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#rockbox log for 2009-09-20

 00:06:29 Join kugel [0] (n=kugel@rockbox/developer/kugel) 00:07:39 Part Maltin 00:31:46 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 00:44:35 Quit bluebrother ("leaving") 00:46:53 Join GeekShadow [0] (n=Antoine@reactos/tester/GeekShadow) 00:53:29 Join wincent_balin [0] (n=wincent@host-091-097-059-130.ewe-ip-backbone.de) 00:57:23 Nick fxb__ is now known as fxb (n=felixbru@h1252615.stratoserver.net) 01:00 01:01:09 Quit esperegu (Read error: 60 (Operation timed out)) 01:04:08 Quit GeekShado_ (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 01:05:24 saratoga playing with the sim some more, it seems like the codec will occasionally be reloaded during normal track changes (end of track, etc), and that these cause a lot of the crashes on the clip 01:07:32 kugel most crashes are during tracks? 01:08:46 saratoga are they? 01:08:55 saratoga i think i've noticed both 01:12:21 saratoga i think the ones i see on the sim are nearly all during track load 01:22:08 Join inversions [0] (n=sam@cpc3-bele7-2-0-cust251.2-1.cable.virginmedia.com) 01:23:10 Part toffe82 01:26:43 Quit robin0800 (Remote closed the connection) 01:28:36 kugel saratoga: from just listening to the bug, I never connected it to track change, I get them during tracks mostly yes 01:30:46 Quit bughunter2 ("Leaving.") 01:31:14 CIA-43 New commit by 03kugel (r22741): Fix the statusbar to redraw after changing colors in the color picker screen. ... 01:32:17 kugel we should branch for 3.4 in the next few hours, so that we get at least a few days for testing the RC builds (if we get some). I'll do it after I get up unless someone beats me to it 01:32:23 Join robin0800 [0] (n=robin080@general-ld-216.t-mobile.co.uk) 01:35:07 saratoga kugel: its possible the crash i'm pursuing is artificial due to the small buffer i'm using 01:35:34 saratoga or at least that it occurs more regularly then on the clip 01:37:56 CIA-43 New commit by 03kugel (r22742): And also redraw the statusbar after resetting the colors. 01:38:10 Quit ender (" Where python would say you can skin a cat with a knife, so adding other methods would just make the language hard to learn,") 01:39:57 saratoga how do I save a playlist on the clip? 01:40:09 saratoga when i get to the keyboard screen i can't find a way to exit 01:42:03 saratoga ok i believe i've tried every key combination 01:42:46 Join linuxstb [0] (n=linuxstb@rockbox/developer/linuxstb) 01:42:50 kugel saratoga: very possible that there is none 01:43:11 saratoga what is BUTTON_REPEAT? 01:43:25 saratoga keymaps says BUTTON_SELECT|BUTTON_REPEAT 01:43:47 pixelma a long button press 01:43:57 saratoga bah 01:44:02 pixelma (of select) 01:44:48 CIA-43 New commit by 03Domonoky (r22743): rbutil: mark e200v2 and fuze as unstable. 01:44:55 pixelma what's bah about that? 01:44:57 saratoga kugel: i think you're right about this track change bug, while it seems to be a problem on the sim, i just flipped back and forth between wma, mp3 and aac about a hundred times without encountering it 01:45:07 saratoga each one of those should have forced a codec rebuffer 01:46:08 kugel so you were on the wrong route? 01:47:03 saratoga well its definately a bug i'm just not sure how much it really matters 01:47:39 saratoga i suppose the next thing to try is logf on the real clip and see what its doing 01:47:56 saratoga do you know if logf slows the system down a lot? 01:48:23 saratoga i'd imagine its pretty cheap on flash targets, but what i'd really like to do is print out essentially the entire call history of the playback thread 01:48:34 saratoga since it takes so long to encounter a deadlock 01:49:33 kugel it doesn't really slow things down 01:50:45 kugel it doesn't hit the disk at all until you actually choose to dump it 01:51:51 saratoga it doesn't dump on spinup? 01:52:27 kugel no 01:53:00 kugel but it decreases the audio buffer a bit more, I think logf takes some 10-20k binsize/ram 01:54:22 saratoga well if i want to generate say a 100KB of log output a minute 01:54:40 saratoga will it just overwrite stuff? 01:55:06 Torne yes, it's jsut a ring buffer 01:55:58 domonoky you would need logf-over usb for that. but unfortunatly we still dont have usb on AMS :-/ 01:58:27 Quit moos (Read error: 131 (Connection reset by peer)) 01:58:50 Join moos [0] (i=mostafa@rockbox/staff/moos) 02:00 02:04:41 CIA-43 New commit by 03kugel (r22744): Redraw the list after exiting the context menu to get rid of various non-blocking splashes in it if custom ui vp is used. 02:04:57 kugel pixelma: I fixed your color picker bug 02:05:30 saratoga theres no way to have it dump to disk? 02:05:35 kugel domonoky: no problem since the problem triggers easily on all targets 02:05:59 saratoga FS #9253 - logf file output patch. 02:06:05 kugel just decrease to audio buffer to a "clip'ish" level 02:07:04 domonoky kugel: then trying it on a target with usb-serial and logf-over-usb would probably help :-) 02:07:42 domonoky and putting many logf calls into playback/buffering of course. 02:08:05 Quit DarkDefender ("Leaving") 02:09:20 saratoga for a flash target i don't see why logf over usb is any better then logf to disk 02:09:46 saratoga the clip rebuffers every other second anyway, can't hurt to also dump a couple KB of text to the disk at teh same time 02:09:50 kugel that's a useful idea actually, with logf over usb it should be possible to catch the exact moment it crashes with a call trace 02:10:17 saratoga what do you mean call trace? doesn't it just send text? 02:10:29 kugel yes, but you have 2 screens :9 02:10:54 kugel I imagine you would miss the moment until you get into the logf screen or being able to view the dump 02:11:39 kugel since it doesn't freeze, I'd think there are many more calls which pollute the logf after the actual playback crash there 02:12:02 saratoga well my plan was to use that patch to dump it to disk continuously 02:12:27 saratoga theres actually very little output when it deadlocks, just 2x a second or so a queue message 02:12:59 domonoky there are so many patches in our tracker, we should make a clean-up week after the release.. :-) 02:13:19 kugel domonoky: I remember we planned that for 2-3 weeks after the devcon actually 02:13:25 saratoga this is another Uchida patch 02:13:39 saratoga hes got ~55 open ones on the tracker 02:13:49 saratoga but its impossible to communicate with him 02:14:21 domonoky there are 2 of these "japanese sounding" people with many patches in the tracker. we should try to care a bit about those patches :-) 02:14:52 kugel who's the other one? 02:15:09 saratoga i think the other one got svn 02:15:10 domonoky Teruaki Kawashima 02:15:23 kugel saratoga: has anyone looked at his WAV patches? They seem to add many (probably unpopular) codecs 02:15:26 saratoga yeah teru has svn 02:15:38 kugel yep 02:15:51 saratoga kugel: i skimmed them and they looked useful, just i couldn't find the time or interest to do anything with them 02:16:05 saratoga and it didn't help that Uchida didn't return my emails 02:16:15 domonoky if he has svn access, i wonder why there are still so many patches from him in the tracker.. :-) 02:16:38 kugel I have a lot open tasks too 02:16:49 saratoga hes been slowly commiting them 02:16:56 saratoga teru has actually done a lot of clean up in the last couple months 02:17:02 saratoga mostly minor things that no one noticed though 02:17:14 domonoky ah, didnt notice :-) 02:17:37 saratoga i'm half tempted to have an email translated in japanese and send it to him 02:17:54 saratoga but since he didn't even reply i'm not sure the email he gave is even any good 02:18:22 domonoky about the pcm patches: some codec guy should look overthem, and if their are sound, just commit them... codecs are rockbox core business :-) 02:18:45 saratoga bug linuxstb once he has the nano2g working 02:19:00 saratoga i honestly don't understand the codecs that well, just the insides of them 02:19:08 saratoga or maybe mt if hes bored 02:19:24 domonoky :-) 02:19:50 Join TopyMobile [0] (n=topy@a91-153-193-56.elisa-laajakaista.fi) 02:20:05 kugel saratoga: forget mt, they're not in a rm container :D 02:20:24 saratoga speaking of which we should really find him a clipv2 or something and send it to him 02:20:42 kugel who? 02:20:43 saratoga i think he was thinking of trying to work on his old M200 02:20:45 saratoga mt 02:21:09 kugel I haven't seen him lately, where's he gone? 02:21:23 saratoga hes been around 02:21:45 saratoga he said he wanted to work on hardware next in spite of my gentle suggestion that wma pro still didn't work with rockbox 02:22:03 * domonoky thinks if mt want a new player to play. the rockbox fund should get him one.. 02:22:59 saratoga yeah we're getting some google money for him right? 02:23:15 kugel on the other hand, he'll be given $2500 buy a whole bunch of targets :) 02:23:40 saratoga apparenlty sandisk doesn't sell AMS devices in his country though 02:23:50 domonoky but he deserves it for his super gsoc expirience. :-) 02:23:52 kugel really? 02:24:03 kugel (that was for saratoga) 02:24:17 domonoky one more arugemt to just send him one :-) 02:24:29 saratoga i think its pretty common, last I heard the new Zune wasn't even going to be sold in the EU, let alone Egypt 02:24:50 kugel the zune is special, that's USA only 02:25:20 kugel but I can imagine they don't sell the latest high tech toys in africa 02:26:31 moos lots of fake ones unfortunatly... 