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#rockbox log for 2009-09-08

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00:05:17	JdGordon	probably a heretical suggestion... but what do people think about releasing the build from before the ui viewport and skin changes as 3.4?
00:06:37	gevaerts	why?
00:07:39	JdGordon	because the whole release fixture annoys me so I thought that suggestion would bypass the whole thing :)
00:08:02	JdGordon	also because visually that was more stable than what the later builds have been
00:08:59	gevaerts	as far as I'm concerned, if we have serious bugs, we can postpone the release until they're fixed
00:09:08	JdGordon	I dont tihnk we do
00:09:29	JdGordon	there are minor visual annoyances which might not be fixed in time
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00:11:55	gevaerts	I don't like the idea of picking a branch point a posteriori. I'd prefer to postpone the release by a few weeks
00:12:32	JdGordon	didnt we decide we'd never do that again unless it was a really major problem?
00:12:51	JdGordon	was it 3.0 which was frozen for 3 motnhs or something rediculous?
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00:13:13	gevaerts	yes, but 3.0 waan't :)
00:13:56	JdGordon	anyway, ok, just floating an idea... I don't tihnk we are in such a bad state that postponing will be needed
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00:25:50	kugel	JdGordon: did you spot the visual annoyance on the pic?
00:25:59	kugel	the one I pasted a few hours ago
00:26:02	JdGordon	yeah
00:26:39	gevaerts	oh, is that the new word? "Please post a new entry on the visual annoyance tracker" :)
00:27:29	Hillshum	kugel: Did you commit the 4th quickscreen patch?
00:27:37	kugel	yes
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01:17:32	notlistening	Hi, was just wondering what run time any e200v2 users are getting on average? and which patches you have?
01:18:30	Strife89	notlistening: Are you listening? ;) http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/BatteryRuntime
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01:19:35	Strife89	Wait, never mind. Forgot that doesn't list the v2s yet. :/
01:19:41	TheSeven	bad news for the nano2 pmu... the data i read doesn't make any sense at all compared to the pcf50606 datasheet
01:21:38	notlistening	no worries Strife89
01:22:10	notlistening	thanks I am just looking for ball park values anyways
01:24:42	TheSeven	http://pastie.org/609039 in case anyone wants to have a look whether he recognizes that thing
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01:34:38	mcuelenaere	pamaury, pcc1: when trying your MTP patch on my MIPS target, I get an Address Error (similar to Data Abort on ARM) at 0xDEADBEEF; which means a thread stack overflow IIRC
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01:43:32	Sansy	Hello, I wonder if rockbox will be implemented on the Sansa Clip (aka Sansa m300)?
01:43:33	robin0800	JdGordon: This Is what breaks %?C<%t10%Vda\|%t5%Vdu>;%?C<%t10%Vdb> it does not display the first two viewports on start up
01:43:55	JdGordon	since when is the clip the m300?
01:44:08	Sansy	Is it not?
01:44:16	Sansy	Sorry, my mistake!
01:44:29	JdGordon	the clip (v1 only) does run rockbox
01:44:35	JdGordon	it has some playback glitches thouhg
01:44:45	kugel	JdGordon: the firmware is named m300XY.bin
01:45:06	JdGordon	robin0800: and all that worked previously? wierd.... I thought you couldnt put sublines in conditionals
01:45:13	kugel	it's probably the inofficial successor, with a similar feature-set
01:45:21	mcuelenaere	pamaury, pcc1: increasing the dircache stack doesn't seem to help
01:46:12	*	JdGordon is very confused
01:46:24	robin0800	JdGordon: It used to work
01:47:37	JdGordon	im heading out in a few min so cant investigate now...
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01:48:30	robin0800	JdGordon: I'm off to bed see catch up with you later
01:48:59	CIA-43	New commit by kugel (r22658): Higher the button delay on the fuze a bit more, the wrong hold button reads aren't happening anymore apparently even for plugins with heavy lcd ...
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01:50:02	pixelma	I think so too about the %t inside conditionals (at least I think it was said to be impossible since the tokeniser or so)
01:50:35	kugel	JdGordon: I have a slight problem with my statusbar theme. When the non-conditional vp which has the %?lh<> in it is cleared, the same area is cleared in the main viewport also (it appears to be in the %Vi area)
01:51:01	kugel	the %?lh-vp is decleared directly after the %Vi viewport
01:51:36	JdGordon	pixelma: there is an example like that on CustomWPS so I guess i need to fix it :/
01:51:55	kugel	it appears it clears the very same area in the %Vi viewport, as if the %?lh viewport was relative to the %Vi one. I'm not sure if the %?lh-vp itself is cleared also
01:52:11	*	JdGordon has no idea
01:52:21	kugel	I'm refering to the azure ultimate ultra theme
01:53:13	kugel	I'm not sure if my changes are causing it, I basically only added %Vi to the parser, and a bit of handling in skin_display, so that conditionals within viewports with VP_NEVER_VISIBLE label are evaluated
01:53:50	JdGordon	sorry, not at all helpful right now... tomorow
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01:54:46	kugel	alright. in case you wanna repro it. apply my patch, build a e200 sim and run that theme. if the disk status icon on the top left changes, parts of the ui viewport are getting cleared
01:55:15	kugel	removing the ui vp, and using the %Vi vp, makes it a bit more obvious
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02:09:58	Blue_Dude	Hey, been poking around in pcmbuf.c and playback.c. I was wondering how the status bar "knows" exactly what's being played at the moment? I figure if the status bar "knows", then there might be a way to let the other display information know so that the WPS screen stays in sync.
