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#rockbox log for 2009-09-23

00:01:05bfrHello, I got an error that said bootloader mismatch. aborting. Could I get some help with this please?
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00:01:39bertrikfunman, I only have a clip v1 and no immediate plans to buy a clipv2, fuzev2 or clip+
00:01:52kugelbertrik: the installation is on the wiki
00:02:19kugelbfr: ^
00:03:25kugelor in the manual, depending on which e280 you're using exaclty
00:03:35kugelI dont think sansapatcher can display that error
00:03:38bfrits not the r, i know that
00:03:57kugelhave you used rbutil?
00:04:07bfrno i havent
00:04:20kugelZagor: when was that?
00:04:36bfrwait, nvm, i have used that
00:05:43Zagorkugel: yesterday.
00:05:56bfrI get the error while trying to install rockbox with the rbutil, and it says bootloader mismatch, aborting
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00:07:15kugelah cool I didn't notice that one. I suspected such an easy change was needed :)
00:07:59bfrI clicked download and it took me to a page with some code, i dont know what to do with it, lol, sorry for being so ignorant.
00:08:38kugelcode? I don't think so
00:08:49kugelclick the file you need for your OS
00:10:13bfrI am here. =)
00:10:40kugelwhere did you click on in the first place?
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00:10:55kugelthe link Zagor posted...that was totally unrelated
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00:11:02bfrdownload on yesterdays build
00:11:32kugeljust download rbutil and run it
00:11:38kugelit can install everything for you
00:12:25bfrI have rbutilqt, and thats where im getting the error
00:14:57kugelno idea then, I'm no rbutil pro
00:16:04bfri got it going
00:16:10bfrthanks for your help guys
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00:44:57CIA-43New commit by kugel (r22789): Remove the YH925 from the unusable category.
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00:45:54bfrhey, how do i set a folder to show all files? my MUSIC folder is gone on my sansa
00:46:12kugelas described in the manual
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00:47:58bfrwhich bookmark in the manuel would it be under?
00:48:08Blue_Dudekugel: ping!
00:48:37kugelbfr: I recommend you to read the whole thing
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00:48:48Blue_DudeFixed the timestretch + limiter thing for ya. I came across a fix when I was looking for something else. Was just a bug on my part.
00:49:04kugelthat's what I assumed :)
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00:49:24Blue_DudeWhat?! You assumed it was *my* bug?
00:49:25bfrThat is a great idea kugel, but im only limited to about five more minutes, can you please tell me how to work around this?
00:49:26kugeli.e. that you saw the fix when working on your limiter rework
00:50:12kugelno, by no means I'd dare to assume you make buggy code :)
00:50:20Blue_DudeHeavens, no.
00:51:13Blue_DudeAnyway the rework is 90% done. Gonna toss the whole buffer thing I think. I run out of IRAM on some targets and it's too slow without it.
00:51:45bfrim on vista, can someone please tell me how to show all files so i can listen to my music on my sansa e280
00:53:22kugeltoss the buffer thing?
00:54:09kugelbfr: move the cursor on "Files", hold select, and select "Show Files" in the pop up
00:57:05bfrit keeps saying connected when its not, omg,
00:57:11Blue_Dudekugel: Yeah, I'm probably going to ax the lookahead buffer. I put a lot of time into making it work, but it's more trouble than it's worth now.
00:57:58kugelyou don't actually need it?
00:59:04kugelZagor: I forgot to remove it from the unstable list, may I ask you for another site update?
00:59:17Zagorkugel: done
00:59:38kugelawesome, I saw it comming that my first commit to www wouldn't be flawless :/
00:59:40Blue_DudeWell, yeah I do, but the job gets done without it. There's probably some degradation in there but darned if I can actually hear the difference.
00:59:56kugelI just hope ohloh doesn't show that I edited website code now :)
01:00:05kugelbad for my image :p
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01:01:03Blue_DudeAnd if I can't hear it, it's not important. You wouldn't use a compressor for critical listening anyway.
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01:02:54Blue_DudeI do hate to see it go. All that work!
01:07:31kugelIt's for a greater good :)
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01:13:27Blue_DudeMaybe some assembly language would take the edge off...
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01:39:38FlynDicekugel: does it work for you to copy a file from internal to microSD on your fuze with current SVN?
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01:57:32bfrI just want to say thanks for all who helped me, im in complete love with rock box
02:03:15JdGordonfml: thats the change I didnt want to do... it will break when the token doesnt find the setting
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02:48:37CIA-43New commit by moos (r22790): French translation: minor rewording for one string.
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04:28:32SBertlsonI've got an e200v2 that is behaving strangely. When I either use the HOLD/|<< button or when I bridge the 2 pins inside, I get 2 devices showing up on linux with the log showing each having a single 512 byte sector...also lots of unhandled sense code / I/O errors in syslog.
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05:15:48SBertlsonMy son did the bridge pin thing a number of months back and it seemed to work, but since we fooled with it, the e200v2 gives write errors and the database refreshes _every_ time it is powered on. We've tried having it do a format and it appears to succeed, but has no effect. Power on / off also takes more than 30 seconds every time.
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11:00:47CIA-43New commit by kugel (r22794): Fix checkwps (configure actually) to compile without SDL, and add samsung YH* to targets.txt
11:03:05funmanIf i build a yh920 bootloader, should it be done from some svn branch ?
