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#rockbox log for 2009-09-05

00:00:02bluebrotherAlexP: I usually can on my daily-use target regardless of any backlight :)
00:00:10bluebrotherplus, I'm never blind on that one ...
00:00:15AlexPbobrules: To reset all settings, check the manual for your player, or connect it to a computer and edit the config file in a text editor
00:00:18domonoky1bobrules: install a voice file :-)
00:00:21*bluebrother giesses that bobrules refers to some color LCD target
00:00:37domonoky1bobrules: better edit config.cfg with your pc.
00:00:39CIA-43New commit by alle (r22625): Fix typos in the comment
00:00:45bluebrotherAlexP: now tell him how to reset the settings! Without knowing which player he has.
00:00:47bobrulesyeah,when my backlight is off, the screen is empty
00:01:07*bluebrother wonders who took the contents of the screen away
00:01:10AlexPbluebrother: I'm going to guess an ipod, so hold just after booting I think :)
00:01:18bobruleswhat if I just backup my cfg file, and delete it
00:01:21bobruleswill that work?
00:01:24bobrulesthen I restore it
00:01:30bluebrotherAlexP: why not an e200? Those are rather popular as well
00:01:39bobrulesI have e200
00:01:41AlexPbluebrother: yep, it was just a guess
00:01:46AlexPbluebrother: That I lost :)
00:01:49domonoky1deleting will also work. but you can also just edit it with a text editor and enable backlight again.
00:01:51LloreanIf deleting the .cfg fixes your problem, restoring it will bring the problem right back.
00:02:08bobruleswhat's the back light setting called
00:02:15bluebrotherbobrules: starting with the facts is usually helpful, instead of waiting for people to guess around long enough to hit them ...
00:02:25AlexPbobrules: Have a look at the file, it is pretty obvious
00:02:47bobrulesoh ok thanks
00:02:49bluebrotherit's called "stupid_setting_pretty_much_hidden" ;-)
00:02:52*bluebrother ducks and runs
00:03:10bobrulesthanks everyone
00:03:36bobrulesbtw rockbox rules for e200
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00:03:48bobrulesit's much better than original firmware
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00:04:01AlexPindeed it is
00:05:44bobrulesbtw will there ever be a lrc reader
00:06:07AlexPIf someone codes one, sure
00:06:15AlexPThat meets requirements
00:06:20bobrulesit's basically a txtfile with a timestamp
00:06:30AlexPSo go ahead and add support for it :)
00:06:30bluebrotherwho needs that anyway?
00:06:43bobrulesI can use it as a lyric reader
00:06:54rasherIsn't there one in the tracker?
00:06:58domonoky1bobrules: there is a patch for it in the tracker.. dont know the status of it.
00:06:58AlexPrasher: yes
00:07:08bluebrotherwell, if it's intended as a lyrics reader you can use it as a lyrics reader. But who needs that?
00:07:09bobrulesit's probably dead
00:07:10rasherFS #10559
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00:07:34AlexPI thought it was older than that, maybe that is a newer effort
00:07:36bobrulesI usually like to look at lyrics, so I can sing along
00:07:45domonoky1last update 3 days ago. that doesnt look dead :-)
00:07:49bluebrotherAlexP: there was an older feature request for that IIRC.
00:07:52*GodEater is glad he doesn't get the bus with bobrules
00:07:52bobrulesoh they updated it
00:07:55rasherAlexP: that would be sncviewer
00:08:04AlexPrasher: ah yes, that's it
00:08:05 Quit ender` (" The propeller is just a big fan in front of the plane used to keep the pilot cool. When it stops, you can actually watch th")
00:08:06rasherFS #7432
00:08:07*bluebrother is with GodEater :)
00:08:28bobrulesomg thanks so much
00:08:28gevaertsHas anyone ever though about writing a lrc to wps converter? It should be a fairly trivial thing to do with progress bar conditionals :)
00:08:45Tornegevaerts: hehe
00:08:47rashergevaerts: o_O
00:08:49bobruleshow to i use .patch file
00:08:51GodEatergevaerts: you're mental
00:08:57bluebrotherbobrules: you read the wiki ...
00:09:07bobrulesI'll go right now
00:09:27bobrulesomg this is the most helpful channel on irc
00:09:52GodEaterthat makes a change from "you guyz sux0r" :)
00:10:41gevaertsbobrules: don't tell anyone I talked about this here, but maybe have a look at the "Unsupported builds" section on the forums. The lrc patch sounds like something a lot of those would include
00:11:11AlexPbobrules: You need to set up a build environment so that you can compile Rockbox from the source code. Then you apply that patch, which is a source code patch. Then you compile Rockbox
00:11:11bobrulesno I like orginal build
00:11:17bobrulesOh my god that sounds so complicated
00:11:22bobrulesyou mean I cant just install it
00:11:32AlexPNo, it is a source code patch
00:12:02AlexPThe other option is that which gevaerts suggested
00:12:14*domonoky1 tells everyone that gevaerts told bobrules to go look in the unsuported forum section :-)
00:12:19bluebrotheryou can't install a binary patch either. We refer to source patches only, though
00:12:21GodEatergevaerts did what now ?
00:12:25AlexPWhere somebody has already done that (maybe)
00:12:35AlexPGodEater: He blashphemed
00:12:52*GodEater demands justice
00:12:57GodEaterand chocolatge
00:13:08*scorche|sh gets out the pitchforks and torches
00:13:12*gevaerts hides
00:13:13scorche|shdid someone say justice?
00:13:15GodEateryay, smores!
00:13:20*domonoky1 opens beer :-)
00:13:30bobrulesIm afraid switching to other builds might brick my player
00:13:37AlexPThey won't
00:13:45AlexPNot from there anyway
00:13:50GodEaterAlexP: going to guarantee that ? :)
00:13:53gevaertsthe e200 is pretty hard to brick
00:13:54AlexPGodEater: Nope
00:14:02bluebrotherOpening beer? With a pitchfork?