02:26:50 GodEater Zagor: (for the logs) I wanted qwebirc installed on a rockbox server because anything with "webchat" in the title is blocked by the RBS proxy server. So freenode's is no use to me. 02:27:05 Nick fxb is now known as fxb__ (n=felixbru@h1252615.stratoserver.net) 02:27:53 domonoky GodEater: create a tunnel ? :-) 02:28:55 saratoga how much is the clip+ in the EU? might make a nice present 02:30:07 domonoky amazon.de has it for ~€35 (2gig) or ~60€ for 8gig 02:31:09 saratoga the 8GB is ripoff given the price of uSD 02:31:50 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 02:32:44 Quit gregzx ("ChatZilla 0.9.85 [Firefox 3.5.2/20090729225027]") 02:35:38 pixelma it's more like 55€, not a great difference... - and by the way - all the offers state that the device will only available from October 10th. But I think you can find different prices in other countries of the EU and maybe other dates of availability 02:35:38 Quit moos (Read error: 131 (Connection reset by peer)) 02:35:57 Join moos [0] (i=mostafa@rockbox/staff/moos) 02:36:21 pixelma for the Clip+ and amazon.de 02:37:29 Quit gevaerts (Nick collision from services.) 02:37:41 Join gevaerts [0] (n=fg@rockbox/developer/gevaerts) 02:38:55 GodEater domonoky: it's more complicated to do that than you think 02:39:09 GodEater the proxy there is very clever at spotting the traffic it's passing 02:54:52 Quit Lss (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 03:00 03:05:05 Quit dfkt ("-= SysReset 2.53=- Ph'nglui mglw'nafh Cthulhu R'lyeh wgah'nagl fhtagn.") 03:06:30 Quit kugel (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 03:12:59 Part wincent_balin ("Kopete 0.12.7 : http://kopete.kde.org") 03:13:29 Join BHSPitLappy [0] (n=BHSPitLa@unaffiliated/bhspitmonkey) 03:19:02 Part domonoky 03:34:26 Quit GeekShadow (Read error: 54 (Connection reset by peer)) 03:37:13 Join moonscapex [0] (i=www-data@giant.haxx.se) 03:38:30 Quit moonscapex (Client Quit) 03:44:00 Quit amiconn (Nick collision from services.) 03:44:03 Join amiconn_ [0] (i=quassel@rockbox/developer/amiconn) 03:44:10 Quit pixelma (Nick collision from services.) 03:44:11 Join moonscapex [0] (n=moonscap@d173-183-151-230.abhsia.telus.net) 03:44:13 Join pixelma_ [0] (i=quassel@rockbox/staff/pixelma) 03:44:23 Nick amiconn_ is now known as amiconn (i=quassel@rockbox/developer/amiconn) 03:44:32 Nick pixelma_ is now known as pixelma (i=quassel@rockbox/staff/pixelma) 03:45:37 moonscapex Has anyone got fft.v5 to compile? It looks like a cool plugin, but I can't add it to my build. 03:50:44 Quit moonscapex (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 04:00 04:03:38 Quit BHSPitLappy (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 04:07:58 Quit TheSeven (Nick collision from services.) 04:08:14 Join The_Seven [0] (n=theseven@dslb-084-056-164-110.pools.arcor-ip.net) 04:08:23 Nick The_Seven is now known as TheSeven (n=theseven@dslb-084-056-164-110.pools.arcor-ip.net) 04:24:24 Quit bubsy ("I'll be back somewhere in time") 04:24:33 Join bubsy [0] (n=bubsy@94.139.72.137) 04:26:59 Quit bubsy (Client Quit) 04:27:10 Join bubsy [0] (n=bubsy@94.139.72.137) 04:28:19 Quit MethoS- (Remote closed the connection) 04:31:52 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 04:32:50 Join lennyk [0] (n=lennyk@dynamic2-254-138.usc.edu) 04:32:53 Quit timc (Remote closed the connection) 04:37:57 Join BHSPitLappy [0] (n=BHSPitLa@unaffiliated/bhspitmonkey) 04:43:57 Join GreatBeaver [0] (n=chatzill@c-71-59-18-236.hsd1.ga.comcast.net) 04:44:05 GreatBeaver what is the preferred defragmentator for mp3 players? im using diskkeeper 04:44:07 Quit Rondom (Nick collision from services.) 04:44:18 Join Rondom [0] (n=Rondom@dslb-084-057-171-200.pools.arcor-ip.net) 04:44:51 Llorean GreatBeaver: Generally defragmenting shouldn't be necessary. 04:45:46 GreatBeaver i was just wondering because diskeeper takes way too long 04:50:26 GreatBeaver diskeeper says i'll save 7% on three files if i defrag, and defrag seems like it will take at least 20 minutes 04:50:32 GreatBeaver 3 files out of 6000 hehe 04:55:08 Quit chandoo_ ("Leaving") 04:56:12 Quit GreatBeaver ("ChatZilla 0.9.85 [Firefox 3.5.3/20090824101458]") 04:56:22 Join FOAD_ [0] (n=dok@dinah.blub.net) 05:00 05:13:14 Quit FOAD (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 05:13:14 Nick FOAD_ is now known as FOAD (n=dok@dinah.blub.net) 05:33:34 Quit HBK (Read error: 113 (No route to host)) 05:49:04 Join donnald [0] (n=donnald@d28-174.rb.lax.centurytel.net) 05:49:23 Nick donnald is now known as Matthew (n=donnald@d28-174.rb.lax.centurytel.net) 05:49:26 Matthew hi 05:49:34 Matthew is any one here 05:49:53 Nick Matthew is now known as Guest56791 (n=donnald@d28-174.rb.lax.centurytel.net) 05:50:00 Guest56791 hello 05:50:16 Quit Guest56791 (Client Quit) 06:00 06:31:55 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 06:33:31 Join wincent_balin [0] (n=wincent@host-091-097-059-130.ewe-ip-backbone.de) 06:33:31 Quit gartral ("Lost terminal") 06:33:43 Part wincent_balin ("Kopete 0.12.7 : http://kopete.kde.org") 06:55:40 Quit CaptainKwel (Remote closed the connection) 07:00 07:10:22 Join Horschti [0] (n=Horscht2@xbmc/user/horscht) 07:14:29 Quit robin0800 (Remote closed the connection) 07:14:40 Quit saratoga ("Page closed") 07:28:50 Quit Horscht (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 08:00 08:14:36 Join Rob2223 [0] (n=Miranda@p4FDCF5A9.dip.t-dialin.net) 08:23:30 Join bmbl [0] (n=Miranda@unaffiliated/bmbl) 08:31:56 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 08:32:49 Quit Rob2222 (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 09:00 09:19:20 Join stoffel [0] (n=quassel@p57B4F706.dip.t-dialin.net) 09:32:55 Join vitja [0] (n=vitja@79.120.98.174) 09:35:13 Join genia4 [0] (n=genia4@IGLD-84-228-46-86.inter.net.il) 09:44:24 Join flydutch [0] (n=flydutch@host253-166-dynamic.8-87-r.retail.telecomitalia.it) 09:57:39 Join bluebrother [0] (n=dom@rockbox/developer/bluebrother) 10:00 10:10:58 Join jamie_ [0] (n=jamie@212-139-85-204.dynamic.dsl.as9105.com) 10:18:52 Quit panni_ (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 10:28:20 CIA-43 New commit by 03bluebrother (r22745): Integrate mknkboot into beastpatcher. ... 10:31:58 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 10:34:58 Nick Horschti is now known as Horscht (n=Horscht2@xbmc/user/horscht) 10:35:55 Join GeekShadow [0] (n=Antoine@reactos/tester/GeekShadow) 10:37:31 Join DarkDefender [0] (n=rob@78-69-30-229-no36.tbcn.telia.com) 10:42:06 Quit BHSPitLappy (Remote closed the connection) 10:43:49 Join esperegu [0] (n=quassel@145.116.15.244) 10:49:01 Quit stoffel (Remote closed the connection) 10:54:56 Join stoffel [0] (n=quassel@87.180.247.6) 10:58:41 Join ender [0] (i=krneki@foo.eternallybored.org) 10:58:55 Quit stoffel (Remote closed the connection) 11:00 11:00:36 Quit fyrestorm (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 11:02:49 Join fyrestorm [0] (n=nnscript@cpe-24-90-84-240.nyc.res.rr.com) 11:04:00 Quit daurn (Remote closed the connection) 11:05:37 * n1s wonders if anyone with an ipod video could reproduce fs#10610, not a lot of detail in that report. Well any 3G or newer ipod should do i guess, they all have the same rtc 11:12:46 bluebrother n1s: an Ipod mini too? 11:13:25 Join funman [0] (n=fun@rockbox/developer/funman) 11:15:34 n1s bluebrother: yes, it has the same rtc as the video 11:15:53 bluebrother well, I can't see any problem on my mini with current svn 11:16:04 n1s i see no reason for this bug to hit only one player using that driver 11:16:10 n1s bluebrother: thanks fro testing 11:16:37 n1s also such an obvious thing should have been reported ages ago 11:16:44 * bluebrother thinks we should consider closing such tasks immediately. If reporters don't take the time to follow our guidelines and put basic information in, why should we? 11:17:28 Quit shodanX_ ("leaving") 11:18:41 rasher bluebrother: because they might have reported an actual bug that we do want fixed? 11:19:56 bluebrother rasher: I don't fear that we will loose bugs ... software always contains enough of them 11:22:09 rasher That doesn't mean they'll get reported 11:23:52 * bluebrother doesn't want bugs to get fixed, he wants bugs to not be present :) 11:26:48 * bluebrother wonders how hard it would be to have the task description field prefilled with some headlines 11:26:57 Join Grahack [0] (n=chri@ip-222.net-82-216-222.rev.numericable.fr) 11:28:24 Quit funman (Read error: 60 (Operation timed out)) 11:39:22 Join stoffel [0] (n=quassel@p57B4F706.dip.t-dialin.net) 11:46:00 Join funman [0] (n=fun@rockbox/developer/funman) 11:51:25 Quit stoffel (Remote closed the connection) 11:51:37 Join Ubuntuxer [0] (n=johannes@dslb-188-101-011-095.pools.arcor-ip.net) 11:57:59 Quit Ubuntuxer (Remote closed the connection) 11:58:31 Quit TopyMobile (Remote closed the connection) 12:00 12:00:06 Join stoffel [0] (n=quassel@p57B4F706.dip.t-dialin.net) 12:01:07 Join gregzx [0] (n=chatzill@dtb49.neoplus.adsl.tpnet.pl) 12:07:21 Join kugel [0] (i=kugel@rockbox/developer/kugel) 12:08:00 kugel Bagder: I have images now, for fuze and yh925 12:08:41 Quit funman ("leaving") 12:10:57 kugel I assume the current build page is in SVN too? 12:11:29 Quit stoffel (Remote closed the connection) 12:14:37 Join stoffel [0] (n=quassel@p57B4F706.dip.t-dialin.net) 12:16:11 kugel how do I test my changes? 