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01:05:24 | saratoga | playing with the sim some more, it seems like the codec will occasionally be reloaded during normal track changes (end of track, etc), and that these cause a lot of the crashes on the clip |
01:07:32 | kugel | most crashes are during tracks? |
01:08:46 | saratoga | are they? |
01:08:55 | saratoga | i think i've noticed both |
01:12:21 | saratoga | i think the ones i see on the sim are nearly all during track load |
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01:28:36 | kugel | saratoga: from just listening to the bug, I never connected it to track change, I get them during tracks mostly yes |
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01:31:14 | CIA-43 | New commit by kugel (r22741): Fix the statusbar to redraw after changing colors in the color picker screen. ... |
01:32:17 | kugel | we should branch for 3.4 in the next few hours, so that we get at least a few days for testing the RC builds (if we get some). I'll do it after I get up unless someone beats me to it |
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01:35:07 | saratoga | kugel: its possible the crash i'm pursuing is artificial due to the small buffer i'm using |
01:35:34 | saratoga | or at least that it occurs more regularly then on the clip |
01:37:56 | CIA-43 | New commit by kugel (r22742): And also redraw the statusbar after resetting the colors. |
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01:39:57 | saratoga | how do I save a playlist on the clip? |
01:40:09 | saratoga | when i get to the keyboard screen i can't find a way to exit |
01:42:03 | saratoga | ok i believe i've tried every key combination |
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01:42:50 | kugel | saratoga: very possible that there is none |
01:43:11 | saratoga | what is BUTTON_REPEAT? |
01:43:25 | saratoga | keymaps says BUTTON_SELECT|BUTTON_REPEAT |
01:43:47 | pixelma | a long button press |
01:43:57 | saratoga | bah |
01:44:02 | pixelma | (of select) |
01:44:48 | CIA-43 | New commit by Domonoky (r22743): rbutil: mark e200v2 and fuze as unstable. |
01:44:55 | pixelma | what's bah about that? |
01:44:57 | saratoga | kugel: i think you're right about this track change bug, while it seems to be a problem on the sim, i just flipped back and forth between wma, mp3 and aac about a hundred times without encountering it |
01:45:07 | saratoga | each one of those should have forced a codec rebuffer |
01:46:08 | kugel | so you were on the wrong route? |
01:47:03 | saratoga | well its definately a bug i'm just not sure how much it really matters |
01:47:39 | saratoga | i suppose the next thing to try is logf on the real clip and see what its doing |
01:47:56 | saratoga | do you know if logf slows the system down a lot? |
01:48:23 | saratoga | i'd imagine its pretty cheap on flash targets, but what i'd really like to do is print out essentially the entire call history of the playback thread |
01:48:34 | saratoga | since it takes so long to encounter a deadlock |
01:49:33 | kugel | it doesn't really slow things down |
01:50:45 | kugel | it doesn't hit the disk at all until you actually choose to dump it |
01:51:51 | saratoga | it doesn't dump on spinup? |
01:52:27 | kugel | no |
01:53:00 | kugel | but it decreases the audio buffer a bit more, I think logf takes some 10-20k binsize/ram |
01:54:22 | saratoga | well if i want to generate say a 100KB of log output a minute |
01:54:40 | saratoga | will it just overwrite stuff? |
01:55:06 | Torne | yes, it's jsut a ring buffer |
01:55:58 | domonoky | you would need logf-over usb for that. but unfortunatly we still dont have usb on AMS :-/ |
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02:04:57 | kugel | pixelma: I fixed your color picker bug |
02:05:30 | saratoga | theres no way to have it dump to disk? |
02:05:35 | kugel | domonoky: no problem since the problem triggers easily on all targets |
02:05:59 | saratoga | FS #9253 - logf file output patch. |
02:06:05 | kugel | just decrease to audio buffer to a "clip'ish" level |
02:07:04 | domonoky | kugel: then trying it on a target with usb-serial and logf-over-usb would probably help :-) |
02:07:42 | domonoky | and putting many logf calls into playback/buffering of course. |
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02:09:20 | saratoga | for a flash target i don't see why logf over usb is any better then logf to disk |
02:09:46 | saratoga | the clip rebuffers every other second anyway, can't hurt to also dump a couple KB of text to the disk at teh same time |
02:09:50 | kugel | that's a useful idea actually, with logf over usb it should be possible to catch the exact moment it crashes with a call trace |
02:10:17 | saratoga | what do you mean call trace? doesn't it just send text? |
02:10:29 | kugel | yes, but you have 2 screens :9 |
02:10:54 | kugel | I imagine you would miss the moment until you get into the logf screen or being able to view the dump |
02:11:39 | kugel | since it doesn't freeze, I'd think there are many more calls which pollute the logf after the actual playback crash there |
02:12:02 | saratoga | well my plan was to use that patch to dump it to disk continuously |
02:12:27 | saratoga | theres actually very little output when it deadlocks, just 2x a second or so a queue message |
02:12:59 | domonoky | there are so many patches in our tracker, we should make a clean-up week after the release.. :-) |
02:13:19 | kugel | domonoky: I remember we planned that for 2-3 weeks after the devcon actually |
02:13:25 | saratoga | this is another Uchida patch |
02:13:39 | saratoga | hes got ~55 open ones on the tracker |
02:13:49 | saratoga | but its impossible to communicate with him |
02:14:21 | domonoky | there are 2 of these "japanese sounding" people with many patches in the tracker. we should try to care a bit about those patches :-) |
02:14:52 | kugel | who's the other one? |
02:15:09 | saratoga | i think the other one got svn |
02:15:10 | domonoky | Teruaki Kawashima |
02:15:23 | kugel | saratoga: has anyone looked at his WAV patches? They seem to add many (probably unpopular) codecs |
02:15:26 | saratoga | yeah teru has svn |
02:15:38 | kugel | yep |
02:15:51 | saratoga | kugel: i skimmed them and they looked useful, just i couldn't find the time or interest to do anything with them |
02:16:05 | saratoga | and it didn't help that Uchida didn't return my emails |
02:16:15 | domonoky | if he has svn access, i wonder why there are still so many patches from him in the tracker.. :-) |
02:16:38 | kugel | I have a lot open tasks too |
02:16:49 | saratoga | hes been slowly commiting them |
02:16:56 | saratoga | teru has actually done a lot of clean up in the last couple months |
02:17:02 | saratoga | mostly minor things that no one noticed though |
02:17:14 | domonoky | ah, didnt notice :-) |
02:17:37 | saratoga | i'm half tempted to have an email translated in japanese and send it to him |
02:17:54 | saratoga | but since he didn't even reply i'm not sure the email he gave is even any good |
02:18:22 | domonoky | about the pcm patches: some codec guy should look overthem, and if their are sound, just commit them... codecs are rockbox core business :-) |
02:18:45 | saratoga | bug linuxstb once he has the nano2g working |
02:19:00 | saratoga | i honestly don't understand the codecs that well, just the insides of them |
02:19:08 | saratoga | or maybe mt if hes bored |
02:19:24 | domonoky | :-) |
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02:20:05 | kugel | saratoga: forget mt, they're not in a rm container :D |
02:20:24 | saratoga | speaking of which we should really find him a clipv2 or something and send it to him |
02:20:42 | kugel | who? |
02:20:43 | saratoga | i think he was thinking of trying to work on his old M200 |
02:20:45 | saratoga | mt |
02:21:09 | kugel | I haven't seen him lately, where's he gone? |
02:21:23 | saratoga | hes been around |
02:21:45 | saratoga | he said he wanted to work on hardware next in spite of my gentle suggestion that wma pro still didn't work with rockbox |
02:22:03 | * | domonoky thinks if mt want a new player to play. the rockbox fund should get him one.. |
02:22:59 | saratoga | yeah we're getting some google money for him right? |
02:23:15 | kugel | on the other hand, he'll be given $2500 buy a whole bunch of targets :) |