00:14:03AlexPGodEater: Not on your nelly
00:14:17bobrulesoh and where is the unsupported forum?
00:14:19domonoky1the only thing is, that when you swith we wont help you anymore :-)
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00:14:42gevaertsbobrules: it's a section on
00:14:46GodEaterbobrules: you know where our forums are right ?
00:14:46AlexPbobrules: You should be pretty safe with those, but if you are using an unsupported build, then you don't get help here or iin the forums (outside of that thread) anymore
00:15:04*bluebrother points out that we have neither forums nor wiki but only make this noise for fun.
00:15:07bobruleswhat if it's very generic
00:15:21bluebrotherto fool "users" of course.
00:15:31rasherbobrules: Then you install the proper build, and recreate the problem, and only then do you ask for help here.
00:16:07GodEaterbluebrother: remember that guy that came on the forums last year who couldn't get Rockbox on his Archos? And thought the whole thing was one huge elaborate hoax?
00:16:19AlexPbobrules: These unsupported builds often have very large numbers of changes, so we want to make sure that any problem is in "real" Rockbox and not due to a random change someone has made
00:16:30rasherbobrules: It's a pretty reasonable policy if you ask me. That way we're sure the problem/issue is really with the proper Rockbox code, and not whatever the unsupported build has added.
00:16:41bobrulesoh ok
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00:17:36bluebrotherGodEater: remember my GoldenQuote in that thread? IIRC that was that thread :)
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00:18:26bobrulesI'll just wait for an official release of lrc reader
00:18:40bobrulesdo you guys implement patches on a regular basis
00:18:53AlexPyes and no
00:19:15AlexPIt depends on a) someone taking an interest b) The patch being done properly
00:19:26GodEater"we" don't implement them, the authors do. "we" just commit them into the main rockbox code when we're happy they're no longer crap :)
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00:19:49*GodEater caveats that he personally commits nothing, ever.
00:20:33GodEaterdespite Bagder apparently suffering from the delusion that I'm on the commiters mailing list :)
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00:21:17bobrulesdo you guys use lrc
00:21:18Bagderdelusions is what I do best!
00:21:40GodEaterbobrules: not I
00:22:05AlexPbobrules: nope
00:22:15*domonoky1 thinks a lrc player might be a nice candidat for a future "in-wps" plugins. ie plugins who draw into a viewport of a wps :-)
00:23:00bobrulesI need one so I can impress girls on the fly
00:23:16bobrulesI can only memorize a little bit of each song
00:23:25GodEateryou impress girls bu singing along to your mp3 player in front of them ?
00:23:27bluebrotherwe don't do Rockbox to impress girls ...
00:23:30GodEaterwow - they must be easily impressed
00:23:35rasherbluebrother: We don't?!
00:23:37domonoky1bobrules: then starte coding and improve it :-)
00:23:47gevaertsbluebrother: so why do we do it?
00:23:50GodEaterbluebrother: yeah, speak for yourself
00:23:50bobrulesI can't, I only know turing
00:24:00GodEaterhe's dead
00:24:02AlexP?me gently nudges us back on topic
00:24:04GodEateryou can't know him that well
00:24:05bluebrothergevaerts: because of no girls around?
00:24:07AlexP* /me
00:24:15GodEaterAlexP: give it up
00:26:40GodEaternice one AlexP
00:26:44GodEateryou killed the conversation
00:27:36bobrulesNo i'm pretty sure girls like music player firmware coders
00:27:57*Torne is reverse engineering the beast rom to impress boys? :)
00:28:21GodEaterRockbox is an equal opportunties project!
00:28:29GodEaterwe encourage diversity
00:28:32GodEatereven furries
00:29:04*bluebrother wonders if there are any girls that would be impressed by a reverse engineered beast rom
00:29:31GodEaterdo you wonder if they'd be impressed enough to sleep with you? Or just generally impressed ?
00:29:57*gevaerts proposes to return to the topic
00:30:06*bluebrother wonders if this is the correct channel
00:30:12*GodEater thought this was the topic
00:36:02bobrulesyou know for the txt reader, I can't seem to scroll line by line, horizontally
00:36:56domonoky1is it save to draw in rockbox from two different threads, or is drawing from something else then the main-thread not allowed ?
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00:43:49*domonoky1 thinks that having our demos (visualisation) or something like the lrc-viewer displayed in a wps viewport would be really nice. But if we can/should only draw from one thread, it would require some specialised plugins, where the wps calls some draw function.. sounds complicated :-/
00:46:15Hillshumthat would be really cool
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00:56:56domonoky1may be we could export a function pointer from a tsr plugin via the id3-struct ? :-) then a potential plugin wps tag could just call the draw pointer if present and plugin loaded.
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02:36:03jedahanI just upgraded my hard drive to 120gb, but cfdisk is showing it as only 60gb. iPod 5g (originally 60gb). Is is possible that the iPod firmware is doing this? Is there a workaround?
02:41:00LloreanThere's been no reported case of it doing that to someone else, as far as I know.
02:43:11jedahanhmm, gonna reboot, try inspecting it some other way, then complain to the guy I bought it from
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02:46:57CIA-43New commit by lowlight (r22626): Fix display bug in the Samsung YH-920 on partial lcd updates.
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02:50:21webguest55rockbox does work on ipod nano 2g
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02:53:03scorche|shthanks for the info!
02:57:50JdGordonwait a seccy!!!
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03:16:43jedahanwrong drive :-p, but now the right drive is showing up as 2.2tb...even though I know its not
03:16:45jedahanthe connector must be bad :9
03:17:01TechGuydoes anyone know anything about the pp5024
03:17:31TechGuylike where i can get the development
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03:18:38rasherTechGuy: You can't.
