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| 00:03:54 | kugel | Bagder: http://www.alice-dsl.net/simonemartitz/rockbox/FW_YH925.mi4 bootlaoder 6.0 |
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| 00:08:29 | Bagder | now in bootloader/samsung/yh925/ |
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| 00:14:40 | kugel | Bagder: sending you fuze/e200v2 in a few minutes. I'm doing a last test, but my fuze isn't charged enough to survive a of update right now :) |
| 00:16:39 | kugel | gevaerts: are you fine if I remove the bootloader pp 6.0 tag and retag it? I'm going to finish off that branch in a few minutes (tagging 1.0 mkamsboot and ams bootloader, as well as yh925 bootloader) |
| 00:17:08 | kugel | I'd make yh925 == all pp bootloaders then |
| 00:18:57 | kugel | Bagder: that one is in the correct directory, as opposed to the other PP bootloader ;) |
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| 00:19:45 | Bagder | not all the others ;-) |
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| 00:26:45 | gevaerts | kugel: can you actually remove a tag? Anyway, I don't think it matters very much, so if you promise not to break too much, go ahead :) |
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| 00:26:54 | saratoga | Bagder: feel like uploading the PP bootloaders while you're at it? |
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| 00:27:23 | kugel | gevaerts: svn rm <url> |
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| 00:28:01 | Bagder | uploading the PP bootloaders? |
| 00:28:06 | saratoga | well moving them |
| 00:28:07 | saratoga | download.rockbox.org/bootloader/sandisk-sansa/ |
| 00:28:19 | saratoga | i think the 5.0 ones just need to be moved in the e200, c200, etc directories |
| 00:28:25 | saratoga | "moved into" |
| 00:28:30 | saratoga | so that rbutil sees them |
| 00:28:39 | gevaerts | saratoga: 5.0? |
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| 00:28:48 | saratoga | isn't that the current version? |
| 00:29:07 | gevaerts | the one we're trying to release is 6.0 |
| 00:29:34 | saratoga | ah |
| 00:29:38 | saratoga | then use these instead: http://forums.rockbox.org/index.php?topic=22130.0 |
| 00:29:59 | Bagder | are the 6.0 ones those stored in pp-bootloaders? |
| 00:30:05 | gevaerts | yes |
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| 00:32:19 | saratoga | ah i knew they were somewhere |
| 00:32:41 | Bagder | and is that sansapatcher 0.8? |
| 00:33:17 | gevaerts | I think so. It's been a while... |
| 00:33:49 | Bagder | ah yes "sansapatcher v0.8 with v6.0 bootloaders" |
| 00:33:57 | Bagder | strings is my friend |
| 00:34:03 | saratoga | windows version says that |
| 00:34:26 | saratoga | can finally stop getting people asking about those bootloaders! |
| 00:34:48 | gevaerts | would be nice :) |
| 00:38:47 | Bagder | done |
| 00:39:08 | saratoga | what are the YH players missing now? a manual? |
| 00:39:20 | kugel | wow, are you saying we got the bootloaders in the correct folder finally, after 2 month? :) |
| 00:39:31 | kugel | saratoga: and recording |
| 00:39:37 | Bagder | a lesson for the next time someone makes a zip to put on the download server: put them in with a correct directory structure ;-) |
| 00:39:41 | kugel | I can't be bothered to look at it though |
| 00:39:48 | saratoga | so they can be made "stable" as soon as the manual is done? |
| 00:39:51 | * | gevaerts accepts all blame |
| 00:39:52 | kugel | it has a line in, but I'm still not very interested in recording after all |
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| 00:40:47 | kugel | saratoga: if the hardware can do recording, it shouldn't go into stable before it's actually implemented imo |
| 00:40:55 | saratoga | actually the wiki says you don't need a manual to be stable, so I guess the YH players could be made "stable" whenever we want |
| 00:41:07 | kugel | some players also have radio which isn't implemented |
| 00:41:08 | saratoga | i don't think recording is required |
| 00:41:20 | saratoga | the ipods were supported for a while without it IIRC |
| 00:41:38 | kugel | what's the difference between stable and unstable if neither manual nor complete features are required? |
| 00:41:52 | kugel | we didn't have that system back then |
| 00:42:24 | saratoga | true |
| 00:42:47 | saratoga | might as well make them unstable then |
| 00:42:48 | kugel | what are your opinions on having 3.4 for unstable devices? |
| 00:42:57 | saratoga | personally i am indifferent |
| 00:43:12 | gevaerts | I wouldn't |
| 00:43:34 | saratoga | for releases i favor whatever is easiest |
| 00:44:07 | saratoga | is USB enabled on the ipods in 3.4 in any form? |
| 00:44:30 | gevaerts | it still is AFAIK, but I think it shouldn't |
| 00:44:40 | saratoga | by the way I was under the impression that some ipods do charge |
| 00:44:47 | saratoga | is that not the case? |
| 00:45:31 | * | gevaerts has no idea |
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| 00:49:37 | kugel | saratoga: I was under the impression that all charge, but not enough to "out-charge" the disk during heavy access |
| 00:50:07 | saratoga | i think they don't charge at all, but do draw some power from the USB cable so they only discharge slowly |
| 00:50:19 | saratoga | well the video at least |
| 00:50:23 | saratoga | i think some of the other may charge |
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| 00:52:53 | TheSeven | from what I know, ipods always draw 100mA from the USB bus, but you can enable them to draw 500mA |
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| 00:53:14 | TheSeven | and even on a nano 2g, I managed to consume more than these 100mA |
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| 00:53:35 | saratoga | yeah theres a patch to do that but no one has taken much interest in it |
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| 00:54:12 | saratoga | does ROLO not work if you upload a new copy of the same svn revision? |
| 00:55:15 | pixelma | do you mean RoLo itself or the "changed" detection? |
| 00:55:26 | saratoga | sorry the changed detection |
| 00:58:10 | kugel | it should. I think it just compares the write time of the file |
| 00:59:13 | pixelma | you mean the time and date the file was created? |
| 00:59:37 | pixelma | (or saved to the disk) |
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| 01:00:04 | kugel | isn't that the same thing on fat? |
| 01:00:20 | kugel | I mean saved to disk anyway |
| 01:00:46 | saratoga | hmm looks like i had a bad zip so thats probably why |
| 01:01:37 | pixelma | sorry, sloppy asking. My question was more about clarification of "write time" what I misinterpreted first |
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| 01:11:31 | kugel | Bagder: you have mail :) |
| 01:11:55 | kugel | sorry that it took so long, I was having (still having) problems with my VM |
| 01:12:08 | kugel | looks like he's gona already |
| 01:13:35 | saratoga | fwiw the rbutil link on the install page doesn't work yet: http://download.rockbox.org/rbutil/win32/rbutilqt-v1.2.3.zip |
| 01:15:00 | saratoga | ah i guess bagder hasn't moved them yet |
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| 01:33:01 | kugel | saratoga: it works, the download mirrors aren't up-to-date though |
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| 02:58:30 | barqs | Hey, does anyone know if the Philips HDD 6330 is usable with rockbox yet? |
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| 02:59:50 | scorche | barqs: see the front page |
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| 03:00:26 | scorche | rasher: how about now? |
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| 03:00:51 | rasher | scorche: yep |
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| 03:02:52 | rasher | no e200v2 in tools/checkwps/targets.txt though |
| 03:03:04 | scorche | that might help... |
| 03:03:05 | barqs | scorche: I guess the only thing missing from it is the ability to install through rbutil.. Guess that means it's not usable yet] |
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| 03:04:57 | rasher | too late for me to fix that |
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| 03:23:30 | bfr | HEllo |
| 03:23:37 | bfr | Hello |
| 03:24:34 | bfr | Does anybody know if rockbox works on a sansa E280R ? |
| 03:25:37 | krazykit | bfr, it clearly states on the front page that it does |
| 03:26:07 | bfr | Alright, I must have clearly over-looked it. |
| 03:27:05 | bfr | what USB mode must this use? |
| 03:27:37 | krazykit | the manual explains the installation procedure better than i could |
| 03:28:41 | bfr | I tried it, but my mp3 keeps connecting and disconnecting |
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| 03:51:00 | * | gevaerts feels a bit sleepy |
| 03:56:28 | bfr | My sansa keeps saying its connected and disconnected on the screen of the mp3 player, can i get some help please? |
| 03:57:17 | AB3JU | I seem to remember it does that based on when data is transferred and not being anything to worry about |
| 03:57:28 | bfr | ok, thanks |
| 03:58:06 | bfr | it got me worried becuase when i try to install it, it says (not responding) on the computer |
| 03:58:26 | bfr | wait, no sansa detected, i read something about that, brb |
