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#rockbox log for 2009-09-12

00:01:20MeMyselfNITorne: Where do I find the settings for the supported files?
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00:03:18TorneMeMyselfNI: file settings, or in the quickscreen
00:03:20Tornesee manual
00:03:54LinuxMafiadoes rockbox supports SanDisk Sansa Connect/Fuse?
00:04:24MeMyselfNIit is unsupported
00:04:43MeMyselfNIi am running the dev version
00:05:00LinuxMafiaso what you guys suggesting me to buy
00:05:20LinuxMafiai wanna buy mp3 player + video
00:07:12MeMyselfNII am a n00b myself but see this page:">
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00:09:07MeMyselfNILinuxMafia: check this:">
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01:34:04z35I have used rockbox on the archos jb rec for great long while now and just got a sansa clip, Just wondering about the stability of svn on the sansa clip (v2)
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01:44:35TruG33Kdoes anyone know if there's any info on the rockbox site for getting started developing for rockbox?
01:46:01JdGordon_there is a bit in the wiki...
01:46:07JdGordon_wat are you interested in?
01:47:51TruG33Kmainly with the recent dual bootloader for the nano 2G, I was hoping I might be able to contribute to finishing porting rockbox to it
01:48:36TruG33Kso really any info would help
01:48:37JdGordon_there is no bootloader or port for the nano2g.... it is very very very very early in development
01:49:07JdGordon_last I heard all it was is a way to run code, and a lcd driver.... nothing more?
01:49:53TruG33Kjust a few days ago the linux4nano group got a fully working dual bootloader
01:50:00JdGordon_says who?
01:50:17JdGordon_TheSeven: want to tell them whats what?
01:51:19TheSevenwell, the truth is somewhere in between
01:51:50TheSevenwe have a fully-working bootloader (besides one lcd type that's giving trouble, but that's only visual messup), but it's not the rockbox one
01:52:09TheSevenrockbox drivers are still to be done (at least most of them), but we have example code for most hardware
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01:53:02Presencecould apple change the encryption key thingie if a nano 2g were connected to like itunes for an update?
01:53:11TruG33Kwell I'm looking to try to help with any rockbox dev work I can
01:53:16TheSeventhe hackaday report is exaggerating that a lot, though, especially it soulds like there was already a fully-featured linux port for it
01:53:30Presencehackaday exaggerates their posts? NO WAI. :)
01:53:43TheSevenPresence: not that we know of. AFAIK it's an unchangable key implemented as a hardware mask
01:54:12PresenceWow, thats kinda nifty then.
01:54:20TheSevenTruG33K: have any experience in implementing such stuff (like drivers)?
01:55:23TruG33KI've done a bit of low level driver stuff, and can generally get around a spec sheet if I have one
01:56:14TruG33KI'm not thinking I'm going to be able to contribute much, at least not at first
01:56:25JdGordon_TruG33K: probably best bet is to have a look at the bug and patch tracker... and stick around here and the forums
01:56:50TruG33KI'm just trying to gather as much info as I can so that I can start poking around with my nano
01:57:23TheSevenwhat the 2g port currently needs most is a rockbox expert, I think, as linuxstb seems to be on vacation and I don't really have a clue about rockbox internals
01:57:24JdGordon_get the source code... build it and use it, then fix any annoyances you come across :)
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01:58:21TruG33Kyeah I figured that was the best I was gonna get, but I figured I'd ask just in case there's a bit more info to help me get started
01:58:22TheSevenwell, he will first need to at implement a lot of things before he'll be bugged by usual annoyances
01:59:14JdGordon_of course
01:59:18PresenceI'm kinda curious: would rockbox even WANT to touch the nano 2G with its encryption thingie... is there concern that apple would be pissy about encroaching on their encrpyted turf? go all DMCA or something?
01:59:23TheSevenTruG33K: I would suggest flicking through"> and trying to find out how all this works
01:59:25*JdGordon_ stupidly thught nano there meant nano g1
01:59:49JdGordon_Presence: we wouldnt if we dont need to
02:00:14TheSevenPresence: a port for it was already started, and I don't think apple could do much about it
02:00:31Presencecool, trippy.
02:00:46TheSevenin fact, we're not infringing any copyrights, and there is this "reverse engineering for interoperability" exception in the DMCA
02:01:07TheSevenI'm not a lawyer, though...
02:01:10JdGordon_DMCA? who cares about that... the project is hosted in sweden
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02:04:04TheSevenJdGordon_: well, I just wanted to state that not even the DMCA does care
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02:04:14TheSeven(at least from how I interpret it)
02:05:24TheSevenShould I move a general "how to boot/test rockbox builds on nano2" discussion over to our channels, or does it belong in here?
02:06:23TruG33Kwell it is about rockbox
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02:08:26TruG33Kat least I don't see how it wouldn't be appropriate discussion ;-)
02:08:47TheSevenwell, it's a little clutter for the logs and probably not interesting for too many people
02:09:10TheSevenbut if nobody tells us to move this to #linux4nano I'll stay here
02:10:28mtShouldn't a52_decode_data() be moved to liba52(/a52.c for example) ?
02:13:59mtlinuxstb: ^ ?
