#rockbox 2009-08-21

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#rockbox log for 2009-08-21

00:00:36		Quit explore ("Lost terminal")
00:00:38	kugel	I'm not asking "what", but "why is the complexity worth going with, instead of simply appending"
00:00:59		Quit killan (Read error: 54 (Connection reset by peer))
00:01:18	JdGordon\|	its not complex at all
00:01:43	*	JdGordon\| will give it one last try...
00:01:48	BBBradley	kugel: pixelma: my wps %mv command works, thanks guys!
00:03:08	bluebrother	well, the recorder8mb brings up the question if we want to continue distributing a build for a modded player. No other modded player gets a build distributed.
00:03:22	JdGordon\|	the skins have 2 major RAM usages, the tokens and the images... the size of both are unknown at load time. there are also the other stuff (viewport structs, progressbar structs, gui_img structs, etc) all with fixed sizes that need to be loaded during parsing and cant move after its finished... the only way to do with without wasting ram is the "complex" way I've done
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00:04:19	JdGordon\|	tokens load as much as needed, static data gets alloced as needed, once the tokens are finished being parsed the unused ram gets dealloced and the images then get loaded to the same spot
00:04:35	*	JdGordon\| thinks its a rather elegant and brilliant solution :D
00:04:49	kugel	of course you think that ;)
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00:05:09	JdGordon\|	why of course? I'm incredibly modest!
00:05:24	kugel	as I would if it was my idea
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00:07:36	fml	Hello. I'm trying to apply FS #8768 and get compile errors in the lines with this code: rb->cpu_boost(true); (this is a plugin). How can it be?
00:08:23	kugel	JdGordon\|: I'm not sure I understood that
00:08:49	JdGordon\|	which part?
00:09:10	kugel	isn't everything unknown while parsing
00:09:20	kugel	and the size of a token is fixed, isn't it?
00:09:24	stripwax	fml - what are the compile errors? (would help..)
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00:11:31	fml	stripwax: Sorry, sure: /src/apps/plugins/pitch.c:503: error: expected identifier before ‘;’ token
00:11:34	kugel	and it makes later buffer_alloc()ing hard which you planned?
00:12:01	fml	stripwax: same for the line 556
00:12:01	kugel	not buffer_alloc'ing a fixed size chosen by the user, but allocating the amount a theme actually needs
00:12:27	kugel	also that part might be very hard either way
00:12:38	pixelma	stripwax: you looked into problems with shuffled playlist last time... with a build of yesterday morning I get the problem again that when resuming a playlist created with "insert shuffled" then the playlist is shifted (the resumed song is either the first song, and once it was the last, one time it was correct though - out of 5...6 tries)
00:12:59	JdGordon\|	kugel: nothing changed with the buffer_alloc()ing.. the difference is how that allocated ram is used
00:13:14	JdGordon\|	this is all skin buffer only
00:13:24	stripwax	fml - what device are you compiling for? if you put #ifdef HAVE_ADJUSTABLE_CPU_FREQ on the line immediately prior and #endif on the line immediately after , does it work?
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00:13:39	stripwax	pixelma - really? sigh. someone broke it again?
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00:14:12	stripwax	oh wait, that's a different one. resuming an already-shuffled playlist, after stopping playback?
00:14:21	pixelma	yes
00:14:35	stripwax	I don't recall that problem, nor fixing it :) was that bug there in previous builds also?
00:15:33	pixelma	I think I have seen it beforem but sometimes it's gone and then it's back
00:15:36	stripwax	the bugs I fixed were all related to editing playlists (moving/deleting) when it had been created shuffled
00:15:38	kugel	JdGordon\|: so why can't tokens be appanded as everything else?
00:16:04	JdGordon\|	because we dont know how many we need to allocate.. and everything expets them as an array
00:16:05	JdGordon\|	http://pastebin.com/m1899b692
00:16:51	fml	stripwax: yes, that worked! Thanks!
00:17:13	stripwax	fml cool! could you update the patch on the tracker ? :-)
00:17:22	kugel	I understood how it works, that's not the problem (nice figure anyway :p )
00:18:17	kugel	ah, "everything expects them as an array", so you wanted to save the next pointer?
00:18:27	JdGordon\|	yes
00:18:29	kugel	and fixing the assumptions
00:18:46	JdGordon\|	using a linked list would have doubled the ram usage
00:19:06	JdGordon\|	and made the display-er slower
00:19:07	CIA-61	New commit by zagor (r22444): Make apps/features depend on config*.h
00:19:20	kugel	thanks, that's the answer I wanted
00:19:34	Zagor	kugel: there you go
00:19:52	kugel	awesome
00:20:01	kugel	errno.o lol :)
00:21:01	Zagor	it's the smallest file that does the job :)
00:21:12	stripwax	pixelma - is your one already in the patch tracker? and −− important −− is it reproducible (e.g. step by step)?
00:21:26	stripwax	pixelma - ^bug tracker - not patch tracker, obviously
00:21:31	Zagor	dependencies for created sources is a delicate thing
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00:22:10	fml	stripwax: sure. One question though: is there a symbol I can check for to see if the player has recording capability? HAVE_RECORDING?
00:22:14	kugel	Yoshihisa Uchida has 32 open tasks :((
00:22:51	stripwax	fml - great question - there is but off the top of my head can't remember what. take a look at the config-xxx.h files?
00:22:55	pixelma	fml: that exists, yes
00:23:17	stripwax	yeah, HAVE_RECORDING
00:23:20	fml	pixelma: right answer! Next question: what is its name?
00:23:33	stripwax	see above
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00:24:20	pixelma	I was referring to HAVE_RECORDING
00:24:20	stripwax	literally −− #ifdef HAVE_RECORDING , etc
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00:25:28	kugel	Zagor: I just notice this bug was reported http://www.rockbox.org/tracker/task/9936
00:25:34	fml	Ok. I'd also like to change the plugin name from "pitch" to something like "tuner" or "pitch_detector". Or anything better.
00:25:50	stripwax	tuner is good
00:26:15	fml	stripwax: tuner could be understood as something related to radio.
00:26:25	Zagor	kugel: aha that was my first idea, but $(MODELNAME) is not consistent with the names of the config-* files
00:26:35	stripwax	bah, true! ok, "instrument tuner"?
