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| 00:44:09 | n17ikh | Hey, I'm getting a 403 forbidden on http://www.rockbox.org/since-4weeks.html , http://www.rockbox.org/since-12months.html , and http://www.rockbox.org/since30.html |
| 00:44:19 | n17ikh | as linked on http://www.rockbox.org/recent.shtml |
| 00:44:40 | Hillshum | froggyman: Is this screen from the OF or RB? |
| 00:44:57 | Hillshum | n17ikh: Those aren't for you :P |
| 00:45:04 | n17ikh | :/ |
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| 00:45:13 | n17ikh | they used to be. |
| 00:45:13 | Zagor | n17ikh: we've just moved the site. I'll fix them. |
| 00:46:07 | froggyman | Hillshum: its the "patented 'Please wait Very low battery'" screen, which is hard coded (i think) into the iPod, in a similar way to diagnostics and diskmode |
| 00:46:30 | Hillshum | Hmm. What charger? |
| 00:47:23 | froggyman | The USB port through my computer ( I know it is getting some form of power, as if I un plug it, it goes blank) |
| 00:48:03 | Hillshum | Hmm. Is it a port on the back, without a hub in the way? |
| 00:48:35 | froggyman | in the front, to hub, directly connected to the computer |
| 00:48:41 | froggyman | s/to/no |
| 00:48:50 | froggyman | no hud |
| 00:48:58 | Hillshum | what about a hub? |
| 00:49:04 | froggyman | not that either |
| 00:49:10 | Hillshum | Back ports seem to be better |
| 00:49:17 | froggyman | ok |
| 00:49:26 | * | froggyman gives it a shot |
| 00:50:09 | * | stripwax couldn't see the original message from froggyman, what are we talking about exactly? |
| 00:50:33 | froggyman | its a please wait very low battery message |
| 00:50:47 | scorche|sh | so plug it in and wait a while? |
| 00:50:49 | stripwax | does it just need charging? |
| 00:51:15 | froggyman | scorche|sh: how long, its been ~3 hours? |
| 00:51:30 | stripwax | there's also that ipod rockbox low battery problem of course |
| 00:51:32 | scorche|sh | froggyman: typically 16-24 hours is recommended |
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| 00:51:41 | stripwax | tried holding down menu+Select? |
| 00:51:49 | froggyman | ohh, ok I'll let it sit over night |
| 00:52:08 | Hillshum_ | Charging shouldn't take that long should it? |
| 00:53:19 | scorche|sh | it depends |
| 00:53:48 | * | froggyman had it charging in rockbox all day, but then came home to find out the battery was dead |
| 00:54:15 | * | froggyman leaves |
| 00:56:20 | saratoga | i think if you over discharge a lipoly battery they slowly recharge them in order to avoid damage, so thats probably the mode triggered on the ipod |
| 00:56:35 | saratoga | also, new front page: http://www.duke.edu/~mgg6/rockbox/ |
| 00:56:41 | saratoga | last chance to complain before I hit commit |
| 00:57:17 | stripwax | saratoga - ugh, what's that? |
| 00:58:22 | saratoga | stripwax: seen the mailing list discussion? |
| 00:59:19 | stripwax | froggyman - it might be that you only thought it was charging, and it was actually still discharging, is that possible? e.g. backlight or disk usage while connected via usb to your pc? |
| 00:59:58 | stripwax | saratoga - I've got email problems at the moment, so no unfortunately |
| 01:00 |
| 01:00:11 | stripwax | but a webpage that says #if 1 #define _LOGO_ ?? |
| 01:00:31 | saratoga | stripwax: thats how the source for the page looks when viewed without the other scripts |
| 01:00:46 | saratoga | the only thing actually changed is the text |
| 01:00:51 | stripwax | oh, ok. sorry! |
| 01:01:13 | saratoga | here have a diff http://pastebin.com/m635557a1 |
| 01:01:14 | linuxstb | saratoga: Can't you post a diff then? |
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| 01:02:00 | saratoga | i find the diff confusing since I don't know html or whatever langange that page is in |
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| 01:03:38 | Hillshum_ | stripwax: How much data does that amount to? |
| 01:04:38 | stripwax | Hillshum_ - the spam? no idea, too much |
| 01:04:53 | linuxstb | saratoga: I would change the phrase "serious problems that limit it to advanced users" to something like "serious problems that limit its usefulness" |
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| 01:06:41 | stripwax | saratoga - so last mail I have on mailing list was the "3.4 Feature Freeze" from the 14th |
| 01:07:22 | saratoga | linuxstb: the idea about unstable ports is that they've nearly as useful as stable ports but have missing features such manual, installers, recording, etc |
| 01:07:25 | Hillshum_ | stripwax: I was before that |
| 01:07:30 | saratoga | and may be buggy |
| 01:07:45 | saratoga | i'm not sure I'd say they're less useful |
| 01:07:45 | Hillshum_ | and may have uSD issues |
| 01:07:50 | saratoga | yes that too |
| 01:08:06 | saratoga | although the e200v1 was supported for 2 years with at least as serious uSD issues |
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| 01:10:28 | stripwax | Hillshum - oh the "Supported vs. Unsupported Builds" discussion, right. |
| 01:10:48 | saratoga | perhaps "Rockbox runs on these players, but is incomplete, missing features, or has serious problems that limit it to advanced users" |
| 01:10:53 | linuxstb | saratoga: I just imagine that a lot of the bugs in "unstable" targets will be just as annoying to "advanced users" as other users. |
| 01:11:10 | Zagor | n17ikh: fixed |
| 01:11:30 | Hillshum | more advanced users might be better prepared for lots of reformats |
| 01:11:43 | Zagor | umm, except the 4weeks is a bit short... |
| 01:11:46 | saratoga | if you have to reformat its probably not going to be considered unstable |
| 01:12:09 | * | Hillshum hasn't done much with his e200v2 lately... |
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| 01:13:18 | Zagor | that's better |
| 01:13:40 | saratoga | linuxstb: do you have another phrasing? i just don't want to imply that a target necessarily is less useful |
| 01:14:11 | Hillshum | "Provide slight annoyances"? |
| 01:14:20 | saratoga | the e200v2 for instance mainly suffers from a uSD compatibility issues and lack of recording (which is mostly useless anyway since there is no line in) |
| 01:14:26 | saratoga | and lack of USB I suppose |
| 01:14:55 | saratoga | i don't think its less useful, although the install process is complicated enough that many users might have trouble with it |
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| 01:21:07 | mc2739 | Zagor: is there a problem with the IRC logs? When I try to access the log for the 15th, it brings up the current log for the 16th |
| 01:21:22 | saratoga | linuxstb: "Rockbox runs on these players, but maybe be incomplete, less usable, or have serious problems that limit it to advanced users" |
| 01:21:34 | saratoga | seems to get to the gist of what you wanted to say |
| 01:21:42 | Zagor | mc2739: checking |
| 01:22:53 | n17ikh | Zagor: thanks |
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| 01:26:12 | linuxstb | saratoga: I'm just reading the mailing list thread at the moment... Are you suggesting that "unstable" targets don't need to have released bootloader binaries? |
| 01:27:39 | saratoga | linuxstb: just one linked from the wiki |
| 01:27:52 | saratoga | releasing bootloaders officially has proven quite difficult for us lately |
| 01:28:00 | linuxstb | I thought we were against putting binaries in the wiki... |
| 01:28:11 | saratoga | they shouldn't be hosted there, no |
| 01:28:15 | saratoga | since thats quite dangerous |
| 01:28:16 | linuxstb | Yes, I've noticed the pp-bootloaders are still in the wrong place... |
| 01:28:32 | saratoga | putting them in a forum thread seems easy enough though |
| 01:28:45 | saratoga | as was done for the AMS sansas |
| 01:29:09 | Zagor | if anyone can make me a tarball or zip with them in the right places, I can fix it in no time. But I don't know where they should be (and I don't want to have to move them around). |
| 01:29:11 | saratoga | basically the idea was to take the soft release we did for the AMS devices and formalize it into a standard launch procedure for in progress ports |
