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#rockbox log for 2009-09-13

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00:05:20Mode"#rockbox +o logbot " by rasher (n=rasher@rockbox/developer/rasher)
00:07:23pixelmawell, the plugin is compiled for targets that are swcodec, have recording and have line-in or mic-in. So the Archoses are not included because they are hwcodec, I don't know what happens for the Clip
00:09:49fmlpixelma: but there is no red, so I assume Clips are either not compiled or are covered somehow
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00:18:55CIA-43New commit by alle (r22687): Quit with an error message if the LCD is not supported
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00:23:57Pilif12pHi, can someone guide me through the process of installing rockbox on my Sansa e250?
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00:25:15Pilif12p(Could anyone see what i just said; I wan't identified)
00:25:37CIA-43New commit by alle (r22688): Fix red
00:31:37CIA-43New commit by alle (r22689): Revert everything to a workable state until the issue is investigated properly
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00:34:45bughunter2Pilif12p: have you read the forum and wiki?
00:34:51AlexPPilif12p: Have you read the manual?
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00:35:08AlexPbughunter2: Manual first (assuming it is a v1) :)
00:35:15*bughunter2 assumed it was a v2
00:35:41 Quit fml ("CGI:IRC 0.5.9 (2006/06/06)")
00:41:09Pilif12pits a v2
00:41:17bughunter2then see the forum
00:41:29Pilif12pis there a link?
00:41:34bughunter2use your brain
00:41:58LightFuzeAndRunI really hate to bother anyone but I am stuck! I am very interested in helping to port Rockbox to the V2 Sansa Fuze. I have some knowledge of electronics and programming, but I have never done any reverse engineering or systems programming of any kind. From what I understand the SoC in the Fuze uses a ARM processor? If so I will need to learn the assembly language used for that architecture? In order to
00:42:04bughunter2Pilif12p: there is a test build available on the forum
00:42:32bughunter2LightFuzeAndRun: your message got cut off after "in order to"
00:43:04bughunter2LightFuzeAndRun: if you need to reverse, then you'd need to learn some ARM, yes
00:43:32LightFuzeAndRunhere is the rest
00:43:36LightFuzeAndRunIn order to decompile the original firmware I will need a tool like IDA Pro? Why do I need to decompile the original firmware to start with? What all is needed to port Rockbox to the V2 Fuze? Drivers?? What am I wrong about? What am I missing? Please help me! As you can tell I am very confused right now. Thanks −−John-
00:43:49bughunter2you mean 'disassemble', not 'decompile'
00:44:47bughunter2please have a look at the wiki for information regarding the current status of the port
00:44:50Pilif12pthis one?
00:44:57Pilif12pIt says e200
00:45:10bughunter2you can read that as 'e2xx'
00:45:43LightFuzeAndRunI have looked through it but could not find much about the V2 fuse
00:45:48LightFuzeAndRunor fuze
00:45:51bughunter2Pilif12p: (meaning it should work on your e250)
00:46:04AlexPPilif12p: e200 is the e200 series
00:47:39bughunter2LightFuzeAndRun: to be honest, there is probably much work to be done for the fuze v2 port, and if you have *no* prior experience you're going to have a hard time
00:47:51bughunter2or need lots of help with every single step
00:48:19LightFuzeAndRunI know. I would like to learn this stuff anyway could you tell me quickly how I might start?
00:48:26bughunter2'quickly' ?
00:48:34LightFuzeAndRunwell you know
00:48:47LightFuzeAndRunI am a quick learner
00:48:52bughunter2so am I
00:48:54LightFuzeAndRunand do not need hand holding
00:49:05bughunter2you probably will if you have no prior experience
00:49:10bughunter2you already need hand holding at the moment
00:49:15bughunter2which is proof of that
00:49:51AlexPLightFuzeAndRun: I'd say read the forum thread and the wiki, and then have a look at the existing rockbox code to see what is there
00:50:30AlexPI think there may be some sort of dissambly tool in the Rockbox source as well (although I may have confused that with something else)
00:50:53AlexPThen work out what is missing, and start trying to work out how to implement it :)
00:51:10Pilif12pSo, get to the Cmd step
00:51:16Pilif12pand i keep getting this error
00:51:25AlexPwhich cmd step for what?
00:51:26bertriksome way of dual-booting, display and buttons are a good start
00:51:33Pilif12p"The system cannot find this path"
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00:51:44Pilif12poh here...
00:51:47AlexPWhat are you trying to do?
00:51:53bughunter2Pilif12p: you need to go the directory where you have mkamsboot
00:51:56bughunter2or set PATH..
00:51:57LightFuzeAndRunok. But could you please tell me what is needed to port rockbox? and by that i mean is it just drivers?