12:18:52 Quit kugel ("ChatZilla 0.9.85 [Firefox 3.5.3/20090824101458]") 12:19:03 Join kugel|win [0] (i=kugel@e178101079.adsl.alicedsl.de) 12:19:25 Quit kugel|win (Client Quit) 12:19:35 Join kugel [0] (i=kugel|wi@rockbox/developer/kugel) 12:23:02 Join gapan [0] (n=gapan@dsl-88-218-68-84.customers.vivodi.gr) 12:26:05 Quit inversions (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 12:26:26 Join inversions [0] (n=sam@cpc3-bele7-2-0-cust251.2-1.cable.virginmedia.com) 12:30:28 Quit stoffel (Remote closed the connection) 12:31:06 Join stoffel [0] (n=quassel@p57B4F706.dip.t-dialin.net) 12:32:00 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 12:38:05 Join kyle6513 [0] (n=kyle6513@58.174.128.189) 12:40:22 kugel Bagder: heh, fcpp almost compiles on windows (using mingw) 12:42:56 * kugel can't manage to make the page on windows 12:43:05 Join gtkspert [0] (n=gtkspert@203-59-160-175.dyn.iinet.net.au) 12:45:35 Quit esperegu (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 12:46:31 Nick liar|away is now known as liar (n=liar@83.175.83.185) 12:50:56 Quit stoffel (Remote closed the connection) 12:53:10 Join wincent [0] (n=wincent@host-091-097-059-130.ewe-ip-backbone.de) 12:56:10 Quit gtkspert_ (Read error: 101 (Network is unreachable)) 12:59:29 Join daurnimator [0] (i=daurnima@freenode/staff/daurnimator) 13:00 13:03:43 Quit moos ("Rockbox rules the DAP world") 13:10:49 Part kyle6513 13:15:42 kugel hrm 13:15:54 kugel www/ doesn't seem to be up-to-date 13:23:34 Quit bluebrother (Read error: 113 (No route to host)) 13:24:00 Join FOAD_ [0] (n=dok@dinah.blub.net) 13:33:10 Quit wincent (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 13:34:03 Join stoffel [0] (n=quassel@87.180.247.6) 13:35:31 gapan hi! I have read a report that rockbox runs on a 160GB ipod classic. I thought they couldn't be supported. Was any work done on those? 13:36:54 kugel you read lies 13:36:58 Quit FOAD (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 13:36:59 Nick FOAD_ is now known as FOAD (n=dok@dinah.blub.net) 13:37:42 gapan well, I know that guy that reported that (online) and he's not inclined to lie 13:37:49 AlexP He is 13:38:10 AlexP Perhaps the people that make Rockbox might know? Oh wait, that's us 13:38:21 gapan I know :D 13:38:35 gapan the report is here: http://www.retromaniax.gr/vb/showpost.php?p=174841&postcount=6 13:38:39 gapan unfortunately in greek :D 13:38:42 AlexP linux4nano have found an exploit that could potentially be used, but it is a long way from anything useable 13:38:48 AlexP gapan: That report is wrong 13:38:55 AlexP No matter what language it is in 13:39:07 gapan he says he tried the ipod60/80 installation files 13:39:14 gapan 1st time he tried it failed 13:39:15 AlexP Which is rubbish 13:39:21 AlexP IT DOES NOT WORK 13:39:37 AlexP He is talking utter utter bollocks 13:40:13 gapan ok 13:40:45 AlexP As I say, linux4nano have found an exploit, but nobody has even started to do anything about it. Even if they eventually do, it will not use the files for any other ipod as the hardware is different. 13:41:53 gapan he says that the 2nd time he tried the installation started but failed with errors 13:42:02 gapan and then when he rebooted it just worked! 13:42:06 AlexP He is lying 13:42:13 gapan I'll convey that to him :D 13:42:19 AlexP For the last time, IT DOESN'T WORK, IT CANNOT WORK 13:42:30 gapan yep, got it, thanks :) 13:42:34 AlexP Yes, perhaps you could post so that others don't get confused 13:43:44 AlexP Maybe he is just confused and has a supported ipod with a bigger disk? Unlikely I guess 13:44:08 gapan is there a supported ipod with a 160GB HD? 13:44:12 AlexP No 13:44:17 gapan so no 13:44:28 AlexP But you *could* change the disk for a bigger one in one of the supported ipods 13:44:42 AlexP Which is what I meant 13:45:14 gapan I don't think he did that 13:45:35 AlexP So we get back to him just not having done what he said he did :) 13:46:17 Quit Rondom (Nick collision from services.) 13:46:28 Join Rondom [0] (n=Rondom@dslb-084-057-194-054.pools.arcor-ip.net) 13:49:46 AlexP gapan: Sorry to have "shouted" at you, I was just being very clear :) 13:53:16 gapan AlexP: no problem :) 13:55:55 Quit Rondom (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 13:56:41 kugel are we going to have 3.4 for unstable devices? 13:57:26 Join Rondom [0] (n=Rondom@dslb-084-057-157-179.pools.arcor-ip.net) 13:59:27 AlexP interestiung question 13:59:42 Nick fxb__ is now known as fxb (n=felixbru@h1252615.stratoserver.net) 13:59:46 AlexP I *think* we said that we would just release stable, but support unstable 14:00 14:00:19 AlexP To my mind a release should be more "complete" - rbutil, manual, more of the features etc. 14:01:40 Join timc [0] (n=aoeu@221.201.148.55) 14:05:50 kugel in my mind a release is just a stable'fied snapshot of the source, and there's no real reason to not have it running on other ports 14:06:22 kugel even users of unstable ports may which to run the most stable rockbox :) 14:06:26 kugel wish* 14:06:57 AlexP probably less though as it is likely to be changing at a faster rate 14:07:41 kugel who's going to make the release zips? 14:07:45 AlexP maybe we could do something like have 3.4 - preliminary support for (insert unstable targets here) 14:13:14 Join robin0800 [0] (n=robin080@cpc3-brig8-0-0-cust436.brig.cable.ntl.com) 14:15:49 Quit DarkDefender (Read error: 54 (Connection reset by peer)) 14:21:29 Quit gregzx (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 14:22:28 CIA-43 New commit by 03kugel (r22746): Make Samsung YH* bootloaders non-verbose (i.e. show the bootlogo) 14:23:55 Quit Farthen (Remote closed the connection) 14:25:04 CIA-43 New commit by 03kugel (r22747): Make Samsung YH* bootloaders non-verbose (i.e. show the bootlogo) (backported from the ams/pp bootloader branch) 14:28:41 CIA-43 New commit by 03kugel (r22748): Branch for Rockbox 3.4 14:30:27 Join bipak [0] (n=bip@dslb-094-220-144-202.pools.arcor-ip.net) 14:30:31 Quit lennyk () 14:30:32 bipak hi 14:32:04 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 14:32:15 bipak i have an ihp120 with a very old bootloader (2006). you could boot into the original firmware by pressing play on the remote control. unfortunately i can't find my remote at the moment. is there any other way to boot into it? 14:35:08 pixelma there is a description on how to do this in our manual, I don't know though if this also applies to the old bootloader (but you can always try), I don't even have an H120 14:35:39 AlexP record 14:35:56 AlexP I think that was there on most bootloaders 14:35:59 bipak oh yeah! 14:36:26 AlexP and it should be in the manual (I'll just check) 14:36:37 bipak thanks, pressing play while holding record down works :) 14:36:58 AlexP yep - http://download.rockbox.org/daily/manual/rockbox-h100/rockbox-buildch3.html#x5-260003.1.3 14:39:39 bipak new rockbox is running :D 14:39:47 bipak thanks alot for this great firmware 14:39:57 AlexP you are welcome :) 14:44:09 Quit sbhsu_ (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 14:45:50 Quit n17ikh (Read error: 131 (Connection reset by peer)) 14:48:35 Join Omlet [0] (n=Omlet05@208.226-200-80.adsl-dyn.isp.belgacom.be) 14:50:23 bipak is there any lowcost player you can suggest? 14:53:55 Join n17ikh [0] (n=n17ikh@host-69-59-126-212.nctv.com) 15:00 15:03:10 Join DarkDefender [0] (n=rob@78-69-30-229-no36.tbcn.telia.com) 15:08:49 kugel AlexP: I was wondering if FS #10553 can go in before 3.4? 15:09:05 kugel it doesn't look like, does it? 15:09:29 AlexP kugel: I'll have a look this afternoon 15:09:46 AlexP kugel: But I don't think it is hugely important - we don't have a release manual 15:10:01 AlexP anyway, we have the week of the branch 15:10:19 kugel no week, 3 days 15:10:24 kugel and we have a release branch 15:10:32 kugel release manual * 15:11:00 AlexP Where do you get that from? 15:11:29 AlexP ah, found it 15:11:35 AlexP I never knew about that :) 15:11:36 kugel http://www.rockbox.org/download/byhand.cgi 15:11:54 AlexP OK, well I have a look this afternoon anyway 15:13:19 kugel which reminds me, I wanted to document the playlist viewer feature :S 15:13:25 * kugel totally forgot about that 15:15:26 Quit FOAD (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 15:17:40 Nick fxb is now known as fxb__ (n=felixbru@h1252615.stratoserver.net) 15:19:44 pixelma kugel: if you want more up-to-date translations maybe send a call out on the ml, this seems to have helped in previous releases 15:19:57 kugel it helped yes 15:20:20 kugel but I just branched. the branch phase is really not indented to be the translation phase 15:21:21 pixelma says who? I know it's a bit harder because you have to update both branches, but I remember having done so before 15:22:13 Join bluebrother [0] (n=dom@rockbox/developer/bluebrother) 15:22:31 Join sbhsu [0] (n=a6530466@192.192.120.197) 15:24:49 Quit DarkDefender (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 15:26:31 kugel well, I'm not going to encourage this. Release branches should be left untouched ideally after the initial branch happened 15:28:32 pixelma I think it's ok for translations as it's very unlikely to break something there just making the language support better 15:29:05 bluebrother what's the point of a branch if you don't change it? 15:30:04 Join domonoky [0] (n=Domonoky@rockbox/developer/domonoky) 15:30:49 kugel it's not a "cool-new-feature" branch, it's a release branch. any commits should be avoided to not risk its stability 15:31:28 kugel I thought that would be clear after 3 releases of this kind 15:31:34 bluebrother "release branch" doesn't mean "no commits branch". It's just a "fixes only" branch. 15:31:36 kugel 4 even 15:31:57 kugel we have the freeze phase for "fixes only" 15:32:02 bluebrother kugel: what's the point of this stupid remark? 15:32:42 bluebrother if you don't want to change a branch at all you can just write down the revision you'd have branched otherwise and tag that instead of doing a branch at all. 15:33:02 bluebrother missing strings in a translation is something that is part of fixing. 