| 01:29:31 | saratoga | Zagor: i think they just overwrite the existing ones on the website |
| 01:29:40 | linuxstb | Zagor: It's not that easy - someone also needs to move the old files to a backup location... |
| 01:29:44 | saratoga | and the existing ones get moved to whereever (or even deleted) |
| 01:30:27 | linuxstb | saratoga: But just go ahead with your commit - as others said in the mailing list thread, if we argue about wording, nothing will change. |
| 01:30:29 | Zagor | well, a shell script and a tarball then |
| 01:30:39 | CIA-43 | New commit by saratoga (r22700): Update front page text to mention first of the new Unstable devices, the e200v2 and Fuze. |
| 01:30:39 | saratoga | ok done |
| 01:31:19 | saratoga | Zagor: would you check that what i've done is ok and then finish the job |
| 01:31:20 | Zagor | updated |
| 01:31:53 | saratoga | nice |
| 01:31:55 | linuxstb | Zagor: I can't connect to www.rockbox.org... |
| 01:32:09 | Zagor | linuxstb: then your dns is slow. |
| 01:32:40 | Zagor | our bind is set to 30 minutes TTL, so everyone should have the new IP by now |
| 01:32:55 | saratoga | the text for unstable devices should probably word wrap but i didn't know how to do that |
| 01:33:02 | kugel | saratoga: awesome. time to get the RC away from the bootloaders I suppose |
| 01:33:27 | Zagor | saratoga: I'll tweak that later |
| 01:33:29 | kugel | and copy the installation instructions from the forum thread to the wiki |
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| 01:34:20 | kugel | saratoga: </br> or so? It's been a while since I looked at html |
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| 01:34:57 | linuxstb | Shouldn't the page just wrap automatically? |
| 01:35:02 | linuxstb | s/page/text/ |
| 01:35:12 | saratoga | kugel: the wiki already has nice directions |
| 01:35:29 | saratoga | IMO the forums should just be copy of the wiki, or else they should be combined if the forums one is more clear |
| 01:35:43 | Zagor | linuxstb: it does, but only after the box fills the witdth of the screen. previously the containing box was centered and slightly narrower. |
| 01:35:48 | kugel | I think the ones in the forum are better though |
| 01:36:04 | saratoga | ok then replace the wiki ones |
| 01:36:18 | kugel | the box is huge on my 1024x768 display now :p |
| 01:36:24 | saratoga | yeah mine too |
| 01:36:32 | saratoga | IMO it should be limited in width somehow |
| 01:37:02 | kugel | is it planned to list devices under unstable? |
| 01:37:10 | kugel | unusable I mean |
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| 01:38:23 | saratoga | kugel: no |
| 01:38:34 | saratoga | just mention they exist and motion towards the wiki |
| 01:38:55 | JdGordon_ | saratoga: you do any more clip investigation? |
| 01:39:01 | linuxstb | Zagor: What's the new IP address for www.rockbox.org? |
| 01:39:11 | Zagor | 83.168.254.42 |
| 01:39:14 | saratoga | JdGordon_: unfortunately no, I'm really busy this week |
| 01:39:32 | saratoga | also waiting for Nico_P to take a look and get back to me with some questions |
| 01:39:40 | JdGordon_ | fair enough |
| 01:39:49 | saratoga | during the semester school takes most of my time |
| 01:39:52 | linuxstb | Zagor: Hmm, that's what I'm resolving to... |
| 01:39:52 | JdGordon_ | yeah, as usual not much discussion on th eml :( |
| 01:40:09 | JdGordon_ | hehe, "no site here" for the ip |
| 01:40:18 | Zagor | linuxstb: can you connect to svn.rockbox.org? |
| 01:40:21 | kugel | saratoga: then I think the text in the paranthesis should be in a seperate line. it looks weird that stabe and unstable are lists |
| 01:40:24 | Zagor | or curl.haxx.se |
| 01:40:45 | saratoga | kugel: commit anything you think needs fixing |
| 01:41:02 | JdGordon_ | Zagor: www.rb.org works.... rb.org doesnt |
| 01:41:09 | saratoga | svn co svn://svn.rockbox.org/rockbox/www . |
| 01:41:18 | kugel | alright |
| 01:41:53 | JdGordon_ | I thought we decided the mr500 would be in the unstable group? |
| 01:42:00 | JdGordon_ | and beast? |
| 01:42:13 | linuxstb | Zagor: Sorry, ignore me. For some reason I've got www.rockbox.org hard-coded in my /etc/hosts... |
| 01:42:17 | Zagor | JdGordon_: fixing |
| 01:42:21 | Zagor | linuxstb: haha |
| 01:43:24 | Zagor | saratoga, kugel: can we wait with committing web pages a little while? I still have a bunch of uncommitted changes due to the server move |
| 01:43:33 | Zagor | so commits now will cause conflicts |
| 01:43:57 | Zagor | I intend to commit my changes tomorrow |
| 01:43:58 | saratoga | JdGordon_: we need install directions first |
| 01:44:04 | saratoga | sure i'm done |
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| 01:44:44 | saratoga | JdGordon_: http://www.rockbox.org/mail/archive/rockbox-dev-archive-2009-09/0022.shtml |
| 01:44:51 | saratoga | the mr500 might be ready I didn't look into it |
| 01:45:07 | kugel | Zagor: the current build page looks weird (entirely white) and the release page is the one from pre-3.0 |
| 01:45:29 | saratoga | ping karl and ask him what he thinks, then make sure the wiki has directions, a list of what works and doesn't and a bootloader |
| 01:45:41 | fish_ | http://www.rockbox.org/tracker/task/10607?string=d2 <- is there anything i can help you to add support for that controller as a non c coder? ;) some more details needed or something like that? |
| 01:46:18 | kugel | fish_: the bug tracker is not suitable for that kind of stuff |
| 01:46:30 | kugel | you should've posted that in the developement thread of the d2 |
| 01:46:49 | saratoga | just close that, and post anything useful in the development thread |
| 01:47:19 | saratoga | AFAIK the only person working on the D2 is shotofadds so you can just tell him things |
| 01:47:22 | Zagor | kugel: download page fixed. I'll work on the build page tomorrow. |
| 01:47:26 | saratoga | anyway real life calls i have to run |
| 01:47:58 | Zagor | but now I need my 4 hours of sleep |
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| 02:31:28 | fish_ | kugel: ok :/ but how can i close the bug? |
| 02:32:49 | darkham | hi, where can i read some feature of the next 3.4? |
| 02:33:25 | JdGordon_ | the MAjorChanges link on the site |
| 02:37:26 | darkham | great |
| 02:41:46 | fish_ | looks like PCF50635 is a smaller version of the PCF50607 |
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| 02:42:04 | fish_ | you have support for the PCF50607, right? |
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| 03:06:55 | fish_ | amiconn: did you remeber you saying "amiconn suspects that the pcf50607 is actually a pcf50605 in a smaller package"? ;) |
| 03:07:18 | fish_ | amiconn: so the PCF50635 is a smaller version of the PCF50607 which is a smaller version of the pcf50605? ;)) |
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| 05:10:22 | kkurbjun | saratoga, Zagor: I'm reading the logs now, I think the mr500 is ready for unstable status. It is very usable and has installation instructions in the wiki |
| 05:10:34 | kkurbjun | multiple methods for installation actually |
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| 05:42:51 | Overand | IT'S TIME TO ANSWER |
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| 05:42:58 | Overand | wow ok |
| 05:43:03 | Overand | that was NOT THE RIGHT CHANNEL |
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| 05:43:41 | Overand | Though #rockbox is of course invited to make out with me if it would like to as well |
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| 10:39:21 | Grahack | Hi, I successfully built the simulator on my laptop and I'm trying to build for my real iPod now. Problem is I get "rockbox/apps/action.c:26:18: error: lang.h: No such file or directory" while I never had this error building the sim. Any hint ? |
| 10:40:20 | gevaerts | yes, you're not building in a clean directory |
| 10:42:33 | Grahack | gevaerts: thanks, it works now |
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| 10:45:05 | pyro_maniac | the irc log seems to be not as usual. it didn't get updated in firefox |