02:14:15TheSevenmt: linuxstb hasn't said anything since weeks now
02:14:40mtTheSeven: Just trying my luck. :)
02:15:15TheSevenTruG33K: there are basically 2 ways to bootstrap rockbox right now. Either do it through iLoader, or through iBugger, which will add some debugging facilities. Both require slight modifications to the code, though, in order to work properly in their respective environment
02:18:05TruG33Kyeah I'll probably want to make use of iBugger
02:18:53TheSevenif we're clean, we should implement a DEBUG define properly to be able to build both
02:19:13TruG33Kcause I'll probably make a fair few mistakes that I'll be able to figure out from debugging it
02:19:18TheSevenright now, I don't think the default nano2g build will run in either of them
02:19:45TheSevenTruG33K: Well, iBugger just has very basic functionality on the PC side
02:20:01TheSeventhe ipod side could do a lot more, but a PC part would need to be written for that
02:20:34TheSevenbut it's nice for i.e. just replacing the binary without the need for rebooting, or having a look where something is getting stuck in an endless loop
02:20:53TheSevenand it will catch the different kinds of abort conditions that may happen on that processor
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02:23:45TheSevenTruG33K: if you need it, I may send you a patch that's nowhere near clean, but will make it run in iloader. the current SVN might possibly run in ibugger
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02:25:50TruG33Kwell I'm checking out rockbox right now, so I can try to see if it'll run in iBugger after that
02:26:15TheSevenTruG33K: have you used ibugger before?
02:27:00TheSevenand another important question: may we just trash the data on your ipod, or do you still need it?
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02:27:13TruG33KI tried running it, though didn't make much of it
02:27:41TruG33Kalready trashed it myself last night getting iLoader installed :-)
02:27:46TheSevendo you already have iok
02:28:13TheSevenok, so you're booting ibugger through iloader => perfect
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02:34:46TheSevenwhat's the usual way to set the DEBUG define for a build?
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02:38:52TruG33Kjust in case you were asking me, I have no idea, that's kind of why I'm here
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03:07:27TheSevenis it possible for a build to be both bootloader and DEBUG at the same time?
03:07:42TheSeveni don't see how I can make configure accept that
03:12:52TheSevenis there anything like nested ifdefs or, even better, checking for multiple things with one?
03:17:37TheSevennvm, found it
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03:23:28TheSevenTruG33K: I've written a patch now that should work for both ibugger and iloader, depending on the setting of the DEBUG define
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03:33:21TruG33Kawesome, how can I get the from you?
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03:50:46TheSevenTruG33K: please ping me if you expect me to respond :-)
03:51:54TheSevenTruG33K: setting up a build that's both bootloader and DEBUG proves a little tricky, i suggest configuring one of each and then merge the makefiles
03:54:03TruG33Kmy bad, will do
03:54:44TruG33KI will see what I can do about that, though I'm unsure how best to do either
03:59:55TheSevenbertrik or any other s5l8700 dev around?
04:00:20TheSevenwas it already verified that the timer interrupts work on the meizus?
04:02:31moos04h here in europe. Not the best time to ask :)
04:04:21TheSevenmoos: well, no idea where all the guys live
04:04:29TheSevenand I'm in europe, too, btw :-D
04:05:06mooshehe, we are not all insomniac :)
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04:05:34moosmostly devs are in europe, with a few around the US
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04:20:40moosTheSeven: If you are curious enough:"> ;P
04:21:29TheSevenmoos: we need such a thing too for #linux4nano :-)
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04:21:49mooshehe ;)
04:22:03moosrockbox's documentation
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04:25:16TheSevenso you're in the same time zone as bertrik and me...
04:25:24TheSevenyou should seriously go to bed :-P
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06:17:54Guest48116ok, I'm not seeing much chat here, but does anyone know if there is any resolution to the massive battery usage I'm seeing from rockbox 3.3 on a 5.5 gen ipod?
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06:43:28bguptaAre there arny rockbox capable devices that take full size sdhc cards?
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08:50:35Space_monkeyhey guys can I ask you a question?
08:58:54Space_monkeydo you know how to get my car dock to work with rockbox? It seems to be coming out very quietly. I tried to find a gain or pre-amp setting but I couldn't
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09:15:37pixelmabgupta: the Cowon D2 but it's only a port in progress and is not mature yet. I think I read there is also problem with *some* newer D2+ models or so. If you want more infos you would have to go through the D2 thread in the new ports forum or the wiki
09:16:22pixelmaI think
09:18:13bguptapixelma: Thanks... I'm really trying to find something that plays ALAC files, as I live in an itunes household, and really don't want to buy an ipod for myself. It's annoying not a lot of things play ALAC. (Rockbox does)
09:19:00bguptaI currently have a spare 32GB SDHC lying around, and it will fit my entire music collection, which is half alac and half MP3.
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10:00:56CIA-43New commit by amiconn (r22682): Fix test_sampr for the changes in r22440
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10:44:50crculverWhat is the different between Insert Next and Queue Next?
10:47:54bluebrotherA queued file gets removed from the dynamic playlist once it has been played.
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11:10:05amiconn'make voice' now compiles errno.c because apps/features now depends on errno.o
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11:12:32amiconnWhy can't it just depend directly on config-<target>.h?
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11:36:43TheSevenbertrik or any other s5l8700 dev around?
11:36:44TheSevenwas it already verified that the timer interrupts work properly on the meizus?