00:26:41	kugel	it can be closed then, I think
00:26:48	Zagor	heh, which boris says in the comment :)
00:27:04	fml	stripwax: I've already svn added the file pitch.c. How should I proceed to correctly rename it to something esle?
00:27:36	fml	stripwax: it doesn't tune actually, just detects the pitch :-)
00:28:07	kugel	Zagor: jsut config.h wouldn't have worked? it includes the config-<model>.h
00:28:30	Zagor	no, because config.h itself does not depend on anything since it is not a target
00:28:31	MG_Man	There, now just the buttons need to be re-made
00:28:40	kugel	I see
00:28:54	Zagor	so it would have only depended on config.h and thus not detected changes in config-*
00:29:16	stripwax	fml - if it's only added not committed, can delete and readd?
00:29:28	pixelma	stripwax: not sure, I haven't put it there, maybe it was reported once but closed or so. I will check and if it's not there, report it (not now though, need some sleep). It's easy to reproduce - create a playlist with "insert shuffled" on a folder, note the order, stop when it plays something else then the first song, stop, resume
00:29:48	pixelma	you only need to stop once ;)
00:29:53	kugel	pitchbox or rockpitch, obviously ;)
00:29:56	stripwax	interesting. repro in sim also?
00:30:01	JdGordon\|	pixelma: that sounds familiar...
00:30:01	stripwax	pitchbox is actually pretty awesome
00:30:08	pixelma	haven't tried
00:30:12	JdGordon\|	rockpitchbox!
00:30:20	*	stripwax chokes
00:30:27	JdGordon\|	boxpitchrocks!
00:30:41	pixelma	JdGordon\|: yeah, seems to be gone and then back every now and then
00:30:50	JdGordon\|	grrrr
00:31:02	fml	I named id pitch_detector for now. No boxes anymore!
00:31:31	JdGordon\|	whats wrong with "instrument tuner"?
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00:32:31	kugel	saratoga: have you looked in any of the codecs Yoshihisa Uchida uploaded?
00:32:53	fml	JdGordon: it doesn't tune, just tells you the pitch (IIUC). You're then free to tune as you like :-)
00:33:38	stripwax	does it have cool options for different scale tunings, or just tell you the pitch of the currently played input sound?
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00:34:12	*	stripwax could just read the patch tracker entry .. one sec..
00:34:33	fml	stripwax: I haven't run it yet!
00:34:49	stripwax	ha!
00:36:22	fml	stripwax: just fixed some formalities :-)
00:37:21	stripwax	so, this uses FFT - don't we already have FFT lib in rockbox plugin library , used by the spectrograph plugin?
00:37:55	stripwax	FS #10065
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00:38:43	stripwax	oh. it's not in lib, and it's not in svn anyway. ignore me. would be good to share the code though, especially if you're committing one of these two patches already :)
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00:40:06	kugel	ahh database browsing is so much faster now
00:40:11	kugel	(on the fuze w/ dircache)
00:40:23	kugel	and tc_ramcache
00:41:48	JdGordon\|	8mb ram and you're wasting it on ramcache + dircache on aflash target?>!
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00:42:18	kugel	JdGordon\|: No, I don't waste
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00:43:25	pixelma	so how much does dircache and database use now in your case?
00:43:35	kugel	~300k
00:44:10	stripwax	how big is the FAT itself in a fat32 setup? or, maybe, why does the disk totally thrash when starting up when dircache is enabled, but not thrash when buffering audio
00:45:52	pixelma	kugel: really, both together? I remember dircache alone needing over 500k on my 20GB M5
00:47:29	bertrik	the meizu m6 display driver is coming along
00:47:55	kugel	pixelma: yea, remeber this is only a 2GB fuze + 4GB microsd :)
00:48:18	kugel	bertrik: the "scaled-down to 16bit" version?
00:48:33	kugel	I thought the meizu already had display working
00:48:35	bertrik	kugel, I haven't really decided about that yet :)
00:48:58	bertrik	that was the meizu m3 (music card), not the m6 (mini player)
00:49:04	kugel	oh
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00:49:11	kugel	you have two meizus now?`
00:49:16	pixelma	I expected at least an 8GB microSD and more internal memory
00:49:19	kugel	I guess you never come back to ams then :(
00:50:06	stripwax	Looks like something like 8MB alone for the FAT on a ~60GB ipod5g . hm. could we just load it in one big go, if there is sufficient memory, and then parse the structures to build the dircache, without repeatedly seeking all over the disk?
00:50:43	pixelma	stripwax: are you on a 5.5G Video?
00:50:48	stripwax	5G.
00:50:52	stripwax	60GB.
00:51:09	bertrik	kugel, I borrowed gevaerts' m3 and I bought an m6 that is still at markun's place
00:52:18	kugel	you're doing the driver without having hardware?
00:52:44	bertrik	yes
00:53:24	*	kugel really likes the custom statusbar
00:54:57	stripwax	pixelma - is the 5G 60GB disk access crippled in some way due to the support for the 80GB disk hack (that I don't remember the details for, but know that there is only one build shared between both 5G 60GB and 5.5G 80GB)
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00:59:43	kugel	stripwax: the build isn't shared
01:00
01:00:04	stripwax	kugel - they both have 64MB
01:00:14	kugel	the 5G too?
01:00:20	stripwax	and the download page says "iPod Video 60/80GB"
01:00:38	kugel	I thought 5 vs 5.5G was the RAM and the disk capacity
01:01:00	stripwax	there is a 5G 30GB, 5G 60GB, 5.5G 30GB and 5.5G 80GB
01:01:07	stripwax	the 60GB and 80GB have 64MB
01:04:48	kugel	http://www.alice-dsl.net/simonemartitz/sb.png ;;
01:05:27	kugel	stripwax: I didn't know that
01:06:17	stripwax	kugel - do you happen to know if the 60/80GB build has less efficient disk access than the 30GB build?
01:07:55	kugel	no sorry
01:08:37	kugel	I'd expect them to work the same
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01:08:59	stripwax	cool.