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| 04:10:30 | bfr | yeah, it says no sansa detected and i have V1 of the firmware |
| 04:11:29 | robin0800_ | bfr: is the player in msc mode? |
| 04:13:04 | bfr | yes |
| 04:13:29 | bfr | it is in msc |
| 04:13:39 | robin0800_ | bfr: what sansa player is it |
| 04:13:56 | bfr | its an E280 |
| 04:14:27 | robin0800_ | bfr: not a e280r? |
| 04:14:56 | bfr | it says it on the back, but it said if it was my usb modes would be differant |
| 04:15:49 | robin0800_ | bfr: and what have you tried so far ? |
| 04:15:58 | bfr | mostly all |
| 04:16:22 | bfr | it says no sansa detected |
| 04:17:04 | robin0800_ | is the rockbox bootloader on the player? |
| 04:17:43 | bfr | ohh, its installing now, thats new, so hold on, lol |
| 04:17:53 | bfr | thanks for your help so far dude, big help |
| 04:18:18 | bfr | it said disk is not a sansa, aborting |
| 04:19:02 | robin0800_ | bfr: what computer os? |
| 04:19:32 | bfr | vista |
| 04:20:35 | robin0800_ | bfr: you must be administrator to install the bootloader |
| 04:20:47 | bfr | I am |
| 04:20:48 | bfr | and i g2g |
| 04:20:52 | bfr | ill be on tomorrow |
| 04:20:54 | bfr | bye |
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| 11:19:47 | casainho | We are 2 developers that bought a cheap and powerfull dev board (http://cgi.ebay.com/mini2440-S3C2440-ARM9-Board-3-5-TFT-LCD-Touch-Screen_W0QQitemZ120468760959QQcmdZViewItemQQptZLH_DefaultDomain_0?hash=item1c0c7f697f&_trksid=p3286.c0.m14 ) |
| 11:20:18 | casainho | I would like to know if we create Rockbox patches, they will be accepted for the Rockbox SVN? |
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| 11:21:39 | funman | casainho: all patches are reviewed first, and then discussed, rejected, or accepted |
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| 11:24:25 | Bob_ | hi all |
| 11:26:30 | casainho | hi bob_ :-) |
| 11:26:56 | casainho | funman: ok, but would be interested for Rockbox project to have such pacthes? |
| 11:27:32 | funman | why not? you are going to write the patch anyway even if they are not accepted, right ? |
| 11:28:27 | casainho | since we are 2 developers, me and bob_, we are thinking on having our source tree but at the same time we should have it updated with Rockbox SVN, and I think that is not possible |
| 11:28:49 | casainho | bob_ , can you please explain better? (my bad english) |
| 11:31:06 | TheSeven | you can always generate patches from the rockbox svn and apply them to your svn |
| 11:32:21 | casainho | TheSeven: that's the best way to deal with this problem? |
| 11:32:36 | Bob_ | sure. let me say I am completely new to rockbox and don't know the development style. So for me it's a question of fitting in with that, but at the same time not generating unneccessary work for either Rockbox guys, or us for that matter |
| 11:32:45 | TheSeven | or (the way I do it, but that only works for a single developer) just keep your working copy updated |
| 11:33:58 | funman | Bob_: usually port-specific code doesn't affect other parts of the code, and is under the responsability of the persons writing this port |
| 11:36:48 | casainho | so, we can make a diff (patch) from Rockbox SVN and our SVN tree. After apply the patch on our SVN tree and we will have our tree updated with Rockbox? looks simple |
| 11:38:33 | casainho | ok, later I will try this and when we have the Rockbox Kernel blinking a LED, we can submit the first pacth. |
| 11:39:08 | Bob_ | In principle, we (Lyre) can keep our SVN updated so that it tracks the latest Rockbox code. Then, the difference between the two trees are the Lyre mods. |
| 11:39:17 | funman | FUCK YEAH |
| 11:39:23 | funman | i have the datasheet |
| 11:40:04 | Bob_ | Hmm, is a blinking LED useful to Rockbox? Just askin! |
| 11:40:13 | TheSeven | well, that |
| 11:40:25 | funman | Bob_: various targets have a led to indicate disk/storage access |
| 11:40:26 | TheSeven | that's the starting point for everything else, isn't it? |
| 11:40:50 | Bob_ | True, all my projects start with a blink led, lol |
| 11:41:14 | TheSeven | once you've done that, you'll know that your build and target setup is at least mostly right |
| 11:41:33 | casainho | well, I just mean that with blink LED we know that Rockbox kernel is working |
| 11:42:10 | casainho | ( I did this before with the other prototype −− at least I learned something ;-) ) |
| 11:43:37 | casainho | I must leave now −− thank you all |
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| 11:44:41 | Bob_ | What i am thinking is that stuf specific to our prototypes is only useful for us. If we write a new driver coded or LCD say, that would be a "standard" thing that could be useful for future Rockbox ports, even if our prototype becomes a dead end (which tends to happen to prototypes) |
| 11:45:06 | Bob_ | Oh, he's gone. |
| 11:47:17 | Bob_ | Anyway, I would like to get up to speed with the hardware and software, then maybe I can make more intelligent suggestions. Right now I just have general principles and a lot of speculation. |
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| 11:56:15 | funman | but .. the AS3531 registers don't seem to match the Clipv2 ... :( |
| 11:57:04 | funman | the base registers are _very_ different from as3525 |
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| 11:59:02 | funman | i am quite disappointed |
| 11:59:42 | foolsh | sorry to hear that funman |
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| 12:00:18 | markun | foolsh: that really sucks :( you think we can still get rockbox running with REin alone? |
| 12:00:35 | markun | that was for funman |
| 12:01:06 | TheSeven | markun: theoretically, you can always do that |
| 12:01:17 | funman | markun: of course but with much more work |
| 12:02:10 | funman | the SoC could be another of AS353x series (one of the 2 with a h264 decoder chip), or a modified AS3525 (since the OF has a "AS3525" string in it) |
| 12:02:33 | funman | I don't want to ask details to austriamicrosystems since it is their private business |
| 12:02:39 | Bob_C | bye all, have fun ;) |
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| 12:50:17 | funman | at least the i2c registers seem to be similar to clipv2 |
| 12:50:22 | funman | and that is a real help |
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| 12:52:36 | fml | AlexP: you seem to have added a contibutor's name to a wrong CREDITS file |
| 12:53:14 | AlexP | Yeah, I forgot about the manual one |
| 12:53:23 | AlexP | Incidently, there is a typo in your commit |
| 12:53:29 | moos | funman: hi, alleluia for the datasheet, you get it at end! |
| 12:53:37 | fml | AlexP: should we remove the name from the other one? |
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| 12:54:06 | AlexP | fml: I guess so, yes |
| 12:54:18 | fml | AlexP: where? Can you fix it? |
| 12:54:21 | funman | moos: yes, they sent me under the same conditions than for as3525 : keep it confidential, no public access, but it can be shared between trusted developers and used for our (gpl) project |
| 12:54:36 | AlexP | fml: You have ``playing''the in plugins/main.tex |
| 12:54:48 | AlexP | fml: Not a vital problem :) |
| 12:55:11 | funman | i want to edit the austriamicrosystems wiki page to show their long help to rockbox |
| 12:55:36 | moos | funman: nice, still the same contact? The one that make you waiting long |
| 12:55:42 | funman | i don't mean they contributed directly but they were communicative enough |
| 12:55:43 | funman | yes |
| 12:55:56 | funman | i just pinged him today and he immediately answered with the datasheet attached |
| 12:56:02 | moos | finnaly |
| 12:56:26 | funman | i hope next time we can direct them to their wiki entry and speed up the process ;) |
| 12:56:59 | CIA-43 | New commit by alle (r22765): Fix typo (add a space) |
| 12:57:21 | AlexP | fml: Also, in ppmviewer.tex I see a } added but not another one removed - is that right? |
| 12:57:24 | moos | funman: don't hope too much ;) |
| 12:57:38 | AlexP | fml: Shall I sort out the credits thing or do you want to? |
| 12:57:40 | CIA-43 | New commit by alle (r22766): The name should have been added to the other CREDITS file |
| 12:57:50 | AlexP | aha :) |
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| 12:58:23 | funman | hm the i2c registers are listed but their bits are not detailed |
| 12:59:19 | CIA-43 | New commit by alle (r22767): Fix unbalanced braces |
| 12:59:36 | fml | AlexP: thanks for spotting! But it somehow compiled here. |
| 12:59:44 | AlexP | no worries :) |
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| 13:00:17 | AlexP | I didn't try to build it actually, I don't have access at the moment |
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| 13:03:16 | AlexP | fml: I'm not actually sure why we have a seperate manual credits file - IMO contribution to any part of Rockbox should be recognised |
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| 13:03:24 | AlexP | hehe, too late :) |
| 13:05:04 | funman | i found a fuzev2 disassembly on rockbox wiki but i can't tell how much (about) pins is the BGA |
| 13:05:22 | funman | can't find clipv2 pics, and the clip+ disassembly on ABI lacks what's under the LCD |
| 13:05:59 | moos | AlexP: hi, indeed. I didn't understand his last commit |