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11:37:35bertrikTheSeven, yes they work, used and verified for the kernel tick and general timer
11:38:12bertrikI haven't checked in the past few weeks though (in case something changed)
11:39:21markunTheSeven: doesn't work on the nano?
11:40:09TheSeventhis means that the meizu interrupt numbers aren't identical to the nano ones
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11:41:43TheSevenwhat's the best way to change this without breaking the meizu port? use #ifdef in kernel-s5l8700.h? somehow move it to a nano specific file? (how?)
11:42:39markunwhat is the name of the Soc? 5l8701?
11:44:54markunperhaps have an s5l8700.h and s5l8701.h file with some defines which both include s5l87xx.h?
11:45:11bertrikIf you think you know of a good way, just go for it. I won't mind a little temporary breakage of the meizus.
11:45:19bertrikmarkun, good idea
11:46:18bertrikI would like to make the interrupt handler a little more generic, for example have each module register an interrupt handler instead of using weak linking as we use now
11:47:05TheSevenin fact the current problem is even worse, as the interrupt numbers are defined by the order in an array in kernel-s5l8700.h, which one can't even fix with defines
11:47:10bertrikI think that would make the interrupt handling more flexible
11:52:06bertrikI could work on that this weekend and test it on the meizu/samsung yp-s3
11:55:56bertrikI finally posted my AMS DBOP button-reading refactoring patch:"> if anyone wants to look at it
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12:03:25TheSevenbertrik: here's my current patch that fixes the kernel timer on the nano (the last 2 hunks are the interesting ones for you)
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12:04:45bertrikhm, so basically the TIMER A and B interrupts are switched
12:05:10TheSevenno, i just swapped them around to move the timer B one where it actually is
12:05:30TheSeveni guess the timer A one is still the one before it, and they were probably all remapped, that was just a quick hack to make it work
12:06:32TheSeveni still need to find out the actual ints, but you can see the problematic array there
12:07:13TheSevenshould we move that array to something nano specific, or just fill it with INT00 INT01 INT02 and so on and #define these in a nano-specific file?
12:09:41bertrikI would like to have target-specific #defines for the interrupt numbers and a more generic interrupt handler, where each module dynamically registers its interrupt handler
12:10:08TheSevenwell, sounds good, to :-)
12:11:20bertrikAnyone here with a sansa fuze willing to test something?
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12:36:42amiconnbertrik: Why waste binsize for dynamic registration?
12:37:49bertrikI think the whole interrupt system on s5l8700 is ugly, with this weak linking and undeclared global interrupt handlers
12:38:19bertrikI don't think the waste is a problem
12:38:56amiconnThe weak linking is used on all targets
12:43:06amiconnIt makes isrs work automagically without extra code, and also allows to catch all unused interrupts in uie()
12:45:02bertrikit was a bit hard to understand when I first ran into it, probably I'm not the only one
12:45:05amiconnActually the latter needs a little extra code on SH, due to the fact that an interrupt call doesn't pass the interrupt number in any way, so there's one stub per interrupt number
12:45:37bertrikthe amount of extra code is probably trivial for most targets
12:46:45amiconnYou would need functions to register and unregister interrupts, and a call to the registration function in every module init that needs interrupts
12:47:35bertrikeach about one line of code
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12:49:22*amiconn highly doubts that
12:50:27amiconnAlso I don't understand what problem you're trying to solve here (as I don't think you're thinking about the isr hacks in a very few plugins)
12:51:20amiconnWeak symbols aren't black magic...
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13:18:40BdN3504hi, i have a little problem with my e270, the scrollwheel now somehow shares it's funktion with the play/pause button. whenever i start scrolling using the upper part of the scroll wheel, the device recognizes a play button press.
13:19:02BdN3504can i fix this somehow? will i have to open my target?
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13:27:14azz_i hawe quick question
13:27:53azz_is any chance i can install rockbox on fake ipod witch chip AK2025
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13:34:48azzazazelis anyone here???
13:36:30bughunter2azzazazel: what do you expect, everyone to answer 'yeah, we're here!!!!!!!!!!'
13:36:40bughunter2no, instead, if you have a question just ask it, and people will reply if they can
13:36:49azzazazelno just want to know if is
13:37:06azzazazeli dont nexpect answer strate away common
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13:46:56azzazazelwahat a bollocks
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14:28:11aqwertplease can any one help me if is any way to install rockbox on knockoff ipod with chip AK2025
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14:29:13krazykitaqwert, no
14:30:35aqwertkk thx
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15:07:48bughunter2aqwert: you have asked the same question twice now, why would you expect a different answer?
15:07:59bughunter2do you think we're purposely feeding you crap?
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17:12:55Javacathey.. i'm trying to get rockbox onto (what i think is) an ipod 5.5g
17:13:06Javacati used"> to format it
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17:13:23Javacatbut rockbox util doesn't recognise the ipod
17:14:07Javacati get that if i use ipodpatcher with the command 'sudo ./ipodpatcher /dev/disk2'
17:15:29Javacatis the ipod dead?
17:15:58pixelmaI don't think so - how did you convert the Ipod to FAT32?
17:17:15gevaertsdoes the ipod work properly in the Apple firmware?