02:23:40 | saratoga | apparenlty sandisk doesn't sell AMS devices in his country though |
02:23:50 | domonoky | but he deserves it for his super gsoc expirience. :-) |
02:23:52 | kugel | really? |
02:24:03 | kugel | (that was for saratoga) |
02:24:17 | domonoky | one more arugemt to just send him one :-) |
02:24:29 | saratoga | i think its pretty common, last I heard the new Zune wasn't even going to be sold in the EU, let alone Egypt |
02:24:50 | kugel | the zune is special, that's USA only |
02:25:20 | kugel | but I can imagine they don't sell the latest high tech toys in africa |
02:26:31 | moos | lots of fake ones unfortunatly... |
02:26:50 | GodEater | Zagor: (for the logs) I wanted qwebirc installed on a rockbox server because anything with "webchat" in the title is blocked by the RBS proxy server. So freenode's is no use to me. |
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02:27:53 | domonoky | GodEater: create a tunnel ? :-) |
02:28:55 | saratoga | how much is the clip+ in the EU? might make a nice present |
02:30:07 | domonoky | amazon.de has it for ~€35 (2gig) or ~60€ for 8gig |
02:31:09 | saratoga | the 8GB is ripoff given the price of uSD |
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02:35:38 | pixelma | it's more like 55€, not a great difference... - and by the way - all the offers state that the device will only available from October 10th. But I think you can find different prices in other countries of the EU and maybe other dates of availability |
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02:36:21 | pixelma | for the Clip+ and amazon.de |
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02:39:09 | GodEater | the proxy there is very clever at spotting the traffic it's passing |
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04:45:46 | GreatBeaver | i was just wondering because diskeeper takes way too long |
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04:50:32 | GreatBeaver | 3 files out of 6000 hehe |
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11:05:37 | * | n1s wonders if anyone with an ipod video could reproduce fs#10610, not a lot of detail in that report. Well any 3G or newer ipod should do i guess, they all have the same rtc |
11:12:46 | bluebrother | n1s: an Ipod mini too? |
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11:15:34 | n1s | bluebrother: yes, it has the same rtc as the video |
11:15:53 | bluebrother | well, I can't see any problem on my mini with current svn |
11:16:04 | n1s | i see no reason for this bug to hit only one player using that driver |
11:16:10 | n1s | bluebrother: thanks fro testing |
11:16:37 | n1s | also such an obvious thing should have been reported ages ago |
11:16:44 | * | bluebrother thinks we should consider closing such tasks immediately. If reporters don't take the time to follow our guidelines and put basic information in, why should we? |
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11:18:41 | rasher | bluebrother: because they might have reported an actual bug that we do want fixed? |
11:19:56 | bluebrother | rasher: I don't fear that we will loose bugs ... software always contains enough of them |
11:22:09 | rasher | That doesn't mean they'll get reported |
11:23:52 | * | bluebrother doesn't want bugs to get fixed, he wants bugs to not be present :) |
11:26:48 | * | bluebrother wonders how hard it would be to have the task description field prefilled with some headlines |
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12:08:00 | kugel | Bagder: I have images now, for fuze and yh925 |
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12:10:57 | kugel | I assume the current build page is in SVN too? |
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12:42:56 | * | kugel can't manage to make the page on windows |
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13:15:42 | kugel | hrm |
13:15:54 | kugel | www/ doesn't seem to be up-to-date |
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13:35:31 | gapan | hi! I have read a report that rockbox runs on a 160GB ipod classic. I thought they couldn't be supported. Was any work done on those? |
13:36:54 | kugel | you read lies |
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13:37:42 | gapan | well, I know that guy that reported that (online) and he's not inclined to lie |
13:37:49 | AlexP | He is |
13:38:10 | AlexP | Perhaps the people that make Rockbox might know? Oh wait, that's us |
13:38:21 | gapan | I know :D |
13:38:35 | gapan | the report is here: http://www.retromaniax.gr/vb/showpost.php?p=174841&postcount=6 |
13:38:39 | gapan | unfortunately in greek :D |
13:38:42 | AlexP | linux4nano have found an exploit that could potentially be used, but it is a long way from anything useable |
13:38:48 | AlexP | gapan: That report is wrong |
13:38:55 | AlexP | No matter what language it is in |
13:39:07 | gapan | he says he tried the ipod60/80 installation files |
13:39:14 | gapan | 1st time he tried it failed |
13:39:15 | AlexP | Which is rubbish |
13:39:21 | AlexP | IT DOES NOT WORK |
13:39:37 | AlexP | He is talking utter utter bollocks |
13:40:13 | gapan | ok |
13:40:45 | AlexP | As I say, linux4nano have found an exploit, but nobody has even started to do anything about it. Even if they eventually do, it will not use the files for any other ipod as the hardware is different. |
13:41:53 | gapan | he says that the 2nd time he tried the installation started but failed with errors |
13:42:02 | gapan | and then when he rebooted it just worked! |
13:42:06 | AlexP | He is lying |
13:42:13 | gapan | I'll convey that to him :D |
13:42:19 | AlexP | For the last time, IT DOESN'T WORK, IT CANNOT WORK |
13:42:30 | gapan | yep, got it, thanks :) |
13:42:34 | AlexP | Yes, perhaps you could post so that others don't get confused |
13:43:44 | AlexP | Maybe he is just confused and has a supported ipod with a bigger disk? Unlikely I guess |
13:44:08 | gapan | is there a supported ipod with a 160GB HD? |
13:44:12 | AlexP | No |
13:44:17 | gapan | so no |
13:44:28 | AlexP | But you *could* change the disk for a bigger one in one of the supported ipods |
13:44:42 | AlexP | Which is what I meant |
13:45:14 | gapan | I don't think he did that |
13:45:35 | AlexP | So we get back to him just not having done what he said he did :) |
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13:49:46 | AlexP | gapan: Sorry to have "shouted" at you, I was just being very clear :) |
13:53:16 | gapan | AlexP: no problem :) |
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13:56:41 | kugel | are we going to have 3.4 for unstable devices? |
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13:59:27 | AlexP | interestiung question |
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13:59:46 | AlexP | I *think* we said that we would just release stable, but support unstable |
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14:00:19 | AlexP | To my mind a release should be more "complete" - rbutil, manual, more of the features etc. |
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14:05:50 | kugel | in my mind a release is just a stable'fied snapshot of the source, and there's no real reason to not have it running on other ports |
14:06:22 | kugel | even users of unstable ports may which to run the most stable rockbox :) |
14:06:26 | kugel | wish* |
14:06:57 | AlexP | probably less though as it is likely to be changing at a faster rate |
14:07:41 | kugel | who's going to make the release zips? |
14:07:45 | AlexP | maybe we could do something like have 3.4 - preliminary support for (insert unstable targets here) |
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14:30:32 | bipak | hi |
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14:32:15 | bipak | i have an ihp120 with a very old bootloader (2006). you could boot into the original firmware by pressing play on the remote control. unfortunately i can't find my remote at the moment. is there any other way to boot into it? |
14:35:08 | pixelma | there is a description on how to do this in our manual, I don't know though if this also applies to the old bootloader (but you can always try), I don't even have an H120 |
14:35:39 | AlexP | record |
14:35:56 | AlexP | I think that was there on most bootloaders |
14:35:59 | bipak | oh yeah! |
14:36:26 | AlexP | and it should be in the manual (I'll just check) |
14:36:37 | bipak | thanks, pressing play while holding record down works :) |