03:20:02TechGuywhy not?
03:20:31rasherBecause they don't want you to have it.
03:20:49rasherAnd when I say "you", I mean it in the most general way possible.
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04:01:41TechGuywhy cant i get the development kit for the PP5024
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04:02:04rasherTechGuy: Because you are not a customer.
04:02:36TechGuyso im stuck using the documentation provided by Rockbox
04:02:43rasherTechGuy: Because you are not a customer.
04:02:55rasherOr whatever else you can find
04:03:41TechGuyis there a way i can keep rockbox from boosting the cpu speed?
04:04:09rasherShould be rather simple
04:04:14rasherWhy would you want to?
04:04:27TechGuywell i wanna see how doom runs at the 30mhz clock
04:04:30TechGuyinstead of boosted
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04:05:40rasherTechGuy: Comment out line 666, 690 and 752 of apps/plugins/doom/rockdoom.c
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04:06:15TechGuyrasher i dont have the tools to compile the code
04:06:18rasherThis won't stop rockbox as a whole from boosting. Just Doom.
04:06:42rasherI see. I guess you're stuck then.
04:12:20scorche|shit is rather easy to get said tools..
04:12:55n17ikhline 666, heh
04:13:14n17ikhdidn't multiplayer doom use udp port 666?
04:13:54n17ikh...hmm. What kind of things are possible with the devices rockbox presents itself as on the USB bus?
04:14:30n17ikhcould it be possible to have it emulate some sort of line-in on a USB soundcard (or some device class that does the same thing) for devices with a built-in FM radio?
04:14:44n17ikhso as to listen to FM radio through the PC it's plugged into?
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04:15:24n17ikhor is such an idea likely to use too much CPU power?
04:17:36TechGuyn17ikh i like the idea but i dont know if its possible
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04:19:05n17ikhyeah, especially not while doing mass storage too
04:19:11n17ikhwhich is where it would be interesting
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04:30:40TechGuywell n17ikh are you good at C
04:30:56n17ikhnot spectacularly
04:31:04TechGuysame here
04:31:16TechGuyi never learned syslevel coding
04:31:20iCubi know someone who is fluent in C.
04:31:38*scorche|sh thinks this is getting a bit offtopic
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05:13:35brn2dthit is possible use the mpeg plugin on a philips sa9200 or is not ready yet???
05:15:03brn2dthsorry first of all.... Hello people...
05:15:07brn2dthits possible???
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05:35:38advcomp2019brn2dth, just wait for someone that can help
05:40:33TechGuybrn2dth i will check :P
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05:43:53TechGuyit does not appear it works
05:44:55TechGuyit does not work
05:45:49brn2dthneed more work in the code or the codec? because the sound work's fine.... :)
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05:46:24TechGuysorry im not a developer all i could do was use the simulator
05:48:35rasherThat doesn't help any.
05:49:53brn2dththanks TechG... i keep trying...
05:50:08CIA-43New commit by kugel (r22627): Make the Fuze usable again by inserting a few delays in the lcd functions, core rockbox should be fine now. NOTE: *After exiting* plugins (e.g. doom, ...
05:50:14CIA-43New commit by kugel (r22628): Increase the button delays slightly to aid against sporadic missreads of the hold button an sporadic blue pixels on the display.
05:52:48than0anyone working on AMS sansas?
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05:58:31bertrikthan0, I do
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05:59:56than0bertrik, oh.. great.
06:00:22than0I am using C200v2 with only one patch and disabled album view, and it works pretty well..
06:02:41bertrikthan0, I just borrowed a c200v2, playback seemed very unstable so far, which patch are you using?
06:02:42than0The patch was suggested by Freqmod (FS #9332 from Nicolas Pennequi) after changing "strncpy" to "strlcpy".. AND disabling album art per instruction.
06:03:18than0Before the patch, the playback would work for a few seconds until the buffer fills up.. so low bitrate mp3 would play a longer than higher bitrate mp3.. while flac won't play at all.
06:03:38than0After the patch, flac and high bitrate mp3s have played without a single crash.
06:04:01than0Previously, without the patch, you need to restart C200v2 to bring back audio, but interface remained stable.
06:04:22than0You can get the patch from here:
06:05:10than0You need to change one line (strncpy to strlcpy) to compile.. and also disable album art support.. instructions are on the patch page.
06:05:26Hillshumbertrik: you own a clip too right? How would you compare playback of the two?
06:06:01bertrikHillshum, I just received the c200v2 less than 12 hours ago, I haven't really been able to compare it
06:06:42than0Hillshum, no clip.. just C200v2, E200v1.. but I might get Clip+ (the new clip with microsd slot and folder browsing)..
06:07:23than0bertrik, well.. if you apply the patch with one line change, disable album art.. the music playback will work flawless.. including pretty much everything.
06:07:32than0some plugins will crash though
06:08:36than0Ah another thing I noticed... the using the bookmarking on microSD cards might either crash or corrupt microsd cards... but copy/paste directly from microSD to internal memory/vice versa seems pretty stable.
06:09:03than0The volume buttons don't work, but I heard that someone's working on the patch...
06:09:09bertrikthan0, why is the strncpy to strlcpy change needed? does it just make things compile? or does it also help with stability?
06:09:39bertrikthan0, yes, I am working on the volume buttons, should get added this weekend
06:09:55than0bertrik, just to make it compile.
06:10:35than0I think since 3.2 or 3.3.. not sure.. developers started using strlcpy instead for stability reasons..
06:10:40bertrikOK, I might resync that patch with that change this weekend too
06:11:25than0just realize, I have very limited programming skills.. MSBASIC :D
06:13:02than0I guess this patch should be able to fix issues with ClipV1..
