| 00:00:02 | bluebrother | AlexP: I usually can on my daily-use target regardless of any backlight :) |
| 00:00:10 | bluebrother | plus, I'm never blind on that one ... |
| 00:00:15 | AlexP | bobrules: To reset all settings, check the manual for your player, or connect it to a computer and edit the config file in a text editor |
| 00:00:18 | domonoky1 | bobrules: install a voice file :-) |
| 00:00:21 | * | bluebrother giesses that bobrules refers to some color LCD target |
| 00:00:37 | domonoky1 | bobrules: better edit config.cfg with your pc. |
| 00:00:39 | CIA-43 | New commit by alle (r22625): Fix typos in the comment |
| 00:00:45 | bluebrother | AlexP: now tell him how to reset the settings! Without knowing which player he has. |
| 00:00:47 | bobrules | yeah,when my backlight is off, the screen is empty |
| 00:01:07 | * | bluebrother wonders who took the contents of the screen away |
| 00:01:10 | AlexP | bluebrother: I'm going to guess an ipod, so hold just after booting I think :) |
| 00:01:18 | bobrules | what if I just backup my cfg file, and delete it |
| 00:01:21 | bobrules | will that work? |
| 00:01:24 | bobrules | then I restore it |
| 00:01:30 | bluebrother | AlexP: why not an e200? Those are rather popular as well |
| 00:01:39 | bobrules | I have e200 |
| 00:01:41 | AlexP | bluebrother: yep, it was just a guess |
| 00:01:46 | AlexP | bluebrother: That I lost :) |
| 00:01:49 | domonoky1 | deleting will also work. but you can also just edit it with a text editor and enable backlight again. |
| 00:01:51 | Llorean | If deleting the .cfg fixes your problem, restoring it will bring the problem right back. |
| 00:02:08 | bobrules | what's the back light setting called |
| 00:02:15 | bluebrother | bobrules: starting with the facts is usually helpful, instead of waiting for people to guess around long enough to hit them ... |
| 00:02:25 | AlexP | bobrules: Have a look at the file, it is pretty obvious |
| 00:02:47 | bobrules | oh ok thanks |
| 00:02:49 | bluebrother | it's called "stupid_setting_pretty_much_hidden" ;-) |
| 00:02:52 | * | bluebrother ducks and runs |
| 00:03:10 | bobrules | thanks everyone |
| 00:03:16 | gevaerts | \_o< |
| 00:03:36 | bobrules | btw rockbox rules for e200 |
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| 00:03:48 | bobrules | it's much better than original firmware |
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| 00:04:01 | AlexP | indeed it is |
| 00:05:44 | bobrules | btw will there ever be a lrc reader |
| 00:06:07 | AlexP | If someone codes one, sure |
| 00:06:15 | AlexP | That meets requirements |
| 00:06:20 | bobrules | it's basically a txtfile with a timestamp |
| 00:06:30 | AlexP | So go ahead and add support for it :) |
| 00:06:30 | bluebrother | who needs that anyway? |
| 00:06:43 | bobrules | I can use it as a lyric reader |
| 00:06:54 | rasher | Isn't there one in the tracker? |
| 00:06:58 | domonoky1 | bobrules: there is a patch for it in the tracker.. dont know the status of it. |
| 00:06:58 | AlexP | rasher: yes |
| 00:07:08 | bluebrother | well, if it's intended as a lyrics reader you can use it as a lyrics reader. But who needs that? |
| 00:07:09 | bobrules | it's probably dead |
| 00:07:10 | rasher | FS #10559 |
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| 00:07:34 | AlexP | I thought it was older than that, maybe that is a newer effort |
| 00:07:36 | bobrules | I usually like to look at lyrics, so I can sing along |
| 00:07:45 | domonoky1 | last update 3 days ago. that doesnt look dead :-) |
| 00:07:49 | bluebrother | AlexP: there was an older feature request for that IIRC. |
| 00:07:52 | * | GodEater is glad he doesn't get the bus with bobrules |
| 00:07:52 | bobrules | oh they updated it |
| 00:07:55 | rasher | AlexP: that would be sncviewer |
| 00:08:04 | AlexP | rasher: ah yes, that's it |
| 00:08:05 | | Quit ender` (" The propeller is just a big fan in front of the plane used to keep the pilot cool. When it stops, you can actually watch th") |
| 00:08:06 | rasher | FS #7432 |
| 00:08:07 | * | bluebrother is with GodEater :) |
| 00:08:28 | bobrules | omg thanks so much |
| 00:08:28 | gevaerts | Has anyone ever though about writing a lrc to wps converter? It should be a fairly trivial thing to do with progress bar conditionals :) |
| 00:08:45 | Torne | gevaerts: hehe |
| 00:08:47 | rasher | gevaerts: o_O |
| 00:08:49 | bobrules | how to i use .patch file |
| 00:08:51 | GodEater | gevaerts: you're mental |
| 00:08:57 | bluebrother | bobrules: you read the wiki ... |
| 00:09:07 | rasher | bobrules: http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/WorkingWithPatches |
| 00:09:07 | bobrules | I'll go right now |
| 00:09:27 | bobrules | omg this is the most helpful channel on irc |
| 00:09:52 | GodEater | that makes a change from "you guyz sux0r" :) |
| 00:10:41 | gevaerts | bobrules: don't tell anyone I talked about this here, but maybe have a look at the "Unsupported builds" section on the forums. The lrc patch sounds like something a lot of those would include |
| 00:11:11 | AlexP | bobrules: You need to set up a build environment so that you can compile Rockbox from the source code. Then you apply that patch, which is a source code patch. Then you compile Rockbox |
| 00:11:11 | bobrules | no I like orginal build |
| 00:11:17 | bobrules | Oh my god that sounds so complicated |
| 00:11:22 | bobrules | you mean I cant just install it |
| 00:11:32 | AlexP | No, it is a source code patch |
| 00:12:02 | AlexP | The other option is that which gevaerts suggested |
| 00:12:08 | bobrules | oh |
| 00:12:14 | * | domonoky1 tells everyone that gevaerts told bobrules to go look in the unsuported forum section :-) |
| 00:12:19 | bluebrother | you can't install a binary patch either. We refer to source patches only, though |
| 00:12:21 | GodEater | gevaerts did what now ? |
| 00:12:25 | AlexP | Where somebody has already done that (maybe) |
| 00:12:35 | AlexP | GodEater: He blashphemed |
| 00:12:46 | GodEater | outrageous |
| 00:12:52 | * | GodEater demands justice |
| 00:12:57 | GodEater | and chocolatge |
| 00:13:01 | GodEater | -g |
| 00:13:08 | * | scorche|sh gets out the pitchforks and torches |
| 00:13:12 | * | gevaerts hides |
| 00:13:13 | scorche|sh | did someone say justice? |
| 00:13:15 | GodEater | yay, smores! |
| 00:13:20 | * | domonoky1 opens beer :-) |
| 00:13:30 | bobrules | Im afraid switching to other builds might brick my player |
| 00:13:37 | AlexP | They won't |
| 00:13:45 | AlexP | Not from there anyway |
| 00:13:50 | GodEater | AlexP: going to guarantee that ? :) |
| 00:13:53 | gevaerts | the e200 is pretty hard to brick |
| 00:13:54 | AlexP | GodEater: Nope |
| 00:14:02 | bluebrother | Opening beer? With a pitchfork? |
| 00:14:03 | AlexP | GodEater: Not on your nelly |
| 00:14:17 | bobrules | oh and where is the unsupported forum? |
| 00:14:19 | domonoky1 | the only thing is, that when you swith we wont help you anymore :-) |
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| 00:14:42 | gevaerts | bobrules: it's a section on forums.rockbox.org |
| 00:14:46 | GodEater | bobrules: you know where our forums are right ? |
| 00:14:46 | AlexP | bobrules: You should be pretty safe with those, but if you are using an unsupported build, then you don't get help here or iin the forums (outside of that thread) anymore |