11:03:26funmanwith a release number changed or something (is there any instructions for that?)
11:04:35kugelrasher: I accidentally put yh925-small.jpg instead of .png in the field, can you correct that please?
11:04:53kugelfunman: checkout the bootloader branch
11:05:33funmanbootloader_ams_pp ?
11:05:39kugelyes. then just build, without changing anything
11:05:57kugelcheck whether it works and send it to Bagder :)
11:06:04rasherkugel: done
11:06:50kugelI added the yh* to checkwps targets. What's needed now to get themes for them?
11:09:13funmani can't build normal build from the branch
11:09:31funman/media/bordel/rb-branch/bootloader_ams_pp/tools/root.make:61: /media/bordel/rb-branch/bootloader_ams_pp/apps/bootloader.make: No such file or directory
11:09:53kugelthe branch is for bootloader anyways
11:10:03kugelnot sure if normal builds work from it
11:10:34kugelthere's no bootloader.make in apps, I wonder how that error happens
11:10:41funmanthe file output of yh920 isn't good
11:10:48funmani need to check with pyro_maniac
11:11:37kugelwhat file output?
11:11:39funmanfw_yh920.mi4 works, PP5020.mi4 doesn't
11:12:09kugelah yea. I seem to remember that he said that PP5020.mi4 works on certain versions
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11:14:03kugelfunman: there's possibly a comment about it on the tracker task that added rbutil support
11:14:27kugelrbutil can handle both IIUC
11:15:10funmanyes there are different USB PID
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11:26:07rasherkugel: themes are there now
11:29:17kugelcool, it just needed some time?
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11:36:42rasherkugel: Well yes, they would have appeared eventually, but I re-ran the needed stuff manually
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11:37:16dionoeaHello. Why isn't the sansa clip (v1) mentioned on the rockbox homepage? (in the unusable targets list)
11:37:38pyro_maniacfunman: what do you want to check?
11:38:03funmanpyro_maniac: does rockbox boot if you rename PP5020.mi4 to fw_yh920.mi4 ?
11:38:30pyro_maniaclet me have a look into my bootloader
11:38:31funmandionoea: hi, playback isn't stable enough atm (that may change soon)
11:38:50funmanoh, unusable
11:38:58funmanwell it will go to unstable soon
11:40:15pyro_maniacfunman: the bootloader i got (v1.05) only looks for SYSTEM\PP5020.MI4 SYSTEM\PP5020.BIN
11:40:57pyro_maniacbut yours (v2.05) looks for SYSTEM\FW_YH920.MI4 SYSTEM\PP5020.BIN
11:40:58funmancould we have rbutil use the original bootloader filename ?
11:41:09funmanoh, then PP5020.bin would be ok
11:41:38pyro_maniaci think so either
11:42:03pyro_maniaceither = too :-)
11:42:09funmanno it doesn't work
11:43:30funmanI see the string in the bootloader though
11:44:04pyro_maniacbut wasn't there a special change in rbutil for this case?
11:44:20pyro_maniacto handle two names for one target
11:45:30funmanthe 6.0 bootloader works at least
11:45:48funmancan you test it ?
11:46:48pyro_maniaci use r22763
11:47:38pyro_maniacand it works
11:47:49funmani send you the one i built from branch at your address, if it works we'll release it
11:47:51pyro_maniacthis should be newer than the 6.0
11:49:13pyro_maniacok but that have to waint until the evening because i got no cable here at work
11:49:41pyro_maniacthere are also the svgs missing i think
11:49:56funmanno hurry
11:52:43pyro_maniackugel: do you know the name of the 925 usb chip?
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11:56:55funmanpyro_maniac: btw thanks for your work on yh920 & others
11:57:56pyro_maniacI have to thank for the great result! :-)
12:01:19funmandionoea: if clipv1 can go soon to unstable, i am not so sure about m200v4 (other problems) and c200v2 (really low memory size with color lcd), so they should all 3 go to unusable
12:06:20pyro_maniacfunman: i don't know if i asked you this before but has your yh920 battery drain after shutdown too?
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12:08:09funmanhum i don't remember
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12:08:27pyro_maniacmaybe you can have a look
12:08:37funmanbattery readout needs to be calibrated but i'm not sure how
12:08:48funmani have a battery_bench.txt, i think lowlight would look at it
12:09:14pyro_maniackugel made it for the yh925
12:22:07polobricolodoes rockbox have support for multiple indepentant drives
12:22:41funmanlike multiple hard drives you will interchange while the device is off ?
12:23:55polobricolono in fact what i woul like to do is connect an SD card to an uC (Atmega) and comunicate to it trough UART for the nano 2G as 2GB is a bit short
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12:24:27polobricoloso the ipod would have the nand and the SD card
12:24:53funmanyes it's supported, several devices have 2 different storages (IDE/SD, NAND/MMC etc..)
12:25:10funmansome have 2 different SD devices (internal storage and external slot)
12:25:28polobricolowhat device so i could check the config file ?
12:27:33funmanconfig-ondavx747.h:#define CONFIG_STORAGE (STORAGE_NAND | STORAGE_SD)
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12:28:40polobricolofunman: thanks
12:32:41funmangreppel: I don't believe any touchscreen target is supported as in "stable" however the D2 is "unstable"
12:32:55funmanthe other targets with a touchscreen are the onda i believe
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12:34:08greppelthat's also a "unstable" target (or better said, it's not included in the svn)?