17:17:32Javacati downloaded mbr-video30gb-2048.bin (after checking the sector size) then used dd if=mbr-video30gb-2048.bin of=/dev/disk1
17:17:55Javacati can't work out why though
17:17:58Javacatthe drive appears to be ok
17:18:06Javacatit had been dropped a couple of months ago
17:18:30robin0800I think it needs to be restored using Itunes
17:18:35gevaertshow sure are you that it's a 5.5G and not a 5G?
17:18:49Javacatthe restore fails in itunes :/
17:19:04Javacatif i can't get rockbox on it i'll probably just throw it
17:19:13gevaertsit definitely is a 5.5G
17:20:59Javacatif i try to restore in itunes it waits around for ages then gives an error
17:21:07Javacati think the error's 1417, but can't remember
17:21:11gevaertsyou could try the instructions from">, but if itunes doesn't want to restore it, I'm afraid there's a big chance that rockbox won't work either
17:21:21gevaertsoh, that sounds like the disk could have problems
17:21:55Javacati have formatted it though and dumped the rockbox files on, and they went onto it ok
17:22:13Javacator doesn't that really mean anything?
17:23:11gevaertsdepends. If it has a few bad sectors in the firmware partition, that would explain what you see
17:23:56gevaertsYou could try a disk checking tool that checks for bad sectors
17:24:32Javacatis there any way around the bad sectors if it is that?
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17:26:20gevaertspossibly. The ROM loads firmware from the first partition, so if there's only one group of bad sectors, you could repartition it to move the partitions around the bad sectors. Itunes restore still won't work, but with the instructions on IpodManualRestore and some creativity you should be able to get rockbox going
17:27:41gevaertsI'm not sure if I would bother though. A new disk (or compactflash card and adapter) will probably not be too expensive
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17:28:11gevaertsfirst verify that this is indeed the problem of course
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17:28:44Javacatneed to hunt down a disk checker for osx now :P
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17:35:21PaulJamkugel: the new tags for the custom statusbar are working, but one thing that could be improved is when you enter the recording screen from the contextmenu of the radio screen, then the %cs tag still shows conditional for the radio screen. i thing it would be better if it would show the conditional for the recording screen in that case.
17:35:23TheSevenJavacat: you could just try to create a backup of your ipod using dd, and see if this fails or gets stuck at some place, to check if bad sectors are the issue in the first place
17:35:35TheSevenif it successfully copies the first 100MB, you're seeing a different issue
17:36:09kugelPaulJam: not sure if that's easily doable
17:36:34kugeland, unfortunately, I have no target that can do both (radio and recording)
17:36:37JavacatTheSeven: ok!
17:39:20PaulJamwell, it isn't really a big issue, i just wanted to mention it.
17:40:49kugelI may have a look, but I can't promise anything
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17:41:23kugelPaulJam: are you back in the radio screen if you exit the recording if you enter it via radio?
17:42:45kugelit apparently doesn't go via root_menu (which handles screen changes), maybe that can be changed
17:43:09PaulJamkugel: you are back in the context menu of the radio screen, and when you leave that you are in the radio screen.
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17:49:29kugelbertrik: I tried your dbop patch
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18:03:07bertrikkugel, yes I saw :) not sure how I failed to make it compile, must have been some last-minute change :/
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18:12:13bughunter2bertrik: I've added the ISR to the array in system-as3525.c , usb_drv_init() completes, but I still won't get any interrupt :(
18:12:59bughunter2I've checked AMD's datasheet and the current code seems ok, the corresponding interrupts should be enabled
18:14:12bughunter2bertrik: (btw, Hi! :))
18:16:20bertrikbughunter2, I think there is some stuff in the USB PHY you need to configure too, I think the datasheet is wrong w.r.t. the PHY registers, the mapping in as3525 is correct AFAIK
18:16:33bughunter2which mapping?
18:16:43bughunter2I get it
18:17:42bertrikon my samsung yp-s3, I can watch the state of the various PHY and usb function registers while USB is running, maybe that helps
18:17:55*bertrik is confused
18:18:15bughunter2well, I have something else to ask, I don't know if it may be related,
18:18:16bertrikI'm confusing the s5l8700 USB with ams sansa USB">
18:18:28bughunter2 " USB_GPIO_CSR |= 0x1C00000; //sleep(3) "
18:18:31bughunter2what does this do?
18:18:37bughunter2the datasheets completely lack info on this, afaik
18:18:49bughunter2and I haven't seen funman yet
18:19:14bughunter2I had to comment lines 123 till 126 out, otherwise usb_drv_init() wouldn't even finish
18:19:17bertrikI can't help you with this at this point
18:19:43bertrikI'm unfamiliar with that code and the ams sansa USB device controller
18:20:10*bughunter2 wishes funman would come online =)
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18:27:21bughunter2bertrik: as far as I can tell PHY is enabled already by funman's code
18:27:25bughunter2it seems correct at least
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18:40:31bughunter2bertrik: I'll read the USB spec, see if it gives me a few pointers on what happens exactly in chronological order :)
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18:42:18CIA-43New commit by kkurbjun (r22683): Add Vertical stride support to LCD scrolling functions.
18:43:46bertrikbughunter2, the usb-in-a-nutshell document is a really good introduction and also gives pointers about which parts of the spec are really relevant
18:43:56bughunter2yeah, I read that yesterday :)
18:44:13bughunter2haven't read everything thoroughly enough
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18:48:55kugelbertrik: what does your latest patch do?