00:52:06bughunter2for example, put all the needed files in this directory 'rbinstall', then CD into that
00:52:07AlexP*just* :)
00:52:17Pilif12pi did
00:52:47Pilif12pgot it
00:52:57AlexPLightFuzeAndRun: In general
00:53:02Pilif12pyou right click on the folder, and click "Open COmmand Prompt here"
00:53:06AlexPAlthough some of that has been done
00:53:28AlexPPilif12p: This is pretty basic computer usage, porting rockbox is many many orders of magnitude harder
00:53:48AlexPPilif12p: Sorry, I confused you with someone else
00:54:08AlexPWith a completely different nick :)
00:54:11LightFuzeAndRunI know I lie when I say no knowledge of systems programming
00:54:12*AlexP feels silly
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00:54:22LightFuzeAndRunI really meant no knowledge of embeded systems
00:54:40bughunter2then replace 'systems programming' in my sentences with 'embedded systems'
00:54:58bughunter2if I used that at all
00:55:11LightFuzeAndRunI guess I just need to hit the books then :( thanks for your help.
00:55:15Pilif12pand mkamsboot.exe fuzea.bin bootloader-fuze.bin patched.bin
00:55:26Pilif12pWhat do i do with that?
00:55:28LightFuzeAndRunI just thought since I have done driver programming I might be of some use.
00:55:32AlexPLightFuzeAndRun: Don't be discouraged - people are always welcome to pitch in :)
00:55:32bughunter2LightFuzeAndRun: well, what helps is: read the current code, and see if you can understand it :)
00:55:33Pilif12pI have a sansa, not a fuze
00:55:51bughunter2that way, you can verify if you grasped the concepts
00:56:04LightFuzeAndRunOk thank you for your help
00:56:05AlexPPilif12p: Sansa is the brand
00:56:19AlexPPilif12p: They make the fuze, the e200, ...
00:56:36Pilif12pi have an e250
00:56:50bughunter2Pilif12p: have you downloaded the correct firmware?
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00:57:07Pilif12pWhat do you mean?
00:57:21bughunter2nevermind I'm talking on the wrong wavelength
00:57:43bughunter2Pilif12p: if you read the thread...
00:57:50bughunter2you'd know you need a firmware
00:57:56bughunter2which the mkamsboot utility will patch
00:58:06Pilif12p(I know nothing whatsoever about this, i feel stupid)
00:58:18bughunter2you don't have to!
00:58:20bughunter2just read the thread!
00:58:44Pilif12phehe, the problem is, i do tech support for firefox
00:58:49Pilif12pthats why i feel stupid
01:00:46Pilif12pwhat do i sub. the fuzea.bin with?
01:00:48bughunter2Pilif12p: look, I'm even willing to do it for you..
01:01:09bughunter2just boot your player, and look in the menus for the information...
01:01:13bughunter21) which firmware do you use?
01:01:31bughunter2i.e. which version
01:02:33bughunter2European version, with FM radio?
01:02:41Pilif12pNope, american
01:02:52bughunter2just a sec
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01:03:00bughunter2Pilif12p: FM radio though?
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01:03:57bughunter2the firmware even had a 'A' suffix which hinted at 'American'.. missed that
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01:04:53bughunter2Pilif12p: ok so, download
01:05:00bughunter2extract the .rockbox directory in the root directory of your player
01:05:13bughunter2!!! make sure your player is in MSC mode first
01:05:35bughunter2you can enable that in the settings menu
01:05:38bughunter2USB Mode it is called
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01:06:57bughunter2then download the rockboxed firmware from here:
01:07:01bughunter2after that, extract the file e200pA.bin and put it in the root of your player as well, then reboot your player
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01:07:26Pilif12pis the root directory System
01:07:39AlexProot is the first one
01:07:49bughunter2the top level directory
01:07:54AlexPd:\ or e:\ for example (on Windows)
01:08:18Pilif12pSo just extract it to the player, no subfolders?
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01:21:05bmendoncDoes anyone know of an avi codec
01:21:58Pilif12pThanks :(
01:22:04bmendoncIf you do, can you append to the avi codec patch in tasklist
01:22:07Pilif12ps/ :( / :)
01:22:08bughunter2np :)
01:24:57Pilif12pNow, how do i install a theme
01:25:03Lloreanbmendonc: AVI is a container, there aren't codecs for it. If you're looking for AVI support in Rockbox, I suggest doing more research into what it is.
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01:27:57gevaertsPilif12p: basically just unzip it to the root of the player, making sure the unzip utility does not add extra directories
01:28:17Pilif12pdoes winexplorer work?
01:28:23bughunter2why wouldn't it?
01:28:31bughunter2assuming you mean the 'Windows Explorer'
01:28:41bughunter2OTOH, that thing doesn't always work
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01:30:10Pilif12pit wants to make another .rockbox folder
01:30:18bughunter2just overwrite the files
01:30:27bughunter2it just uses the same file hierarchy
01:30:33bughunter2which means you're doing it the correct way
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01:32:12bughunter2Pilif12p: and, does it work? :)
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01:34:36bmendoncwhat about DivX avi format
01:35:29gevaertsbmendonc: what about it? If you want to know something, a clear question can be very helpful
01:35:33Lloreanbmendonc: AVI is a container. DivX is a proprietary name for a subset for MPEG4 advanced simple profile
01:35:49LloreanAs I said, go do some googling. Research will help you a lot.
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01:41:07bmendoncokay so would a mpeg4 codec, if put into the avi filter could read the file after the filter "converted it".
01:41:31Lloreanbmendonc: Seriously, go do some research. Your question doesn't even make any sense.
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02:30:55TMan459Can I ask what is probably an easy question to answer about a certain patch to rockbox?
