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| 00:07:49 | Zagor | do we really need this? http://www.rockbox.org/dl.cgi?bin=ipodvideo |
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| 00:13:05 | Zagor | also I'd like a list of hardcoded URLs in rbutil so I know what not to touch |
| 00:14:52 | pixelma | what do you mean with your question? Anything special about the Video or daily builds at all? |
| 00:16:11 | Zagor | I'm asking who is happy that we are keeping a month worth of daily builds. |
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| 00:20:59 | pixelma | I couldn't have guessed from the first question... I once found it useful for tracking down a bug but don't know how often that happens. But I also remember that there were a few occasions where a bug was introduced and people were pointed to use a daily build for the moment |
| 00:22:47 | Llorean | Zagor: Now that we have releases, as long as they stay in the 3-month cycle, I don't know if we need the dailies like we used to. |
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| 00:23:01 | Llorean | 3 months is "good enough" for having a relatively stable version someone can fall back to, I think |
| 00:24:47 | Zagor | can I imagine keeping one extra fallback in case the latest got broken. but we practically never have that critical bugs lasting more than 24 hours. |
| 00:25:00 | Zagor | I can |
| 00:25:39 | Zagor | and no, it's not a big burden the way it currenly is. it just feels ... unnecessary |
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| 00:32:19 | froggyman | how would I mount my hard drive in VMware, so I can access stuff I have downloaded through windows (like rockbox source, or patches) |
| 00:32:51 | froggyman | or maybe I am thinking of how to accesss, my promary HDD |
| 00:33:56 | froggyman | *primary |
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| 00:36:48 | moos | froggyman: Use samba, ie just go on windows explorer and go on \\debian\root |
| 00:37:17 | moos | froggyman: we have a well documented wiki too: http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/VMwareDevelopmentPlatform#File_sharing |
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| 02:23:14 | kugel | JdGordon: so the patch (to fix %V in the very first line) should actually be committed? |
| 02:23:41 | JdGordon | not in its current state.. unless you changed it since I last looked? |
| 02:23:48 | saratoga | kugel: is there some description of what all the recent work and JdGordon have done has changed? |
| 02:23:58 | saratoga | i don't follow the WPS stuff at all |
| 02:24:03 | JdGordon | I've been thinking about why its only wrong sometimes |
| 02:24:15 | JdGordon | saratoga: its all backend so not very interesting... |
| 02:24:19 | kugel | JdGordon: with some parenthesis added that is |
| 02:24:46 | JdGordon | I tihnk the correct way to do it is stop using <= with last_token_idx for sublines so we dont have to do this -1 thing at all.... |
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| 02:30:13 | kugel | saratoga: it's getting interesting with the custom statusbar patch which wasn't really possible before |
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| 02:30:59 | bughunter2 | if I recompile without USB_HANDLED_BY_OF (which actually is needed atm. for my player), and then use that rockbox binary, I can still boot the OF with the bootloader and be safe (i.e. use its USB capabilities), right? |
| 02:31:13 | saratoga | yes |
| 02:31:16 | bughunter2 | I'd say this is safe, but I want confirmation |
| 02:31:16 | JdGordon | kugel: I guess if that fixes the problem is worth doing as a band aid.. but yeah its not great |
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| 02:31:24 | bughunter2 | saratoga: thanks :) |
| 02:31:28 | saratoga | changes to rockbox have no effect on the bootloader unless you're changing that |
| 02:31:34 | bughunter2 | exactly my idea :) |
| 02:31:38 | saratoga | and generally we don't recommend playing with the bootloaders |
| 02:31:43 | bughunter2 | just had some fear =) |
| 02:31:49 | pixelma | it also gets interesting if the WPS doesn't work as expected anymore |
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| 02:35:48 | bughunter2 | what would happen if the OF isn't present, and there is no USB driver yet for the target.. then you'd have a bricked player if you remove the rockbox binary, right? :P |
| 02:40:29 | krazykit | depending on the target, there may be a recovery mode |
| 02:40:34 | kugel | JdGordon: _idx < 0 is a bug, no matter of whether you're checking with < or <= |
| 02:40:45 | bughunter2 | yeah, but it'd still be bricked :) |
| 02:40:47 | kugel | particularly because it's unsigned |
| 02:41:35 | bughunter2 | I removed USB_HANDLED_BY_OF and recompiled, rebooted RB, but as soon as I plug in the USB cable, the player reboots to the OF |
| 02:41:39 | bughunter2 | is this normal? |
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| 02:44:46 | saratoga | its possible your player doesn't use that define |
| 02:45:17 | bughunter2 | I just did a grep, and I'm not sure where/what I should change to change the behavior |
| 02:45:53 | kugel | what player, btw? |
| 02:45:56 | bughunter2 | e200v2 |
| 02:46:16 | kugel | that always reboots into the OF |
| 02:46:20 | bughunter2 | why? |
| 02:46:28 | kugel | because rockbox doesn't do USB on it |
| 02:46:35 | bughunter2 | I know that |
| 02:46:40 | bughunter2 | I was planning to try and write an USB driver |