18:49:23kugelor rather, what changed over the previous one
18:49:39bertrikdbop-as3525.h was added and incorporated your fix
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18:50:45kugeloh I forget the .h, indeed
18:52:17kkurbjunwhat happened to the build page?
18:52:30kkurbjunAll I see are checkwps builds..
18:53:30bertrikkugel, I really hope we can get the hold button to work too
18:54:33kugelI'm not sure why it doesn't work actually
18:54:46gevaertskkurbjun: all-green columns are not shown
18:55:09kugelhave you tried only precharging (is that the correct term actually?) the buttons that need it, and OR'ing with DBOP_DOUT?
18:56:09kkurbjungevaerts: oh that makes sense, thanks
18:57:54bertrikmy theory is that the buttons act as weak pull-ups or pull-down on the DBOP datalines, weak enough to not disturb DBOP data out, but strong enough to pull the dataline when the DBOP data line are not drive by DBOP data out
18:58:44bertrikwhen not driven by DBOP data out, the data lines act as tiny capacitors that keep some charge from the previous data out value, hence "pre-charge"
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19:02:49kugelbertrik: also, the fuze's wheel never needed cached values no matter if the lcd was busy or not, I'd like to keep that behavior
19:02:56bertrikWe could experiment a bit with other "pre-charge" values. Another tuneable parameter in DBOP reading is the delay between the start of the read cycle and the actual read-back instant, this value can be varied between 0 and 31 PCLKs.
19:03:14PSPdemoni see rockbox on it in the future ;)
19:04:13PSPdemonalthough im curious about price
19:05:29kugelstay on topic
19:06:42bertrikkugel, doesn't the fuze share those scroll wheel pins with the LCD?
19:07:20kugelit does it in the same way as e200v2
19:07:34kugelbut on the fuze the red pixel isn't needed
19:07:44PSPdemonwhat....i think talking about future rockbox players is on topic :/
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19:25:00kugelbertrik: the wheel seems improved a bit by reading the wheel anyway
19:26:37kugelbut the lcd is playing a bit weird. entering the wps gives a bit of strangeness for about 2 seconds, it's perfectly fine after
19:26:47kugelmpegplayer and plasma are perfectly fine also
19:27:36bertrikkugel, hm, can't explain that
19:28:22kugelI think it's a problem that the output is switched to 16bit
19:29:23kugelwould it be possible to not do that?
19:29:42bertrikthe dbop read routine should restore the DBOP settings to their previous settings
19:30:16bertrikI think we need the 16-bit mode to be able to read the hold,scrollwheel,home/rec buttons
19:32:07kugelwriting to DBOP_DOUT basically kills reading with busy lcd at all
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19:35:28kugelanyway, your patch works great (with the increased polling rate though). Sadly the hold button doesn't work
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19:37:15bertrikok, nice to hear :)
19:37:54bertrikI wonder what going on with the hold button, this should not be committed until we figure that out I think
19:38:11kugelbertrik: so you figured out the what the TIMPOL stuff does?
19:38:23kugelis it possible to "cut off" the connection to the lcd with that?
19:38:38bertrikWhat do you exactly in the "extra" scroll wheel tick?
19:39:44bertrikkugel, yes indeed, TIMPOL determines the waveform on the control lines, normally one of the lines shows a pulse for each word out, in the button read that pulse is suppressed so the LCD completely ignores the dbop data
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19:39:48kugeljust call button_read_device()
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19:40:47*bertrik blames all of this trouble on the sansa hardware design
19:40:56*kugel always did
19:41:21kugelbertrik: the lcd still seems to be influenced if I do the read during updates
19:41:36bertrikit seems they have plenty of other inputs/outputs to do useful stuff with, yet they chose the current design
19:42:18kugelI write the same bits to TIMPOL_01 without success
19:42:19bertrikhm, maybe I missed a dbop_lock somewhere or there is a bug in the locking mechanism
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19:43:20bertrikI think TIMPOL_01 is not really used, but I'm not completely sure, of one the control lines controlled by TIMPOL_01 could be some kind of reset or chip select signal
19:49:57kugelthe wheel isn't really as nice with the cached data
19:50:31kugelit tends to reset. you can't really scroll fast that way
19:50:46bertrikkugel, yeah I think that's happening indeed
19:51:03bertrikit sees the same data so it assumes BUTTON_NONE and resets everything
19:51:16kugelI don't like that
19:55:43bertrikI wouldn't mind working on the scrollwheel too, but I don't have a fuze or a e200v2
19:56:06*bughunter2 is willing to test
19:56:12bughunter2(e200v2 here)
19:56:47bertrikI have to read the code the scroll wheel a little more carefully to really understand how it works
19:57:04*bughunter2 nods
19:57:07bertrikWe copied this from another target with scroll wheel interrupts, I assume
19:57:18kugelbertrik: I worked much on the scrollwheel code
19:57:24kugelit's not copy&paste
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20:07:28kugelstill no "show full build table" link :(
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20:08:38bughunter2kugel: by chance, can you look at usb-drv-as3525.c/usb_drv_init() and say if it looks correct? at least for the most part, that is...