| 13:06:17 | AlexP | Which one? |
| 13:06:18 | funman | i don't want to open my clipv2, but if you know any pictures floating around / or have an opened clipv2 it might be interesting to know |
| 13:14:54 | moos | AlexP: the credit one |
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| 13:25:29 | AlexP | moos: I committed a manual patch yesterday and added the author to CREDITS not CREDITS-MANUAL so he just removed the name from CREDITS and put it in CREDITS-MANUAL |
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| 13:31:07 | moos | AlexP: ok, just bizzare to see him removed from rockbox credits after a rockbox contribution. But that is the maining of this credits-manual, and I don't know if he contributed something else |
| 13:31:42 | AlexP | No, only this. I don't actually see why we have a seperate manual one, I think everyone should be in the same CREDITS file |
| 13:32:12 | moos | my thought too |
| 13:37:30 | Zagor | I agree |
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| 13:48:39 | AlexP | I'll change it in a bit |
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| 14:27:00 | AlexP | Do we want to kill credits-manual altogether and move everyone that isn't already there into credits? I think so, but thoughts? |
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| 14:37:58 | Zagor | AlexP: I can't think of a reason not to. |
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| 15:17:34 | rasher | Maybe because the manual is a separate work, and in case of relicensing it would be useful to have a list of people |
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| 15:25:09 | moos | we could just keep the 2 files, but add peoples missing (if there are any) on rockbox's one |
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| 16:01:14 | kugel | AlexP: I agree too |
| 16:01:32 | kugel | this way the the manual contributions show up in Rockbox' info screen too |
| 16:02:03 | kugel | Zagor: can you sync www/ and the actual website? I was about to add yh925 to unstable but www/ is outdated |
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| 16:09:15 | kugel | funman: modified as3525 sounds....unlikely |
| 16:09:36 | kugel | well, unlikely that sandisk modified it |
| 16:09:48 | kugel | but they possibly got an exclusive contract with AMS |
| 16:10:24 | kugel | which in turn made a as3525v2 just for sandisk |
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| 16:11:23 | funman | i could try asking the as3530 & as3536 datasheet to see if there are similarities |
| 16:11:34 | funman | i'm not sure about what I can ask to this guy without bothering him |
| 16:12:47 | funman | and btw the website says AS353x have 512kB of iram |
| 16:14:21 | funman | the as3527 uses a arm922T, not a arm926ejs like clipv2/as353x |
| 16:16:05 | funman | and i found at least one undocumented bit (bit 12 of "CCU_IO" used in clipv2, while CCU_IO is at the same address in as3525 & as3527) |
| 16:16:47 | Zagor | kugel: done |
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| 16:16:58 | kugel | how do you know the addresses for as3527 (never heard of that one)? |
| 16:17:26 | kugel | funman: didn't he indicate that the datasheet won't help us for the v2 samsas? |
| 16:17:33 | funman | yes he suggested htat |
| 16:17:43 | funman | kugel: the as3527 datasheet is freely available |
| 16:18:05 | kugel | you may humbly tell him he was right and ask him carefully for some hints |
| 16:18:47 | kugel | if we're lucky, he may be feeling a bit guilty his late answer |
| 16:19:36 | kugel | is the as3531 at least not that misdesigned in terms of GPIO and DBOP dual mapping/wirering? |
| 16:19:42 | robin0800 | Any one any Idea whats going on here http://forums.rockbox.org/index.php?topic=22608.0 is he right 32Mb is much slower than 64Mb |
| 16:19:55 | kugel | Zagor: What's needed to add it to the build page? just adding it to rockbox.pm and daily.t? |
| 16:20:23 | Torne | robin0800: shouldn't be |
| 16:20:29 | kugel | btw, I was almost able to build the page on windows. sed crapped out at some point |
| 16:21:07 | gevaerts | robin0800: depends. If you skip a lot, I think you'll see a difference. Otherwise, I wouldn't see why |
| 16:21:30 | Torne | robin0800: anything where having a larger audio buffer helps will be faster |
| 16:21:37 | Torne | normal playback, or skipping by a small number of tracks. |
| 16:21:39 | Torne | Nothing else. |
| 16:21:41 | kugel | I was wondering if that fcpp is actually still used by you, the make files in some subfolders don't really work with it |
| 16:22:06 | Torne | The guy on the forums probably has a different build/settings/etc without realising, or is just imagining it :) |
| 16:22:17 | Torne | there's no reason why the UI should run any differently |
| 16:22:19 | Zagor | kugel: just rockbox.pm for current build. dailymod.pl for daily builds. |
| 16:22:37 | Torne | (and it's not a "theory" as he suggests; we know what ram is used for, funnily enough) :) |
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| 16:22:50 | kugel | robin0800: that largely looks like placebo to me |
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| 16:26:40 | kugel | he may be right about the track skip thing he told |
| 16:28:05 | kugel | Zagor: it's in rockbox.pm already, just without a proper pic |
| 16:28:14 | Zagor | ah |
| 16:28:37 | kugel | is "rockbox100.png" automagically not showin up? |
| 16:29:32 | kugel | that could explain why the source 7z is gone |
| 16:30:00 | Zagor | kugel: no it is added for target that don't have a small image |
| 16:30:14 | Zagor | source is gone because the archive isn't currently built |
| 16:30:28 | kugel | there are a few targets in rockbox.pm which don't show in the current build page |
| 16:30:49 | Zagor | such as? |
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| 16:31:41 | funman | kugel: the problem is what we can ask exactly so he doesn't break the NDA he might have agreed on |
| 16:32:22 | funman | I wouldn't ask him to give us any information on the deal between AMS & SanDisk, including the chips used |
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| 16:32:49 | kugel | Zagor: all samsungs, all creatives |
| 16:32:57 | funman | perhaps "which SoC is using an arm926ejs and 0xC80* as base addresses" ? |
| 16:32:59 | Zagor | funman: you can ask anything, he just can't answer everything. it is not your/our responsibility to uphold his agreement. |
| 16:33:05 | funman | right |
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| 16:33:13 | kugel | all the yh samsungs (forgot we have another one in the pipes) |
| 16:33:23 | rasher | Zagor: it's in our interest to ask questions which are likely to be answered though |
| 16:33:54 | Zagor | rasher: yes, but surely he can just say "sorry I can't answer that" rather than us having to guess what he can and cannot say? |
| 16:34:15 | kugel | it's also in our interest that we don't ask questions which an accidental answer gets him fired |
| 16:34:25 | funman | oh and I must not forget to top-post :) |
| 16:34:37 | evilnick | Yeah, ask whatever would be most useful and he'd be able to only answer the ones that he can. |
| 16:34:57 | * | kugel thinks Zagor's question is a nice one |
| 16:35:10 | kugel | oops |
| 16:35:21 | Zagor | I have a question? :) |
| 16:35:23 | kugel | no nick coloring failed me. |
| 16:35:38 | kugel | funman: I think that's a good question :) |
| 16:36:26 | kugel | Zagor: you didn't commit anythin to www/ did you? |
| 16:36:33 | Zagor | no |
| 16:37:08 | kugel | I meant to ask you to push your local website changes to www/, since building the page gives me the one of a week ago |
| 16:37:22 | Zagor | oh |
| 16:37:35 | Zagor | oops |
| 16:37:53 | funman | damn and I can't access my disassembly to get details, since Ubuntu Karmic doesn't ship libstdc++5 anymore. I'll put this mail on hold |
| 16:38:11 | kugel | apt-get? |
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| 16:39:30 | funman | no |
| 16:41:01 | CIA-43 | New commit by zagor (r22768): Changes for the new site location |
| 16:42:47 | CIA-43 | New commit by zagor (r22769): Show total build count if all builds are green |
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| 17:03:07 | kugel | Zagor: heh, now all the targets show on the current build page |
| 17:03:19 | Zagor | yeah, I tweaked it |
| 17:03:30 | kugel | I don't think creatives and philips are meant to be there already though |
| 17:03:31 | Zagor | that script is unfortunately not in svn yet |
| 17:04:49 | Zagor | there, better sorting |
| 17:07:21 | CIA-43 | New commit by zagor (r22771): Added new playerpics. Added cowond2 to model list. |
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| 17:14:17 | casainho | hello :-) |
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| 17:22:03 | casainho | I checkedout Rockbox source, and now I would like to start creating a directory where I can put my code and also updated to another SVN, how can I do it? −− I was trying doing a diff between Rockbox directory and another empty directory, but it do not works... |
| 17:25:03 | AsaelReiter | Why do you need another SVN? |
| 17:25:46 | AsaelReiter | What bad about "svn diff"? |
| 17:27:15 | casainho | because I am porting Rockbox and we are 2 guys working on it, so, we have our SVN |