15:33:13 * bluebrother shakes head 15:33:18 * kugel too 15:34:12 bluebrother I've done more than 4 releases in the last couple of years. It just happened to not be Rockbox releases. 15:34:20 bluebrother so stop the crap. 15:34:31 kugel I'm not going to discuss it further. not my problem you missed how we did the previous releases 15:34:32 pixelma the branch also allows you to e.g. disable broken features that you don't want to disable in the main code in the hope that it'll serve as a reminder to fix it, e.g. metronome 15:35:15 kugel +if 15:35:21 bluebrother kugel: would you *please* stop this nonsense? Why on earth do you think I missed how the last releases were done? 15:36:10 bluebrother pixelma: disabling broken features in a branch is changing the precious branch! How dare we did that in the past! 15:36:14 domonoky kugel: if you look into the history, you will see that we have done changes on the release branches.. 15:37:09 Bagder bug fixes done from now until the release are typically done in both branches 15:37:19 Bagder and the release branch usually gets "cleanups" for the release 15:37:30 pixelma I don't like that style of discussion 15:37:46 bluebrother pixelma: me neither. 15:37:55 Llorean The whole point of the branch is for it to receive minimal changes that are very safe. Language changes are pretty darn safe. 15:38:30 Bagder and if we want to disable stuff in the release we don't do in trunk, that's also perfectly fine 15:38:58 Llorean Yes, disabling things are usually safer than trying to fix them at the last moment, so that fits into the whole safe changes thing. :) 15:39:08 Llorean But "not touching it at all" defeats the purpose of even having a branch. 15:39:19 bluebrother That's a change in the precious branch! 15:39:43 kugel yes, disabling features that aren't working sufficiently and release stuff like the version number, that's what the branch is for. urgent last minute fixes are OK too 15:39:46 Llorean Code should be as hands off as possible, which just means "don't change it unless there's a very good reason" but we had this discussion around 3.0 or 3.1 I think where we decided languages are pretty much fine. 15:40:10 Llorean Well, not such a discussion then. 15:40:21 Llorean Just a sort of "yeah, sure, sounds good" couple of statements. 15:40:45 kugel translations are pretty safe, but I'm not going to encourage having the branch phase as translation phase (i.e. I won't send any "call for translator" mail) 15:41:15 aidy why not 15:41:41 aidy translation fixes aren't new translations anyway 15:41:42 bluebrother so I missed how we did releases in the past simply because I don't have a problem with calling translators during the release branch phase? *great!* 15:42:01 * bluebrother is *really* impressed by this logic 15:42:01 Llorean That doesn't encourage it as being the "translation phase" that encourages getting the translation done before the release even though we got it started late. 15:42:33 domonoky the call for translators still should get out.. rasher thats your job ! :-) 15:43:13 * rasher doesn't see the point of this 15:43:27 rasher That is, differentiating between the freeze and branch phase for translations 15:44:00 domonoky true, we just want fine translations before we release, doesnt matter when they get in... 15:44:26 rasher I do think it's a bit late now though, possibly 15:44:30 CIA-43 New commit by 03Domonoky (r22749): rbutil: bump version in preparation for release. 15:44:44 domonoky rasher: better late, then never :-) 15:44:48 Quit genia4 ("leaving") 15:44:57 pixelma yes, seems we are all a bit release tired... ;) 15:45:09 rasher Think it was just bad timing 15:45:38 pixelma the whole release schedule suffers from being "a bit late" 15:47:23 CIA-43 New commit by 03Domonoky (r22750): tag rbutil 1.2.3 release. 15:48:37 domonoky bluebrother: rbutil release tag is ready. time to build some binarys :-) 15:48:54 bluebrother domonoky: did I miss something? Did we decide to tag *now*? 15:49:14 kugel I haven't followed it closely, what's the status of the unstable ports in rbutil? 15:49:53 domonoky i asked yesterday if there is anything against releaseing this weekend. the only thing was the marking of unstable (which is done) 15:50:02 kugel and, can you use it to install it on fuze/e200v2 and samsungs (they're supposed to have rbutil support)? 15:50:33 domonoky kugel: only fuze/e200v2 is enabled in rbutil. 15:50:45 kugel I guess you can't install on the samsungs, no bootloaders on the download server 15:51:04 kugel I was about to send Bagder some these days 15:53:36 Join guest101 [0] (i=www-data@giant.haxx.se) 15:56:06 Join pamaury [0] (n=pamaury@dhcp-66-35.ens-lyon.fr) 15:56:29 domonoky kugel: the samsungs are not even in the unstable category... so way to early for rbutil :-) 15:56:44 * bluebrother would have tried to update the german rbutil translation, but as we needed to tag immediately ... :/ 15:56:55 kugel domonoky: actually I looked at putting those into the category today 15:57:12 kugel but www/ doesn't contain the latest website (as I mentioned earlier) 15:57:32 domonoky bluebrother: your chance to say this was yesterday :-) but if you want, we can move the tag. 15:57:41 bluebrother nah. 15:58:23 bluebrother you didn't tell that you are going to tag during the mid of the day, and that you are going to do it. It was only talk about considering a release ... 15:58:32 guest101 hi. i just installed rockbox, but i can't seem to find where to you enable time stretch. i can't find it in the sound settings. any help? 15:58:36 Join wincent [0] (n=wincent@host-091-097-059-130.ewe-ip-backbone.de) 15:59:08 kugel Bagder: but you'll still be doing th zips? 15:59:12 domonoky guest101: take a look at the manual ? 15:59:17 Bagder I don't know 15:59:25 Llorean Could we maybe schedule an automated email for the second of the appropriate months announcing the freezes on the 9th (1 week later) to both serve as a reminder for us, and a general announcement, that it's release time? 15:59:29 kugel (re: "personally I'm just in the bg for this release") 15:59:42 Bagder I think I'll manage to make them 15:59:54 Llorean Didn't someone else make the .zips last time? 16:00 16:00:02 kugel Bagder: do you have an idea why www/ is outdated? 16:00:17 Bagder because zagor edited the files locally I assume 16:00:21 pixelma guest101: which player do you use? 16:00:26 guest101 domonoky: already read the manual.. it's under sound settings, but i can't find it there. 16:00:36 guest101 pixelma: ipod 5.5 16:00:41 pixelma guest101: and which revision (build)? 16:00:45 kugel I wanted to put the samsungs into unstable, but there's little point as of now 16:00:51 Bagder yeah, anyone can build the zips, that's why we have the zip building scripts in svn 16:03:30 guest101 pixelma: i just run the rockbox installer tool.. how do you know which build you have? 16:03:56 kugel guest101: the latest release (3.3) probably which doesn't have timestretch 16:04:51 guest101 kugel: oh i guess that's it. what release has time stretch? i want to speed up playback without affecting pitch for audiobooks. 16:04:55 domonoky guest101: use the "Install Rockbox" button in rbutil, and select latest build. then you should have timestretch 16:05:13 kugel or you wait a few days for 3.4 :) 16:05:30 bluebrother guest101: Rockbox Utility does tell you which build its going to install. Afterwards, check System / Rockbox Info (surprise surprise! ;-) 16:06:04 bluebrother hmm, the beast battery calculation is great. 91%, 127h :) 16:06:09 Join gregzx [0] (n=chatzill@dtb49.neoplus.adsl.tpnet.pl) 16:06:47 guest101 bluebrother: oh ok. i get it now. thanks for all the help you guys! 16:09:01 Quit guest101 ("CGI:IRC (EOF)") 16:12:39 * pixelma wonders if this lack of enthusiasm about the release is a sign that a 3-months release cycle is a bit short 16:14:04 kugel possibly, I don't like that 3-month cycle 16:16:19 Quit Grahack ("Leaving.") 16:21:03 Llorean I think a longer cycle isn't really going to make remembering to do it easier, though. 16:22:27 n1s i think a longer cycle would be better 16:22:39 Llorean It would better accomplish what? 16:22:46 * domonoky thinks we just need to automate the release thing more.. 16:23:28 Llorean I mean, a longer cycle's fine if it meets the goals determined by releasing, but you should figure out what those are first, then fit your release cycle around it. 16:23:38 Quit Omlet () 16:23:45 n1s but more importantly we need someone to step up and suggest a schedule, do branching, send mails etc to get the ball rolling, something Bagder has done previously 16:24:04 domonoky especially automated reminder mails might be a good thing. 16:24:13 Bagder I think so too, I don't think prolonging the periods will make anything better 16:24:18 n1s Llorean: i think it would help build up more enthusiasm for a release 16:24:37 * n1s see no point in automated mails 16:24:40 Bagder the problem is that us devs don't really have any benefits from releases 16:24:56 Bagder other than getting users more up to speed with what's on trunk 16:25:09 n1s the tracker reminder mails go directly in the spam dir... 16:26:24 Join DarkDefender [0] (n=rob@78-69-30-229-no36.tbcn.telia.com) 16:26:52 domonoky n1s: its your fault to let them go into the spam dir. automated mails might help so we dont forget we are near release time. 16:27:37 Llorean I think the problem was more "lack of memory" than "lack of enthusiasm". 