| 00:15:04 | * | bluebrother points out that we have neither forums nor wiki but only make this noise for fun. |
| 00:15:07 | bobrules | what if it's very generic |
| 00:15:21 | bluebrother | to fool "users" of course. |
| 00:15:31 | rasher | bobrules: Then you install the proper build, and recreate the problem, and only then do you ask for help here. |
| 00:16:07 | GodEater | bluebrother: remember that guy that came on the forums last year who couldn't get Rockbox on his Archos? And thought the whole thing was one huge elaborate hoax? |
| 00:16:19 | AlexP | bobrules: These unsupported builds often have very large numbers of changes, so we want to make sure that any problem is in "real" Rockbox and not due to a random change someone has made |
| 00:16:30 | rasher | bobrules: It's a pretty reasonable policy if you ask me. That way we're sure the problem/issue is really with the proper Rockbox code, and not whatever the unsupported build has added. |
| 00:16:41 | bobrules | oh ok |
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| 00:17:36 | bluebrother | GodEater: remember my GoldenQuote in that thread? IIRC that was that thread :) |
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| 00:18:26 | bobrules | I'll just wait for an official release of lrc reader |
| 00:18:40 | bobrules | do you guys implement patches on a regular basis |
| 00:18:53 | AlexP | yes and no |
| 00:19:15 | AlexP | It depends on a) someone taking an interest b) The patch being done properly |
| 00:19:26 | GodEater | "we" don't implement them, the authors do. "we" just commit them into the main rockbox code when we're happy they're no longer crap :) |
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| 00:19:49 | * | GodEater caveats that he personally commits nothing, ever. |
| 00:20:33 | GodEater | despite Bagder apparently suffering from the delusion that I'm on the commiters mailing list :) |
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| 00:21:17 | bobrules | do you guys use lrc |
| 00:21:18 | Bagder | delusions is what I do best! |
| 00:21:40 | GodEater | bobrules: not I |
| 00:22:05 | AlexP | bobrules: nope |
| 00:22:15 | * | domonoky1 thinks a lrc player might be a nice candidat for a future "in-wps" plugins. ie plugins who draw into a viewport of a wps :-) |
| 00:23:00 | bobrules | I need one so I can impress girls on the fly |
| 00:23:16 | bobrules | I can only memorize a little bit of each song |
| 00:23:25 | GodEater | you impress girls bu singing along to your mp3 player in front of them ? |
| 00:23:27 | bluebrother | we don't do Rockbox to impress girls ... |
| 00:23:30 | GodEater | wow - they must be easily impressed |
| 00:23:35 | rasher | bluebrother: We don't?! |
| 00:23:37 | domonoky1 | bobrules: then starte coding and improve it :-) |
| 00:23:47 | gevaerts | bluebrother: so why do we do it? |
| 00:23:50 | GodEater | bluebrother: yeah, speak for yourself |
| 00:23:50 | bobrules | I can't, I only know turing |
| 00:24:00 | GodEater | he's dead |
| 00:24:02 | AlexP | ?me gently nudges us back on topic |
| 00:24:04 | GodEater | you can't know him that well |
| 00:24:05 | bluebrother | gevaerts: because of no girls around? |
| 00:24:07 | AlexP | * /me |
| 00:24:15 | GodEater | AlexP: give it up |
| 00:26:40 | GodEater | nice one AlexP |
| 00:26:44 | GodEater | you killed the conversation |
| 00:27:36 | bobrules | No i'm pretty sure girls like music player firmware coders |
| 00:27:57 | * | Torne is reverse engineering the beast rom to impress boys? :) |
| 00:28:21 | GodEater | Rockbox is an equal opportunties project! |
| 00:28:29 | GodEater | we encourage diversity |
| 00:28:32 | GodEater | even furries |
| 00:29:04 | * | bluebrother wonders if there are any girls that would be impressed by a reverse engineered beast rom |
| 00:29:31 | GodEater | do you wonder if they'd be impressed enough to sleep with you? Or just generally impressed ? |
| 00:29:34 | GodEater | :D |
| 00:29:57 | * | gevaerts proposes to return to the topic |
| 00:30:06 | * | bluebrother wonders if this is the correct channel |
| 00:30:12 | * | GodEater thought this was the topic |
| 00:36:02 | bobrules | you know for the txt reader, I can't seem to scroll line by line, horizontally |
| 00:36:56 | domonoky1 | is it save to draw in rockbox from two different threads, or is drawing from something else then the main-thread not allowed ? |
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| 00:43:49 | * | domonoky1 thinks that having our demos (visualisation) or something like the lrc-viewer displayed in a wps viewport would be really nice. But if we can/should only draw from one thread, it would require some specialised plugins, where the wps calls some draw function.. sounds complicated :-/ |
| 00:46:15 | Hillshum | that would be really cool |
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| 00:56:56 | domonoky1 | may be we could export a function pointer from a tsr plugin via the id3-struct ? :-) then a potential plugin wps tag could just call the draw pointer if present and plugin loaded. |
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| 02:36:03 | jedahan | I just upgraded my hard drive to 120gb, but cfdisk is showing it as only 60gb. iPod 5g (originally 60gb). Is is possible that the iPod firmware is doing this? Is there a workaround? |
| 02:41:00 | Llorean | There's been no reported case of it doing that to someone else, as far as I know. |
| 02:43:11 | jedahan | hmm, gonna reboot, try inspecting it some other way, then complain to the guy I bought it from |
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| 02:46:57 | CIA-43 | New commit by lowlight (r22626): Fix display bug in the Samsung YH-920 on partial lcd updates. |
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| 02:50:21 | webguest55 | rockbox does work on ipod nano 2g |
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| 02:53:03 | scorche|sh | thanks for the info! |
| 02:57:50 | JdGordon | wait a seccy!!! |
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| 03:16:43 | jedahan | wrong drive :-p, but now the right drive is showing up as 2.2tb...even though I know its not |
| 03:16:45 | jedahan | the connector must be bad :9 |
| 03:17:01 | TechGuy | does anyone know anything about the pp5024 |
| 03:17:31 | TechGuy | like where i can get the development |
| 03:17:32 | TechGuy | kit |
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| 03:18:38 | rasher | TechGuy: You can't. |
| 03:20:02 | TechGuy | why not? |
| 03:20:31 | rasher | Because they don't want you to have it. |
| 03:20:49 | rasher | And when I say "you", I mean it in the most general way possible. |
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| 04:01:41 | TechGuy | why cant i get the development kit for the PP5024 |
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| 04:02:04 | rasher | TechGuy: Because you are not a customer. |
| 04:02:36 | TechGuy | so im stuck using the documentation provided by Rockbox |
| 04:02:36 | TechGuy | ? |
| 04:02:43 | rasher | TechGuy: Because you are not a customer. |
| 04:02:44 | rasher | eh |
| 04:02:46 | rasher | Yes |
| 04:02:55 | rasher | Or whatever else you can find |
| 04:03:41 | TechGuy | is there a way i can keep rockbox from boosting the cpu speed? |