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02:27:08	webguest07	Has anyone ever considered a seperate display-off timer for when the Text Viewer plugin is running?
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02:29:13	Hillshum	webguest07: I've wanted one for sudoku and lamp, as well as wanting lamp to max the brightness
02:29:42	Hillshum	I don't think the plugin API allows for settings to be manipulated
02:30:56	saratoga	i think you can just set a timer in the plugin itself and then cut the light as needed
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02:32:00	Hillshum	saratoga: I think he means making the light stay on longer
02:32:28	moos	There is a patch actually for this: http://www.rockbox.org/tracker/task/10581?project=1&type=4&order=dateopened&sort=desc
02:33:20	saratoga	Hillshum: yes thats what I mean as well
02:33:30	Hillshum	Okay.
02:35:13	webguest07	moos: nice. thanks.
02:35:54	moos	webguest07: np, you can thanks the author ;)
02:38:06	webguest07	wow - did you see when that plugin was first posted? I've been thinking of wanting this feature for months, and this is the first time I thought to ask. Interesting. We are not alone.
02:40:04	TheSeven	wow, rockbox only sucks 50mA of current on the nano2 with backlight powered up
02:40:18	TheSeven	that would mean a theoretical 8h runtime with backlight on!
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02:43:26	moos	webguest07: that is for a lot of features we have...
02:43:43	moos	too late apparently
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03:09:34	saratoga	TheSeven: can the Nano record current or are you using a DMM?
03:09:48	TheSeven	nano
03:10:21	TheSeven	if i supply current via usb, it draws exactly 100mA and the PMU says 30 of them go into the battery
03:10:45	TheSeven	one obviously needs to enable fast charging somehow, as it's usually only done after usb enumeration
03:10:46	saratoga	wow quite an impressive piece of hardware
03:11:22	TheSeven	saratoga: the charge controller just needs to know this anyway to charge the battery properly, why not expose it through i2c then?
03:11:30	saratoga	lots of devices we use have charging circuits that are fully analog actually
03:11:51	TheSeven	resolution is 1mA (current) and 4mV (battery voltage)
03:11:53	saratoga	so no I2C or any feed back at all beyond "charged" or "not charged"
03:12:26	saratoga	on the plus side it makes drivers for the battery charger easy!
03:12:44	TheSeven	well, this one is not much harder
03:13:08	TheSeven	it will charge with the 100mA always, and if you write some special i2c value to it it will go to 500mA
03:13:56	TheSeven	they have a fully integrated power manger chip on in the nano, which contains a battery charger, a DAC with at least 3 inputs, some switching regulators, some linear regulators, and the backlight pwm
03:14:37	TheSeven	this thing can even fade the backlight autonomously
03:21:15	saratoga	will make runtime estimation really easy on the Nano
03:22:28	TheSeven	it would be even better if we had a datasheet for that thing
03:29:53	TheSeven	it is drawing 100mA from USB and 23mA from the battery in iBugger btw (all clock gates open) - more than a factor of 2 (and the case gets noticably warm)
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03:34:24	TheSeven	ok, i found a way to shut the processor power off :-)
03:34:40	TheSeven	the backlight went off, too, but the LCD itself stayed on
03:41:25	TheSeven	in fact the LCD went to a low-power mode, with a lower refresh rate
03:41:46	TheSeven	looks pretty much like the apple "empty battery" behavior if i write 0x01 to 0x0c on that thing
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06:55:26	pcc1	does usb_drv_send send a zero-length packet if you send a block with length divisible by wMaxPacketSize?
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09:16:36	petur	regarding http://forums.rockbox.org/index.php?topic=21959.msg151910#msg151910 - did the buttonmap change? REC has always started a recording in the past. People on Taperssection start to complain about this too now :/
09:16:51	*	petur doesn't have his h300 with him...
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10:40:36	robin0800	JdGordon: It would seem there is no way to have automatic changing screens, you have to use an alternate line I think, which used to work, partially works now but might be illegal and shouldn't work at all
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12:24:52	funman	JdGordon: the clip is the m300, as shown on the OF filename and printed on the board
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13:31:38	PaulJam	kugel: your latest custom SB patch works great. sublines and scrolling works for me now. do you have any plans about the statusbar in the recording screen? currently it just shows the custom statusbar, but that lacks the recording-specific information.
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13:39:07	kugel	PaulJam: I'm eventually planning on just forcing the classic statusbar
13:40:02	kugel	either that, or the skin engine gets recording specific tags and a conditional tag depending on the screen you are
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13:43:29	PaulJam	kugel: are recording specific tags actually neccessary? couln't you use the %St tag for that?
13:43:54	kugel	hm, yea that could work
13:48:39	kugel	PaulJam: but playmode needs more values (or a recording mode tag) for whether recording is running or paused
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15:07:11	Akuma^	Hello
15:07:23	Akuma^	Does RockBox support iPod G5?
