| 00:00:02 | mcuelenaere | (or vice versa) |
| 00:00:08 | JdGordon| | yeah, i have |
| 00:00:09 | JdGordon| | works fine |
| 00:00:16 | mcuelenaere | it doesn't here ? |
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| 00:01:01 | JdGordon| | there is a very minor bug going from 3 to 32 and vice versa... but if thats what your talking about i wouldnt worry |
| 00:01:47 | mcuelenaere | that's what I'm talking about |
| 00:01:53 | mcuelenaere | and there's a flyspray report about it ;) |
| 00:02:00 | JdGordon| | AH! thats not the menu at all... |
| 00:02:06 | JdGordon| | thats option_select() |
| 00:02:50 | webguest | hey could anyone tell me how to uninstall rockbox off my sansa e250r |
| 00:03:28 | JdGordon| | the wiki and manual and rbutil all make it very simple |
| 00:04:15 | CIA-61 | New commit by rmenes (r22412): A few non-translation fixes for Tagalog. |
| 00:04:23 | webguest | so i can uninstall it the same way you would uninstall it on a e200 |
| 00:04:30 | kugel | mcuelenaere: LCD_WIDTH/10 still is a bit low, btw (imo) |
| 00:04:56 | JdGordon| | webguest: yes |
| 00:05:03 | mcuelenaere | kugel: you want the scrollbar to fill up whole your screen? ;) |
| 00:05:20 | mcuelenaere | but sure, go ahead and increase it |
| 00:06:07 | kugel | no, but it's only 17 on a e200. and still only 6 on my clip |
| 00:06:11 | JdGordon| | mcuelenaere: can you change the left/right side setting to not apply on the fly? its almost never displayed in that setting and feels really wierd having the space move |
| 00:06:36 | JdGordon| | kugel: do MIN(30,LCD_WIDTH/10) |
| 00:07:12 | JdGordon| | I mean MAX |
| 00:07:12 | mcuelenaere | JdGordon|: how? use 2 variables and only update the actual one when leaving the screen? |
| 00:07:28 | JdGordon| | mcuelenaere: just give it the F_TEMPVAR flag in settings_list |
| 00:08:50 | JdGordon| | *may not be named that actually* |
| 00:08:54 | JdGordon| | something along those lines |
| 00:09:10 | mcuelenaere | perhaps I should also use that for scrollbar width to fix that.. |
| 00:09:31 | JdGordon| | no... that live updating is great |
| 00:09:54 | JdGordon| | its probalby a 2 line change in optino_select.c |
| 00:09:55 | mcuelenaere | yeah I think so too, but the bug isn't :) |
| 00:10:23 | Bagder | Zagor: broken build client? |
| 00:10:43 | Zagor | Bagder: yes, I'm testing some changes. they didn't work too well... |
| 00:10:46 | freqmod_qu | kugel: Is http://forums.rockbox.org/index.php?topic=14064.msg154659#msg154659 a bug report? ( i.e should i have posted it in the test build thread? ) |
| 00:11:00 | webguest | .do i need to put it in manufacture mode |
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| 00:12:50 | mcuelenaere | JdGordon|: redrawing the menu after the item changes works, but you can see the scrollbar rapidly switching from 24 to 3 pixels |
| 00:13:00 | mcuelenaere | also I'm not sure if this breaks anything.. |
| 00:13:17 | JdGordon| | you're not in the menu :) |
| 00:13:31 | mcuelenaere | redrawing the list* :) |
| 00:13:51 | JdGordon| | and no, I dont tinhk there should be an issue redrawing the list *after* the setting changes.. in fact I would think that would be the better place for it |
| 00:14:12 | mcuelenaere | I suppose list_do_action() does a list redraw? |
| 00:14:19 | JdGordon| | yeah |
| 00:14:21 | JdGordon| | damn |
| 00:14:23 | JdGordon| | that just clicked |
| 00:14:46 | JdGordon| | selection change -> redraw -> callback -> redraw(?) |
| 00:15:00 | mcuelenaere | yep |
| 00:15:02 | JdGordon| | bugger it.. close it as wont fix |
| 00:15:04 | mcuelenaere | that's what I meant |
| 00:15:06 | JdGordon| | its not a big deal |
| 00:15:15 | mcuelenaere | or just commit it with the glitch? |
| 00:15:30 | mcuelenaere | I think correct behaviour with a small glitch is better over incorrect behaviour |
| 00:15:36 | mcuelenaere | then* |
| 00:15:37 | JdGordon| | no.. redraws are pointless |
| 00:16:28 | JdGordon| | I havnt looked at that code in ages so cant give any other ideas |
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| 00:17:52 | kugel | freqmod_qu: I deleted 2 or 3 posts between us |
| 00:18:01 | freqmod_qu | kugel: ok |
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| 00:19:19 | kugel | mcuelenaere: what glitch? |
| 00:20:05 | mcuelenaere | kugel: add gui_synclist_draw(&lists); to apps/gui/option_select.c after line 517 and go from biggest to smallest scrollbar width |
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| 00:21:59 | kugel | I can't see that glitch |
| 00:22:13 | kugel | oh I did try something else |
| 00:22:37 | kugel | I think going with F_TEMPVAR is the way to go |
| 00:22:50 | mcuelenaere | then you don't have live updating anymore |
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| 00:23:20 | webguest | i still can't uninstall rockbox |
| 00:24:31 | kugel | mcuelenaere: in the if ()? |
| 00:24:42 | JdGordon| | mcuelenaere: I thinkk leave it as is... I'll try to remember to have a looktonight... there might be a trick we could use here |
| 00:25:05 | mcuelenaere | kugel: http://pastebin.com/f6d356de5 |
| 00:25:16 | JdGordon| | also, all these status/scroll bar settings should get moved to the themes menu |
| 00:25:21 | kugel | mcuelenaere: ah after |
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| 00:25:28 | kugel | there's no glitch here |
| 00:25:49 | kugel | it rapidly gets small, but isn't that what you wanted? |
| 00:25:55 | JdGordon| | go from 3 to max |
| 00:26:02 | mcuelenaere | no, the other way around |
| 00:26:07 | JdGordon| | either |
| 00:26:10 | webguest | my e200r isnt working with the e200 uninstall instructions |
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| 00:26:13 | mcuelenaere | you can't see it from 3 to max as it'll get bigger |
| 00:26:24 | mcuelenaere | wider* |
| 00:26:46 | kugel | works here (e200 sim) |
| 00:26:57 | mcuelenaere | if you go from max to 3, it'll first draw the wide scrollbar with the indicator-thingy pointing below, and then it will shrink to the smaller version |
| 00:27:13 | * | mcuelenaere can't really explain :) |
| 00:27:55 | kugel | it totally looks fine here |
| 00:28:11 | mcuelenaere | it probably redraws faster then you can see on your CPU |
| 00:28:25 | mcuelenaere | anyway, JdGordon| was against that fix |
| 00:28:38 | kugel | if that works, why not? |
| 00:28:52 | mcuelenaere | it's an extra redraw for all option_list's |
| 00:28:52 | JdGordon| | redraw that list twice EVERY selection change |
| 00:29:11 | kugel | remove the other redraw :p |
| 00:29:21 | JdGordon| | its the list handling |
| 00:30:16 | webguest | cant i just delete it from my computer |
| 00:30:47 | JdGordon| | oh for goodness sake.. read the manual.... its as easy as start rbutil and press uninstall |
| 00:31:10 | kugel | JdGordon|: e200r doesn't work with rbutil |
| 00:31:22 | JdGordon| | really? |
| 00:31:27 | kugel | really |
| 00:31:35 | JdGordon| | I thhuoght it was the same once you did the first bit manually? |
| 00:31:38 | kugel | the manual has the manual instructions though (IIRC) |
| 00:31:58 | kugel | he wants to uninstall, and that's part of the bits that are different |
| 00:32:27 | webguest | so how do i uninstall the stuff off my e200r |
| 00:32:29 | mcuelenaere | yes==false and no==true in BOOL_SETTING in settings_list.c ? |
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| 00:33:33 | kugel | mcuelenaere: BOOL_SETTING can be anything, do you mean ONOFF_SETTING? |
| 00:33:57 | mcuelenaere | no, I mean BOOL_SETTING |
| 00:34:13 | kugel | well, you choose what true and false is in BOOL_SETTING |
| 00:34:42 | mcuelenaere | the default order when displaying a BOOL_SETTING is first the 'no' option and second the 'yes' option? |
| 00:34:49 | mcuelenaere | (yes and no according to the macro syntax) |
| 00:35:08 | kugel | do you mean litterally "yes" and "no"? |
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| 00:35:42 | mcuelenaere | I mean the "yes" and "no" in BOOL_SETTING(flags,var,lang_id,default,name,cfgvals,yes,no,cb) |
| 00:36:25 | kugel | no idea |
| 00:38:53 | webguest | i cant find any intructions on the e200r page |
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| 00:39:20 | CIA-61 | New commit by alle (r22413): Add comment to the BOOL_SETTING macro; use that macro for OFFON_SETTING (FS #10544) |
| 00:41:24 | kugel | webguest: which page? |
| 00:42:00 | kugel | ehh, there's really no uninstallation instructins |
| 00:42:15 | kugel | which leads to the question: webguest, why do you want to uninstall? :p |
| 00:42:18 | webguest | so how do i do it |
| 00:42:33 | JdGordon| | mcuelenaere: you maybe should have done the scrollbar setting like ths statusbar... off/left/right instead of 2 settings |
| 00:42:40 | CIA-61 | New commit by mcuelenaere (r22414): Scrollbar position: only update it when exiting the menu + FS #10539 by Alexander Levin (change the order of Left/Right) |
| 00:42:41 | kugel | no idea really, have you tried updating with an unpatched original firmware? |
| 00:43:00 | JdGordon| | boooo!!! the live updating was great |
| 00:43:18 | mcuelenaere | JdGordon|: this is the position, not the width ;) |
| 00:43:22 | kugel | then fix it :) |
| 00:43:23 | webguest | i have to run it in rhapsody mode, which won't allow me to play some songs unless its in playsforsure mode |
| 00:43:32 | JdGordon| | mcuelenaere: ah sweet :) |
| 00:43:37 | kugel | can't we have a F_LIFEUPDATE flag? |
| 00:43:39 | * | JdGordon| learns to read |
| 00:43:44 | webguest | i dont think i have any unpatched original firmware |
| 00:43:48 | kugel | only do the redraw in that case? |
| 00:43:49 | JdGordon| | kugel: thats what F_TEMPVAR is |
| 00:43:53 | mcuelenaere | kugel: life update? :) |
| 00:44:07 | kugel | JdGordon|: TEMPVAR does the opposite |
| 00:44:21 | JdGordon| | yes |
| 00:44:39 | kugel | if (flags & F_LIVEUPDATE) gui_synclist_draw(); |
| 00:45:10 | mcuelenaere | is Alexander Levin in here? |
| 00:45:39 | webguest | so how should i uninstall it? |
| 00:45:57 | JdGordon| | no. redrawing twice sucks |
| 00:46:13 | kugel | for settings that want it (only this one) it's ok imo |
| 00:46:34 | mcuelenaere | JdGordon|: off/left/right sounds great, go for it! ;) |
| 00:46:42 | pamaury | Hello |
| 00:46:58 | JdGordon| | I'm at work... all yours :) |
| 00:47:55 | pamaury | I have a question about MTP: did someone ever tried to implement it on rockbox (or is doing so) ? |
| 00:48:19 | funman | pamaury: tomers did project to do it, not sure how far he went |
| 00:48:33 | funman | webguest: looks like nobody present knows, try writing to the mailing list |
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| 00:49:12 | webguest | mailing list? |
| 00:49:28 | mcuelenaere | funman: I don't think tomers was going to do MTP, just HID + dynamic USB modules |
| 00:49:28 | funman | http://www.rockbox.org/mail/ |
| 00:49:31 | fml | mcuelenaere: hello! How about different widths for scrollbars on the main and remote? |
| 00:49:44 | mcuelenaere | fml: hi, could you commit your manual patch? |
| 00:49:44 | kugel | webguest: download a OF from sandisk and update your e200r with it |
| 00:49:51 | kugel | that should work |
| 00:50:01 | webguest | okay i'll try it |
| 00:50:14 | fml | mcuelenaere: I just wanted to ask you whether you have looked into it. Is everything there correct? |
| 00:50:16 | pamaury | And is MTP a really wanted feature ? (question for both users and dev) |
| 00:50:23 | mcuelenaere | fml: looks great |
| 00:50:37 | fml | mcuelenaere: ok, I'll commit it then. |
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| 00:50:40 | mcuelenaere | fml: how's remote scrollbar width handled now? the same variable width for both of the screens? |
| 00:50:43 | JdGordon| | and yeah, any UI settings shuold be seperate for the remote and main lcd |
| 00:50:52 | funman | do the e200r use the same OF than e200v1 ? |
| 00:51:33 | mcuelenaere | pamaury: there was once a report on the forums of someone looking into MTP for Rockbox, but haven't heard anything about it |
| 00:52:04 | kugel | also, statusbar and scrollbar really ought to be in theme settings IMO |
| 00:52:33 | CIA-61 | New commit by alle (r22415): update for the recently added 'Scrollbar Width/Position' settings (FS #10538) |
| 00:53:11 | mcuelenaere | I just put it there because the original scrollbar en-/disable was there |