14:36:58 | AlexP | yep - http://download.rockbox.org/daily/manual/rockbox-h100/rockbox-buildch3.html#x5-260003.1.3 |
14:39:39 | bipak | new rockbox is running :D |
14:39:47 | bipak | thanks alot for this great firmware |
14:39:57 | AlexP | you are welcome :) |
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14:50:23 | bipak | is there any lowcost player you can suggest? |
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15:08:49 | kugel | AlexP: I was wondering if FS #10553 can go in before 3.4? |
15:09:05 | kugel | it doesn't look like, does it? |
15:09:29 | AlexP | kugel: I'll have a look this afternoon |
15:09:46 | AlexP | kugel: But I don't think it is hugely important - we don't have a release manual |
15:10:01 | AlexP | anyway, we have the week of the branch |
15:10:19 | kugel | no week, 3 days |
15:10:24 | kugel | and we have a release branch |
15:10:32 | kugel | release manual * |
15:11:00 | AlexP | Where do you get that from? |
15:11:29 | AlexP | ah, found it |
15:11:35 | AlexP | I never knew about that :) |
15:11:36 | kugel | http://www.rockbox.org/download/byhand.cgi |
15:11:54 | AlexP | OK, well I have a look this afternoon anyway |
15:13:19 | kugel | which reminds me, I wanted to document the playlist viewer feature :S |
15:13:25 | * | kugel totally forgot about that |
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15:19:44 | pixelma | kugel: if you want more up-to-date translations maybe send a call out on the ml, this seems to have helped in previous releases |
15:19:57 | kugel | it helped yes |
15:20:20 | kugel | but I just branched. the branch phase is really not indented to be the translation phase |
15:21:21 | pixelma | says who? I know it's a bit harder because you have to update both branches, but I remember having done so before |
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15:26:31 | kugel | well, I'm not going to encourage this. Release branches should be left untouched ideally after the initial branch happened |
15:28:32 | pixelma | I think it's ok for translations as it's very unlikely to break something there just making the language support better |
15:29:05 | bluebrother | what's the point of a branch if you don't change it? |
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15:30:49 | kugel | it's not a "cool-new-feature" branch, it's a release branch. any commits should be avoided to not risk its stability |
15:31:28 | kugel | I thought that would be clear after 3 releases of this kind |
15:31:34 | bluebrother | "release branch" doesn't mean "no commits branch". It's just a "fixes only" branch. |
15:31:36 | kugel | 4 even |
15:31:57 | kugel | we have the freeze phase for "fixes only" |
15:32:02 | bluebrother | kugel: what's the point of this stupid remark? |
15:32:42 | bluebrother | if you don't want to change a branch at all you can just write down the revision you'd have branched otherwise and tag that instead of doing a branch at all. |
15:33:02 | bluebrother | missing strings in a translation is something that is part of fixing. |
15:33:13 | * | bluebrother shakes head |
15:33:18 | * | kugel too |
15:34:12 | bluebrother | I've done more than 4 releases in the last couple of years. It just happened to not be Rockbox releases. |
15:34:20 | bluebrother | so stop the crap. |
15:34:31 | kugel | I'm not going to discuss it further. not my problem you missed how we did the previous releases |
15:34:32 | pixelma | the branch also allows you to e.g. disable broken features that you don't want to disable in the main code in the hope that it'll serve as a reminder to fix it, e.g. metronome |
15:35:15 | kugel | +if |
15:35:21 | bluebrother | kugel: would you *please* stop this nonsense? Why on earth do you think I missed how the last releases were done? |
15:36:10 | bluebrother | pixelma: disabling broken features in a branch is changing the precious branch! How dare we did that in the past! |
15:36:14 | domonoky | kugel: if you look into the history, you will see that we have done changes on the release branches.. |
15:37:09 | Bagder | bug fixes done from now until the release are typically done in both branches |
15:37:19 | Bagder | and the release branch usually gets "cleanups" for the release |
15:37:30 | pixelma | I don't like that style of discussion |
15:37:46 | bluebrother | pixelma: me neither. |
15:37:55 | Llorean | The whole point of the branch is for it to receive minimal changes that are very safe. Language changes are pretty darn safe. |
15:38:30 | Bagder | and if we want to disable stuff in the release we don't do in trunk, that's also perfectly fine |
15:38:58 | Llorean | Yes, disabling things are usually safer than trying to fix them at the last moment, so that fits into the whole safe changes thing. :) |
15:39:08 | Llorean | But "not touching it at all" defeats the purpose of even having a branch. |
15:39:19 | bluebrother | <sarcasm>That's a change in the precious branch!</sarcasm> |
15:39:43 | kugel | yes, disabling features that aren't working sufficiently and release stuff like the version number, that's what the branch is for. urgent last minute fixes are OK too |
15:39:46 | Llorean | Code should be as hands off as possible, which just means "don't change it unless there's a very good reason" but we had this discussion around 3.0 or 3.1 I think where we decided languages are pretty much fine. |
15:40:10 | Llorean | Well, not such a discussion then. |
15:40:21 | Llorean | Just a sort of "yeah, sure, sounds good" couple of statements. |
15:40:45 | kugel | translations are pretty safe, but I'm not going to encourage having the branch phase as translation phase (i.e. I won't send any "call for translator" mail) |
15:41:15 | aidy | why not |
15:41:41 | aidy | translation fixes aren't new translations anyway |
15:41:42 | bluebrother | so I missed how we did releases in the past simply because I don't have a problem with calling translators during the release branch phase? *great!* |
15:42:01 | * | bluebrother is *really* impressed by this logic |
15:42:01 | Llorean | That doesn't encourage it as being the "translation phase" that encourages getting the translation done before the release even though we got it started late. |
15:42:33 | domonoky | the call for translators still should get out.. rasher thats your job ! :-) |
15:43:13 | * | rasher doesn't see the point of this |
15:43:27 | rasher | That is, differentiating between the freeze and branch phase for translations |
15:44:00 | domonoky | true, we just want fine translations before we release, doesnt matter when they get in... |
15:44:26 | rasher | I do think it's a bit late now though, possibly |
15:44:30 | CIA-43 | New commit by Domonoky (r22749): rbutil: bump version in preparation for release. |
15:44:44 | domonoky | rasher: better late, then never :-) |
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15:44:57 | pixelma | yes, seems we are all a bit release tired... ;) |
15:45:09 | rasher | Think it was just bad timing |
15:45:38 | pixelma | the whole release schedule suffers from being "a bit late" |
15:47:23 | CIA-43 | New commit by Domonoky (r22750): tag rbutil 1.2.3 release. |
15:48:37 | domonoky | bluebrother: rbutil release tag is ready. time to build some binarys :-) |
15:48:54 | bluebrother | domonoky: did I miss something? Did we decide to tag *now*? |
15:49:14 | kugel | I haven't followed it closely, what's the status of the unstable ports in rbutil? |
15:49:53 | domonoky | i asked yesterday if there is anything against releaseing this weekend. the only thing was the marking of unstable (which is done) |
15:50:02 | kugel | and, can you use it to install it on fuze/e200v2 and samsungs (they're supposed to have rbutil support)? |
15:50:33 | domonoky | kugel: only fuze/e200v2 is enabled in rbutil. |
15:50:45 | kugel | I guess you can't install on the samsungs, no bootloaders on the download server |
15:51:04 | kugel | I was about to send Bagder some these days |
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15:56:29 | domonoky | kugel: the samsungs are not even in the unstable category... so way to early for rbutil :-) |
15:56:44 | * | bluebrother would have tried to update the german rbutil translation, but as we needed to tag immediately ... :/ |
15:56:55 | kugel | domonoky: actually I looked at putting those into the category today |
15:57:12 | kugel | but www/ doesn't contain the latest website (as I mentioned earlier) |