06:16:59bertrikyes maybe this could be the fix for the clip/c200v2 playback issues, but it just nags me that we don't really understand what the problem with the current situation is.
06:18:04than0well.. my guess.
06:18:34than0from the fact that.. at least on C200V2, the sound would work for few seconds (and longer on lower bitrate mp3s).. seem to indicate it might be a buffering issue
06:18:46than0once those buffer gets filled up, it crashes the sound...
06:19:32than0the patch (according to author) allows mp3 to play directly from internal memory/microSD... I am not sure... but I guess less caching ?
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06:20:41than0freqmod first suggested the patch on the forum, but he seems seldom online/active :(
06:20:57than0freqmod is here, but not active right now
06:27:17than0bbl..gotta play some game..
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07:35:02brn2dthi've working on the mpegplayer for the sa9200 and in the simulator works... but i cant make it...
07:35:05brn2dthany idea???
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07:37:15TechGuybrn2dth i couldnt get it working in the simulator
07:39:46brn2dthi just patch the plugins... and convert the video to iAudio X5 with WinFF and Works!... on the simulator...
07:40:34brn2dthmake the firmware for the DAP and make a full new install but... still not working... :(
07:41:56brn2dthi use the patch for the keymaps...
07:43:45brn2dthill keep trying... ;)
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11:05:33n1sso, when do we freeze for the next release?
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11:17:35n1siirc we usually release on the 23rd and freeze two(?) weeks before that, so the 9th?
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11:19:57bluefoxxAnybody in here know something about the Iriver H10?
11:20:22bluefoxxI have one here with a toasted disk that I want to replace with a compact flash card and turn into a rockboxx'd player...
11:20:39bluefoxxAnd nobody elsewhere seems to know anything about them.
11:21:06bluefoxxSo far I know that they bastardized the nice and standard CF connector with an annoying ribbon cable, and thats it...
11:22:44n1sit's not a basterdized cf connector, it's a zif connector of some standard apparently
11:22:47bluefoxxn1s: Cool
11:22:51bluefoxxAnnoying though
11:23:06bluefoxx'cause I can get like a 4Gb CF card from work for like, nothing.
11:23:16bluefoxxI got the iriver from there. was about to be scrapped.
11:23:29n1sthe regular cf interface is the best feature of the ipod minis by far :)
11:23:29bluefoxxand I saw it and went "Oh hey, I can fix that"
11:23:43bluefoxxAlso got back one of my old sansa's that the screen went wonkey on
11:23:56bluefoxxthink i'll rockbox it again and turn on voice menues
11:24:18bluefoxxI'm suddenly swimming in surplus audoi storage and playback toys...
11:26:15n1ssorry, it's apparently a zif connector on the big h10 and "F-FLEX" on the small
11:27:14bluefoxxbig as in capacaty or physical size?
11:27:40bluefoxxbecause my e200 is tiny in size but holds 24Gb of music, which is huge.
11:28:27n1sboth, the big h10 is 20GB and the small is 5/6BG
11:28:35bluefoxxthis is a 6 gig
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11:31:57sinthetekdoes anyone know if there is a way to make rockbox itself reformat a sd card?
11:32:01bluefoxxIs there some kind of adaptor for this, similar to what a 2.5" drive in a laptop frequently uses?
11:32:17bluefoxxsinthetek: microsd card in a sansa?
11:32:27bluefoxxplug it into your pc
11:32:32bluefoxxit shows up as a cardreader
11:32:42bluefoxxand than use the tool of your choice
11:32:49bluefoxxworks great for me at least
11:32:49sinthetekit's not doing that, that's why i wanna reformat it :\
11:32:57sinthetekwell, it creates a device for it
11:33:08sinthetekbut i cannot seem to get it to function right
11:33:08bluefoxxwindows or linux?
11:33:21bluefoxxyour on your own than
11:33:30bluefoxxi haven't touched that in a year and a half and a bit
11:33:34sinthetekit was showing up as sdg1 but now it's showing as sdg
11:33:44bluefoxxdownload gparted
11:33:50sinthetekwhen i try to orun mkfs.vfat it says 'no medium found' now
11:34:00sinthetekahh it needs a new partition table?
11:34:12bluefoxxyou formated the entire device, iirc
11:34:17bluefoxxinstead of partitioning it
11:34:32bluefoxx'i accidentally the partition'
11:35:23sintheteki cannot dd it either
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11:35:39sinthetekwhich is how i broke it to begin with
11:36:05n1ssinthetek: rockbox can not format the card
11:36:22sintheteki was trying to use it to install ubuntu netbook remix (the only usb-device i have big enough to do it)
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11:37:20sintheteki did the dd command to copy the install image to the microsd card and it was working but i cancelled it before it finished
11:37:50n1sso no device is created for it?
11:37:55bluefoxx is what i want correct?
11:38:04bluefoxxthe PDFs they link 404
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11:38:16sinthetekn1s some sort of device file is created but i cannot do anything with it
11:38:56n1ssinthetek: fdisk can't partition it?
11:38:58sintheteklrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 9 2009-09-05 05:30 /dev/disk/by-id/usb-Rockbox_SD_Card_Slot_9000000000000000087B3243204E20664-0:1 -> ../../sdg
11:39:15sinthetekdd: opening `/dev/sdg': No medium found
11:39:23sinthetekwhen i tried to run cfdisk on it
11:39:49sinthetekit said fatal error cannot open disk drive
11:39:52n1smaybe the cardslot is damaged or the connector dirty?
11:40:25sintheteki haven't done anything to it since it was working a few min ago...
11:40:34sintheteki'll try cleaning it out or something
11:40:39bluefoxxThan why format it?
11:40:47bluefoxxIf it works, don't fix it.