15:10:39	LambdaCalculus37	Yes.
15:10:41	robin0800	from front page
15:10:43	robin0800	Apple: 1st through 5.5th generation iPod, iPod Mini and 1st generation iPod Nano
15:10:44	robin0800	(not the Shuffle, 2nd/3rd/4th gen Nano, Classic or Touch)
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15:11:06	Akuma^	I can�t find iPod G5 on the list of the builds.
15:11:33	Akuma^	http://build.rockbox.org/
15:12:01	LambdaCalculus37	It's the iPod video.
15:12:17	LambdaCalculus37	Pick the build that matches your drive capacity.
15:12:24	Akuma^	Wait, what?
15:12:29	Akuma^	Oh.
15:12:36	Akuma^	Ipod G5 = iPod VIdeo?
15:12:47	LambdaCalculus37	That's correct.
15:12:53	robin0800	Akuma^: and memory
15:13:14	Akuma^	Argh.
15:13:16	*	Akuma^ is stupid
15:13:16	LambdaCalculus37	robin0800: That's already handled by picking the drive capacity.
15:13:17	Akuma^	Well.
15:13:19	Akuma^	I just got this iPod
15:13:21	Akuma^	So I had no idea.
15:13:27	Akuma^	SAys "30 GB" on the back-plate of mine.
15:14:01	Akuma^	Why do they call it the iPod Video and not the iPod G5? :P
15:14:06	Akuma^	Like Wikipedia does!
15:14:49	Torne	because Apple call it the iPod Video
15:15:04	Akuma^	Ah.
15:15:10	LambdaCalculus37	And it's not worth arguing about, either.
15:15:12	Akuma^	Silly Steve Jobs.
15:15:17	Akuma^	I guess.
15:15:20	Akuma^	Well.
15:15:23	Akuma^	Thanks for the help.
15:15:28	Akuma^	I'll try the firmware out.
15:15:33	Akuma^	I really do not wish to install iTunes.
15:15:42	LambdaCalculus37	Here, use Rockbox Utility to install: http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/RockboxUtility
15:15:49	LambdaCalculus37	Makes the install process much easier.
15:16:09	LambdaCalculus37	And have a read through our fine manual: http://download.rockbox.org/manual/rockbox-ipodvideo/rockbox-build.html
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15:55:21	bughunter2	Hey, perhaps an interesting question, although not Rockbox-related, when copying files to my (non-rockboxed) players (Creative Zen V Plus and Sansa e260), the tags (artist/album/etc.) aren't recognized by the player. This happens when I copy it from Windows XP x64
15:55:47	bughunter2	but when I use my laptop, which has the 'normal' XP (32-bit edition) installed, the players can recognize the copied songs
15:55:54	bughunter2	(both players use MTP btw)
15:56:39	bughunter2	the songs can be played on the players too, just the tags aren't recognized
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15:57:02	bughunter2	k
15:57:21	CIA-43	New commit by kugel (r22659): Samsung YH925: Reset the LCD orientation to what the OF expects before branching to it in dualbooting ...
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16:07:37	kugel	gevaerts: ping
16:07:49	kugel	wtf: "#if CONFIG_CPU == PP5024 \|\| CONFIG_CPU == PP5024 \|\| CONFIG_CPU == PP5024"
16:08:34	mt	:D
16:08:35	*	kugel suspects there are a few PP bootloade which do not have the "Version 6.0" version string due to the above
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16:10:56	*	kugel proposes re-releasing those
16:11:24	robin0800	kugel: I've commented in http://forums.rockbox.org/index.php?topic=22644.0 I think its a bug?
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16:12:23	kugel	robin0800: possibly. See http://www.rockbox.org/tracker/task/10595 I'm not sure if we have the same bug though
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16:15:54	robin0800	kugel: Thanks I'll set up a build environment and try that patch c200 maximumart is my problem theme
16:18:07	CIA-43	New commit by kugel (r22660): Backport r22659 to the PP&AMS bootloader branch.
16:19:20	CIA-43	New commit by kugel (r22661): Fix Version string for PP5022/PP5020. The bootloader for c200, mrobe100 and all h10 should be re-released since they don't actually have the 6.0 ...
16:20:28	*	kugel pings Zagor & Bagder
16:20:41	Zagor	yes?
16:21:05	kugel	the targets mentioned should get new bootloaders on the download servers. additionally, I'd like to have the YH925 bootloader too
16:21:17	kugel	mentioned in the above commit message
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16:21:39	Zagor	we need a better way to handle the download server
16:22:30	robin0800	kugel: looking at r22618 it certainly alters several things that are broken think I'll set up build r22617 first
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16:57:23	gevaerts	kugel: can you find out which targets could be involved, so we can check if there is actually a real problem?
16:58:06	*	gevaerts does not want to go through the bootloader testing again if it's not needed
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17:03:00	ackers07	is there rockbox for cowon s9?
17:03:42	rasher	ackers07: Only if it's listed on the front page.