| 10:46:27 | Zagor | oh right, there is something wrong with it. I'll look at it. |
| 10:47:03 | pyro_maniac | and what is missing on the samsung devices to get unstable? |
| 10:47:17 | pyro_maniac | i mean the samsung yh devices |
| 10:49:46 | markun | I think that we have no driver for the flash memory (at least not FTL) |
| 10:50:12 | markun | who are working on the port, just bertrik? |
| 10:50:16 | gevaerts | markun: not those samsung devices :) |
| 10:50:20 | pyro_maniac | not the yh devices don't need ftl |
| 10:51:31 | markun | I'll shut up :) |
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| 10:52:29 | pyro_maniac | i didn't tested the rbutil support for it but it think they can be named as unstabel |
| 10:52:39 | pyro_maniac | *unstable |
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| 12:11:44 | CIA-43 | New commit by dave (r22701): Implement -add for 2nd gen Nano |
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| 12:15:03 | edo1493 | hi i have some questions... |
| 12:15:58 | edo1493 | is rockbox an OS for ipod viedo 80gb? |
| 12:16:28 | edo1493 | must i delete the apple firmware? |
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| 12:18:07 | linuxstb | edo1493: It works on the "Video", but not the "Classic". And no, you dual-boot between the Apple firmware and Rockbox. |
| 12:18:32 | edo1493 | i have an ipod video 80gb |
| 12:18:47 | edo1493 | so i have two firmware ? |
| 12:19:01 | linuxstb | Yes |
| 12:19:09 | edo1493 | i can't delete completely apple firmware? |
| 12:19:56 | edo1493 | ? |
| 12:20:12 | linuxstb | Not all of it, no. But you don't know it's there once Rockbox is installed. |
| 12:20:42 | edo1493 | ok |
| 12:21:09 | edo1493 | but i have many songs and videos how can i download them to my pc? |
| 12:21:47 | linuxstb | Is that related to Rockbox? When you install Rockbox, it will find all the music already there (but won't play any of your videos) |
| 12:22:11 | linuxstb | We also have a fine manual and website that you may want to read... |
| 12:22:38 | edo1493 | ok so i must convert videos in rockbox format? |
| 12:23:13 | linuxstb | I wouldn't bother - Rockbox's video playback on the ipod video isn't as good as Apple's firmware, as Rockbox doesn't use the hardware video decoder in that ipod. |
| 12:23:32 | linuxstb | So for videos, use Apple's firmware. |
| 12:24:15 | edo1493 | :O so rockbox supports only music |
| 12:24:24 | edo1493 | ok thank you |
| 12:24:31 | edo1493 | i have downloaded the manual |
| 12:24:42 | sinthetek | it will play the videos |
| 12:24:48 | sinthetek | just not as well as the apple firmware |
| 12:24:56 | sinthetek | with that model |
| 12:25:04 | edo1493 | ok |
| 12:25:13 | edo1493 | so the video is not good |
| 12:25:19 | sinthetek | but if you want to convert and play them on rockbox, then by all means... |
| 12:25:40 | linuxstb | edo1493: On the ipod video, no. But on most other devices Rockbox runs on, Rockbox video playback is better than the original firmware. |
| 12:25:42 | sinthetek | i dunno how good it is personally, just trying to paraphrase what linuxstb said :P |
| 12:26:12 | edo1493 | i want only remove mp4 an use a free format |
| 12:26:20 | edo1493 | no proprietary |
| 12:27:22 | edo1493 | ok i am hungry |
| 12:27:29 | edo1493 | thank you |
| 12:27:30 | edo1493 | bye |
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| 12:57:37 | linuxstb | bluebrother, domonoky (for the logs): Is there a new rbutil planned for the near future? I'm working on Nano2G support for ipodpatcher, but won't commit it if you have an rbutil release pending (the changes are quite intrusive, as the current ipodpatcher assumes lots of things about the firmware partition layout which isn't true for the Nano2G, so I've been making the ipodpatcher code more general). |
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| 13:32:06 | Zagor | we need an ondavx747 playerpic |
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| 13:37:06 | CIA-43 | New commit by zagor (r22702): Use a better multipart delimiter |
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| 13:41:24 | CIA-43 | New commit by zagor (r22703): Updated web content for new server. |
| 13:46:42 | pyro_maniac | Zagor: did you see that not all commiter names are converted into real names? |
| 13:49:02 | Zagor | fixed |
| 13:59:49 | kugel | Zagor: I think I found some bugs in the build client |
| 13:59:59 | Zagor | ok? |
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| 14:01:36 | kugel | at least 1. my client, and some others, didn't get new builds after ~2min or so. the worst case I had was that my client doesn't get a build anymore after 1.5min, and the round took 3min after that (so 4.5min in total) |
| 14:02:22 | kugel | sadly rasher's site isn't update to date, his graphs show it easily |
| 14:03:54 | kugel | I think it was 22698 |
| 14:05:19 | kugel | oh, and the other bug was that my client was totally underrated for no apparent reason, although it seems to have gotten better over a few builds. it was just strange because its rating was ok when I last attached it two days before or so |
| 14:06:52 | kugel | diff-stats on the tracker are gone |
| 14:10:38 | CIA-43 | New commit by zagor (r22704): Updated location of COMMITTERS file. |
| 14:11:34 | Zagor | diffstat installed |
| 14:12:59 | Zagor | clients don't start builds that they have no hope of completing. therefore some clients now stop before the round is finished. |
| 14:13:17 | kugel | huh? |
| 14:13:30 | kugel | shouldn't they still be used for speculative parallel building? |
| 14:13:43 | kugel | what's the point in leaving them idle? |
| 14:14:33 | Zagor | only for builds that they can reasonable be expected to complete. having my viac3 start an ipodvideo build after 200 seconds is both silly and actually impacts round time negatively |
| 14:14:52 | kugel | apparently the last 6 build rounds took way too long (all ~4.5min), for whatever reason (the reason for my client was probably that it was totally underrated) |
| 14:15:20 | kugel | how does it impact the round time? |
| 14:15:28 | Zagor | all rounds take way too long. that's simply the way it is. |
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| 14:17:27 | kugel | it may sound silly, but it's not since the expectation isn't very accurate. I looked at the the build graphs, and the blue bars (the expectation) and the other bars vastly differed for many clients |
| 14:18:07 | kugel | my client was idle for 3 min, even though it can manage 2 fully bloated builds in that time |
| 14:18:26 | Zagor | link? |
| 14:18:30 | kugel | at least 1 for sure, maybe the second one is getting close |
| 14:18:54 | kugel | rasher.dk/rockbox/buildgraphs/">http://rasher.dk/rockbox/buildgraphs/ ... |
| 14:19:36 | Zagor | yeah, but which round? |
| 14:21:11 | kugel | I can't tell for sure, I seem to remember it was 22698 |
| 14:21:38 | kugel | all the most recent builds were similar in that extend though |
| 14:24:16 | petur | hmmm rasher.dk/rockbox/buildgraphs/">http://rasher.dk/rockbox/buildgraphs/ isn't working for me |
| 14:24:42 | kugel | how does that rating work? it's impressive how the avg speed for my client varied each round starting with r22693 |
| 14:26:33 | Zagor | kugel: see sub getspeed in http://svn.rockbox.org/viewvc.cgi/www/buildserver/rbmaster.pm |
| 14:26:50 | Zagor | basically it's the "33% mediam" of your last 20 builds |
| 14:26:53 | Zagor | median |
| 14:26:56 | kugel | 86, 86, 41, 87, 135 |
| 14:27:42 | Zagor | yes, build speeds vary a lot. I still haven't split them up by compiler. |
| 14:27:57 | kugel | I also wonder why I only got checkwps builds in r22693. I got normal builds and had +200 avg speed when I had it attached before |
| 14:28:06 | Zagor | some compilers give lower speed. bootloaders give lower speed and checkwps gives lower speed. |
| 14:29:26 | kugel | that was also a round where I finished like 10x checkwps within 30 seconds, and the rest 150s of the build I was idle |