16:28:00 n1s domonoky: yes, it's my fault because i set up a filter do do that 16:28:04 Llorean Well, for the most part. Apparently the one person who did remember of those of you who're active here wasn't enthusiastic, so chose not to remind you guys. 16:28:54 Llorean But I mean, any of you can choose not to participate whether it's a person or an email who reminds you, so I don't think email reminders are any worse than an active person. 16:29:13 Llorean As long as you don't intentionally choose to filter out release emails (which you could do just by trashing any personal emails about the release too, anyway). 16:29:35 Llorean But again - what's the goal with the release? 16:30:12 Llorean Right now at 3 months it's short enough that we can say to people "just roll back to the release for now" when there's a bug around, knowing they usually won't lose but one or two significant features. 16:30:21 Llorean What's the proposed longer time frame? 16:31:11 n1s i think something like twice a year would be better 16:32:08 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 16:32:17 * domonoky thinks that at devcon, we sayed to stay with the 3month cycle.. ( or at least we try to:-) ) 16:34:19 kugel yea, I brought that up 16:35:18 * domonoky thinks that with automated reminders, and selecting a "release manager" for every release, we should be able to orgnaise this in a good way. 16:36:20 Llorean domonoky: See if you can get a volunteer when 3.4 comes out for a 3.5 RM, that way you don't have to remember to pick one later. :) 16:37:49 domonoky maybe we should let "rsb" select the RM, then rsb has something todo :-) 16:38:32 Llorean Well, you need more than one volunteer before a decision needs to be made anyway 16:38:37 Llorean You can't really just assign someone the job. 16:38:49 domonoky yes, just joking... 16:38:57 Quit robin0800 (Remote closed the connection) 16:39:52 Llorean Well, just wanted to say that since people keep saying "pick an RM" but you don't even have a single volunteer yet. :) 16:39:53 domonoky we should just ask shortly before the release, who wants to volunteer to organise the next release... maybe give some bonus for this person ? (a rockbox release manager shirt for example) 16:40:58 Join panni_ [0] (i=hannes@ip-95-222-19-21.unitymediagroup.de) 16:41:22 Llorean T-shirts are always a fun incentive. 16:41:38 bluebrother the release dates might be a bit of a problem ... next release would be almost on christmas. 16:42:12 bluebrother shifting it two weeks earlier (or a month later) might be a good thing, at least for 3.5 16:42:15 Llorean We could do three releases a year. Six months, three months, three months. So we skip over Christmas, and give everyone a break? 16:42:31 domonoky people even mentor a student for the whole summer for a shirt, so a "Rockbox 3.4 Release Manager" Shirt should be a good incentive :-) 16:43:25 domonoky Bagder: can you please move this: http://www.retrospektiwe.de/rbutilqt-v1.2.3.dmg to the download server ? 16:44:07 * bluebrother could consider trying to do some organizational work for the next release, but no idea about internet connectivity during christmas 16:44:16 bluebrother plus, there's 26c3 after christmas. 16:44:43 domonoky lets have a release party at 26c3 :-) 16:44:57 bluebrother domonoky: you coming? It was much fun last year 16:46:45 Join matsl [0] (n=matsl@1-1-4-2a.mal.sth.bostream.se) 16:47:06 Join fml [0] (i=www-data@giant.haxx.se) 16:47:59 Quit stoffel (Read error: 148 (No route to host)) 16:48:10 fml Hello. I'm trying to apply a patch that I created myself, but I get the following error: "patch: **** malformed patch at line xx" How can this be? And what can I do to avoid this? 16:48:29 * bluebrother wonders if there's something similar to ldd for windows binaries, i.e. some command line version of depends.exe 16:48:34 fml It's the latest patch from FS #8768 16:49:12 domonoky bluebrother: try depends.exe /c :-) 16:51:50 Join robin0800 [0] (n=robin080@cpc3-brig8-0-0-cust436.brig.cable.ntl.com) 16:51:59 Quit TheSeven ("#linux4nano-core") 16:52:37 Join TheSeven [0] (n=theseven@84.56.164.110) 16:55:55 AlexP With viewports, if you define x and y and leave the width and height blank it'll stretch from the x,y to fill the rest of the screen right? 16:56:09 * AlexP is still bashing FS #10553 into shape 16:56:16 bluebrother domonoky: nice, but not exactly what I'm looking for. Might be useable enough though. 16:59:31 CIA-43 New commit by 03bluebrother (r22751): Fix short version of qmake command option. Add display of building time. 17:00 17:00:03 bluebrother Bagder: rbutil 1.2.3 w32 and linux binaries at http://www.alice-dsl.net/dominik.riebeling/rockbox/. Can you move them? 17:06:07 pamaury bluebrother: what are you looking for exactly ? 17:06:33 fml Can anybody please try to apply this patch to the current SVN: http://www.rockbox.org/tracker/task/8768?getfile=20546 ? And tell me whether there are any problems? 17:07:32 bluebrother pamaury: I'd like to have some checking in the release script that gives me a warning if the binary is dynamically linked against some dlls. Especially mingwm.dll on Windows. 17:07:34 rasher AlexP: did you look at the manual bits I wrote? 17:07:43 AlexP Where? 17:07:51 rasher FS #9934 17:07:55 AlexP bugger 17:08:01 AlexP I didn't know about that 17:08:05 AlexP I'll have a look 17:08:13 rasher Doesn't look like anyone did 17:08:18 rasher (me included) 17:08:21 bluebrother fml: malformed patch at line 44 17:08:26 AlexP This patch is a pain as well - full of errors, tabs etc. 17:08:34 AlexP I've nearly got it done though 17:08:42 rasher When I saw the opened task, my first reaction was "what, I added that ages ago!" 17:08:46 AlexP rasher: I'll finish this then try and merge yours 17:08:47 rasher Turns out I didn't. 17:09:01 AlexP Or is yours ready to go straight in? 17:09:16 rasher I don't remember. 17:10:11 CIA-43 New commit by 03bluebrother (r22752): Substract the correct number of minutes when calculating the durations seconds part. 17:10:52 bluebrother note to self: when testing something that calculates a duration in min:sec, don't try with a tree that builds in less 17:11:29 pamaury bluebrother: and what is the problem with depends.exe ? Isn't it interactive AFAIR ? 17:11:53 bluebrother pamaury: yes, but I like to have that in the deploy script. I.e. non-interactive 17:13:22 fml bluebrother: yes, I get the same error. But I don't understand why. I also get errors with other patches from that task :-/ 17:13:29 pamaury bluebrother: it's quite easy to create a program that list the dll a exe/dll depends on. Perhaps I even have one on my computer 17:19:36 Quit domonoky (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 17:20:08 Join domonoky [0] (n=Domonoky@rockbox/developer/domonoky) 17:26:15 Quit jamie_ (Remote closed the connection) 17:35:18 Quit shaggy-h () 17:38:26 Join Lear [0] (i=chatzill@rockbox/developer/lear) 17:40:21 Join chandoo [0] (n=chandoo@ool-4353b978.dyn.optonline.net) 17:44:23 * fml has no clue why he keeps getting error messages when patching. The patch wasn't edited manually! 17:45:33 pixelma linefeed issues perhaps? 17:46:23 bluebrother no. I've tried dos2unix the patch, didn't change anything 17:46:54 bluebrother the only thing I can think of is line numbers being off. Though that shouldn't happend if the patch was generated directly from svn and not changed manually 17:47:55 AlexP rasher: It looks like the patch I've been playing with contains what yours does (in fact, looking at the text some of it seems to have come from there...) except it puts the description in advanced topics and just the tags in the wps tags section 17:48:07 fml I even tried delete everything but the first hunk −− no success. 17:48:09 AlexP rasher: Would you like to have a look at my cleaned up version of this one? 17:48:49 kugel AlexP: viewports isn't a WPS-only thing anymore, which is probably why it's under andvanced topics 17:49:02 AlexP yes, I know 17:49:15 AlexP It is as two seperate topics 17:49:22 AlexP wps viewports and ui viewports 17:49:38 AlexP both of which should be under advanced topics (for the description) anyway 17:50:23 kugel I think the description and UI vp could be under "Customising the User Interface", the wps syntax where the other tags are described 17:50:41 kugel with the addition of conditionals VPsfor the wps 17:52:25 AlexP yes, that is what it does 17:53:17 bluebrother is there something like "mkdir -p" on windows? I.e. a way to make mkdir *not* fail if the folder already exists? 17:53:22 Part bipak 17:57:38 pamaury bluebrother: are you still interested in a ldd like for windows ? I have a self contained program that can list dependencies (dll only, not imported functions), that works at least on linux (ie not tested on windows) and at least for 32-bit programs :) 17:58:15 bluebrother pamaury: definitely 17:59:01 pamaury bluebrother: http://pastie.org/623635 17:59:02 Join stoffel [0] (n=quassel@p57B4F706.dip.t-dialin.net) 17:59:44 pamaury hope it can helps, it's not very robust but it should work 18:00 18:00:39 bluebrother pamaury: I'll check that, it's better than having nothing to start with :) Thanks. 18:01:17 AlexP kugel, rasher: http://pastebin.com/m4acfdc24 18:01:24 pamaury bluebrother: it's nothing, if you want to get rid of all the preliminary definition, just include windows.h and it should works 18:03:16 Quit pamaury ("exit(*(int *)0 / 0);") 18:03:51 kugel AlexP: the patch doesn't tell me much :( can you build me a pdf? 18:04:11 AlexP kugel: It tells you everything! 18:04:17 AlexP kugel: What target? 18:04:39 kugel color and/or grey 18:05:18 * AlexP doesn't know this "color" thing :) 18:05:29 kugel do you have an idea why {\textbar} is needed for the \config thing, but not for \begin{example} ? 18:05:34 kugel colour* :) 18:05:44 AlexP lines? 