| 04:04:09 | rasher | Should be rather simple |
| 04:04:14 | rasher | Why would you want to? |
| 04:04:27 | TechGuy | well i wanna see how doom runs at the 30mhz clock |
| 04:04:30 | TechGuy | instead of boosted |
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| 04:05:40 | rasher | TechGuy: Comment out line 666, 690 and 752 of apps/plugins/doom/rockdoom.c |
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| 04:06:15 | TechGuy | rasher i dont have the tools to compile the code |
| 04:06:18 | rasher | This won't stop rockbox as a whole from boosting. Just Doom. |
| 04:06:42 | rasher | I see. I guess you're stuck then. |
| 04:12:20 | scorche|sh | it is rather easy to get said tools.. |
| 04:12:55 | n17ikh | line 666, heh |
| 04:13:14 | n17ikh | didn't multiplayer doom use udp port 666? |
| 04:13:54 | n17ikh | ...hmm. What kind of things are possible with the devices rockbox presents itself as on the USB bus? |
| 04:14:30 | n17ikh | could it be possible to have it emulate some sort of line-in on a USB soundcard (or some device class that does the same thing) for devices with a built-in FM radio? |
| 04:14:44 | n17ikh | so as to listen to FM radio through the PC it's plugged into? |
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| 04:15:24 | n17ikh | or is such an idea likely to use too much CPU power? |
| 04:17:36 | TechGuy | n17ikh i like the idea but i dont know if its possible |
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| 04:19:05 | n17ikh | yeah, especially not while doing mass storage too |
| 04:19:11 | n17ikh | which is where it would be interesting |
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| 04:30:40 | TechGuy | well n17ikh are you good at C |
| 04:30:56 | n17ikh | not spectacularly |
| 04:31:04 | TechGuy | same here |
| 04:31:16 | TechGuy | i never learned syslevel coding |
| 04:31:20 | iCub | i know someone who is fluent in C. |
| 04:31:38 | * | scorche|sh thinks this is getting a bit offtopic |
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| 05:13:35 | brn2dth | it is possible use the mpeg plugin on a philips sa9200 or is not ready yet??? |
| 05:15:03 | brn2dth | sorry first of all.... Hello people... |
| 05:15:07 | brn2dth | its possible??? |
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| 05:30:03 | brn2dth | anyone?? |
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| 05:35:38 | advcomp2019 | brn2dth, just wait for someone that can help |
| 05:36:39 | brn2dth | ok |
| 05:40:33 | TechGuy | brn2dth i will check :P |
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| 05:43:53 | TechGuy | it does not appear it works |
| 05:44:55 | TechGuy | it does not work |
| 05:45:49 | brn2dth | need more work in the code or the codec? because the sound work's fine.... :) |
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| 05:46:24 | TechGuy | sorry im not a developer all i could do was use the simulator |
| 05:48:35 | rasher | That doesn't help any. |
| 05:49:53 | brn2dth | thanks TechG... i keep trying... |
| 05:50:08 | CIA-43 | New commit by kugel (r22627): Make the Fuze usable again by inserting a few delays in the lcd functions, core rockbox should be fine now. NOTE: *After exiting* plugins (e.g. doom, ... |
| 05:50:14 | CIA-43 | New commit by kugel (r22628): Increase the button delays slightly to aid against sporadic missreads of the hold button an sporadic blue pixels on the display. |
| 05:52:48 | than0 | anyone working on AMS sansas? |
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| 05:58:31 | bertrik | than0, I do |
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| 05:59:56 | than0 | bertrik, oh.. great. |
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| 06:00:22 | than0 | I am using C200v2 with only one patch and disabled album view, and it works pretty well.. |
| 06:02:41 | bertrik | than0, I just borrowed a c200v2, playback seemed very unstable so far, which patch are you using? |
| 06:02:42 | than0 | The patch was suggested by Freqmod (FS #9332 from Nicolas Pennequi) after changing "strncpy" to "strlcpy".. AND disabling album art per instruction. |
| 06:03:18 | than0 | Before the patch, the playback would work for a few seconds until the buffer fills up.. so low bitrate mp3 would play a longer than higher bitrate mp3.. while flac won't play at all. |
| 06:03:38 | than0 | After the patch, flac and high bitrate mp3s have played without a single crash. |
| 06:04:01 | than0 | Previously, without the patch, you need to restart C200v2 to bring back audio, but interface remained stable. |
| 06:04:22 | than0 | You can get the patch from here: http://www.rockbox.org/tracker/task/9332 |
| 06:05:10 | than0 | You need to change one line (strncpy to strlcpy) to compile.. and also disable album art support.. instructions are on the patch page. |
| 06:05:26 | Hillshum | bertrik: you own a clip too right? How would you compare playback of the two? |
| 06:06:01 | bertrik | Hillshum, I just received the c200v2 less than 12 hours ago, I haven't really been able to compare it |
| 06:06:42 | than0 | Hillshum, no clip.. just C200v2, E200v1.. but I might get Clip+ (the new clip with microsd slot and folder browsing).. |
| 06:07:23 | than0 | bertrik, well.. if you apply the patch with one line change, disable album art.. the music playback will work flawless.. including pretty much everything. |
| 06:07:32 | than0 | some plugins will crash though |
| 06:08:36 | than0 | Ah another thing I noticed... the using the bookmarking on microSD cards might either crash or corrupt microsd cards... but copy/paste directly from microSD to internal memory/vice versa seems pretty stable. |
| 06:09:03 | than0 | The volume buttons don't work, but I heard that someone's working on the patch... |
| 06:09:09 | bertrik | than0, why is the strncpy to strlcpy change needed? does it just make things compile? or does it also help with stability? |
| 06:09:39 | bertrik | than0, yes, I am working on the volume buttons, should get added this weekend |
| 06:09:55 | than0 | bertrik, just to make it compile. |
| 06:10:35 | than0 | I think since 3.2 or 3.3.. not sure.. developers started using strlcpy instead for stability reasons.. |
| 06:10:40 | bertrik | OK, I might resync that patch with that change this weekend too |
| 06:11:25 | than0 | just realize, I have very limited programming skills.. MSBASIC :D |
| 06:13:02 | than0 | I guess this patch should be able to fix issues with ClipV1.. |
| 06:16:59 | bertrik | yes maybe this could be the fix for the clip/c200v2 playback issues, but it just nags me that we don't really understand what the problem with the current situation is. |
| 06:18:04 | than0 | well.. my guess. |
| 06:18:34 | than0 | from the fact that.. at least on C200V2, the sound would work for few seconds (and longer on lower bitrate mp3s).. seem to indicate it might be a buffering issue |
| 06:18:46 | than0 | once those buffer gets filled up, it crashes the sound... |
| 06:19:32 | than0 | the patch (according to author) allows mp3 to play directly from internal memory/microSD... I am not sure... but I guess less caching ? |
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| 06:20:41 | than0 | freqmod first suggested the patch on the forum, but he seems seldom online/active :( |