12:34:42funmanall listed targets are included in svn, the stable/unstable/unusable is just a way to say how much is working
12:35:58greppelsorry, maybe im not expressing correctly what I mean, still trying to find my bearings in all this
12:36:30CIA-43New commit by funman (r22795): Add Clipv1 m200v4 & c200v2 to unusable ports
12:36:31greppelI have setup an svn environment recently with the purpose of making the manual for the Cowon D2
12:36:51greppelso i did all the stuuf on the ManualHowTo page
12:37:54greppelI am now sort of looking at all the configs from the targets I get when I do an svn co
12:38:30greppelas far as manual stuff is concerned, all I see then are the supported targets
12:39:18funmanthe d2 might have no manual at all
12:39:26greppelit hasn't
12:39:33greppelthat's what I am trying to do now
12:40:05greppelI am trying to figure out what has to be done to get a working manual for the D2
12:41:01funmanyou can look at revision log for r21645 (Start of an Iaudio M3 manual)
12:45:05greppelDo you happen to know if that's a touchscreen target?
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12:45:47funmanno it isn't
12:46:05funmanyou should talk with pixelma to know which additions are needed for touchscreen
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12:46:39greppelah ok
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12:46:56greppelis it allowed to pm someone in this channel?
12:47:29funmanall development better happens on the channel because it is logged, so other persons might find useful information, and you can check the logs should you be disconnected
12:48:09funmani meant you should talk with pixelma, on #rockbox , so we can all know what happens and perhaps participate to the discussion
12:48:37greppeli understand, but how would i know if pixelma is present?
12:48:46funmanpixelma: ping
12:49:16funmanpixelma: greppel want to work on D2 manual but we don't know if touchscreen devices need special additions
12:50:54PaulJamZagor: the pages and don't seem to update anymore.
12:54:39ZagorPaulJam: thanks. fixed now.
12:54:49PaulJamthank you
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12:57:13AlexPfunman, greppel: I would think so yes, as the manual is set up to use button tables
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12:57:41AlexPAs I understand the touch screen, there are two modes - one where the screen is a grid and one where you touch the actual item
12:58:39AlexPDoes the grid use button actions as the button targets do?
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12:59:48greppelAlexP, yes it does
13:00:03AlexPOK, so that is easier
13:00:37greppelbut it looks to me I'm going to have to make new definitions in the keymap file for touchscreen functions
13:00:47AlexPIf you look at e.g.
13:01:39AlexPThen for the grid it is fine - just have e.g. \newcommand{\ButtonMenu}{\btnfnt{Middle Left}} or some such
13:01:40didiIs there any plan to support ipod nano 3rd generation?
13:02:08AlexPdidi: If someone breqks the encryptio, manages to extract the ROM, reverse engineers the hardware then writes the drivers, sure
13:02:37didiAlexP: So... No? ;-)
13:02:53AlexPAlthough linux4nano are doing good things for the encryption (although I don't think they have tried a 3g nano yet)
13:03:03AlexPdidi: Basically ports are done by interested owners
13:03:18AlexPgreppel: The difficult bit in my mind will be the proper touch screen mode
13:03:31AlexPgreppel: i.e. touching the next icon in the wps
13:03:33didiAlexP: I just saw in their pages that they managed to breakin 2g.
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13:03:50AlexPgreppel: That won't fit into the existing structure at qll
13:04:02AlexPgreppel: And 'm not sure how best to handle it
13:04:29AlexPdidi: Yes, the 2g has code execution
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13:04:33greppelAlexP, i tihnk you are right. Someone has already made a touchscreen enabled wps, but the functions can be all over the place
13:05:16greppelall depends on the wps maker
13:05:41AlexPyeah, and for freeform stuff like that the manual isn't set up for it
13:06:34AlexPIt might be best to fill the manual in as normal (button tables etc.) using the grid, and then add an extra section for the D2 explaining the touch screen and how the functions depend on WPS etc. all in one place
13:07:01greppelI agree
13:07:35greppeltouchscreen driver is still buggy atm on D2 anyway, might change a lot still
13:07:51greppelI'll start with the button functions
13:07:58greppeland go from there
13:08:11AlexPSo we could have a touchscreen introduction section, explain the two modes, and then say that as far as the manual goes it will be dealt with as using the grid (for button mapping etc), except when noted.
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13:08:54AlexPAnd then in a specific section you could add a note saying by the way, if you are using the other mode, then you can also do it like this
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13:10:12greppelwant to make sure i'm going about this in the right way to get D2 manual started: what i understand I need to register on flyspray, then register patches there, correct?
13:11:10greppelor is there smt to be done before all that for a completely new manual target?
13:11:56funmanwell first thing is having a (even incomplete) manual build on your local source tree, sending the patch through flyspray is only the 2nd step :)
13:12:34AlexPgreppel: Yeah, sign up for flypray, post your patches there, and then prod people to make them look at them :)
13:12:43greppeli have been working on a cowond2.tex and keymap-cowond2.tex file, then doing test builds
13:14:01greppelunder manual/platform that is
13:14:22AlexPthat's a good start :)
13:14:59AlexPIn general, if they don't break anything else it is good to get work into svn sooner rather than later IMO
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13:15:27AlexPThat way you aren't always mucking about trying to resync stuff, and other people can help
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13:20:57greppelok, I think I know enough now to get going, thanks for the help so far guys :)
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13:56:39pixelmagreppel, AlexP: isn't the "touch directly" mode more or less self-explanatory? Maybe it just needs an introduction and e.g. a special part in the WPS (syntax) section?