01:09:11	stripwax	pixelma - hey, so that leads to me to wonder why you asked if I was on 5.5G? :-)
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01:10:58	pixelma	just curious and I thought I remembered something about disk "performance" with the 80GB disk. Sorry, I don't know the details
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01:12:29	stripwax	as long as the disk "performance" with 80GB (that I also heard of) doesn't affect the 60GB in the same unified build, I'm good
01:13:09	Unhelpful	MG_Man: well, you can't center 71x71 on the screen, it'll always be off by one. but yes, any size that fits on the screen should work.
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01:19:18	stripwax	pixelma - still can't reproduce your shuffled resume issue in sim. sorry.
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01:53:00	MG_Man	Don't worry, I'm not having it centered
01:53:07	MG_Man	But I put it at 72x72 anyway
01:53:19	MG_Man	When I re-did everything to avoid copyright issues
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02:16:07	n1s	kugel: database browsing should not be affected by dircache at all...
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04:48:49	MG_Man	How we missed you
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05:49:54	*	Unhelpful is.. a little bit confused by the new AAF patch. ALPHA_COLOR_FONT_DEPTH is 2, so it would seem as though AA fonts ought to be 2bpp? but the code sure seems to act as though they are 4bpp...
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06:17:31	MG_Man	Just to clarify
06:17:34	MG_Man	What is AA fonts?
06:17:37	MG_Man	Anti-aliasing?
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06:19:06	Unhelpful	MG_Man: yes. a work-in-progress feature for color targets.
06:19:15	MG_Man	I see
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08:22:26	MG_Man	WPS
08:22:38	MG_Man	Its both one of the strangest 'languages' I've seen but also one of the easiest
08:22:48	MG_Man	SO kudos to the devs for that
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09:10:00	MG_Man	Is it possible to draw text OVER an image in a viewport?
09:10:17	MG_Man	Where they would be on the same line
09:10:19	MG_Man	Wait
09:10:24	MG_Man	No, I just figured out a workaroud
09:12:21	MG_Man	Or not
09:14:32	MG_Man	That's bullcrap :C
09:15:31	MG_Man	So no matter what, in the same viewport, text will always be behind images?
09:15:53	MG_Man	That's a little backwards if you ask me
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10:45:35	pixelma	n1s: seems to be the bug, the options "view current playlist" etc. are voiced with a current build and voice on my c200
10:47:48	n1s	ah, i saw he mentioned voicing playlist contents but yeah reading it again i think i agree, i wonder if this is that rbutil installing the current voicefile for releases too bug...
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13:12:57	biengo	I just registered on the Twiki as BenediktGoos to add an article I found about rockbox. I'd need write permission though, if someone would be so kind.
13:14:56	biengo	the article in question: http://www.pcpro.co.uk/features/247106/upgrade-your-mp3-player-with-rockbox
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13:17:35	moos	biengo: that's done
13:18:10	biengo	thanks mate
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13:23:24	moos	biengo: you are elcome
13:23:32	moos	welcome even
13:26:13	moos	biengo: here where you could link in: http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/ArticlesAboutRockbox
13:26:46	biengo	thanks. I'm on it :)
13:27:23	moos	nice
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16:39:31	dionoea	teru: if you feel like it, the font selection dialog needs some optimisation in rockpaint (refreshing the screen when opening it or scrolling out of the current list takes way too long on a real target)
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17:15:05	MG_Man	About the images over text thing
17:15:09	MG_Man	I found another workaround
17:16:35	MG_Man	Hurray, it worked
17:16:54	MG_Man	I'm going to put in the other fields before I show a screenshot though
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17:27:48	MG_Man	Is there a limit on viewports or something?
17:28:16	MG_Man	I'm getting ERR:Failed parsing on line 29: ERR: Invalid parameter list for token 110: "No token"
17:28:18	MG_Man	for this line
17:28:25	MG_Man	%Vl\|b\|91\|34\|195\|10\|0\|00FF00\|000000\|
17:28:42	MG_Man	I don't see anything inherently wrong with it, it's the same as the other viewports
17:30:00	MG_Man	There's three viewports with identifier "a" then 3 more with "b"
17:30:08	MG_Man	But when the "b"s start it craps out
17:30:28	MG_Man	Three viewports shae the identifier for an album art conditional
17:30:44	MG_Man	share*
17:31:14	pixelma	which target/display is this for?
17:31:24	MG_Man	iriver h300
17:32:31	pixelma	then you can't have a viewport that starts at x-position 91 and is 195 pixels wide, like you defined there - it would be wider than the display which is 220x176
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17:32:59	MG_Man	Oh, why didn't I see that
17:33:04	MG_Man	I was sure i changed the X value
17:33:05	MG_Man	Thanks
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17:34:25	MG_Man	There we go
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17:44:01	kkurbjunW	rasher: The themes site currently won't work for any touchscreen target.. is is possible to disable checkwps on a per-target basis?
17:44:35	rasher	kkurbjunW: I'd rather not work around the actual proble (checkwps is broken)
17:45:08	kkurbjunW	rasher: problem is that I don't have control of when checkwps will be fixed
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17:45:22	kkurbjunW	and currently the site is useless for all touchscreens
17:45:33	kkurbjunW	or any target for that matter that includes newer tags
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17:46:17	pixelma	there are also themes on there that are broken with an SVN build but weren't back then
17:46:19	CIA-61	New commit by mcuelenaere (r22450): Rockbox Utility: make chinachippatch translateable + update Dutch translation
17:47:21	Hillshum	the commit message needs to be translated
17:47:39	pixelma	e.g. the one c200 theme I only tried today to test Rockbox Utility on Mac OSX
17:47:53	rasher	kkurbjunW: I hope you can understand I'm not very interested in removing or disabling the checkwps code, which is working perfectly fine, because checkwps is broken
17:48:44	MG_Man	hmm
17:48:56	MG_Man	It seems nobody likes displaying over images
17:49:12	MG_Man	Gonna have to do more hacking...
17:50:48	kkurbjunW	rasher, I can appreciate it, but if nothing happens the site says pointless - I may as well go back to starting a wiki for touchscreen themes :-D
17:51:01	rasher	Or fix checkwps
17:51:47	kkurbjunW	rasher: I am not familiar with that code and currently my availability to work on it are limited
17:52:20	rasher	I just don't think disabling useful and working code is a good solution
17:52:45	kkurbjunW	if it's so much trouble to disable it for now, I'll just start a wiki
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17:56:18	rasher	I just think your time will be better spent getting checkwps fixed, rather than breaking the theme site
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17:58:21	MG_Man	Geeze, finally
17:58:34	kkurbjunW	rasher: offhand I don't have my login information for the themes admin - can I remove the mr500 from the dash?