11:41:15bluefoxxI learned that the hard way when dicking around wiht linux and my first mp3 player a couple years back.
11:41:19sintheteki can still mount the main rockbox files/storage, just not the microsd
11:41:38bluefoxxgo make friends with a windows user
11:41:46sinthetekbluefoxx: it isn't working. i cannot mount the microsd or dd-to it to accomplish my original task
11:42:35sintheteksince i can't mount it i cannot even restore the music that was on there before i tried to use it as an install medium
11:43:12sinthetekcurrently it's just a 4gb sdcard with half of an ubuntu netbook remix install image
11:43:15sinthetekon it*
11:43:35sinthetekthat i cannot access externally*
11:44:20Galoiswhat do you mean you cancelled it. You pulled the plug?
11:45:16sinthetekGalois i rebooted
11:45:23Galoishard or soft
11:45:56sintheteksoft but i dunno if it was able to properly stop the dd that was in progress
11:46:23sintheteki tried to cancel it with ^c but it wasn't working so after a few min i just rebooted anyway
11:46:32n1seven if it was stopped the fs on the card is probably broken so don't expect to be able to mount it
11:47:00sinthetekn1s i didn't expect to mount it but it seems rockbox is able to mount it
11:47:31sintheteki can see the files from the installer image from inside rockbox
11:48:03sinthetekbut plugging it in doesn't create a device for the microsd card that i can do anything with (dd, cfdisk, mount, etc)
11:48:24n1sis the card sdhc or regular sd?
11:50:23n1sok, so the OF is no help then, it does sound more like a linux problem than a rockbox problem though...
11:50:57sinthetekyeah :\
11:51:47sinthetekdunno if it means anything but after i plug it into usb, it seems the <microSD> dir disappears until i reboot the device
11:51:51sinthetekdoes that tell you anything?
11:54:02bluefoxxturn the player on, pull the card, reboot the player and plug the card in, try a format
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12:09:48sinthetekok, it just occurred to me that this netbook still has xp on it
12:10:03sinthetekso i tried to connect and it seems to be doing the same thing pretty much as linux
12:10:34sinthetekwhen i try to format it it says to insert a disk into that drive
12:11:02sinthetekformat/open it*
12:15:09n1show about windows fdisk, or diskmanager or whatever they call it nowadays
12:16:04n1si wouldn't expect windows to format media with a broken partition table any more than linux
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12:17:59sintheteki dunno how to run it if i don't know what it's called :P
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12:23:41GodEatersinthetek: right click "My Computer" and choose "Manage"
12:24:05GodEaterin the window that opens expand the tree on the left until you find "Disk Administrator" or similar
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12:40:03sinthetektthanks GodEater but still don't see a way to format it or anything :\
12:40:47n1ssinthetek: you likely need to partition it first
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12:48:57sinthetekn1s i figured as much, i don't see any way to do so
12:49:22n1sdoes it not show up in the disk manager thingy?
12:49:34sinthetekthe top half of the screen doesn't list the microsd drive. the bottom half lists it but doesn't indicate that there is any 'space'
12:49:52sinthetekright-clicking only lists properties and the 'change drive letter' option
12:51:22n1sis this still through the sansa card slot?
12:52:31n1smaybe trying through a different card reader would help
12:52:58n1sbut realy i don't think this has much todo with rockbox so this is not really the best place to get help
12:53:48sinthetekthat's the only microsd slot i have :\
12:54:05sinthetekyou guys are a lot better than the people in #linux :P
12:55:02sintheteki don't think it is necessarily a rockbox problem either. i initially just came to ask if there was a way to do something directly with rockbox
12:55:35sinthetekthanks for trying to help though
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13:20:32PaulJamkugel: another issue with the custom SB v2 patch: it seems that alternating sublines are not working anymore, only the first subline is shown.
13:23:29kugelI didn't have that problem, just that the lines are changing very quickly
13:32:44n1skugel: it seems r22610 caused fs#10588
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13:53:40funm4nbertrik: the radio worked fine when I tested it on c200v2
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13:56:41bertrikoh weird, I get nothing but noise from it in rockbox (it works in the OF)
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13:57:07bertrikthe fm tuner chip seems to be a slightly older revision as the one in my clip
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14:00:43funm4nbertrik perhaps look at the changes to the tuner chip after I enabled c200v2
14:01:11funm4nthere could have been a change breaking the older chip revision in the c200v2
14:01:50bertrikat devcon euro 2009 I made a change that fixed e200v2 radio (and still worked with the clip) maybe this broke c200v2 radio ...
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14:04:04funm4nI dont remember if i had tested it
14:04:35funm4nwhat was the change needed to read the other buttons on dbop ?
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14:05:01CreposucreAny radio guru around?
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14:06:27funm4nCreposucre just ask what you need (there is bertrik not too far)
14:07:07bertrikfunm4n, the write of the red pixel to the LCD only uses 8 bits of the DBOP data pins (it's only 8 bits wide toward the LCD), but the other buttons were on the high part of the DBOP data bus. I'm now explicilty programming DBOP to write to 8 high bits too and it now longer does the LCD red pixel thing
14:07:57Creposucrejust wondered how to do with the HAVE_TUNER_MULTI in tuner.c (I added again the RDS stuff in FS494 for test purposes)
14:08:32CreposucreI doubt what I did is clean
14:08:48bertrikI don't know, I think it was required for some specific target with two tuner chips, but I'm not sure
14:08:59funm4nbertrik did you apply these changes to the bootloader to see if it makes the lcd stay always on ?
14:09:10bertrikfunm4n, no not yet
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14:11:36Creposucrebertrik: it looks that is what you say, but I don't know any target which owe two
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14:13:12bertrikMaybe it was added "just in case". If it complicates other things, I'm in favour of removing this multi tuner mechanism until really needed.