| 06:20:57 | than0 | freqmod is here, but not active right now |
| 06:27:17 | than0 | bbl..gotta play some game.. |
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| 07:35:02 | brn2dth | i've working on the mpegplayer for the sa9200 and in the simulator works... but i cant make it... |
| 07:35:05 | brn2dth | any idea??? |
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| 07:37:15 | TechGuy | brn2dth i couldnt get it working in the simulator |
| 07:39:46 | brn2dth | i just patch the plugins... and convert the video to iAudio X5 with WinFF and Works!... on the simulator... |
| 07:40:34 | brn2dth | make the firmware for the DAP and make a full new install but... still not working... :( |
| 07:41:56 | brn2dth | i use the patch for the keymaps... http://www.rockbox.org/tracker/task/10431 |
| 07:43:45 | brn2dth | ill keep trying... ;) |
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| 11:05:33 | n1s | so, when do we freeze for the next release? |
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| 11:17:35 | n1s | iirc we usually release on the 23rd and freeze two(?) weeks before that, so the 9th? |
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| 11:19:57 | bluefoxx | Anybody in here know something about the Iriver H10? |
| 11:20:22 | bluefoxx | I have one here with a toasted disk that I want to replace with a compact flash card and turn into a rockboxx'd player... |
| 11:20:39 | bluefoxx | And nobody elsewhere seems to know anything about them. |
| 11:21:06 | bluefoxx | So far I know that they bastardized the nice and standard CF connector with an annoying ribbon cable, and thats it... |
| 11:22:18 | n1s | bluefoxx: http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/HardDriveReplacement |
| 11:22:44 | n1s | it's not a basterdized cf connector, it's a zif connector of some standard apparently |
| 11:22:47 | bluefoxx | n1s: Cool |
| 11:22:51 | bluefoxx | Annoying though |
| 11:22:56 | n1s | yes |
| 11:23:06 | bluefoxx | 'cause I can get like a 4Gb CF card from work for like, nothing. |
| 11:23:16 | bluefoxx | I got the iriver from there. was about to be scrapped. |
| 11:23:29 | n1s | the regular cf interface is the best feature of the ipod minis by far :) |
| 11:23:29 | bluefoxx | and I saw it and went "Oh hey, I can fix that" |
| 11:23:43 | bluefoxx | Also got back one of my old sansa's that the screen went wonkey on |
| 11:23:56 | bluefoxx | think i'll rockbox it again and turn on voice menues |
| 11:24:18 | bluefoxx | I'm suddenly swimming in surplus audoi storage and playback toys... |
| 11:26:15 | n1s | sorry, it's apparently a zif connector on the big h10 and "F-FLEX" on the small |
| 11:27:14 | bluefoxx | big as in capacaty or physical size? |
| 11:27:40 | bluefoxx | because my e200 is tiny in size but holds 24Gb of music, which is huge. |
| 11:28:27 | n1s | both, the big h10 is 20GB and the small is 5/6BG |
| 11:28:32 | bluefoxx | right |
| 11:28:35 | bluefoxx | this is a 6 gig |
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| 11:31:57 | sinthetek | does anyone know if there is a way to make rockbox itself reformat a sd card? |
| 11:32:01 | bluefoxx | Is there some kind of adaptor for this, similar to what a 2.5" drive in a laptop frequently uses? |
| 11:32:17 | bluefoxx | sinthetek: microsd card in a sansa? |
| 11:32:21 | sinthetek | yeah |
| 11:32:27 | bluefoxx | plug it into your pc |
| 11:32:32 | bluefoxx | it shows up as a cardreader |
| 11:32:42 | bluefoxx | and than use the tool of your choice |
| 11:32:49 | bluefoxx | works great for me at least |
| 11:32:49 | sinthetek | it's not doing that, that's why i wanna reformat it :\ |
| 11:32:57 | sinthetek | well, it creates a device for it |
| 11:33:08 | sinthetek | but i cannot seem to get it to function right |
| 11:33:08 | bluefoxx | windows or linux? |
| 11:33:12 | sinthetek | linux |
| 11:33:21 | bluefoxx | your on your own than |
| 11:33:30 | bluefoxx | i haven't touched that in a year and a half and a bit |
| 11:33:34 | sinthetek | it was showing up as sdg1 but now it's showing as sdg |
| 11:33:40 | bluefoxx | oh |
| 11:33:44 | bluefoxx | download gparted |
| 11:33:50 | sinthetek | when i try to orun mkfs.vfat it says 'no medium found' now |
| 11:34:00 | sinthetek | ahh it needs a new partition table? |
| 11:34:12 | bluefoxx | you formated the entire device, iirc |
| 11:34:17 | bluefoxx | instead of partitioning it |
| 11:34:32 | bluefoxx | 'i accidentally the partition' |
| 11:35:23 | sinthetek | i cannot dd it either |
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| 11:35:39 | sinthetek | which is how i broke it to begin with |
| 11:36:05 | n1s | sinthetek: rockbox can not format the card |
| 11:36:22 | sinthetek | i was trying to use it to install ubuntu netbook remix (the only usb-device i have big enough to do it) |
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| 11:37:20 | sinthetek | i did the dd command to copy the install image to the microsd card and it was working but i cancelled it before it finished |
| 11:37:50 | n1s | so no device is created for it? |
| 11:37:55 | bluefoxx | http://tinyurl.com/ataflexseagate is what i want correct? |
| 11:38:04 | bluefoxx | the PDFs they link 404 |
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| 11:38:16 | sinthetek | n1s some sort of device file is created but i cannot do anything with it |
| 11:38:56 | n1s | sinthetek: fdisk can't partition it? |
| 11:38:58 | sinthetek | lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 9 2009-09-05 05:30 /dev/disk/by-id/usb-Rockbox_SD_Card_Slot_9000000000000000087B3243204E20664-0:1 -> ../../sdg |
| 11:39:15 | sinthetek | dd: opening `/dev/sdg': No medium found |
| 11:39:23 | sinthetek | when i tried to run cfdisk on it |
| 11:39:49 | sinthetek | it said fatal error cannot open disk drive |
| 11:39:52 | n1s | maybe the cardslot is damaged or the connector dirty? |
| 11:40:25 | sinthetek | i haven't done anything to it since it was working a few min ago... |
| 11:40:34 | sinthetek | i'll try cleaning it out or something |
| 11:40:39 | bluefoxx | Than why format it? |
| 11:40:47 | bluefoxx | If it works, don't fix it. |
| 11:41:15 | bluefoxx | I learned that the hard way when dicking around wiht linux and my first mp3 player a couple years back. |
| 11:41:19 | sinthetek | i can still mount the main rockbox files/storage, just not the microsd |
| 11:41:38 | bluefoxx | go make friends with a windows user |
| 11:41:46 | sinthetek | bluefoxx: it isn't working. i cannot mount the microsd or dd-to it to accomplish my original task |
| 11:42:35 | sinthetek | since i can't mount it i cannot even restore the music that was on there before i tried to use it as an install medium |
| 11:43:12 | sinthetek | currently it's just a 4gb sdcard with half of an ubuntu netbook remix install image |
| 11:43:15 | sinthetek | on it* |
| 11:43:35 | sinthetek | that i cannot access externally* |
| 11:44:20 | Galois | what do you mean you cancelled it. You pulled the plug? |
| 11:45:16 | sinthetek | Galois i rebooted |
| 11:45:23 | Galois | hard or soft |
| 11:45:56 | sinthetek | soft but i dunno if it was able to properly stop the dd that was in progress |
| 11:46:23 | sinthetek | i tried to cancel it with ^c but it wasn't working so after a few min i just rebooted anyway |