13:57:37AlexPpixelma: That's what I was saying
13:57:55AlexP[13:08:14] <AlexP> So we could have a touchscreen introduction section, explain the two modes, and then say that as far as the manual goes it will be dealt with as using the grid (for button mapping etc), except when noted.
13:58:08kugelfunman: See SamsungRuntime
13:58:33pixelmaAlexP: sorry, I didn't read thoroughly... but I agree ;)
13:58:45AlexPcool :)
14:02:37greppelpixelma, AlexP: ok, i will conecentrate on setting up the manual first, with only button assignments, and add the grid keys later
14:04:41AlexPI thought the grid keys were the button assignments?
14:04:48AlexPOr am I getting confused? :)
14:05:08greppelI probably wasn't clear enough in my answer :)
14:05:26AlexPi.e. the grid keys act as buttons would on other targets, and is those that are defined in e.g. keymap-cowond2.tex
14:06:12AlexP*and it is those
14:06:12greppelWhat I meant was: the D2 has basicly 4 "hardware buttons", but in grid mode, the touchscreen can do some of the same functions as a hardware button
14:06:20AlexPah right
14:06:28*AlexP knows nothing of the D2 :)
14:06:34greppelnp :)
14:06:51AlexPDoes it have a remote?
14:07:19greppelI've seen the term come by in the manual, but am not sure what is meant by it
14:07:31greppelwhat does 'remote' mean in this case?
14:07:37AlexPA remote control
14:07:56AlexPthat plugins into the unit and has buttons/and or a screen
14:08:10greppelah, no it has not
14:08:14AlexPso you can have the main unit in a pocket and control it with a little thing clipped to your shirt
14:09:52AlexPI was wondering if we could bastardise the remote column so that we have Hardware buttons and grid buttons columns rather than main unit and remote unit columns
14:10:20AlexPI mean we obviously could, but it'd cause issues if we had a target with hardware buttons, touchscreen, and a remote
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14:27:05pixelmathat would only be necessary I think, if there are things you can control with both (either a grid mode "button" or a hardware button (and if there is no remote)
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14:37:08greppelWith the D2 in grid mode, I can go to the context menu from wps with either a long "menu" hardware button, or a long "middle grid" press
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14:42:19AlexPpixelma: There are: [14:06:16] <greppel> What I meant was: the D2 has basicly 4 "hardware buttons", but in grid mode, the touchscreen can do some of the same functions as a hardware button and [14:08:14] <greppel> ah, no it has not (replying to my is there a remote question)
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16:08:08MintheExcuse me, but could I get arm-elf-gcc 4.4.1 installer?
16:10:41linuxstbThe tools/ script (in the Rockbox source code) will build the compilers you need for Rockbox.
16:11:49MintheSo I see rockbox-multilibs-arm-elf-gcc-4.0.3_3.diff.
16:12:01MintheBut I'd like to try 4.4.1.
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16:13:28zelakhi everyone. i'm running rockbox on my 2nd gen ipod mini. they are plugged into a portable headphone amp. what should the volume level in order to produce the clearest signal?
16:16:05linuxstbMinthe: Then you'll need to compile it yourself - see
16:16:45linuxstbzelak: Are you using the headphone output, or the line-out output? (the latter is in the dock connector)
16:22:47MintheI searched for "4.4.0" and "4.4.1" in but no result.
16:22:59zelaklinuxstb, the headphone output −− no line out :(
16:23:37linuxstbMinthe: The instructions are the same for all versions.
16:23:51linuxstbzelak: Then I guess 0dB is probably best.
16:24:25zelaklinuxstb, thanks for the tip.
16:24:41Minthelinuxstb: So multilib patching is not required?
16:25:33linuxstbMinthe: That depends which ARM CPU you want to compile for. The multilibs patch just enables build libgcc for different ARM variants. If that patch doesn't apply to newer gccs, then just apply similar changes manually.
16:28:08MintheFor i
16:28:28MintheFor iPod 5.5G
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16:42:28linuxstbMinthe: Then no, I don't think you need that patch. (but I am not 100% sure)
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16:51:31MintheOK then I'm going to build. Fortunately I already have binutils. Thank you.
16:51:44Minthebuild gcc 4.4.1
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16:56:34CIA-43New commit by blue_dude (r22797): Better menu verbiage for test_codec
16:57:17yZoris there already a version for 4-5G classic 80GB?
16:58:28yZorshould go to the page...for a read...
16:59:08yZoripod video
16:59:16yZorno classic versions?
17:00:03Lss4 to 5.5 is supported
17:00:11Lssits the 6g that isnt
17:02:12yZoris the page not up to date?
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17:06:54linuxstbyZor: The page is up to date. What do you mean by "4-5G classic" ? The iPod Video (aka 5th generation and 5.5th generation ipods) work with Rockbox. The iPod Classic (aka 6th generation ipod or later) doesn;t.
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18:23:33Blue_DudeAnybody thought about disabling the "-ffunction-sections" warning when compiling?