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| 17:28:13 | Torne | if you want to work tha tway you would do better to use a distributed vcs which can branch from svn (git, bzr, etc) |
| 17:28:19 | casainho | I tough I could make a kind of a diff from original Rockbox source |
| 17:28:42 | casainho | Torne: can you please explain a litlle better? |
| 17:29:15 | casainho | we are using Code.google, which have SVN |
| 17:29:33 | casainho | here: http://code.google.com/p/rockboxplayer/ |
| 17:30:48 | Torne | you're sharing/updating a diff against the rockbox code, right? |
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| 17:30:58 | Torne | That's not a very easy way to work. |
| 17:31:14 | Torne | most distributed version control systems are able to create a branch which is a copy of a subversion branch |
| 17:31:27 | Torne | and then you can work in that, including pulling changes to rockbox into it |
| 17:31:38 | casainho | yes, I were doing like that but now we will start again, so, I would prefer a better way |
| 17:31:40 | Torne | git/bzr/hg/etc can all do this |
| 17:32:04 | casainho | so, I can't use the SVN on code.google? |
| 17:32:25 | Torne | svn doesn't support distributed branches, so if you wanted to work like that then no. |
| 17:32:33 | Torne | google will host hg for you, though |
| 17:32:52 | Torne | so you could do it there with hg, and the HgSubversion plugin |
| 17:32:59 | casainho | so, what would be the best way to work, using google.code? |
| 17:33:19 | casainho | hg? I don't know what is it |
| 17:33:23 | Torne | Mercurial |
| 17:33:30 | Torne | also known as hg |
| 17:33:43 | Torne | (the chemical symbol for mercury) |
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| 17:35:11 | casainho | ok, I am on that page. So, what are the steps I should do? sorry, I am really new to this. I just used SVN before but smaal use |
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| 17:39:24 | Torne | you should read up about DVCS and how to work with distributed branches, and pick a tool you like and are comfortable with :) |
| 17:39:42 | Torne | *then* pick a project hosting service that supports that tool, if you have nowhere else to put it. |
| 17:39:59 | NHeal | zelazny.freenode.net irc.freenode.net |
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| 17:40:14 | Torne | git, bzr and mercurial can all branch from subversion. Others probably can too but I've not used them. :) |
| 17:41:14 | casainho | ok. I am reading on google.code, on how to convert actual SVN to HG |
| 17:41:48 | Torne | no, it's not about *converting* |
| 17:41:55 | casainho | after I will try to use HG with code.google and I hope then to see the advantages to use it, instead of SVN, for my project |
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| 17:42:23 | casainho | I am reading this page: http://code.google.com/p/support/wiki/ConvertingSvnToHg |
| 17:42:31 | Torne | Yes, that's to convert *your existing* svn to hg |
| 17:42:38 | Torne | that's nothing to do with what i'm tlaking about |
| 17:42:48 | Torne | hg has a plugin where it can access subversion repositories. |
| 17:42:59 | Torne | so, you can create a hg branch which is based on the actual Rockbox svn |
| 17:43:18 | Torne | then whenever you update that branch you will get the latest Rockbox code from our trunk |
| 17:43:28 | Torne | and you can merge that into your hg branch on an ongoing basis |
| 17:43:33 | casainho | ok, seems simple |
| 17:43:33 | Torne | no need to create patches |
| 17:44:01 | Bob_C | Hey all. I'm not sure I understand! |
| 17:44:25 | Torne | ah, oh. |
| 17:44:31 | casainho | yes Bob, try to understand so we can do it togheter |
| 17:44:42 | Torne | One thing you might want to note is that the hgsubversion plugin is currently listed as "Not suitable for production use" :) |
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| 17:44:49 | Torne | you might find bzr or git to be better ;) |
| 17:45:01 | Torne | bzr-svn and git-svn are both very widely used and stable |
| 17:45:16 | casainho | ok, but the question is to use code.google, which seems to suport only HG |
| 17:45:44 | Torne | you shouldn't choose what tools to use based on what google lwill give you :) |
| 17:45:50 | Torne | you should choose tools that do what you need |
| 17:45:55 | * | Bob_C drinking potion of +1 understanding |
| 17:46:00 | Torne | then find a place that will host that ;) |
| 17:46:13 | Torne | there are numerous project hosting sites which support bzr and/or git |
| 17:46:52 | casainho | Torne: ok, thanks, but I would prefer to continue with code.google. |
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| 17:47:56 | Torne | s'your thing |
| 17:48:31 | Torne | http://bitbucket.org/durin42/hgsubversion/wiki/Home <- hgsubversion here, including warnings about it being in refactoring at the moment |
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| 17:51:16 | Bob_C | I'm happy to do whatever you decide, if that helps |
| 17:51:22 | Torne | i don't use hg much, so can't help other than that :) |
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| 18:00:22 | casainho | Torne: "and you can merge that into your hg branch on an ongoing basis", so, If I use hg to "checkout" Rockbox sources, can I create a kind of a patch from Rockbox one and our Lyre one? |
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| 18:01:30 | Torne | you can create an actual patch, if you want |
| 18:01:32 | Torne | but there is no need to |
| 18:01:34 | JdGordon | domonoky: re my mac... I'm home in 10 days.. I'll reinstall it and not put ~ on a aseprate partition so it doesnt happen again... I'll do my best to save the current ~ but is there anything on there that would be bad to lose? |
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| 18:01:48 | Torne | your hg branch would contain the entire rockbox code, including your changes |
| 18:01:58 | Torne | and every time you pull from the rockbox trunk it would be updated to the latest. |
| 18:02:02 | Torne | merging in your changes |
| 18:02:12 | domonoky | JdGordon: nothing bad to loose. i just have to setup the build enviroment again then. |
| 18:03:03 | domonoky | JdGordon: i also used it with broken home-directory to build the new rbutil release. it worked :-) (using the home directory in USers_backup/domonoky) |
| 18:03:28 | casainho | Torne: ok, but that looks like the same to me as If I were using SVN. How can I "link" my hg branch to the branch on code.google hg? |
| 18:03:42 | Torne | what? |
| 18:03:46 | Torne | that is your branch, no? |
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| 18:06:31 | casainho | Torne: so, if change some code, how can I create a patch for Rockbox flyspry? |
| 18:07:05 | casainho | if my branch is the one from code.google (using HG)... |
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| 18:07:15 | Torne | the vcs will give you some way to diff the branch against the branch it's branched from :) |
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| 18:08:04 | casainho | oh, confusion on my head :-) |
| 18:09:39 | Torne | go read the manual for hg first |
| 18:09:45 | Torne | understand how a distributed VCS works |
| 18:09:59 | Torne | it's not the same as svn |
| 18:10:39 | casainho | ok, I will :-) thanks |
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| 18:54:37 | Blue_Dude | Hey, I have a last minute bugfix for v3.4. How do I apply it? |
| 18:56:17 | JdGordon| | checkout the 3.4 branch and commit as normal |
| 18:57:09 | Llorean | Is it critical though? |
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| 19:00:36 | Blue_Dude | It's a potential fix for FS #10572. Garbage output when timestretch and limiter are used together. |
| 19:01:00 | Blue_Dude | It won't crash the player, but it's critical enough. |
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| 19:01:06 | Llorean | That seems more like a "known issue" type problem than a "critical fix" doesn't it? |
| 19:01:22 | domonoky | Blue_Dude: make sure to apply it to both branches, 3.4 and trunk :-) |
| 19:01:50 | Blue_Dude | I was going to apply it to trunk first to test it out. Then if it works for certain, apply it to the branch. |
| 19:01:59 | gevaerts | sounds like a plan |
| 19:02:12 | gevaerts | Is USB still enabled for ipods on the branch? |
| 19:02:17 | Llorean | The whole point of the branch is that the code isn't supposed to change after the branch until it's really critical. |
| 19:02:33 | Llorean | What's the point in having the branch if any bugfix can still go in? May as well just not branch, right? |
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| 19:02:48 | Llorean | *unless it's really... |
| 19:03:32 | JdGordon| | I would call that a playback issue, and high enough to go in the rel branch |
| 19:03:46 | JdGordon| | assuming it doesnt add more problems |
| 19:04:06 | * | dionoea thought that the whole point of having branches was to be able to apply all the bugfixes but not the new features (at least that's how we do it for VLC) |
| 19:04:25 | domonoky | if the risks are pretty low for this patch, i would think its fine to go into 3.4 |
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| 19:04:41 | Llorean | JdGordon|: That's the thing though. We know what the issue is right now and it's relatively easy to avoid. The fix could cause unknown issues that won't show up immediately. |