17:58:36	MG_Man	This method is really hacky, but its hard to explain without sending the entire skin
17:58:55	kkurbjunW	right now it is misleading to let people think they can upload a theme that will never pass checkwps
17:59:39	kkurbjunW	the onda should also probably be removed
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18:00:17	paulk_	Hello, I've modified my local "calendar.c" to translate it in french. When the month is "Aug", "Aoû" in french, the 9 of the "2009" is not displayed. How can I change the width of the box containing this word ?
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18:05:23	kkurbjunW	hmm, it looks like I can't remove a target from the dash....
18:05:31	linuxstb	paulk_: Did you use utf-8 in the source file?
18:05:37	paulk_	yes
18:06:17	kkurbjunW	rasher: is there an easy way to remove targets from the themes site?
18:06:52	rasher	I don't see why it should be removed. There's an issue with rockbox code, not with the theme site or the mrobe
18:08:19	linuxstb	paulk_: It looks like the snprintf line in calendar.c - it's limiting the buffer to 9 bytes. With a double-byte utf-8 character, the string needs 10 bytes. (Aoû 2009 including the trailing \0)
18:08:28	kkurbjunW	I agree that there is a problem, but holding the site as is doesn't address any of it in the near term - providing an upload link that doesn't work is sloppy in my opinion - at the very least it should be removed in my opinion till the issue is resolved
18:08:58	paulk_	linuxstb: rb->snprintf(buffer,9,"%s %04d",monthname[shown->mon-1],shown->year);
18:09:00	paulk_	?
18:09:29	linuxstb	paulk_: Yes. Best to change that 9 to "sizeof(buffer)" and increase the size of buffer earlier in that function.
18:10:10	kkurbjunW	right now the theme site doesn't work at all for the mrobe or the onda so why mislead people in thinking that they can upload themes till it works
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18:10:43	kkurbjunW	yes it's a problem with other portions of the code, but that reflects on the (currently)dysfunctional theme site as well
18:11:27	kkurbjunW	if it is easy to remove the targets I think it makes sense for now
18:11:38	paulk_	linuxstb: Ok, well I'm not a C programer, so, how sould I increase the size of the buffer ?
18:11:39	kkurbjunW	if it's oto much work then I suppose forget about it
18:12:09	linuxstb	paulk_: Just change the definition from "char buffer[9];" to "char buffer[10];" (line 355 in my copy of calander.c)
18:12:21	paulk_	ok :)
18:12:35	linuxstb	paulk_: See, C is easy ;)
18:12:35	paulk_	so i don't use sizeof(buffer)
18:12:59	linuxstb	paulk_: Yes, still use sizeof(buffer) in the call to snprintf. Otherwise you'll need to write 10 in two places.
18:13:09	paulk_	ok
18:13:24	paulk_	that's easier to write "10" only one time
18:13:33	paulk_	well, thank you
18:13:33	linuxstb	So line 355 should be "char buffer[10];" and line 401 "snprintf(buffer,sizeof(buffer),...."
18:13:58	linuxstb	No months have more than one accented character?
18:14:01	paulk_	That's done
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18:14:19	paulk_	no
18:15:03	rasher	kkurbjunW: I don't remember. I'll have a look some time
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18:20:56	MG_Man	Alright. Screenshot time
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18:23:29	MG_Man	Ok, here it is in action
18:23:30	MG_Man	http://img406.imageshack.us/img406/2674/notwinampwithart.png
18:23:42	MG_Man	And on a song with no art:
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18:23:43	MG_Man	http://img16.imageshack.us/img16/6509/notwinampwithoutart.png
18:23:48	MG_Man	Now I need to do the progress bar
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18:24:17	MG_Man	And this time, none of the skin itself has been taken from Winamp
18:24:23	MG_Man	all re-created, and I have a PSD to prove it
18:25:47	LambdaCalculus37	DCW webcam live feed at http://www.ustream.tv/broadcaster/1281365
18:26:01	MG_Man	Hmm, definitely not a spambot
18:27:33	funman	MG_Man: DCW is DevConWest, a conference of rockbox hackers, at the West of Europe (America)
18:27:41	MG_Man	...ah.
18:28:01	Hillshum	LambdaCalculus37: I need to login?
18:28:22	LambdaCalculus37	Sorry, wrong link. http://www.ustream.tv/channel/rockbox-devconwest-2009
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18:36:24	MG_Man	right, now I need to make the volume bar smoother, then do all the other indicators, then figure out how I'm gonna do the progress bar
18:37:35	MG_Man	I also have another problem
18:37:47	MG_Man	When the battery reaches full capacity, the indicator goes blank
18:37:57	MG_Man	But all the bmp data is there
18:38:03	MG_Man	It shows full in the remote too
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18:52:24	*	mcuelenaere got checkwps back compiling
18:52:32	JdGordon	sweet :)
18:52:35	JdGordon	i was going to do it :)
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18:52:50	mcuelenaere	but it doesn't work yet ;)
18:53:22	mcuelenaere	JdGordon\|: I think some functions in skin_display.c should be moved out it, as they aren't really related to 'displaying' and checkwps can't compile without them (I don't compile skin_display.c)
18:53:44	mcuelenaere	also, I need viewport_parse_viewport() but can't compile viewport.c (cleanly)
18:53:58	mcuelenaere	so I just stubbed it, but that way I don't get very far at parsing
18:53:59	JdGordon	arg
18:54:43	mcuelenaere	http://pastebin.com/f403a8fc8
18:54:49	mcuelenaere	== current diff
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18:56:53	MG_Man	Do you think I should remove Stop from the big buttons on the bottom?
18:57:02	MG_Man	Since Stop never currently ever shows in WPS I believe
18:59:51	MG_Man	http://img406.imageshack.us/img406/2674/notwinampwithart.png
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19:00:18	MG_Man	Then again the CustomWPS page said there will be functionality for it so I guess it'll stay
19:00:23	MG_Man	Plus I have nothing better to put there
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19:45:49	vitaliy	LambdaCalculus37: what's up? ;)
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19:54:04	MG_Man	Who manages the CustomWPS page?