| 02:46:44 | bughunter2 | hence my questions :) |
| 02:46:44 | kugel | you can go into charging by pressing select upin insertion |
| 02:48:15 | bughunter2 | what should I remove/add in the code to prevent RB from rebooting as soon as I insert the cable? |
| 02:48:50 | kugel | bughunter2: see usb.c line ~100 |
| 02:48:54 | bughunter2 | k |
| 02:49:10 | kugel | you need USE_ROCKBOX_USB to prevent that |
| 02:49:16 | bughunter2 | ah! |
| 02:49:31 | bughunter2 | so what is USB_HANDLED_BY_OF for? |
| 02:49:49 | kugel | dunno, that's possibly for older targets which hardware USB |
| 02:49:53 | bughunter2 | k |
| 02:49:53 | saratoga | grep and find out |
| 02:49:59 | kugel | or for targets that actually do USB |
| 02:50:02 | bughunter2 | yeah I did, wasn't sure |
| 02:50:04 | kugel | either way, not for AMS sansas |
| 02:50:15 | bughunter2 | it is defined in the AMS config file though |
| 02:50:30 | kugel | copy & paste laziness, as usual |
| 02:50:57 | bughunter2 | heh |
| 02:52:51 | * | bughunter2 discovers he wrote 'an USB driver' instead of 'a USB driver' |
| 02:54:54 | saratoga | it looks like the USB_HANDLED_BY_OF define is only used in the ipod1/2/3g |
| 02:55:53 | bughunter2 | ah |
| 02:56:24 | saratoga | i'll remove it from the others in a minute |
| 02:57:01 | bughunter2 | yeah, at first hand it seems likely it's the define you need |
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| 02:59:14 | bughunter2 | saratoga: while you're at it, typo in usb.c: 'USB_ROCKBOX_USB' -> 'USE_ROCKBOX_USB' (note the third char) |
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| 03:00:27 | kugel | saratoga: I'm thinking USB_HANDLED_BY_OF could be used instead of this kludgey #if defined(HAVE_USB_STACK) && !defined(USE_ROCKBOX_USB) |
| 03:01:01 | saratoga | kugel: ok then i'll leave it alone |
| 03:01:04 | kugel | I remember we had to to implement quite some stubts/basic usb code just for getting this simple reboot mechanism to work |
| 03:01:48 | saratoga | as far as I can tell its currently only used to enable or disable ROLO |
| 03:02:48 | saratoga | the current define might more properly be called "HAVE_ROLO" |
| 03:03:05 | kugel | that sounds strange to me indeed |
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| 03:20:29 | newbierock | hi every body i am trying to install rock box in my iriver 320 |
| 03:20:49 | newbierock | i have downloaded the rockbox utility |
| 03:21:06 | newbierock | but i need some help to proceed further |
| 03:21:14 | bughunter2 | what is the problem, traveler? |
| 03:21:23 | newbierock | all my efforts to install it has turned unsucessfull |
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| 03:53:59 | bughunter2 | he PM-ed me, helped him installing :) |
| 03:54:12 | bughunter2 | another rockboxer |
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| 06:49:21 | JdGordon | is there such a thing as strrcmp()? |
| 06:49:33 | JdGordon | i.e compare a string from the end of it? |
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| 06:55:37 | pixelma | JdGordon: is there a bug report along with the album art "technically" broken thread? |
| 06:55:55 | JdGordon | I don't believe so |
| 06:56:42 | pixelma | as I said I still see a problem that sounds related from your description - with r22668 |
| 06:57:56 | JdGordon | ah yeah, can you repeat it once more :) |
| 06:58:58 | pixelma | http://www.rockbox.org/irc/log-20090910#19:35:00 |
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| 07:00:36 | pixelma | that viewport is starting at y=0, got confused a bit |
| 07:01:25 | JdGordon | ok, I need the .wps and preferably the whole theme zip... |
| 07:01:25 | JdGordon | also, not a bad album that :) |
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| 07:16:41 | pixelma | JdGordon: I could only mail and even that is a bit of a PITA but I got a zip ready (left out icons and fonts as those are standard) |
| 07:17:10 | JdGordon | you have my email? |
| 07:18:33 | pixelma | same as in the ml? |
| 07:19:47 | JdGordon | yes |
| 07:24:25 | * | JdGordon sees how next dir is actually handled and cries |
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| 07:33:33 | Dhraakellian | does rbutil have some sort of filename/path length limit on .talk files? |
| 07:34:27 | * | JdGordon really wishes people wouldnt use the c200 :) |
| 07:34:41 | JdGordon | its so painful to use (even/especially in the sim) |
| 07:36:32 | JdGordon | pixelma: by the way.. if you care about battery life at all you shouldnt use hold to toggle AA... its drawn every pass |
| 07:38:45 | * | Dhraakellian hopes rbutil doesn't crap out on encoding the talk files again |
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| 07:40:13 | pixelma | JdGordon: it's good enough on the c200, also I don't think the c200 is painfull to use |
| 07:40:48 | * | JdGordon really hates debugging other people's .wps... |
| 07:40:52 | JdGordon | I cant read the damn things! :p |
| 07:41:58 | pixelma | I admit that this is a quite confusing one code wise but then it doesn't use bitmaps much etc. |
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| 07:53:08 | JdGordon | pixelma: is the debug output actually useful when making new skins? |
| 07:59:11 | pixelma | I seldom used it |
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| 08:03:27 | CIA-43 | New commit by jdgordon (r22672): Hopefully make the wps debug info more understandable... display tokens the same way they are displayed... i.e viewports->lines->sublines->tokens |