15:57:32 | domonoky | bluebrother: your chance to say this was yesterday :-) but if you want, we can move the tag. |
15:57:41 | bluebrother | nah. |
15:58:23 | bluebrother | you didn't tell that you are going to tag during the mid of the day, and that you are going to do it. It was only talk about considering a release ... |
15:58:32 | guest101 | hi. i just installed rockbox, but i can't seem to find where to you enable time stretch. i can't find it in the sound settings. any help? |
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15:59:08 | kugel | Bagder: but you'll still be doing th zips? |
15:59:12 | domonoky | guest101: take a look at the manual ? |
15:59:17 | Bagder | I don't know |
15:59:25 | Llorean | Could we maybe schedule an automated email for the second of the appropriate months announcing the freezes on the 9th (1 week later) to both serve as a reminder for us, and a general announcement, that it's release time? |
15:59:29 | kugel | (re: "personally I'm just in the bg for this release") |
15:59:42 | Bagder | I think I'll manage to make them |
15:59:54 | Llorean | Didn't someone else make the .zips last time? |
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16:00:02 | kugel | Bagder: do you have an idea why www/ is outdated? |
16:00:17 | Bagder | because zagor edited the files locally I assume |
16:00:21 | pixelma | guest101: which player do you use? |
16:00:26 | guest101 | domonoky: already read the manual.. it's under sound settings, but i can't find it there. |
16:00:36 | guest101 | pixelma: ipod 5.5 |
16:00:41 | pixelma | guest101: and which revision (build)? |
16:00:45 | kugel | I wanted to put the samsungs into unstable, but there's little point as of now |
16:00:51 | Bagder | yeah, anyone can build the zips, that's why we have the zip building scripts in svn |
16:03:30 | guest101 | pixelma: i just run the rockbox installer tool.. how do you know which build you have? |
16:03:56 | kugel | guest101: the latest release (3.3) probably which doesn't have timestretch |
16:04:51 | guest101 | kugel: oh i guess that's it. what release has time stretch? i want to speed up playback without affecting pitch for audiobooks. |
16:04:55 | domonoky | guest101: use the "Install Rockbox" button in rbutil, and select latest build. then you should have timestretch |
16:05:13 | kugel | or you wait a few days for 3.4 :) |
16:05:30 | bluebrother | guest101: Rockbox Utility does tell you which build its going to install. Afterwards, check System / Rockbox Info (surprise surprise! ;-) |
16:06:04 | bluebrother | hmm, the beast battery calculation is great. 91%, 127h :) |
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16:06:47 | guest101 | bluebrother: oh ok. i get it now. thanks for all the help you guys! |
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16:12:39 | * | pixelma wonders if this lack of enthusiasm about the release is a sign that a 3-months release cycle is a bit short |
16:14:04 | kugel | possibly, I don't like that 3-month cycle |
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16:21:03 | Llorean | I think a longer cycle isn't really going to make remembering to do it easier, though. |
16:22:27 | n1s | i think a longer cycle would be better |
16:22:39 | Llorean | It would better accomplish what? |
16:22:46 | * | domonoky thinks we just need to automate the release thing more.. |
16:23:28 | Llorean | I mean, a longer cycle's fine if it meets the goals determined by releasing, but you should figure out what those are first, then fit your release cycle around it. |
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16:23:45 | n1s | but more importantly we need someone to step up and suggest a schedule, do branching, send mails etc to get the ball rolling, something Bagder has done previously |
16:24:04 | domonoky | especially automated reminder mails might be a good thing. |
16:24:13 | Bagder | I think so too, I don't think prolonging the periods will make anything better |
16:24:18 | n1s | Llorean: i think it would help build up more enthusiasm for a release |
16:24:37 | * | n1s see no point in automated mails |
16:24:40 | Bagder | the problem is that us devs don't really have any benefits from releases |
16:24:56 | Bagder | other than getting users more up to speed with what's on trunk |
16:25:09 | n1s | the tracker reminder mails go directly in the spam dir... |
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16:26:52 | domonoky | n1s: its your fault to let them go into the spam dir. automated mails might help so we dont forget we are near release time. |
16:27:37 | Llorean | I think the problem was more "lack of memory" than "lack of enthusiasm". |
16:28:00 | n1s | domonoky: yes, it's my fault because i set up a filter do do that |
16:28:04 | Llorean | Well, for the most part. Apparently the one person who did remember of those of you who're active here wasn't enthusiastic, so chose not to remind you guys. |
16:28:54 | Llorean | But I mean, any of you can choose not to participate whether it's a person or an email who reminds you, so I don't think email reminders are any worse than an active person. |
16:29:13 | Llorean | As long as you don't intentionally choose to filter out release emails (which you could do just by trashing any personal emails about the release too, anyway). |
16:29:35 | Llorean | But again - what's the goal with the release? |
16:30:12 | Llorean | Right now at 3 months it's short enough that we can say to people "just roll back to the release for now" when there's a bug around, knowing they usually won't lose but one or two significant features. |
16:30:21 | Llorean | What's the proposed longer time frame? |
16:31:11 | n1s | i think something like twice a year would be better |
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16:32:17 | * | domonoky thinks that at devcon, we sayed to stay with the 3month cycle.. ( or at least we try to:-) ) |
16:34:19 | kugel | yea, I brought that up |
16:35:18 | * | domonoky thinks that with automated reminders, and selecting a "release manager" for every release, we should be able to orgnaise this in a good way. |
16:36:20 | Llorean | domonoky: See if you can get a volunteer when 3.4 comes out for a 3.5 RM, that way you don't have to remember to pick one later. :) |
16:37:49 | domonoky | maybe we should let "rsb" select the RM, then rsb has something todo :-) |
16:38:32 | Llorean | Well, you need more than one volunteer before a decision needs to be made anyway |
16:38:37 | Llorean | You can't really just assign someone the job. |
16:38:49 | domonoky | yes, just joking... |
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16:39:52 | Llorean | Well, just wanted to say that since people keep saying "pick an RM" but you don't even have a single volunteer yet. :) |
16:39:53 | domonoky | we should just ask shortly before the release, who wants to volunteer to organise the next release... maybe give some bonus for this person ? (a rockbox release manager shirt for example) |
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16:41:22 | Llorean | T-shirts are always a fun incentive. |
16:41:38 | bluebrother | the release dates might be a bit of a problem ... next release would be almost on christmas. |
16:42:12 | bluebrother | shifting it two weeks earlier (or a month later) might be a good thing, at least for 3.5 |
16:42:15 | Llorean | We could do three releases a year. Six months, three months, three months. So we skip over Christmas, and give everyone a break? |
16:42:31 | domonoky | people even mentor a student for the whole summer for a shirt, so a "Rockbox 3.4 Release Manager" Shirt should be a good incentive :-) |
16:43:25 | domonoky | Bagder: can you please move this: http://www.retrospektiwe.de/rbutilqt-v1.2.3.dmg to the download server ? |
16:44:07 | * | bluebrother could consider trying to do some organizational work for the next release, but no idea about internet connectivity during christmas |
16:44:16 | bluebrother | plus, there's 26c3 after christmas. |
16:44:43 | domonoky | lets have a release party at 26c3 :-) |
16:44:57 | bluebrother | domonoky: you coming? It was much fun last year |
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16:48:10 | fml | Hello. I'm trying to apply a patch that I created myself, but I get the following error: "patch: **** malformed patch at line xx" How can this be? And what can I do to avoid this? |
