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| 02:01:28 | Llorean | Maybe we need some sort of voice fail-safe. A string in the voice file that simply says "Voice too large" that is always loaded even if the rest of the voice won't fit, so people know that voice is working, but the file is the problem. |
| 02:02:19 | rasher | Zagor: Going to a non-existant wiki page gives 404 rather than the expected "search or create the page" page |
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| 02:42:31 | enthdegree | Hey, I'm trying to track down a c250v1, no luck. Has anyone here had any experience in tracking one down, good websites to try, etc? |
| 02:42:53 | JdGordon | eek... why? |
| 02:43:06 | JdGordon | the c250 isnt exactly the best target.. |
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| 02:45:01 | enthdegree | Form factor, mostly. :P |
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| 02:46:24 | enthdegree | It probably won't play video great, and it ~is~ an old device. Is there anything better you can think of? |
| 02:50:51 | enthdegree | drat, had to reconnect, srry. What's the problem with rockbox on a c200? |
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| 02:55:45 | sjh | after running ipodpatcher on a newly formatted ipod video (5th gen) trying to get 3.4 to boot, I get an error can't load rockbox.ipod file not found. So I tried copying it from the .rockbox directory to the root filesystem (now in both places) and it still gives me this error... any idea where else it may look for it? |
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| 03:00:47 | saratoga | sjh: that usually means you didn't actually create the right folder, often because the zip program you used renamed some of the files as you unzipped them |
| 03:00:47 | krazykit | it looks for it in the .rockbox directory. |
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| 03:01:55 | sjh | okay, I will try unzip on the filesystem and cp -rv accross |
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| 03:07:22 | Llorean | sjh: You should have rockbox.ipod in the .rockbox folder (note the . ) and the .rockbox folder in the root of the player's drive. |
| 03:07:41 | Llorean | I have seen where it won't find rockbox.ipod if the partition is the wrong format or *possible* set as the wrong type, but the right format. |
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| 03:10:10 | sjh | hmm maybe I need to format the parition with 2048 byte sectors |
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| 09:06:16 | Zagor | is there any useful content on the user mailing list anymore? every time I look there's another flame war. |
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| 09:06:25 | Zagor | s/user/non-dev/ |
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| 09:17:10 | swiftkick | greetings, will rockbox support sansa V2 (V03) hardware? |
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| 09:19:02 | Llorean | Zagor: Well it started out good with us finding out the voice file may be too big. Sadly, I don't know if anyone with the hardware has actually tested it yet. They seemed to prefer to complain about the fact that it got released not working than to find out if that's even what's wrong. |
| 09:19:19 | Llorean | I do apologize for dragging it further off topic though. |
| 09:22:10 | swiftkick | i realize the manual says rockbox doesn't support the e200 V2 (v03) hardware yet. so what i'm asking is, will it evar? |
| 09:22:39 | swiftkick | does anyone care that every single last supported player is out of production? =) |
| 09:22:41 | swiftkick | whats the best player i can actuall find, new on the shelf, that doesnt have a clunky mechanical hard drive for storage? |
| 09:22:53 | Zagor | swiftkick: we are working on sansa ams, yes |
| 09:23:09 | swiftkick | oh yeah, and also one that doesnt somehow support steve jobs in any way shape or form? kthx =) |
| 09:23:30 | Llorean | swiftkick: This channel is for questions about Rockbox. "What non-Rockbox player should I get?" doesn't really belong here. |
| 09:23:59 | tomers | I have a Fuze which works good enough for me. I am very satisfied from it. It is v1, though |