| 08:08:23 | JdGordon | did someone completly break the build system? |
| 08:08:45 | JdGordon | the sims apparently built checkwps instead of the sim! |
| 08:10:29 | * | JdGordon guesses r22669 by gevaerts |
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| 08:13:20 | Zagor | haha, nice |
| 08:14:51 | Dhraakellian | is it possible to get a voice file for the Fuze? |
| 08:16:09 | Zagor | Dhraakellian: yes, but there is no pre-built file on the site |
| 08:16:20 | Dhraakellian | hmm |
| 08:16:38 | Dhraakellian | not seeing any way to make one with rbutil |
| 08:16:39 | Dhraakellian | ! |
| 08:16:48 | Dhraakellian | I need to get it from svn, don't I? |
| 08:16:58 | Zagor | yes |
| 08:17:05 | Zagor | rbutil is for installing, not building |
| 08:17:26 | Dhraakellian | ah |
| 08:17:39 | Dhraakellian | used rbutil to generate talk files |
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| 08:18:38 | Zagor | ah right, I see how that can make it confusing |
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| 08:19:55 | Dhraakellian | Accessibility |
| 08:19:56 | Dhraakellian | Create voicefile |
| 08:19:58 | Dhraakellian | −− http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/RockboxUtility |
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| 08:22:19 | Zagor | aha, I didn't know that. "Voice file creation is now possible with rbutil." since 2008-02-19. |
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| 08:22:44 | Dhraakellian | so I'd need rbutil from svn (with Fuze support)? |
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| 08:23:12 | Zagor | Dhraakellian: I guess so, yes |
| 08:23:27 | Dhraakellian | or does the actual target not matter so much as the rbutil version matching the Rockbox version? |
| 08:24:57 | Dhraakellian | hmm... with tools/configure |
| 08:25:01 | Dhraakellian | Advanced > Voice? |
| 08:25:23 | * | Dhraakellian shrugs and tries it, assuming that a make clean can heal all |
| 08:26:01 | Dhraakellian | or a make clean of some sort |
| 08:35:00 | Zagor | are you building from svn now anyway? |
| 08:36:15 | Dhraakellian | yeah |
| 08:36:28 | Dhraakellian | due to a one-liner Sudoku keybinding patch |
| 08:36:57 | Zagor | if so, choose Advanced > Voice in tools/configure and then run "make voice" |
| 08:37:08 | Dhraakellian | aah |
| 08:37:30 | Zagor | it's not exactly intuitive, I know :) |
| 08:37:42 | Dhraakellian | thanks |
| 08:38:01 | * | Dhraakellian foresees his driving becoming a little less dangerous |
| 08:40:51 | CIA-43 | New commit by zagor (r22673): Checkwps builds must have unique build IDs. |
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| 08:42:29 | JdGordon | as much as I hate to do this... (and seen as .eu should be mostly awake by now....) someone decide on the release schedule... |
| 08:42:59 | Zagor | freeze on sunday, isn't it? |
| 08:43:17 | JdGordon | is it? |
| 08:43:17 | Dhraakellian | mv english.voice /path/to/DAP/.rockbox/langs |
| 08:43:19 | Dhraakellian | ? |
| 08:44:31 | Zagor | JdGordon: well 3.3 was released june 19, so if 3.4 is to go out sept 19 and we have a week freeze prior to that, that's ... actually tomorrow :) |
| 08:45:30 | JdGordon | tomoroow is only the 11th :) |
| 08:46:03 | Zagor | CET is the reference! :) |
| 08:47:04 | JdGordon | not monty python? |
| 08:47:09 | Zagor | lookie lookie, checkwps builds. and a honking big table! |
| 08:47:25 | JdGordon | holy crap! |
| 08:48:38 | JdGordon | grr... c200 failure is the usual target name inconsistancy :/ |
| 08:48:49 | Zagor | yes. fixing... |
| 08:49:29 | Zagor | iaudio too |
| 08:49:37 | JdGordon | can you remove the player checkwps? I dont think there is any point having it |
| 08:49:39 | JdGordon | or fixing it |
| 08:50:02 | Zagor | ok |
| 08:50:10 | JdGordon | sweet :) |
| 08:50:17 | * | JdGordon -> bed |
| 08:50:43 | Zagor | I recommend 11th, it's nice here |
| 08:55:13 | CIA-43 | New commit by zagor (r22674): Fixed some checkwps target names (sansa, iaudio and ipod4g). |
| 08:55:55 | CIA-43 | New commit by zagor (r22675): Removed checkwps.player |
| 08:59:44 | amiconn | Weird way to fix problems... |
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| 09:00:53 | Zagor | has checkwps ever been built for player? |
| 09:02:03 | amiconn | I don't know; I never used checkwps for any target so far |
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| 09:03:10 | amiconn | But imo it makes sense to keep code unified wherever possible. It would save a lot of "fix Player" commits |
| 09:04:04 | Zagor | indeed. but the autobuild list is not a todo list. if ever checkwps.player is fixed up, I'm happy to add it. but having a target that can never be green is pointless. |
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| 09:11:11 | amiconn | hmmok |
| 09:11:22 | * | amiconn might even go ahead and fix it soon |
| 09:11:31 | Zagor | excellent |
| 09:17:54 | pixelma | freeze was 2 weeks ahead, branch was 1 week |
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| 09:18:05 | pixelma | usually |
| 09:18:19 | Zagor | aha. so we're late. |
| 09:19:46 | CIA-43 | New commit by zagor (r22676): Hide all-green builds. |
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| 09:23:55 | robin0800 | JdGordon: last nights patch would not install, if you want me to test? please repaste |
| 09:24:43 | Zagor | robin0800: he just went to bed |
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| 10:31:30 | * | gevaerts promises to be more careful when breaking the build system next time |