16:48:29 | * | bluebrother wonders if there's something similar to ldd for windows binaries, i.e. some command line version of depends.exe |
16:48:34 | fml | It's the latest patch from FS #8768 |
16:49:12 | domonoky | bluebrother: try depends.exe /c :-) |
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16:55:55 | AlexP | With viewports, if you define x and y and leave the width and height blank it'll stretch from the x,y to fill the rest of the screen right? |
16:56:09 | * | AlexP is still bashing FS #10553 into shape |
16:56:16 | bluebrother | domonoky: nice, but not exactly what I'm looking for. Might be useable enough though. |
16:59:31 | CIA-43 | New commit by bluebrother (r22751): Fix short version of qmake command option. Add display of building time. |
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17:00:03 | bluebrother | Bagder: rbutil 1.2.3 w32 and linux binaries at http://www.alice-dsl.net/dominik.riebeling/rockbox/. Can you move them? |
17:06:07 | pamaury | bluebrother: what are you looking for exactly ? |
17:06:33 | fml | Can anybody please try to apply this patch to the current SVN: http://www.rockbox.org/tracker/task/8768?getfile=20546 ? And tell me whether there are any problems? |
17:07:32 | bluebrother | pamaury: I'd like to have some checking in the release script that gives me a warning if the binary is dynamically linked against some dlls. Especially mingwm.dll on Windows. |
17:07:34 | rasher | AlexP: did you look at the manual bits I wrote? |
17:07:43 | AlexP | Where? |
17:07:51 | rasher | FS #9934 |
17:07:55 | AlexP | bugger |
17:08:01 | AlexP | I didn't know about that |
17:08:05 | AlexP | I'll have a look |
17:08:13 | rasher | Doesn't look like anyone did |
17:08:18 | rasher | (me included) |
17:08:21 | bluebrother | fml: malformed patch at line 44 |
17:08:26 | AlexP | This patch is a pain as well - full of errors, tabs etc. |
17:08:34 | AlexP | I've nearly got it done though |
17:08:42 | rasher | When I saw the opened task, my first reaction was "what, I added that ages ago!" |
17:08:46 | AlexP | rasher: I'll finish this then try and merge yours |
17:08:47 | rasher | Turns out I didn't. |
17:09:01 | AlexP | Or is yours ready to go straight in? |
17:09:16 | rasher | I don't remember. |
17:10:11 | CIA-43 | New commit by bluebrother (r22752): Substract the correct number of minutes when calculating the durations seconds part. |
17:10:52 | bluebrother | note to self: when testing something that calculates a duration in min:sec, don't try with a tree that builds in less |
17:11:29 | pamaury | bluebrother: and what is the problem with depends.exe ? Isn't it interactive AFAIR ? |
17:11:53 | bluebrother | pamaury: yes, but I like to have that in the deploy script. I.e. non-interactive |
17:13:22 | fml | bluebrother: yes, I get the same error. But I don't understand why. I also get errors with other patches from that task :-/ |
17:13:29 | pamaury | bluebrother: it's quite easy to create a program that list the dll a exe/dll depends on. Perhaps I even have one on my computer |
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17:44:23 | * | fml has no clue why he keeps getting error messages when patching. The patch wasn't edited manually! |
17:45:33 | pixelma | linefeed issues perhaps? |
17:46:23 | bluebrother | no. I've tried dos2unix the patch, didn't change anything |
17:46:54 | bluebrother | the only thing I can think of is line numbers being off. Though that shouldn't happend if the patch was generated directly from svn and not changed manually |
17:47:55 | AlexP | rasher: It looks like the patch I've been playing with contains what yours does (in fact, looking at the text some of it seems to have come from there...) except it puts the description in advanced topics and just the tags in the wps tags section |
17:48:07 | fml | I even tried delete everything but the first hunk −− no success. |
17:48:09 | AlexP | rasher: Would you like to have a look at my cleaned up version of this one? |
17:48:49 | kugel | AlexP: viewports isn't a WPS-only thing anymore, which is probably why it's under andvanced topics |
17:49:02 | AlexP | yes, I know |
17:49:15 | AlexP | It is as two seperate topics |
17:49:22 | AlexP | wps viewports and ui viewports |
17:49:38 | AlexP | both of which should be under advanced topics (for the description) anyway |
17:50:23 | kugel | I think the description and UI vp could be under "Customising the User Interface", the wps syntax where the other tags are described |
17:50:41 | kugel | with the addition of conditionals VPsfor the wps |
17:52:25 | AlexP | yes, that is what it does |
17:53:17 | bluebrother | is there something like "mkdir -p" on windows? I.e. a way to make mkdir *not* fail if the folder already exists? |
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17:57:38 | pamaury | bluebrother: are you still interested in a ldd like for windows ? I have a self contained program that can list dependencies (dll only, not imported functions), that works at least on linux (ie not tested on windows) and at least for 32-bit programs :) |
17:58:15 | bluebrother | pamaury: definitely |
17:59:01 | pamaury | bluebrother: http://pastie.org/623635 |
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17:59:44 | pamaury | hope it can helps, it's not very robust but it should work |
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18:00:39 | bluebrother | pamaury: I'll check that, it's better than having nothing to start with :) Thanks. |
18:01:17 | AlexP | kugel, rasher: http://pastebin.com/m4acfdc24 |
18:01:24 | pamaury | bluebrother: it's nothing, if you want to get rid of all the preliminary definition, just include windows.h and it should works |
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18:03:51 | kugel | AlexP: the patch doesn't tell me much :( can you build me a pdf? |
18:04:11 | AlexP | kugel: It tells you everything! |
18:04:17 | AlexP | kugel: What target? |
18:04:39 | kugel | color and/or grey |
18:05:18 | * | AlexP doesn't know this "color" thing :) |
18:05:29 | kugel | do you have an idea why {\textbar} is needed for the \config thing, but not for \begin{example} ? |
18:05:34 | kugel | colour* :) |
18:05:44 | AlexP | lines? |
18:05:54 | kugel | first hunk of the patch |
18:05:58 | kugel | lines 8 and 22 |
18:06:26 | AlexP | no, I hadn't noticed that |
18:06:30 | AlexP | I'll have a play |
18:07:13 | AlexP | I presume because \example{} takes it verbatim |
18:07:18 | kugel | bluebrother: does python not know the % operator? |
18:08:06 | AlexP | kugel: Note the % doesn't need escaping either |
18:09:28 | AlexP | kugel: http://aeparker.com/files/rockbox-h120-r22748M-090920.pdf and http://aeparker.com/files/rockbox-gigabeatf-r22748M-090920.pdf |
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18:14:16 | kugel | AlexP: Looks largely fine to me, although the major part of the discription of viewports is in the WPS section, which comes after teh UI viewport section |
18:14:49 | kugel | not a big deal, since there's a nice reference, but I can imagine that viewports are described very generally before UI vp and WPS vps |
18:15:32 | AlexP | kugel: Yes, a good point - I'll see if I can shuffle it around |
18:16:35 | CIA-43 | New commit by alle (r22753): Pitch Detector: add the possibility to set the reference frequency of A (last part of FS #8768) |
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18:20:14 | robertoss | hey everyone, quick question about turning on the ipod video, i noticed that i can turn it on by quickly pressing menu, and then also boot to the apple OS with a Long Menu, but the manual says to use menu/select? Is this something that is well known or is it new? BTW i have the large disk build from bobbozo |
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18:22:52 | saratoga | can someone add the Fuze to the theme site? |
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18:24:08 | kugel | saratoga: done, it needs a picture though |
18:25:37 | kugel | I have one, but I have no idea how make it show up there |
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18:26:30 | kugel | rasher: ^ ? |
18:26:55 | saratoga | kugel: shouldn't the fuze use ipod color themes |
18:27:20 | kugel | yea, for some reason it has no theme |
18:29:33 | rasher | kugel: needs to be on the main site |
18:30:01 | rasher | kugel: in http://www.rockbox.org/playerpics/ |