| 09:24:02 | Zagor | of course we care. but new players normally have a one-year life span, and a port often takes more than that |
| 09:24:27 | swiftkick | Zagor: excellent. i just bought one on the off chance it would be the older supported hardware version. it wasn't ;-( |
| 09:24:33 | swiftkick | Llorean: you misunderstand. I was asking, what is the best player that will run rockbox =) |
| 09:24:56 | Zagor | swiftkick: none new on the shelf |
| 09:25:20 | swiftkick | Llorean: and i dont want hard drives or steve jobs in my player =) |
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| 09:27:06 | swiftkick | tomers: my phone is an HTC fuze. |
| 09:27:11 | swiftkick | and i often wish i could flash its firmware into something more useful, such as gaming console. |
| 09:27:16 | swiftkick | or use the built in level and orientation sensors to cheat at roulette. |
| 09:27:59 | swiftkick | i wanted the sansa because its got flash memory expandability |
| 09:28:01 | Llorean | swiftkick: He's referring to the Sandisk Fuze. |
| 09:29:04 | pixelma | Llorean: you don't need to test the voice file - just look at its size and the amount of available RAM; amiconn said yesterday that it was too big (already for V1 Recorder, so FM/V2 Recorder even more and probably for the OndioFM as well |
| 09:29:09 | swiftkick | Llorean: i know. Those dont have a flash memory slot tho do they? |
| 09:29:27 | Llorean | swiftkick: If you knew, why did you ramble about cellphones? Please, keep the subject to Rockbox stuff. |
| 09:29:44 | pixelma | btw. I can't remember that this was "fixed" for any release before where the problem already occured |
| 09:30:18 | Llorean | pixelma: Doesn't the amount of available RAM differ somewhat depending on what options you've set? Even if we get it down enough, it might not work for some people who've set their files-in-folder limit too high |
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| 09:33:20 | pixelma | true, but if it's already over a good amount (and I don't think amiconn has RAM eating options enabled). You can't take care of everything but I guess it should be down as much as the default settings need |
| 09:34:19 | Llorean | pixelma: Yeah, voice should play immediately after the device is reset. |
| 09:35:19 | Llorean | It's a bit unfortunate that it fails to "silence" rather than some fallback. |
| 09:37:17 | swiftkick | Llorean: first you misunderstood that I *am* asking about rockbox compatible players. Now you chastise me for two sentences of lighthearted banter about another device that just happens to also play mp3s and get firmware upgrades. You must be the channel's resident curmudgeon, in addition to needing a refresher in english comprehension. |
| 09:38:18 | Llorean | swiftkick: I'm sorry, English comprehension? You admitted you knew every single supported player was out of production, then asked for one you could find new on shelves. This *strongly* suggests you're asking about something other than a supported player. |
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| 09:38:36 | Llorean | It's rare to find out of production devices new on shelves. |
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| 09:38:53 | Llorean | Especially in the realm of consumer electronics where production usually ends because one model is being supplanted by a newer one. |
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| 09:39:32 | swiftkick | Actually I was hoping someone could suggest a vendor that still sold an older one, or perhaps a different model that supported any decent memory card format |
| 09:39:47 | swiftkick | you know sometimes sleepy vendors have a cache of an older model |
| 09:39:52 | swiftkick | until the community finds out |
| 09:41:31 | Llorean | See, even now you've got that "or perhaps a different model" that suggests you're also looking for non-Rockbox players. |
| 09:41:58 | Llorean | My point was simply that we strongly encourage you to keep off-topic chatter to the other channels on the network including the one specifically mentioned in the topic for offtopic stuff. |
| 09:42:41 | AlexP | swiftkick: Please don't attack people for asking you to follow the guidelines - the reason they are there is that lots of people read the logs and they don't want to have to wade through what would be a lot of noise if everyone just typed two lines of off-topic banter |