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17:15:25	kugel	gevaerts: see commit message
17:16:14	gevaerts	kugel: I'm pretty sure the c200 bootloader says v6.0
17:16:39	kugel	gevaerts: the last commit was yours, so nothing changed inbetween
17:18:16	kugel	except the samsung lcd change, but that's all #ifdef'd
17:18:34	kugel	I'd say they don't need to be tested again
17:19:11	kugel	config-c200.h: #define CONFIG_CPU PP5022, it would be weird if that matched the #if
17:20:55	gevaerts	kugel: I don't remember the details, but it's not impossible that I did manual -Ds in the makefile for the release
17:21:27	kugel	lol
17:23:49	*	kugel is against manual editing the Makefiles, since it makes reproducing the release from source very hard
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17:24:25	gevaerts	kugel: that may be so, but it doesn't change anything after the fact
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17:48:17	*	JdGordon1 thinks it would be bloody awesome if kugel would post patches against svn.....
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17:52:16	JdGordon1	ah FUCK! sorry kugel... too many damn checkouts here
17:53:36	JdGordon1	that patch is ineed correct... commit it when you have a chance... my net is fucked atm
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17:58:40	pamaury	hello there, if you see pcc1 online, could you tell him to have a look at the modifications I've done about the MTP code on github (you are also very welcome to have a look at it also) ?
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18:11:49	robin0800	what svn was 3.3? because that works with maximumart theme and if I know I can try and find what has broken it r 22617 doesn't work for me
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18:14:38	JdGordon1	you dont need to go anywhere near that far back
18:15:05	JdGordon1	and I know exactly which commit broek it
18:16:39	robin0800	JdGordon1: which one ?
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18:34:57	CIA-43	New commit by kugel (r22662): Fix/commit FS #10595. A (sub)line could be part of the previous viewport due to a off-by-one bug in the indexing.
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18:37:24	JdGordon	kugel: was that line accidently deleted in one of my commits?
18:37:39	kugel	that line wasn't there before
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18:37:55	JdGordon	ok, good spotting then
18:38:14	kugel	hm, no, it seems it was there but 1000 lines after
18:38:27	kugel	it didn't have the -1 there too
18:40:41	kugel	but num_tokens++ is done once more now
18:43:03	JdGordon	not anywhere near there though
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18:45:12	CIA-43	New commit by alle (r22663): New plugin: pitch detector (FS #8768) by Michael Lechner and David Johnston
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18:54:55	newbies	holla all!!
18:55:03	newbies	holla
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18:55:33	sub7even	i need help over here
18:55:45	sub7even	anybody around?
18:56:12	Llorean	sub7even: Generally you're expected to just ask the question. People come in and out, and even if there are people around, there's no way to know who can help until you've asked the question
18:57:07	sub7even	Llorean: thx for reply :)
18:58:16	sub7even	anyway, my question is, i've installed the RB + bootloader on my 30gb, but it seems doesn't boot to the loader, it just go directly to RB
18:59:08	AlexP	30 gb?
18:59:13	AlexP	S30?
18:59:15	sub7even	well, i do manually using ipod patcher
18:59:17	AlexP	ipod video?
18:59:24	sub7even	yeah ipod video
18:59:33	AlexP	It should go directly to Rockbox
18:59:38	AlexP	The bootloader shows briefly
18:59:43	AlexP	What were you expecting?
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19:00:08	sub7even	i wanted it to go to bootloader that i should select which i wanted to use
19:00:19	AlexP	The Rockbox bootloader doesn't do that
19:00:40	sub7even	owh i see.. i tot i does..
19:00:45	AlexP	If you want to boot the OF, you hold a certain key when it is booting
19:00:46	sub7even	it*
19:00:54	AlexP	See the manual for details
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19:01:51	sub7even	i've search already but no luck..
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19:02:12	sub7even	tho i restart/ reboot, it do the same thing
19:02:21	AlexP	Really? - http://download.rockbox.org/manual/rockbox-ipodvideo/rockbox-buildch3.html#x5-290003.1.3
19:03:10	sub7even	aight AlexP, thx for helping, i'll read thru 1st and see what i have missin out...
19:03:15	sub7even	thx alot AlexP
19:03:26	AlexP	No problem, and please use real words
19:03:49	AlexP	The manual is very helpful, make sure you have a good look :)
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19:13:39	CIA-43	New commit by bryan (r22664): Added myself to docs/COMMITTERS
19:13:45	gevaerts	\☺/
19:14:21	PaulJam	kugel (if you read the logs): your latest commit broke the custom SB patch (the player just freezes when trying to load an sbs file).
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19:16:00	GodEater	yay
19:16:44	moos	GodEater: welcome to you (even if I thought you was already here)
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19:23:46	TheSeven	FYI: We seem to have found a way to execute code on the iPod Nano 4G, even though it's not working 100% reliable yet. Stay tuned...
19:24:00	AlexP	Good work!
19:26:18	JdGordon\|	cool!
19:26:20	JdGordon\|	well done
19:26:27	*	stripwax__ gives a big thumbs up!
19:26:41	Bagder	TheSeven: nice work!