18:05:54 kugel first hunk of the patch 18:05:58 kugel lines 8 and 22 18:06:26 AlexP no, I hadn't noticed that 18:06:30 AlexP I'll have a play 18:07:13 AlexP I presume because \example{} takes it verbatim 18:07:18 kugel bluebrother: does python not know the % operator? 18:08:06 AlexP kugel: Note the % doesn't need escaping either 18:09:28 AlexP kugel: http://aeparker.com/files/rockbox-h120-r22748M-090920.pdf and http://aeparker.com/files/rockbox-gigabeatf-r22748M-090920.pdf 18:12:04 Quit gregzx ("ChatZilla 0.9.85 [Firefox 3.5.2/20090729225027]") 18:14:16 kugel AlexP: Looks largely fine to me, although the major part of the discription of viewports is in the WPS section, which comes after teh UI viewport section 18:14:49 kugel not a big deal, since there's a nice reference, but I can imagine that viewports are described very generally before UI vp and WPS vps 18:15:32 AlexP kugel: Yes, a good point - I'll see if I can shuffle it around 18:16:35 CIA-43 New commit by 03alle (r22753): Pitch Detector: add the possibility to set the reference frequency of A (last part of FS #8768) 18:18:35 Join robertoss [0] (n=rob@207.112.99.226) 18:20:14 robertoss hey everyone, quick question about turning on the ipod video, i noticed that i can turn it on by quickly pressing menu, and then also boot to the apple OS with a Long Menu, but the manual says to use menu/select? Is this something that is well known or is it new? BTW i have the large disk build from bobbozo 18:22:31 Join saratoga [0] (i=www-data@giant.haxx.se) 18:22:52 saratoga can someone add the Fuze to the theme site? 18:23:08 Quit wincent (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 18:24:08 kugel saratoga: done, it needs a picture though 18:25:37 kugel I have one, but I have no idea how make it show up there 18:26:20 Quit robin0800 (Remote closed the connection) 18:26:30 kugel rasher: ^ ? 18:26:55 saratoga kugel: shouldn't the fuze use ipod color themes 18:27:20 kugel yea, for some reason it has no theme 18:29:33 rasher kugel: needs to be on the main site 18:30:01 rasher kugel: in http://www.rockbox.org/playerpics/ 18:30:03 CIA-43 New commit by 03kugel (r22754): Add small pictures for Sansa Fuze and Samsung YH925. 18:30:27 kugel rasher: like this? 18:30:57 rasher kugel: don't know if they get pushed or if you need a swede to update www 18:32:06 rasher kugel: but yes 18:32:12 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 18:32:37 saratoga no theory as to why it didn't group the ipod color themes with the fuze? 18:33:26 CIA-43 New commit by 03alle (r22755): Pitch Detector: use special functions for choosing bool values 18:35:31 domonoky either the wrong resolution was entered or it has todo with the checkwps checking. 18:36:16 Join Farthen [0] (n=chatzill@e176134206.adsl.alicedsl.de) 18:36:21 kugel 220x176 is what I entered 18:37:31 kugel hrm, it seems I should've used "Sandisk Sansa Fuze" :/ 18:37:34 kugel can that be changed? 18:38:04 kugel it doesn't matter for the themes, but it would be more consistent with the other sansas 18:38:53 * rasher will fix 18:39:27 domonoky also the e200v2 should be added, or rbutil wont find themes for it. 18:39:30 kugel although the ipods don't have apple in front 18:42:10 rasher scorche: we need libsdl1.2-dev on the theme server (to build checkwps) 18:42:49 Join Grahack [0] (n=chri@ip-222.net-82-216-222.rev.numericable.fr) 18:44:29 saratoga the svg images on the download site look so much nicer then the sim pictures 18:47:12 rasher Yeah, why aren't we using these for the sim? 18:47:34 saratoga do we have higher res versions? 18:47:39 saratoga or is svg scalable 18:47:51 rasher svg is scalable 18:47:58 rasher They're the same ones used in the manual 18:48:48 CIA-43 New commit by 03alex (r22756): Add viewports to the manual. Adapted from FS #9934 by Jonas Häggqvist and FS #10553 by David Kauffmann 18:49:11 AlexP Did we branch for 3.4? I guess I should put that in there too 18:49:15 rasher Just needs an overlay for the buttons 18:49:22 rasher AlexP: not sure it matters for the manual, but yes we did 18:49:34 rasher not much work, I guess 18:49:40 AlexP Probably best too - 3.4 contains the viewports :) 18:49:51 AlexP Yeah, I'll do it shortly 18:53:41 Topic "3.4 has now been branched | Please read before speaking: http://www.rockbox.org/wiki/IrcGuidelines | Please direct offtopic/social chat to #rockbox-community" by ChanServ (ChanServ@services.) 18:54:39 Join stevetuc [0] (i=www-data@83.168.254.42) 18:57:56 Quit stevetuc (Client Quit) 18:59:30 * domonoky just added e200v2 to the theme page. but it also didnt get any themes. so it probably needs new checkwps binarys for the new targets. 19:00 19:03:13 CIA-43 New commit by 03alex (r22757): Port r22756 to the 3.4 branch - Add viewports to the manual. Adapted from FS #9934 by Jonas Häggqvist and FS #10553 by David Kauffmann. 19:03:32 CIA-43 New commit by 03alle (r22758): Pitch Detector: group note related data together 19:04:00 CIA-43 New commit by 03bluebrother (r22759): Always format error message using ANSI functions to get rid of type-punning when building with rbutil. 19:10:18 CIA-43 New commit by 03alle (r22760): Clarify the unit of note frequency 19:11:55 Quit LinuxMafia (Remote closed the connection) 19:15:00 AlexP A-B repeat is on all players right? 19:15:53 dionoea Bagder: Hi. it looks like the since-4weeks.html page isn't updated anymore. 19:16:10 * Bagder blames a random kid brother 19:17:01 pixelma AlexP: I'm not sure, even if it is there are two ways to control it (depending on the amount of usable buttons) 19:17:26 pixelma I'm not sure the Ondio (and the Player maybe) have it 19:19:45 pixelma the Ondio seems to have it (at least it's in the menu) 19:20:47 AlexP pixelma: OK, I'll think about doing something about it at some point :) 19:23:22 pixelma urgh, if you enable A-B repeat on the Ondio you can't go from the WPS to the filebrowser anymore... 19:23:55 Join webguest26 [0] (i=www-data@giant.haxx.se) 19:23:55 Quit webguest26 (Client Quit) 19:25:05 amiconn You can... just not directly 19:26:05 pixelma well, context menu > menu > file browser? Ok... 19:26:12 amiconn yes 19:26:43 amiconn Of course there is a tradeoff 19:27:24 Quit fml ("CGI:IRC 0.5.9 (2006/06/06)") 19:27:31 amiconn I think that A-B repeat needs quick access if enabled, otherwise it could be put into the wps context menu 19:31:03 Quit langzeitstudent_ ("Verlassend") 19:31:48 Quit saratoga ("CGI:IRC (EOF)") 19:31:50 Lear kugel: regarding the gcc 4.4.1 test, was the binutils snapshot needed for some reason? 19:33:22 pixelma entering the filebrowser through the menu is a bit different than entering directly from the WPS if you have "follow playlist" enabled because you get to folder you last browsed not to the curently playing track, not a big deal though 19:34:57 * amiconn thinks that this is a bug 19:35:56 pixelma I think you can see it both ways 19:37:00 pixelma consistency when entering the file browser through the menu or not 19:37:40 pixelma or for "folliow playlist" 19:38:49 kugel Lear: 2.19 didn't work without modifications on the previous test 19:41:03 Join robin0800 [0] (n=robin080@general-kt-199.t-mobile.co.uk) 19:48:07 kugel Lear: if you're running x86_84 I can hand you the binaries 19:48:15 kugel for arm 19:51:43 kugel x86_64 of course :) 19:55:04 Lear kugel: Thanks, but I use Cygwin... 19:56:07 kugel That hurts me bad 19:58:57 Quit inversions (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 20:00 20:00:52 Nick fxb__ is now known as fxb (n=felixbru@h1252615.stratoserver.net) 20:09:46 Join Lear_ [0] (i=chatzill@rockbox/developer/lear) 20:10:27 Join merbanan [0] (n=banan@83.233.172.245) 20:10:40 Join wincent [0] (n=wincent@host-091-097-059-130.ewe-ip-backbone.de) 20:12:02 Quit flydutch ("/* empty */") 20:12:41 Join Lear__ [0] (i=chatzill@141.191.216.81.static.g-hn.siw.siwnet.net) 20:18:54 Quit Lear_ (Read error: 60 (Operation timed out)) 20:22:18 Join funman [0] (n=fun@rockbox/developer/funman) 20:22:45 Quit stoffel (Remote closed the connection) 20:23:20 Join bughunter2 [0] (n=bughunte@unaffiliated/bughunter2) 20:25:00 Nick Lear__ is now known as Lear_ (i=chatzill@141.191.216.81.static.g-hn.siw.siwnet.net) 20:27:03 Lear_ kugel: Hrm, the binutils snapshot from the 20th didn't build for me... 20:28:10 Quit Lear (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 20:30:51 Lear_ kugel: Ah, just a missing lib, easy to fix. 20:32:14 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 20:33:44 Lear_ Now what, test_codec made an empty log file (for a folder run). 20:35:46 kugel I didn't do folder runs 20:41:05 funman bughunter2: what action should cause an USB interrupt on Sansa AMS, simply plugging the device on USB ? 20:41:24 bughunter2 I'd guess so? 20:41:45 funman shouldn't the first action come from the device towards the usb controller ? 20:41:55 bughunter2 hmm 20:42:06 bughunter2 I'm not that experienced with USB, so I'd have to read up on that 20:42:10 bughunter2 but you could definitely be right 20:42:32 funman just suggesting, i'm not experienced with usb either 20:42:46 Lear_ File was written, (chdsk found it). If there was a crash, there was no panic screen... 20:45:14 Quit tarbo (Remote closed the connection) 20:45:29 bughunter2 funman: maybe you could check the OF init routine once more, to be sure? 20:46:15 funman there is not "one init routine" iirc, what are you looking for exactly ? 20:46:29 bughunter2 the usb driver initialization? 