| 09:42:45 | swiftkick | im not sure how you could think that, given that this is the rockbox channel, but on the other hand, if someone did recommend a non-rockbox player that fit my needs, and thus ended this conversation about six of these pointless sentences earlier, would that have been a bad thing? |
| 09:43:07 | AlexP | Please let's just all stop now, and stick on topic. Cheers :) |
| 09:43:39 | Zagor | swiftkick: froobi.com had some refurbished sansas but they are sold out since long |
| 09:44:08 | AlexP | I don't think you'll find any of the fully supported players new (or even refurbished these days) |
| 09:44:26 | AlexP | Some of the in progress ones are still available, but there are no ETAs |
| 09:44:56 | Kippers | Hello all, I'm having some issues playing back some ogg files with rockbox on an iAudio X5 |
| 09:45:15 | Zagor | oh, they actually have c240 in stock |
| 09:45:30 | Kippers | I can play most ogg files on my player w/rockbox, and I can play the particular ones that don't work elsewhere |
| 09:45:40 | AlexP | Zagor: Heh, I take it all back |
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| 09:46:12 | AlexP | Kippers: Do you know if they were encoded with a different encoder? |
| 09:46:15 | swiftkick | alexp: apologies, i'm not trying to attack, its just late, and i am new here, no hard feelings |
| 09:46:32 | AlexP | swiftkick: Here neither :) |
| 09:47:34 | AlexP | Kippers: It'll probably come to having someone look at one to see what the issue is |
| 09:47:38 | swiftkick | Zagor: thanks for the link, i am averse to buying refurbs tho |
| 09:48:29 | AlexP | swiftkick: They are really your only option if you want a fully supported one. None of them are available new (save if the odd one gets found in a stock room somewhere, something like that) |
| 09:48:30 | Zagor | swiftkick: well your choice is refurbished or ebay. |
| 09:49:10 | Kippers | Yeah. I just opened one that doesn't work and one that does in a hex editor to see if there are any obvious differences with tags etc. They both say "Xiph.org I 20070622", which looks kind of like the encoder version to me. |
| 09:49:39 | pixelma | Kippers: the encoding might be interesting and if they have "unusual" tags |
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| 09:53:27 | Kippers | okay, one seems to have ID3 tags, and the other doesn't |
| 09:53:44 | sjh | Kippers: if the ogg files have any id3 or id3v2 tags they will probably not play, ogg/vorbis tags are fine though |
| 09:54:08 | sjh | find -name '*.ogg' -print0 | xargs -0 id3v2 -D |
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| 09:55:23 | sqgl | Using Beta version of RB. Last night I used sleeper timer to shutdown. Now my mp3 files are invisible. |
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| 09:55:48 | sqgl | Similar thing has happened before but can't recall what caused it. |
| 09:55:58 | AlexP_ | sqgl: Check the show files setting |
| 09:56:09 | sqgl | ok |
| 09:56:22 | sqgl | tho i did not change it |
| 09:56:58 | sqgl | genius! |
| 09:57:10 | sqgl | It had flipped to show playlists. |
| 09:57:13 | Kippers | Yeah, I think the id3 tags are the issue |
| 09:57:38 | sqgl | AlexP_, thanks |
| 09:57:45 | AlexP_ | sqgl: No worries |
| 09:57:52 | sqgl | A known issue? |
| 09:57:59 | sqgl | Or should I document it in forums? |
| 09:58:00 | AlexP_ | Kippers: If you have ID3 tags on ogg, then that is a problem |
| 09:58:08 | AlexP_ | Kippers: They should be vorbis comments |
| 09:58:30 | AlexP_ | sqgl: That is changes itself, no; that people accidently change it, yes :) |
| 09:58:38 | AlexP_ | s/is/it/ |
| 09:59:16 | sqgl | OK well I better report it then. I can't imagine rolling over in my sleep before it shutdown and pressing the right combination. |
| 09:59:28 | AlexP_ | You never know |
| 09:59:33 | sqgl | true |
| 09:59:43 | AlexP_ | This is the first time anyone has said that it did it itself to my knowledge |
| 09:59:49 | sqgl | I will wait to see if it happens again (without the sleep factor) |
| 09:59:55 | AlexP_ | That'd be good |
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| 10:00:02 | sqgl | ciao |
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| 10:00:07 | AlexP_ | cheerio |