| 00:54:19 | fml | mcuelenaere, JdGordon: yes, some settings should be split to have separate ones for the main and the remote. And maybe grouped differently in the menu. |
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| 00:55:16 | JdGordon| | not some... all |
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| 00:55:55 | fml | JdGordon: scrollbar position could be used for both, no need to split it IMO |
| 00:56:22 | JdGordon| | for consistancy I would sya it should be split |
| 00:56:25 | kugel | just add theme settings and remote theme settings and split all |
| 00:56:34 | fml | But to be a purist... |
| 00:56:44 | fml | He-he, you're faster! :-) |
| 00:56:58 | pamaury | gevaerts: are you there ? |
| 00:57:06 | JdGordon| | thats what happens when you dont care about spelling and grammer :) |
| 00:57:16 | fml | We could even introduce a struct for that. The question is how this would plug into the settings saving engine |
| 00:57:25 | JdGordon| | kugel: yeah sounds good.. want to do it? :) |
| 00:57:39 | JdGordon| | not easily |
| 00:57:49 | JdGordon| | but yes, doubling up everywhere is annoying |
| 00:57:54 | JdGordon| | and wasteful |
| 00:58:05 | gevaerts | pamaury: depends. I'm somewhere anyway :) |
| 00:58:19 | fml | Not sleeping at this time is also wasteful. Bye! |
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| 00:58:33 | JdGordon| | hehe |
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| 00:59:52 | pamaury | gevaerts: Shouldn't the prototype of usb_serial_send have a const ? |
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| 01:02:57 | kugel | hmm, the cabbie statusbar doesn't look as nice on 220x176 (compared too 176x220) due to widescreen |
| 01:03:29 | kugel | cabbiev2 wastes a lot of space due to the giant rockbox logo in the wps :( |
| 01:04:56 | pamaury | Is it worth implementing MTP on rockbox or is it quite useless/fancy ? It doesn't seem too hard to implement. |
| 01:05:40 | JdGordon| | I tohught it was on the nodo list? |
| 01:05:43 | funman | tomers work should make this easier (dynamic usb drivers) |
| 01:06:01 | gevaerts | pamaury: I agree about usb_serial_send. I'll commit your patch soon |
| 01:06:12 | gevaerts | JdGordon|: is it? I wouldn't know why... |
| 01:06:16 | LambdaCalculus37 | JdGordon|: I thought that some people weren't really too against MTP. |
| 01:06:19 | pamaury | gevaerts: I submit on FS, anyway it's a two line long patch :) |
| 01:06:25 | funman | JdGordon|: http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/NoDo no it isn't |
| 01:06:30 | JdGordon| | ok ok.. i was wrong... |
| 01:06:38 | gevaerts | pamaury: I'd like to see an mtp implementation some day, so if you want to have a go, feel free |
| 01:06:49 | LambdaCalculus37 | JdGordon|: IIRC it was discussed that MTP would make it easier for some people to sync with certain media apps. |
| 01:06:59 | tmzt | funman: r has different usb settings, not sure what you mean by same OF, it could be the same build/image or not |
| 01:07:29 | funman | tmzt: sandisk only offer a "e200v1 firmware", no "e200r firmware" |
| 01:07:58 | JdGordon| | they dont have a rasposdy firmware? |
| 01:08:02 | pamaury | gevaerts: I looked at it and did some preliminary test, the protocol simple to implement. The hard work is to support the huge number of operations/properties :) |
| 01:08:16 | JdGordon| | otherwise the e200r and e200 are technically the same |
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| 01:10:58 | pamaury | gevaerts: Don't know if Itold you: I made tests on usb_drv_arc with the STREAM bit in USBCMD but it didn't seem to change anything. Anyway the RM explanation is quite unclear to me :) |
| 01:12:31 | gevaerts | ah, I hadn'e seen that |
| 01:13:16 | mcuelenaere | MTP would make it able to add/remove files while doing something else on the device, right? |
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| 01:14:24 | gevaerts | it should, yes |
| 01:14:29 | pamaury | Technically yes |
| 01:15:09 | gevaerts | it should also allow us to do realtime database updates |
| 01:15:11 | kugel | e200r has the same hardware (same rockbox build), but a different bootloader and installation |
| 01:15:36 | mcuelenaere | doesn't MTP also have time sync? |
| 01:15:50 | * | mcuelenaere knows it has battery status output |
| 01:17:58 | pamaury | basically, MTP allows you to read/write/reset nearly every property on any objet (object=file generally). This includes lots of things like date, time, songs properties, ... |
| 01:18:35 | pamaury | the same applies for the device, which includes of course battery level and playback properties |
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| 01:19:43 | JdGordon| | you can set battery level from mtp? |
| 01:19:48 | JdGordon| | from the computer i mean? |
| 01:20:19 | tmzt | mtp should be able to update the secure clock |
| 01:20:34 | pamaury | no you can't set battery level :) But you can read it |
| 01:20:46 | tmzt | but maybe not main rtc |
| 01:21:03 | gevaerts | JdGordon|: yes you can. It's called "charging" :) |
| 01:21:28 | pamaury | what is the secure clock ? I don't think I saw this in the MTP spec |
| 01:22:16 | tmzt | to do with drm |
| 01:22:49 | tmzt | for subscription content |
| 01:23:29 | mcuelenaere | doesn't that use the 'normal' RTC on some targets? |
| 01:23:51 | pamaury | There is a property about DRM: you can check whether an objet is protected or not but that's all iirc |
| 01:27:06 | funman | i'm fed up with this ams guy |
| 01:27:29 | pamaury | Did you get what you want from him ? |
| 01:27:29 | funman | i'm not even wanting to contact him again |
| 01:27:31 | tmzt | “Secure Clock†means a hardware real time clock that has been secured from unauthorized access. |
| 01:27:39 | funman | no i didn't even get to talk with him |
| 01:27:52 | pamaury | tmzt: why a different one ? |
| 01:27:52 | funman | he simply forgot all the meetings we had made (the 3 of them) |
| 01:28:18 | pamaury | He probably doesn't want to speak with you :) |
| 01:28:22 | funman | if someone want to take over the communication i'll give you his contact information |
| 01:28:39 | funman | you could just say i'm doing something else now |
| 01:28:40 | tmzt | http://wmlicense.smdisp.net/wmdrmcompliance/doc/Compliance%20Rules%20for%20Microsoft%20Device%20Bridge%20for%20WMDRM%2013_Nov_06.doc |
| 01:29:02 | tmzt | another result of the sesrch suggests as35xx has one |
| 01:29:43 | mcuelenaere | tmzt: that doesn't imply that the time in the OF isn't based on the same rtc |
| 01:30:18 | funman | that implies that you wouldn't be able to modify the OF time? |
| 01:30:30 | tmzt | I understand it to mean that the device owner can't change the time, on the MSDRM software on a host |
| 01:31:01 | tmzt | only the ... |
| 01:31:05 | * | mcuelenaere is confused |
| 01:31:11 | pamaury | tmzt: I don't think a thing like that in the MTP spec. But there a property called "online subscription id" |
| 01:31:13 | mcuelenaere | never mind what I said |
| 01:32:38 | tmzt | msybe it's in here: “WMDRM-PD MTP Extensions Technical Documentation†|
| 01:32:54 | tmzt | PD is portable devices |
| 01:32:58 | pamaury | Ah could be :) |
| 01:34:43 | pamaury | I also have a question about storage in rockbox. When multivolume is enabled, you can get the number of storage medium but is there a simple way to map between disk and volumes ? Ie to get the number of disk and which volume belongs to which disk ? |
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| 01:40:52 | pamaury | Ok, I'll try to find the answer in the code :) Bye |
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| 02:47:09 | JucaBlues | Recently I've been annoyed by gNewSense policies related to mp3 encoder availability and software patents plus my dad owning an ipod model not supported by rockbox which put me in a dead-end. |
| 02:47:15 | JucaBlues | I have read the irc channel guidelines and I hope this is not condidered off-topic. I'd like to discuss rockbox role in this debate. |
| 02:48:40 | JucaBlues | when considering my personal choices, I reach the conclusion that I'd like to know which portable music players support ogg natively and are also supported by rockbox |
| 02:48:43 | kugel | well, you come at a bad time for that |
| 02:48:55 | JucaBlues | why? |
| 02:49:09 | kugel | it's usually almost completely silent these hours |
| 02:49:14 | JucaBlues | ah, ok |
| 02:49:48 | kugel | to your question, the sansa fuze plays ogg in the OF, but is also (almost) supported by rockbox |
| 02:50:53 | JucaBlues | what do you mean by "almost" ? |
| 02:51:21 | kugel | there are a few issues (mainly with some rare microsd), but it runs fine mostly and there's tools and instructions for installing |
| 02:52:44 | JucaBlues | nice. Then this is probably a good ethical choice for me. I want to buy a device from a manufacturer that supports ogg. But at the same time I dont want to use proprietary firmware. |
| 02:54:07 | kugel | although there are v2 fuzes yet, which do not run rockbox at all |
| 02:54:51 | JucaBlues | now... my dad's ipod is not supported at all. Do you know why? It is a nano 2nd gen |
| 02:55:23 | saratoga | work started on that a couple weeks ago |
| 02:55:37 | saratoga | someone just recently figured out how to run code on it |
| 02:56:06 | JucaBlues | I thought I could eventually buy him a sansa fuze and then try to help nano 2ng gen development |
| 02:56:15 | Unhelpful | JucaBlues: rockbox is entirely a volunteer effort. for a long time nobody had a means to inject code into nano2g... now that that's happened work has *started* on RB for it. |
| 02:56:56 | kugel | IIRC it played sound already? |
| 02:57:10 | kugel | or was that on the meizu only (which has nearly identical hardware)? |
| 02:58:15 | JucaBlues | because my dad's mp3-only ipod forces me to install mp3-encoder in my gNewSense (which is OK legally, because Brazil does not allow software patents, but is ethically controversial) |
| 02:59:51 | Unhelpful | JucaBlues: i don't see any ethical problems with using LAME, really |
| 02:59:52 | Person | Um, excuse me, I put a folder of Ogg Vorbis files on my iPod (Video, 30 GB) and they don't seem to be showing up when I shuffle all. How can I get them to show up in the playlist? |
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| 03:01:10 | JucaBlues | Unhelpful: I dont wat to support a patent-encumbered file format, even though it is not a local issue in my country, I'd like to think globally and avoid patented tecnologies at all |
| 03:02:24 | kugel | FOSS isn't free of patens entirely either (though rockbox is) |
| 03:02:54 | kugel | patents* |
| 03:04:21 | saratoga | lots of rockbox code is patented |
| 03:04:33 | saratoga | we just don't pay any attention to it |
| 03:05:22 | kugel | oh I didn't know that. what code is patented? |
| 03:05:36 | JdGordon | mpeg definetly |
| 03:06:31 | saratoga | fat, most of the codecs as well |
| 03:06:56 | kugel | there's no patents on code in the EU, so... |
| 03:07:19 | kugel | but what do I know ;) |
| 03:07:38 | * | JdGordon knows the skin display code is a bit convoluted :p |
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| 03:09:08 | kugel | doesn't matter, the few external functions are sufficient so far :) |
| 03:09:38 | kugel | I would like to know why the my custtom sb shows the rewind icon initially |
| 03:09:57 | kugel | it doesn't get it from get_token_value() |
| 03:11:11 | JdGordon | something == 0 |
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| 03:20:19 | JdGordon | did we ever allow viewports to share id's ? |
| 03:22:14 | JdGordon | apparently yes... time to fix the code then |
| 03:25:23 | kugel | eh |
| 03:25:32 | kugel | JdGordon: you advertised that when you committed it |
| 03:25:51 | JdGordon | yeah, apparently... |
| 03:26:01 | JdGordon | minor oversight in the latest changes... |
| 03:26:03 | JdGordon | fixing |
| 03:26:06 | kugel | not a bug |
| 03:30:18 | JdGordon | whats not a bug? |
| 03:31:34 | kugel | sharing ids |
| 03:31:43 | JdGordon | I know.. |
| 03:31:58 | JdGordon | the bug is forgetting they are allowed to be shared |
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| 03:48:45 | * | kugel thinks he fixed all id3 == NULL problems |
| 03:49:12 | JdGordon | good good |