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18:27:02pixelmaBlue_Dude: it happens only when you compile a sim on cygwin (or cross-compile for Windows) and I've been told that it's not easy to fix, don't know about disabling
18:27:24Blue_Dudepixelma: It bugs me. :)
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18:47:45CIA-43New commit by alex (r22798): Recognise everybody in the same CREDITS file: add the three people only in CREDITS-MANUAL to CREDITS and remove CREDITS-MANUAL.
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18:49:33excitatorySo obviously rockbox will read files directly transfered to the device. and the easiest way to do this is just transfer folders/files from my OS's file browser..
18:50:02excitatorybut I really would prefer to use some kind of media application that uses a library and then from there transfer the files to my device..
18:50:31excitatoryamarok 1.4 is GREAT for this.. however I primarily use OSX and not so much linux..
18:50:50excitatoryI'm sick of duel booting, and virtualization works well, but seems overkill for one application.
18:51:05excitatoryamarok2 does not want to compile on the mac..
18:51:15gevaertsthat's not really our fault, is it?
18:51:34excitatoryso what other apps out there will offer my a library of my music, and do a generic file transfer.. maybe organizing it into folders..
18:51:38excitatoryanyone know?
18:51:59excitatory(I know it's not your fault.. but I thought maybe one of you have solved this problem yourself..)
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18:53:12excitatoryIt just gets annoying, because I use a 2gb and 8gb device, and I tend to switch out the music a few times a week.
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18:57:29AlexPexcitatory: That isn't really Rockbox related, Rockbox just presents as an external hard drive
18:57:47AlexPexcitatory: You could try asking in #rockbox-community (or google)
18:58:06excitatoryAlexP: ok, thank you.. sorry for being OT
18:58:19Lssdoes songbird run on osx?
18:58:31AlexPLss: Er, please stay on topic
18:58:51AlexPAs I just said, there is #rockbox-community for this sort of thing :)
18:59:16AlexPall are welcome :)
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19:06:11Blue_Dudekugel: is there a way to change the button layout in the sim to not require it to use the numeric keypad?
19:06:46kugelyes. see 1 of the files I just changed
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19:07:57Blue_DudeI'm programming on a laptop and I have to engage the num lock every time I fire up the sim. Then I always forget to turn it off and type garbage.
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19:18:57kugelbacklight_hold_changed() doesn't seem to be compiled for recorder, even though it has backlight and hold button
19:21:03kugelhm wait, it doesn't seem to have HAS_BUTTON_HOLD. Then I'm wondering why it enters #ifdef HAS_BUTTON_HOLD code
19:22:21Blue_DudePlease check out FS #10612. It is very nearly complete. I will probably commit it if there aren't any serious objections.
19:23:35Blue_DudeWell... gotta pull the trigger some time.
19:24:14kugelarg, stupid me
19:24:29Blue_DudeThere, there.
19:24:35kugelBlue_Dude: do you think attack time is a good name?
19:24:51Blue_DudeDunno. It's gone now anyway.
19:24:58kugeloh alright
19:25:08*kugel has only looked at the first comment
19:25:45Blue_DudeYeah, I gutted it. Works a lot faster though.
19:26:44CIA-43New commit by kugel (r22800): Fix non-hold button and headphone detection target sims.
19:26:54AlexPBlue_Dude: If this is turned off, does it still use RAM? If so, how much?
19:28:23Blue_DudeThe gain buffer and gain table are in IRAM. They are always there. The rest of the variables are thrown away.
19:28:35JdGordon|did anything happen with (I tinhk rasher's?) the work to make the buttons in the sim background pressable with the mouse?
19:28:48Blue_DudeThis should be net RAM gain over the limiter.
19:29:29Blue_DudeIf the target doesn't have IRAM, then there will be RAM allocated for it, but less than for the limiter.
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19:30:18Blue_DudeAlexP, this version ought to work better than the one you tested. I'm interested to see how it works on your DAP.
19:30:58AlexPI'll try in a bit. I'll only bother with the H100
19:31:35Blue_DudeSounds good. I put in a couple of optimizations that ought to cut down on Coldfire processing time. Every little bit helps.
19:35:07kugelthat recorder compiled fine here
19:35:43yZoris there a alternative "tool" for the ipod classic 80GB?
19:35:52kugeloh, fm rec != recorder
19:36:07yZorrockbox isnt supporting it
19:36:17AlexPyZor: no
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19:37:19excitatorySo what's the most cutting edge device rockbox supports.. or is soon to support? ( I want a new media device soon..)
19:37:53yZorAlexP: no for what?