02:32:11rasherI think you should try
02:32:35TMan459Well I wasn't sure if that was allowed here. Figured I'd ask beforehand.
02:33:43TMan459It's regarding the anti-aliased fonts patch on the patch tracker. I have no problems applying the patch, but am not very experienced with compiling C (which is what I would assume convttf.c is written in). I was hoping for a point in the right direction to compiling this convttf.c in order to use it to convert my fonts. Any help would be awesome.
02:34:36TMan459I can also use an old compile of AA fonts from Kugel dating Oct 08, but from reading the log it seems convttf has been improved since then, which is why I'd like to convert my fonts myself.
02:38:13TMan459Does this even need to be compiled? If not how would I run the damn thing?
02:39:53LloreanThat's more of a general question. How to compile things and how to develop are the subjects of many tutorials on the internet.
02:41:25TMan459OK yea probably shoulda done some research first :(
02:41:42TMan459i see a simple "gcc filename.c" should do the trick... dur
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02:43:01TMan459Thanks for the help guys!
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02:43:27pilif12pWhats the log on it for?
02:43:54andrewrblogging to
02:44:18pilif12pYou can listen to on it?
02:45:19bughunter2pilif12p: if you want to write code and your player has internet access, sure
02:45:32pilif12poh lets you scrobble tracks you have played
02:45:54andrewrbfrom other devices such as portable music players
02:46:08andrewrbrockbox writes a list of every track you play to a log file
02:46:17andrewrbyou scrobble it to your play log
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03:23:45newbiehi i installed rockbox on my ipod video
03:24:15newbieand now i started the apple original firmware
03:24:33newbiebut i am unable to switch off the ipod to start back in rockbox
03:24:41newbiecan any body help me
03:25:03Presencecenter-and-top-button reboot.
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03:25:58newbieits working thanks presence
03:26:07newbiei will explore more
03:26:10PresenceYou betcha! :)
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05:10:12seu_barrigai'm having some trouble with rockbox
05:11:15seu_barrigaI have some songs that have asian characters on their name, but rockbox doesn't show their correct name and can't play them
05:11:32seu_barrigaI've searched at google and tried to change the font to unifont, but nohelp
05:11:37seu_barrigano help*
05:15:23seu_barrigadoes anyone know what could be wrong?
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05:42:26Devin_RichHi all
05:42:31Devin_Richanyone around tonight?
05:43:34krazykitdo you have a question?
05:43:38Devin_RichI am trying to hack my orkcbox
05:43:41Devin_Richbut I think I can't
05:43:47Devin_Richtrying to disable the radio
05:44:02Devin_Richumm, so
05:44:20Devin_Richmy question is if anyone knows how to do this or if it just something that was added into the firmware
05:44:37Devin_Richand I would have to go to a previous version that doesn't have radio support in the file to remove it
05:45:01krazykitwell, i'm sure you could, but it seems easier to just not use the radio
05:45:10Devin_Richyes, I agree
05:45:19Devin_Richbut I need to have the radio not work
05:45:27Devin_Richto meet the requirements for my mp5 player
05:46:16FlynDicewhy does the radio need to _not_ work...??
05:46:27Devin_Richdo you know much about the files in the rockbox folder and what one I would likely want to roll back to remove the radio?
05:46:57Devin_Richbecause I am going where I am allowed to take an mp3 player if I want to
05:47:07Devin_Richbut I have to be able to prove that it does not receive radio
05:47:16Devin_Richor have any games
05:47:27Devin_Richfor games I just deleted the games and some of the demo .rocks
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05:48:25FlynDiceyou could comment out the config_tuner line in your player config file and recompile it
05:48:45Devin_Richty, time to go google compling rockbox
05:49:03krazykitthere are pages on the wiki describing how
05:49:48Devin_Richawesome, thanks
05:53:28FlynDiceDevin_Rich: what player are you using?
05:53:41Devin_Riche200 series
05:53:53FlynDicev1 or v2?
05:53:59Devin_Richv1, ofc.
05:54:03Devin_Richnon rhapsody version
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05:56:20Devin_Richhmm, I'm having trouble finding the source
05:56:26Devin_Richwhich makes me feel dumb, w/e
05:56:36Devin_RichI follow the link it just goes to a complied area
05:56:47FlynDiceDevin_Rich: /firmware/export/config-e200.h comment out lines 103 &104
05:57:11Devin_Richwoot, ty
05:57:18Devin_Richnow... to find that source
05:57:24Devin_RichI can't see any .7z zips
05:57:26Devin_Richto DL
05:57:49krazykituse the svn source
05:58:01Devin_Richdo I need a SVN program?
05:58:12krazykityou'll need subversion installed, of course
05:58:16FlynDicefollow the link krazykit gave you....
05:58:32krazykitbut if you just follow the directions, it's all explained there
06:00:07Devin_Richya, i went to that link, and it said that I can also get the source from the daily build
06:00:34Devin_Richguess I'll go get subversion
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06:16:29CIA-43New commit by blue_dude (r22690): Laying the groundwork for future features
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06:35:00Devin_RichFlynDice, krazykit thanks for all your help. I think ima be able to get it here soon.
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07:09:50Devin_Richanyone still around?