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19:27:20	GodEater	moos: tyvm
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19:28:05	TheSeven	In fact, Farthen's Nanotron found the working address after some hours of bruteforcing
19:28:18	stripwax__	GodEater - I thought you already were also, but/so welcome again :)
19:28:47	GodEater	stripwax__: hehe :)
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19:31:53	GodEater	apparently a lot of people thought that too
19:32:14	*	JdGordon\| is one of them too
19:32:16	GodEater	I had that problem with my expert badge - Llorean thought I'd had one for ages, and it turned out he'd mistaken my Coder badge for one
19:36:14	AlexP	Which is soon going to be deleted :)
19:36:21	AlexP	The coder one that is
19:36:41	JdGordon\|	yeah, that coder one always felt a bit silly to me
19:39:45	*	GodEater sheds a tear
19:39:57	GodEater	I felt special
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19:40:55	JdGordon\|	:)
19:41:18	*	Utchybann is away: time to eat
19:41:22	*	JdGordon\| finds "developer signifies those people that supposedly know enough to be let loose on the code, and therefore should a) be worth listening to" rather funny
19:41:29	GodEater	I shall have to rely on my correctional footwear and medicated hair gel to feel special from now on.
19:41:40	GodEater	JdGordon\|: there are always exceptions :D
19:41:43	AlexP	JdGordon\|: I did add supposedly :)
19:43:11	JdGordon\|	this should maybe go in that thread, but why on eather do we need to put people in 2 groups?
19:43:22	JdGordon\|	surey only the "higher" one needs to be displayed?
19:43:47	AlexP	Who are we putting in two groups?
19:43:51	JdGordon\|	i.e forum mod + expert
19:43:59	AlexP	Oh right
19:44:13	AlexP	Does it really matter?
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19:44:25	JdGordon\|	especially silly when the title is "gloabal moderator" also
19:44:35	JdGordon\|	no it doesnt matter... just always annoyed me :p
19:45:01	AlexP	I suppose because in that case it signifies that this person not only is not only worth listening to about the rules but also Rockbox?
19:45:36	JdGordon\|	firstly, I doubt that anyone actually looks at the text under the logo
19:45:54	JdGordon\|	but also, I would think anyone who is a mod would also be trustworthy for help also
19:46:15	AlexP	If people don't look then it doesn't matter
19:46:25	AlexP	If they do look then I don't see how it can hurt
19:46:50	AlexP	Anyway, that wasn't really the point of that discussion :)
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19:51:43	JdGordon\|	AlexP: wat was the point then?
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19:52:36	AlexP	JdGordon\|: Did you read the thread?
19:52:53	AlexP	It was about new badges because of the rapidly expanding number of targets
19:53:15	JdGordon\|	the topic changed half way down
19:53:22	JdGordon\|	but yes, just reread the OP...
19:53:25	AlexP	No it didn't
19:54:06	JdGordon\|	you're right.... GodEater's edit on the 2nd post is where it started drifintg
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20:12:08	*	Buschel thinks about buying a nice nano 4G to replace his 5.5G
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20:13:15	n1s	the 4g anao is pretty nice, very slim
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20:44:07	TruthTaco	My brother is looking to buy a cheap mp3 player with micro SD slot, and 2 gigs storage. Dosen't necessarily need to be able to run rockbox
20:44:53	rasher	I'd say you should try in #rockbox-community
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20:45:49	bertrik	TruthTaco, maybe a fuze, if it's a v1 you can run an early rockbox port, if it's a v2 it's still quite a nice player
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21:32:40	dottedmag	Could anyone share usbbot1.4b-toools.zip for ingenic jz4740? their ftp is down and I've seen the plans for support players with this cpu in rockbox.
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21:37:22	bertrik	bughunter2, I have a patch, it compiles but no guarantees at all it works
21:37:35	bughunter2	well it won't hurt the player :)
21:37:35	bertrik	(and it compiles only for e200v2, not for fuze)
21:39:01	bughunter2	could you send me the compiled version?
21:39:09	bughunter2	I don't have a Rockbox dev env. (yet)
21:41:35	bughunter2	Rockbox atm. uses the OF from sansa to connect to the PC, will this always stay that way? (Just curiousity)
21:41:41	bertrik	bughunter2, you should :), the source patch is at http://pastebin.ca/1558777, I'll see if I can post the binary some place
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21:42:08	bertrik	bughunter2, maybe you could fix that ... :)
21:42:17	bughunter2	I would like to
21:42:25	bughunter2	oh and
21:42:26	bertrik	we are pretty sure about the USB device controller
21:42:35	bughunter2	in MSC mode, Windows assigns two drive letters to the device
21:42:39	bughunter2	I'm just curious why it does that
21:42:57	ej0rge	bughunter2: AMS based sansas rely on the OF - portalplayer sansas have native usb now
21:43:00	bertrik	one is the normal music data, the other is a recovery volume IIRC
21:43:11	bughunter2	ah
21:43:21	bughunter2	just a communication channel, one could say
21:43:25	bughunter2	not for data
21:43:43	bertrik	of the ams sansas only the e200v2 has this recovery thing in a working state as far as we know
21:43:50	bughunter2	yeah, I read that
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21:45:02	ej0rge	if someone wants fuze boards to experiment with, wrt recovery, I can supply parts.
21:45:20	bughunter2	wrt?
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21:46:20	bughunter2	ej0rge: anyway, I'd be interested in helping
21:46:36	ej0rge	if someone wants to try and figure out recovery tools for the fuze, and is thus worried about bricking their own fuze, i have several fuze and fuze v2 boards that have a very low value due to needing LCDs - which are in much shorter supply than boards
21:47:36	bughunter2	how does RB dual boot the OF btw?