| 10:31:54 | Zagor | it was fixed too easily? :) |
| 10:33:02 | gevaerts | exactly :) |
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| 10:40:35 | pcc1 | pamaury: I still could not get SendObjectInfo to work yesterday. it seemed to be crashing at the mkdir call. I pushed my work to the repository, branch "mtp-experimental" |
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| 10:51:04 | pamaury | Why mkdir ? You are creating a folder ? |
| 10:51:50 | pcc1 | yes |
| 10:52:10 | pamaury | why ? SendObjectInfo is useful to create a file no ? |
| 10:52:59 | pcc1 | yes, but that requires implementation of SendObjectInfo and SendObject. I figured I would first of all test the trivial case of creating a directory which only requires SendObjectInfo |
| 10:54:26 | pamaury | ah ok. Did you call mkdir or dircache_mkdir ? |
| 10:55:42 | pcc1 | mkdir |
| 10:56:24 | pamaury | I think you should call dircache_rmkdir. Otherwize, dircache will not be aware of this new folder |
| 10:56:51 | pcc1 | it looks like dircache_mkdir only creates the dircache entry, nothing else |
| 10:57:58 | pamaury | Then call both |
| 10:58:20 | pcc1 | and if dircache is enabled, mkdir is aliased to mkdir_cached which calls mkdir and dircache_mkdir |
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| 11:03:16 | pamaury | Then call mkdir_cached |
| 11:03:54 | pcc1 | "mkdir is aliased to mkdir_cached" |
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| 11:06:06 | pamaury | Ah sorry :) |
| 11:06:22 | pamaury | Are you sure it's the mkdir call which fail ? |
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| 11:07:56 | pcc1 | I put logf statements before and after the mkdir call, and was monitoring the logf output. the last couple of lines were from before the mkdir call |
| 11:08:53 | pcc1 | there is also a conditional after the mkdir that calls fail_op_with on failure. I didn't see the logf from that either |
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| 11:15:15 | pamaury | That's strange, are you sure your call to mkdir make sense ? (that is the argument is correct). Perhaps the implementation |
| 11:15:30 | pamaury | of mkdir is buggy |
| 11:16:42 | pamaury | I leave for a minute |
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| 11:21:41 | pcc1 | I can't see what is wrong with my call. have you read my code? |
| 11:22:27 | pcc1 | perhaps you can try running the code on your device? |
| 11:24:52 | pamaury | I'll try this. You created a new branch, how do I retrieve it ? |
| 11:26:22 | pcc1 | once you have done a "git pull" type "git checkout <remote>/mtp-experimental" where <remote> is your remote name for my repo |
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| 11:30:50 | pamaury | Which command you used to test it ? |
| 11:31:07 | pamaury | mtp-newfolder ? |
| 11:32:03 | pcc1 | I used gphoto2 −−shell and mkdir |
| 11:36:05 | pamaury | I got the same error, it freeze for several seconds and print Stokv usb |
| 11:37:01 | pcc1 | do you get the same result in logf output? |
| 11:37:44 | pamaury | I rebooted it, it printed that it received the sendobjectinfo and then nothing |
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| 11:38:36 | pcc1 | hm, I get further than that. how are you viewing output, via usb or onscreen? |
| 11:39:40 | pcc1 | (onscreen for me) |
| 11:40:34 | pamaury | onscreen. perhaps it printed other thing, i can't remember |
| 11:40:42 | pamaury | (it prints lots of thing before of course) |
| 11:41:04 | pcc1 | yes, I had to disable the screen clear to be able to read all of the output |
| 11:42:44 | pcc1 | I wanted to confirm that it crashes at the same point. the last line before the mkdir is "about to made the file l2" |
| 11:44:43 | pamaury | I trying it once again |
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| 11:46:14 | pamaury | mtp: send object info: stor_id=0x10001 obj_handle_parent=0xFFFFFFFF |
| 11:46:17 | pamaury | 2nd msg |
| 11:46:26 | pamaury | stor_id=65537, obj_handle_parent=-1 |
| 11:46:50 | pamaury | (eof) |
| 11:47:48 | pcc1 | hm, I received some further messages just before it crashed |
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| 11:50:23 | pcc1 | well, maybe if you have time you could try to find the bug |
| 11:50:44 | pcc1 | I am concerned that it may be something fundamental like "mkdir was not designed to be called from the usb thread" |
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| 11:52:52 | pamaury | Perhaps |
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| 11:53:16 | pamaury | I don't have much time now but I'll look at it |
| 11:54:10 | pcc1 | ok, thanks |
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| 12:10:12 | pcc1 | does anyone know where to get technical documentation for the "ARC USBOTG Device Controller"? the driver source code (firmware/target/arm/usb-drv-arc.c) makes reference to a "manual" which I was not able to find |
| 12:11:11 | pamaury | I have it, I already asked for it on this channel some time ago. I'll try to find the link someone posted |
| 12:13:45 | pamaury | http://www.christian-gmeiner.info/soc/MCIMX31RM.pdf |
| 12:16:11 | pcc1 | got it, thanks |
| 12:17:13 | pcc1 | pamaury: btw, was the device you were testing with also using an ARC? |
| 12:17:20 | pamaury | yes |
| 12:17:42 | pamaury | it's a sansa e200 |
| 12:18:01 | pcc1 | hm, there may be a bug in the driver, but I don't know if it's related to the crashing bug |