| 10:06:59 | Kippers | sorted, thanks everyone |
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| 10:42:51 | amiconn | Llorean: The Recorder v1 voice file is too big even with my settings - and I use limits which are *lower* than the defaults |
| 10:43:21 | amiconn | It's true that the max possible voice size varies though - we need to settle for a sane limit |
| 10:44:06 | amiconn | There are two ways to make the file smaller: (1) higher tts speed, or (2) more compression |
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| 10:59:17 | pixelma | we could also try differnet TTSs/voices. I noticed when making a voice file with espeak that I get bigger voice files too and I think it's related to the voice being a bit more "noisy" and hence doesn't compress as well, especially with MP3. If we are lucky we could find something better - though that will need quite some time of test and trial... |
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| 11:07:04 | ED_209 | hey, I have an iriver h300 and got a 2200mAh cameron sino battery about 2 years ago, I've used it pretty extensively since then |
| 11:07:37 | ED_209 | now I've got a weird problem where when I charge it, it'll charge up fully, but if I wait a few hours tehn turn it on it's down to like 8% or so, then slowly counts up to about 79% as I'm using it |
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| 11:08:23 | ED_209 | then it'll drop back down to almost zero the next time I turn it on, then slowly count up to a higher battery percentage... it does this every time. |
| 11:08:48 | ED_209 | is it possible the charging... circuit or whatever is damaged or is this a sign that the battery is poked? |
| 11:09:55 | ED_209 | I'm really hoping it's the battery... it's been working fine up until a few weeks ago when it started doing this |
| 11:11:21 | Zagor | it could be the battery. the boot surge causing a voltage drop which then gradually recovers. |
| 11:11:38 | ED_209 | I don't know how lithium polymer batteries work but if I charge it fully, it'll show a full charge immediately after I unplug it, but if I leave it turned off for a few hours and turn it on it'll be drastically lower, but then will count up from 8% to about 79%... and it loses charge when it's turned off too |
| 11:12:12 | ED_209 | it's never done this before, the unit has been working fine until about 5 weeks ago when it was doing this thing |
| 11:12:52 | Zagor | there's really no other way to find out than trying another battery |
| 11:13:02 | ED_209 | :/ |
| 11:13:47 | Zagor | after two years the battery is likely quite aged/worn anyway. and the alternative is trying another player, which is not exactly a simple option either. |
| 11:14:00 | ED_209 | it's not an option because I don't have another player |
| 11:14:27 | ED_209 | and I had to grind out the back of the metal casing with a dremel to get this larger battery to fit without being crushed |
| 11:15:16 | ED_209 | so you'd expect a cameron sino battery to fail after 2 years? |
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| 11:16:25 | ED_209 | it still works... just not like it's supposed to. I just hope it's not the iriver which is faulty |
| 11:17:09 | Zagor | well if it's not a problem then keep using it until it stops working |
| 11:17:10 | ED_209 | I freakin pray it's the battery |
| 11:17:50 | ED_209 | it is a problem, at startup the battery reads almost flat, then as I'm using it, the battery will slowly show a higher voltage up to a certain point |
| 11:18:23 | ED_209 | are there any h300 users who may be in here later that might know a lot about this player? |
| 11:18:34 | Zagor | well you have do decide if it's annoying enough to buy a new battery |
| 11:18:48 | ED_209 | if a new battery will fix it I'll order one right now |
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| 11:32:49 | ED_209 | ok I ordered a battery |
| 11:32:58 | ED_209 | I hope this works. |
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| 11:50:15 | CIA-43 | New commit by tomers (r22851): Added myself to the list of committers. |
| 11:52:52 | rasher | \o/ |
| 11:56:30 | tomers | I wonder why adding myself to the committers list changes had size delta effect on some targets (R22851: http://build.rockbox.org/dev.cgi) |