21:47:45	bughunter2	it stores the OF in a hidden partition or suchlike?
21:47:57	bertrik	no, it's much more clever than that :P
21:48:21	bughunter2	want to give away the secret? ;)
21:48:43	bertrik	there's a mini bootloader that checks a magic button to decompress either the OF or the rockbox bootloader
21:48:50	gevaerts	it works a bit like a virus
21:48:54	bughunter2	oh yeah, I read about that
21:49:16	bughunter2	every time the OF boots, I get files in the root I don't want, though
21:50:01	bughunter2	oops
21:50:03	bughunter2	we got a panic here
21:50:14	domonoky	dont panic ! :-)
21:50:15	bughunter2	flush_fat_sector() - Could not write sector 34 (error -10)
21:50:18	bertrik	we can't help that AFAIK, although the files do have a particular combination of attributes to make other OSs ignore them
21:50:32	bughunter2	bertrik: yeah, but if we don't need the OF, then it could be fixed :)
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21:57:23	domonoky	bughunter2: then get your hands dirty and write a USB driver for the AMS Sansas...
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21:58:37	bughunter2	domonoky: I might just do that
21:59:01	bertrik	bughunter2, I think the wiki has pointers to a linux driver you could look at
21:59:15	bughunter2	cool
21:59:18	bertrik	do you have the as3525 datasheet already?
21:59:33	bughunter2	no but afaik it's (linked to?) on the wiki?
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22:00:35	bertrik	yes I think so, it doesn't really have much on the USB device part, but it's a good thing to have when developing for the ams sansas
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22:00:47	bughunter2	yes
22:01:14	bughunter2	would be an awesome way to donate :)
22:02:18	bertrik	bughunter2, this is the binary with the patch http://filebin.ca/tbmmjc/rockbox.sansa copy it to your .rockbox directory and reboot to test
22:02:44	bughunter2	thanks
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22:04:07	bughunter2	here goes
22:04:24	bertrik	it probably won't work ...
22:04:33	bughunter2	so far so good
22:05:02	bertrik	buttons still work, scrollwheel? hold button?
22:05:11	bughunter2	buttons work, scrollwheel works
22:05:25	bughunter2	hold button doesn't
22:05:56	bughunter2	I can't turn the player off either
22:05:57	bughunter2	lol
22:06:31	bughunter2	not even the LCD lits when I press the power button
22:06:50	bughunter2	other than that, it seems to work
22:07:21	bertrik	can you go to menu system/debug/view io ports and if/how DBOP_DIN changes when pressing hold or power?
22:07:32	bughunter2	sure
22:08:31	bughunter2	0x1000 is ORed when I switch the hold lock to ON
22:09:06	bughunter2	pressing the power button appears to not have any effect
22:10:28	bughunter2	bertrik: ^
22:10:33	bughunter2	:)
22:13:09	bertrik	ah, I spotted a bug in my patch that may explain why the hold button is not working
22:13:18	bughunter2	good
22:13:29	bughunter2	btw, where does RB store the compressed OF btw?
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22:14:48	bertrik	during the mkamsboot patch, it compresses both the OF and the rockbox bootloader and places it in flash, where the OF was originally
22:15:06	bughunter2	In explorer, it says '159 MB' used. If I check manually how large all the files are (on disk), only 27 MB is used :P
22:15:18	bughunter2	oh that way :)
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22:18:06	bertrik	the ams OF is not a file on the file system, it's just a bunch of reserved flash blocks AFAIK
22:18:24	bughunter2	yeah, it is
22:18:55	bertrik	I think the power button may be special on the fuze and the e200v2, could be high-active instead of low-active like the other buttons
22:19:05	bughunter2	aye
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22:24:55	bertrik	bughunter2, can you try this one? http://filebin.ca/jqzouf/rockbox.sansa
22:25:02	bughunter2	sure, sec
22:25:28	bertrik	this should fix the home button and does an inverted readout of the power button
22:27:44	bughunter2	home button?
22:28:04	bertrik	hold button I mean
22:28:08	bughunter2	ah
22:28:37	bughunter2	lol,
22:28:43	bughunter2	almost there,
22:28:52	bughunter2	but when the hold button is unlocked, it thinks it's locked
22:28:52	bughunter2	:)
22:29:01	bughunter2	power button works
22:29:20	bughunter2	the boot loader knows the hold button though
22:29:55	bughunter2	oh btw, a suggestion: if the hold button is switched, the LCD powers off, but the backlight for the wheel doesn't
22:30:00	bertrik	ooh nice, this is basically my proof of concept for a hopefully simpler way of button readout on the e200 and fuze
22:30:06	bughunter2	(I think it would make sense to turn off the backlight as well)
22:30:15	bughunter2	cool
22:30:24	bertrik	I think that's something higher up in the code
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22:30:46	bughunter2	DBOP_DIN changes when I press the power button
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22:31:00	bughunter2	ORs 0x100 when pressed :)
22:31:20	bertrik	what's the idle value of DBOP_DIN with no buttons pressed?
22:31:28	bertrik	0xF0FF?