14:14:01CreposucreI'm ok with that, for my concern
14:15:09Creposucrehow can decide or validate that?
14:17:01bertrikthe rockbox decision making process can be a bit fuzzy
14:18:57gevaertsCONFIG_TUNER_MULTI is used by the ondio fm
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14:20:12bertrikah yes I vaguely remember one of the targets could have different radio chips depending on hardware revision or something like that, so we need to support both
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14:21:08bertrikso we can't remove the mechanism
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14:27:44gevaertsis there an actual problem with CONFIG_TUNER_MULTI?
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14:34:43Creposucregevaerts: i'd like to had some things to support RDS text on the radio screen
14:36:12Creposucrethat requires to add some things in tuner.c to bring that support for others targets
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14:38:51gevaertsbut surely MULTI doesn't make that impossible?
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14:41:56CreposucreI actually made an attempt in the last patch, i'm gonna test it with the ondio fm
14:43:41gevaertsfrom a *very* quick look I think that looks ok
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14:49:23Creposucrecompiler doesn't seem to like the define HAVE_RDS_CAP in the middle of the case type
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15:01:56CreposucreAnother question: How come that an ipod video 60G takes more time than a 30g (5G) to boot?
15:02:27CIA-43New commit by teru (r22630): remove extra 1 element in arrays. use same counter for both manual and auto fire. break long lines.
15:02:57Creposucre~15s for the 30G, barely scratching on the HD, ~30s for the 60G scratching like hell
15:03:03Creposucredircache removed
15:07:24bertrikcan c200 owners please test the fix in ?
15:08:19bertrikit fixes a problem navigating in the time setting menu for me, not completely sure it is free of side effects
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15:16:01domonokyis there any documentation what tables the buildserver expects in the mysql db ?
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15:24:56*gevaerts wishes that more people would remember that the bootloader assumes 512-byte sectors when reporting partition sizes
15:25:05gevaertsor maybe we should just fix that
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15:30:45domonokyif i run a buildsever locally, how do i tell it to start a build-round ?
15:31:55gevaertsisn't there some sort of telnet interface?
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15:33:28domonokylooks like it from the code, but how to use it ?
15:34:23kugelbertrik: I don't think it's the right fix
15:34:48kugelthat looks like it would make it impossible to hold left for going to the root in the filebrowser
15:35:54kugelinstead, you should probably insert a "{ACTION_NONE, BUTTON_LEFT, BUTTON_NONE}" line into the timescreen keymap
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15:38:57gevaertsdomonoky: I don't know more about it than you... From the code, it seems that the "commander" uses a slightly different HELLO syntax, and then supports UPDATE and BUILD commands, but that's about all I understand from it
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15:41:20domonokygevaerts: thanks, the correct HELLO did it :-)
15:41:47domonokynow to find out how the mysql tables should look like.
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15:50:02gevaertsdomonoky: do you know about the read-only access to the database?
15:50:28domonokyno, that would be good to get the table layout :-)
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15:51:09gevaertsmysql server: username: rockbox password: FVUKynGTzzEad3Nq
15:51:52kugelamiconn: ping
15:52:54gevaertsdomonoky: "mysqldump −−single-transaction −−no-data -h -u rockbox −−password=FVUKynGTzzEad3Nq rockbox" should give you what you need I think
16:02:13domonokyhm, only haveing 1 new client gives 0 points/sec which causes a divison by zero :-)
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16:30:19kugeln1s: the radio crash is apparently caused by the assumption "meh, the list code hopefully handles this stopping of scrolling for me"
16:32:06kugelsame problem as with the quickscreen. but the parent vp for the radio is on the stack, hence scrolling code crashes. the quickscreen viewports aren't on the stack, so it keeps scrolling after exiting
16:33:08domonokyhm, looks like the buildserver has serious problems it if has only one client and the client isnt in the stats. bestfit_builds never returns :-/
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16:38:35CIA-43New commit by kugel (r22631): Fix bug in viewports preparation (screen.lcdwidth() isn't really proper for this in times of custom ui vp), and stop all scrolling before exiting ...
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16:44:40*domonoky was wrong.bestfit_builds() never finishes, when we have builds and no clients for them
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16:54:02bertrikkugel, but I want to be able to go left and right in the time settings screen, so I don't want to set it to ACTION_NONE
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17:02:21TheSevenbertrik: i saw you wrote some very early NAND code for a S5L8700 target?
17:03:16TheSevenI've got a working NAND driver for S5L8701 now, so you might want to try that out on the 8700, as it's extremely similar (even thogh some minor things seem to have changed on the 8701)
17:03:23bertrikTheSeven, it's only the NAND identification, basically following what the datasheet says for that and corrected a bit according to what I saw in disassembled firmware
17:04:52bertrikI am able to read the raw NAND with a Samsung utility that can be downloaded as a DFU and a windows tool that can talk to it
17:05:35TheSevenok, that's good, so you can compare results :-)
17:05:36bertrikWhat kind of NAND functions are in your driver?
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17:05:53TheSevenget_chip_id / read_page / program_page / block_erase
17:07:20TheSevenyep, and init of course
17:07:47TheSevenit isn't too complex, just 300 lines of C
17:08:34bertrikdo you do anything with the OOB or "spare" data?
17:08:49TheSevenyep, i'm checking the ECC stuff
17:08:57bertrikI have not really looked into that, but as far as I understand, that is used for metadata and error correction
17:09:13TheSeven(not using the on-the-fly ecc features, as apple didn't use them either, so there may be something wrong with them)
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17:09:59TheSevenwell, the actual layout of the spare bytes may be different on the other players, but adjusting that shouldn't be too hard
17:10:47bertrikI'm still not even sure how to approach the whole thing, whether to try to keep compatible with the OF or put a whole new FTL on top of it (which one?)