20:09:06kugelI have no idea of USB, sorry
20:09:08bughunter2ah, ok
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20:09:31bughunter2how often can funman be found in here? :)
20:10:31bertrikbughunter2, I get the feeling sometimes that he's lurking, i.e. not online in the channel, but reading it anyway :)
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20:10:41bughunter2I see
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20:11:04bughunter2perhaps I can contact him by the forum
20:11:10gevaertsbughunter2: he's usually online in the evening (euro), but mostly on weekdays
20:14:13kugelbertrik: this greatly improves scrollwheel on my fuze (it doesn't use cached data for the wheel)
20:16:47bertrikI think we shouldn't do a read either when the dbop is locked for writing by the lcd drivers
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20:18:48kugelbertrik: why?
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20:19:04kugel"it greatly improves scrollwheel on my fuze"
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20:22:44kugelthe paste uses cached data, just not for the wheel bits (13 and 14)
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20:23:58bertrikcould we make things easier if dbop_input somehow indicates if it returned cached data or freshly read data?
20:25:22bertrika dbop read changes the DBOP_CNTRL register, I imagine that could interfere with a dbop write
20:26:47kugelwhy should it?
20:27:01kugelit's the control reg is changed back before it returns
20:27:11kugeland changing it has no influence on the data in the fifo
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20:57:04marvil07_hi all
20:57:20marvil07_I'm a newbie with rockbox
20:57:41marvil07_I have a non-officially-supported mp4 player
20:58:16marvil07_where should I read to make it works with my player
20:58:22krazykitthe front page
20:59:01gevaertsif you want information on how to start a port, have a look at">
20:59:36marvil07_thanks gevaerts , that's exacly what I'm looking for
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21:01:02webguest22or a modded hdd in another apple)
21:01:30webguest22I want the biggest hdd that supports rock box, suggestions?
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21:02:02gevaertswebguest22: which player?
21:02:28gevaertshm, I suspect we missed your first sentence
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21:06:21Pilif12pI have a Sansa e250 can i install rockbox on it?
21:07:25webguest22I dont know what player, I need to decide on one. Want the biggest that supports rockbox.
21:07:54bertrikPilif12p, can you check the version of the original sansa firmware?
21:08:03webguest22I was looking at Archos 5, but no rockbox support.
21:08:20bertrikthere are two versions with rather different internal hardware
21:08:29Pilif12pbertrik: Fwiw, it says V2
21:08:49webguest22iPod 5.5 the biggest factory installed hdd in a player that supports rockbox?
21:09:09Pilif12pbertrik: Ok, its V03.01.11A
21:09:22PSPdemonthat would be v2 sansa
21:09:37PSPdemonams model ( whatever yall call it on here =_= )
21:09:38gevaertswebguest22: yes. You can get a 5.5 with a 80GB HD. There are several players available with 60GB, and most of them can take a larger drive
21:10:03Pilif12pSo, it should work?
21:10:06webguest22@ PSPDemon, weak. What 60 GB players are those/?
21:10:07PSPdemonits not supported persay but ive built rockbox for v2 and it seemed to work on my friends v2 250
21:10:43gevaertsPilif12p: rockbox will run on it, but while it works reasonably well you might still have some issues. We haven't declared the port fully stable yet
21:10:57PSPdemonright just as gevaerts said
21:11:07PSPdemon@ webguest22: explain?
21:11:15PSPdemon5/5.5 gen ipods are just that....
21:11:21Pilif12pSay, i don't want it on there anymore, can i get the original firmware back on it?
21:11:25PSPdemon30/60/80 gb models
21:11:36PSPdemonit supports dualboot
21:11:49gevaertswebguest22: the gigabeat F comes in a 60GB version, as well as the 5th gen ipod. If you're willing to change the HD yourself, you have some more options
21:12:01Pilif12pPSPdemon: Was that to me?
21:12:05PSPdemonyoull have to build it yourself though
21:12:13PSPdemongevaerts, gigabeat F?
21:12:20PSPdemonive been looking for one but cant seem to find one
21:12:34PSPdemonmy sansa borked on me and i really would like to find a replacement =_=
21:12:39gevaertsPilif12p: I believe (not sure, this is a somewhat vague memory) that installing rockbox might make DRM stop working on the original firmware
21:13:19Pilif12pMaybe not a good idea?
21:13:34gevaertsdepends on you. Not everyone has DRM tracks
21:13:35Pilif12pBtw, where do i file a bug about the installer?
21:13:38bertriknot sure if it still does, but better keep that in mind
21:13:59Pilif12pI dont use this one much, i mainly use my iPod, phone, laptop or Mylo...
21:14:07webguest22Does swapping hdd require soldering on ipod 5/5.5?
21:14:26PSPdemonbut the HDD's are expensive as hell
21:14:54PSPdemonwell rather.... a 250gb ZIF 1.8" hdd costs $300
21:15:14webguest22so a newb could presumably do it? should i just buy from:
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21:15:45gevaertswebguest22: has guides. You might want to have a look at those first
21:15:45Pilif12pI cant find the letter drive of my player
21:16:01Pilif12pI see C, D, E, F, G, H, I.
21:16:09Pilif12pC/D are HDD
21:16:14Pilif12pE is DVD Drive
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21:16:23PSPdemongevaerts, doesnt the larger drive though need a bigger back plate?
21:16:25webguest22Will the 5.5 240GB from work?