19:38:00yZoralternative tool
19:38:03AlexPyZor: Your question
19:38:35funmanexcitatory: see
19:38:54funmanyZor: if it's not rockbox it's not on topic on this channel
19:39:15CIA-43New commit by kugel (r22801): Fix red for HAS_SERIAL_REMOTE
19:39:38rasherJdGordon|: It might still be in the tracker. It wasn't very clean anyway
19:40:00AlexPyZor: And the answer is still no
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19:56:41kugelthat commit revealed a slight waste actually
19:57:15kugelthe button flip functions where dependant on HAVE_LCD_BITMAP instead of HAVE_LCD_FLIP
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19:57:48kugela number of targets compiled that code in even though they don't have a possibility to flip
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20:05:14KohlrabiYou're awre that you're the only hope for Sansa Clip owners to get a proper firmware now?:
20:06:20ZagorKohlrabi: yes
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20:06:56KohlrabiI volunteered a while ago to help with Clipv2-dev, but I wasn't able to compile the bootloader/fimrware back then
20:07:06kugelKohlrabi: that always applies regardless of OF bugs :p
20:07:23Kohlrabinow I'm all into this again, maybe I will get it working tomorrow
20:07:38kugelalthough I read a statement a while ago stating that the pitch can be corrected at minimal cost (<2% battery life)
20:08:04KohlrabiI'm not sure if this new statement just regards them abaondoning firmware fixes for the Clipv1/v2 product line
20:08:22KohlrabiBut this could be for both
20:09:57kugelthe last sentence suggest that they rather want people to having this problem to buy a competitor mp3 player instead of fixing it, i.e. a general "Won't fix"
20:10:17kugelsaratoga has made some experiments since Rockbox is actually suffering from it too
20:10:27funmanKohlrabi: there is not much to be built on clipv2
20:10:33Zagorkugel: definitely. "we are a low cost, low quality brand"
20:11:09kugelalthough the AMS line is known for it's HQ sound, and SanDisk advertised with that when introducing the fuze
20:11:40kugelmaybe we should poke them
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20:11:45Kohlrabithe fix supposedly is quite easy to fix, though I don't know if changing the PLL breaks other stuff:
20:11:53kugel"give us some info, and we'll fix it for you in our firmware"
20:11:53Zagoralthough I do give them credit for telling their users straight up
20:12:33funmanKohlrabi: if you own a Clipv1/Fuzev1/e200v2 it's easy to test different clock frequencies
20:13:01*kugel tends to really post that into the forum
20:13:07Kohlrabikugel: :D
20:13:09Kohlrabido it
20:13:09kugelI'm temped at least
20:13:26Kohlrabi<Zagor> although I do give them credit for telling their users straight up | haha
20:13:36KohlrabiThey said for weeks/months that a fix was in the works
20:13:36funmanKohlrabi: i have seen pictures of a clip+ disassembled (on abi forum iirc)
20:13:44Kohlrabioh, and?
20:14:08funman_looks_ similar to clipv2
20:14:19ZagorKohlrabi: yes, but they ultimately admitted no fix is coming. many companies (apple, anyone?) would just have stopped responding to the issue
20:14:29KohlrabiZagor: they lied for some months
20:14:31funmanwhich _is_ quite similar to clipv1
20:14:32bertrikwow indeed for them being so direct and honest about it, I can appreciate that
20:14:40KohlrabiI don't know why you think that'
20:14:44Kohlrabis straight up
20:14:48Kohlrabisorry for that
20:15:10funmanwe could propose them to release the source to the public
20:15:12KohlrabiZagor: problem is, this is just the messenger guy
20:15:13kugelwasn't I registered there?
20:15:24ZagorKohlrabi: they didn't necessarily lie. the fix could have been planned but then abandoned by management.
20:15:32Kohlrabiobviously he wasn't in proper contact with the rest of the company
20:15:33funmanif they don't use it anymore to support users, there's no big deal into doing that, unless bits of the source are not owned by SanDisk
20:15:46KohlrabiZagor: ok, maybe not "lie"
20:15:52Kohlrabibut it's a tad dishonesty
20:16:07Zagorfunman: very likely parts of it are not theirs. "nobody" writes firmware from scratch.
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20:16:23Kohlrabigotta go now
20:16:35Kohlrabifunman: poke me if clipv2-FW is teastable some time
20:16:50KohlrabiI'm drunk :O
20:17:02funmanZagor: now let's hope the interesting parts are owned by SanDisk ;)
20:17:09kugelforgot my password
20:17:19kugeland the email I've used there
20:17:26Kohlrabisee you later
20:17:46Zagorfunman: I don't think they want to give away anyway. they rather want people to buy their newer players instead of giving new life to the older ones.
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20:18:46funmanSansa Clip is not Quake :/
20:19:12bertrikI won't mind having a look at a better set of frequencies to improve the sample rate accuracy of ams targets for rockbox
20:19:30funmanbertrik: using 384MHz PLL would be enough it seems
20:19:39funmanand we can change that easily in clock-target.h
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20:19:51funmansaratoga did frequency measurements with his PC sound card
20:20:38Zagorbertrik: here's the PLL calculation from the sansa forum:
20:20:47bertrikwe can predict the error in advance I think, right? did it match with saratoga's measurements?
20:21:11funmanbertrik: not sure, just check yesterday logs
20:22:58kugelfunman: does the PLL clock have an impact on battery life?
20:23:07funmanno idea
20:23:21funmani think the tests we had made only modified pclk
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20:24:04bertrikI expect a rather small impact, i.e. lower runtime at higher frequency
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20:27:04funmanwho has a copy of as3514 datasheet ? it's still not downloadable from ams website
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20:28:54funmani have it
20:31:04funmankugel: the i2c registers in as3525 are almost identical to as3514
20:31:19funmanhowever, usb_util (0x17) isn't present in as3514
20:31:52funmanthe 4 top bits of system register (0x20) have the same description (design version), and should be set to 0010 == 2
20:32:01funmanbut in my Clipv1 they were set to 4 IIRC
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20:32:17funmanso it could really only be an ehanced as3514 (as3514+)
20:33:42funmanor perhaps a as3515 (who knows)
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20:36:15CIA-43New commit by learman (r22802): Make PDBox use the copy of TLSF in the codecs folder (and remove the old copy).