17:10:58TheSevenon the ipod, the first 0xC bytes are metadata, then there are 0x28 bytes of data ECC, then 0xC bytes of meta ECC
17:11:14bertrikor how bootloading shoudl be done on these targetrs
17:11:31TheSevenbertrik: they are using whimory, too? we should look into whether that's a newer/older version than on the ipod
17:11:44bertrikI was seeing 9-byte blocks in the spare area of the samsung yp-s3 and various other-sized blocks
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17:12:07bertrikI should have put that info on a wiki... :)
17:12:35bertrikThe Whimory version could be found as simple text strings in the firmwares I looked at
17:13:16bertrikIIRC, the Samsung YP-S3 uses a signature of 220W, to indicate Whimory 2.2.0, the Meizus used a slightly older version
17:14:10bertrikI also looked at the iphoneboot code, but couldn't really map it to what I was seeing on the Meizus and the Samsung yp-s3
17:14:19TheSeveni'm asking that because there is some nice example code in openiboot, and the ipod one seems to be a little older than the iphone one (both use a "A004" signature on the first blocks, and the version number in the FTLCxt block didn't even exist yet on the ipod
17:14:39TheSevenit maps quite good to the ipod, though
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17:17:28TheSevenis there a "A003" / "A004" signature on the first pages and "DEVICEINFOSIGN" / "DEVICEINFOBBT" on the last ones (of each bank)?
17:18:32bertrikI looked for strings like that, but couldn't find them in the samsung yp-s3 NAND
17:18:47TheSevennot good :-/
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17:35:25pixelmavedos: what does the manual say about it?
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17:40:17kugelbertrik: I mean setting BUTTON_LEFT to do nothing with it. you can still set BUTTON_LEFT|BUTTON_[REL|REPEAT] to go left in the screen
17:40:36kugeljust unmap or remap the the button that does ACTION_STD_CANCEL
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17:47:51bughunter2Hey, for the Sansa AMS targets, USB is listed as 'No', what does this mean in reality? Like, you can't charge, or transfer files, via USB?
17:47:55bughunter2I'd suppose you could at least charge it?
17:48:12gevaertscharging has nothing at all to do with usb
17:48:45gevaertsin practice it means that it reboots to the OF on USB connect
17:49:30bughunter2so, no file transfer
17:49:38bughunter2then, how to test if playback works? :)
17:49:55bughunter2I'm thinking about buying a Sansa AMS and help development
17:50:30gevaertsnot "no file transfer". "reboot to the OF for file transfer"
17:50:57bughunter2oh that way of course, so after that you can still boot RB
17:51:17bughunter2makes sense
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17:53:59Rand_AlthorWill RB build faster in Ubuntu with a dual core processor (instead of a single core)?
17:54:19bughunter2if you run make -j2, sure
17:54:55Rand_AlthorThanks you. I assume that if I had 4 cores it would be -j4?
17:55:26bughunter2there are benchmarks floating around which you could check out to see what the best option would be
17:55:35bughunter2basically, try it and see :)
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18:03:50bertrikkugel, ok ,I think I understand, adding an ACTION_NONE for a specific button prevents a "fall-through" to the standard context, right?
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18:43:23kugelbertrik: yes
18:43:42bertrikok, I'll cook up another patch and add it to the task
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18:51:50bertrikI can probably enable charging for the c200v2s
18:53:53bughunter2is there any news on the recovery method for the sansa clip/fuze?
18:54:20bughunter2haven't found much on it on the forums/wiki, at least no easy/reliable method
18:55:03domonokybughunter2: there is no recovery method if the bootloader install goes wrong. but its also very unlikely to break.
18:55:44bughunter2domonoky: okay, so I could help by buying e.g. a Fuze and have some fun developing? :)
18:56:15bughunter2I'd like to help development, and have a sensible player on which I can test stuff
18:56:30bughunter2I like the sansa's for their replaceable memory cards
18:56:32domonokybughunter2: sure, it already runs pretty well on fuze (v1). see the testbuild forum.
18:56:57bughunter2aye, but where to get a fuze v1...
18:57:13bughunter2I would think that the things sold in shops now is all v2
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19:00:55bughunter2domonoky: any idea on fuze v2? The status page lists it isn't in SVN yet, but is there someone with the code for fuze v2 that I could test?
19:01:35domonokyi dont know.
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19:34:53PaulJamkugel: just a wild guess, but could FS #9842 have the same cause as FS #10588 ?
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19:59:25kugelPaulJam: very possible, same symptoms
20:07:40kugelPaulJam: indeed, applying the same fix works
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20:10:48CIA-43New commit by kugel (r22633): Fix FS #9842 by stopping scrolling before leaving the yesno screen. ...
20:10:59kugelPaulJam: nice find!
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20:16:31saratogakugel: are there install directions for the YH players anywhere on the wiki?
20:16:42kugelI don't think so
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20:20:32bughunter2Just ordered a sansa e260, presumably it's a v2. If so, I'm going to test the e200v2 :)
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20:21:37bughunter2(the test build that is)
20:24:28saratogaBagder: email sent about the new supported status system
20:24:56saratogaimo the best way to make this happen is for you to update the front page with the AMS targets and then post ont he mailing list asking what else needs to be changed
20:25:27saratogathat will probably be the D2, YH, and Beast once the wiki pages are cleaned up
20:26:18soapOne thing I didn't see discussed in the mailing list thread was risk.
20:26:47soapAny of those targets have a potential risk of damage to the hardware through (mis) use?
20:27:14saratogai just assumed that who ever was developing a port would keep that in mind when suggesting unstable status
20:27:31soap(ie battery charging issues / data corruption to the point extraordinary measures are needed to rectify / etc.)