21:16:30Pilif12pthe rest are card readers
21:17:03*gevaerts has no personal experience with upgrading HDs in ipods
21:17:33PSPdemoni would be tempted to buy that ipod :P
21:17:55webguest22the 240 gb one from ipodzens? they have pretty decent reviews on amazon
21:18:01Pilif12pUm... Which one do i select?
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21:18:59webguest22@PSPdemon, @gevaerts, I only want rockbox from FLAC support, is there a better option for my use?
21:19:16PSPdemonummm what?
21:19:17Pilif12pi still cant find it :(
21:19:27gevaertsPilif12p: is the player in MSC mode?
21:19:35Pilif12pwhats that?
21:19:39PSPdemonPilif12p: what are you looking for?
21:19:46Pilif12pthe letter of my player
21:19:54PSPdemonwindows? linux?
21:20:00Pilif12pim on vista, so it shows up as a portable drive
21:20:10webguest22i want rockbox for FLAC support only, is there an easier way to get big storage with FLAC support?
21:20:12PSPdemonchoose the one thats 2gb's
21:20:25PSPdemonwebguest22, thats all you want it for?
21:20:28Pilif12pIt doesn't show anything
21:20:36PSPdemondoesn ipod originally come with flac support?
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21:20:47gevaertswebguest22: if it doesn't involve rockbox, we don't talk about it here :)
21:21:05webguest22no it doesn't, neither does zune.
21:21:07PSPdemonas gevaerts said....put the device into msc mode
21:21:31PSPdemonif only Zunes could run rockbox and make use of that share adhoc deal ;)
21:21:48Pilif12pHow do i put it in msc mode?
21:21:49webguest22Yes, maybe will use more functions later, but this is the initial need that lead me to find rockbox
21:22:36PSPdemonPilif12p, i would tell you but my sansa is borked
21:22:46PSPdemonits somewhere in the system settings options
21:22:56PSPdemon( on the sansa ofcourse )
21:23:48PSPdemonSettings -> USBMode
21:24:00PSPdemonset it to MSC ON
21:24:10Pilif12pI have to upgrade the Firmware
21:24:15PSPdemonor just make sure msc is selected
21:24:18Pilif12p...Wtf sandisk
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21:26:34webguest22so i should probably just get ipod 5.5 80/gb, or 240gb from ipodzens?
21:26:48gevaertshow much space do you actually need?
21:27:08webguest22IDK, 150 albums+30 lives shows all in FLAC
21:27:22webguest22Probably 100+gb, right?
21:27:54Pilif12p|Gonei get the error "No Sansa Detected!"
21:28:03TheSevenwebguest22: 150 albums => ~50GB with FLAC, I think
21:28:10gevaertsa cd should be between 250MB and 400MB I think, so 150 of those should be no more than 60GB
21:28:14gevaertsprob ably less
21:28:39webguest2270-80 min each).
21:28:41TheSevenmainly depends on whether your live shows are audio or video
21:29:00Pilif12p|GoneCan i use the nightly?
21:29:15webguest22live shows audiio format, cd, hdcd, and flac format downloads from
21:29:42bertrikAFAIK the ams sansas (v2 sansas) are not working with rbutil yet
21:30:18Pilif12p|GoneUgh... So i cant install it?
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21:30:27TheSevenwell, if it's all FLAC and the shows are ~70 minutes, too, 80gb should be just sufficient, but not much space left
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21:31:43webguest22so maybe start with the 80gb, if i run out of room get another, or upgrade hardive
21:32:04webguest22or by that time Zune rockbox is release ;)
21:32:12gevaertswebguest22: make sure you get the 5.5G though, and not the classic
21:32:41Pilif12pHow do i install it then?
21:32:46webguest22got you loud and clear. know anywhere to get one on the cheap?
21:35:15bertrikPilif12p, it's slightly complicated and involves combining the original firmware image with the rockbox bootloader using a small utility you have to compile from source
21:35:37Pilif12pLike how complicated?
21:35:44Pilif12pfrom 1-10
21:35:46gevaertswebguest22: not really. You could try ebay of course, and I think there are some places on the net that specialise in second-hand ipods
21:36:19TheSevenPilif12p: On my scale, probably 1 or 2 :-P
21:36:31TheSevenon yours, it may be different, though
21:36:35Pilif12palright, it cant be *thar* hard then...
21:37:12gevaertsTheSeven: your scale *starts* where other people have 10 :)
21:37:39TheSevenonly 10? :-P
21:42:54Pilif12pI just found an auto installer for it :)
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21:43:30bertrikPilif12p, if it bricks your e200v2 please don't complain here ...
21:43:45Pilif12pI dont use it anymore...
21:45:43Pilif12paww it didnt work
21:52:37PSPdemonmy advice to you Pilif12p, build your own
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22:04:34bughunter2it's not hard to unbrick a e200v2
22:05:26bughunter2ah hes gone
22:06:36gevaertsDon't you have to open it and short some pins? That's *horribly* hard for some people
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22:07:09bughunter2gevaerts: yeah I did that last week after spamming the fat root dir with 40 thousand files =P
22:07:18bughunter2but luckily I knew it was easy to unbrick
22:12:33AlexPI don't think that is particularly easy in the great scheme fo things
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22:21:49bughunter2gevaerts: for example, if I comment out line 123-126 in usb-drv-as3525.c , the device at least executes usb_drv_init() ...