18:30:03 | CIA-43 | New commit by kugel (r22754): Add small pictures for Sansa Fuze and Samsung YH925. |
18:30:27 | kugel | rasher: like this? |
18:30:57 | rasher | kugel: don't know if they get pushed or if you need a swede to update www |
18:32:06 | rasher | kugel: but yes |
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18:32:37 | saratoga | no theory as to why it didn't group the ipod color themes with the fuze? |
18:33:26 | CIA-43 | New commit by alle (r22755): Pitch Detector: use special functions for choosing bool values |
18:35:31 | domonoky | either the wrong resolution was entered or it has todo with the checkwps checking. |
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18:36:21 | kugel | 220x176 is what I entered |
18:37:31 | kugel | hrm, it seems I should've used "Sandisk Sansa Fuze" :/ |
18:37:34 | kugel | can that be changed? |
18:38:04 | kugel | it doesn't matter for the themes, but it would be more consistent with the other sansas |
18:38:53 | * | rasher will fix |
18:39:27 | domonoky | also the e200v2 should be added, or rbutil wont find themes for it. |
18:39:30 | kugel | although the ipods don't have apple in front |
18:42:10 | rasher | scorche: we need libsdl1.2-dev on the theme server (to build checkwps) |
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18:44:29 | saratoga | the svg images on the download site look so much nicer then the sim pictures |
18:47:12 | rasher | Yeah, why aren't we using these for the sim? |
18:47:34 | saratoga | do we have higher res versions? |
18:47:39 | saratoga | or is svg scalable |
18:47:51 | rasher | svg is scalable |
18:47:58 | rasher | They're the same ones used in the manual |
18:48:48 | CIA-43 | New commit by alex (r22756): Add viewports to the manual. Adapted from FS #9934 by Jonas Häggqvist and FS #10553 by David Kauffmann |
18:49:11 | AlexP | Did we branch for 3.4? I guess I should put that in there too |
18:49:15 | rasher | Just needs an overlay for the buttons |
18:49:22 | rasher | AlexP: not sure it matters for the manual, but yes we did |
18:49:34 | rasher | not much work, I guess |
18:49:40 | AlexP | Probably best too - 3.4 contains the viewports :) |
18:49:51 | AlexP | Yeah, I'll do it shortly |
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18:59:30 | * | domonoky just added e200v2 to the theme page. but it also didnt get any themes. so it probably needs new checkwps binarys for the new targets. |
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19:03:13 | CIA-43 | New commit by alex (r22757): Port r22756 to the 3.4 branch - Add viewports to the manual. Adapted from FS #9934 by Jonas Häggqvist and FS #10553 by David Kauffmann. |
19:03:32 | CIA-43 | New commit by alle (r22758): Pitch Detector: group note related data together |
19:04:00 | CIA-43 | New commit by bluebrother (r22759): Always format error message using ANSI functions to get rid of type-punning when building with rbutil. |
19:10:18 | CIA-43 | New commit by alle (r22760): Clarify the unit of note frequency |
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19:15:00 | AlexP | A-B repeat is on all players right? |
19:15:53 | dionoea | Bagder: Hi. it looks like the since-4weeks.html page isn't updated anymore. |
19:16:10 | * | Bagder blames a random kid brother |
19:17:01 | pixelma | AlexP: I'm not sure, even if it is there are two ways to control it (depending on the amount of usable buttons) |
19:17:26 | pixelma | I'm not sure the Ondio (and the Player maybe) have it |
19:19:45 | pixelma | the Ondio seems to have it (at least it's in the menu) |
19:20:47 | AlexP | pixelma: OK, I'll think about doing something about it at some point :) |
19:23:22 | pixelma | urgh, if you enable A-B repeat on the Ondio you can't go from the WPS to the filebrowser anymore... |
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19:25:05 | amiconn | You can... just not directly |
19:26:05 | pixelma | well, context menu > menu > file browser? Ok... |
19:26:12 | amiconn | yes |
19:26:43 | amiconn | Of course there is a tradeoff |
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19:27:31 | amiconn | I think that A-B repeat needs quick access if enabled, otherwise it could be put into the wps context menu |
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19:31:50 | Lear | kugel: regarding the gcc 4.4.1 test, was the binutils snapshot needed for some reason? |
19:33:22 | pixelma | entering the filebrowser through the menu is a bit different than entering directly from the WPS if you have "follow playlist" enabled because you get to folder you last browsed not to the curently playing track, not a big deal though |
19:34:57 | * | amiconn thinks that this is a bug |
19:35:56 | pixelma | I think you can see it both ways |
19:37:00 | pixelma | consistency when entering the file browser through the menu or not |
19:37:40 | pixelma | or for "folliow playlist" |
19:38:49 | kugel | Lear: 2.19 didn't work without modifications on the previous test |
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19:48:07 | kugel | Lear: if you're running x86_84 I can hand you the binaries |
19:48:15 | kugel | for arm |
19:51:43 | kugel | x86_64 of course :) |
19:55:04 | Lear | kugel: Thanks, but I use Cygwin... |
19:56:07 | kugel | That hurts me bad |
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20:27:03 | Lear_ | kugel: Hrm, the binutils snapshot from the 20th didn't build for me... |
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20:30:51 | Lear_ | kugel: Ah, just a missing lib, easy to fix. |
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20:33:44 | Lear_ | Now what, test_codec made an empty log file (for a folder run). |
20:35:46 | kugel | I didn't do folder runs |
20:41:05 | funman | bughunter2: what action should cause an USB interrupt on Sansa AMS, simply plugging the device on USB ? |
20:41:24 | bughunter2 | I'd guess so? |
20:41:45 | funman | shouldn't the first action come from the device towards the usb controller ? |
20:41:55 | bughunter2 | hmm |
20:42:06 | bughunter2 | I'm not that experienced with USB, so I'd have to read up on that |
20:42:10 | bughunter2 | but you could definitely be right |
20:42:32 | funman | just suggesting, i'm not experienced with usb either |
20:42:46 | Lear_ | File was written, (chdsk found it). If there was a crash, there was no panic screen... |
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20:45:29 | bughunter2 | funman: maybe you could check the OF init routine once more, to be sure? |
20:46:15 | funman | there is not "one init routine" iirc, what are you looking for exactly ? |
20:46:29 | bughunter2 | the usb driver initialization? |
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20:46:50 | funman | well i believe the initialization is split in several places |
20:46:56 | bughunter2 | ah |
20:47:37 | funman | some functions can be hard to follow due to several reasons (function pointers comes to my mind) |
20:49:24 | bughunter2 | I'd guess that a lot of the USB packets going to the host are the same on most players... if that's the case then couldn't we just compare other rockbox code and check whether rockbox sends the first packet? |
20:50:26 | funman | sounds good |
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20:52:09 | bertrik | bughunter2, as far as I've seen so far USB controllers give interrupts for the following two broad cases: device interrupts (plugin/out, speed-change) and endpoint interrupts (packet sent or received for example) |
20:52:40 | bughunter2 | ok |
20:53:01 | bertrik | the usual case is that the device activates a pull-up on the D+ line (or inserted with the D+ pullup already active), this is detected by the host which does a USB device reset |
20:53:02 | bughunter2 | so then we should get an interrupt, if interrupts are working.. |
20:53:22 | bertrik | yes |
20:53:23 | bughunter2 | sorry I don't know what the D+ line is |
20:53:54 | bertrik | it's one of the four signal lines used in USB (ground, power, D+, D-) |
20:53:59 | bughunter2 | ah |
20:54:14 | bertrik | one of the middle two in a flat USB connector |
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20:56:18 | bughunter2 | bertrik: so once I'd connect my e200v2, I should immediately get an interrupt, after rockbox shows the USB logo? |
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20:56:26 | bughunter2 | or even before that/ |
20:56:27 | bughunter2 | ? |