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10:51:41pixelmafml (logs): if I understand correctly it shouldn't be necessary to have the same conditions in the bitmaps' SOURCES, the compiler shouldn't even try to go there if the plugin itself is excluded. It looks like it does and so I *think* something else is wrong...
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11:07:27bertrikon the c200, there are some keys that are not handled in the settings context, so they fall through in the standard context and then have an undesireable effect
11:07:35bertrikwhat the proper way to solve a problem like this?
11:09:45bertrikthe settings context has an action for the none->left transition but not for left->left released transition for example
11:10:59bertrikso the latter button transition is handled in the default context resulting in an entirely different action
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11:13:46pixelmaif it's just a few, I think adding ACTION_NONE would be ok - or don't link to another context and add the missing ACTION_STD_* to the settings context. Depends on how many of each you'd have to add, I'd say
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11:14:49pixelmabertrik: can you give an example where I can see the problem?
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11:16:48pixelmafml: I wonder why the pitch detector bitmaps are compiled so early in the process, all the other plugin bitmaps come way later
11:18:19pixelmahmm... that's only true when building fails. I really wonder what's up there
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11:24:38bertrikpixelma, if you go to the time date screen and try to do one step to the right (to the next date/time item): instead of just selecting the next item, it also interprets the right button as OK
11:25:12bertrika similar problem is in the color adjustment screen
11:25:44bertrikI do have a fix for this, but I'm not sure it's the right way to fix it
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11:29:31pixelmahmm, I remember having fixed something in those two in the early days of the port :\
11:31:06bertrikI have a fix in
11:31:33bertrikit simply maps the offending button transition to ACTION_NONE in the settings context
11:36:22pixelmameh, the almost last minute change for having "long Right" as resume button (my idea was "Vol up" of my patch broke that (and wasn't tested properly then)
11:42:42pixelmaalso, the colour choser screen is slightly broken as it only shows the preview rectangle with a small enough font - 9 pixels tall is the biggest and I'm using 10-Nimbus (cabbiev2 even 11-Sazanami). It looks like there is enough space still for at least some slightly bigger fonts and I think it once worked with the 10 pixels tall font
11:44:15pixelmabertrik: I think the ACTION_NONE fix would be ok
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11:48:42bertrikok, I think I'll make some final checks and commit this afternoon
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14:27:47FuzeFaceV2So has anyone figured out yet just exactly what the difference is between the V1 and V2 sansa fuze players?
14:28:47FuzeFaceV2Is it a completely different SoC?
14:29:34bertrikthe wiki says it is believed to be based on a AS3531
14:30:26FuzeFaceV2Is there a data sheet available?
14:31:33FuzeFaceV2So do you recomend I start looking at the original firmware file?
14:32:28AlexPThat would seem to be the only way, no?
14:32:47kugelFuzeFaceV2: I found button reading and lcd functions already
14:33:29FuzeFaceV2COOl! Is there any source code available for the V2 yet? I am a willing tester too :)
14:33:56FuzeFaceV2Well I will have to make my own then!
14:34:02AlexPkugel: Is there a known recovery mode?
14:34:10FuzeFaceV2I dont think so
14:34:20kugelno, no-one that is known
14:34:41FuzeFaceV2That is the reason I am hesitant
14:34:53FuzeFaceV2I am like 3 levels above noob
14:34:54AlexPkugel: So of them all (AMS) it is only the e200 vs that can enter recovery by shorting pins?
14:35:04kugelit seems so, yes
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14:36:00FuzeFaceV2So do you know if all the other hardware is the same (just new SoC)?
14:36:38AlexPFuzeFaceV2: What is known should be on that wiki page - there are also circuit board scans on there you can check
14:37:01bertrikit is a bit intriguing that the fuze v2 (and the fuze) do have a marking at certain pins of the flash chip
14:37:35kugelbertrik: I tried that shorting on the fuze, but I've not seen markings
14:37:37FuzeFaceV2Ok I am sorry I will look it over again. I just don't think they could be too different
14:37:49kugelexcept the ones funman drew on a picture :)
14:38:00AlexPFuzeFaceV2: Why not?
14:38:07bertrikIIRC, the e200v2 bridge does something to the flash to trigger the recovery mode
14:38:50FuzeFaceV2I don't think there was that much wrong with the v1 hardware. Unless they change all the hardware to mess with Rockbox devs. :)
14:39:08AlexPIt isn't to do with being wrong
14:39:26FuzeFaceV2what is it then?
14:39:29AlexPThings could be replaced with something cheaper, lower energy, ....
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14:39:38FuzeFaceV2yes this is true.
14:39:44AlexPThings get changed within revisions
14:39:54AlexPlet alone between them
14:40:05kugelbertrik: I'm not sure if it's a recovery mode, it seems more like the mode to flash a firmware on the device (i.e. the ROM bootloader doesn't even try to load code), I don't know why this mechanism only works the e200v2 though
14:40:23gevaertsit's all to do with reflected-sounds-of-underground-spirits
14:41:04FuzeFaceV2I think it is a conspiracy
14:41:36FuzeFaceV2I think everyone is shady though :)
14:42:31kugelgevaerts: re r22680, I think the whole viewports_parse_viewports function should be #ifdef HAVE_LCD_BITMAP (as it is in viewport.c)
14:43:13gevaertskugel: why? As far as I know the Player does have viewports
14:43:28kugelnot in the wps
14:43:39gevaertsah, ok
14:43:46kugelonly internal
14:45:25gevaertsfeel free to change it. I think I've just proven that I know little enough about it to not be trusted with it :)
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15:33:27bughunter2I get "SD bank -1 error : 0x10" at random (I haven't been able to pinpoint it yet) on the e200v2, any idea on how to reproduce this?
