though. |
| 23:45:30 | rasher | Zagor: Somewhat. It's at least not as efficient as it could be |
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| 23:46:28 | Zagor | pixelma: I don't really understand why you want it. Adding it means I have to load and parse 2160 log files every time that table is produced. no fun. |
| 23:50:12 | amiconn | rasher: One thing it could perhaps do is storing the parse result of english.lang on disk in some binary form, so that subsequent calls could just fetch that without further processing |
| 23:50:46 | * | amiconn doesn't know how to do this in perl |
| 23:50:54 | pixelma | it's not the only point I thought was worth bringing up, actually I stumbled upon this because I wanted to see if there is anything obvious why pyros-roolku produces this weird delta on the Iaudio M3 buiild - just remembered that this function had been there before and proved useful |
| 23:51:11 | rasher | amiconn: Indeed. It should do the same for the results of the other languages and store that with a hash of some sort |
| 23:51:55 | JdGordon| | are all the languages actually dependant on english.lang (in the make dependancies i mean) |
| 23:51:57 | amiconn | I'm not talking about automatic caching. Just parse english.lang once per build, and use the result for processing all the other languages |
| 23:52:15 | amiconn | hmm |
| 23:52:47 | Zagor | I think fixing the code should be done before adding caching. caching is for inherently hard problems, not poor code. |
| 23:53:49 | pixelma | Zagor: that build table one was a question because I wasn't sure if I didn't overlooked something - I overlooked a bit that now there are now quite a few more builds but... thought asking wouldn't hurt |
| 23:54:03 | rasher | amiconn: I'm just saying there's no reason not to do the other thing also |
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| 23:54:33 | * | rasher predicts genlang will not be fixed in a year |
| 23:54:45 | amiconn | JdGordon|: If they aren't, that would be a bug in the build system |
| 23:55:11 | n1s | JdGordon: yes, all langs depend on the order of the strings in english.lang, and also the english.lang strings where that string is missing in the translation |
| 23:55:11 | Zagor | pixelma: asking doesn't hurt. I just wanted a really good reason before spending a bunch of time on it. |
| 23:55:18 | JdGordon| | well no... doesnt the genlang script actually let you use any .lang as the base lang? |
| 23:55:19 | amiconn | Creating a .lng needs english.lang for reference, so all .lng should depend on their respective .lang and english.lang |
| 23:56:48 | n1s | JdGordon: yes, you *can* specify any other lang as the base lang to pass to genlang but why do you want to? |
| 23:57:14 | pixelma | Zagor: sure, it was also meant more general - no-one replied to me 2 previous questions |
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