20:27:44saratogawe've generally be extremely cautious about that anyway when proposing test builds and i don't think that will change in the new system
20:27:56gevaertsExactly. I'm not 100% sure that we discussed this in Gent, but I think we did. If the porters are confident, it's fine
20:28:39saratogai think risk is probably less in this system since it discourages third parties from distributing bootloaders and builds in favor of ones we've actually tested
20:28:51soapmy fear, possibly baseless, is that a "marginal" port with potential risks will get youtubed and ...
20:29:27saratogawell sooner or later it'd happen anyway, better that it happens here where we can pull the download link quickly
20:30:35soapI believe I agree with your conclusion that the risk is likely less in this proposed system, because you bring in "in house" - but you also run the risk of "legitimizing" it. All that said - your point about relying on the porter to make the decision, and trusting in them to not encourage undo risk is likely all the answer I needed to my question.
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20:34:37saratogado people mind allowing rbutil to install unstable ports?
20:38:12bluebrotherwell, we currently have support for unstable ports in it. I was thinking about adding some unstable indication icon somewhere, but apart from that (and IMO we should really indicate that it's an unstable port the user is going to install) I'm fine with adding support.
20:40:06kugelsaratoga: I'll write up installation instructions
20:40:31kugelfor the YH*
20:41:20saratogabluebrother: maybe a pop up warning saying its unstable and to read the wiki for port status?
20:41:52bluebrothersaratoga: maybe something like this. Haven't made up my mind what I consider best :)
20:42:42saratogaok so long as being unsupported doesn't discourage people from adding rbutil support for a port
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20:48:30*domonoky has a buildclient/server which currently builds rbutil :-)
20:49:56domonokyunfortunatly my test-setup is still unable to upload the log, so it aborts after a build :-/
20:52:51CIA-43New commit by kugel (r22634): Put the quickscreen viewports onto the stack (saving a tiny bit of ram), and simplify the preparing and drawing functions a bit.
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20:57:06CIA-43New commit by bertrik (r22635): Sansa c200v2: update DBOP button reading mechanism, this enables readout of the volume buttons, rec and hold button.
20:57:09AlexPsoap: Interesting post in the forums, GodEater and I were discussing just that yesterday :) Anyway, I replied there with my thoughts
20:59:06saratogai don't mind having unstable ports mixed in with the others
20:59:17saratogaon the forums
20:59:26saratogabut i don't think it makes a huge difference either
20:59:29AlexPsaratoga: Yes, I agree on balance
21:00:09kugelbertrik: didn't you want to write something to the dev mail w.r.t. to where to have the dbop stuff?
21:00:40bertrikyeah, maybe later this week
21:00:49kugelnow the AMS targets have reading dbop in at different places...
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21:04:07soapAlexP, it was a poorly worded brain-dump if anything. ;) I just wanted to start getting some feedback on it. Anything, IMHO, to get interested parties to move their support work on these targets "into the fold" from the scattered corners of the internet where they are now.
21:04:28AlexPsoap: i COMPLETELY AGREE
21:04:30CIA-43New commit by kugel (r22636): Don't forget the touchscreen targets!
21:04:33AlexPer, sorry
21:07:03soapI mentioned wiki contributers specifically, because I'm thinking wiki updates will be of even higher importance with these targets than the current crop. As much as I would like to see "dedicated" users reading the full New Ports threads, I don't think that will actually happen and it would be nice to have all the relevant info reliably in the wiki. But keeping the wiki current canon is a lot of work.
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21:12:52AlexPsoap: Yep, I think if we are going to use the bagde as a sort of "general good egg" reward without the far reaching forum powers the current experts have, then we can use them to recognise people that contribute in other ways too, e.g. the wiki
21:13:18soap"general good egg" and "listen to this poster".
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21:21:12webguest73on Ubuntu. I just rand How do I "make my path include :/usr/local/arm-elf/bin"?
21:21:25webguest73*rand = ran
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21:22:35soapeasiest way, imho, is to edit .bashrc
21:23:18saratogafollow those directions, they're written for ubuntu
21:23:31webguest73thank you
21:24:07saratogawhich directions where you using
21:25:47saratogathe HowToCompile wiki page is probably unneeded now that we have SimpleGuideToCompiling and LinuxSimpleGuideToCompiling
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21:32:39webguest73am I still connected?
21:33:03webguest73when I try to make −−- /bin/sh: arm-elf-gcc: not found
21:33:49webguest73ubuntu 9.04
21:34:53goffadid you run in the tools dir?
21:35:44webguest73not in the tools dir.
21:36:17goffai think that's where it is anyway
21:36:25webguest73i had an old copy. oops. i'll try that
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21:44:49AlexPwebguest73: If you just added it .bashrc then you need to close the terminal and open a new one
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21:46:58webguest73I did.
21:47:44AlexPEither way, google would be handy for you here - this is basic linux usage, nothing rockbox specific
21:52:32webguest73I don't know if it was the old rockboxdev, or not being in the tools dir when I ran it, but I'm good now. Just built RB. Thanks guys.
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22:17:59bluebrotherlinuxstb: around?
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22:50:46cfpkkurbjun: Any updates on FS #10561?
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23:12:38KinetixRockbox for the view? =/
23:13:02krazykitdo you see it on the front page?
23:13:38Kinetixi know it isn't released
23:13:46Kinetixi'm just wondering if any progress is being made on developing it
23:14:10krazykitany progress would be on the relevant wiki page or development thread.
23:15:19Kinetixneither of which have been updated for a month or two
23:15:20Kinetixoh well
23:18:23saratogaif it hasn't been updated then theres probably nothing to say about it, unless someone is working in secret somewhere
23:19:09Kinetixi'll just buy the Cowon S9, then
23:19:21Kinetixsandisk really screwed the view up =/
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