| 19:04:42 | CIA-43 | New commit by blue_dude (r22772): Potential fix for FS #10572: limiter + time stretch produces garbage output |
| 19:05:52 | Blue_Dude | The problem is that I didn't allocate enough room to one buffer. The problem didn't manifest itself until timestretch was enabled, which required more room in an output buffer than I was able to give it. |
| 19:06:27 | Blue_Dude | Fairly small fix, but it costs RAM. |
| 19:06:58 | gevaerts | looks risk-free enough to me |
| 19:07:52 | Blue_Dude | Now we'll see if allocating more IRAM is going to be a problem... |
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| 19:08:52 | Blue_Dude | Can someone test this on target? I don't have one available for testing at the moment... |
| 19:09:55 | Blue_Dude | Yeah, full IRAM. I was afraid of that... |
| 19:11:56 | Blue_Dude | Any ideas? |
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| 19:16:11 | Blue_Dude | I'm going to see what removing that buffer from IRAM will do to performance. |
| 19:16:49 | TheSeven | ist it just a single target that's affected by this? |
| 19:17:01 | Blue_Dude | 3 low IRAM targets are hit. |
| 19:17:23 | Blue_Dude | ipod 4G and h100/120 |
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| 19:19:48 | TheSeven | ipod 4g is a pp5520? |
| 19:21:11 | TheSeven | if it's a -02, moving that to DRAM will really hurt. |
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| 19:29:11 | funman | http://forums.rockbox.org/index.php?topic=6135.msg156233#msg156233 why aren't samsung YH-* not in unstable category? the TargetStatus is all green |
| 19:30:27 | funman | it is nice to see work on Sansa Connect, I wish I could find a cheap device in Europe |
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| 19:32:39 | Llorean | Blue_Dude: If you don't have a fix for it, are you going to revert it until you do? |
| 19:33:02 | Blue_Dude | Yeah. I'm checking it out right now. |
| 19:33:28 | GodEater | funman: buy on from AlexP ? :) |
| 19:33:31 | GodEater | s/on/one |
| 19:34:58 | funman | AlexP: are you selling Sansa Connect ? |
| 19:36:15 | AlexP | no, I have one but not to sell |
| 19:36:32 | GodEater | hehe |
| 19:36:38 | GodEater | everything is for sale |
| 19:36:45 | AlexP | well yes |
| 19:36:54 | GodEater | it's just that the price is not always attractive :) |
| 19:39:35 | bertrik | well, DX basically has everything and for cheap |
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| 19:45:58 | CIA-43 | New commit by blue_dude (r22773): Fix red: remove buffer from IRAM |
| 19:46:48 | funman | is it the responsibility of lowlight to decide if YH-* are "unstable" ? |
| 19:47:08 | Blue_Dude | OK, I tried removing the buffer from IRAM and the performance hit on a E200 was pretty minimal. I'm not sure if other targets will be hit harder. |
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| 19:50:47 | funman | IMO the YH* could even be supported targets, the only difference with other targets being the manual availability ? |
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| 19:51:49 | AlexP | Blue_Dude: I believe they will |
| 19:51:55 | AlexP | From what I remember |
| 19:52:05 | AlexP | Blue_Dude: I can test on coldfire if that helps |
| 19:52:09 | Blue_Dude | I have no way of testing that. |
| 19:52:16 | AlexP | Blue_Dude: You can ask |
| 19:52:20 | Blue_Dude | Give it a try! Let me know. |
| 19:52:31 | Blue_Dude | Pretty please? |
| 19:52:33 | AlexP | Blue_Dude: And there is a testing page in the wiki listing who has what so you can ask people to test |
| 19:52:44 | AlexP | Blue_Dude: What am I testing? |
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| 19:53:42 | Blue_Dude | I need to see if removing that buffer from IRAM generates an unacceptable performance hit. |
| 19:53:59 | AlexP | sure, but how do I test that? |
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| 19:54:21 | AlexP | I assume I'm looking at the differencde 22771 - 22773 |
| 19:54:36 | AlexP | But how specifically do I get the performance figures? |
| 19:54:41 | Blue_Dude | Try a large limiter setting on a loud file. Use test codec to see how much time it takes to decode. |
| 19:54:46 | AlexP | ok |
| 19:54:52 | AlexP | Any specific format? |
| 19:55:06 | Blue_Dude | Do a check of the same file with 22771. Then with 22773. |
| 19:55:12 | Blue_Dude | Format doesn't matter. |
| 19:55:18 | AlexP | OK |
| 19:55:21 | Blue_Dude | Thanks! |
| 19:55:36 | AlexP | no problem, I'll do it now |
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| 19:56:07 | Blue_Dude | I did that with an e200 and there was almost no change at all. |
| 19:56:33 | AlexP | IRAM makes a big - very little difference depending on target |
| 19:56:48 | AlexP | but you'ld have to ask amiconn for details of which :) |
| 19:57:32 | Blue_Dude | That's the great unknown right now. |
| 19:58:25 | Blue_Dude | I'm just happy it compiled, but by fixing the problem of timestretch + limiter, I might have made the limited unusable on some targets. :( |
| 19:58:30 | Blue_Dude | limiter |
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| 19:59:22 | AlexP | We'll see, but if that is the case I'd say it is better to have them both working albeit independently |
| 19:59:49 | Hillshum | Can we get them to be different depending on target? |
| 19:59:51 | Blue_Dude | I agree. But how to know which ones to test? |
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| 20:00:13 | AlexP | Blue_Dude: processor I'd guess |
| 20:00:15 | Blue_Dude | Hillshum, yes but that's a can of worms. Possible though. |
| 20:01:06 | amiconn | Blue_Dude: IRAM makes almost no difference on PP502x targets, a significant difference on PP5002 targets, and a huuge difference on coldfire tarets |
| 20:01:12 | Blue_Dude | I can do a conditional compile, but I might not have the right defines available. |
| 20:01:35 | Blue_Dude | Well, maybe AlexP can provide the best answer. |
| 20:01:50 | Blue_Dude | If it works for him, that would be the worst case? |
| 20:02:01 | AlexP | I believe the early ipods are the worst case |
| 20:02:05 | amiconn | This is due to PP502x having efficient, properly functioning cache, PP5002 having efficient, but broken cache (one waitstate, making it twice as slow as IRAM), and coldfire having no data cache at all |
| 20:02:19 | AlexP | Blue_Dude: see :) |
| 20:02:37 | AlexP | amiconn: So coldfire is likely to be the worst? |
| 20:03:09 | amiconn | I'm not sure about the effect of IRAM on other swcodec targets - most of them have some IRAM, but often it isn't used by rockbox (e.g. on the Gigabeat F/X) |
| 20:03:30 | Hillshum | Should I test a Clip? |
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| 20:03:47 | Blue_Dude | amiconn: are there DEFINE settings that I can use to cull out only those targets that won't compile? |
| 20:03:48 | amiconn | On SH1 IRAM also makes a difference, but that's hwcodec, hence out of the equation for dsp |
| 20:04:00 | AlexP | Blue_Dude: I've built, I'm currently trying to get my H100 to mount |
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| 20:07:19 | Blue_Dude | Hillshum, you can try a clip. I think that the system is similar enough that you won't see much of a hit. |
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| 20:21:13 | AlexP | Blue_Dude: speed test with dsp I assume? |
| 20:21:32 | Blue_Dude | Yes indeed. |
| 20:21:48 | AlexP | ok, one mo :) |
| 20:21:53 | Blue_Dude | Make sure you enable the limiter first... |
| 20:22:22 | Blue_Dude | And use a file that's already loud. |
| 20:23:02 | AlexP | hmmm, I have no idea what files are loud |
| 20:23:17 | AlexP | everything is replaygained (which I've turned off for this) |
| 20:24:44 | Blue_Dude | You can use replaygain to make it loud. |
| 20:24:54 | AlexP | OK |
| 20:25:24 | Blue_Dude | Replaygain preamps too, so that will help. We're trying to make the thing work as hard as possible. |
| 20:25:49 | AlexP | I've turned replaygain preamp up to 12, and put the limiter on 8 |
| 20:25:54 | Blue_Dude | :) |
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| 20:27:07 | Blue_Dude | You have noclip enable for replaygain I presume? |
| 20:27:35 | AlexP | yep |
| 20:27:45 | AlexP | leave that on? |
| 20:27:48 | Blue_Dude | OK, good. |
| 20:27:56 | Blue_Dude | Yeah |
| 20:28:09 | AlexP | woohoo, I got it to mount \o/ |
| 20:30:14 | AlexP | I really dislike this w/ nomenclature - I never know if it is meant to mean with or without |
| 20:31:41 | Blue_Dude | ? |
| 20:32:26 | AlexP | Things like speed test w/ dsp - is that with our without (I know now, but everywhere you see it it means the opposite) |
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| 20:33:44 | amiconn | w/ always means "with", w/o means without. I know no different meaning... |
| 20:33:59 | amiconn | No 'o', no -out |
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| 20:34:26 | AlexP | amiconn: That isn't always followed |
| 20:34:46 | AlexP | and it is a silly abbreviation anyway |
| 20:35:03 | Blue_Dude | That was the original nomenclature. I see no good reason why it can't be spelled out though. |
| 20:35:22 | AlexP | Blue_Dude: I'm not complaining at anyone in particular, just in general :) |