20:56:51 | bughunter2 | to test whether interrupts work, I simply put a panicf() in INT_USB, but it never paniced :/ |
20:58:23 | bertrik | I'd expect so, yet |
20:58:40 | bertrik | *yes. Does the host see anything happen when you plug it in? |
20:58:54 | bughunter2 | nope, nothing in the device manager either |
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21:00:56 | bughunter2 | I just inserted some extra panics, let's see if something happens |
21:01:02 | bertrik | do you see anything happen in the dmesg log of a linux machine? |
21:01:16 | bughunter2 | I'll try that, too |
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21:04:38 | bughunter2 | bertrik: nothing in dmesg |
21:06:39 | bertrik | in that case I think, USB is not active at all yet. It could be that the pull-up on D+ is not activated from the device side. |
21:07:01 | bughunter2 | so, the device isn't initialized correctly? what else could it be? |
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21:08:14 | bughunter2 | aw, even with panics all over the place, not even one panic is displayed :P |
21:08:23 | bughunter2 | except the one in usb_attach that I tried out of paranoia |
21:11:18 | bertrik | I'll check the datasheet |
21:11:50 | bughunter2 | thanks |
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21:17:23 | bertrik | which part (chapter) of the datasheet applies to the USB device controller in the as3525? |
21:17:34 | bughunter2 | of the amd sheet? |
21:18:04 | bertrik | yes |
21:18:14 | bughunter2 | just the ones that match the register names, I'd guess |
21:18:22 | bughunter2 | haven't read the full thing yet |
21:19:27 | bughunter2 | the names can slightly differ though |
21:19:40 | bughunter2 | for e.g. in AS sheet: USB_DEV_CTL, and in AMD's sheet: DEVCTL |
21:19:53 | bughunter2 | err, USB_DEV_CFG / DEVCFG |
21:20:30 | bughunter2 | I'm trying to make a little trace, to see what the OF sends to the host |
21:22:17 | bertrik | ah chapter 6.4.5 |
21:22:47 | bughunter2 | yeah |
21:23:03 | bughunter2 | just found out as well |
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21:24:53 | bertrik | we may need to have to configure the USB PHY, the part that does the low-level signalling and I think this can be found out easiest by studying the OF |
21:25:14 | bughunter2 | afaik funman's code did configure that |
21:25:24 | bughunter2 | or maybe just partly |
21:25:26 | bughunter2 | not sure |
21:25:39 | bertrik | also, in registers RXFIFOMEM there is a bit 'APU' that configures how the pull-up works (automatically or under software control) |
21:25:40 | bughunter2 | CGU_USB = 1<<5 /* enable */ | (CLK_DIV(AS3525_PLLA_FREQ, 48000000) / 2) << 2 | 1; /* source = PLLA */ |
21:25:43 | bughunter2 | that's from funman |
21:25:54 | bughunter2 | oh |
21:26:03 | bughunter2 | should I try to set that to automatic, right now? |
21:26:18 | bughunter2 | also, I just captured the packets the OF sends to the host |
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21:26:30 | bertrik | the problem is that the as3525 does not have this particular register ... |
21:26:35 | bughunter2 | aw |
21:27:01 | bertrik | CGU_USB just enables a clock towards the USB device controller and is only a really small part of initialisation I guess |
21:27:07 | bughunter2 | yeah |
21:27:34 | bughunter2 | it looks like the host indeed sends the first few packets, before getting packets from the device |
21:27:47 | bughunter2 | so, we should indeed get interrupts immediately after plugging the device in |
21:28:16 | bertrik | the device cannot really take the initiative to send packets to the host, it's done only on request of the host |
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21:28:37 | bughunter2 | true |
21:28:47 | bughunter2 | so that in itself is enough to be sure we should get interrupts |
21:29:57 | bughunter2 | bertrik: how'd you figured the RXFIFOMEM thing out btw? |
21:30:15 | bertrik | rasher, I am thinking of committing FS#http://www.rockbox.org/tracker/task/9824 |
21:30:57 | bertrik | bughunter2, I was searching for "pull" in the datasheet (from pull-up) |
21:31:16 | bughunter2 | how'd you know it's related to that register though? |
21:31:33 | rasher | bertrik: sounds good. I did in fact test it on my e200 as well |
21:31:38 | bughunter2 | I only stumble upon APU by searching for pull |
21:33:12 | bughunter2 | bertrik: could "6.16.2.7 GPIO Pull-Up Enable (GPIO[x]_PU_EN)" be related? |
21:33:41 | bertrik | rasher, IIRC I did test it on sansa clip too (and it worked). I'll wait for the freeze to end. |
21:34:42 | bertrik | bughunter2, yes I think so |
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21:35:00 | bughunter2 | I'm not sure how to enable it, if it's possible that way.. |
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21:40:24 | bughunter2 | bertrik: it says 'GPIO I/O Offset 18h', but how can I write to this? should I add 18h to some base register? If so, which? |
21:44:52 | bertrik | hm on closer inspection, those pull-ups probably have nothing to do with USB and are part of a different device module |
21:45:04 | bughunter2 | ah |
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21:45:30 | bughunter2 | in the comments of the linux amd5536udc driver, it says: " * Make sure that UDC is assigned to port 4 by BIOS settings (port can also be used as host port) and UOC bits PAD_EN and APU are set (should be done by BIOS init)." |
21:46:34 | bughunter2 | uoc being usb option controller |
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21:51:43 | bughunter2 | bertrik: I just added some code which I thought might enable APU, and now rockbox says (when connecting) "data abort at 30058e00" |
21:52:33 | bughunter2 | probably not good |
21:52:33 | bughunter2 | :P |
21:53:13 | bertrik | it could be that the data abort fires when you try to access a peripheral and it doesn't respond (no peripheral registers at this address), but I'm not really an ARM expert |
21:53:17 | CIA-43 | New commit by vitja (r22761): i7: pcm-telechips fix sampling rate that was about 40000 instead of 44100 ... |
21:53:42 | bughunter2 | I added: *(unsigned long *) (0x5120000b /* UOC base */ + 0x00 /* UOCCAP */) |= (1<<15); |
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21:55:28 | bughunter2 | probably should add volatile.. not that it would magically make it work |
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21:56:15 | AlexP | er, what the hell is the first one on here: http://themes.rockbox.org/index.php?target=h300 |
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21:56:24 | * | AlexP investigates with a few to deleting |
21:56:28 | AlexP | *view |
21:58:22 | kugel | what? |
21:58:52 | AlexP | rasher: I just went to delete a theme - I think it has gone but I got Warning: rmdir(/home/themes/www//themes/220x176/.rockbox) [function.rmdir]: Directory not empty in /home/themes/private/themesite.class.php on line 295 |
21:59:19 | AlexP | kugel: Someone submitted cabbie v2 with the screenshot a badly cropped photograph of his screen |
21:59:36 | kugel | yea, I saw that. I just didn't understand what you said |
21:59:48 | AlexP | Which line? |
21:59:59 | kugel | the two directly above |
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22:00:41 | AlexP | investigates with a view to deleting = looking at it pretty sure that I'm going to delete it |
22:01:52 | kugel | aye, I wasn't familiar with that phrase |
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22:02:52 | rasher | AlexP: that looks... wrong |
22:03:04 | AlexP | rasher: indeed it does :) |
22:04:25 | rasher | AlexP: It's gone.. not sure what happened :| |
22:05:31 | AlexP | rasher: Me neither, just wanted to let you know |
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22:08:10 | bughunter2 | bertrik: some news :).. I at least found some opcodes in the OF disassembly that match funman's code :D |
22:08:49 | rasher | > Some person on anythingbutipod.com gave this theme as part of the firmware (rockbox) as freeware. |
22:08:55 | rasher | That seems more disturbing |
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22:14:44 | AlexP | rasher: also, the e200v2 is showing zero themes - it should be showing the e200 ones, no? |
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22:17:32 | rasher | AlexP: It should, but I have no checkwps for e200v2 |
22:17:55 | rasher | AlexP: and only themes which have passed checkwps get showed |