15:35:54kugelgevaerts: did you check if still works?
15:36:15gevaertskugel: uhm, no
15:36:37kugelit doesn't work here, but I wasn't sure if my changes caused that
15:39:08gevaertsI could spend some time on this, but I'm not convinced that we still need it
15:41:04CIA-43New commit by kugel (r22695): Get rid of some of the code duplication from checkwps, it still duplicates a lot though.
15:47:19kugelI didn't get a new build after the "10 builds left" message
15:47:52kugelactually, I didn't get any builds after 3 minutes before the end of the build
15:48:34kugelalso, my client is totally underrated, leading to only bootloader builds
15:49:12*kugel wonders when my average score dropped so dramatically
15:50:38kugelthere seems to be a bug
15:52:59kugelrasher's buildgraphs page shows the weirdness
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16:13:44pixelmaI took out my client when few more faster clients were added and I still only got the "best fit" whatnot sim which in 9 of 10 cases was done by someone else before mine (it didn't "readjust" so I got more simple builds), just saying
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16:57:51IwannaRockboxSo I have a question .... what is it exactly that keeps a person from just writing an operating system for a portable media player?
16:59:01AB3JUIwannaRockbox: lack of documentation on the hardware
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16:59:52IwannaRockboxSo let me get this straight with out proper documentation they cannot write drivers, etc.
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17:00:48LinuxMafiai can not remove .rockbox/
17:01:05LinuxMafiaRead-only file system
17:01:42IwannaRockboxSo how would I get started lets say trying to write a hello world type app for a PMP?
17:02:29AB3JUIwannaRockbox: well, if you wanted it to actually be usable, you'd need to figure out how to use the chipset and LCD driver, at a minimum
17:02:43AB3JUand also how to load it
17:03:19IwannaRockboxOk thank you very much! And by load do you mean like loading a firmware file?
17:04:37AlexPIf no documentation is available, then reverse engineering is needed
17:04:48AlexPIwannaRockbox: See
17:05:24moosLinuxMafia: If you have backups, maybe reformat the player. That may be a file system corruptiion
17:05:24AlexPLinuxMafia: I suspect you have filesystem errors then - linux will mount ro if it detects errors. Try fsck.vfat
17:05:38AlexPmoos: Surely try to fix it before reformat?
17:05:45AlexPThat seems a bit extreme
17:05:50moosindeed if possible
17:05:53LinuxMafiaok thanks alot
17:06:02IwannaRockboxShure looks like I have a lot to learn :) thanks for your help guys.
17:07:27LinuxMafiaok yeah i make aback up
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17:07:59moosjust in case you have to reformat; back ups are always good
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17:16:55mjheagle8after installing rockbox on my ipod, it is recognized by lsusb but is not automounted and does not receive a /dev entry. why does this occur/how do i fix it?
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17:25:05CIA-43New commit by kugel (r22696): Repair and ...
17:27:40kugelstrange, I again get no more builds
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17:29:49CIA-43New commit by kkurbjun (r22697): Jpeg Viewer: Add support for Vertical Strides
17:30:59kkurbjunkugel: I've been thinking a bit more about on the fly rotation. I think it could be done without too much trouble in the main build
17:31:04kkurbjunplugins would be an issue
17:31:18kugel\0/ :)
17:31:54kkurbjunthe main build only has two bitmaps that would need to be handled
17:32:13kkurbjunif the USB bitmap could be factored into the skin that would make it even easier
17:34:24kugelaren't there a few built-in icons?
17:34:35kkurbjunwhat I was thinking is that when you change the orientation the skin could be cleared and then the user would have to load a new one in the proper orientation, that would allow the bitmaps to be reloaded in the proper orientation
17:35:33mjheagle8after installing rockbox on my ipod, it is recognized by lsusb but is not automounted and does not receive a /dev entry. why does this occur/how do i fix it?
17:37:23kkurbjunthere is a default set of icons, but they could be stored twice or there could be a special case to re-orient them - the usb icon could do the same I guess, but I think removing it into the skin would make more sense in the long term and keep it simpler
17:37:59kkurbjunplugins could also theoretically be re-oriented at load time, but I'm not sure how that would be implemented
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18:37:13DaveDavenportI opened up my philips hdd6320... anybody interrested in photo's from the pcb?