| 11:46:32 | n1s | even if it was stopped the fs on the card is probably broken so don't expect to be able to mount it |
| 11:47:00 | sinthetek | n1s i didn't expect to mount it but it seems rockbox is able to mount it |
| 11:47:31 | sinthetek | i can see the files from the installer image from inside rockbox |
| 11:48:03 | sinthetek | but plugging it in doesn't create a device for the microsd card that i can do anything with (dd, cfdisk, mount, etc) |
| 11:48:18 | sinthetek | mkfs |
| 11:48:24 | n1s | is the card sdhc or regular sd? |
| 11:49:44 | sinthetek | sdhc |
| 11:50:23 | n1s | ok, so the OF is no help then, it does sound more like a linux problem than a rockbox problem though... |
| 11:50:57 | sinthetek | yeah :\ |
| 11:51:47 | sinthetek | dunno if it means anything but after i plug it into usb, it seems the <microSD> dir disappears until i reboot the device |
| 11:51:51 | sinthetek | does that tell you anything? |
| 11:54:02 | bluefoxx | turn the player on, pull the card, reboot the player and plug the card in, try a format |
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| 12:01:08 | sinthetek | nada |
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| 12:09:48 | sinthetek | ok, it just occurred to me that this netbook still has xp on it |
| 12:10:03 | sinthetek | so i tried to connect and it seems to be doing the same thing pretty much as linux |
| 12:10:34 | sinthetek | when i try to format it it says to insert a disk into that drive |
| 12:11:02 | sinthetek | format/open it* |
| 12:15:09 | n1s | how about windows fdisk, or diskmanager or whatever they call it nowadays |
| 12:16:04 | n1s | i wouldn't expect windows to format media with a broken partition table any more than linux |
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| 12:17:59 | sinthetek | i dunno how to run it if i don't know what it's called :P |
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| 12:23:41 | GodEater | sinthetek: right click "My Computer" and choose "Manage" |
| 12:24:05 | GodEater | in the window that opens expand the tree on the left until you find "Disk Administrator" or similar |
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| 12:40:03 | sinthetek | tthanks GodEater but still don't see a way to format it or anything :\ |
| 12:40:47 | n1s | sinthetek: you likely need to partition it first |
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| 12:48:57 | sinthetek | n1s i figured as much, i don't see any way to do so |
| 12:49:22 | n1s | does it not show up in the disk manager thingy? |
| 12:49:34 | sinthetek | the top half of the screen doesn't list the microsd drive. the bottom half lists it but doesn't indicate that there is any 'space' |
| 12:49:52 | sinthetek | right-clicking only lists properties and the 'change drive letter' option |
| 12:51:22 | n1s | is this still through the sansa card slot? |
| 12:52:31 | n1s | maybe trying through a different card reader would help |
| 12:52:58 | n1s | but realy i don't think this has much todo with rockbox so this is not really the best place to get help |
| 12:53:48 | sinthetek | that's the only microsd slot i have :\ |
| 12:54:05 | sinthetek | you guys are a lot better than the people in #linux :P |
| 12:55:02 | sinthetek | i don't think it is necessarily a rockbox problem either. i initially just came to ask if there was a way to do something directly with rockbox |
| 12:55:35 | sinthetek | thanks for trying to help though |
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| 13:23:29 | kugel | I didn't have that problem, just that the lines are changing very quickly |
| 13:32:44 | n1s | kugel: it seems r22610 caused fs#10588 |
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| 13:53:40 | funm4n | bertrik: the radio worked fine when I tested it on c200v2 |
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| 13:56:41 | bertrik | oh weird, I get nothing but noise from it in rockbox (it works in the OF) |
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| 13:57:07 | bertrik | the fm tuner chip seems to be a slightly older revision as the one in my clip |
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| 14:00:43 | funm4n | bertrik perhaps look at the changes to the tuner chip after I enabled c200v2 |
| 14:01:11 | funm4n | there could have been a change breaking the older chip revision in the c200v2 |
| 14:01:50 | bertrik | at devcon euro 2009 I made a change that fixed e200v2 radio (and still worked with the clip) maybe this broke c200v2 radio ... |
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| 14:04:04 | funm4n | I dont remember if i had tested it |
| 14:04:35 | funm4n | what was the change needed to read the other buttons on dbop ? |
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| 14:05:01 | Creposucre | Any radio guru around? |
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| 14:06:27 | funm4n | Creposucre just ask what you need (there is bertrik not too far) |
| 14:06:37 | Creposucre | thanks |
| 14:07:07 | bertrik | funm4n, the write of the red pixel to the LCD only uses 8 bits of the DBOP data pins (it's only 8 bits wide toward the LCD), but the other buttons were on the high part of the DBOP data bus. I'm now explicilty programming DBOP to write to 8 high bits too and it now longer does the LCD red pixel thing |
| 14:07:57 | Creposucre | just wondered how to do with the HAVE_TUNER_MULTI in tuner.c (I added again the RDS stuff in FS494 for test purposes) |
| 14:08:32 | Creposucre | I doubt what I did is clean |
| 14:08:48 | bertrik | I don't know, I think it was required for some specific target with two tuner chips, but I'm not sure |
| 14:08:59 | funm4n | bertrik did you apply these changes to the bootloader to see if it makes the lcd stay always on ? |
| 14:09:10 | bertrik | funm4n, no not yet |
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| 14:11:36 | Creposucre | bertrik: it looks that is what you say, but I don't know any target which owe two |
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| 14:13:12 | bertrik | Maybe it was added "just in case". If it complicates other things, I'm in favour of removing this multi tuner mechanism until really needed. |
| 14:14:01 | Creposucre | I'm ok with that, for my concern |
| 14:15:09 | Creposucre | how can decide or validate that? |
| 14:15:20 | Creposucre | "who" |
| 14:17:01 | bertrik | the rockbox decision making process can be a bit fuzzy |
| 14:17:32 | Creposucre | lol |
| 14:18:57 | gevaerts | CONFIG_TUNER_MULTI is used by the ondio fm |
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| 14:20:12 | bertrik | ah yes I vaguely remember one of the targets could have different radio chips depending on hardware revision or something like that, so we need to support both |
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| 14:21:08 | bertrik | so we can't remove the mechanism |
| 14:21:16 | Creposucre | :( |
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| 14:27:44 | gevaerts | is there an actual problem with CONFIG_TUNER_MULTI? |
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| 14:34:43 | Creposucre | gevaerts: i'd like to had some things to support RDS text on the radio screen |
| 14:36:12 | Creposucre | that requires to add some things in tuner.c to bring that support for others targets |