| 03:49:13 | JdGordon | how? |
| 03:49:18 | JdGordon | made the tags safe? |
| 03:49:38 | kugel | yea |
| 03:49:50 | kugel | return "n/a" or "0" if !id3 |
| 03:50:14 | JdGordon | excellent :) |
| 03:51:33 | JdGordon | does the playback status tag retun anything for stopped? |
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| 03:52:55 | CIA-61 | New commit by jdgordon (r22417): conditional viewports are allowed to share labels.. so make sure they are all toggled with %xd<label> |
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| 03:55:24 | pixelma | yes |
| 03:55:33 | kugel | yes, stopped |
| 03:55:56 | JdGordon | ok cool |
| 03:56:05 | JdGordon | so people will have to get used to using it :) |
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| 03:57:55 | JdGordon | I love how builds are on average faster now but horibble efficiency :) |
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| 04:02:40 | * | kugel would prefer setting sane defaults for id3, other parts might rely on it also |
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| 04:04:19 | JdGordon | I'm not sure... I cant imagine that anything else presumes audio is playing |
| 04:05:17 | pixelma | really id3 as in metadata or just info about the file (I'm wondering about how things like %?ia is treated if it was the former)? |
| 04:06:34 | kugel | well, both |
| 04:06:37 | JdGordon | the id3 we are talking about is the track data |
| 04:06:52 | JdGordon | tucker time :) |
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| 04:12:47 | Unhelpful | JdGordon: did we have a clear measure of efficiency before new build system? :) |
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| 05:08:28 | JdGordon | I'm doing memory allocation "backwards" in my buffer... starting at the end and moving towards buf[0]... how do I get the 32bit aligned pointer after decreasing the pointer by size? |
| 05:08:38 | JdGordon | like buffer_pos = (void *)(((unsigned long)buffer_pos + 3) & ~3); but not |
| 05:11:10 | JdGordon | or do I just add an extra 4 to the requested size and then do the above? |
| 05:14:42 | * | JdGordon prods Unhelpful to prove his nick is wrong! |
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| 05:17:18 | Unhelpful | JdGordon: we, um, have a macro to align the start and end of a buffer? ;) |
| 05:17:30 | JdGordon | we do? |
| 05:17:48 | JdGordon | does what I asked make sense? |
| 05:22:52 | JdGordon | its not as stupid/simple as just changing that + to a - is it? |
| 05:27:05 | Unhelpful | JdGordon: you want to align an address down, w/ 4B alignment? |
| 05:27:14 | JdGordon | yep |
| 05:27:15 | Blue_Dude | Hey, anybody tried to use ccache with cygwin? Does it help? |
| 05:27:22 | Unhelpful | it's, um, *more* simple than changing the + to a -. ;) |
| 05:27:42 | JdGordon | its just &~3 isnt it? :) |
| 05:28:18 | Unhelpful | indeed... &~3 clears the bottom two bits, the +3 is needed to change that from a round-down to a round-up :) |
| 05:28:25 | JdGordon | Blue_Dude: amiconn is our resident windows dev dude thingy... I'm pretty sure he at one point did a bunch of cygwin tests |
| 05:28:36 | JdGordon | Unhelpful: thanks |
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| 05:28:49 | Blue_Dude | JdGordon: and for sure it didn't work? |
| 05:28:56 | JdGordon | I dont remember |
| 05:29:02 | JdGordon | I think i remember it being slower |
| 05:29:16 | JdGordon | Unhelpful: I'm turning this skin buffer into something quite scary :) |
| 05:29:36 | Blue_Dude | Well, it's out there in corporate wisdom somewhere... |
| 05:30:00 | Unhelpful | JdGordon: excellent... just make sure that it's not nearly the most clever you can make it. ;) |
| 05:30:09 | JdGordon | hehe I know :) |
| 05:30:13 | JdGordon | I'll try not to |
| 05:30:31 | JdGordon | adding lots of comments just in case |
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| 05:54:57 | JdGordon | Unhelpful: got a min to have a look at my patch to make sure I didnt do something stupid? |
| 05:55:32 | Unhelpful | i'll regret it if i say "yes", won't i? |
| 05:55:42 | JdGordon | probably not... tiny patch |
| 05:56:14 | Unhelpful | just so it doesn't have any rename-and-then-edit :/ |
| 05:56:24 | JdGordon | http://pastebin.com/m173db56e |
| 05:56:28 | JdGordon | no, its very clean |
| 05:56:48 | JdGordon | it replaces the tokens staticly sized array with one that bassically grows as needed |
| 05:58:06 | Unhelpful | s/bare in mind/bear in mind/ ;) |
| 05:58:29 | JdGordon | have a bear in mind? |
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| 05:58:34 | Unhelpful | also begining->beginning :) |
| 05:58:35 | JdGordon | beer :) |
| 05:58:43 | JdGordon | code comments... not typos :) |
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| 05:59:55 | Unhelpful | now, you load all of the tokens first, and then all of the images? |
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| 06:00:08 | JdGordon | yes |
| 06:00:33 | JdGordon | as long as that doesnt change (and it shouldnt) that end is safe |
| 06:01:07 | Unhelpful | and you should then be able to allocate images up, starting from right after the tokens... allocate-down tricks are best avoided *if* you can. :) |
| 06:01:09 | JdGordon | I tihnk the danger is having the buffer_back grow and overlap buffer_start+"the data which hasnt been technically allocated yet" |
| 06:01:21 | JdGordon | yes images go up |
| 06:01:34 | JdGordon | onyl stuff which we know the size of can be on the end growing backwards |
| 06:01:53 | Unhelpful | and really it's better if you don't do that at all :) |
| 06:02:42 | JdGordon | yeah, but we cant |
| 06:02:49 | JdGordon | without wasting ram |
| 06:02:55 | Unhelpful | printf? |
| 06:02:59 | JdGordon | or moving ram around which isnt going to happen |
| 06:03:03 | JdGordon | debug.. its gone now |
| 06:03:52 | Unhelpful | what exactly do we need grow-down for? |
| 06:04:15 | JdGordon | tokens that need data, the viewports, progressbars, even image structs |
| 06:05:21 | Unhelpful | for image structs, can't you grow those up as you load the images? allocate sizeof(struct bitmap) then make the bitmap data follow immediately? |
| 06:06:03 | Unhelpful | actually, you could probably do that for all of them... load tokens in one pass, then allocate other data they need in a second pass? |
| 06:06:33 | Unhelpful | what's this? static unsigned char buffer[SKIN_BUFFER_SIZE]; |
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| 06:07:27 | JdGordon | no, the stuff which is allocated at the back end is data which tokens point to, its all statically sized so I dont think its bad growing backwards |
| 06:07:48 | JdGordon | the image bm.data is set to the front to grow "up" when the bmp is loaded |
| 06:08:01 | JdGordon | that is the actual RAM allocated for the skins |
| 06:08:26 | Unhelpful | and i assume there are no gaps left, in the end, between the grow-up and grow-down parts of the buffer? |
| 06:08:50 | Unhelpful | the bits that i understand right now seem sane... mind you, that's mostly the comments. :) |
| 06:08:53 | JdGordon | there will be untill it fills up |
| 06:09:11 | JdGordon | and we all know that comments always line up with the code... so all is good :) |
| 06:12:18 | * | JdGordon needs to work on the wps debug info |
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| 06:13:58 | * | JdGordon really loves it when stuff works first go! |
| 06:16:06 | * | JdGordon goes for it |
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| 06:19:26 | * | JdGordon expects a fairly impressive delta on that one :) |
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| 06:41:35 | CIA-61 | New commit by jdgordon (r22419): show the skin buffer size as well as the used amount in the rockbox info screen |
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| 07:07:16 | CIA-61 | New commit by jdgordon (r22420): get the skin debug output working again, add a line to say how much of the buffer is being used to aid themers... let me know if this gets close to ... |
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| 07:09:52 | webguest49 | COWON D2 - hi guys, do yo think Rockbox would be fully functional on Cowon D2 by 2010? |
| 07:11:38 | JdGordon | we are presently look at a spring 2013 release date, we wont bow to marketing pressure |
| 07:13:37 | martian67 | JdGordon, might get pushed back to 1015 |
| 07:13:40 | martian67 | JdGordon, might get pushed back to 2015 |
| 07:13:44 | martian67 | funding delays :/ |
| 07:13:50 | pixelma | webguest49: no-one can predict that. Rockbox is a volunteer effort and you can't make people work on something, so can't and won't give time estimates. The D2 port is more or less a one person project so even harder to predict... it would help if you find interested coders with some skills |
| 07:13:51 | martian67 | you know how head office is |
| 07:15:01 | CIA-61 | New commit by jdgordon (r22421): hopefully fix the yellow |
| 07:17:07 | webguest49 | What is the best way to fund Rockbox transfer on D2? |
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| 07:19:11 | pixelma | there is no funding for specific ports -as I said your best bet would be to gather interest and find other coders that are really able to help |
| 07:20:16 | pixelma | in case you find an interested one and he doesn't have a D2 yet, you could fund him by giving him a D2 |
| 07:20:20 | webguest49 | Thanks |
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| 07:38:51 | pixelma | JdGordon: can't find something obvious at a first glance with my c200 WPS, Skin RAM usage is 5.35kB/23.2kB if you are curious (not many images, the few it has are monochrome, but some 20 viewports) |
| 07:39:17 | JdGordon | great |
| 07:40:04 | JdGordon | I think we can make a case for shrinking the buffer down a bit, but I dunno if its worth it or not |
| 07:40:49 | JdGordon | 20kb isnt exactly a huge amount of compressed audio... |
| 07:40:56 | * | Unhelpful thought the point was to make the buffer dynamic... |
| 07:41:20 | JdGordon | yes and no |
| 07:41:30 | JdGordon | the main point was to use the ram better |
| 07:42:33 | JdGordon | I am thinking about adding a user setting for how much to waste, but probaly will get rejected.. "as small as possible" "tiny", "small", "medium", "huge" etc... |
| 07:43:29 | * | Unhelpful thinks that if dynamic can be done without onerous requirements, that's the best use ;) |
| 07:44:04 | JdGordon | we can only go smaller between reboots, so some argue there is no point making it user choosable |
| 07:44:42 | Unhelpful | buffer_alloc space can't be returned without reboot? |
| 07:44:57 | JdGordon | it will get very interesting when the statusbar and fm are skinned though |
| 07:45:10 | JdGordon | no |
| 07:45:49 | JdGordon | well, in theory the last one alloced could be shrunk. but no way will we do that |
| 07:51:43 | Unhelpful | because it could just end up being broken when something else comes along to use buffer_alloc after it? |
| 07:51:55 | JdGordon | yeah |
| 07:53:11 | * | Unhelpful will have to think about incorporating resize of buffer_alloc'd buffers into his Grand Not-A-Malloc Buffer Scheme ;) |
| 07:53:41 | Unhelpful | removing the reboot requirement for settings that change buffer_alloc use would be a nice-to-have, also. :) |
| 07:54:20 | JdGordon | yeah, I doubt it will ever happen though... there is just too much that uses it |
| 07:54:54 | JdGordon | I thought about using an event which would get everything to realloc what it needs, but thats not safe |
| 07:54:59 | JdGordon | or good |
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| 08:01:13 | Unhelpful | so... i've used 1.3KB of... 168KB total? |
| 08:01:53 | JdGordon | text only wps? |
| 08:03:50 | Unhelpful | i believe i've a bitmap progressbar... but it's only 2px high or so, and mono as well. |
| 08:05:10 | JdGordon | so 1.3K is expected |
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| 08:05:47 | JdGordon | hmm... is it a .bmp progressbar? or the inbuilt one? |
| 08:05:53 | pixelma | Unhelpful: don't you have big album art? Is that counted somewhere |
| 08:06:04 | JdGordon | thats not part of the skin count |
| 08:06:23 | Unhelpful | AA bmps are stored as buffer objects :) |
| 08:06:50 | pixelma | you couldn't see progress on a 2px high inbuilt progressbar as that could only display its frame |