22:31:32	fml	How can I write the following in terms of tex \opt or \nopt: #if (CONFIG_CODEC == SWCODEC) && defined(HAVE_RECORDING) && (defined(HAVE_LINE_IN) \|\| defined(HAVE_MIC_IN))
22:31:35	bughunter2	depends on the wheel, but it usually ends in 0x007F
22:31:48	fml	Or approximately that?
22:34:18	n1s	fml: you can nest opt
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22:36:15	n1s	don't kow if we have any features for the rec inputs so maybe you need to ad them
22:36:20	fml	n1s: the question is what symbol should I check for? swcodec is ok, but HAVE_MIC_IN doesn't seem to work.
22:36:53	n1s	check features.txt to see what opt symbols we create, you can add any you need
22:37:22	fml	n1s: aren't all HAVE_xxx symbols automatically exposed to tex?
22:37:29	bertrik	bughunter2, can you try this one? http://filebin.ca/ujwvjx/rockbox.sansa
22:37:37	bughunter2	right on it
22:38:04	fml	n1s: how can I add a feature in 'features'?
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22:38:07	n1s	fml: <n1s> check features.txt to see what opt symbols we create, you can add any you need
22:38:12	bertrik	you really should get the dev environment up, it's not that hard actually, we have a script to do most of it
22:38:27	bughunter2	I know :)
22:38:30	bughunter2	I had it before
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22:38:56	n1s	fml: just check features.txt it's pretty obvious
22:40:40	bughunter2	bertrik: if I press the play/pause button (the button north of the wheel), should it go to the now playing screen?
22:40:49	bughunter2	in the OF it was used for navigation
22:41:05	JdGordon\|	yes
22:41:05	bertrik	yes, I think so
22:41:07	bughunter2	and the playlist button (south of the wheel) brings up the menu
22:41:08	JdGordon\|	we dont care about the OF mapping
22:41:23	bughunter2	JdGordon\|: I assumed so, neither do I care though :)
22:41:26	bughunter2	RBs defaults seem sensible
22:41:55	bughunter2	bertrik: congratulations then, all the buttons seem to function correctly :)
22:42:02	JdGordon\|	we try to go for more consistancy between targets which is even more rediculous!
22:42:16	bughunter2	it isn't
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22:43:32	bertrik	one final experiment then, can you go to menu system/debug/CPUfrequency, the press or scroll up to make it say boost_counter: 1, then try all buttons again and have another look in the view io port debug menu and see if you still get a stable reading for DBOP_DIN
22:43:43	bughunter2	k
22:44:16	bertrik	the boost_counter being higher than 0 makes the CPU run at "boosted" speed, 248 MHz instead of 62 MHz in case of the ams sansa
22:44:55	bughunter2	yes
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22:45:10	bughunter2	all the values change correctly I think
22:45:14	bughunter2	and the buttons work fine too
22:45:59	fml	I wrote some words about the pitch detector: http://pastebin.ca/1558868 (this is just a start) May I commit that? So that we have at least something.
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22:51:06	bertrik	bughunter2, great, thanks for testing, this saves about 110 lines of source code in the button readout code :)
22:51:16	bughunter2	neato :)
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22:52:18	bughunter2	I'm trying the virtual RB dev env. in VirtualBox
22:52:49	bertrik	it may need a bit more day-to-day testing before it can replace the existing code, testing on the fuze too, and discussion with the other ams developers
22:53:08	bughunter2	good idea
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22:55:54	CIA-43	New commit by alle (r22667): Manual section for the pitch detector (this is just the beginning)
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22:56:48	bughunter2	bertrik: do you have an idea why explorer measures ~25 MB in use when selecting all files, and 159 MB if I go to the properties of the disk?
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22:57:31	gevaerts	bughunter2: hidden files?
22:57:35	bughunter2	I have none
22:57:42	bughunter2	and I have enabled hidden files etc. in explorer
22:57:43	bertrik	no, maybe there's FAT corruption
22:58:12	bughunter2	I could format the thing, then put back rockbox' files
22:58:34	rasher	Sounds like a classic case of unupdated fsinfo struct
22:58:40	bughunter2	yeah
22:58:45	rasher	There's a way to fix this from within Rockbox.. I forget where
22:59:16	gevaerts	press select in the info screen?
22:59:26	rasher	That sounds familiar
22:59:32	bughunter2	which button on the e200 is mapped to select?
22:59:36	TheSeven	shouldn't windows chkdisk be able to fix that in the first place?
22:59:48	rasher	bughunter2: The big center one
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22:59:52	bughunter2	ah
22:59:57	rasher	TheSeven: that's more work than doing it in Rockbox!
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23:00:06	bughunter2	and less fun
23:00:37	rasher	It should say "Scanning disk..." at you
23:00:54	bughunter2	I have to wait a while for that, just copying some files to the thing :)
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23:15:48	bughunter2	rasher: ok, how exactly to make RB scan the disk?
23:16:20	bughunter2	in the RB Info screen it says "1.48GB/3.79GB", however in explorer it says 2.30GB in the device properties, and 2.17GB when I manually select all files
23:17:11	Jaykay	i guess thats a"no"?
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23:20:01	BBBradley	How difficult is it to add a function that's missing from a lib, like say "localtime" in time.h?