22:17:57 | AlexP | ah right |
22:18:09 | AlexP | that makes sense |
22:18:20 | rasher | Just need scorche to install sdl so I can compile checkwps |
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22:25:19 | kugel | bertrik: the freeze ended |
22:26:11 | kugel | rasher: you need sdl for checkwps? |
22:27:21 | rasher | kugel: seems so |
22:27:54 | kugel | does it give an error? |
22:28:37 | bughunter2 | bertrik: will continue another day, bedtime :) |
22:28:41 | bughunter2 | thanks for the help |
22:28:47 | kugel | I wasn't aware of this, an I don't think it's needed |
22:31:43 | kugel | rasher: the build system builds checkwpsm wouldn't it be useful to use that= |
22:31:47 | kugel | ?* |
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22:32:09 | kugel | it isn't uploaded yet, but I think that could be changed for the theme site |
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22:33:44 | rasher | kugel: seems needlessly complicated |
22:33:57 | rasher | It takes what.. at most a minute to build them all? |
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22:34:27 | kugel | depends on the machine |
22:34:36 | kugel | my c2d needs more |
22:35:14 | kugel | how old is the checkwps that's currently in use? |
22:35:51 | kugel | if checkwps isn't always up-to-date, how do you garuantee that it's actually correct when it says "does not work with the current build"? |
22:38:44 | rasher | it is always up to date |
22:38:49 | rasher | except when scorche breaks everything :) |
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23:05:40 | webguest42 | Hey, does rockbox work on samsung yps3? |
23:07:39 | bertrik | no, there's just a simple demo program, based on a rockbox bootloader |
23:07:55 | webguest42 | crap in a biscuit. |
23:08:07 | webguest42 | Thanks anyway. |
23:09:06 | webguest42 | Is there any way I could contact the rockbox crew and request that? |
23:10:09 | TheSeven | webguest42: I don't think you need to, and you've more-or-less already done it hereby |
23:10:20 | webguest42 | Alright |
23:10:27 | webguest42 | Thanks. |
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23:10:31 | TheSeven | bertrik: are you just working on the meizus or is the yps3 also yours? |
23:10:52 | casainho | hello Rockbox hackers :-) |
23:10:58 | webguest42 | I guess I'll wait. |
23:11:03 | webguest42 | Bye now. |
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23:12:03 | casainho | I would like to know if Rockbox already have USB support? |
23:12:18 | TheSeven | casainho: for which target? |
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23:12:51 | casainho | well, I am looking for adapt on some costum hardware like this one: http://cgi.ebay.com/mini2440-S3C2440-ARM9-Board-3-5-TFT-LCD-Touch-Screen_W0QQitemZ120468760959QQcmdZViewItemQQptZLH_DefaultDomain_0?hash=item1c0c7f697f&_trksid=p3286.c0.m14 |
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23:13:04 | AlexP | casainho: Yes, in general |
23:13:26 | AlexP | casainho: There is a USB stack, but of course drivers for individual hardware is needed |
23:13:28 | AlexP | *are |
23:13:30 | casainho | but would Rockbox work as a USB Host? |
23:14:01 | casainho | so, the Rockbox USB Stack is working now on Sansa E200, for example? |
23:14:56 | casainho | and the same question goes for Ethernet connection. I would like to know If Rockbox would play files over Ethernet, or something like that |
23:15:28 | AlexP | USB host, no |
23:15:53 | AlexP | The e200 uses the Rockbox USB stack for UMS, yes |
23:16:01 | AlexP | And Rockbox has no networking stack |
23:16:26 | TheSeven | casainho: wow, this is a really cool device for that price! |
23:16:57 | casainho | AlexP: ok, thanks :-) |
23:17:45 | casainho | TheSeven: yes, looks like it is :-) there are all the schematics and datasheets available on product donwload page: http://www.friendlyarm.net/downloads |
23:18:53 | casainho | TheSeven: one developer already bought that hardware and I am looking if I would buy also an join, for porting Rockbox for it: http://lyre.sourceforge.net/?q=content/getting-started |
23:25:03 | kugel | casainho: yet again a hardware change? |
23:26:11 | kugel | IIRC rockbox is mostly complete for s3c2440. The Gigabeat F and X use that SoC |
23:26:20 | casainho | kugel: yes... we are still waiting for the ARMopendous-DAP boards, but is difficult, the guy designing the boards have problems with it. Now another person got near the project and bought that hardware, to port Rockbox for it. |
23:26:34 | casainho | kugel: oh, nice to know :-) |
23:27:21 | domonoky | that hardware really looks nice. and it already contains everything needed. |
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23:27:33 | casainho | and costs $85 :-) |
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23:28:17 | casainho | would be nice to have a kind of Rockbox hardware for having at home, car? −− because that hardware is not portable... |
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23:31:35 | kugel | it has vga and ethernet connectors. that already exceedes the limites of Rockbox. but one could surely make funny experiments with it |
23:32:15 | domonoky | kugel: yes, rockbox would surely not use all features. but it has everything needed for a audio player (and more) |
23:32:38 | Bagder | I figure there's a reason the screen on that device shows it running android... |
23:33:07 | domonoky | ethernet shouldnt be too complicated, there is this nice lwip stack.. you only need a hardware driver. |
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23:33:40 | Bagder | well, and probably some apps that use the network ;-) |
23:33:55 | domonoky | true :-) |
23:34:02 | kugel | and viruses, rootkits and the like :p |
23:34:56 | kugel | "We have lan! We cannot prove it since we have no apps, but we're quite surely it's working" :) |
23:35:05 | kugel | sure* |
23:35:37 | casainho | but, would people be interested in using such hardware running Rockbox? (or should I wait for a TRUE open hardware like the ARMopendous DAP?? http://code.google.com/p/armopendous/ ) |
23:35:39 | kugel | well, with a small stack we should at least be able to respond to pings |
23:36:09 | kugel | we're interesting in anything that potentially runs our os :) |
23:36:49 | kugel | but getting rockbox run on that seems like a no brainer actually |
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23:38:10 | domonoky | the only thing missing on this board for perfect home/car usage is a ata-port to connect a big-big storage. |
23:38:44 | TheSeven | domonoky: bitbanging GPIOs? :-P |
23:38:59 | Bagder | domonoky: attach a 2TB usb-disk |
23:39:09 | TheSeven | and you can always use USB-to-SATA adapters of course |
23:39:13 | kugel | or a NAS via lan :) |
23:39:22 | domonoky | Bagder: if you write the usb-host stack, shure :-) |
23:39:30 | TheSeven | "wow! we found an application for the LAN port!" |
23:39:51 | TheSeven | domonoky: USB host for just one mass storage device isn't too hard |
23:39:55 | Bagder | mass-storage shouldn't be too hard |
23:40:01 | domonoky | Bagder: did you see the new rbutil binarys to move to the download server ? |
23:40:11 | TheSeven | as soon as there are multiple devices things start to get tricky |
23:40:23 | casainho | ok - thanks for all ideas ;-) |
23:40:26 | kugel | "(5) Bitmap to C Language transfer tool " < BMP2RB ? |
23:40:36 | Bagder | domonoky: oh, I noticed but I forgot. Can I have the url again? |
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23:41:12 | casainho | I just don't know if the audio DAC IC used on that board have a good quality... (at least so good as a "normal" DAP) |
23:41:26 | domonoky | http://www.retrospektiwe.de/rbutilqt-v1.2.3.dmg and http://www.alice-dsl.net/dominik.riebeling/rockbox/ |
23:41:28 | kugel | it looks like a nice toy I admit |
23:42:59 | domonoky | with this toy, you could also just run the sim on linux, then the drivers (usb, ethernet etc) are free :-) |
23:43:37 | kugel | they ship some nice cloned software with it |
23:43:46 | Bagder | bluebrother's site is fast and fine, 4309k took a full second to transfer ;-) |
23:44:41 | Bagder | our new server's 100mbit connection is nice |
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23:45:27 | kugel | Bagder: can I send you some bootloaders while you're at it? |
23:45:39 | Bagder | sure |
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