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20:45:39Lear_Hm... I'm quite sure my commit had nothing whatsoever to do with the player sim. :)
20:47:02kugelthat seems like a safe bet
20:48:31pixelmathe Onda red in 22790 is a bit weird too (and the same client)
20:49:06Zagorgevaerts: are you looking?
20:50:08kugelso is onfio fm checkwps in r22800, different client
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20:56:36gevaertsZagor: ?
20:57:47funmanhey cool, i have an answer from AMS
20:57:53funman"I am sorry, but I do not know what they are using here in this player version."
20:58:11kugelwhat did you ask?
20:58:22gevaertsZagor: can you blacklist rb for now?
20:58:25funmanwhat does SanDisk use in Clipv2
20:58:42gevaertsI really don't have time to look right away
20:59:52Zagorthough I think we should wait another round and see if it repeats on your machine
21:00:26kugelfunman: I thought you weren't going to ask that directly
21:00:47funmankugel: i'll forward you the full conversation if you wish
21:01:18kugelWhat happened about "What AMS soc has a arm926ej-s and it's register at a 0xc8... base?"
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21:08:01pyro_maniacfunman: i tested your bootloader and it worked. i tried to rename it to PP5020.bin but that doesn't work.
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21:08:25funmanPP5020.mi4 then ?
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21:13:21funmanI sent it to Bagder
21:14:21funman[HTTP] GET URI ""
21:14:36funmanit should be
21:15:10funmanrbutil uses the name= from rbutil.ini for forging the url
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21:18:58funman[HTTP] GET URI ""
21:19:10funmancan rbutil install any current build at all ?
21:19:38Zagorfunman: uh that's a rather strange url
21:19:58funmanthat's forged from the name= parameter
21:20:14funmanand all names are long descriptions
21:21:07funmanby the way rbutil doesn't rename sansa ams OF to a sensible name when copying it to the device
21:21:20funmanit will only matter for those people who rename the OF (like I do)
21:22:43funman QString buildname = RbSettings::value(RbSettings::CurBuildserverModel).toString();
21:22:51funmanthat will be "Sansa Fuze (Unstable)"
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21:23:33funmanr22200 ?
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21:41:43domonoky1funman: that sounds strange.
21:42:57domonoky1RbSettings::CurBuildserverModel should be buildserver_modelname in the rbutil.ini file.
21:43:18funmanhow do you printf() a QString ?
21:43:30domonoky1funman: did you build yourself, or is this with the current release ?
21:43:36funmani built myself
21:44:08domonoky1funman: use qDebug() << string; and build a debug build, or just look at the system trace thing in rbutils menu.
21:44:46kugelcout << string ?
21:44:48domonoky1funman: it looks like broken depencies.
21:45:28domonoky1cout should also work, but we have the trace window in rbutil now, which shows the output of qDebug() :-)
21:46:04kugelthat was about the only thing I know about c++ :)
21:46:35domonoky1funman: i also had this when i added a setting to rbsettings.c/h, it didnt recompile everything needed, and so some o file used the old enum definition. and by this wrong numbers.
21:46:48funmandomonoky1: hum now that I rebuilt install.cpp it works ..
21:47:39domonoky1yes, broken depency. a .o file used a old enum definition, and so asked for the wrong setting entry.
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21:52:04*domonoky1 checks the generated makefile and sees that install.o indeed doesnt depend on rbsettings.h :-/
21:52:20domonoky1funman: which qt version do you use ?
21:52:53funmanubuntu karmic (4.5.2)
21:55:51*domonoky1 found a fix...
21:57:43CIA-43New commit by Domonoky (r22803): rbutil: correct dependencies by setting DEPENDPATH.
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21:59:38CIA-43New commit by funman (r22804): Samsung YH920 & YH925 are in the unstable category
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22:03:03CIA-43New commit by funman (r22805): Move YH920 to unstable ports
22:03:48funmani should have mentioned rbutil and then website
22:03:50domonoky1why is on the website only the YH-925 displayed as unstable ?
22:04:04funmandomonoky1: after r22805 it changed ;)
22:04:13funmanthe yh925 bootloader needs to be moved on the server I think
22:04:29alienkid10Can I put Rockbox on the Nextar MA566-1BL?
22:04:54funmanah no it was moved already
22:05:01funmanalienkid10: if it's not listed on the front page, then no
22:05:02domonoky1y925 bootloader is on the server. yh920 is missing.
22:05:14funmandomonoky1: i sent it to Bagder earlier this evening
22:05:18alienkid10ok thanks
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22:06:00funmannow if someone with a yh820 can confirm how usable it is, we'll move it as well
22:06:28funmanit lacks battery monitoring
22:06:34domonoky1unfortunatly we just released rbutil, so it will take some time to get yh-9xx support in rbutil to the users.... Unless someone finds major bugs.. :-)
22:07:02funmanwell that's not a big problem I think
22:07:32funmanhow can YH-920 be listed on ?