20:46:50 Join bertrik [0] (n=bertrik@ip117-49-211-87.adsl2.static.versatel.nl) 20:46:50 funman well i believe the initialization is split in several places 20:46:56 bughunter2 ah 20:47:37 funman some functions can be hard to follow due to several reasons (function pointers comes to my mind) 20:49:24 bughunter2 I'd guess that a lot of the USB packets going to the host are the same on most players... if that's the case then couldn't we just compare other rockbox code and check whether rockbox sends the first packet? 20:50:26 funman sounds good 20:51:41 Quit Galois ("Leaving") 20:52:03 Quit GeekShadow (Read error: 54 (Connection reset by peer)) 20:52:09 bertrik bughunter2, as far as I've seen so far USB controllers give interrupts for the following two broad cases: device interrupts (plugin/out, speed-change) and endpoint interrupts (packet sent or received for example) 20:52:40 bughunter2 ok 20:53:01 bertrik the usual case is that the device activates a pull-up on the D+ line (or inserted with the D+ pullup already active), this is detected by the host which does a USB device reset 20:53:02 bughunter2 so then we should get an interrupt, if interrupts are working.. 20:53:22 bertrik yes 20:53:23 bughunter2 sorry I don't know what the D+ line is 20:53:54 bertrik it's one of the four signal lines used in USB (ground, power, D+, D-) 20:53:59 bughunter2 ah 20:54:14 bertrik one of the middle two in a flat USB connector 20:55:34 Quit matsl ("Leaving") 20:55:44 Join matsl [0] (n=matsl@1-1-4-2a.mal.sth.bostream.se) 20:56:18 bughunter2 bertrik: so once I'd connect my e200v2, I should immediately get an interrupt, after rockbox shows the USB logo? 20:56:23 Part Grahack 20:56:26 bughunter2 or even before that/ 20:56:27 bughunter2 ? 20:56:51 bughunter2 to test whether interrupts work, I simply put a panicf() in INT_USB, but it never paniced :/ 20:58:23 bertrik I'd expect so, yet 20:58:40 bertrik *yes. Does the host see anything happen when you plug it in? 20:58:54 bughunter2 nope, nothing in the device manager either 21:00 21:00:56 bughunter2 I just inserted some extra panics, let's see if something happens 21:01:02 bertrik do you see anything happen in the dmesg log of a linux machine? 21:01:16 bughunter2 I'll try that, too 21:04:27 Join HBK [0] (n=hbk@rrcs-97-77-51-170.sw.biz.rr.com) 21:04:38 bughunter2 bertrik: nothing in dmesg 21:06:39 bertrik in that case I think, USB is not active at all yet. It could be that the pull-up on D+ is not activated from the device side. 21:07:01 bughunter2 so, the device isn't initialized correctly? what else could it be? 21:07:28 Quit Horscht ("Verlassend") 21:08:14 bughunter2 aw, even with panics all over the place, not even one panic is displayed :P 21:08:23 bughunter2 except the one in usb_attach that I tried out of paranoia 21:11:18 bertrik I'll check the datasheet 21:11:50 bughunter2 thanks 21:14:12 Quit funman ("leaving") 21:16:20 Quit Lear_ ("ChatZilla 0.9.85 [Firefox 3.5.3/20090824101458]") 21:17:23 bertrik which part (chapter) of the datasheet applies to the USB device controller in the as3525? 21:17:34 bughunter2 of the amd sheet? 21:18:04 bertrik yes 21:18:14 bughunter2 just the ones that match the register names, I'd guess 21:18:22 bughunter2 haven't read the full thing yet 21:19:27 bughunter2 the names can slightly differ though 21:19:40 bughunter2 for e.g. in AS sheet: USB_DEV_CTL, and in AMD's sheet: DEVCTL 21:19:53 bughunter2 err, USB_DEV_CFG / DEVCFG 21:20:30 bughunter2 I'm trying to make a little trace, to see what the OF sends to the host 21:22:17 bertrik ah chapter 6.4.5 21:22:47 bughunter2 yeah 21:23:03 bughunter2 just found out as well 21:24:41 Join wincent_balin [0] (n=wincent@host-091-097-059-130.ewe-ip-backbone.de) 21:24:53 bertrik we may need to have to configure the USB PHY, the part that does the low-level signalling and I think this can be found out easiest by studying the OF 21:25:14 bughunter2 afaik funman's code did configure that 21:25:24 bughunter2 or maybe just partly 21:25:26 bughunter2 not sure 21:25:39 bertrik also, in registers RXFIFOMEM there is a bit 'APU' that configures how the pull-up works (automatically or under software control) 21:25:40 bughunter2 CGU_USB = 1<<5 /* enable */ | (CLK_DIV(AS3525_PLLA_FREQ, 48000000) / 2) << 2 | 1; /* source = PLLA */ 21:25:43 bughunter2 that's from funman 21:25:54 bughunter2 oh 21:26:03 bughunter2 should I try to set that to automatic, right now? 21:26:18 bughunter2 also, I just captured the packets the OF sends to the host 21:26:29 Join Galois [0] (i=djao@efnet.math.uwaterloo.ca) 21:26:30 bertrik the problem is that the as3525 does not have this particular register ... 21:26:35 bughunter2 aw 21:27:01 bertrik CGU_USB just enables a clock towards the USB device controller and is only a really small part of initialisation I guess 21:27:07 bughunter2 yeah 21:27:34 bughunter2 it looks like the host indeed sends the first few packets, before getting packets from the device 21:27:47 bughunter2 so, we should indeed get interrupts immediately after plugging the device in 21:28:16 bertrik the device cannot really take the initiative to send packets to the host, it's done only on request of the host 21:28:24 Join AndyIL [0] (n=pasha_in@212.14.205.32) 21:28:37 bughunter2 true 21:28:47 bughunter2 so that in itself is enough to be sure we should get interrupts 21:29:57 bughunter2 bertrik: how'd you figured the RXFIFOMEM thing out btw? 21:30:15 bertrik rasher, I am thinking of committing FS#http://www.rockbox.org/tracker/task/9824 21:30:57 bertrik bughunter2, I was searching for "pull" in the datasheet (from pull-up) 21:31:16 bughunter2 how'd you know it's related to that register though? 21:31:33 rasher bertrik: sounds good. I did in fact test it on my e200 as well 21:31:38 bughunter2 I only stumble upon APU by searching for pull 21:33:12 bughunter2 bertrik: could "6.16.2.7 GPIO Pull-Up Enable (GPIO[x]_PU_EN)" be related? 21:33:41 bertrik rasher, IIRC I did test it on sansa clip too (and it worked). I'll wait for the freeze to end. 21:34:42 bertrik bughunter2, yes I think so 21:34:55 Quit bluebrother (Nick collision from services.) 21:35:00 Join bluebrother [0] (n=dom@rockbox/developer/bluebrother) 21:35:00 bughunter2 I'm not sure how to enable it, if it's possible that way.. 21:37:22 Quit domonoky (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 21:38:30 Join domonoky [0] (n=Domonoky@rockbox/developer/domonoky) 21:40:24 bughunter2 bertrik: it says 'GPIO I/O Offset 18h', but how can I write to this? should I add 18h to some base register? If so, which? 21:44:52 bertrik hm on closer inspection, those pull-ups probably have nothing to do with USB and are part of a different device module 21:45:04 bughunter2 ah 21:45:10 Quit robertoss () 21:45:21 Quit wincent (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 21:45:23 Join froggyman [0] (n=chatzill@pool-72-69-88-109.chi01.dsl-w.verizon.net) 21:45:30 bughunter2 in the comments of the linux amd5536udc driver, it says: " * Make sure that UDC is assigned to port 4 by BIOS settings (port can also be used as host port) and UOC bits PAD_EN and APU are set (should be done by BIOS init)." 21:46:34 bughunter2 uoc being usb option controller 21:48:17 Quit AndyI (Read error: 113 (No route to host)) 21:51:43 bughunter2 bertrik: I just added some code which I thought might enable APU, and now rockbox says (when connecting) "data abort at 30058e00" 21:52:33 bughunter2 probably not good 21:52:33 bughunter2 :P 21:53:13 bertrik it could be that the data abort fires when you try to access a peripheral and it doesn't respond (no peripheral registers at this address), but I'm not really an ARM expert 21:53:17 CIA-43 New commit by 03vitja (r22761): i7: pcm-telechips fix sampling rate that was about 40000 instead of 44100 ... 21:53:42 bughunter2 I added: *(unsigned long *) (0x5120000b /* UOC base */ + 0x00 /* UOCCAP */) |= (1<<15); 21:54:26 Quit matsl (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 21:55:14 Join calman_ [0] (n=caleb@dhcp-064-247-075-071.sg3.ohiou.edu) 21:55:28 bughunter2 probably should add volatile.. not that it would magically make it work 21:55:50 Part calman_ 21:56:15 AlexP er, what the hell is the first one on here: http://themes.rockbox.org/index.php?target=h300 21:56:16 Join calman_ [0] (n=caleb@dhcp-064-247-075-071.sg3.ohiou.edu) 21:56:24 * AlexP investigates with a few to deleting 21:56:28 AlexP *view 21:58:22 kugel what? 21:58:52 AlexP rasher: I just went to delete a theme - I think it has gone but I got Warning: rmdir(/home/themes/www//themes/220x176/.rockbox) [function.rmdir]: Directory not empty in /home/themes/private/themesite.class.php on line 295 21:59:19 AlexP kugel: Someone submitted cabbie v2 with the screenshot a badly cropped photograph of his screen 21:59:36 kugel yea, I saw that. I just didn't understand what you said 21:59:48 AlexP Which line? 21:59:59 kugel the two directly above 22:00 22:00:41 AlexP investigates with a view to deleting = looking at it pretty sure that I'm going to delete it 22:01:52 kugel aye, I wasn't familiar with that phrase 22:02:37 Join petur [50] (n=petur@rockbox/developer/petur) 22:02:52 rasher AlexP: that looks... wrong 22:03:04 AlexP rasher: indeed it does :) 22:04:25 rasher AlexP: It's gone.. not sure what happened :| 22:05:31 AlexP rasher: Me neither, just wanted to let you know 22:07:44 Quit billenium (Connection timed out) 22:08:10 bughunter2 bertrik: some news :).. I at least found some opcodes in the OF disassembly that match funman's code :D 22:08:49 rasher > Some person on anythingbutipod.com gave this theme as part of the firmware (rockbox) as freeware. 