| 08:07:18 | * | Unhelpful points up re: UnheplfulAA's progressbar |
| 08:08:09 | JdGordon | oh right |
| 08:08:15 | JdGordon | yeah 1.3K sounds correct |
| 08:08:19 | * | pixelma thinks it would be nice if "make reconf" could deal with advanced build options (better) |
| 08:09:10 | Unhelpful | and the 168K comes from where? |
| 08:11:01 | JdGordon | enough to store 1 full screen 24bit image, and 1 half screen mono i tinhk |
| 08:11:27 | JdGordon | no, 1 24bit and 2 mono images |
| 08:11:50 | JdGordon | skin_buffer.c if you want to manually change that |
| 08:11:52 | Unhelpful | heheheh.... pb.bmp is the only theme bitmap, and it's a whopping 186B |
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| 08:39:02 | JucaBlues | what are the tech requirements for running rockbox? |
| 08:39:41 | GodEater | JucaBlues: what do you mean ? |
| 08:40:06 | GodEater | you need a supported player, and you need a PC that is running Windows / OSX or some flavour of linux to do the install |
| 08:40:07 | JucaBlues | I mean... if I have a portable music player that is not officially supported yet, how should I proceed in order to figure out if it is even possible to port RB ? |
| 08:40:09 | GodEater | that's about it |
| 08:40:16 | GodEater | ah I see |
| 08:40:29 | JucaBlues | what are the common code injection procedures? |
| 08:40:34 | JucaBlues | used to install RB |
| 08:40:40 | GodEater | that varies entirely from player to player |
| 08:40:43 | GodEater | http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/NewPort |
| 08:40:47 | GodEater | have a read of that |
| 08:40:53 | JucaBlues | thanks |
| 08:42:17 | GodEater | which player are you looking at out of interest ? |
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| 13:07:47 | pyro_maniac | i was trying to compile sansapatcher with this result: make: *** No rule to make target `firmware.mi4', needed by `bootimg_c200.c'. |
| 13:08:41 | CIA-61 | New commit by alle (r22424): Fix typo in the comment |
| 13:11:55 | kugel | pyro_maniac: you need the c200 bootloader image |
| 13:12:23 | pyro_maniac | kugel: but i want to compile it for a e200 |
| 13:12:38 | kugel | sansapatcher needs both |
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| 13:14:20 | fml | Is it possible to switch the scroll bar on/off on non bitmap LCDs? |
| 13:16:59 | pamaury | hello, I have a new question about storage: does rockbox support multiple partition per drive ? |
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| 13:23:24 | n1s | pamaury: you might need to enable it witha a define |
| 13:24:06 | Grahack | Hi, some of my playlists have a file name beginning with an underscore and used to be sorted at the end of the catalog. Is it me or this behaviour changed recently (say within a month) ? Is there a mean to sort them at the end back ? |
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| 13:27:34 | pamaury | n1s: so it supports it ? I mean, for example, if on disk has two partitions, is it possible to access the two filesystems with rockbox ? |
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| 13:30:17 | Grahack | from http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/NoDo You can partition your player fine, just make sure the first one is FAT32 and then make the other ones whatever file system you want. Just don't expect Rockbox to understand them. |
| 13:31:19 | pamaury | Yes but if other partitions are FAT32 ? |
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| 13:32:53 | Grahack | Good question, I was just realizing that your question may be about FAT32 only. I have no answer, but nls talked about a define... |
| 13:33:33 | kugel | pamaury: rockbox should support that |
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| 13:35:12 | pamaury | kugel: And how exactly it works ? I saw that there is the "storage" api in RB but I belive a storage=disk, no ? So how can you get the number of partitions per drive and how do you access them ? |
| 13:39:09 | pamaury | Looking at the code, I begin to understand (I hope !): there are volume which are logical drives and contains filesystem and each drive can coutains several volumes, am I correct ? Them is there a way to know which volume belong to which drive and conversely ? |
| 13:41:34 | kugel | pamaury: ask gevaerts about the specifics, but i had this commit in my mind: r21933: |
| 13:41:48 | kugel | there are volumes and drives, yes |
| 13:48:55 | pamaury | ok ,thanks. I'll ask gevaerts later |
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| 14:10:54 | l403 | looking at http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/MrSomeonesTodoList I see the settings_list task has been already done so another task can be added for someone to mark it as done |
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| 14:44:48 | langzeitstudent_ | Hmm my player (cowon D2) does not have a "play" key. Now I can not say "yes" to any question (e.g. "erease dynamic playlist")... is there any way to get around this without messing with the source code...? :/ |
| 14:46:55 | bertrik | IIRC, some targets use a PLAY button to confirm, others use SELECT |
| 14:47:27 | bertrik | SELECT being the middle button in some kind of up/down/left/right button layout |
| 14:48:16 | bertrik | changing between the play button and the select button for confirmation actions can be done quite easily in the language definition files |
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| 14:49:14 | langzeitstudent_ | ah, thought it'd be like the stuff mentioned in the UI simulator button stuff (http://svn.rockbox.org/viewvc.cgi/trunk/uisimulator/sdl/button.c?&view=markup) |
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| 14:52:10 | bertrik | yeah, it's not just the language file |
| 14:52:18 | langzeitstudent_ | Hrm.. the d2 is not mentioned in the list. |
| 14:53:02 | langzeitstudent_ | which means "*: "PLAY = Yes"" is used :/ |
| 14:53:16 | langzeitstudent_ | or is that just the text to display? :P |
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| 14:57:22 | langzeitstudent_ | ah found it, i guess. but that means i really do have to get my crossdev toolchain working.. bah |
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| 15:02:19 | teru | the button to say yes seems to be TOPRIGHT for touchscreen targets. |
| 15:04:29 | langzeitstudent_ | the current array for "static const struct button_mapping button_context_yesno[]" is empty (at least in my "trunk" checkout); i just added "{ ACTION_YESNO_ACCEPT, BUTTON_MENU, BUTTON_NONE }" to the list. i wonder if I can check it with the ui simulator? |
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| 15:08:58 | kugel | teru: hi |
| 15:09:21 | kugel | thanks for the fixup of the anti-aliased fonts patch. it seems a lot slower than previous versions though |
| 15:10:14 | ZincAlloy | kugel: did you use a smaller font for the new version of "Slick" on purpose? |
| 15:10:42 | kugel | ZincAlloy: yea, I noticed the wps has info that isn't shown with the bigger font |
| 15:11:30 | ZincAlloy | :D I left that in because it kinda worked with a smaller font |
| 15:12:39 | ZincAlloy | but most of the information will need some nudging.. |
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| 15:13:12 | kugel | my wps screenshot is a bit messed up :( |
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| 15:14:33 | kugel | ZincAlloy: have you seen my screenshot with the custom statusbar at http://forums.rockbox.org/index.php?topic=22495.0 ? |
| 15:14:49 | ZincAlloy | yes, very nice |
| 15:15:47 | kugel | cabbie isn't so well prepared for that sort of stuff :/ |
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| 15:16:00 | ZincAlloy | it doesn't need that sort of stuff |
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| 15:16:24 | GodEater | cabbiev2 you mean :) |
| 15:16:30 | ZincAlloy | right :) |
| 15:16:46 | ZincAlloy | but the placement of viewports leaves a lot to be desired on many targets |
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| 15:17:23 | kugel | sure it needs that, every theme does :) |
| 15:18:09 | ZincAlloy | I guess this new feature will be overused in no time :) |
| 15:18:22 | langzeitstudent_ | bertrik, it works now, at least in the ui simulator. is that enough to create a bug & append patch? |
| 15:18:57 | kugel | the fine thing is, you can use every wps tag, so you can make it exxagerated or minimal :p |
| 15:19:19 | kugel | exaggerated* |
| 15:20:18 | ZincAlloy | btw, I believe there's some themes with licensing issues on the theme site |
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| 15:20:52 | kugel | IMO, the default theme should make use of that |
| 15:20:53 | ZincAlloy | that series of win xp/media player themes for nano... |
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| 15:28:23 | CIA-61 | New commit by blue_dude (r22427): Resort, upnumber plugin API |
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| 15:30:36 | teru | kugel: hmm. I use anti-aliased font with gigabeat x and I don't feel it's slow... so i don't feel like to try to speed up. |
| 15:33:05 | kugel | it's slower than the versions before on my fuze & e200 |
| 15:33:18 | kugel | so I suspect your changes |
| 15:33:41 | linuxstb | teru: The gigabeat X is one of the fastest devices... |
| 15:33:54 | teru | there seems to be some strange changes in my patch compared to original patch. reverting them to original might help? |
| 15:34:37 | kugel | I will try, what exactly is unsupported in the versions before? I've never noticed something that the AAF cant do |
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| 15:41:21 | ZincAlloy | kugel: here's an improved version of the slick wps: http://pastie.org/588468 changes are subtle, but it looks much better now |
| 15:44:08 | teru | the only reason i tried to support all drawmode is text in lrcplayer, plugin I wrote, wasn't shown as I expected. i don't remember reason of other changes. |
| 15:47:04 | CIA-61 | New commit by teru (r22428): shortcuts_view: fix displaying last path segments so that plugin exactly shows what is said in the manual. ... |
| 15:49:36 | kugel | ZincAlloy: your theme, I won't argue :) but maybe base it on my version (so that the version number increases properly) I haven't made any changes to the wps |
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| 15:51:47 | ZincAlloy | I did, I only tweaked the placement of viewports in the wps a bit and updated the version number :) |
| 15:52:20 | ZincAlloy | I kinda like the smaller font ;) |
| 15:52:37 | kugel | ZincAlloy: oh, I uploaded the wrong .wps |
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| 15:53:49 | ZincAlloy | I see :) |
| 15:55:09 | bertrik | langzeitstudent_, I'm not _really_ a button expert, but a flyspray patch sounds like a good idea |
| 15:55:18 | kugel | ZincAlloy: do you want to reupload? |
| 15:55:37 | ZincAlloy | right, I'll do it.. |
| 15:57:47 | CIA-61 | New commit by teru (r22429): brickmania: fix position of score in function brickmania_sleep. |
| 15:59:47 | langzeitstudent_ | bertrik, well its up: http://www.rockbox.org/tracker/task/10548 |
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| 16:00:45 | kugel | Why top right? |
| 16:01:01 | langzeitstudent_ | first time i ever created a patch, hope it works xD |
| 16:01:29 | langzeitstudent_ | kugel, dunno. the keymap-touchscreen uses it |
| 16:01:44 | kugel | isn't center basically select? |
| 16:03:05 | kugel | langzeitstudent_: the keymap-cowond2.c isn't meant for BUTTON_TOPRIGHT etc (i.e. the grid mode buttons) |
| 16:04:15 | kugel | for the grid mode, we have keymap-touchscreen.c which already has yesno_accept (also top right). |
| 16:04:33 | langzeitstudent_ | ah. well the touchscreen keymap wasnt used, though. well i'll remove the topright thingy then |
| 16:05:28 | kugel | are you sure? you need to turn the grid mode (in the settings) on for that |
| 16:05:58 | langzeitstudent_ | is there a way to replace attached files? |
| 16:06:59 | kugel | no |
| 16:07:10 | kugel | not for normal people at least :) |
| 16:07:57 | ZincAlloy | kugel: ok, new version is up |
| 16:08:49 | kugel | ZincAlloy: I can delete the other one, right? |
| 16:09:25 | ZincAlloy | sure :) |