22:10:52domonoky1funman: i think you could just add it to in www
22:12:02domonoky1or i am not sure :-)
22:12:32funmanit needs a picture also it seems
22:13:57kugelfunman: the bootloader is at the correct location
22:14:08kugelrbutil is expecting a wrong location (IMO)
22:15:11kugeldomonoky1: rbutil looks at <download server>/bootloader/samsung/FW_YH925.mi4
22:15:33kugelthe bootloader is in a yh925 subdir though, as done on other targets too
22:15:51kugelfunman: pics are on the tracker
22:16:01funmaniirc yesterday it was in samsung/FW_YH925.mi4 on the server
22:16:24domonoky1then update the rbutil.ini. i think the rbutil ini entry was done before bootloaders where available :-)
22:16:26funmankugel: could you commit the changes needed for yh920
22:16:40kugelsure, later
22:17:06kugeldomonoky1: yep, but it needs another rbutil release before folks can use it, doesn't it?
22:17:36domonoky1yh-9xxx is disabled in the current release...
22:18:28domonoky1so the wrong url doesnt hurt at moment.
22:18:53kugelhm, I think I found that out by trying rbutil on my yh925
22:19:03Bagderfunman: it's now in bootloader/samsung/yh920/
22:19:05kugelI'm sure it started downloading the bootloader
22:19:12kugeltrying, at least
22:19:39kugelmaybe I just confuse things now
22:19:40domonoky1kugel: if you used 1.2.3, you shouldnt been able to select the yh925 ?
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22:21:05kugelI will try again later
22:21:22kugelI need to get my laptop out since there's no x86_64 binary out yet
22:23:20CIA-43New commit by Domonoky (r22806): rbutil: correct url to samsung bootloaders.
22:27:46funmanBagder: thanks
22:28:32funmanTODO on YH920: mpegplayer, calculate correctly battery reading, FM
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22:49:55casainhoI would like to know if the crt0.S and .lds files must be shared with other targets −− having inside the #ifdefs to differ from targets
22:50:25Bagderthey don't HAVE TO be shared, no
22:50:44Bagderbut they're often very similar, so using the same makes sense
22:51:25casainhoso, I created a new folder on s3c2440, where gigabeat port is
22:51:42casainhoand I don't need to use the same crt0.s files
22:52:06BagderI told you already
22:52:23casainhowhere I will put my crt0.S file? −− because I think that Makefile will automatically look for the files always at the same place...
22:52:38Bagderno, the makefile does not look for it automatically
22:53:35Bagdersee firmware/SOURCES and search for crt0
22:53:36casainhoso, where in the code I can say where are that files?
22:53:45Bagderyou'll see a few
22:53:46casainhoBagder: ok, thanks :-)
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22:56:40kugeldo we release today?
22:57:24JdGordon|sure, why not :p
22:57:56gevaertshow about usb on the ipods?
22:58:39gevaertsI think so. Nothing has really changed since 3.3
22:58:52kugelwe haven't fixed the problems that prevented enabling for 3.3
23:00:00kugelwho can make the binaries?
23:00:57kugelmetronome on c200 is supposed to be disabled too
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23:05:23gevaertskugel: I'd help, but I really don't have time this week :\
23:06:07JdGordon|I can use my home pc to do the builds if its a simple command
23:06:11JdGordon|which it aint :(
23:06:51*gevaerts does have enough time to mention in case people don't remember about it
23:07:42*Strife89 has a PC with pretty good CPU speed, but a rather poor Internet connection by modern standards.
23:08:25*Strife89 is, in short, willing to devote a machine to building.
23:10:27rasherZagor: is there any way around the TOC links not pointing to the /wiki/PageName address?
23:10:39Strife89Meh, my Net connection fails the upload requirement.
23:11:31Strife89I think my upload speed tops out at about 50 KB/s.
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23:14:22amiconngevaerts: Why would we want to disable PP usb?
23:14:39amiconnIt's not perfect (occasional resets) but it works okay
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23:16:59Zagorrasher: I hope so. I'll look at it.
23:17:42rasherZagor: wait... why do they TOC links even include anything but the anchor part?!
23:17:45rasherNot that you'd know
23:17:51Zagorvery good question...
23:17:52rasherBut that's just odd
23:18:03Zagorask in #foswiki :)
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23:34:59linuxstbkugel: "Work has begun on porting Rockbox to these players, but much remains before they are usable" -> "Work has been done so that Rockbox runs to a very limited extend, they are considered highly usable" doesn't seem "cosmetic"...
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23:42:42Zagorkugel: "highly usable?"
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23:47:29CIA-43New commit by kugel (r22810): Arg, devastating typo!
23:48:29kugelof course, that was bound to happen. I had "are not considered usable" before :/
23:48:32*linuxstb wonders which one
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23:49:02ZagorI think my original wording was better...
23:49:26*linuxstb too
23:49:29kugelI didn't like it so well
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23:50:03Zagoryour new phrasing make it sound like people can actually run rockbox on these targets
23:50:52kugelWell, isn't that true? I somehow remember that unusable targets can boot rockbox
23:51:14kugeland e.g. targets which have only code and just a bootloader but nothing else are not even unusable
23:51:22linuxstbkugel: Also, (IMO), the word "cosmetic" in a commit message means "no functional changes". You changed the semantics of a description.
23:51:23perfectdrugkugel: hi I just have seen you commited some more SVGs from me, thats nice but I don't want to be in the credits twice for this:) (pixelma already commited something from me)
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23:51:47kugeloops, I haven't actually looked
23:51:57*kugel normally always does that
23:52:13kugelZagor: alright, let's restore the old wording then
23:52:51kugelI'll post such stuff in the channel for quick review next time
23:54:34CIA-43New commit by kugel (r22811): Marko Pahlke was already in CREDITS.
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