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18:39:21rasherDaveDavenport: Stick them on the wiki
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18:42:44DaveDavenportI will see if I can take some pictures tomorrow
18:43:08DaveDavenportI guess you guys are mostly interrested in the chip numbers
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18:43:54rasherIndeed. It's my understanding that many of the philips models are similar, so it could be that we already have much of the needed code for the hdd6320
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18:44:14DaveDavenportbeside the touchpad most things worked ok
18:44:19DaveDavenporttouchpad missed some buttons
18:44:35DaveDavenportmy hardisk seems to be unresponsive atm
18:45:00rasherAh, it already (almost) works! Didn't know that
18:45:04DaveDavenportso I am getting a "please connect player to pc"
18:45:21DaveDavenportrasher: I even mailed it to the ML, but got a bitch about it not being 100% correctly
18:46:23DaveDavenportonly have s imple canon, but I will take pictures tomorrow
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19:24:39incognitoHi, I just downloaded RockBox a few days ago, but I'm confused on how to get my shortcuts into the main menu, if possible. Right now the shortcut file appears in the 'Files' area, and i can see the icon when i plug it into my computer, but where do i move it to get it to show up alongside 'Files', and not inside of it (clearly I am not a programmer but i hope i got the gist across). Any help is a
19:26:56TheSevenincognito: Your message was clipped off after "Any help is a"
19:27:27incognito*appreciated* (so not a big loss)
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19:41:08PaulJam_incognito: i don't think it tis possible to add shortcuts to the main menu without modifying the source code.
19:41:54incognitodarn, i kinda suspected as much. Thanks for the reply though.
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20:32:43fmlHello. Could somebody shed some light at the problems with pitch_detector bitmaps compiling? See commit r22691 and today's remarks in IRC at 10:51 (
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21:00:45profilAnybody who knows Soaa?
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21:07:45profilAlexP: yes, a rockbox developer on samsung p2
21:08:09AlexPnever heard of him
21:08:22AlexPAnd haven't seen him here that I can remember
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21:12:09profilAlexP: Oh, but I'm sure he has been here, or is there another rockbox channel?
21:12:18AlexPno, just this one
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21:16:12AlexP!seen soaa
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21:27:58kugelfml: I find it a bit sad that you didn't seem to take notice on the typedef thing we objected
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21:40:40Szeraaxso i'm trying to remove some functionality in rockbox
21:41:09Szeraaxand commented lines 103 and 104 in the config-e220.h file (usign rockbox source)
21:42:23fmlkugel: could you provied a patch? I haven't followed the full discussion.
21:42:57SzeraaxCode: //#define CONFIG_TUNER LV24020LP −−AND−− //#define HAVE_TUNER_PWR_CTRL but now I get errors about stuff not being defined in functions are such. Anyone know how to remove the FM functionality in rockbox from the source and still be able to build it? I have confirmed that if those lines aren't commented (as they came) then I get a successful build
21:42:58fmlI think it's better to have the plugin in SVN, then it's easier to change. And to test. And it works!
21:43:12pixelmaAlexP: I think someone with this nick was around here (might have been a while, and maybe with a slightly different spelling) - and I think he has the same nick in the forums
21:43:58bertrikSzeraax, I'll have a look at that
21:44:10AlexPpixelma: yes I grepped it but he had left - there was a "soaa" asking about how to convert a font in 2006, then an "onlysoaa" who was last here in June
21:44:29Szeraaxbertrik: what other info would be most helpful so you don't have to waste time?
21:44:36bertrikIt's usually probably not the case that random combinations of features can be enabled or disabled
21:45:06bertrikyou're trying to remove the radio, right? Why do you want that?
21:45:37Szeraaxonce I commented the #define lines, I was getting my first error in apps/menus/recording_menu.c line 88
21:45:44SzeraaxYes, remove the radio functionality
21:46:10Szeraaxbecause I need to prove that my mp3 player is not capable of receiving radio if I want to take it with me
21:46:29Szeraaxrules\regulations... <3
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21:50:08Szeraaxhmm, just saw the bit about probably not being able to disable features. If you are indeed correct, then crap.
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21:54:06Szeraaxmight it work if I changed "#define HAVE_TUNER_PWR_CTRL" to "#define HAVE_TUNER_PWR_CTRL 0" (or False)?
21:54:08Szeraaxtime to go test
21:54:22bertrikno, that's not enough
21:56:17Szeraaxnope, sure didn't work
21:57:21Szeraaxso i might have to go through and remove ALL referencees to the FM\tuner stuff as well as all of the code for that so that it doesn't complain? oi...
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22:33:20Szeraaxso here's my question: in other config files, those lines may not exist that enable the radio. Aren't these config files running through the same code? why don't they throw an error? Can I change my config file to use a similar player that doesn't have FM capability?
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22:38:29Szeraaxoh. Firmware/target/... contains different stuff for different players. shutting up and back to tinkering
22:39:54pixelmaSzeraax: what player is this for?