| 14:31:33 | kugel | I still don't understand how starting a not-expected-to-complete (which is even wrong for my and some other clients) negatively impacts the build time, can you explain that? |
| 14:31:52 | kugel | it doesn't make sense to me to let clients idle at all |
| 14:33:26 | Zagor | because each build has a "started by" counter, and the big sort routing uses that as one of the parameter to choose builds to run. so if clients mega-slow and molasses-sleep start building ipodvideo and onda747 then mega-fast and zippy-me will instead take player and recorder. which means ipodvideo will be completed later. |
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| 14:36:30 | Zagor | now rasher's page works again |
| 14:36:39 | Zagor | (it was my fault) |
| 14:37:26 | kugel | I don't completing ipodvideo later think that's a real problem. mega-fast and zippy-me will complete both builds and ipodvideo before mega-slow and -sleep even finished configure. if mega-fast and zippy started ipodvideo first, then player and recorder after that it evens out |
| 14:37:57 | kugel | but I do think that trusting on inaccurate rating is a problem, and it looks like it makes builds take 4.5min instead of <3min |
| 14:38:31 | Zagor | no it doesn't |
| 14:38:36 | kugel | you can see in the debug page how the green and blue bars differ |
| 14:39:23 | petur | I get the feeling that by making the system more complex, it also gets slower.... |
| 14:39:29 | kugel | ah, and I possibly only got checkwps builds because I entered the round late (I forgot to turn it on before my commit and did it right after) |
| 14:39:33 | Zagor | uh, yes? sometimes the client is much faster, sometimes it is much slower |
| 14:40:08 | Zagor | yes, that would be it. you start with the small builds if you come in the middle of a round |
| 14:40:24 | Zagor | ccache makes speed prediction nearly futile |
| 14:40:42 | Zagor | *accurate speed prediction |
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| 14:42:43 | Zagor | if you look at the graphs you see that it's only at the very end that clients go idle. and only the very slow clients. |
| 14:43:13 | kugel | my client and b32-roolku really look bad in rasher.dk/rockbox/buildgraphs/graph.php?r=22695&debug">http://rasher.dk/rockbox/buildgraphs/graph.php?r=22695&debug |
| 14:43:54 | kugel | my client isn't slow, it's rather fast. it always has been in the top15. it does ipodvideo in <110s without ccache |
| 14:44:16 | Zagor | yes, that is a special case. since you only built bootloaders you got a very low score. |
| 14:44:52 | Zagor | that whole round looks rather suspect though. |
| 14:45:17 | kugel | all 4.5 min rounds do |
| 14:45:21 | * | kugel thinks the rating is too inaccurate to let it dismiss clients |
| 14:46:42 | Zagor | fine, I'll disable that check a few rounds |
| 14:49:50 | Zagor | regarding "it evens out": no, it doesn't. that's the whole challenge of build scheduling. fast rounds require an optimally laid puzzle, not just brute force. |
| 14:52:59 | kugel | this best-fit is still only applied for the round start, right? |
| 14:53:03 | Zagor | yes |
| 14:54:37 | kugel | well, then I imagine it would be better to use best-fit within the rounds too if possible. this way mega-fast would get ipod-video and mega-slow would get the player, instead of killing mega-slow and let mega-fast do both ipodvideo and player |
| 14:54:40 | Zagor | now look at 22704, which has the check disabled. all clients that were previously disabled now get all their builds cancelled |
| 14:55:15 | kugel | you should've warned me, my client wasn't on :p |
| 14:55:25 | Zagor | look at some others. like b32-roolku |
| 14:55:37 | kugel | the round was 30s faster still, even without my fast client |
| 14:55:49 | petur | kugel: that's why the build rounds are slow, you keep your client off :p |
| 14:56:12 | Zagor | speeds vary. 22694 was sub-3 |
| 14:56:45 | kugel | I meant compared to the same build which was done with the check |
| 14:56:55 | Zagor | and yes, it would be fun to best-fit in the middle of rounds. but with the speed estimates we get, it's just wasted effort. |
| 14:56:58 | kugel | it looks like the same clients participated, except mine |
| 14:57:40 | Zagor | that doesn't really matter. they get different builds and therefore run at different speeds. |
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| 15:01:16 | kugel | best-fit in the middle seems vastly more promising than deactivating clients to me |
| 15:01:48 | kugel | also, a lot of clients even got their initial build killed in r22704 |
| 15:02:31 | Zagor | yup. fun, isn't it? |
| 15:02:31 | kugel | labb-zagor looks to me as if the disabling of the check enabled him to do a lot more builds, but it may just seem so |
| 15:03:00 | Zagor | looking at single rounds is like reading tea-leaves. you can see whatever you want so see :-) |
| 15:03:05 | kugel | shaidBuild-Shaid too |
| 15:03:36 | kugel | looking at other rounds doesn't help either since they have the check |
| 15:03:58 | kugel | it's a bit sad that the system is so non-deterministic |
| 15:04:10 | kugel | but you can't really help it |
| 15:04:14 | Zagor | what you should be looking at is the difference between blue and green bars. how much they differ both positively and negatively. then consider how much use it is re-allocating the schedule in the middle of the round with such noisy values. |
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| 15:04:57 | kugel | they still differ much from what I see |
| 15:05:17 | edo1493 | i am installing rockbox and i have a question |
| 15:05:22 | Zagor | I played a while with allocating slightly smaller builds (not filling the entire round time) so that the roolku clients would not be cancelled. but in the end it takes more time than it gains. |
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| 15:05:34 | Zagor | kugel: that's the point. they differ hugely. |
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| 15:05:40 | edo1493 | the manual say: b |
| 15:05:40 | edo1493 | Note: The entire contents of the .zip file should be extracted directly to the root of |
| 15:05:40 | edo1493 | your player’s drive. Do not try to create a separate directory on your player for the |
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| 15:05:40 | edo1493 | Rockbox files! The .zip file already contains the internal structure that Rockbox needs. |
| 15:06:02 | edo1493 | but in ipod what is the root? |
| 15:06:25 | kugel | Zagor: yea, but that fact is known, so I didn't investigate it further :p |
| 15:07:15 | kugel | is it just ccache that makes the rating so wrong for b32-roolku? |
| 15:07:30 | edo1493 | ?? |
| 15:07:41 | Zagor | as I understand it the roolku machines are often busy with real work. |
| 15:07:58 | Zagor | edo1493: do you not know what a root directory is? |
| 15:08:23 | edo1493 | ehm...no |
| 15:08:26 | Zagor | edo1493: try this http://www.webopedia.com/TERM/R/root_directory.html |
| 15:09:17 | Zagor | i.e. the topmost directory |
| 15:09:23 | edo1493 | ok |
| 15:09:35 | edo1493 | but what is the root directory of my ipod? |
| 15:09:47 | Zagor | well, where is it mounted? |
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| 15:10:04 | edo1493 | " b |
| 15:10:05 | edo1493 | the root of |
| 15:10:05 | edo1493 | your player’s drive |
| 15:10:05 | edo1493 | "ù |
| 15:10:17 | Zagor | ? |
| 15:10:35 | edo1493 | "the root of your player' s drive" what is? |
| 15:10:39 | dionoea | edo1493: what OS do you use? |
| 15:10:47 | edo1493 | gnewsense |
| 15:11:08 | kugel | ah yea, considering that the clients are very possibly busy during builds (and ccache) makes having accurate rating next to impossible |
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| 15:11:48 | dionoea | then as Zagor mentioned, the "root of your player's drive" is the mount point. So probably something like /media/ipod or /media/disk |
| 15:11:52 | evilnick | edo1493: The root folder is the drive letter (in Windows) or the mount point (I *think*, in linux). i.e. the iPod but no directory/folder under that |