| 20:35:30 | Blue_Dude | k |
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| 20:42:09 | AlexP | r22771 - 255.81% r22773 - 241% so looks not too bad in the end :) (on H140) |
| 20:42:17 | AlexP | @ Blue_Dude |
| 20:42:42 | Blue_Dude | That's not bad at all. |
| 20:43:16 | Blue_Dude | It's a hit for sure, but it's not like 120% down to 90%. |
| 20:43:43 | amiconn | That's for mp3 I presume. It will be different for other formats |
| 20:43:46 | Blue_Dude | OK, let's keep this version. |
| 20:44:24 | Blue_Dude | mp3 is probably worst case for decode speed. There's plenty of margin with those numbers. |
| 20:44:40 | AlexP | amiconn: Yes, mp3 |
| 20:44:45 | amiconn | No it's not; it depends on target architecture |
| 20:45:03 | amiconn | On coldfire, mp3 is pretty efficient |
| 20:45:04 | AlexP | amiconn: Do you know which is likely to be worst on coldfire? |
| 20:45:23 | AlexP | (save ape) |
| 20:45:38 | * | amiconn was about to mention ape :) |
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| 20:45:58 | amiconn | But ape at high levels is worst on all targets |
| 20:46:04 | AlexP | yep |
| 20:46:22 | Blue_Dude | Would ape be bad enough *not* to keep this version? |
| 20:46:46 | Blue_Dude | 256% down to 241% looks acceptable to me... |
| 20:46:48 | amiconn | There were two formats where speed order was different between coldfire and PP. |
| 20:47:08 | amiconn | One of them was mp3, but I don't remember the other |
| 20:47:39 | AlexP | Blue_Dude: http://www.rockbox.org/wiki/SoundCodecMonkeysAudio#Performance :) |
| 20:47:39 | amiconn | Blue_Dude: I agree, but then faster is always better (as long as it's not broken of course) |
| 20:47:42 | Blue_Dude | What's the address to check out the 3.4 branch? |
| 20:47:55 | AlexP | Blue_Dude: There was a mail to the dev list with it |
| 20:48:05 | Blue_Dude | I'll go back and check... |
| 20:48:50 | amiconn | AlexP: Reminds me - I wanted to make APE -c2000 realtime on PP (by going dualcore) |
| 20:49:16 | AlexP | good luck :) |
| 20:50:28 | amiconn | Well, it's not far off. APE decoding consists of 3 stages - entropy decoding, filtering, and the predictor. -c1000 does no filtering at all, and the higher levels add more and more filtering |
| 20:50:31 | AlexP | ogg with r22773 is 150 % on coldfire |
| 20:51:05 | Blue_Dude | Yep, there it is... |
| 20:51:07 | amiconn | If I put filtering on the COP, -c2000 would be as fast as -c1000 is now |
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| 20:51:39 | amiconn | But I'd like to make -c3000 realtime as well, and that will be hard |
| 20:52:19 | amiconn | With the dualcore split, -c1000 should be almost 200% realtime on PP |
| 20:52:36 | amiconn | (putting the predictor on the COP too) |
| 20:52:53 | Blue_Dude | I'm going to apply this patch to v3.4 to clear FS #10572. Is there anything special to do other than commit it? |
| 20:53:13 | AlexP | One mo, I'm just checking ogg |
| 20:53:25 | AlexP | but no, just commit from the brach |
| 20:53:31 | AlexP | *branch |
| 20:54:32 | Blue_Dude | k |
| 20:54:51 | Blue_Dude | still checking out the branch. :) |
| 20:56:09 | AlexP | ogg is fine too 156.5% - 150% |
| 20:56:24 | AlexP | or vorbis rather |
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| 21:04:42 | CIA-43 | New commit by blue_dude (r22774): Fixes FS #10572: Timestretch + limiter is broken |
| 21:04:57 | Blue_Dude | That should do it. |
| 21:07:31 | Blue_Dude | Thanks for the help, guys. |
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| 21:37:22 | Grahack | somebody noticed the encoding problem of http://www.rockbox.org/wiki/ReleaseNotes34#Credits ? Is it ok if I try to fix it ? BTW, are there only commiters in this list ? |
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| 21:39:48 | domonoky1 | Grahack: feel free to fix. |
| 21:40:10 | CIA-43 | New commit by amiconn (r22775): Fix splash on charcell (was wasting 2 precious chars per line since r20870). This fixes the volume splash in wps, as it doesn't wrap anymore, but it's ... |
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| 21:40:35 | * | amiconn slaps kugel a bit |
| 21:41:21 | amiconn | Now I need to checkout & fix the branch :\ |
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| 21:43:18 | kugel | seems like a critical bug! |
| 21:43:59 | amiconn | Well, it wastes 2 out of 11 chars per line, for all splashes... |
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| 21:45:32 | JdGordon| | oh noes! |
| 21:45:37 | domonoky1 | thats nearly 20% of waste. |
| 21:46:38 | CIA-43 | New commit by amiconn (r22776): Fix splash on charcell (was wasting 2 precious chars per line since r20870). This fixes the volume splash in wps, as it doesn't wrap anymore, but it's ... |
| 21:47:39 | kugel | A real release breaker :) But yea, seems I overlooked a single (out of a dozen) usages of that #defines where it wasn't used for bitmap only Sorry |
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| 21:48:04 | domonoky1 | kugel: life is hard... :-) |
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| 21:50:09 | * | kugel tries to blame the fact that we have more #ifdefs for that Player than total users :p |
| 21:51:01 | amiconn | That's partially an artificial problem |
| 21:51:01 | domonoky1 | how cares about users ? :-) |
| 21:51:03 | gevaerts | kugel: I'm sure that that's true for more than the Player |
| 21:51:11 | DavidKauffmann | Hey, Alexander Levin got my name wrong, Alex parker got it right. if anyone could fix this minor issue in docs/credits? It's spelled with 2 FFs Kauffmann |
| 21:51:18 | pixelma | kugel: I was made aware of that bug (the broken Vol: splash) by a user in the forums... which is not amiconn :P |
| 21:51:35 | amiconn | Looks like wps viewports are (unnecessarily) excluded for charcell |
| 21:51:45 | AlexP | DavidKauffmann: Yes, will do - I'm about to have a fiddle with CREDITS anyway |
| 21:52:03 | kugel | yea, viewports for 11x2 seems totally usefull |
| 21:52:19 | DavidKauffmann | thanks and thanks for adding the patch. have a nice day. |
| 21:52:21 | pixelma | kugel: less ifefs. as. you. say |
| 21:52:27 | pixelma | ifdefs too |
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| 21:52:48 | amiconn | Even if it's not that useful, it would save ifdefs. Even more than just those in the viewport code itself |
| 21:52:50 | kugel | I think I haven't even seen a single .wps for the Player at all (except the default one) |
| 21:52:55 | gevaerts | kugel: why would they be less useful depending on resolution? |
| 21:53:12 | AlexP | So as brought up earlier I'd like to move people who are only in credits-manual into credits and bin credits-manual - I don't see why it is seperate. Any objections? |
| 21:53:41 | amiconn | This update_onvol_change() only exists because of that "Vol:" splash on charcell - that splash could be implemented using a viewport, and the whole function with its #ifdef removed |
| 21:53:51 | kugel | gevaerts: that may be true, but I claim the ratio is worst on the Player |
| 21:53:52 | gevaerts | viewports make managing screen space easier, so if anything they would be more useful |
| 21:54:03 | pixelma | kugel: which is the default one? And then you didn't look closely enough |
| 21:54:12 | kugel | it feels like the win ratio to win in the lottery was lower |
| 21:54:21 | * | gevaerts claims that viewports are more useful on the Player than on the ipod video |
| 21:54:41 | kugel | whatever, I'm all for less #ifdefs |
| 21:54:53 | pixelma | nice turn |
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| 22:00:19 | MG_Man | I noticed the Fuze got added to themes.rockbox.org |
| 22:00:23 | MG_Man | And it has no themes |
| 22:00:34 | AlexP | yes, it has no checkwps yet |
| 22:00:38 | AlexP | as far as I am aware |
| 22:00:38 | MG_Man | Has nobody realized all iPod Color/irivr h300 skins are compatible? |
| 22:00:40 | MG_Man | Ah |
| 22:00:54 | JdGordon| | oh my GOD! you're freeing KIDDING!? |
| 22:00:58 | JdGordon| | +k |
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| 22:01:10 | MG_Man | :| |
| 22:01:15 | MG_Man | I was just wondering |
| 22:01:41 | JdGordon| | click both... amazingly they will both show the same thmes |
| 22:01:54 | MG_Man | I meant, as in |
| 22:01:58 | MG_Man | They are compatible with the Fuze |
| 22:02:01 | MG_Man | Same resolution |
| 22:02:16 | pixelma | except ones that include RWPSs I think |
| 22:02:26 | MG_Man | well yes |
| 22:02:33 | MG_Man | but the iPod color doesn't have that either |
| 22:02:39 | pixelma | maybe I remembered wrong though |
| 22:02:42 | MG_Man | I think it's allowed but not used |
| 22:03:10 | JdGordon| | why on earth is the e200 and e200v2 split on the theme site? that makes no sense |
| 22:03:32 | JdGordon| | ditto the ipod mini's |
| 22:03:40 | MG_Man | Also http://themes.rockbox.org/index.php?target=ipodcolor, the first theme's screenshot seems to be broken |
| 22:04:33 | AlexP | So it does |
| 22:04:37 | * | AlexP prods rasher |
| 22:05:40 | JdGordon| | thats been there for months |
| 22:05:53 | JdGordon| | oh, no. different one |
| 22:06:19 | rasher | JdGordon|: merging them means more special-casing everywhere |
| 22:06:33 | JdGordon| | fair enough, but it seems silly |
| 22:06:40 | * | rasher shrugs |