19:54:11	MG_Man	The specification for %mm is out of order
19:54:32	MG_Man	It's supposed to be <Off\|One\|All\|Shuffle\|A-B>
19:54:41	MG_Man	But One and All are backwards on the page
19:54:47	vitaliy	someone link me to that ustream setup
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19:55:13	gevaerts	you want to listen in? :)
19:55:29	vitaliy	I am nosey, want to know whats happening without walking over :p
19:55:52	vitaliy	too busy watching Mr Bean and all
19:56:21	gevaerts	you might want to join #rockbox-community where we talk about not strictly on-topiuc stuff
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19:57:39	MG_Man	Wait
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19:57:46	MG_Man	Now I just don't know what's what for %mm
19:57:51	MG_Man	It's horribly confused
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19:58:55	MG_Man	Oh, nevermind
19:58:57	MG_Man	My bad
19:59:09	MG_Man	I had left a \| at the beginning of it
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20:04:27	eulerphi	hi
20:04:44	eulerphi	i have a sansa c250
20:05:08	eulerphi	whenever i play mp4/aac files, it's really slow
20:05:20	*	mcuelenaere has checkwps compiling and working! :)
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20:05:46	eulerphi	like it freezes every second
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20:06:27	eulerphi	is my sansa just not capable of playing aac's?
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20:09:48	eulerphi	how do i find the version #?
20:10:38	Hillshum	eulerphi: System >> Rockbox Info
20:10:55	eulerphi	i mean in the directory
20:11:25	pixelma	eulerphi: the few AAC I have play ok on my c250 (all about 128 kbps), although the processor is quite busy especially during buffering. Do you also use sound effects like the equalizer or crossfade etc.?
20:12:03	Hillshum	eulerphi: On the device on in the source code?
20:12:53	eulerphi	on the device
20:12:59	eulerphi	nope, no effects
20:13:17	eulerphi	and my aac's are only 64kbps
20:14:11	amiconn	Maybe they are he-aac? That needs more cpu to decode
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20:14:26	*	pixelma thinks to remember different encoding types of AAC where one is more complex...
20:14:47	Hillshum	eulerphi: /.rockbox/rockbox-info.txt I think
20:15:24	CIA-61	New commit by mcuelenaere (r22451): Fix/hack checkwps + add Onda VX747/VX777 targets
20:15:50	eulerphi	ah, thanks
20:15:52	eulerphi	r16734-080321
20:16:35	pixelma	that is age old - over a year... you should update
20:16:43	eulerphi	kk :)
20:19:39	eulerphi	the new rockbox util will replace the old one automatically?
20:20:26	Hillshum	if you tell it to
20:20:36	eulerphi	i didn't see an option :/
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20:22:23	eulerphi	this is nice :)
20:22:26	Hillshum	Just do the install
20:25:24	eulerphi	ugh, there's still latency
20:27:18	eulerphi	anyway, is it able to charge while it's booted into rockbox?
20:27:54	eulerphi	before i had to switch to original firmware to charge
20:30:11	Hillshum	eulerphi: what model?
20:30:21	eulerphi	or to access the drive
20:30:26	eulerphi	c250?
20:30:30	pixelma	it charges in the USB screen - if you want to keep listening to music and not transfer files, you can hold a button while inserting the cable... should be in the manual
20:30:43	eulerphi	ok cool
20:31:13	pixelma	I mean which button that is
20:31:15	saratoga	eulerphi: what type of AAC
20:31:27	saratoga	AAC-LC works fine, AAC-HE does not because your Sansa is too slow
20:31:53	eulerphi	saratoga: how do i find it? mplayer?
20:32:10	eulerphi	Quicktime/MOV file format detected.
20:33:52	kkurbjunW	mcuelenaere: nice work :)
20:34:14	mcuelenaere	kkurbjunW: thanks, I'm working on tools/configure integration now
20:34:18	eulerphi	ISO: File Type Major Brand: ISO/IEC 14496-1 (MPEG-4 system) v2
20:34:21	mcuelenaere	to make sure this doesn't need fixing again
20:34:47	kkurbjunW	yeah, that would be nice
20:35:52	pixelma	eulerphi: since I can't find it in the manual - if you want to keep listening you have to hold the select button when plugging the cable. But the manual is still a nice collection of info... ;)
20:36:54	eulerphi	you mean menu button?
20:37:17	eulerphi	ahh.. it froze when i did that
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20:38:02	pixelma	oh, now I found it - it is in the "charging" section. No, select is the center button and
20:38:19	eulerphi	ah, gotcha
20:38:36	eulerphi	:))
20:38:51	eulerphi	so it will continue to charge, eh?
20:40:00	kkurbjunW	Is checkWPS supposed to work with rwps's too?
20:40:14	kkurbjunW	I would guess yes since it's the same syntax
20:41:30	kkurbjunW	mcuelenaere: I have a rwps that is failing with the %Vl tag..
20:41:39	kkurbjunW	in checkwps that is
20:41:48	mcuelenaere	I'm not sure about remote wps'es
20:41:49	eulerphi	does flac require more cpu usage?
20:42:41	amiconn	No, flac is one of our fastest codecs
20:42:52	eulerphi	cool
20:44:42	mcuelenaere	hmm where are the rwps's in SVN?
20:45:00	saratoga	with the other wpses i think
20:46:11	mcuelenaere	find ~/rockbox/wps -name '*.rwps' yields nothing
20:46:27	amiconn	The 'r' is added during packaging
20:46:45	eulerphi	yeah, i was right.. i can't mount while it's charging
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20:48:01	Hillshum	What's the fastest codec? wav?
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20:48:37	kkurbjunW	mcuelenaere: this is the rwps I have that is failing: http://pastebin.ca/1538008
20:49:10	amiconn	Hillshum: I'd guess either wav or aiff, depending on target architecture
20:49:30	amiconn	On arm it'd be wav and on coldfire it'd be aiff
20:49:39	amiconn	(because of matching endianness)
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20:51:14	bluebrother	mcuelenaere: wouldn't it be better to move the chinachip strings for Rockbox Utility out of the c file and to the bootloader installation class?
20:51:45	mcuelenaere	bluebrother: how?
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20:52:11	mcuelenaere	splitting the chinachip_patch() up into smaller functions?