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23:21:57	Bagder	time.h is not a lib, it's a header...
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23:22:39	gevaerts	adding a function as such is easy. Implementing the particular function you want can be tricky of course
23:23:16	rasher	bughunter2: Press select while on the Rockbox Info screen
23:23:23	bughunter2	I did
23:23:35	BBBradley	Well I noticed that the function localtime is missing from the header file time.h, and also that rockbox doesn't implemnt enough functions in the standard c lib
23:23:38	Jaykay	saratoga: ping
23:23:39	rasher	bughunter2: and did it not go "Scanning disk..." for a while?
23:23:50	bughunter2	rasher: it did
23:23:54	bughunter2	but it still said 1.48GB
23:24:37	bughunter2	would that really fix/scan the FAT, btw?
23:24:55	bughunter2	oh wait, 1.48GB == free space
23:24:58	bughunter2	~_~ :P
23:25:31	rasher	So everything's good?
23:25:34	bughunter2	nope
23:25:39	bughunter2	it still says 2.30GB in explorer
23:25:45	rasher	After remounting?
23:25:49	bughunter2	yep
23:25:52	bughunter2	3.79-1.48=2.31
23:25:56	rasher	Maybe try rebooting Rockbox, maybe some odd caching is going on
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23:26:02	bughunter2	already did
23:26:08	bughunter2	now scanning the disk with chkdsk
23:26:20	bughunter2	"found no problems"
23:26:21	gevaerts	so what's the problem? Those numbers seem to match to me...
23:26:42	bughunter2	when I select all files and go to properties, it says "2.17 GB"
23:27:01	bughunter2	seems to miss at least 2.30-2.17=0.13 GB
23:27:30	Jaykay	maybe it's not full
23:27:31	gevaerts	are you sure they mean the same thing? Is the 2.30 counting bytes or clusters?
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23:28:04	rasher	What does the number of byte readout say?
23:28:22	bughunter2	2479349760 bytes used
23:29:04	bughunter2	and when manually selecting all files: 2339107693 (or the on disk size : 2340352000 )
23:29:31	gevaerts	2339107693 is 2.17GB
23:29:37	bughunter2	that's what I said
23:29:39	bughunter2	2.17
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23:30:01	*	gevaerts apparently is already asleep
23:30:11	*	rasher shrugs
23:30:21	rasher	Maybe Windows just sucks.
23:30:40	Hillshum	news flash
23:31:01	bughunter2	it does?
23:31:16	bughunter2	:P
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23:31:32	BBBradley	gevaerts: hey can you post a link on how to do this (add a non-implemented c lib function)?
23:31:58	gevaerts	BBBradley: a link? You just add it...
23:32:03	domonoky1	BBBradley: just add your new code to the file in question ?
23:32:38	BBBradley	I mean how to add a missing function from a standard c header file. Someone apparently missed it when building Rockbox.
23:32:54	Bagder	hehe, BBBradley we only ever add functions we need
23:32:58	BBBradley	I don't want to write the code myself, someone did it 300 years ago.
23:33:04	Bagder	nobody needed it
23:33:09	bughunter2	okay that's it, I'm formatting it
23:33:12	BBBradley	Badger, you missed one. I need it now.
23:33:22	Bagder	well, we add functions we miss
23:33:32	domonoky1	BBBradley: its not like we missed it. we did not need it, so we didnt port it..
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23:34:03	BBBradley	domonokyl: well how do I get it ported exactly?
23:34:15	BBBradley	I'm needy today...
23:34:46	domonoky1	you take code out of a suitable standard c lib, modify it to yours and rockbox needs and add it... there is no magic shortway.
23:35:09	BBBradley	sounds painful but I guess there's no choice.
23:35:19	BBBradley	thanks for letting me vent
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23:44:23	bughunter2	rasher: formatting the device seemed to work
23:44:32	bughunter2	so probably even chkdsk was wrong :/
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23:47:30	BdN3504	why can i not use \reference and have to use \ref instead in tebles?
23:47:34	BdN3504	tables
23:48:59	bughunter2	hey, I just cleaned the Rockbox VMware image of all the vmware stuff (reset XF86Config4 back to normal as well),
23:49:17	bughunter2	would you want to host the virtualizer-neutral image as well?
23:49:29	bughunter2	I'm also making a VirtualBox version, maybe you also want to host that?
23:53:39	BdN3504	you rework the vmware image? the old one or the new one?
23:54:01	bughunter2	the latest one, afaik
23:55:05	BdN3504	so the one rasher posted on the forums?
23:55:22	bughunter2	not sure if it is the same one, I downloaded it from the wiki I think
23:56:13	BdN3504	check http://forums.rockbox.org/index.php?topic=21010.0 to see if some of the changes you were going to commit have already been taken care of.
23:56:24	bughunter2	I am not a committer
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23:56:54	BdN3504	well, the changes you were going to commit to your image
23:56:57	bughunter2	what I wanted was just to strip the VMware things off the image, and make both a 'neutral' image, and a 'virtualbox edition' image :)
23:57:14	bughunter2	I got it from here, anyway, http://mikachu.rockbox.org/Debian-4.7z
23:58:56	BdN3504	that's the old one. read the thread.

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