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| 12:18:57 | pcc1 | the bug seems to be: the driver doesn't see the second of two consecutive packets (or something like that) |
| 12:20:30 | pcc1 | anyway, going now, talk to you again |
| 12:21:08 | pamaury | talk to gevaerts for this |
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| 12:51:39 | fml | Hello. I'm on Ubuntu 8.04. I have pulled the USB cable of my sansa e200 without unmounting. Now, when I connect it to the PC the file system is read only. What can I do to make it writable again? |
| 12:51:59 | fml | ^ file system on the player, I mean |
| 12:54:15 | krazykit | fml, fsck the filesystem from the command line |
| 12:57:55 | fml | fsck displays: The superblock could not be read or does not describe a correct ext2 filesystem. That's correct since it's a FAT. How can I tell that it's FAT? |
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| 13:01:47 | Torne | use fsck.vfat |
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| 13:06:38 | fml | Torne: do I have to specify the device name as the parameter (how can I find it out)? Or the path under which the player is mounted? |
| 13:07:31 | Torne | it has to be unmounted |
| 13:07:35 | Torne | and you need the device name |
| 13:09:30 | fml | Torne: ok. But how can I find out the device name? There are many of them in /dev: sda, sda1 to 4, sdb, sdc, sdc1 etc. |
| 13:10:06 | Torne | run just "mount" to see what's mounted where |
| 13:12:51 | fml | Torne: aha! Now it works. But: "There are differences between boot sector and its backup" What should I do: copy original to backup, backup to original or nothing? |
| 13:16:26 | CIA-43 | New commit by vitja (r22677): iaudio7: keymap, fix some "sticky" keys |
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| 13:19:06 | Torne | fml: before you do anything, make sure you have backups of anything on the player you care about, including your rockbox config |
| 13:19:31 | Torne | it sounds like it might be reasonably messed up, and fsck may well delete data in the course of repairing it |
| 13:21:24 | fml | Torne: sure! Thanks for the warning. I somehow went through. One file was corrupted. I deleted it and now I can write again. Thanks! |
| 13:21:36 | Torne | Good stuff |
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| 14:13:00 | robin0800 | JdGordon: In your debugwps commit did you forget Vd or is it dificult to impliment |
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| 14:22:50 | JoCo | Hello |
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| 14:32:47 | kugel | gah |
| 14:32:56 | kugel | can we have a switch show all builds? |
| 14:33:01 | kugel | Zagor: ^ |
| 14:33:20 | kugel | I used the build page for downloading samsung&fuze builds regularly |
| 14:33:28 | Zagor | I'll add a link to the full table soon |
| 14:34:22 | kugel | cool |
| 14:41:27 | JoCo | has anyone done anything in the way of using a pc keyboard with an ipod? |
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| 14:48:29 | bughunter2 | kugel: hey, I was just looking at usb-tcc.c, the indentation at line 192 and 197 is a bit odd, I think there may be an error there, can you have a look? |
| 14:57:37 | kugel | I don't think so |
| 14:58:08 | bughunter2 | how come? the indentation suggests the DEBUG at line 197 belongs to the while, for example |
| 14:58:17 | bughunter2 | but there is no opening brace at line 195 |
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| 15:03:29 | tkooda | I'm unable to get *.talk files working in rb3.2.. I've for a dir named "mydir" I tried "mydir.talk" and "mydir/mydir.talk" and "mydir/.talk" and "mydir/.mydir.talk", and have "Use Directory .talk Clips"==Yes, and have tried all three settings of "Off", "Numbers", and "Spell" for the "Voice Directories". my *.talk clips are wav files. -anyone got any idea what I'm doing wrong? |
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| 15:12:37 | GodEater__ | tkooda: yes - we don't do wav format .talk files anymore - we use speex |
| 15:14:24 | tkooda | k, thanks. will try converting them |
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| 15:19:27 | tkooda | no luck with speex *.talk files. what should I name them if I have a dir named "mydir/" and a file named "mydir/myfile.mp3" if I'd like a speex ".talk" file to speak the names for each? |
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| 15:20:53 | Torne | is inserting stuff into the playlist supposed to rebuffer? |
| 15:21:47 | Torne | if i'm on the last track in the playlist and do Insert Last on another file, it doesn't update the Next: indicator int he WPS and it doesn't buffer it either. |
| 15:22:04 | Torne | so when the track ends i have to wait for the disk to spin up before the music carries on |
| 15:24:21 | Zagor | definitely a bug |
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| 15:25:37 | Torne | i've had it do similar things in other conditions as well |
| 15:25:42 | Torne | i do Insert Random a lot |
| 15:26:00 | Torne | (inserting an entire folder randomly into a playlist with more tracks to go) |
| 15:26:14 | Torne | and it often manages to end up with the wrong next track showing and having to rebuffer. |
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| 15:27:23 | gevaerts | tkooda: I seem to vaguely remember that while .talk files are indeed compressed with speex, they are not standard speex files. There are some tools to generate the right files, but I don't know how they work... |