| 15:12:02 | kugel | btw, I hope to get my monster client back in soon |
| 15:12:11 | Zagor | kugel: nice |
| 15:12:22 | gevaerts | evilnick: is there a reason you're trying the manual install instead of the GUI installer? |
| 15:12:31 | kugel | the uni moving is mostly finished, and the new semester is starting in 2 weeks |
| 15:12:35 | edo1493 | i use google... |
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| 15:13:08 | gevaerts | edo1493: is there a reason you're trying the manual install instead of the GUI installer? |
| 15:13:26 | edo1493 | no |
| 15:13:44 | edo1493 | I don't know what is the gui installer... |
| 15:13:50 | evilnick | edo1493: Perhaps you should use the RBUtil program then |
| 15:14:31 | dionoea | edo1493: http://www.rockbox.org/download/ |
| 15:14:48 | edo1493 | i have download that |
| 15:15:08 | edo1493 | now i must put it in the root directory.. |
| 15:15:30 | kugel | my client is online now, in case you want to do another build. my client should be able to do a alot more additionally to its expectation |
| 15:15:54 | Zagor | we'll see :-) |
| 15:16:06 | edo1493 | ? |
| 15:16:36 | evilnick | edo1493: http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/RockboxUtility#Download |
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| 15:17:22 | edo1493 | evilnick i have just downloaded it |
| 15:17:57 | edo1493 | now i should put it in the root directory of my ipod |
| 15:17:58 | Zagor | edo1493: you don't have to put the installer on your ipod. saveit on your computer, and run it. |
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| 15:18:24 | edo1493 | :o |
| 15:18:43 | edo1493 | right |
| 15:21:15 | edo1493 | Zagor thank you i am understanding..... |
| 15:21:36 | edo1493 | my installer is running |
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| 15:31:25 | edo1493 | when i select my device i must put the home folder? |
| 15:31:45 | edo1493 | ?? |
| 15:31:53 | edo1493 | like /media/ipod |
| 15:32:00 | evilnick | Yes |
| 15:32:50 | edo1493 | the rockbox utility don't find it.. |
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| 15:33:02 | edo1493 | doesn't* |
| 15:33:45 | edo1493 | "No ipod detected permission for disc acces denied" |
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| 15:36:46 | edo1493 | i have another errore when i click on install rockbox "Http error 404" |
| 15:37:43 | edo1493 | many ideas? |
| 15:38:16 | edo1493 | i understand it... :( |
| 15:38:20 | edo1493 | "Detected an unsupported Apple player variant. Sorry, Rockbox doesn't run on your player." |
| 15:40:11 | edo1493 | i have an ipod video 80gb i thinked it was compatible? |
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| 15:42:50 | edo1493 | ?? |
| 15:42:52 | gevaerts | edo1493: the ipod video is supported. The ipod classic is not. |
| 15:43:36 | edo1493 | my ipod is 80gb and i can see video |
| 15:43:45 | edo1493 | so i think it is ipod video |
| 15:43:54 | edo1493 | isn' it? |
| 15:43:54 | dionoea | the classic can display video too |
| 15:43:55 | merbzt | most likely a classic |
| 15:44:05 | dionoea | does it have rounded edges? |
| 15:44:29 | edo1493 | i don't remeber |
| 15:46:59 | edo1493 | how can i see if it is classic.? |
| 15:47:25 | dionoea | answering my question would help |
| 15:48:03 | edo1493 | ... |
| 15:48:09 | edo1493 | one moment |
| 15:48:32 | dionoea | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:20070913_iPod_5-6_Gen_side-by-side.JPG the left one is a classic, the right one is a video |
| 15:49:10 | evilnick | This link shows how to identify which model of ipod you have: http://support.apple.com/kb/HT1353 |
| 15:49:32 | edo1493 | dionea yes |
| 15:49:42 | edo1493 | dionoea yes |
| 15:50:42 | edo1493 | i didn't know what did you say for "edge" i am not english mother tongue |
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| 15:51:36 | edo1493 | dionoea my ipod is that in the photo |
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| 15:52:00 | evilnick | edo1493: Right, or left? |
| 15:52:10 | dionoea | I was going to ask the same :) |
| 15:52:11 | edo1493 | right |
| 15:52:22 | edo1493 | no left |
| 15:52:36 | edo1493 | left |
| 15:52:47 | evilnick | It's a classic and not supported then |
| 15:53:14 | edo1493 | :( |
| 15:54:03 | edo1493 | is there a free mp4 converter? |
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| 15:55:43 | evilnick | edo1493: Perhaps, but that is offtopic for this channel |
| 15:55:58 | edo1493 | ok |
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| 16:09:08 | kugel | looking at the ipod classic pic above, that sort of UI should actually be possible with custom ui vp and custom statusbar :) |
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| 16:36:57 | n1s | shouldn't the gigabeast be added to the "Unstable Devices" list on the frontpage? |
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| 16:39:04 | kugel | n1s: www is in trunk go for it:) |
| 16:39:11 | kugel | I'll add the yh925 too |
| 16:39:41 | n1s | does the webpage actually use what's in svn now? |
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| 16:41:12 | * | gevaerts isn't convinced about the beast |
| 16:41:29 | kugel | n1s: it just needs a manual update |
| 16:42:04 | linuxstb | n1s: MrSomeone should at least release some official binaries - there's nothing stopping that afaik. |
| 16:42:37 | n1s | ah, right |
| 16:43:04 | n1s | gevaerts: what makes you not convinced that the beast is unstable? |
| 16:44:10 | GreatBeaver | have you guys ever heard that sound quality depends on software? such as how efficiently it is written? |
| 16:44:34 | Zagor | GreatBeaver: certainly |
| 16:44:40 | GreatBeaver | i think ive heard some people say rockbox has better sound quality than stock software |
| 16:44:47 | GreatBeaver | but how can it be? |
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| 16:44:59 | GreatBeaver | was software buggy before? |
| 16:45:19 | Llorean | GreatBeaver: You're decoding compressed audio. There's often a tradeoff between mathematical accuracy and speed, and if you trade too much for speed it can be noticeable. |
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| 16:45:29 | Llorean | Even without bugs this can be true. |
| 16:45:30 | gevaerts | n1s: well, I am convinced that it is unstable :). The main problem I see is that we don't have a set of installation instructions that if followed carefully more or less guarantees a working installation |
| 16:45:32 | GreatBeaver | i see |
| 16:45:40 | gevaerts | I'm not really against adding it though |
| 16:45:42 | saratoga | the beast shouldn't be made "unstable" until we have actual install directions on the wiki for it |
| 16:46:00 | saratoga | or rather ones that aren't completely incomprehensible, half out of date, and spread across multiple pages |
| 16:46:02 | GreatBeaver | what about decoding lossless audio Llorean ? |
| 16:46:21 | saratoga | n1s: that was directed to you |
| 16:46:26 | Llorean | GreatBeaver: Unless there's a bug, under identical circumstances (no DSP, hardware identically configured) it shouldn't change. |
| 16:46:49 | GreatBeaver | are decoders often buggy? |
| 16:46:53 | saratoga | no |
| 16:46:54 | Llorean | Odds are in many cases "Rockbox sounds better" is either placebo effect, or someone talking about how we offer more sound altering options than the original firmware on their player. |
| 16:47:01 | n1s | saratoga: yeah, and as linuxstb mentioned, an officialy released bootloader |
| 16:47:05 | GreatBeaver | oh ok |
| 16:47:09 | saratoga | if someone on the internet says X sounds better its usually because they're dumb |
| 16:47:50 | GreatBeaver | im reading about some computer software player that loads all the music into ram rather than reading it off the hard drive and it claims it can have an audible improvement |
| 16:47:58 | GreatBeaver | i was wondering if it could be applied to rockbox |
| 16:48:09 | Llorean | GreatBeaver: Rockbox plays all audio from RAM. |