20:52:18	mcuelenaere	s/the//
20:52:37	bluebrother	yes, and returning errors using return codes.
20:53:08	bluebrother	it feels somewhat strange to me to have QObject::tr() in C functions. But maybe it's just a feeling ...
20:54:03	mcuelenaere	yes I know it's a bit hack'ish
20:54:14	mcuelenaere	but it seemed better than no translation at all
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20:54:46	bluebrother	yep, that's true.
20:54:52	*	mcuelenaere doesn't really feel like rewriting chinachip_patch()..
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20:56:42	pixelma	kkurbjunW: does checkWPS know about the M:Robe remote?
20:58:38	kkurbjunW	pixelma: I'm not sure, but I think the only reason checkwps is built target specific is to make sure that all tags that would be supported are compiled into it so I think that an rwps run against the main mrobe500 build would be an appropriate way to do it
20:59:39	pixelma	huh? But the main M:Robe500 will have different viewport declarations (with colours)
20:59:56	kkurbjunW	hmm, good point
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21:00:13	pixelma	I'm not sure how that works at all though
21:00:37	kkurbjunW	did the theme site ever check rwps'?
21:01:39	pixelma	I thought it does for the Irivers and so (as there are some themes that include RWPSs) but I'm guessing
21:03:27	eulerphi	does rockbox not recognize the *.flac extension?
21:03:52	eulerphi	maybe i need to refresh the db
21:03:58	MG_Man	Dosbox knows flacs
21:04:02	MG_Man	roxkbox*
21:04:05	MG_Man	jdpisahfd
21:04:08	MG_Man	You know what I mean
21:05:06	eulerphi	ah nvm
21:05:16	AlexP	MG_Man: yes
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21:05:56	mcuelenaere	kkurbjunW: it seems to error out on l.376 in checkwps.c
21:06:03	mcuelenaere	(viewport_parse_viewport)
21:06:56	mcuelenaere	hmm which is weird, as the lcd remote's depth is 1, not >= 2..
21:07:46	kkurbjunW	mcuelenaere: pixelma has a point about the viewports. I forgot that the mono screens have a different syntax for viewports
21:08:17	mcuelenaere	kkurbjunW: does it work on-target?
21:08:21	eulerphi	ah.. i wasn't unmounting
21:08:29	kkurbjunW	mcuelenaere: yes, it works in the sim too
21:08:38	mcuelenaere	then it should work in checkwps too
21:09:16	mcuelenaere	somehow it's using SCREEN_MAIN even though I tell it to use SCREEN_REMOTE..
21:12:06	CIA-61	New commit by mcuelenaere (r22452): Fix checkwps for remote screens
21:14:47	kkurbjunW	mcuelenaere: great, works fine now, but only targets with remotes build
21:15:00	mcuelenaere	oops
21:16:10	CIA-61	New commit by mcuelenaere (r22453): Fix building checkwps on targets without a remote
21:20:02	kkurbjunW	:-D, it all works now
21:21:47	kkurbjunW	mcuelenaere: would it be possible to make it so that checkwps is not necessarily built for each target? I was thinking that if you have say three fake targets it might cover checkwps - a mono target with remote, a greyscale target with remote, and a color target with remote - each with touchscreen enabled
21:21:53		Part vitaliy
21:21:56	kkurbjunW	I'm not sure if that would cover everything though
21:22:22	mcuelenaere	no, there are also targets with and without RTC
21:22:30	mcuelenaere	and probably other stuff too
21:22:55	kkurbjunW	the thinking that I had for that is that people could still make say an ipodvideo wps that includes the touchscreen tags and would pass
21:23:04	mcuelenaere	it's probably possible, but preferably something for Mr Someone ;)
21:23:09	kkurbjunW	:)
21:23:26	mcuelenaere	they'd still have to resize the WPS' background for the target
21:23:34	mcuelenaere	ie Onda uses 240x400 and M:Robe500 640x480
21:23:38	kkurbjunW	well, the m:robe can run at 320x240 also
21:23:53	kkurbjunW	it's not currently, but originally I was using ipod video themes on it
21:24:01	mcuelenaere	the Cowon D2 is 320x240, isn't it?
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21:24:53	mcuelenaere	rasher: checkwps is rebuilt daily on the theme server, isn't it?
21:24:53	kkurbjunW	wiki says yes
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21:25:17	kkurbjunW	(to the D2 screen resolution)
21:26:13	mcuelenaere	kkurbjunW: some touchscreen tags pass now too for non-touchscreen targets IIRC
21:26:49	kkurbjunW	hmm, checkwps is segfaulting on the main screen wps now..
21:27:12	kkurbjunW	and the rwps
21:27:29	MG_Man	Well
21:27:41	MG_Man	I don't see why anyone would have touchtags on a non-touch target anyway
21:28:45	kkurbjunW	MG_Man: the problem is that the D2 for example shares the same screen size as the Video - the theme site would show the ipod video themes with the D2, and depending on how they are uploaded would or would not pass checkwps
21:29:14	MG_Man	ah.
21:29:33	MG_Man	For now, perhaps Video themes can bet kept out of the D2 section until it's al lsorted
21:29:40	kkurbjunW	the other thing that I see is that you could design a theme that is mainly targetted for the ipod video, but you want to make it /touch aware/ for other people using other players
21:31:40	CIA-61	New commit by mcuelenaere (r22454): Checkwps: give wps_screen an initial value
21:31:48	mcuelenaere	kkurbjunW: try again (the segfaulting)
21:31:57	mcuelenaere	it shouldn't segfault on rwps though
21:32:38	mcuelenaere	uh, stupid mistake
21:33:13	kkurbjunW	wps passes now, no segfaults, but the rwps doesn't
21:33:31	CIA-61	New commit by mcuelenaere (r22455): Don't add #ifdef's without looking them up...
21:33:46	mcuelenaere	kkurbjunW: try again ;)
21:34:06	pixelma	kkurbjunW: the WPS parser also checks for the correct dimensions of viewports it seems, or placement of the bitmaps so that nothing ends up outside the screen. I think you need on for all screen sizes/colour depth combinations. I think RTC tags are no problem and will be ignored on targets without RTC (except the check for presence one), but for things like backdrop tag and album art and viewports, screen depth is important
21:35:15	pixelma	for example 160x128 WPSs exist in all colour depths - backdrop and album art won't work on the monochrome (M;Robe1000) target, viewport definitions are different
21:36:11	kkurbjunW	hmm, the ipod video checkwps fails with the touchscreen tags
21:36:46	kkurbjunW	pixelma: true..