22:40:12Szeraaxv1, non rhapsody
22:40:23Szeraaxtrying to nix the FM tuner
22:40:36Szeraaxgetting compile errors from source
22:43:05SzeraaxI think now ima try to leave the config file alone and edit the .c file that initializes the radio or something
22:43:12Szeraaxsee if that compiles and disables functionality
22:43:42kugelSzeraax: I'm not sure if radio can be disabled easily, but you can definitely easily hide the menu item
22:44:03Szeraaxoh? that would be AWESOME
22:44:15Szeraaxeffectively disables the radio for me
22:44:21kugeljust comment out some stuff in root_menu.c
22:44:33kugel(that file is in apps/)
22:44:39Szeraaxya, sadly I haven't played aroudn with source long enough to know the structure for rockbox
22:45:02Szeraax(got Subversion last night per rec from irc to start trying to build w/o radio)
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22:49:38pixelmafor what it's worth the tuner related difference in the config files between OndioSP and OndioFM is CONFIG_TUNER, CONFIG_TUNER_XTAL and HAVE_TUNER_PWR_CTRL
22:51:07Szeraaxya, i was comparing about 5 different config files to see if those gave me any clues
22:51:15Szeraaxbut no, just different erros while compiling :(
22:51:33SzeraaxI think kugel hit the nail on the head. This should work awesome. brb, compiling :D
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22:52:22domonokydisabling the features in the config should also work, if not, its a bug :-)
22:52:29Szeraaxthen its a bug.
22:52:52SzeraaxI was getting heinous errors whiile disabling from the config file and compiling
22:53:09Szeraax(compile worked file w/o the commented code)
22:53:18Szeraax(w/o the code commented*)
22:53:59pixelmaas the name says the OndioFM has a radio - the SP doesn't. By the way - if you aren't controlled often, maybe installing an original firmware without radio support (if there is one for the Rhapsody models) and a reverse bootloader that starts the original firmware by default might be a way. Only you would know how to start Rockbox and can even listen to the radio... but that's getting very off-topicy...
22:54:56Szeraaxya, I kinda screwed up my original firmware
22:55:14SzeraaxI heard that the European sansa firmware didn't have the radio option
22:55:20Szeraax(even though it may have the chip)
22:55:33Szeraaxso I got the EU .mi4 file and put it in the root
22:56:01Szeraaxafter it didn't work, I put the original US (same version as my original one) .mi4 into the root
22:56:07Szeraaxbut now it acts differently than before
22:56:19Szeraaxso that's kind of a bummer
22:57:09Szeraaxthe Rhapsody models have always had Radio support too, and sicne the EU didn't work for me, I'm inclined to make my changes through rockbox and lead them to believe that it is the only firmware on the palyer
22:59:10domonokyhm, it gets errors, because the recording_screen depends on fm, and isnt correctly ifdeffed
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23:00:52Szeraax2 other questions if anyone cares: 1. Anyone else get a error about file permissions when issuing "make zip" after build for a Dancepuffduo WPS? 2. Anyone know of a way to add entries to the "run this section on boot (the menu where you can say what menu to default to or to resume the last played playlist)" I would love to be able to start a plugin (demo) on boot automatically...
23:02:21Szeraaxdomonoky: interesting. what if we remove the dependancy from recording_screen and then comment? should work?(i'm prolly wrong)
23:02:23krazykitSzeraax, i believe the plugin-on-boot is provided by autorock, which should be covered in the manual
23:02:32Szeraaxawesome, will check it out
23:02:40krazykiti'm not sure if that's the exact name, though
23:03:04domonoky how do you build for a specific wps ? do you want to include the wps in the make zip thing ?
23:03:43SzeraaxI don't care about that specific one, no. but it is just in my wps folder that I got from the SVN
23:03:51SzeraaxI suppose I could prolly delete it fine...
23:03:59domonokySzeraax: yes if we correctly ifdef in recording_menu.c disabling the radio in the config should work
23:04:48domonokydisabling recording via config is at moment also broken on e200..
23:04:56SzeraaxI am using an e200
23:05:10Szeraaxv1, non Rhapsody
23:05:26Szeraaxwhat were you using before when you got the error for your build?
23:06:21pixelmaah, from recording. This difference could be why I wouldn't see a problem on the Ondios - recording radio is done from the radio screen on those, not via context menu from the recording screen
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23:06:44dirtydavhows it going?
23:06:56Szeraaxpretty good
23:07:01Szeraaxmy compile jsut worked :D
23:07:09Szeraaxso ima see if my changes actually work or not here soon
23:08:14Szeraaxpixelma: I see. and yes, I don't get controlled often. Basically once or twice
23:10:36dirtydavjust got a "new" ipod photo and got rockbox on it last night very simple and easy and wanted to say thanks
23:11:34Szeraaxcoolio, gald to hear you didn't have problems. and I agree. THANKS!!!!!!!!!!!!! to the devs (like Dom I think?) that made such an awesome firmware to save us from the woes of corperations
23:13:12dirtydavyeah, the main feature i like is the extremely customizable EQ a great improvement from the stock preset ones
23:13:23Szeraax<3<3<3 kugel thanks so much! totally worked nice
23:13:49Szeraaxnow to start tinkering with those other things...
23:15:50dirtydavI had another question also does it madder where i put the songs? on the ipod it names them very funky code names and when i copy paste them on it will it still be able to be read from the stock OS?
23:16:51SzeraaxI dont know for sure, but I know each file can contain meta data that provides song name, artist, composer, year, etc
23:16:55domonokyrockbox will play files from everywhere. the original firmware ofcourse still needs itunes (for ipods)
23:17:09Szeraaxassuming that the meta data is present, file name should not matter
23:18:20dirtydavi CAN read them from rockbox :) just wondering if i copy/paste them in linux without itunes will i be able to read them from apples OS
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23:19:11domonokydirtydav: no rockbox doesnt change how the OF works, so it still needs its itunes db and its strange filenames... but who needs the OF ?