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| 16:48:31 | GreatBeaver | virtual ram? i think my mp3 player harddrive has like 8 mb of cache |
| 16:48:33 | Zagor | GreatBeaver: if it has any effect, it is likely only because of noise caused by the harddrive etc. and rockbox already buffers audio before playing. |
| 16:48:40 | GreatBeaver | cool |
| 16:48:41 | Llorean | I suspect you may be misunderstanding the article, since the general process of dealing with files is "load to ram, then manipulate/use" |
| 16:49:14 | GreatBeaver | here's the software i was reading http://cplay.sourceforge.net/pmwiki.php |
| 16:49:32 | GreatBeaver | it says it avoids I/O interference by using actual ram and not virtual ram |
| 16:50:24 | Zagor | GreatBeaver: the presence of the word "audiophile" on that page indicates it is aimed at an, uh, religious crowd :) |
| 16:50:38 | n1s | Zagor: heh :) |
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| 16:50:57 | n1s | GreatBeaver: anyway, rockbox has no virtual ram |
| 16:50:59 | Torne | It's not technically inaccurate. :) |
| 16:51:08 | GreatBeaver | cool ok |
| 16:51:21 | Torne | internal sound devices will pick up interference from other internal devices |
| 16:51:30 | Torne | the less of them you are using the less interference there will be |
| 16:51:40 | Torne | but this is a really tiny effect, unless your motherboard is exceptionally badly designed |
| 16:51:51 | Torne | and this is why pro audio devices are external boxes that attach over usb or similar :) |
| 16:52:06 | saratoga | GreatBeaver: i think you've misunderstood everything on that page |
| 16:52:09 | Llorean | Torne: Or unless you're a Sansa e200v1 |
| 16:52:25 | GreatBeaver | the webpage talks about both software and hardware |
| 16:52:26 | Llorean | Though I guess that qualifies as "exceptionally badly designed" |
| 16:52:27 | Torne | Llorean: i presume that comes under "motherboard exceptionally badly designed"? |
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| 16:52:48 | Llorean | Torne: Writing to both the LCD and reading from the flash can cause audible output noise. |
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| 16:53:05 | Llorean | Torne: And on the H100 there can be noise when writing to the remote LCD (which isn't the motherboard, so there! :-P) |
| 16:53:09 | Torne | Hehe |
| 16:53:21 | Torne | the remote lcd goes down the same wire as the audio though, no? |
| 16:53:24 | Torne | so that's understandable :) |
| 16:53:28 | Llorean | Yes. |
| 16:53:29 | Llorean | Very |
| 16:53:36 | saratoga | hmm although the author of that webpage is clearly an idiot |
| 16:53:43 | Llorean | GreatBeaver: Needless to say, we take steps where applicable to minimize hardware noise on the audio output. |
| 16:53:58 | GreatBeaver | wow really? |
| 16:54:01 | GreatBeaver | how? |
| 16:54:27 | Torne | GreatBeaver: that page is *mostly* a load of nonsense. it explains that jitter comes from DACs (which is true) but then talks about software induced jitter |
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| 16:55:49 | GreatBeaver | yes, but it also says that if there are no bugs, the only source of jitter comes from hardware, and how much load the software has on the hardware |
| 16:55:59 | GreatBeaver | not sure if its true |
| 16:56:01 | saratoga | that page is just a bunch of words thrown to gether |
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| 16:56:11 | saratoga | the author doesn't understand them any better then you do |
| 16:56:24 | crashd | fighting talk! |
| 16:56:29 | GreatBeaver | has any mp3 player company tried to come loaded with rockbox? |
| 16:56:42 | Llorean | No. |
| 16:58:10 | GreatBeaver | if i donate to rockbox where does the money go? the owner of rockbox? |
| 16:58:31 | Torne | jitter is a property of the DAC. Nothing except how you configure the DAC and which DAC you have makes any difference |
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| 16:58:48 | Torne | the load on your IO system, CPU, etc makes no difference, unless your machine is so loaded it can't keep up playing in realtime |
| 16:58:51 | Torne | :) |
| 16:59:02 | linuxstb | GreatBeaver: http://www.rockbox.org/wiki/DonatedMoney |
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| 17:00:17 | GreatBeaver | thanks |
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| 17:25:27 | GreatBeaver | if a mp3 player company asked rockbox to make their software would rockbox do it? |
| 17:26:49 | evilnick | GreatBeaver: There's very little chance of a *big* company asking. As RB is GPL so any DRM playback would have the decoding routine out in the open. |
| 17:27:07 | GreatBeaver | oh |
| 17:27:16 | gevaerts | GreatBeaver: "rockbox" isn't a person or a company, so your question makes no sense |
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| 17:28:04 | GreatBeaver | is an individual allowed to receive money from a company to write their software with rockbox? |
| 17:28:30 | Torne | sure. |
| 17:28:42 | Torne | as long as they don't violate the GPL, anyone can do what they like |
| 17:28:45 | Torne | including being paid to work on it |
| 17:30:43 | GreatBeaver | in rockbox for iriver, it searches the hard drive whenever you navigate inside of "Files", would it be better to just make a text file of all the folders in Files\Music and not search the hard drive until someone clicks play on a music file? |
| 17:30:51 | evilnick | But the GPL involves making the source available, as I understand it. Which means that DRM couldn't feasibly be supported, without being "cracked" in a nanosecond. |
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| 17:31:33 | GreatBeaver | drm doesnt work on rockbox atm then? |
| 17:31:53 | evilnick | It's probably a no-do |
| 17:32:45 | evilnick | GreatBeaver: First point here: http://www.rockbox.org/wiki/NoDo |
| 17:33:07 | petur | GreatBeaver: if you enable dircache, the directory structure and filelists are cached so the drive doesn't spin (unless you click a file to play) |
| 17:33:39 | GreatBeaver | it only works if you access your folders by Database i think |
| 17:33:45 | petur | nope |
| 17:33:51 | petur | dircache |
| 17:34:21 | GreatBeaver | it also applies to files in Files? |
| 17:34:26 | petur | yes |
| 17:34:48 | petur | as long as it fits the cache (which is quite large) |
| 17:34:55 | GreatBeaver | how many mb is the cache if i have 4000 songs? i think the cache on my mp3 player is 30mb |
| 17:35:10 | Torne | GreatBeaver: probably less than 1MB |
| 17:35:16 | petur | 4000 songs is nothing... |
| 17:35:21 | GreatBeaver | cool |
| 17:35:36 | GreatBeaver | im going to try to cache |
| 17:38:24 | GreatBeaver | load to ram is dircache right? |
| 17:39:56 | Torne | no. |
| 17:40:02 | GreatBeaver | ah nm i found it |
| 17:40:04 | Torne | that loads the database to ram, which speeds up database navigation |
| 17:40:19 | Torne | my dircache is 750kb for 11,000 files, for reference |
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| 18:26:58 | n1s | nice |
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| 19:56:43 | * | Hillshum is sure they don't mind us continuing to do so |
| 19:57:02 | Bagder | I think you're right! |
| 19:58:42 | pixelma | maybe that helps them getting one up again ;) |
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| 20:30:49 | domonoky | the build-info from the server changed somehow: ttp://build.rockbox.org/cvsmod/build-info did contain the info about "current" builds, and http://www.rockbox.org/daily/build-info about dailys and releases. now both only contain info about "current" builds... this breaks rbutil a bit.. |
| 20:32:23 | domonoky | ie it now only presents "current" builds. as if no targets where released and no daily were available. |
| 20:32:40 | domonoky | i suspect the server moving broke this.. :-/ |
| 20:32:51 | linuxstb | domonoky: Hi. Did you see my question earlier about whether you have a new rbutil planned for the near future? |
| 20:33:40 | domonoky | linuxstb: no, i dont have time to read the logs :-) But i plan a new rbutil in the near future, but we need to hide some non-working targets in rbutil first :-) |