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| 14:38:51 | gevaerts | but surely MULTI doesn't make that impossible? |
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| 14:41:56 | Creposucre | I actually made an attempt in the last patch, i'm gonna test it with the ondio fm |
| 14:43:41 | gevaerts | from a *very* quick look I think that looks ok |
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| 14:49:23 | Creposucre | compiler doesn't seem to like the define HAVE_RDS_CAP in the middle of the case type |
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| 15:01:56 | Creposucre | Another question: How come that an ipod video 60G takes more time than a 30g (5G) to boot? |
| 15:02:27 | CIA-43 | New commit by teru (r22630): remove extra 1 element in arrays. use same counter for both manual and auto fire. break long lines. |
| 15:02:57 | Creposucre | ~15s for the 30G, barely scratching on the HD, ~30s for the 60G scratching like hell |
| 15:03:03 | Creposucre | dircache removed |
| 15:07:24 | bertrik | can c200 owners please test the fix in http://www.rockbox.org/tracker/task/10586 ? |
| 15:08:19 | bertrik | it fixes a problem navigating in the time setting menu for me, not completely sure it is free of side effects |
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| 15:16:01 | domonoky | is there any documentation what tables the buildserver expects in the mysql db ? |
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| 15:24:56 | * | gevaerts wishes that more people would remember that the bootloader assumes 512-byte sectors when reporting partition sizes |
| 15:25:05 | gevaerts | or maybe we should just fix that |
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| 15:30:45 | domonoky | if i run a buildsever locally, how do i tell it to start a build-round ? |
| 15:31:55 | gevaerts | isn't there some sort of telnet interface? |
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| 15:33:28 | domonoky | looks like it from the code, but how to use it ? |
| 15:34:23 | kugel | bertrik: I don't think it's the right fix |
| 15:34:48 | kugel | that looks like it would make it impossible to hold left for going to the root in the filebrowser |
| 15:35:54 | kugel | instead, you should probably insert a "{ACTION_NONE, BUTTON_LEFT, BUTTON_NONE}" line into the timescreen keymap |
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| 15:38:57 | gevaerts | domonoky: I don't know more about it than you... From the code, it seems that the "commander" uses a slightly different HELLO syntax, and then supports UPDATE and BUILD commands, but that's about all I understand from it |
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| 15:41:20 | domonoky | gevaerts: thanks, the correct HELLO did it :-) |
| 15:41:47 | domonoky | now to find out how the mysql tables should look like. |
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| 15:50:02 | gevaerts | domonoky: do you know about the read-only access to the database? |
| 15:50:28 | domonoky | no, that would be good to get the table layout :-) |
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| 15:51:09 | gevaerts | mysql server: buildmaster.rockbox.org username: rockbox password: FVUKynGTzzEad3Nq |
| 15:51:52 | kugel | amiconn: ping |
| 15:52:54 | gevaerts | domonoky: "mysqldump −−single-transaction −−no-data -h buildmaster.rockbox.org -u rockbox −−password=FVUKynGTzzEad3Nq rockbox" should give you what you need I think |
| 15:53:12 | domonoky | thanks |
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| 16:02:13 | domonoky | hm, only haveing 1 new client gives 0 points/sec which causes a divison by zero :-) |
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| 16:30:19 | kugel | n1s: the radio crash is apparently caused by the assumption "meh, the list code hopefully handles this stopping of scrolling for me" |
| 16:32:06 | kugel | same problem as with the quickscreen. but the parent vp for the radio is on the stack, hence scrolling code crashes. the quickscreen viewports aren't on the stack, so it keeps scrolling after exiting |
| 16:33:08 | domonoky | hm, looks like the buildserver has serious problems it if has only one client and the client isnt in the stats. bestfit_builds never returns :-/ |
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| 16:38:35 | CIA-43 | New commit by kugel (r22631): Fix bug in viewports preparation (screen.lcdwidth() isn't really proper for this in times of custom ui vp), and stop all scrolling before exiting ... |
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| 16:44:40 | * | domonoky was wrong.bestfit_builds() never finishes, when we have builds and no clients for them |
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| 16:54:02 | bertrik | kugel, but I want to be able to go left and right in the time settings screen, so I don't want to set it to ACTION_NONE |
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| 17:02:21 | TheSeven | bertrik: i saw you wrote some very early NAND code for a S5L8700 target? |
| 17:03:16 | TheSeven | I've got a working NAND driver for S5L8701 now, so you might want to try that out on the 8700, as it's extremely similar (even thogh some minor things seem to have changed on the 8701) |
| 17:03:23 | bertrik | TheSeven, it's only the NAND identification, basically following what the datasheet says for that and corrected a bit according to what I saw in disassembled firmware |
| 17:04:19 | bertrik | nice |
| 17:04:52 | bertrik | I am able to read the raw NAND with a Samsung utility that can be downloaded as a DFU and a windows tool that can talk to it |
| 17:05:35 | TheSeven | ok, that's good, so you can compare results :-) |
| 17:05:36 | bertrik | What kind of NAND functions are in your driver? |
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| 17:05:51 | bertrik | init/identify/read/write/erase? |
| 17:05:53 | TheSeven | get_chip_id / read_page / program_page / block_erase |
| 17:07:20 | TheSeven | yep, and init of course |
| 17:07:47 | TheSeven | it isn't too complex, just 300 lines of C |
| 17:08:34 | bertrik | do you do anything with the OOB or "spare" data? |
| 17:08:49 | TheSeven | yep, i'm checking the ECC stuff |
| 17:08:57 | bertrik | I have not really looked into that, but as far as I understand, that is used for metadata and error correction |
| 17:09:13 | TheSeven | (not using the on-the-fly ecc features, as apple didn't use them either, so there may be something wrong with them) |
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| 17:09:59 | TheSeven | well, the actual layout of the spare bytes may be different on the other players, but adjusting that shouldn't be too hard |
| 17:10:47 | bertrik | I'm still not even sure how to approach the whole thing, whether to try to keep compatible with the OF or put a whole new FTL on top of it (which one?) |
| 17:10:58 | TheSeven | on the ipod, the first 0xC bytes are metadata, then there are 0x28 bytes of data ECC, then 0xC bytes of meta ECC |
| 17:11:14 | bertrik | or how bootloading shoudl be done on these targetrs |
| 17:11:31 | TheSeven | bertrik: they are using whimory, too? we should look into whether that's a newer/older version than on the ipod |
| 17:11:44 | bertrik | I was seeing 9-byte blocks in the spare area of the samsung yp-s3 and various other-sized blocks |