23:19:21Arcis work being done to add firewire sync and sleep to the rockbox firmware?
23:20:05Arci love it, just a bit annoying to have to keep manually restarting it
23:20:18dirtydavyeah, just a quesion i was wondering... im on linux and i like the copy/paste V.S. sync anyday
23:20:24domonokyArc: i dont think anyone is working on that. so feel free to jump in :-)
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23:20:50Arci got a long enough todo stack, was just being hopeful that it was being worked on :-)
23:21:09Arcalso trying to decide to go with a tiny ogg-only player or stick with the ipod
23:21:42domonokySzeraax: to autostart a plugin take a look at apps\main.c line 119 :-)
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23:22:21Szeraaxya, while I was in that file I saw the autostart section which prompted my old question
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23:24:35Szeraaxdomonoky: so is adding the ifdeff to the recording_menu file something that is quick and easy; a standard thing that was jsut an oversight? or something big and scary
23:25:55domonokySzeraax: its probably not so big thing, but currently i dont understand the code there so i am not sure what to change to make it work correctly :-)
23:27:28dirtydavwhat OS are you guys running on your computers ?
23:27:43dirtydavim on puppy linux 4.2.1
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23:28:26*domonoky runs windows and sometimes linux, put we probably have many different os in use here. and please stay on topic ! :-)
23:28:38krazykitdirtydav, this is an on-topic channel about rockbox. please keep it about rockbox, and if you haven't read the IrcGuidelines, you really should
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23:29:09dirtydavok, sorry
23:29:44domonokyJdGordon: you lastly poked at recording_menu.c, maybe you know how to best fix the FM radio config issue ?
23:29:54JdGordonwhats the problem?
23:30:23domonokyif you disable fm recoder in the config-target.h file it breaks (line 88ff )
23:30:43JdGordondecimal please :)
23:30:49domonoky88 and following
23:31:40SzeraaxFound using sansa e200 config file (for me at least)
23:32:06domonokythere is no LANG_FM_RADIO without radio (line 88) and the check at line 93 also doesnt seem to work correctly..
23:32:47JdGordoni tihnk thats jhMikeS's work...
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23:35:39JdGordonis rockbox FAT not case sensitive?
23:36:28Szeraaxhmm, I'm not finding much about AUTOROCK... can anyone explain this a lil more or point me to better reading? I enable the "#define AUTOROCK" line in the main.c file and what else? how do I define what rock to start on load? or is that done through the main.c file? would it be easier to jsut add the rock file manually to the autostart list in the settings area for the system?
23:36:49JdGordonit runs autorock.rock in the plugins folder
23:37:37Szeraaxand where do I get it? again, very little on google about this
23:37:47Szeraaxor is it another always there feature?
23:37:53JdGordonin the .rockbox/rocks/apps folder
23:38:06JdGordonyou have to enabe it on your own buil
23:38:16JdGordonautorock.rock is just a renamed plugin
23:38:27SzeraaxI get it!
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23:38:29Szeraaxawesome, thanks
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23:38:31Szeraaxtime to go test
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23:38:59domonokySzeraax: just rename any plugin to autostart.rock
23:39:06Szeraaxafter I enable that line
23:39:08Szeraaxgot it.
23:39:16*domonoky was too late :-)
23:39:35saratoga_anyone looked at the second patch in FS #10605 - Patch for stable playback for clip_v1?
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23:40:13Szeraax1 other question. When building, how much of the compile process do I need to re do? atm I am going into my build folder, deleting all. running the tools/configure script and then 'make', 'make zip' commands
23:40:26Szeraaxcan I jsut make the changes I want to to main.c and then make?
23:40:33Szeraaxassumign still building for same player
23:40:52SzeraaxUGH, i'm sorry bout all my terrible spellings. I hate typing lol.
23:41:28saratoga_the make file will recompile whatever it needs to
23:42:11Szeraaxwell darn, that's amazing. I'm glad to be able to cut out all the extra fluff from my compiling time
23:43:09JdGordonsaratoga_: oh nice.... althugh neither sound like they fix the root cause
23:43:25saratoga_i'm trying to figure out what the second one would even do
23:43:56saratoga_I didn't think overlap could be greater then the size of the object you're moving
23:44:05kugelmoving codecs around doesn't seem to be the cause
23:44:20kugelsince you also get it with mp3-only playlists
23:45:08JdGordonI wonder if the codec ever gets buffered anyway with such a small buffer anyway
23:45:20saratoga_its a shame theres no easy way to script calls to the buffering system
23:45:29saratoga_this seems like the perfect place to have a test driver
23:45:46saratoga_since doing it through the GUI is rarely reproducable
23:45:47kugelbut it may have something to do with handles being buffered not completely
23:45:59JdGordonthat shouldnt ever be a rpoblem
23:46:11JdGordoni mean.. if it is then it shouldnt be limited to low mem targets
23:46:18JdGordonit will be much more obvious though
23:46:39saratoga_i'm sure its just a stupid check thats missing somewhere on one of these copies
23:48:17JdGordonvery possibly
23:48:30JdGordonor an off by one.. or something qually annoying
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