| 20:34:22 | linuxstb | domonoky: OK. I'm doing a lot of work on ipodpatcher at the moment (to support the Nano2G, plus a general cleanup), so will hold back from committing anything until the new rbutil comes out. |
| 20:34:33 | domonoky | there are 2 reasons for a new release: e200v2/fuze support and many bugfixes :-) |
| 20:38:49 | * | Hillshum likes the first one |
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| 20:51:22 | * | domonoky found the normal build info under: http://download.rockbox.org/daily/build-info :-) now i only need to change url in rbutil :-) |
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| 20:57:31 | CIA-43 | New commit by Domonoky (r22705): rbutil: fix URL to build-info for dailies and releases. And hide targets which are not in the stable or unstable category. |
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| 21:00:20 | CIA-43 | New commit by Domonoky (r22706): rbutil: fix URL to the font pack. |
| 21:02:08 | domonoky | no voice download available anymore ? |
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| 21:03:47 | domonoky | genlang.cgi also doesnt work anymore.. :-/ |
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| 21:04:56 | moos | domonoky: bug Zagor for it. Didn't recently moved rockbox's files to another location? |
| 21:05:41 | domonoky | moos: yes, rockbox.org moved to another server.. if only Zagor was here :-) |
| 21:06:05 | moos | don't worries, he will appear :) |
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| 21:38:17 | pyro_maniac | petur: on your researches in the E100 have you mantioned the second partition? |
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| 21:47:16 | froggyman | is anyone else having problems accessing the CGI IRC client on the website? |
| 21:47:36 | froggyman | I have been getting 403 errors ever since the host was changed |
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| 21:54:58 | pyro_maniac | JdGordon|: wasn't it you who made the researches on the e100 ? |
| 21:55:12 | JdGordon| | not very much |
| 21:55:23 | JdGordon| | I poped mine open and took some bad scans |
| 21:55:31 | pyro_maniac | ok |
| 21:55:49 | pyro_maniac | nobody had a look into the second partition? |
| 21:55:51 | JdGordon| | the firmware is encrypted and we dont know how to run our own code... but we have the datasheet for the SoC i tinhk |
| 21:56:06 | pyro_maniac | i 've seen that |
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| 22:02:50 | aidy | what could be the reason for a wps running on the sim but not on the hardware |
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| 22:04:29 | Llorean | aidy: Did you compile your own sim, or are you using a precompiled one? It may be a slightly older sim and something's changed. |
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| 22:08:42 | aidy | Llorean: i compiled it myself |
| 22:08:46 | aidy | mcuelenaere: hi |
| 22:08:53 | mcuelenaere | aidy: hi |
| 22:09:10 | aidy | mcuelenaere: you know about the touch screen code right? |
| 22:09:18 | mcuelenaere | aidy: I know some parts, yes |
| 22:09:29 | aidy | ok :) |
| 22:09:36 | aidy | currently making a wps for the D2 |
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| 22:10:01 | mcuelenaere | all touchscreen WPS tags are documentated AFAIK |
| 22:10:16 | aidy | there are some things, such as the sim errors out when you use progressbar or volume or menu |
| 22:10:26 | aidy | as a touch screen area action |
| 22:11:24 | mcuelenaere | the sim errors out when using progressbar or volume? What kind of error? |
| 22:13:43 | aidy | ERR: Failed parsing on line 34 : ERR: Invalid parameter list for token 50: "No token" |
| 22:14:02 | aidy | 34 %T|8|170|304|19|progressbar| |
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| 22:15:10 | mcuelenaere | huh? That's not right |
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| 22:15:34 | aidy | should i try on an mrobe-500 target sim? |
| 22:19:09 | domonoky | hi Zagor: genlang.cgi doesnt work anymore, and also there are no voice downloads available. maybe you forgot something when moving the server ? |
| 22:20:01 | domonoky | bluebrother: what do you think of making a new rbutil release in the not so far future ? |
| 22:20:10 | mcuelenaere | aidy: cabbiev2 seems to work fine on the VX747 sim |
| 22:20:25 | mcuelenaere | aidy: does the Cowon D2 cabbiev2 come with touchscreen WPS tags? |
| 22:20:31 | bluebrother | domonoky: how stable is the current svn? And is there a need for a new release? |
| 22:21:01 | domonoky | the need is bugfixes and ofcourse e200v2/fuze support. |
| 22:21:07 | aidy | mcuelenaere: it doesn't |
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| 22:21:19 | mcuelenaere | aidy: try the mrobe500 |
| 22:21:32 | mcuelenaere | that seems to have the same resolution and have touchscreen tags |
| 22:21:36 | aidy | doing that |
| 22:21:37 | bluebrother | is e200v2 now a supported target? |
| 22:21:47 | aidy | mcuelenaere: i used to use the mrobe wps |
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| 22:22:01 | domonoky | bluebrother: its now officially a "unstable" target. see website :-) |
| 22:22:01 | aidy | but an old version |
| 22:22:05 | * | bluebrother hasn't caught up with the emails of the last few days |
| 22:22:05 | mcuelenaere | aidy: then somebody should make that standard for the D2 |
| 22:22:15 | aidy | ya |
| 22:22:50 | froggyman | why isnt the Gigabeat S an "unstable" target then? |
| 22:23:18 | domonoky | bluebrother: from my short tests current svn rbutil seems to work fine, when zagor fixes voice and genlang.cgi :-) |
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| 22:24:52 | AlexP | froggyman: No clear concise install instructions, + the install doesn't always work + |
| 22:24:57 | AlexP | -+ |
| 22:25:10 | aidy | mcuelenaere: the mrobe simulator has a vga resolution? |
| 22:25:48 | mcuelenaere | aidy: yes, it does; but AFAICS 320x240.mrobe500.wps is the same resolution as the Cowon D2 |
| 22:26:11 | aidy | that's true |
| 22:29:52 | Zagor | domonoky: the intention is that voice is to be on download.rb.org too |
| 22:31:01 | domonoky | Zagor, bluebrother: another need to release new rbutil versions. some url changed/ will change :-) |
| 22:31:27 | Zagor | domonoky: well I can make compat url rewriting, so it's not critical |
| 22:32:40 | domonoky | then also a URL rewrite rule for the fonts and daily-info would be nice. ( i already changed those urls in svn rbutil, but the current rbutil cant get them at moment) |
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| 22:33:28 | domonoky | Zagor: any plans for genlang.cgi changes ? or was this just missed ? |
| 22:33:42 | Zagor | that was missed |
| 22:34:11 | Bagder | there's an impressing number of tiny services spread out all over ;-) |
| 22:34:21 | Zagor | yeah I'm trying to focus them a bit :) |
| 22:34:50 | * | bluebrother thinks calling changes like that "fix" is misleading, as it wasn't wrong before −− it's merely catching up with changed done on the server |
| 22:36:48 | * | domonoky think a attempt to concentrate all those services a bit would be a good thing. and i am willing to "catchup" with rbutil if needed.. :-) |
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| 22:41:50 | * | domonoky images rbutil communicating with a webservice on rockbox.org instead of downloading various info files, someday in the far future :-) |
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| 22:44:55 | CIA-43 | New commit by zagor (r22707): Changed wiki path. Added compat links for rbutil. |
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| 22:49:58 | CIA-43 | New commit by zagor (r22708): Added rbutil compat link for /voices |
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| 22:55:25 | Zagor | umm, should daily voices be in download/daily/voices or download/voices? |
| 22:55:58 | Zagor | do we ever have any other voices in /voices ? |
| 22:56:13 | Bagder | not that I can recall |