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| 22:08:04 | rasher | AlexP: hm, weird.. that theme is not in the filesystem at all :\ |
| 22:08:25 | AlexP | heh, nice :) |
| 22:09:39 | rasher | err |
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| 22:10:54 | rasher | oh err, it's 160x128 |
| 22:11:01 | rasher | not sure what's happened there |
| 22:11:42 | kugel | JdGordon|: that's for rbutil |
| 22:12:03 | kugel | pixelma: the rwps ones will work (although I don't think there is one). the rwps is simply ignored |
| 22:13:15 | pixelma | sure they work on target, but I thought they are excluded in the list (for e.g. the Ipod Color) |
| 22:14:06 | kugel | I don't think so, and they shouldn't be...for the reason they work on target |
| 22:14:10 | JdGordon| | no reason to exlude them... |
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| 22:14:36 | JdGordon| | it would be nice if remotes were on the theme site also, but yeah.... |
| 22:16:28 | pixelma | well, I remember a case where an H100 theme showed up wrong on the H300 page but obviously not the Ipod Color one (which is fixed but that's why I think they are treated differently) |
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| 22:17:40 | pixelma | if they are not excluded, Ipod Color or Fuze users will get a useless RWPS file because they are currently part of the theme |
| 22:18:07 | rasher | Is that a problem? |
| 22:18:23 | * | JdGordon| doesnt think so |
| 22:18:36 | rasher | Something funky is going on about screen resolutions |
| 22:18:37 | AlexP | I'd prefer to get a wider range of themes |
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| 22:18:49 | AlexP | A few extra files in a directory I never look in doesn't worry me |
| 22:19:00 | rasher | Themes are showing up for targets with different resolutions |
| 22:19:18 | JdGordon| | can rbutil be changed to go by screen res instead of a target name to avoid these shared size issues? |
| 22:19:40 | pixelma | not for me, but I would like it better if RWPSs were treated as screens on their own - but then they can be RWPS on one target and WPS on the other :\ |
| 22:19:51 | rasher | We *want* themes to be listed for all applicable targets |
| 22:20:00 | rasher | Rather than whatever the author selected |
| 22:20:07 | AlexP | i agree |
| 22:20:48 | AlexP | It'd be good if for targets with lcd remotes a theme had a little note saying "includes rwps" or something |
| 22:21:02 | AlexP | If it had one that is :) |
| 22:22:10 | rasher | okay, now no more missing screenshots.. |
| 22:22:18 | rasher | however the problem is more obvious now :) |
| 22:22:24 | scorche | Zagor: following up on your previous highlights of me, you need to send an email to ilines@freenode.net to update the gateway cloak |
| 22:22:39 | Zagor | scorche: ok |
| 22:23:14 | scorche | Zagor: alos, i assume you have seen this? https://groups.google.com/group/google-summer-of-code-mentors-list/web/mentoring-organization-payments-for-google-summer-of-code-2009?pli=1 |
| 22:23:14 | pixelma | and there's a small problem with font sizes as long as the font size is not different for the remote (so you couldn't just say "I like that m200 theme, why not use it as RWPS" for mine, or even not as theoretical if you want to share the RWPS between H100 and H300) |
| 22:23:47 | Zagor | scorche: no, I'm not a mentor (and hence not a member) |
| 22:24:06 | domonoky1 | rasher: whats the status about new checkwps builds for the theme site ? |
| 22:24:25 | Zagor | I did get a shirt though... :-) |
| 22:24:30 | scorche | o_O |
| 22:24:48 | pixelma | (in my proposal to have the remote screens on their own) |
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| 22:27:26 | JdGordon| | we really need to enable multi-font on multi-screen targets... even a stupid implementation so its just one ui font for each screen |
| 22:27:39 | rasher | domonoky1: done |
| 22:27:48 | domonoky1 | nice :-) |
| 22:28:07 | rasher | domonoky1: except there's no e200v2 checkwps built - needs to be added to tools/checkwps/targets.txt afaics |
| 22:28:25 | domonoky1 | ah, and fuze too ? |
| 22:28:47 | rasher | I think so |
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| 22:31:35 | domonoky1 | hm, the buildall script doesnt work on cygwin so i cant test. can someone else add those to lines please ? :-) |
| 22:31:46 | domonoky1 | s/to/two/ |
| 22:32:31 | kugel | gevaerts: do you now see that build-all.sh is important? :) |
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| 22:33:57 | domonoky1 | oh, it works, just wrong lineendings for me :-) |
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| 22:34:58 | Zagor | how many gsoc projects do we have this year? |
| 22:35:34 | domonoky1 | we had 5 |
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| 22:37:15 | kugel | domonoky: unfortunately you cannot use rbutil to install on the fuze |
| 22:37:27 | kugel | it expects rockbox-sansafuze.zip, which doesn't exist |
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| 22:37:42 | kugel | the target names really ought be be cleaned up |
| 22:38:16 | domonoky | yet another targetname ? |
| 22:38:41 | domonoky | the buildserver should use the sansaxxx naming type, as it does for the other sansa targets. |
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| 22:41:40 | CIA-43 | New commit by Domonoky (r22777): add fuze and e200v2 to checkwps build list. |
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| 22:43:49 | domonoky | Bagder, Zagor: does it do any harm if we change the name of two targets (fuze and clip) in the builds list of the buildserver ? |
| 22:44:51 | Zagor | domonoky: some things will break but we need to do it sooner or later anyhow. there are more targets that need renaming. |
| 22:45:21 | domonoky | then i will change fuze and clip, so rbutil works. :-) |
| 22:45:27 | MG_Man | Now it seems Plain_v2 is in the wrong DAP - it seems to be made for iAudioX5 and compatible |
| 22:45:54 | domonoky | other naming changes would be good, but will break rbutil, so we need to be prepared to make a new one :-) |
| 22:46:50 | CIA-43 | New commit by Domonoky (r22778): change the targetname of fuze and clip for the buildserver to match other sansa target. |
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| 22:49:12 | Bagder | we should use rasher's name table and make a decision, once and for all |
| 22:49:25 | MG_Man | um. right. the wiki seems to be broken |
| 22:49:29 | Bagder | maybe a vote is the way |
| 22:49:29 | Zagor | rasher has a table? |
| 22:49:36 | rasher | rasher.dk/rockbox/targetnames.php">http://rasher.dk/rockbox/targetnames.php |
| 22:49:44 | rasher | Tries to be more consistent |
| 22:49:50 | Zagor | MG_Man: care to share some details? |
| 22:50:06 | MG_Man | here it comes... |
| 22:50:07 | MG_Man | Software error: |
| 22:50:08 | MG_Man | flush(): couldn't store datastr: store(): couldn't open '/sites/rockbox.org/foswiki/working/tmp/cgisess_4f135d2217f34aab094f2ae6082defbd': Permission denied at /sites/rockbox.org/foswiki/lib/Foswiki/LoginManager.pm line 588. |
| 22:50:09 | DBUG | Enqueued KICK MG_Man |
| 22:50:09 | MG_Man | For help, please send mail to the webmaster (bjorn@rockbox.org), giving this error message and the time and date of the error. |
| 22:50:40 | MG_Man | There's a second part too |
| 22:50:41 | MG_Man | Software error: |
| 22:50:42 | MG_Man | [Mon Sep 21 22:49:55 2009] view: flush(): couldn't store datastr: store(): couldn't open '/sites/rockbox.org/foswiki/working/tmp/cgisess_4f135d2217f34aab094f2ae6082defbd': Permission denied at /sites/rockbox.org/foswiki/lib/Foswiki/LoginManager.pm line 588. |
| 22:50:43 | MG_Man | at /usr/share/perl/5.10/CGI/Carp.pm line 356 |
| 22:50:44 | *** | Alert Mode level 1 |
| 22:50:44 | MG_Man | CGI::Carp::realdie('[Mon Sep 21 22:49:55 2009] view: flush(): couldn\'t store dat...') called at /usr/share/perl/5.10/CGI/Carp.pm line 457 |
| 22:50:45 | *** | Alert Mode level 2 |
| 22:50:45 | MG_Man | CGI::Carp::die('flush(): couldn\'t store datastr: store(): couldn\'t open \'/...') called at /sites/rockbox.org/foswiki/lib/Foswiki/LoginManager.pm line 588 |
| 22:50:46 | *** | Alert Mode level 3 |
| 22:50:46 | MG_Man | Foswiki::LoginManager::userLoggedIn('Foswiki::LoginManager::ApacheLogin=HASH(0x8b847a8)', undef) called at /sites/rockbox.org/foswiki/lib/Foswiki/LoginManager.pm line 412 |
| 22:50:49 | MG_Man | Foswiki::LoginManager::loadSession('Foswiki::LoginManager::ApacheLogin=HASH(0x8b847a8)', undef) called at /sites/rockbox.org/foswiki/lib/Foswiki/Users.pm line 100 |
| 22:50:51 | rasher | MG_Man: don't do that again |
| 22:50:52 | MG_Man | Foswiki::Users::new('Foswiki::Users', 'Foswiki=HASH(0x85ee150)') called at /sites/rockbox.org/foswiki/lib/Foswiki.pm line 1426 |
| 22:50:55 | AlexP | MG_Man: pastebin please |
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| 22:51:03 | MG_Man | Foswiki::new('Foswiki', undef, 'Foswiki::Request=HASH(0x893e470)', 'HASH(0x892c268)') called at /sites/rockbox.org/foswiki/lib/Foswiki/UI.pm line 293 |
| 22:51:04 | DBUG | Q-Sent KICK MG_Man to server |
| 22:51:04 | MG_Man | Foswiki::UI::_execute('Foswiki::Request=HASH(0x893e470)', 'CODE(0x893e040)', 'view', 1) called at /sites/rockbox.org/foswiki/lib/Foswiki/UI.pm line 275 |
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| 22:51:10 | AlexP | go logbot :) |