| 15:28:27 | gevaerts | tkooda: which player are you using? |
| 15:28:41 | GodEater__ | I would have a hunt on the wiki |
| 15:28:57 | GodEater__ | I think "standard" speex files are wrapped in an ogg container, and we don't bother with that, we just use "raw" speex. |
| 15:29:01 | tkooda | gevaerts, toshiba gigabeat f40 |
| 15:29:24 | tkooda | can `speexenc` generate "raw speex" files? |
| 15:29:30 | gevaerts | ok. I'm asking because the old archos players are different in that regard |
| 15:29:52 | GodEater__ | I don't think it can |
| 15:29:52 | tkooda | what unix command can convert a wav to the needed speex file? |
| 15:30:10 | GodEater__ | tkooda: please have another look in the wiki, I'm sure this is documented there |
| 15:30:12 | tkooda | rb3.2 is able to play my *.spx files just fine? |
| 15:30:16 | gevaerts | I think there's one in the rockbox sourse tree |
| 15:30:31 | tkooda | GodEater__, I've looked for hours* in the wiki and through the mailing list to no avail |
| 15:30:34 | GodEater__ | yes, the playback engine in Rockbox allows normal speex files |
| 15:30:45 | GodEater__ | but the playback engine is not voice |
| 15:30:51 | tkooda | k |
| 15:32:08 | tkooda | gevaerts, there's some util to try to auto-generate a bunch of .talk files, but I'm unable to find any docs (or even a clear mention of?) what to name the ".talk" files, and/or how one can generate one* from a wav (or other) file.. ? |
| 15:32:32 | gevaerts | tkooda: I found rbspeexenc in the source. It think that's what you need |
| 15:32:45 | tkooda | gevaerts, I'll take a look, thanks |
| 15:32:47 | * | gevaerts has never actually used voice, so he really can't help much further than that |
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| 15:33:07 | GodEater__ | well that sucks |
| 15:33:17 | GodEater__ | the bloody Voice wiki page still says they're .mp3 |
| 15:33:55 | GodEater__ | and this was changed well over a year ago |
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| 15:35:21 | GodEater__ | 2007-11-18 |
| 15:35:22 | tkooda | can anyone give me any clues about what to name the spx file? -given "mydir/" and "mydir/myfile.mp3" ? |
| 15:35:33 | GodEater__ | it should still be called .talk |
| 15:35:38 | tkooda | mydir/dirname.talk ? |
| 15:35:45 | tkooda | or mydir/.talk ? |
| 15:35:45 | GodEater__ | yes |
| 15:35:52 | tkooda | k, mydir/dirname.talk |
| 15:37:05 | GodEater__ | I'm pretty sure rbspeexenc is the right tool to generate it |
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| 15:39:59 | tkooda | rbspeexenc compiles and generates a file w/out error.. -can't seem to get rb to play it when I name it "mydir/dirname.talk" and have "Use Directory .talk Clips"==Yes and have tried all three settings of "Off", "Numbers", and "Spell" for the "Voice Directories". |
| 15:44:17 | GodEater__ | hmmmm |
| 15:44:32 | GodEater__ | it's been a very long time since I've played with voice personally |
| 15:44:42 | GodEater__ | your best bet is to hang around a bit longer and wait for some other people to turn up |
| 15:44:47 | GodEater__ | I think Llorean uses it a lot |
| 15:46:55 | JoCo | I am interested in making an adapter for a PS2 keyboard and the ipod, I can do the electronics but I am not to familiar with C, for this reason I need some help implementing the keyboard with rockbox |
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| 15:49:05 | tkooda | got it! -for dir named "mydir/", it requires a "raw speex" file inside it named (exactly) "_dirname.talk". (e.g. `rbspeexenc My_Dir.wav .../mydir/_dirname.talk`) |
| 15:49:11 | tkooda | thanks for yer help guys |
| 15:51:11 | JoCo | where is the file for handling the serial communication? |
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| 15:56:45 | Torne | JoCo: firmware/drivers/serial.c |
| 15:56:55 | Torne | it's kinda tied in with the IAP support though, for ipod |
| 15:58:15 | JoCo | thanx |
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| 16:39:00 | amiconn | GodEater: Fyi - .talk files never were in .wav format. They were (and for hwcodec still are) in .mp3 format |
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| 16:54:18 | n1s | that reminds me that the buildsystem still creates .mp3 files for the voice clips even if they're actually speex |
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| 17:19:44 | amiconn | Is that an issue at all? These are just tempfiles... |
| 17:20:06 | n1s | amiconn: not really an issue, just wrong :) |
| 17:20:26 | amiconn | For hwcodec they are mp3 files |
| 17:20:43 | n1s | yes, but not for swcodec |
| 17:21:12 | n1s | i know it has confused someone at some point at least |
| 17:22:26 | n1s | maybe we should just call them .tmp or something |
| 17:22:55 | n1s | unrelated: are we releasing in september? if so when do we freeze? |
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| 17:29:00 | GodEater__ | n1s: when it gets cold enough |
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| 17:33:32 | pixelma | GodEater__: as far as I know the easiest way to create .talk files is using RBUtil... (and you can browse to specific folders and it will just create .talk files for that |
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| 18:03:59 | JohnTeddy | So I copied over like 40 gigs last night, to my new ipod with rockbox. I just got every beatles album remastered, maybe a gig. How can I sync my 'music' directory on my laptop, with 'music' on rockbox, without copying over all the other crap I already did. If there are lots of changes to my music on laptop, this could be difficult. |