22:08:55 rasher That seems more disturbing 22:11:32 Quit n17ikh (Connection timed out) 22:11:53 Join wincent [0] (n=wincent@host-091-097-059-130.ewe-ip-backbone.de) 22:14:44 AlexP rasher: also, the e200v2 is showing zero themes - it should be showing the e200 ones, no? 22:16:12 Quit wincent_balin (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 22:17:25 Part Farthen 22:17:32 rasher AlexP: It should, but I have no checkwps for e200v2 22:17:55 rasher AlexP: and only themes which have passed checkwps get showed 22:17:57 AlexP ah right 22:18:09 AlexP that makes sense 22:18:20 rasher Just need scorche to install sdl so I can compile checkwps 22:19:43 Join wincent_balin [0] (n=wincent@host-091-097-059-130.ewe-ip-backbone.de) 22:22:15 Join PaulJam [0] (n=Paule@p54BECE99.dip.t-dialin.net) 22:25:19 kugel bertrik: the freeze ended 22:26:11 kugel rasher: you need sdl for checkwps? 22:27:21 rasher kugel: seems so 22:27:54 kugel does it give an error? 22:28:37 bughunter2 bertrik: will continue another day, bedtime :) 22:28:41 bughunter2 thanks for the help 22:28:47 kugel I wasn't aware of this, an I don't think it's needed 22:31:43 kugel rasher: the build system builds checkwpsm wouldn't it be useful to use that= 22:31:47 kugel ?* 22:32:00 Quit vitja ("Ex-Chat") 22:32:09 kugel it isn't uploaded yet, but I think that could be changed for the theme site 22:32:15 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 22:33:44 rasher kugel: seems needlessly complicated 22:33:57 rasher It takes what.. at most a minute to build them all? 22:34:24 Quit wincent (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 22:34:27 kugel depends on the machine 22:34:36 kugel my c2d needs more 22:35:14 kugel how old is the checkwps that's currently in use? 22:35:51 kugel if checkwps isn't always up-to-date, how do you garuantee that it's actually correct when it says "does not work with the current build"? 22:38:44 rasher it is always up to date 22:38:49 rasher except when scorche breaks everything :) 22:41:02 Join moonscapex [0] (i=www-data@giant.haxx.se) 22:41:45 Quit moonscapex (Client Quit) 22:42:31 Quit wincent_balin (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 22:47:50 Join n17ikh [0] (n=n17ikh@host-69-59-126-212.nctv.com) 22:56:00 Quit petur ("Zzzzz") 22:57:40 Join Horscht [0] (n=Horscht2@xbmc/user/horscht) 23:00 23:03:39 Join webguest90 [0] (i=www-data@giant.haxx.se) 23:04:39 Quit webguest90 (Client Quit) 23:04:48 Join webguest42 [0] (i=www-data@giant.haxx.se) 23:05:40 webguest42 Hey, does rockbox work on samsung yps3? 23:07:39 bertrik no, there's just a simple demo program, based on a rockbox bootloader 23:07:55 webguest42 crap in a biscuit. 23:08:07 webguest42 Thanks anyway. 23:09:06 webguest42 Is there any way I could contact the rockbox crew and request that? 23:10:09 TheSeven webguest42: I don't think you need to, and you've more-or-less already done it hereby 23:10:20 webguest42 Alright 23:10:27 webguest42 Thanks. 23:10:29 Join casainho [0] (n=chatzill@87-196-232-143.net.novis.pt) 23:10:31 TheSeven bertrik: are you just working on the meizus or is the yps3 also yours? 23:10:52 casainho hello Rockbox hackers :-) 23:10:58 webguest42 I guess I'll wait. 23:11:03 webguest42 Bye now. 23:11:12 Quit bubsy ("I'll be back somewhere in time") 23:11:22 Quit webguest42 ("CGI:IRC (EOF)") 23:11:28 Quit DarkDefender (Remote closed the connection) 23:12:03 casainho I would like to know if Rockbox already have USB support? 23:12:18 TheSeven casainho: for which target? 23:12:18 Quit Galois (Remote closed the connection) 23:12:29 Join Galois [0] (i=djao@efnet.math.uwaterloo.ca) 23:12:43 Join webguest42 [0] (i=www-data@giant.haxx.se) 23:12:51 casainho well, I am looking for adapt on some costum hardware like this one: http://cgi.ebay.com/mini2440-S3C2440-ARM9-Board-3-5-TFT-LCD-Touch-Screen_W0QQitemZ120468760959QQcmdZViewItemQQptZLH_DefaultDomain_0?hash=item1c0c7f697f&_trksid=p3286.c0.m14 23:12:56 Quit webguest42 (Client Quit) 23:13:04 AlexP casainho: Yes, in general 23:13:26 AlexP casainho: There is a USB stack, but of course drivers for individual hardware is needed 23:13:28 AlexP *are 23:13:30 casainho but would Rockbox work as a USB Host? 23:14:01 casainho so, the Rockbox USB Stack is working now on Sansa E200, for example? 23:14:56 casainho and the same question goes for Ethernet connection. I would like to know If Rockbox would play files over Ethernet, or something like that 23:15:28 AlexP USB host, no 23:15:53 AlexP The e200 uses the Rockbox USB stack for UMS, yes 23:16:01 AlexP And Rockbox has no networking stack 23:16:26 TheSeven casainho: wow, this is a really cool device for that price! 23:16:57 casainho AlexP: ok, thanks :-) 23:17:45 casainho TheSeven: yes, looks like it is :-) there are all the schematics and datasheets available on product donwload page: http://www.friendlyarm.net/downloads 23:18:53 casainho TheSeven: one developer already bought that hardware and I am looking if I would buy also an join, for porting Rockbox for it: http://lyre.sourceforge.net/?q=content/getting-started 23:25:03 kugel casainho: yet again a hardware change? 23:26:11 kugel IIRC rockbox is mostly complete for s3c2440. The Gigabeat F and X use that SoC 23:26:20 casainho kugel: yes... we are still waiting for the ARMopendous-DAP boards, but is difficult, the guy designing the boards have problems with it. Now another person got near the project and bought that hardware, to port Rockbox for it. 23:26:34 casainho kugel: oh, nice to know :-) 23:27:21 domonoky that hardware really looks nice. and it already contains everything needed. 23:27:22 Join tarbo [0] (n=me@unaffiliated/tarbo) 23:27:33 casainho and costs$85 :-) 23:27:36 Join bubsy [0] (n=bubsy@94.139.72.137) 23:28:17 casainho would be nice to have a kind of Rockbox hardware for having at home, car? −− because that hardware is not portable... 23:29:05 Part malouin 23:29:26 Join wincent_balin [0] (n=wincent@host-091-097-059-130.ewe-ip-backbone.de) 23:29:31 Quit wincent_balin (Remote closed the connection) 23:30:07 Join wincent [0] (n=wincent@host-091-097-059-130.ewe-ip-backbone.de) 23:30:16 Join MG_Man [0] (n=MGMan@11.208.101.97.cfl.res.rr.com) 23:31:35 kugel it has vga and ethernet connectors. that already exceedes the limites of Rockbox. but one could surely make funny experiments with it 23:32:15 domonoky kugel: yes, rockbox would surely not use all features. but it has everything needed for a audio player (and more) 23:32:38 Bagder I figure there's a reason the screen on that device shows it running android... 23:33:07 domonoky ethernet shouldnt be too complicated, there is this nice lwip stack.. you only need a hardware driver. 23:33:20 Quit bluebrother ("leaving") 23:33:40 Bagder well, and probably some apps that use the network ;-) 23:33:55 domonoky true :-) 23:34:02 kugel and viruses, rootkits and the like :p 23:34:56 kugel "We have lan! We cannot prove it since we have no apps, but we're quite surely it's working" :) 23:35:05 kugel sure* 23:35:37 casainho but, would people be interested in using such hardware running Rockbox? (or should I wait for a TRUE open hardware like the ARMopendous DAP?? http://code.google.com/p/armopendous/ ) 23:35:39 kugel well, with a small stack we should at least be able to respond to pings 23:36:09 kugel we're interesting in anything that potentially runs our os :) 23:36:49 kugel but getting rockbox run on that seems like a no brainer actually 23:36:57 Join wincent_balin [0] (n=wincent@host-091-097-059-130.ewe-ip-backbone.de) 23:38:10 domonoky the only thing missing on this board for perfect home/car usage is a ata-port to connect a big-big storage. 23:38:44 TheSeven domonoky: bitbanging GPIOs? :-P 23:38:59 Bagder domonoky: attach a 2TB usb-disk 23:39:09 TheSeven and you can always use USB-to-SATA adapters of course 23:39:13 kugel or a NAS via lan :) 23:39:22 domonoky Bagder: if you write the usb-host stack, shure :-) 23:39:30 TheSeven "wow! we found an application for the LAN port!" 23:39:51 TheSeven domonoky: USB host for just one mass storage device isn't too hard 23:39:55 Bagder mass-storage shouldn't be too hard 23:40:01 domonoky Bagder: did you see the new rbutil binarys to move to the download server ? 23:40:11 TheSeven as soon as there are multiple devices things start to get tricky 23:40:23 casainho ok - thanks for all ideas ;-) 23:40:26 kugel "(5) Bitmap to C Language transfer tool " < BMP2RB ? 23:40:36 Bagder domonoky: oh, I noticed but I forgot. Can I have the url again? 23:41:02 Quit merbanan (Read error: 145 (Connection timed out)) 23:41:12 casainho I just don't know if the audio DAC IC used on that board have a good quality... (at least so good as a "normal" DAP) 23:41:26 domonoky http://www.retrospektiwe.de/rbutilqt-v1.2.3.dmg and http://www.alice-dsl.net/dominik.riebeling/rockbox/ 23:41:28 kugel it looks like a nice toy I admit 23:42:59 domonoky with this toy, you could also just run the sim on linux, then the drivers (usb, ethernet etc) are free :-) 23:43:37 kugel they ship some nice cloned software with it 23:43:46 Bagder bluebrother's site is fast and fine, 4309k took a full second to transfer ;-) 23:44:41 Bagder our new server's 100mbit connection is nice 23:44:52 Join GeekShadow [0] (n=Antoine@reactos/tester/GeekShadow) 23:45:27 kugel Bagder: can I send you some bootloaders while you're at it? 23:45:39 Bagder sure 23:49:38 Join safetydan [0] (n=deverton@rockbox/developer/safetydan) 23:51:21 Quit casainho ("ChatZilla 0.9.85 [Firefox 3.0.14/2009090216]") 23:51:47 Join lennyk [0] (n=lennyk@dynamic2-254-138.usc.edu) 23:52:00 Quit MG_Man ("...GOT AWAY SAFELY!") 23:52:17 Quit wincent (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 23:56:49 Quit robin0800 (Remote closed the connection) 23:58:18 Join BHSPitLappy [0] (n=BHSPitLa@unaffiliated/bhspitmonkey)