22:22:00bughunter2but if I leave those lines in there, it hangs after executing the first line, 'USB_GPIO_CSR |= 0x1C00000'
22:22:19bughunter2(that same line is used multiple times in that function btw, so I'm not particularly sure why it would hang)
22:22:35bughunter2in the datasheets I've found little clues as to what that line might mean/do
22:22:58bughunter2the other code in usb_drv_init() seems fine, I think
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22:24:56*gevaerts reads datasheets
22:32:23gevaertsbughunter2: my guess is that funman got this bit from reverse engineering the OF. Maybe it behaves a bit differently on different models? He probably used either the clip or the fuze
22:32:42bughunter2I guessed so too :/
22:33:17bughunter2but then, is all the info we need in the datasheets?
22:33:31bughunter2can we initialize properly with just the info in the datasheets?
22:33:49bughunter2if I leave out lines 123-126, the function returns, but I never get interrupts :(
22:34:05bughunter2(even though I added the line needed to system-as3525.c to get interrupts)
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22:35:48gevaertsthat's of course where things get interesting. We have the AMS datasheet which is basically useless (it just lists registers), the linux driver for the AMD chip, and the AMD datasheet. The register addresses seem to match, but there's no proof that the AMD and AMS controllers are really exactly the same. They could be different revisions of the same part, which need slightly different handling...
22:36:26bughunter2the code that funman wrote seems to match the sheets though
22:36:53bughunter2it matches the usage in the amd sheet and the addresses in the other
22:37:02gevaertsdid you find USB_GPIO_CSR in the AMD data sheet?
22:37:23bughunter2did find things like DEVINTR etc. which were listed in the AS sheet as well
22:38:33gevaertsonce the init bit works, I'm pretty sure the AMD data sheet is good enough. This is basically the same situation we have with USB on PortalPlayer, where we use the freescale datasheet, but hardware init is mostly based on reverse engineering
22:38:47bughunter2hmm okay
22:39:04bughunter2I'm not familiar with ARM assembly, unfortunately
22:39:11gevaertsneither am I...
22:39:29*gevaerts tends to leave reverse engineering to other people
22:39:37bughunter2I'd do it if I knew ARM
22:39:43bughunter2I had lots of fun reversing x86 :)
22:42:24bughunter2gevaerts: by chance do you spot any error in the initialization routine? :)
22:42:54gevaertsbughunter2: as someone who has read neither the datasheet nor the OF disassembly, no :)
22:43:10bughunter2all right
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23:18:29FarthenGlubish: what language are you speaking?
23:18:44GlubishNo glue are peoble clop?
23:19:25CIA-43New commit by alle (r22685): UI improvements for the pitch detector (ongoing work by David Johnston from">FS #8768)
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23:20:21FarthenGlubish: what do you want to say?
23:20:28gevaertsGlubish: this is an on-topic channel. Please followe the rules
23:20:44GlubishMy weet nie wat om te doen nie
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23:24:51fmlI see red build. "No rule to make target ... build-iaudiom3/pluginbitmaps/pitch_notes.h" What can be the reason?
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23:26:03bluebroth3roh, changed IP ... how smart
23:26:12gevaertsstop it
23:26:27TheSevenGlubish: We don't understand Dutch or whatever you're talking here
23:26:36bughunter2it's dutch, I'm dutch..
23:26:48bughunter2but very stupid dutch
23:26:55bughunter2what he writes, that is
23:27:19fmlDoes iaudiom3 have a display?
23:27:39gevaertsfml: it has a remote with a display. The player itself doesn't have one
23:28:40fmlgevaerts: but I assume that everything is defined in a way that we can pretend it's the main display, right?
23:28:57gevaertsfml: possibly. I'm not sure
23:29:01pixelmathe remote display is treated as a main display code-wise though
23:29:09fmlThe red builds are for iaudiom3, and I don't understand what's wrong
23:30:48fmlAnother question: in the last commit, there is an #else branch (in SOURCES) with just a comment. Wouldn't it be better to issue an #error there?
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23:32:04fmlAnyone with knowledge of 'make' here who could help to track the problem with the last commit (r22685)?
23:32:05pixelmafml: I don't see the 128x96x2 bitmap assigned in SOURCES
23:32:53fmlpixelma: is this the screen size of m3?
23:32:57pixelmaalso the comment for 112x64 is wrong
23:33:15pixelmayes, and I see a properly named bitmap
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23:34:27fmlpixelma: it's the last #elif, so the comment might be correct there, i.e. when no earlier branch gets active.
23:34:55pixelmawell... there are Archoses with recording ability
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23:35:23fmlpixelma: do they have a bitmap LCD?
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23:36:44pixelmayes, exactly that size - all have except the Player. And the Recorders and the OndioFM have recording ability... (but of course hwcodec recording)
23:37:46pixelmaif I read correctly, the Clip and the m200 are caught with that #elif too
23:38:16pixelmathough I don't know about recording on those
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23:44:25fmlpixelma: do you think this would help?
23:45:41pixelmaI don't know
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23:46:01pixelmaare you not able to testcomp
23:46:11pixelmatest compile?
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23:46:47fmlpixelma: I hadn't build dir for this platform. But I set it up now and do a test build.
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23:54:16pixelmafml: no correction of the comment while at it?
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23:58:52fmlpixelma: if I knew the correct comment... :-)

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