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| 17:12:07 | bertrik | I should have put that info on a wiki... :) |
| 17:12:35 | bertrik | The Whimory version could be found as simple text strings in the firmwares I looked at |
| 17:13:16 | bertrik | IIRC, the Samsung YP-S3 uses a signature of 220W, to indicate Whimory 2.2.0, the Meizus used a slightly older version |
| 17:14:10 | bertrik | I also looked at the iphoneboot code, but couldn't really map it to what I was seeing on the Meizus and the Samsung yp-s3 |
| 17:14:19 | TheSeven | i'm asking that because there is some nice example code in openiboot, and the ipod one seems to be a little older than the iphone one (both use a "A004" signature on the first blocks, and the version number in the FTLCxt block didn't even exist yet on the ipod |
| 17:14:39 | TheSeven | it maps quite good to the ipod, though |
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| 17:17:28 | TheSeven | is there a "A003" / "A004" signature on the first pages and "DEVICEINFOSIGN" / "DEVICEINFOBBT" on the last ones (of each bank)? |
| 17:18:32 | bertrik | I looked for strings like that, but couldn't find them in the samsung yp-s3 NAND |
| 17:18:47 | TheSeven | not good :-/ |
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| 17:26:00 | vedos | how do i quit Doom on Rockbox iPod G2? |
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| 17:35:25 | pixelma | vedos: what does the manual say about it? |
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| 17:40:17 | kugel | bertrik: I mean setting BUTTON_LEFT to do nothing with it. you can still set BUTTON_LEFT|BUTTON_[REL|REPEAT] to go left in the screen |
| 17:40:36 | kugel | just unmap or remap the the button that does ACTION_STD_CANCEL |
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| 17:47:51 | bughunter2 | Hey, for the Sansa AMS targets, USB is listed as 'No', what does this mean in reality? Like, you can't charge, or transfer files, via USB? |
| 17:47:55 | bughunter2 | I'd suppose you could at least charge it? |
| 17:48:12 | gevaerts | charging has nothing at all to do with usb |
| 17:48:25 | bughunter2 | exactly |
| 17:48:45 | gevaerts | in practice it means that it reboots to the OF on USB connect |
| 17:48:54 | bughunter2 | ah |
| 17:49:30 | bughunter2 | so, no file transfer |
| 17:49:38 | bughunter2 | then, how to test if playback works? :) |
| 17:49:55 | bughunter2 | I'm thinking about buying a Sansa AMS and help development |
| 17:50:30 | gevaerts | not "no file transfer". "reboot to the OF for file transfer" |
| 17:50:57 | bughunter2 | oh that way of course, so after that you can still boot RB |
| 17:51:17 | bughunter2 | makes sense |
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| 17:53:59 | Rand_Althor | Will RB build faster in Ubuntu with a dual core processor (instead of a single core)? |
| 17:54:19 | bughunter2 | if you run make -j2, sure |
| 17:54:55 | Rand_Althor | Thanks you. I assume that if I had 4 cores it would be -j4? |
| 17:55:26 | bughunter2 | there are benchmarks floating around which you could check out to see what the best option would be |
| 17:55:35 | bughunter2 | basically, try it and see :) |
| 17:55:49 | Rand_Althor | TY |
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| 18:03:50 | bertrik | kugel, ok ,I think I understand, adding an ACTION_NONE for a specific button prevents a "fall-through" to the standard context, right? |
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| 18:43:23 | kugel | bertrik: yes |
| 18:43:42 | bertrik | ok, I'll cook up another patch and add it to the task |
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| 18:51:50 | bertrik | I can probably enable charging for the c200v2s |
| 18:53:53 | bughunter2 | is there any news on the recovery method for the sansa clip/fuze? |
| 18:54:20 | bughunter2 | haven't found much on it on the forums/wiki, at least no easy/reliable method |
| 18:55:03 | domonoky | bughunter2: there is no recovery method if the bootloader install goes wrong. but its also very unlikely to break. |
| 18:55:44 | bughunter2 | domonoky: okay, so I could help by buying e.g. a Fuze and have some fun developing? :) |
| 18:56:15 | bughunter2 | I'd like to help development, and have a sensible player on which I can test stuff |
| 18:56:30 | bughunter2 | I like the sansa's for their replaceable memory cards |
| 18:56:32 | domonoky | bughunter2: sure, it already runs pretty well on fuze (v1). see the testbuild forum. |
| 18:56:57 | bughunter2 | aye, but where to get a fuze v1... |
| 18:57:13 | bughunter2 | I would think that the things sold in shops now is all v2 |
| 18:58:56 | bughunter2 | s/is/are |
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| 19:00:55 | bughunter2 | domonoky: any idea on fuze v2? The status page lists it isn't in SVN yet, but is there someone with the code for fuze v2 that I could test? |
| 19:01:35 | domonoky | i dont know. |
| 19:01:40 | bughunter2 | k |
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| 19:34:53 | PaulJam | kugel: just a wild guess, but could FS #9842 have the same cause as FS #10588 ? |
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| 19:59:25 | kugel | PaulJam: very possible, same symptoms |
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| 20:07:40 | kugel | PaulJam: indeed, applying the same fix works |
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| 20:07:54 | PaulJam | nice |
| 20:10:48 | CIA-43 | New commit by kugel (r22633): Fix FS #9842 by stopping scrolling before leaving the yesno screen. ... |
| 20:10:59 | kugel | PaulJam: nice find! |
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| 20:16:31 | saratoga | kugel: are there install directions for the YH players anywhere on the wiki? |
| 20:16:42 | kugel | I don't think so |
| 20:17:17 | saratoga | ok |
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| 20:20:32 | bughunter2 | Just ordered a sansa e260, presumably it's a v2. If so, I'm going to test the e200v2 :) |
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| 20:21:37 | bughunter2 | (the test build that is) |
| 20:24:28 | saratoga | Bagder: email sent about the new supported status system |
| 20:24:56 | saratoga | imo the best way to make this happen is for you to update the front page with the AMS targets and then post ont he mailing list asking what else needs to be changed |
| 20:25:27 | saratoga | that will probably be the D2, YH, and Beast once the wiki pages are cleaned up |
| 20:26:18 | soap | One thing I didn't see discussed in the mailing list thread was risk. |
| 20:26:47 | soap | Any of those targets have a potential risk of damage to the hardware through (mis) use? |
| 20:27:14 | saratoga | i just assumed that who ever was developing a port would keep that in mind when suggesting unstable status |
| 20:27:31 | soap | (ie battery charging issues / data corruption to the point extraordinary measures are needed to rectify / etc.) |
| 20:27:44 | saratoga | we've generally be extremely cautious about that anyway when proposing test builds and i don't think that will change in the new system |
| 20:27:56 | gevaerts | Exactly. I'm not 100% sure that we discussed this in Gent, but I think we did. If the porters are confident, it's fine |