| 22:56:20 | Zagor | no, the release voices are in /release. so /voices it is |
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| 22:56:32 | jo_ | hello! |
| 22:56:51 | Zagor | I guess fonts should be in /fonts too, then |
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| 22:57:38 | jo_ | I was wondering if there was a way for me to listen to all my songs shuffled but if I wanted to, go into one of the songs directory (or album) to choose a song from the same artist |
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| 22:58:28 | jo_ | Ive tried looking online but found little advice... all I seem to be able to do is put all songs in one big playlist and shuffle them |
| 22:58:57 | jo_ | also, how exacly does the Follow Directory option from the File Browser work? |
| 22:59:06 | domonoky | should our new unstable builds be added to the daily builds ? |
| 22:59:13 | jo_ | If anyone out there can answer It would be GREATly appreciated :) |
| 22:59:25 | Bagder | domonoky: I'd like that |
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| 23:00:16 | Llorean | jo_: Follow playlist means if you click select to leave the WPS you'll be in the folder of the song playing (if you're in the file browser) |
| 23:00:24 | Llorean | Which more or less solves your other question too. |
| 23:00:43 | saratoga | someone PMed me complaining that I am wrong in telling him theres a device status link on the front page |
| 23:00:50 | Zagor | my plan is to not run separate daily builds anymore, but rather at 06:00 in the morning copy the latest build that the client farm has done |
| 23:01:19 | saratoga | maybe using bold for the link or something would be a good idea |
| 23:01:52 | domonoky | Zagor: so all targets in the buildfarm get daily builds, or will there be a selection what to copy ? |
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| 23:02:17 | Zagor | domonoky: I don't see a reason to limit the builds |
| 23:03:01 | domonoky | true, it cant hurt to have archives of early targets |
| 23:04:27 | AlexP | jo_: Use follow playlist, then when you want to play another song by the same artist as is currently playing, click select to get into the folder as Llorean said, then hilight the new song you want, open the context menu on it, select playlist, then queue next (if you don't want it to stay in the playlist) |
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| 23:05:15 | Zagor | saratoga: I think we can rather rework it a bit to make it clearer |
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| 23:10:53 | CIA-43 | New commit by zagor (r22709): Fixed symlink |
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| 23:12:22 | aidy | mcuelenaere: is it possible that touch screen areas are buggy? |
| 23:12:33 | mcuelenaere | aidy: not that I know of |
| 23:12:39 | Zagor | genlang fixed |
| 23:12:50 | mcuelenaere | aidy: what sort of buggy behaviour are you seeing? |
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| 23:13:08 | bluebrother | liar|netbook: ping |
| 23:13:12 | aidy | nothing is being 'pressed' |
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| 23:14:09 | aidy | mcuelenaere: i'll zip it up |
| 23:14:20 | mcuelenaere | aidy: zip what up? |
| 23:14:27 | aidy | the wps |
| 23:15:42 | liar|netbook | bluebrother: ? |
| 23:17:25 | jo_ | AlexP : Sorry... not too used to irc, I think ive got it sorted out... thanks for the help! |
| 23:17:44 | AlexP | jo_: No problem, and glad to hear it :) |
| 23:19:06 | aidy | mcuelenaere: it seems that it's just the 'next' action that doesn't work |
| 23:19:14 | bluebrother | liar|netbook: argh, sorry, wrong nick completiong |
| 23:19:19 | bluebrother | linuxstb: ping |
| 23:19:24 | linuxstb | bluebrother: pong |
| 23:19:36 | bluebrother | now with the nick intended :) |
| 23:19:52 | mcuelenaere | aidy: seems to work fine here (VX747 sim) |
| 23:20:12 | aidy | worked fine yesterday too |
| 23:20:22 | bluebrother | linuxstb: how shall I proceed with mknkboot relicensing? Is it ok if I simply change the license header and commit, or do you think it's better if you did as you wrote it? |
| 23:21:01 | linuxstb | bluebrother: I guess I should do it... Do you have a patch though ;) |
| 23:21:56 | linuxstb | But it seems almost too trivial to relicense. So you're intending to incorporate that functionality into beastpatcher? |
| 23:22:43 | bluebrother | yes, that was my plan. Then we can get an equivalent to ipodpatcher for the beast. |
| 23:23:25 | linuxstb | OK, I'll just copy the header from beastpatcher/main.c |
| 23:23:32 | bluebrother | ok, great. |
| 23:23:33 | aidy | mcuelenaere: could you have a look if you've got time? http://omploader.org/vMmQ5eg |
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| 23:24:50 | CIA-43 | New commit by dave (r22710): Change the mknkboot license to BSD to enable its code to be incorporated into beastpatcher. |
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| 23:28:19 | mcuelenaere | aidy: next seems to work fine here on D2 sim |
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| 23:28:28 | mcuelenaere | are you sure you're running latest SVN and without patches? |
| 23:29:10 | CIA-43 | New commit by zagor (r22711): Added rbutil compat link for /manual |
| 23:30:09 | CIA-43 | New commit by zagor (r22712): Removed unused symlinks |
| 23:30:14 | aidy | mcuelenaere: well yes... I'll start over though. - could you uncomment the lines marked by SIMBUG and see if those work? |
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| 23:32:11 | mcuelenaere | aidy: they don't seem to give any WPS parse error.. |
| 23:33:55 | aidy | okay well |
| 23:34:08 | aidy | this is a mess here :D |
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| 23:41:37 | jo_ | AlexP : Got it all nice and groovy... just a quick question, if I press select to go in original dir and choose another song, can I go right back on the random playlist when I hit next? Must I always go to playlist catalog and reload the playlist? |
| 23:41:54 | froggyman | my iPod 5.5G video is still in the "Warning Low Battery" screen, I just got this yesterday, so I plugged it in and let it charge overnight, it is still on the same low battery screen. Is there anything else I can do to fis it, or can I consider the battery dead and have to get a new one? |
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| 23:43:12 | aidy | mcuelenaere: okay next works again, but the progressbar and home actions don't, and now i'm 100% sure that this is up to date and clean |
| 23:43:37 | mcuelenaere | aidy: yes, progressbar doesn't seem to work here either; have you checked viewports etc? |
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| 23:44:26 | aidy | mcuelenaere: does the wps load if you have the progressbar touch area? |
| 23:44:32 | mcuelenaere | yes |
| 23:44:40 | AlexP | jo_: Highlight the song you want, open the context menu, then select playlist then queue next |
| 23:45:15 | AlexP | jo_: It'll play the song you just added (after the current one), then carry on with the playlist as before (and the song that you added will be removed from the playlist) |
| 23:45:55 | aidy | mcuelenaere: well it doesn't here, it works on the target though (well it's like on your sim, I might have done something wrong viewport wise, but I had it working fine before) |
| 23:46:23 | mcuelenaere | aidy: can't help you much about that, I'm not a viewport etc expert |
| 23:46:45 | aidy | uh just swapped a %V and %T line |
| 23:46:47 | aidy | oops etc |
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| 23:47:22 | jo_ | AlexP : Soweeet I cant believe I didint think of this... thanks again! (my cowon d2 has file number limits and the original firmware messes up the DB all the time after I got a new SDHC... seems like rockbox is gonna be my new interface) |
| 23:47:22 | aidy | well not really |
| 23:47:33 | aidy | i just need to put it in the default viewport |
| 23:47:36 | AlexP | jo_: No problem :) |
| 23:47:57 | jo_ | AlexP : Thanks again... |
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