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| 18:04:27 | JohnTeddy | This isn't a rockbox question, but a GNU/Linux userland software question, about syncing data between x and rockbox. |
| 18:06:38 | Torne | rsync |
| 18:07:09 | Torne | also see http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/UsefulTools#Jukebox_Synchronization |
| 18:07:12 | robin0800 | JohnTeddy: sync toy for windows |
| 18:11:14 | JdGordon | JohnTeddy: this is a rockbox support/discussion channel... it has *NOTHING* to do with gnu/linux in any way.... rockbox shows up as just a regular external disk so syncing to it is totally irrlevant |
| 18:11:28 | JohnTeddy | Thanks Torne, I appreciate the help |
| 18:11:54 | JohnTeddy | JdGordon: You're repeating what I said sherlock. |
| 18:13:05 | evilnick | JohnTeddy: #rockbox-community is a better place to ask questions that are not directly related to Rockbox. |
| 18:13:07 | JdGordon | then if you know its not a rockbox question why would you even ask? and rudeness will get you booted quick smart |
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| 18:15:41 | JohnTeddy | If the answer is on rockbox.org , seems roughly related. |
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| 18:23:49 | robin0800 | JdGordon: debugwps still see numbers instead of labels for Vd |
| 18:30:50 | n1s | JohnTeddy: the wiki holds quite a bit of loosely related stuff to be helpful but that doesn't mean they shoukd be discussed here |
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| 18:52:58 | gevaerts | Anyone here who knows how checkwps works? Is FS #10598 sensible? |
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| 19:16:51 | paulk_ | Hello, is it possible to print a variable in a rb->splash ? |
| 19:17:19 | paulk_ | (I want rb->splash to show the var at screen) |
| 19:17:38 | JdGordon| | splashf does that no? |
| 19:18:23 | paulk_ | maybe, I don't know C and the rockbox functions very well, i'm just having fun with it :) |
| 19:18:27 | paulk_ | Thank you |
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| 19:33:26 | gevaerts | Does anyone happen to have a Player with charged batteries handy? I have a suspicion that wps loading doesn't work on it anymore since r22350 |
| 19:34:09 | JdGordon| | further proof that port should die! |
| 19:35:41 | JdGordon| | serisouly if it can go nearly a month with something that major being broken and noone notices... I'd say we can give up on it |
| 19:36:40 | gevaerts | it just means people aren't tracking trunk on it. I'd expect most Player users to be happy with the release |
| 19:38:01 | JdGordon| | anyway, why do you tihnk its all broken? (without pasting code....) |
| 19:39:35 | gevaerts | there's of course the checkwps build failure, but that gets fixed with FS #10598. After that, the memory allocation is just way too low, due to your estimates using LCD_WIDTH and LCD_HEIGHT, which aren't exactly huge on charcell |
| 19:40:06 | gevaerts | I'm considering the easy fix of just multiplying that by 40 (assuming 8x5 chars) to approach bitmap values |
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| 19:42:16 | JdGordon| | AH right... thats the wrong fix though |
| 19:42:40 | JdGordon| | it shuold be closer to sizeof(struct skin_token)*LCD_WIDTH*LCD_HEIGHT or something |
| 19:43:45 | gevaerts | hm yes. It doesn't need room for bitmaps... |
| 19:44:13 | JdGordon| | no bitmaps, grogressbar is part of the struct, so just room for tokens and some trings |
| 19:45:43 | JdGordon| | strings* |
| 19:45:57 | JdGordon| | maybe some viewports... |
| 19:46:20 | JdGordon| | whcih shuld be plenty with the above line |
| 19:47:19 | gevaerts | the heaviest wps in the zip needs 2400 bytes, the smaller one needs 2300. |
| 19:49:18 | JdGordon| | for player? that sounds wrong |
| 19:49:55 | gevaerts | that's what playing with SKIN_BUFFER_SIZE in checkwps tells me |
| 19:51:52 | JdGordon| | sizeof(token) is about 12 bytes iirc yeah? |
| 19:52:06 | JdGordon| | 12*20*2 is still way too low... hmmm |
| 19:52:18 | gevaerts | 16 for checkwps. I don't know about target |
| 19:52:20 | JdGordon| | oh, right, the line/sublines are the biggies |
| 19:52:47 | gevaerts | (LCD_HEIGHT * LCD_WIDTH) * 64 + (WPS_MAX_TOKENS * sizeof(struct wps_token)) |
| 19:52:50 | gevaerts | seems to be enough |
| 19:53:25 | JdGordon| | just make it hadcoded to 3000 bytes..... ideally WPS_MAX_* will be removed |
| 19:54:40 | gevaerts | yes, but it's still there now |
| 19:54:47 | JdGordon| | is width 8 or 20? I cant remember? |
| 19:55:25 | gevaerts | 11 |
| 19:55:28 | * | JdGordon| decides to let gevaerts do what he wants here.... back to work! |
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| 19:58:17 | CIA-43 | New commit by gevaerts (r22679): re-add checkwps for the Player, in preparation of the commit that actually fixes building it |
| 19:58:23 | CIA-43 | New commit by gevaerts (r22680): Fix checkwps compilation for the Player |
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| 20:02:59 | CIA-43 | New commit by gevaerts (r22681): Increase skin buffer on charcell displays so it's actually big enough to load a wps file |
| 20:06:00 | bertrik | bughunter2, sometimes it's better and more gratifying to start from scratch instead from half-finished and buggy existing code |
| 20:06:11 | bughunter2 | aye |
| 20:06:38 | bughunter2 | bertrik: I've got the AS3525 datasheet and the CS5536 |