| 20:28:39 | saratoga | i think risk is probably less in this system since it discourages third parties from distributing bootloaders and builds in favor of ones we've actually tested |
| 20:28:51 | soap | my fear, possibly baseless, is that a "marginal" port with potential risks will get youtubed and ... |
| 20:29:27 | saratoga | well sooner or later it'd happen anyway, better that it happens here where we can pull the download link quickly |
| 20:30:35 | soap | I believe I agree with your conclusion that the risk is likely less in this proposed system, because you bring in "in house" - but you also run the risk of "legitimizing" it. All that said - your point about relying on the porter to make the decision, and trusting in them to not encourage undo risk is likely all the answer I needed to my question. |
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| 20:34:37 | saratoga | do people mind allowing rbutil to install unstable ports? |
| 20:38:12 | bluebrother | well, we currently have support for unstable ports in it. I was thinking about adding some unstable indication icon somewhere, but apart from that (and IMO we should really indicate that it's an unstable port the user is going to install) I'm fine with adding support. |
| 20:40:06 | kugel | saratoga: I'll write up installation instructions |
| 20:40:31 | kugel | for the YH* |
| 20:40:51 | saratoga | great |
| 20:41:20 | saratoga | bluebrother: maybe a pop up warning saying its unstable and to read the wiki for port status? |
| 20:41:52 | bluebrother | saratoga: maybe something like this. Haven't made up my mind what I consider best :) |
| 20:42:42 | saratoga | ok so long as being unsupported doesn't discourage people from adding rbutil support for a port |
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| 20:48:30 | * | domonoky has a buildclient/server which currently builds rbutil :-) |
| 20:49:56 | domonoky | unfortunatly my test-setup is still unable to upload the log, so it aborts after a build :-/ |
| 20:52:51 | CIA-43 | New commit by kugel (r22634): Put the quickscreen viewports onto the stack (saving a tiny bit of ram), and simplify the preparing and drawing functions a bit. |
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| 20:57:06 | CIA-43 | New commit by bertrik (r22635): Sansa c200v2: update DBOP button reading mechanism, this enables readout of the volume buttons, rec and hold button. |
| 20:57:09 | AlexP | soap: Interesting post in the forums, GodEater and I were discussing just that yesterday :) Anyway, I replied there with my thoughts |
| 20:59:06 | saratoga | i don't mind having unstable ports mixed in with the others |
| 20:59:17 | saratoga | on the forums |
| 20:59:26 | saratoga | but i don't think it makes a huge difference either |
| 20:59:29 | AlexP | saratoga: Yes, I agree on balance |
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| 21:00:09 | kugel | bertrik: didn't you want to write something to the dev mail w.r.t. to where to have the dbop stuff? |
| 21:00:40 | bertrik | yeah, maybe later this week |
| 21:00:49 | kugel | now the AMS targets have reading dbop in at different places... |
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| 21:04:07 | soap | AlexP, it was a poorly worded brain-dump if anything. ;) I just wanted to start getting some feedback on it. Anything, IMHO, to get interested parties to move their support work on these targets "into the fold" from the scattered corners of the internet where they are now. |
| 21:04:28 | AlexP | soap: i COMPLETELY AGREE |
| 21:04:30 | CIA-43 | New commit by kugel (r22636): Don't forget the touchscreen targets! |
| 21:04:33 | AlexP | er, sorry |
| 21:07:03 | soap | I mentioned wiki contributers specifically, because I'm thinking wiki updates will be of even higher importance with these targets than the current crop. As much as I would like to see "dedicated" users reading the full New Ports threads, I don't think that will actually happen and it would be nice to have all the relevant info reliably in the wiki. But keeping the wiki current canon is a lot of work. |
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| 21:12:52 | AlexP | soap: Yep, I think if we are going to use the bagde as a sort of "general good egg" reward without the far reaching forum powers the current experts have, then we can use them to recognise people that contribute in other ways too, e.g. the wiki |
| 21:13:18 | soap | "general good egg" and "listen to this poster". |
| 21:14:02 | AlexP | yep |
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| 21:21:12 | webguest73 | on Ubuntu. I just rand rockboxdev.sh. How do I "make my path include :/usr/local/arm-elf/bin"? |
| 21:21:25 | webguest73 | *rand = ran |
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| 21:22:35 | soap | easiest way, imho, is to edit .bashrc |
| 21:22:42 | saratoga | http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/LinuxSimpleGuideToCompiling#Getting_Started |
| 21:23:18 | saratoga | follow those directions, they're written for ubuntu |
| 21:23:31 | webguest73 | thank you |
| 21:24:07 | saratoga | which directions where you using |
| 21:25:47 | saratoga | the HowToCompile wiki page is probably unneeded now that we have SimpleGuideToCompiling and LinuxSimpleGuideToCompiling |
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| 21:32:39 | webguest73 | am I still connected? |
| 21:33:03 | webguest73 | when I try to make −−- /bin/sh: arm-elf-gcc: not found |
| 21:33:49 | webguest73 | ubuntu 9.04 |
| 21:34:53 | goffa | did you run rockboxdev.sh in the tools dir? |
| 21:35:44 | webguest73 | not in the tools dir. |
| 21:36:17 | goffa | i think that's where it is anyway |
| 21:36:25 | webguest73 | i had an old copy. oops. i'll try that |
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| 21:44:49 | AlexP | webguest73: If you just added it .bashrc then you need to close the terminal and open a new one |
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| 21:46:58 | webguest73 | I did. |
| 21:47:44 | AlexP | Either way, google would be handy for you here - this is basic linux usage, nothing rockbox specific |
| 21:52:32 | webguest73 | I don't know if it was the old rockboxdev, or not being in the tools dir when I ran it, but I'm good now. Just built RB. Thanks guys. |
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| 22:50:46 | cfp | kkurbjun: Any updates on FS #10561? |
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| 23:12:31 | Kinetix | Sooo |
| 23:12:38 | Kinetix | Rockbox for the view? =/ |
| 23:13:02 | krazykit | do you see it on the front page? |
| 23:13:38 | Kinetix | i know it isn't released |
| 23:13:46 | Kinetix | i'm just wondering if any progress is being made on developing it |
| 23:14:10 | krazykit | any progress would be on the relevant wiki page or development thread. |
| 23:15:19 | Kinetix | neither of which have been updated for a month or two |
| 23:15:20 | Kinetix | oh well |
| 23:18:23 | saratoga | if it hasn't been updated then theres probably nothing to say about it, unless someone is working in secret somewhere |
| 23:19:09 | Kinetix | i'll just buy the Cowon S9, then |
| 23:19:21 | Kinetix | sandisk really screwed the view up =/ |
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