| 16:10:21 | langzeitstudent_ | kugel, 'kay i'll add another file then ah, just checked again; the topright thingy works. i wonder why it didnt before, had the gridmode on. |
| 16:11:23 | kugel | the yesno screen ought to be remade for touchscreen targets |
| 16:11:31 | langzeitstudent_ | "normal people" cant edit their reports either? |
| 16:11:43 | kugel | that's correct |
| 16:12:15 | kugel | with a nice big green button in the middle and red around, so that you touch the actual "I agree" button :> |
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| 16:14:01 | ZincAlloy | thanks alot, kugel! |
| 16:15:12 | kugel | you're welcome :) |
| 16:16:17 | langzeitstudent_ | alright.. 2nd version up then |
| 16:17:08 | kugel | now both top right and menu work (in grid mode)? |
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| 16:51:59 | pamaury | Is it normal that a recent commit broke the code ? (I get ‘LANG_SKIN_RAM_USAGE’ undeclared) |
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| 16:54:19 | JdGordon | pamaury: do make clean |
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| 16:55:09 | pamaury | arf, ok I'll need a full build |
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| 17:02:32 | kugel | hmm, statusbar is 1.4k binsize, 330bytes of that is fixing tokens to be id3==NULL safe |
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| 17:07:24 | JdGordon | kugel: and thats somehow a problem? |
| 17:07:40 | JdGordon | I just freed up 4K on just about all targets |
| 17:07:47 | dberg918 | just noticed that the "customlist" patch got committed, is there a wiki page somewhere with instructions for using it? |
| 17:07:51 | kugel | no, I was just saying |
| 17:08:01 | dberg918 | I couldn't find anything |
| 17:08:10 | kugel | there's another 1.8k that may be freed |
| 17:08:18 | kugel | after that wps_data is rather tiny :) |
| 17:09:30 | BBBradley | If anyone here plays with USB charging, I am trying to disable USB charging on the Ipod Video.I want to plug my Ipod into another portable device and not use any power from it. So I am trying to figure out if I can control the suspend pin on the LTC4066 from a GPIO pin on the PP5021c |
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| 17:11:18 | kugel | dberg918: see forums |
| 17:11:40 | Torne | BBBradley: I doubt we know |
| 17:12:56 | Torne | BBBradley: we know which GPIO is the 100/500mA selector. Maybe it's near that? :) |
| 17:13:15 | dberg918 | ah, thank you kugel |
| 17:13:27 | BBBradley | which GPIO is that? |
| 17:13:33 | Torne | see http://www.rockbox.org/tracker/task/8802?getfile=18651 |
| 17:14:57 | BBBradley | I have been playing with this code and wondered if it could turn off USB Charging, so it just switches between 100/500 mA charging? |
| 17:15:10 | Torne | What do you mean? |
| 17:15:26 | Torne | The patch in FS #8802 only toggles HPWR on the LTC4066 |
| 17:15:51 | Torne | oh, wait, no it doesn't |
| 17:16:23 | Torne | Actually I think it might already be doing hwat you want, or at least it might have been believed to |
| 17:16:26 | Torne | have you tried it? |
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| 17:17:59 | BBBradley | I cut the USB cable and inserted a current monitor and yes have tried the code but it has not dropped to zero. |
| 17:18:30 | Torne | It's unlikely to drop to zero even if it's *not* charging.. |
| 17:18:41 | Torne | the USB PHY itself might draw a little anyway |
| 17:18:42 | BBBradley | I see |
| 17:18:44 | Torne | how much does it draw? |
| 17:18:57 | BBBradley | about 31 mA |
| 17:19:11 | Torne | what state was the battery in at the time? |
| 17:19:14 | Torne | fully hcarged already/ |
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| 17:19:29 | BBBradley | The battery is fully charged |
| 17:19:40 | Torne | Well, you can't test it like that ;) |
| 17:19:52 | bertrik | 30 mA is about the normal idle current draw of many players |
| 17:19:54 | Torne | once th ebattery is fully charged it will draw less *anyway* |
| 17:20:02 | Torne | 30mA is indeed about right for idle draw for the ipodvideo |
| 17:20:08 | Torne | which suggests it is still powering itself off the usb port |
| 17:20:38 | BBBradley | well is there a way to not draw any from the USB port? Is the SUSP controllable on the 4066? |
| 17:21:07 | Torne | We have no idea |
| 17:21:22 | Torne | Well, I have no idea and I can't find anything on the wiki that indicates anyone else does |
| 17:21:25 | BBBradley | So if I figure out do you want to know? |
| 17:21:28 | Torne | dreamlayers might, potentially |
| 17:21:39 | BBBradley | I think we have to cut one apart to find out. |
| 17:21:59 | Torne | If you can find definitive answers for which GPIOs are connected where for anything w edon't already know we'd like to know :) |
| 17:22:14 | BBBradley | ok |
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| 17:23:50 | BBBradley | Torne: is there a document of the known GPIO from the portal player? |
| 17:29:46 | Torne | BBBradley: not sure i'm afraid. |
| 17:33:02 | linuxstb | BBBradley: I think there was a list maintained on the ipodlinux wiki, but that site is down... |
| 17:36:23 | amiconn | JdGordon: You freed ram though, which is good, but binsize increased |
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| 17:41:46 | BBBradley | Torne: I am checking to see if the LTC4066 SUSP is connected to the PP5021c, from the 4066fc.pdf document it shows that it is asserted high and has an internal pull down. So this means it would not need to be connected to anything to use the chip, that power flows by default. |
| 17:42:29 | Torne | yes. this is not surprising :) |
| 17:42:41 | Torne | it is quite possible that it isn't connected, therefore. |
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| 17:43:50 | Torne | are you really in a position where it's going to hurt that much to have <=100mA being drawn? :) |
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| 17:52:40 | BBBradley | Torne: I suspect yes. I don't want to use any of the battery power in the device I'm plugging into. |
| 17:53:58 | Torne | yes. but what i'm saying is it's probably tough, and even if not then it will likely be very difficult to discover how to stop, so maybe you should reexamine how much you care about the <=100mA in the light of that |
| 17:54:43 | Torne | :) |
| 17:55:43 | BBBradley | I might have to go with a bigger battery then. |
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| 18:07:26 | BBBradley | Torne: why is the ipodlinux wiki down? will it be up again ever? |
| 18:08:18 | Torne | No idea, and probably not |
| 18:08:25 | Torne | http://web.archive.org/web/20080205093958/http://ipodlinux.org/ |
| 18:09:10 | BBBradley | How old is Rockbox and are the people who started it still working on it? |
| 18:11:31 | Torne | ~8 years, and i think so |
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| 18:22:18 | linuxstb | BBBradley: I believe it was hacked, so they turned the server off and they haven't got round to restoring it yet. |
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| 18:25:31 | white_magic | hi |
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| 18:37:36 | white_magic | does Rockbox support xvid or divx? |
| 18:39:37 | BBBradley | linuxstb thanks |
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| 18:42:32 | kkurbjun | white_magic: not currently |
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| 18:47:05 | white_magic | ahh |
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| 18:48:13 | white_magic | can you guys recommend a particular player to use with rockbox? i only care about price and battery lifetime |
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| 18:50:29 | moos | white_magic: depending on what's you are searching for. Here is an usufull link: http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/BuyersGuide |
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| 18:54:43 | Mags81 | yo fellas, any updates on rockbox development for Sansa Fuze v2 devices? |
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| 19:00:01 | saratoga | check the wiki |
| 19:00:09 | saratoga | but probably no unless you haven't looked in ages |
| 19:00:59 | white_magic | thanks, moos |
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| 19:15:05 | white_magic | for the battery lifetime specs in the Buyer's Guide, is it for audio or video? |
| 19:15:19 | JdGordon| | aidio |
| 19:15:23 | JdGordon| | audio even |
| 19:18:06 | white_magic | i see :( |
| 19:19:42 | JdGordon| | if you want video you're a bit lost.. |
| 19:19:51 | JdGordon| | unless you enjoy converting to mpeg2 |
| 19:25:28 | bertrik | getting the meizu m6 display to work looks doable so far |
| 19:27:06 | JdGordon| | arg, this "nothing to resume" splash on startup is really bloody annoying :p |
| 19:34:30 | ej0rge | JdGordon|: that's why i use "previous screen" instead of "resume playback" |
| 19:34:44 | JdGordon| | smarty pants :) |
| 19:35:08 | * | JdGordon| forgot about that option |
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| 19:53:35 | bertrik | wow, the meizu m6 can do quite advanced stuff in the lcd controller already with back and foreground buffers, OSD and alpha blending |
| 19:56:36 | JdGordon| | you found a datasheet? |
| 19:58:10 | bertrik | the meizu m6 uses the lcd controller inside the s5l8700 and we have a datasheet of that |
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| 19:59:15 | JdGordon| | ah cool :) |
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| 20:05:51 | bertrik | the built-in lcd controller is a dma bus master, so lcd updates will probably be very fast (as fast as a memcpy) |
| 20:08:09 | amiconn | The problem with special lcd controller features is that they aren't portable |
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| 20:10:24 | amiconn | So they could only be used on certain targets, and that means either restricting usage to plugins which would run on those targets only, or even worse, introducing lots of ifdefs in the core |
| 20:10:40 | bertrik | yeah, the lcd controller frame buffer is already in system memory IIUC, so we'll both a "rockbox frame buffer" and the lcd controller framebuffer in memory |
| 20:11:07 | amiconn | I'm not referring to special ways to speed up updating, but things like hardware transparency, multiple buffers etc |
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| 20:11:40 | JdGordon| | wouldnt it make sense to use those extra buffers instead of RAM anyway? even if there is a few extra #ifdefs? |
| 20:11:47 | JdGordon| | and the mr500 can do OSD also iirc |
| 20:12:21 | amiconn | Probably the earliest example was the old 'oscillograph' plugin. Originally written for the archos bitmap lcd, it used a special hardware scrolling feature, making it unportable to the irivers (which were newly added back then) |
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| 20:13:14 | amiconn | Instead of working around, 'oscillograph' was later replaced by the more flexible 'oscilloscope' which uses framebuffer based scrolling, and hence can work on all bitmap targets |
| 20:13:49 | CIA-61 | New commit by mcuelenaere (r22430): Dutch translation: be consistent w.r.t. scrollbar |
| 20:17:16 | mcuelenaere | JdGordon|: yes, the DM320 has some 2D acceleration features and the hardware has its framebuffer in main RAM; so there are 2 framebuffers (I remember mapping the lcd_framebuffer[][] as the hardware framebuffer on the ZVM, but that gave the effect like if you would do lcd_update() after every lcd_* operation) |
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| 20:22:25 | n1s | amiconn: that's true for any special hardware features and of course the advantage of using the feature should be weighted against the code clutter imo |
| 20:22:39 | amiconn | sure |
| 20:23:24 | amiconn | If an lcd controller would e.g. offer a yuv overlay, it should of course be used for lcd_blit_yuv |
| 20:24:02 | amiconn | This wouldn't require any ifdefing, and the advantage of using it would be quite high |
| 20:24:55 | n1s | yeah, do yo know what kind of magic the beast' lcd controller could do, i think i remember something about colorspace conversion |
| 20:24:59 | JdGordon| | but wouldnt the ifdef for these features be really low down? |
| 20:25:36 | saratoga | IIRC it can do colorspace conversion and hardware resizing |