21:37:49	pixelma	why does my client still get sim builds? With the addition of more faster ckients it won't get ready with those before another client it seems :\
21:38:13	pixelma	I mean - why does it get them first, why not some "easier" ones?
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22:26:37	rasher	mcuelenaere: I re-ran the checkwps build
22:26:56	CIA-61	New commit by mcuelenaere (r22456): Add CheckWPS entry to tools/configure
22:27:00	rasher	mcuelenaere: private/checkwps/current/update.sh if you need it
22:27:05	rasher	mcuelenaere: Nice!
22:27:14	mcuelenaere	rasher: I forgot the SSH login..
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22:35:29	bluebrother	nice having checkwps in the main buildsystem, now it needs to be a make target of a (n)ormal build ... ;-)
22:41:52	amiconn	kkurbjunW: There are also various combinations of pixel depths, not a single pixel depth per target
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22:43:00	amiconn	Greyscale target with mono remote (H1x0), colour target with mono remote (H300), greyscale target with greyscale remote (M5), colour target with greyscale remote (X5)
22:43:38	amiconn	Afaik there are no targets with monochrome main lcd and a remote lcd of any kind, and also no colour remotes so far
22:45:33	pixelma	if the M:Robe100 can use the same remote as the 500 there will be a mono-mono combination
22:46:44	amiconn	Ah, forgot the mr100
22:49:10	amiconn	But no colour remote, probably for technical reasons. It would need too much data for a simple serial link, and going parallel or very high speed serial would make the cable too expensive
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23:14:10	MG_Man	Ok
23:14:16	MG_Man	I'm all done with it except the progress bar
23:15:00	MG_Man	Any suggestions other than finishing the progress bar?
23:15:01	MG_Man	http://img43.imageshack.us/img43/9020/notwinampwithart2.png
23:15:06	MG_Man	This is taken from the sim btw
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23:16:14	MG_Man	The whole ? and 0 for kbps/kHz is just a side effect of the SPC format
23:16:21	MG_Man	One that I can't get around with conditionals
23:16:22	MG_Man	Oh well
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23:23:22	iwonder	how do you add a song to a playlist?
23:23:27	iwonder	eg one that is playing
23:23:51	iwonder	i have the playlist open, but some have errors due to being in other folders on pc but not ipod
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23:33:01	iwonder	there is no fucking option
23:33:10	iwonder	to add the goddamn song playing
23:33:14	iwonder	long select
23:33:21	iwonder	you have to use the Playlist catalog
23:33:29	iwonder	which of course doesn't say it has to be in a particular folder..
23:33:47	iwonder	and if it does, all my songs in my playlists will be error due to this folder difference
23:33:49	AlexP	You can add a song to any playlist
23:34:01	iwonder	then fucking tell me
23:34:05	iwonder	god damn you assholes
23:34:08	iwonder	fuck it
23:34:13	AlexP	please stop now
23:34:17	iwonder	or be banned
23:34:19		Quit iwonder ()
23:34:27	AlexP	you can add to any playlist that is playing
23:34:29	AlexP	too late
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23:35:09	iwonder	so.
23:35:11	iwonder	i wasn't banned.
23:35:13	iwonder	yet.
23:35:15	iwonder	but probably will.
23:35:17	iwonder	so tell me how.
23:35:17	CIA-61	New commit by mcuelenaere (r22458): * Onda VX777: add support for its single physical button ...
23:35:19	iwonder	:O)
23:35:42	bluebrother	iwonder: RTFM ...
23:36:03	iwonder	i did
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23:36:06	iwonder	you fucking asshole
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23:36:19	MG_Man	well hello to you too?
23:36:21	iwonder	:O)~
23:36:23	iwonder	ahem
23:36:27	iwonder	~<:3
23:36:28	iwonder	flower
23:36:34	iwonder	beauty-full in all its grace
23:36:49	iwonder	blooming
23:36:50	MG_Man	Right
23:36:53	iwonder	ahem
23:36:59	iwonder	so what the fuck is this channel for?
23:37:07	MG_Man	I dont really know
23:37:07	iwonder	to ask questions and get quick answers?
23:37:11	kkurbjun	patience
23:37:13	BdN3504	can the h100 display album art?
23:37:13	MG_Man	Its probably at the top of the page
23:37:15	iwonder	or to say read the fucking manual?
23:37:22	MG_Man	Both
23:37:25	MG_Man	Depends on the question
23:37:26	iwonder	you don't know
23:37:27	pixelma	BdN3504: yes
23:37:30	iwonder	you say you can
23:37:32	iwonder	but you cannot
23:37:34	BdN3504	ty
23:37:37	MG_Man	cannot what
23:37:40	iwonder	you have to use the Playlist Catalog
23:37:49	BdN3504	can i assume all grayscale models can read album art?
23:37:51	iwonder	i could code something better in my sleep
23:37:56	iwonder	err, design
23:37:58	iwonder	:)
23:38:06	pixelma	iwonder: insulting won't get you any further
23:38:10	pixelma	BdN3504: yes
23:38:11	AlexP	iwonder: Stop it now - if you want help be civil and stop insulting peope
23:38:19	iwonder	alex, you claimed you knew
23:38:19	linuxstb	iwonder: http://download.rockbox.org/manual/rockbox-h100/rockbox-buildch4.html#x7-610004.4
23:38:23	iwonder	so just give me simple
23:38:31	AlexP	ask nicely
23:38:31	MG_Man	iwonder: Okay then, if you do believe so, go ahead and design better firmware for all of these DAPs
23:38:33	bluebrother	iwonder: you really expect people answering your questions if you call them assholes?