| 22:51:12 | #>> | "took you long enough" by rasher (n=rasher@rockbox/developer/rasher) |
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| 22:51:22 | scorche | i had to op him first.. |
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| 22:51:23 | domonoky | rasher: currently we have some more varietys in rockbox naming.. for example ipodmini and ipodmini2g. |
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| 22:51:34 | MG_Man | Sorry about that |
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| 22:51:36 | * | JdGordon| prefers company-model from that table |
| 22:51:44 | rasher | domonoky: yes? |
| 22:51:59 | domonoky | yes, the first doesnt have a generation naming. |
| 22:52:09 | rasher | This is what the table is meant to fix. |
| 22:52:15 | MG_Man | http://pastebin.com/m4f11f8f5 |
| 22:52:23 | rasher | It's suggestions for new names |
| 22:52:27 | JdGordon| | I think the normalised model names shuold be different though |
| 22:52:46 | rasher | JdGordon|: in which way? |
| 22:53:20 | JdGordon| | 100 and 500 for the mrobes I really dont like |
| 22:53:42 | rasher | JdGordon|: but that's the model number.. |
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| 22:54:04 | JdGordon| | sounds funny... but yeah I guess if its consistant then its better |
| 22:54:25 | rasher | I think it is |
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| 22:56:54 | Zagor | MG_Man: what triggered this? |
| 22:57:02 | MG_Man | Going to the wiki |
| 22:57:14 | MG_Man | I was originally going to read the Fuze page but any pagr triggers it |
| 22:57:17 | MG_Man | page* |
| 22:57:35 | Zagor | are you logged in? |
| 22:57:40 | MG_Man | No |
| 22:57:45 | MG_Man | Regardless, it seems to work now |
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| 23:01:45 | Zagor | rasher: I like the "company/linemodel" version best. it cleans up the list without changing too many. |
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| 23:06:53 | rasher | True |
| 23:07:17 | froggyman | has anyone here ever had problems with iPod batteries from eForcity ? |
| 23:07:26 | rasher | froggyman: off topic |
| 23:07:55 | rasher | I quite like the hyphenated version, but if changing as few as possible is a plus, I can go for company/linemodel |
| 23:09:41 | Zagor | we use hyphens as "field separator" in some places, such as rockbox-mrobe100-20090915.zip |
| 23:10:07 | Zagor | I like that the model does not look like two fields there |
| 23:10:41 | Zagor | though having a hyphen would by no means cause any problems |
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| 23:17:00 | rasher | sansa-e200 just looks nicer than sansae200 |
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| 23:18:14 | * | JdGordon| agrees |
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| 23:19:39 | Zagor | then again, are users ever supposed to see those names? |
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| 23:20:07 | Zagor | and I want *everything* to use these names, including the config-xxx.h files |
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| 23:20:40 | JdGordon| | config-sansa-e200.h ? |
| 23:20:42 | JdGordon| | yuck |
| 23:20:57 | JdGordon| | keymap-sansa-e200.h :( |
| 23:20:59 | Zagor | ooh, one really good reason to use hyphens: it's immediately visible if the files/code is updated with the new names or not. |
| 23:21:40 | JdGordon| | if any renaming happens... can all the config-xxx.h files go into firmware/export/config/<target>.h ? |
| 23:21:45 | amiconn | Doesn't make sense for the keymaps, as they're usually used for a whole group of targets |
| 23:22:20 | Bagder | JdGordon: that's a neat idea I like |
| 23:22:26 | Zagor | JdGordon|: sounds reasonable |
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| 23:30:25 | CIA-43 | New commit by rob (r22779): Allow seeking using the progress bar on the touch-enabled Cabbiev2 (currently only used by m:robe500 320x240). |
| 23:33:43 | * | kugel doesn't want too long names |
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| 23:34:38 | kugel | I don't think we have to be overly strict and should be able to have exceptions for a few model lines, such as sansa/ipods don't really need the sandisk in front also |
| 23:35:06 | kugel | the most important part is that it's consistent within the same model line anyway |
| 23:35:30 | JdGordon| | tf get . /r |
| 23:35:33 | JdGordon| | arg |
| 23:35:49 | kugel | sandisk/apple* |
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| 23:43:29 | kugel | JdGordon: I'd like to have d in the long term (for consistency, code decrease and clarity). It should be possible to support both, and d for drawing. We could have a "compatibility period" and cut off somewhere in the future (for example for 3.5) |
| 23:43:50 | JdGordon| | I hugely disagree..... there is no need for it at all... |
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| 23:44:39 | JdGordon| | there is a big difference between Xl/Xd and Cl/C |
| 23:44:43 | kugel | I highly dislike the current hack |
| 23:44:57 | kugel | %?C would stay |
| 23:45:25 | JdGordon| | the better fix is to add an easy way to check if the current token is in a conditional or not... |
| 23:45:29 | JdGordon| | not to add a new token |
| 23:45:51 | kugel | what's the problem with an additional token? |
| 23:46:09 | JdGordon| | its unessecary, and it will break every theme |
| 23:46:17 | kugel | internally there won't be a new token |
| 23:46:27 | kugel | you did actually read what I wrote? |
| 23:46:37 | JdGordon| | yes, and thats a bad idea |
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| 23:47:00 | JdGordon| | supporting both means its pointless... and compatability time is just stupid |
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| 23:47:20 | kugel | can I have some real arguments please? |
| 23:47:26 | JdGordon| | the "hack" is perfectly safe |
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| 23:48:25 | JdGordon| | %Cd will not make it more consistant, or more friendly for users... especially if we ever want to go next AA image... |
| 23:48:36 | JdGordon| | in which case %c should be this image and %C is next... |
| 23:48:45 | JdGordon| | or if we must %C and %Cn |
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| 23:48:58 | JdGordon| | making that %Cd and %Cnd |
| 23:49:35 | JdGordon| | so to avoid a slight annoyance in the code you want to add the first 3 letter token (excluding %xd*) |
| 23:49:53 | kugel | uhm no? |
| 23:50:07 | kugel | %Vda is a 3 letter token? |
| 23:50:41 | JdGordon| | a is not part of the token there.... |
| 23:50:55 | kugel | internally yes |
| 23:51:00 | kugel | that totally doesn't matter for the user |
| 23:51:28 | kugel | and internally it totally doesn't matter how much chars such a thing has (besides I wouldn't even use n for next aa) |
| 23:51:31 | JdGordon| | anyway, its a bad idea... if you want to avoid the hack then fix the code to add a isconditionalToken() which is fairly easy to do |
| 23:51:47 | kugel | you still lack real arguments |
| 23:52:05 | kugel | "it's stupid" "it's pointless" "it's a bad idea"...great |
| 23:52:07 | JdGordon| | as do you |
| 23:52:33 | JdGordon| | brb |
| 23:52:35 | kugel | it removes a hack and actually reduces needed code |
| 23:52:53 | kugel | as well as being more consistent with other tags that pre-load something |
| 23:53:06 | kugel | or display something loaded |
| 23:53:57 | rasher | kugel: that's what the company/line bit is about |
| 23:54:15 | rasher | It uses the product line if one is available, or the company line otherwise |
| 23:54:28 | rasher | Means we get ipod3g but archos-fmrecorder |
| 23:54:38 | rasher | And it's still internally consistent |
| 23:55:05 | JdGordon| | kugel: %Cl *DOES NOT* preload the image... thats why its different to regular images... |
| 23:55:13 | kugel | rasher: yea I like that |
| 23:55:40 | rasher | Zagor: No, I don't think users should see them ever. It's fairly unimportant |
| 23:55:45 | kugel | it does. album art isn't loaded without that line |
| 23:56:02 | JdGordon| | yes, but it doesnt mean that if that line is there, album art gets loaded |
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| 23:56:47 | JdGordon| | btw, if you want to make a big breaking change (which I would consider this to be), the onus is on you to come up with the compelling reason to change, not for me... |
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| 23:56:57 | kugel | that's not a reason to not have %Cd |
| 23:57:34 | kugel | it won't be a big breaking change if a sufficiently large period for compatibility is provided |
| 23:57:37 | JdGordon| | I'm not against %Cd per se... I'm saying the breaking change is a really bad idea and totally unnessecary |
| 23:58:06 | JdGordon| | sufficiently large being what? 6 months?! |
| 23:58:10 | JdGordon| | 12 months? |
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| 23:58:13 | JdGordon| | 3 weeks? |
| 23:58:24 | kugel | 3 month should be plenty, but 6 month is ok too |
| 23:58:42 | JdGordon| | then whats the point of the change happening? after that long it will be forgotten about |
| 23:58:51 | kugel | I won't forget about it |
| 23:58:53 | JdGordon| | and "oh its been like that for too long, just leave it as is" |
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