| 20:26:23 | n1s | MrSomeone should look into using that :) |
| 20:27:55 | saratoga | first he should get teh S to be a supported target |
| 20:28:27 | saratoga | do we have a TODO list for the S somewhere? I've forgotten where we stand on it |
| 20:29:24 | * | Torne writes himself a note to remind him to actually reverse more of the S bootrom |
| 20:30:02 | saratoga | Torne: were you working on reflashing the S bootrom? |
| 20:30:34 | Torne | i'm working on grokking what it does, for several reasons. reflashing could be one, but the more immediate two were "why do later firmware versions not seem to work with a single boot bootloader" and "why doe sit reformat sometimes" |
| 20:30:55 | amiconn | JdGordon: That very much depends on what kind of feature it is. The mentioned hardware scrolling (or hardware rotation rather) wasn't transparent at all, because it needed a special function in the lcd driver setting the amount of rotation |
| 20:31:40 | amiconn | The plugin (oscillograph) had to call this, and then take it into account when placing other elements (i.e text) as well |
| 20:32:09 | amiconn | It also had to reset it on exit, otherwise the whole ui would stay rotated until shutdown |
| 20:35:03 | saratoga | Torne: is reflashing it feasible? is there a way to recover from a bad flash (JTAG?) |
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| 20:48:44 | n1s | saratoga: i don't know what is needed either but i'm guessing installing from windows is pretty involved still? |
| 20:48:44 | amiconn | Torne: Extended question: why does it reformat on some units if it detects a broken firmware, but not on others? |
| 20:49:24 | amiconn | Mine complained about a broken firmware once so that I had to restore it, but my data partition was kept intact |
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| 20:53:08 | kkurbjun | the MR500 already takes advantage of hardware transparencies and YUV frame buffers. It uses them in the mpeg player to zoom the yuv frame buffer and uses the RGB overlay to show the video progress |
| 20:53:25 | kkurbjun | (and other bits of status) |
| 20:54:43 | kkurbjun | there is also DMA setup to make lcd updates extremely fast, but unfortunately it can't rotate while updating |
| 20:55:00 | kkurbjun | so that would force it to 480x640 when the natural player orientation is 640x480 |
| 20:55:20 | kkurbjun | I get over 150fps when running at 480x640, and around 20 fps at 640x480 :-D |
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| 20:59:09 | amiconn | Would it be deisrable to use a transposed framebuffer on the mr500 then? |
| 20:59:43 | amiconn | It would mean updates will be >150fps, but native bitmap drawing would be slower (no more simple memcpy()ing) |
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| 21:00:21 | kkurbjun | wouldn't that require changes to the way that all of the lcd routines work? |
| 21:00:57 | amiconn | Mono bitmaps (i.e. text) need special handling anyway. It would also mean to introduce an new framebuffer-level driver, something like lcd-16bit-t.c |
| 21:01:07 | JdGordon| | 480x640 is portaight yeah? |
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| 21:01:24 | linuxstb | n1s: I _think_ beastpatcher.exe makes installation from windows OK now. I did write a to-do for the Beast a long time ago, probably on the GigabeatSPort page |
| 21:01:32 | amiconn | Hmm, in fact native bitmaps could stay fast as well - they would be in a different native format as well in this case |
| 21:01:58 | kkurbjun | oh, true, and I guess loading images would jsut require the transpose at load time |
| 21:02:12 | amiconn | yes |
| 21:02:25 | kkurbjun | JdGordon, yes, it is portrait mode |
| 21:02:26 | amiconn | Image loading needs to process things anyway |
| 21:02:47 | kkurbjun | what about a plugin like stars? |
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| 21:02:54 | amiconn | What about it? |
| 21:03:07 | linuxstb | n1s: It seems that getting beastpatccher to run on OS X is troublesome, but I don't think anyone would say that alone should delay "supported" status. |
| 21:03:11 | kkurbjun | does it draw direct to the framebuffer? |
| 21:03:15 | JdGordon| | kkurbjun: ok, seems a bit funny that its set up with fast updates in portait when the OF is landscape :) |
| 21:03:36 | n1s | linuxstb: i agree with that |
| 21:03:48 | amiconn | kkurbjun: stars? Why should it draw directly? |
| 21:04:00 | kkurbjun | well, I don't know if the OF ever took advantage of the dma hardware that way - I havn't committed it to svn yet since it still needs to be cleaned up some |
| 21:04:28 | amiconn | There are a few plugins drawing directly - they would need a new #ifdef LCD_PIXELFORMAT == ... section |
| 21:05:18 | amiconn | The question is whether the gain is worh the hassle |
| 21:05:24 | kkurbjun | yeah, doom and rockboy draw direct.. I was thinking of starfield −− I assumed that it was drawing direct, but I might be mistaken |
| 21:05:26 | amiconn | It's certainly all doable |
| 21:05:49 | amiconn | Maybe also plasma, fire and similar |
| 21:06:10 | amiconn | The xlcd pluginlib would also need to be extended |
| 21:06:12 | linuxstb | Pacbox also draws directly, and I would imagine zxbox as well. i.e. all the emulators |
| 21:06:25 | kkurbjun | I think it would be nice for basic browsing −− right now even scrolling in lists with a rotated screen is choppy.. I think that the rotation code could be better written to make that better though |
| 21:06:56 | saratoga | so the remaining issue figuring out why non-dual boot installs sometimes get corrupted? |
| 21:07:59 | kkurbjun | right now it's not optimized at all... |
| 21:08:34 | linuxstb | saratoga: I think the main issue is simply doing binary releases of beastpatcher and the bootloader, and making sure the install procedure is correctly documented in the manual. |
| 21:09:21 | saratoga | whats needed to build beastpatcher for windows? |
| 21:09:46 | linuxstb | Some MS compiler I think. |
| 21:10:14 | saratoga | i have an unmodded S here, i can try it if someone builds the compiler |
| 21:10:18 | saratoga | or if i find a VS machine somewhere |
| 21:10:24 | n1s | finally getting the beast supported would be great :) |
| 21:10:47 | saratoga | yeah might encourage someone to pick up work on it again |
| 21:10:52 | saratoga | its a great piece of hardware |
| 21:11:11 | * | linuxstb looks around for Swedes to move the pp-bootloaders... |
| 21:11:31 | saratoga | i asked last night and the issue was figuring otu what rbutil needs each one to be called |
| 21:12:16 | linuxstb | Surely they simply just need to be named the same as the current versions? |
| 21:12:29 | amiconn | kkurbjun: There's certainly some optimisation potential... |
| 21:12:48 | linuxstb | That's how all previous versions have been released - the existing files moved into an "old" directory, and the new versions replace them. |
| 21:13:36 | amiconn | It's currently copying in 16 bit amounts in a way that probably causes frequent cache misses |
| 21:14:18 | amiconn | kkurbjun: How fast are portrait mode updates but without dma? |
| 21:15:47 | kkurbjun | yeah, that's what I was thinking, if I had it doing a large read with multiple registers it would probably speed it up quite a bit- the hardware supports bursting at least on the DMA side in chunks of 32 bytes - I don't know if the cache does a burst but it may.. I'm not sure offhand, let me do a test. |
| 21:16:03 | saratoga | what about the YH-XXX tagets |
| 21:16:10 | saratoga | i think we have everything ready for them now? |
| 21:16:18 | amiconn | You could do 32 bit or even 64 bit reads and writes, with the right register shuffling magic |
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| 21:17:47 | linuxstb | saratoga: I've no idea about that. Does the latest rbutil release support them? |
| 21:18:27 | saratoga | it does with added INI |
| 21:18:33 | saratoga | otherwise you have to recompile from SVN IIRC |
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| 21:19:15 | saratoga | http://svn.rockbox.org/viewvc.cgi/trunk/rbutil/rbutilqt/rbutil.ini?r1=22230;r2=22231;pathrev=22231 |
| 21:19:17 | linuxstb | saratoga: (reading the logs from 2 days ago), Zagor asked for someone to produce a zip with them in the right locations? |
| 21:19:30 | saratoga | for other PP not YH right? |
| 21:19:48 | bluebrother | saratoga: I can provide you windows binaries of beastpatcher. |
| 21:19:52 | linuxstb | The problem with that is that it will overwrite the existing files, which it would be nice to backup. |
| 21:20:10 | linuxstb | s/backup/move to archive directories/ |
| 21:20:18 | saratoga | bluebrother: give me one and I'll try to test it tonight or tomorrow |
| 21:20:36 | saratoga | do we have binaries released for the YH bootloaders? |
| 21:20:44 | saratoga | i guess we could do it the same time as the other PP bootloaders |
| 21:21:38 | bluebrother | saratoga: I _think_ that's the latest from svn: http://www.alice-dsl.net/dominik.riebeling/rockbox/beastpatcher.zip |
| 21:21:51 | saratoga | thanks I'll try it when i get a chance |
| 21:22:30 | kkurbjun | amiconn: hmm, it's still only 58 fps with the lcd_copy_buffer_rect function |
| 21:22:33 | linuxstb | I can't see any existing YH bootloaders on the download server. |
| 21:22:37 | bluebrother | unfortunately it doesn't have support for dual-boot patching. But AFAICS I need to figure some license stuff before I can integrate that. |
| 21:22:43 | kkurbjun | for a fullscreen update |
| 21:22:50 | kkurbjun | but it's much better than 20 |
| 21:22:54 | kkurbjun | :D |
| 21:23:19 | amiconn | yup |
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| 21:23:31 | bluebrother | saratoga: YH support was added to rbutil, but no bootloaders have been released yet. Thus it's noted as "preliminary" on the wiki page :) |
| 21:23:57 | linuxstb | bluebrother: What license stuff? If you're talking about mknkboot, I wrote that, so am happy to relicense for beastpatcher. It's pretty trivial anyway. |
| 21:23:58 | amiconn | So the question is, are (guesstimated) 40..50fps good enough for landscape, or do we need that transposed pixel format? |
| 21:26:46 | saratoga | well lets release a bootloader along with the other PP ones |
| 21:28:24 | kkurbjun | amiconn: it is much smoother even without dma - lists are noticeably faster and games like bubbles are pretty playable. I think if it could be boosted to around 40/50fps rotated it would be smooth enough that it's not noticeably slow- right now it looks choppy when rotated |
| 21:28:42 | bluebrother | linuxstb: yes, mknkboot would be needed to be BSD too. OTOH I was wondering if going BSD for beastpatcher was needed at all. |
| 21:28:49 | ej0rge | saratoga: the beast bootloader also lacks hold switch detection, iirc |
| 21:29:26 | amiconn | The beast bootloader does hold switch detection, and it's annoying |
| 21:29:42 | ej0rge | it does? mine doesn't. Do i need to update it? |
| 21:30:10 | amiconn | If you accidentally power on with the hold switch enabled (i.e. connecting the charger or usb) it boots into the OF, and then you need access to a battery switch tool to get back into rockbox... |
| 21:30:18 | ej0rge | all the beasts I've rockboxed boot right up with the hold switch enabled |
| 21:30:32 | amiconn | You install single boot? |
| 21:30:47 | ej0rge | single boot, yes, on the ones that are v1.1 OF |
| 21:30:49 | amiconn | Then of course you won't see it boot into the OF |
| 21:31:03 | ej0rge | I did one on v1.2 OF but i sold it. |
| 21:31:18 | amiconn | The hold switch doesn't prevent booting, but it selects between rockbox and OF |
| 21:31:31 | ej0rge | *nod* |
| 21:31:42 | ej0rge | I suppose someone might want the OF for wmp9 videos or usbotg |
| 21:31:57 | amiconn | Imo that's a rather bad way to do this selection, but it's done this way on several other targets too |
| 21:32:24 | ej0rge | I agree. better to use some button if at all possible, and have it shut down if booted with the hold switch enabled |
| 21:32:27 | amiconn | The hold switch should prevent booting, and the selection should be done using button presses during boot |
| 21:32:41 | ej0rge | especially as the beast starts to boot immediately on first press of 'power' |