23:38:38	iwonder	hehe
23:38:44	iwonder	MG_Man, it's not a belief
23:38:45	iwonder	it's a knowing
23:38:49	AlexP	I don't find it funny
23:38:52		Quit moos ("Rockbox rules the DAP world")
23:38:57	iwonder	and i'm not
23:39:01	iwonder	sarcasm :O)~<
23:39:11	MG_Man	So what is your question anyway
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23:39:40	eulerphi	ok, what should i do.. my original mp4 files are only around 2mb @ 64kbps.. when i convert them to flac it's like ~20mb
23:39:55	MG_Man	eulerphi: Thats basically what flacs are
23:40:00	MG_Man	Maxiumum audio quality
23:40:05	linuxstb	eulerphi: That's to be expected. What did you expect?
23:40:05	BdN3504	pixelma: thanks again. i am nearly finished writing viewports for the manual. i added six small files to make \opt work with examples. i hope that wpn't be something keeping it back from being comitted?
23:40:11	MG_Man	MP4s are pretty good too, better qulity than MP3 and less size
23:40:29	eulerphi	i don't get why it takes so long for the mp4's to buffer
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23:40:59	eulerphi	it stops every second
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23:41:02	pixelma	BdN3504: hmm? Why do you need extra files (especially such a number)?
23:41:59	eulerphi	anyone want a sample mp4?
23:42:03	eulerphi	to see what i mean
23:42:06	iwonder	there is NO "insert" in the Playlist submenu
23:42:10	iwonder	of the Context submenu
23:42:17	AlexP	You have a playlist active?
23:42:25	Hillshum	eulerphi: Upconverting to FLAC is like taking a box of a dozen eggs and putting them all in a box for 2 dozen. Still the same amount of quality, but takes up more space
23:42:28	AlexP	And you long select on the song you want to add?
23:42:39	BdN3504	pixelma: just as i told you. using \opt in {example} gives me only weird shit and i don't want to spend another minute on it, because i tried every fucking possibilty and working with external files is only sultion that works
23:42:43	BdN3504	like a charm
23:42:50	eulerphi	i would rather just be able to play the mp4's
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23:43:00	AlexP	Could we all stop swearing so much?
23:43:08	eulerphi	who is swearing?
23:43:19	AlexP	iwonder and BdN3504 recently
23:43:58	iwonder	alex, some of us are closer to death than others
23:44:01	iwonder	i'll leave it at that
23:44:04	iwonder	for you to find out
23:44:04	AlexP	Irrelevent
23:44:08	iwonder	no, it is not
23:44:12	BdN3504	sorry, this was only to express my frustration which is at enormous high levels right now, because i spent about three hours on a stupid syntax thingy
23:44:12	AlexP	Stay on topic and stay civil
23:44:30	bluebrother	eulerphi: are you running a recent build? IIRC there was some bug a while ago.
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23:44:52	pixelma	BdN3504: I can't imagine that it's such an amount of text you would heve to stuff it into extra files - just \opt{lcd_color}{\example{}}, \opt{lcd_whatever}{\example{}} in the same file
23:46:20	AlexP	pixelma: How is the M3 manual? :)
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23:46:53	iwonder	i've wasted enough time on stupid shit
23:46:57	iwonder	that should be trivial
23:47:01	iwonder	my life fading away
23:47:04	eulerphi	bluebrother: 3.3
23:47:05	iwonder	at every fucking moment
23:47:12	scorche\|sh	last warning
23:47:15	iwonder	last warning
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23:47:42	bluebrother	eulerphi: I'm not sure if the issue I was talking about is present in 3.3, but I'd suggest updating to the most recent build and trying again
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23:48:55	eulerphi	i'm just using the latest rbutil to update
23:49:01	eulerphi	i did it just today actually
23:49:34	bluebrother	and still experiencing the problem? Then it has to be something different.
23:50:03	eulerphi	here's a sample mp4 i'm trying to play.. http://filebin.ca/mzbtvd
23:50:55	saratoga	thats an AAC-HE file
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23:51:08	saratoga	as I said hours ago you can't play those on such a slow CPU as you have
23:51:12	BdN3504	pixelma: i tried it that way, it doesn't even compile.
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23:51:20	eulerphi	oh
23:51:26	eulerphi	i didn't know how to tell
23:51:45	MG_Man	Your best bet would be to get a somewhat newer player
23:51:49	*	fml sees the symbol HAS_BUTTON_HOLD and asks himself whether HAVE_... should be used instead
23:51:54	jboy	!search friends
23:51:56	MG_Man	Even an ipod 4g BW would do I believe
23:52:01	saratoga	why are you using AAC-HE anyway
23:52:03	jboy	xD :P
23:52:18	pixelma	BdN3504: can't imagine that it didn't compile because of this system
23:52:28	MG_Man	well anyway
23:52:42	pixelma	MG_Man: the processor of an 4G Ipod is not much different to the one in the c200
23:52:46	pixelma	if at all
23:52:53	BdN3504	actually, does it do any harm if i add six files? i mean there already is a very small file in the section i am writing in and it's for the player, so it has been there for a long time and no one has complained.
23:52:58	MG_Man	Perhaps a Photo or Video or something equivalent
23:53:15	MG_Man	Anyway, I'm thinking of getting an iriver h320 or h340
23:53:23	MG_Man	I'm pretty sure it's processor is strong enough
23:53:33	MG_Man	The only problem is that h340s are hard to come by, even on ebay
23:53:42	AlexP	MG_Man: All the ipods are the same (after first and second gen)
23:53:54	MG_Man	I'd probably be better off getting an h320 and then upgrading the HDD to 40GB
23:54:30	MG_Man	Even the 5G isn't good enough to do those?
23:54:33	MG_Man	Hmm
23:54:37	AlexP	Same processor
23:54:41	MG_Man	iPods are pretty shoddy then, aren't they
23:55:00	MG_Man	You'd think they'd up more than display and space
23:55:10	AlexP	They didn't need to
23:55:11	pixelma	and more work spent on updating the screen
23:55:13	saratoga	MG_Man: if you don't know what processor the ipod use why would you give advice about the processors they use
23:55:34	AlexP	The video has a specialised video chip we don't know how to use for the video decoding
23:55:40	MG_Man	I was just pretty sure it was tougher due to increased display quality, but I suppose that's completely different
23:56:11	saratoga	yes it is completely different
23:56:18	MG_Man	So how does an h320/340 measure up?
23:56:22	saratoga	the size of a screen in inches and the performance of a processor are not the same thing
23:56:43	AlexP	MG_Man: Please don't give advice about things you aren't sure about - we don't want someone buying a pointless player because of wrong information
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