| 20:06:40 | bertrik | I'm not trying to disrespect funman's work on it, just an observation |
| 20:06:45 | bughunter2 | I understand |
| 20:06:54 | bughunter2 | though, I'm not really sure where to begin |
| 20:06:59 | bughunter2 | (this is the first USB driver I am writing) |
| 20:07:08 | bughunter2 | so things like endpoints etc. are a bit unclear and vague |
| 20:07:38 | bughunter2 | I need to read up on the concepts, I guess, but how to know what exactly is important? :) |
| 20:08:33 | gevaerts | bughunter2: http://www.beyondlogic.org/usbnutshell/ could be helpful |
| 20:08:39 | bughunter2 | thanks |
| 20:08:39 | JdGordon| | bertrik: unless of course the buggy half finished one is your own and you are coming back after a month or two :p that really sucks :p |
| 20:08:48 | bughunter2 | lol |
| 20:09:40 | * | gevaerts decides that this 700 bytes delta actually belongs to JdGordon| :) |
| 20:09:50 | JdGordon| | nope! |
| 20:09:53 | JdGordon| | its all yours! |
| 20:10:22 | * | bughunter2 nabs a copy of the usb 2.0 standard |
| 20:10:34 | bughunter2 | it's fun though, to read up on new things |
| 20:11:42 | bertrik | bughunter2, you only really need to understand a relatively small part of the USB spec, I recommend to read the link gevaerts gave first before reading the spec |
| 20:11:49 | bughunter2 | k |
| 20:12:12 | * | JdGordon| thinks the new build table is just wierd! |
| 20:12:40 | gevaerts | JdGordon|: you can make it as wide as it originally was if you want to :) |
| 20:12:51 | JdGordon| | haha, ok i iwll! |
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| 20:27:17 | * | gevaerts wonders if it would be possible to pad/align the wps datastructures and data so that they have the same size in checkwps as on target, and then make checkwps tell people if they are over budget, and by how much |
| 20:32:12 | bughunter2 | bertrik: parts of the code are now making sense :) |
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| 20:32:39 | bughunter2 | my initial guesses weren't far off |
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| 20:38:04 | JdGordon| | gevaerts: probably not worth the effort |
| 20:40:57 | bluebrother | we got a condensed buildround output or is something wrong with it? |
| 20:41:17 | JdGordon| | it now hides any green columns |
| 20:41:31 | JdGordon| | because gevaerts was silly and added checkwps which added another 40 cols |
| 20:41:35 | bluebrother | ok, that's what I wanted to have confirmed. |
| 20:41:43 | gevaerts | Zagor has promised a link to the full table Real Soon |
| 20:43:25 | * | bluebrother wonders if it would be nicer to have the output multirow −− i.e. something like "0 / 1 / 0 / 0" for bootloader / build / sim / checkwps for each player |
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| 22:41:26 | froggyman | on the wiki under VMware devolpment it mentions filesharing between Windows and the Debian image with Samba, how do I access that so I can get to regular directories that are setup in windows (like C:/rockbox ) |
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| 22:44:05 | rasher | It's a one-way thing. |
| 22:44:13 | rasher | And not a rockbox issue. |
| 22:45:08 | froggyman | but I am trying to access, say my SVN that I have setup in windows, so I can compile it on VMware |
| 22:45:39 | gevaerts | both systems are networked together |
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| 22:59:00 | bluebrother | froggyman: you shouldn't do that. svn has some minor (but possibly problematic) differences between windows and linux. One thing is line endings. |
| 22:59:15 | gevaerts | even more fun if the versions are different |
| 22:59:27 | bluebrother | yeah, that's a "nice" one too. |
| 22:59:52 | * | bluebrother had version differences on the same machine. Now that's fun :) |
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| 23:00:03 | froggyman | ok, well, I mainly want to be able to convert some wiktionary dumps |
| 23:01:04 | bluebrother | if samba is running in the VM, figure its IP and access it as \\<ip>\ from Windows Explorer. |
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| 23:28:52 | MeMyselfNI | Hi, a n00b question: I am trying out rockbox on fuze (and new to both). I know that it is not supported but is there a manual (or which manual comes closest to it)? |
| 23:30:30 | JdGordon| | the e200 is probably closests |
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| 23:30:44 | JdGordon| | except the hoome button doesnt work the same way as power on the e200 |
| 23:30:59 | MeMyselfNI | thx, JdGordon |
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| 23:31:35 | MeMyselfNI | Also, I assume that the automated updates via rockbox utility won't work for unsupported versions...? |
| 23:31:46 | bughunter2 | not yet for the fuze, at least |
| 23:32:26 | bughunter2 | but unsupported usually means they're not supported in the rockbox utility either |
| 23:34:16 | MeMyselfNI | thx again. I have a bunch of questions but I should go through the e200 manual first and check to see if I'd get answers before bugging y'all :) |
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| 23:46:43 | MeMyselfNI | If I xfer files to sansa fuze, would it not show up under 'Files' after I update the database? The folders are there and I can see the files from the computer but the folders are empty in rockbox |
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| 23:52:42 | MeMyselfNI | Or is it a bug? |
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