| 21:33:01 | ej0rge | not like some targets that require you to hold down the button for a bit |
| 21:33:54 | amiconn | On some (most?) targets this "hold down for a bit" requirement is implemented in software |
| 21:34:31 | ej0rge | That brings me to the only other bootloader question i know of - does anybody know the current state of the x5 bootloader with regard to the dual boot patch? |
| 21:34:34 | linuxstb | bluebrother: I thought that debate had already been had? (switching beastpatcher to.BSD) |
| 21:35:08 | ej0rge | iirc there was some concern that the way the dual boot patch for the x5 bootloader works, it could be broken by a fw update from cowon. But that doesn't seem to be anywhere on the horizon anymore. |
| 21:35:58 | ej0rge | I get the impression that the patch was written for the v2 bootloader and is now very outdated. |
| 21:36:11 | bertrik | on a few targets I've seen, the software has to do something to "acknowledge" the power up in order to stay powered on without the powerup button pressed |
| 21:36:31 | amiconn | Basically all... |
| 21:37:29 | amiconn | It's just that on some target *rockbox* or its bootloader doesn't need to do that, in case it is handled by another loader before it |
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| 21:51:52 | Unhelpful | remember, we have pluggable output for the image loaders... and the pictureflow plugin already uses a transposed output plugin, because it renders a column at a time, so it's faster if the cover images are laid out column-first |
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| 21:53:54 | saratoga | was a procedure for tagging a bootloader as a release build ever determined? |
| 21:54:28 | kkurbjun | hmm, last time I tested portrait DMA updates I thought I was getting 150fps - looks like it is around 190 fps in my latest test. |
| 21:54:56 | kkurbjun | Unhelpful: that's interesting I didn't know that pictureflow did that |
| 21:55:57 | Unhelpful | the renderer math is easier by columns... you multiply and divide to get the scaling factor for the column, and then the per-pixel math is only adds and shifts |
| 21:57:28 | bluebrother | linuxstb: sorry, had a phone call. Yep, but I'm kinda wondering about the problem linking GPL software against MS libs. |
| 21:57:48 | saratoga | if the libs come with the OS then its fine |
| 21:57:58 | bluebrother | AFAIK qtscrob links against the same lib and is GPL. |
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| 21:58:32 | bluebrother | well, the lib comes with WMP10. Not sure if that could be considered OS. Nevertheless, we can't distribute it anyway |
| 21:58:33 | linuxstb | Isn't that lib part of Windows Media Player. I wouldnt' call that part of "the OS". |
| 21:59:34 | bluebrother | but even if that isn't an OS lib, is there a problem with the GPL linking against other libs? Did I miss something there? |
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| 22:00:20 | bluebrother | not that it matters much wrt beastpatcher anymore ... |
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| 22:02:39 | saratoga | WMP is included with the OS and thus you can link against it, but obviously not distribute the DLL |
| 22:04:11 | amiconn | WMP10 is not included with the OS, at least not all OS versions it runs on |
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| 22:06:19 | saratoga | WMP10 can be included on any version of Windows install disk that it can run on (since it has slipstream support), if the OEM decides to include it doesn't matter, its still an OS library |
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| 22:07:29 | saratoga | more importantly, its a vender supplied driver for the OS, so you're within both the letter and spirit of the GPL here |
| 22:07:49 | saratoga | the intention isn't to prevent people who closed source drivers from running GPLed software on their PCs |
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| 22:20:30 | bertrik | does rockbox support a framebuffer pixel format where each pixels takes 32-bits as follows: 0x00RRGGBB ? |
| 22:22:44 | bertrik | I guess I should check firmware/export/lcd.h |
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| 22:27:21 | n1s | bertrik: i don't think it uses such a format on any target |
| 22:27:37 | n1s | why not go 24bit though? |
| 22:27:48 | bertrik | argh, I hope I'm mistaken then |
| 22:28:01 | bertrik | n1s, because the LCD controller wants it like that |
| 22:33:24 | n1s | hmm, it doesn't have a 16 bit mode? |
| 22:33:30 | bertrik | this will complicate the Meizu M6 LCD driver quite a bit, the OF seems to use the 24-bit mode |
| 22:33:37 | n1s | btw all our color targets are 16bit |
| 22:33:53 | bertrik | the LCD controller does indeed support 16-bit mode, but that means I cannot just copy the OF settings then |
| 22:33:58 | n1s | s/are/use/ |
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| 22:35:17 | Torne | saratoga: reflashing is feasible but i'm not clear if recovery is possible yet. quite prob ably not. |
| 22:35:39 | Torne | amiconn: it formats just one partition if it can. it only reformats the whole disk if the MBR is damaged or both partitions have faults |
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| 22:36:57 | Torne | amiconn: i've not yet found all the cases that cause a format, but I have documented some of them on the wiki: http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/GigabeatSOriginalLoader |
| 22:39:11 | Torne | saratoga: i've not looked at the actual board, so not sure about JTAG. There might be a viable sequence of oeprations for flashing which leaves it able to recover itself, though. It detects a number of flash errors quite early on and resorts to jumping to the recovery image to get a new firmware |
| 22:42:41 | saratoga | Torne: how much does the firmware actually do? i know on the e200v1, the firmware actually handles so little that it was quite easy to remove it entirely (although some PP code still runs on the internal ROM) |
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| 22:45:02 | Torne | It does rather a lot |
| 22:45:10 | Torne | it's the standard CE bootlaoder |
| 22:45:15 | captainchris | hi everybody |
| 22:45:22 | Torne | loads the CE kernel up in protected mode and all that jazz |
| 22:45:29 | captainchris | i have a ipod nano 4th generation green 8g |
| 22:45:43 | captainchris | and rockbox doesn't want to loadit |
| 22:46:19 | saratoga | rockbox doesn't run on your player |
| 22:46:28 | saratoga | Torne: does it do much we need though? |
| 22:46:45 | Torne | It does SDRAM setup, iomux config, clock programming, etc |
| 22:46:59 | saratoga | hmm and that may not be implemented in rockbox alraedy? |
| 22:47:02 | Torne | which it would be easier if we didn't have to rip off |
| 22:47:02 | Torne | ;0 |
| 22:47:12 | JdGordon| | captainchris: shock horror! probably because its not supposed to! |
| 22:47:23 | Torne | saratoga: i doubt we re-init most of that stuff, no |
| 22:47:51 | Torne | saratoga: we would probably want to jump in at the point the MMU is turned on |
| 22:48:02 | Torne | get their code to copy us to ram and map us then run us :) |
| 22:48:04 | captainchris | saratoga i can't install it because rockbox say th eipod model it doesn't supported |
| 22:48:25 | Torne | captainchris: that's beacuse that ipod model is not supported. it says that, no? |
| 22:48:56 | captainchris | yes |
| 22:48:59 | saratoga | "rockbox doesn't run on your player" |
| 22:49:04 | Torne | so what are you asking? |
| 22:49:20 | Unhelpful | there is a very clear list of supported players on the front page. :P |
| 22:49:31 | captainchris | i'm under linux , and i can't put my music into |
| 22:49:38 | saratoga | Torne: ideally we'd setup the MMU too, having that code for ARMv6 would be nice |
| 22:49:51 | Torne | saratoga: well, yah. I mean we *could* do it all |
| 22:49:54 | saratoga | we'll likely see more of those devices in the future |
| 22:49:59 | Torne | saratoga: but we may have to cleanroom some of it |
| 22:50:07 | Torne | saratoga: as not all the setup is going to be entirely obvious from the manual |
| 22:50:10 | captainchris | under rythmnbox and amarock music appear and on my ipod she doesn't appear |
| 22:50:22 | saratoga | this isn't an ipod support channel, go ask somewhere else |
| 22:50:35 | Torne | saratoga: eg how to set up all the iomux crap for the particular bus arrangement |
| 22:51:23 | Torne | saratoga: anyway i think it's dependant on there being a *vagely* safe way to do it :0 |
| 22:51:55 | Torne | saratoga: my priority is working out how to reliably be able to boot our loader off disk without it ever reformatting or requiring the dualboot loader that we can't make |
| 22:52:07 | saratoga | yeah that makes sense |
| 22:52:28 | saratoga | i thought we can make the dual bootloader now? |
| 22:52:35 | Torne | Oh, i mean, we can |
| 22:52:39 | Torne | but it requires that users do it |
| 22:52:50 | Torne | whereas a single boot bootloader we can distribute as a binary |
| 22:53:09 | Torne | s'perhaps preferable for people who don't care about booting the OF |
| 22:55:34 | Unhelpful | s/make/distribute/ perhaps? |
| 22:55:38 | Torne | Yah. |
| 22:55:58 | Torne | It has to contain the OF bootloader, so installing without being copyright-violatey is slightly fiddly |
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| 22:57:56 | Unhelpful | we could get around this if we patched the flash to test and decide what to boot, and it loaded rbboot.bin or such if told to boot rockbox... |
| 22:58:21 | saratoga | Torne: we require a patched OF for some targets already, so IMO thats not a serious limitation |
| 22:59:00 | Unhelpful | and afaik there's no (reasonable) way to get at the flash, or to install that rbboot.bin, without having already overwritten the OF |
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| 23:00:58 | Torne | saratoga: Well it's not uup to me |
| 23:01:03 | Torne | I'm basically reversing it *anyway* |
| 23:01:10 | Torne | the dual boot hting was just something i was told ;) |
| 23:01:23 | Torne | the original reason i started was to see if the reason it reformats sometimes is tbecause of TFAT |
| 23:01:39 | Torne | because i inadvertantly gave godeater the impression that i might know about transactional filesystems ;) |
| 23:02:20 | * | pixelma sees some weirdness when resuming playlists created with "insert shuffled" again :| |
| 23:03:01 | saratoga | Unhelpful: i wrote a tool a while ago that dumps the OF from the beast during installation |
| 23:03:34 | MG_Man | ...Right well, sorry to interrupt, but I have a question that I think is too smal lto bother with on the forums |
| 23:03:49 | MG_Man | Is there a setting to change the general volume of .SPC files on RockBox? |
| 23:04:06 | MG_Man | So far the codec for it ignores the "Amplification" tag of the ID666 for it |
| 23:04:19 | MG_Man | So it ends up being quieter than other actual music |
| 23:04:27 | n1s | nope, no such setting |
| 23:04:35 | MG_Man | hmm |
| 23:04:36 | Torne | saratoga: anyway, yah. i'm not claiming that it's a showstopper or even professing that I care; i don't use a beast :) |
| 23:04:49 | MG_Man | Does anyone know if there is work to add support for the amplification tag? |
| 23:04:50 | Torne | saratoga: it's just something i expect to find he answer to in the process of other stuff |
| 23:04:52 | n1s | sounds like that tag could be used for replay gain or something |
| 23:05:04 | MG_Man | That's essentially what it is |
| 23:05:13 | MG_Man | It basically makes the file play louder |
| 23:05:14 | pixelma | the correct track is repeated and tracks are still in the same "order" but the playlist is shifted so that the resumed track is either the first in the playlist (and the ones you already heard are put at the end) and one time the resumed track was suddenly the last in the list |
| 23:05:37 | n1s | but no, i've not heard anyone touching that codec in a long time |
| 23:05:41 | Torne | MG_Man: that sounds like we should support it a la replaygain, then :) |
| 23:06:00 | MG_Man | It's in an "extended" version of the tag, so that probably explains why it isnt there, but this tag is in most SPCs |
| 23:06:46 | MG_Man | The problem wit hthat though is that the tag is not a decimal scale |
| 23:06:53 | MG_Man | So 2.0 is not twice the volume |
| 23:07:02 | pixelma | doesn't the recently committed DSP effect help there? |
| 23:07:13 | MG_Man | I think that affects ALL files |
| 23:07:18 | pixelma | I no nothing about SPC files though |
| 23:07:27 | Torne | MG_Man: we can deal with the scale, but it still requires someone to do the work ;) |
| 23:07:30 | pixelma | s/no/know |
| 23:07:35 | Torne | who knows about spc, ideally |
| 23:07:59 | MG_Man | It's a chiptune |
| 23:08:02 | MG_Man | Well |
| 23:08:06 | MG_Man | Basically it's a tracker |
| 23:08:08 | MG_Man | SNES music |
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| 23:08:17 | Torne | i know *what* it is. :) |
| 23:08:23 | MG_Man | Think midi but with patches in the file |
| 23:08:25 | MG_Man | Ah |
| 23:08:25 | Torne | But most people probably know nothing about its internals |
| 23:09:00 | MG_Man | Anyway |
| 23:09:17 | pixelma | MG_Man: which revision of Rockbox are you running exactly? |
| 23:09:20 | MG_Man | The plugin for Rockbox was based off of SNESapu which is an emulator for the SNES chip that plays the music |
| 23:09:22 | MG_Man | Hold on.. |
| 23:09:33 | BdN3504 | for purpose write manual entry "ui viewport" first want import http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/CustomWPS#Viewports section from wiki but in doubt if everything there said right |
| 23:09:46 | MG_Man | r22050-090726 |
| 23:09:54 | MG_Man | For the iriver h340 |
| 23:09:56 | BdN3504 | say "If any viewports are defined, you cannot display text in the default viewport (use it for images only)" |
| 23:10:13 | MG_Man | The codec was added in Feb 07, so that explains the datedness |
| 23:10:35 | n1s | MG_Man: has the upstream changed since then? |
| 23:10:38 | MG_Man | Someone would just need to update it to the latest SnesAPU version,but I'm ntot sure if whoever made the codec before is still around for that |
| 23:11:19 | MG_Man | I'm not sure what you mean by that, still somewhat new to this |
| 23:11:25 | MG_Man | By upstream |
| 23:12:06 | Torne | upstream is the project we got the code from |
| 23:12:08 | Torne | i.e. snesapu |
| 23:12:29 | BdN3504 | this no true, i have written many a theme containing tags before first vp definiton |
| 23:12:48 | MG_Man | I'm pretty sure it has, let me go see |
| 23:13:10 | pixelma | MG_Man: I'm not sure if it does what you want but there was an effect added in r22394 which if I understand correctly "evens" volume (makes silent passages louder, lowers loud passages' volume), maybe it could help there? |
| 23:13:20 | MG_Man | I'll try it |
| 23:13:33 | MG_Man | Since SPC isn't an actual wavetable format, I'm not sure if it does anything |
| 23:13:36 | pixelma | something for every codec though |
| 23:14:02 | pixelma | BdN3504: yes, but I think it was supposed to be true |
| 23:14:24 | * | pixelma played by that rule in own WPSs |
| 23:14:49 | BdN3504 | pixelma: so parser might give error some time soon? |
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| 23:16:45 | pixelma | that's what I always expected because otherwise you have something like overlapping viewports which is a nono and as I heard gives you update problems. Better ask JdGordon| though... ;) |
| 23:17:21 | pixelma | and it would be nice if you talk in more complete sentences, I know you are able to |
| 23:17:44 | JdGordon| | what am I being blamed for? |
| 23:18:56 | pixelma | drawing in the default vp is still possible even if you use other viewports, I thought that wasn't possible or shouldn't be |
| 23:19:03 | MG_Man | Well I figured out the amplification is bu dB |
| 23:19:04 | MG_Man | by* |
| 23:19:23 | JdGordon| | pixelma: ah shoot... did I mess up the check? you should only be able to draw images in it... |
| 23:19:33 | MG_Man | There's a general pre-amp and then one for every song |
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| 23:20:29 | JdGordon| | I wonder if there would be a huge outcry if we forced the skin to specify its vewport instead of assuming 0,0,width,height? that would nicely avoid the issue |
| 23:20:54 | MG_Man | It would also break some skins too, but it might be easy to fix |
| 23:21:04 | pixelma | JdGordon|: hmm, I didn't even do that... lot of other themers do though, I didn't follow whether they only use it for images or not |
| 23:21:13 | MG_Man | As long as someone fixes them, I don't think it'll be a big problem |
| 23:22:16 | JdGordon| | I didnt on purpose change any of the exsisting drawing behaviour |
| 23:22:24 | MG_Man | Anyway, I can't find a simulator more up to date that I have now |
| 23:22:26 | JdGordon| | IIRC really only text wasnt allowed in the default vp |
| 23:23:27 | pixelma | JdGordon|: BdN3504 asked to be precise in the description of viewports in the manual. I could imagine that forcing them to define a viewport now would break quite a few WPSs |
| 23:23:32 | MG_Man | Anyway, I'm pretty sure there's an spc to tracker converter out there, which would allow me to change the volume for the song myself |
| 23:24:00 | BdN3504 | pixelma: JdGordon|: can't we drop that rule? what harm does it do if we have some text before the vPs? |
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| 23:24:26 | pixelma | overlapping viewports? |
| 23:24:31 | JdGordon| | pixelma: it would break heaps... but maybe a warning would be good |
| 23:24:35 | BdN3504 | pixelma: JdGordon|: and also, i don't see why viewports can't overlap, if they can |
| 23:24:49 | JdGordon| | i tinhk the comment in the code blames conditionals for it actually |
| 23:25:00 | BdN3504 | not, then there is no use in introducing the conditionals |
| 23:25:06 | BdN3504 | conditional vps i mean |
| 23:25:20 | JdGordon| | not conditional vps... conditional tokens |
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| 23:25:34 | JdGordon| | I dont remember the specifics... and i cant look at the code now to check |
| 23:25:51 | JdGordon| | apps/gui/skin_engine/skin_display.c in skin_update() |
| 23:25:53 | BdN3504 | but pixelma said viewports aren't allowed to overlap, or am i wrong? |
| 23:25:56 | JdGordon| | maybe skin_refresh() |
| 23:26:06 | pixelma | BdN3504: you can't draw two (or even more times) at the same time and spot (which overlapping could potentially cause) |
| 23:26:18 | JdGordon| | technically they can, but the top one might erase the bottom one |
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| 23:27:17 | BdN3504 | ok, so conditional vps overlapping each other is allowed? |
| 23:27:29 | pixelma | yes |
| 23:27:37 | BdN3504 | thank you. |
| 23:27:44 | pixelma | sorry that wasn't clear |
| 23:28:50 | pixelma | just make sure you have no overlapping ones that are displayed at the same time |
| 23:30:03 | BdN3504 | pixelma: JdGordon|: so i'll just include the line that it's maculate coding if you put text before the first vp definition? |
| 23:30:29 | JdGordon| | maculate? |
| 23:31:10 | BdN3504 | erm opposite of immaculate |
| 23:31:16 | BdN3504 | maculated |
| 23:31:21 | MG_Man | anyway |
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| 23:31:31 | MG_Man | The one who seems to have brought SPC to Rockbox is either Adam or blargg |
| 23:31:39 | MG_Man | Do any of you know if any of them are stil lactive? |
| 23:32:48 | BdN3504 | JdGordon|: What i meant to say is the integrity of the code will not be guaranteed, once you put text infront of... |
| 23:34:41 | BdN3504 | pixelma: JdGordon|: my initial question still remains though. Is it adequate to just copy and adapt the wiki entry for the manual? or do you think i have to write it from scratch? |
| 23:37:22 | Unhelpful | saratoga: oh, yeah.... that one that assumes the blocks containing the OF were not overwritten? |
| 23:37:43 | MG_Man | Okay, I found an SPC to IT converter, so I can just play it as a tracker and be fine |
| 23:37:51 | MG_Man | I guess it's not an issue |
| 23:39:24 | pixelma | BdN3504: the plan was to get more of these things into the manual and clean up the wiki a bit instead, although I think the CustomWPS page is still important though (also because things can change easier and the wiki is updated a bit quicker than the manual usually). I can't see what's wrong with taking bits and pieces from there... I even copied a lot from the wiki for the ZXBox chapter myself... ;) |
| 23:40:00 | amiconn | bertrik: We do not have a 24bit or 32bit lcd driver yet, because until now there was no target needing it |
| 23:40:14 | amiconn | But writing one should be quite simple |
| 23:40:41 | BdN3504 | pixelma: thanks again. i'll start now, then. (no pun intended) |
| 23:40:50 | MG_Man | And anotherthing |
| 23:40:55 | MG_Man | The MIDI patchset download is down |
| 23:42:11 | MG_Man | Oh, it seems I was wrong |
| 23:42:18 | pixelma | yeah, isn't it now hosted somewhere else? |
| 23:42:19 | * | Unhelpful would think that this amplification tag thing would only need changes in a the metadata reader, and would therefore not require deep knowledge of SPC? |
| 23:42:27 | MG_Man | The SPC plugin is based off blargg's Game_Music_Emu SPC player, which is based on OpenSPC |
| 23:42:34 | Unhelpful | we could just treat it like a replaygain tag |
| 23:42:39 | MG_Man | It really is |
| 23:42:42 | MG_Man | A preamp |
| 23:42:42 | BdN3504 | JdGordon|: one thing, especially for you: these two opts "Maximum file size used is \opt{lcd_bitmap}{1600}\opt{player}{400} bytes." are now obsolete, right? |
| 23:42:44 | MG_Man | By DB |
| 23:43:17 | MG_Man | Anyway, if the patchset host is moved, it isn't updated on the site |
| 23:43:30 | MG_Man | That is if the audiocodecs page is where I'm supposed to get it |
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| 23:43:37 | JdGordon| | BdN3504: behaviour is guarenteed... drawing in the default vp isnt allowed and wont work, and yes, that is very obsolete |
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| 23:44:42 | JdGordon| | that has been wrong for a very long time :) |
| 23:44:44 | pixelma | scorche|sh: didn't you "take" the midi patchset? I could remember wrong though |
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| 23:48:23 | CIA-61 | New commit by nls (r22431): Slight cleanup in lcd.h: kill fixme and remove useless include, add some includes elsewhere and add a stub for sims instead of ifdef |
| 23:48:37 | JdGordon| | BdN3504: umm... some things which might eb good to make sure are in the manual... %V| (without the l) will always be displayed, you *should* only do things like %xl %X and other "setup" things before the first %V lines (or %vd) |
| 23:49:07 | MG_Man | Anyway |
| 23:49:21 | BdN3504 | ok. |
| 23:49:25 | MG_Man | I suppose the SPC plugin is fine, just the ID666 wrapper for it needs to be updated to support ID666 Extended |
| 23:50:07 | BdN3504 | JdGordon|: and %wd also HAS to be in front of the first vp declaration, right? |
| 23:50:10 | JdGordon| | BdN3504: also, remove any mention of limits... the only limit anywhere is one progressbar per viewport |
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| 23:50:26 | JdGordon| | no, %wd can be anywhere |
| 23:50:32 | JdGordon| | thats statusbar disable? |
| 23:50:37 | BdN3504 | yes |
| 23:50:43 | JdGordon| | yeah, it can go anywhere |
| 23:50:54 | BdN3504 | sorry, didn't know that :( |
| 23:50:57 | MG_Man | anyway, I can't seem to find a site with details on ID666Extended, so I guess I can just say the fields here, but I dont think that'll ehlp wuth utilizing them |
| 23:51:28 | JdGordon| | at least it *should* work anywhere... I cant imagine people would put it anywhere except at the start, but iirc the code should be fine |
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| 23:53:50 | MG_Man | I found a site with useful specs on ID666 extended |
| 23:53:51 | MG_Man | http://snesmusic.org/files/spc_file_format.txt |
| 23:53:57 | MG_Man | Look at Extended ID666 Items |
| 23:54:07 | MG_Man | At the bottom |
| 23:54:14 | BdN3504 | pixelma: JdGordon|: where'd you put the vp part: as the first subsection of "building your own", the last or somewhere in the middle? |
| 23:54:22 | bluebrother | n1s: already spotted the red? |
| 23:54:27 | BdN3504 | i'd prefer right on top |
| 23:55:06 | MG_Man | So tags for 01h-07h are already in, but no support for 10h-36h which are the extended tag fields |
| 23:55:18 | n1s | bluebrother: have now ;) |
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