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| 12:00:18 | AlexP_ | tomers: It always fluctuates a small amount like that, don't worry about it |
| 12:00:24 | AlexP_ | tomers: And welcome :) |
| 12:00:35 | tomers | AlexP_: Thanks :-) |
| 12:00:40 | rasher | tomers: Different hosts building give small differences. Welcome aboard |
| 12:01:17 | tomers | rasher: Thanks! Going to commit "FS #10468 - USB HID: Show keypad mode on screen" now... |
| 12:03:25 | gevaerts | tomers: welcome! |
| 12:04:15 | tomers | gevaerts: Thank you Frank! |
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| 12:06:06 | CIA-43 | New commit by tomers (r22852): Commit "FS #10468 - USB HID: Show keypad mode on screen" |
| 12:06:44 | * | tomers Waiting for the reds of my first commit... And the size deltas... |
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| 12:17:31 | robin0800 | tomers: works here sansa c240 |
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| 12:27:06 | casainho | hello |
| 12:27:31 | casainho | anyone seing kugel here? I am being looking for him on last days but I cond't see him here... |
| 12:32:23 | CIA-43 | New commit by tomers (r22853): Fix red of r22852 |
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| 12:51:11 | CIA-43 | New commit by tomers (r22854): Fix red - Fix mr100 remote keymap |
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| 12:57:26 | tomers | Those who use RB's USB stack, please test the new feature just added (USB keypad mode) |
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| 13:13:23 | dionoea | hum, why does configure check for the crosscompilation stuff when we ask to build the manual? |
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| 13:21:51 | gevaerts | tomers: the red delta for non-software-usb targets seems to come from the extra language strings. I'm not too familiar with that area, but there is the "usbstack" feature in apps/features that you could probably use to get those out again |
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| 14:04:09 | CIA-43 | New commit by tomers (r22855): - Added USB HID documentation to the mr100 manual ... |
| 14:11:00 | tomers | gevaerts: I'll try that |
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| 14:51:55 | casainho | hello everyone :-) |
| 14:52:41 | Bob_C | hi all, we want to submit a patch for the Lyre proto2 target. |
| 14:53:22 | Bob_C | It might be s stupid question, but does our new port need to build? We only have a bootloader so far. |
| 14:54:04 | funman | no you can submit the patch only for the bootloader |
| 14:54:20 | casainho | funman: but the bootloader must build correctly? |
| 14:54:33 | casainho | (even if empty stubs?) |
| 14:54:43 | funman | sure |
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| 14:55:27 | Bob_C | Ok, I will make sure it builds |
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| 14:55:34 | kkurbjun | casainho: are you using crt0.s from the gigabeat f/x? |
| 14:56:04 | casainho | kkurbjun: yes, we are using the same, but with #ifdefs |
| 14:56:35 | CIA-43 | New commit by tomers (r22857): FS #10122 - Fix wrong format type of logf functions in speex.c |
| 14:56:53 | kkurbjun | most of it would be the same, the main part that you'll have to change is the memory initialization |
| 14:57:28 | funman | this part could be moved out of crt0.S if it's big |
| 14:57:58 | kkurbjun | if possible it would be good to break that out into a separate function/branch call |
| 14:58:13 | Bob_C | There is also some stuff which seems specific to Gigabeat which I have also made conditional. But 60-70% is the same |
| 14:59:27 | kkurbjun | the only other thing that would b especific is the lcd stuff and the button checks which is minor |
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| 15:00:24 | kkurbjun | the clock initialization could stay the same, but it looks like your target has a faster speed grade part |
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| 15:02:12 | kkurbjun | what size is the flash on your player |
| 15:02:25 | tomers | gevaerts: Something is screwed up on your build server. Notice the red cause by r22856 |
| 15:02:26 | kkurbjun | you could keep the flash checks the same too |
| 15:02:30 | Torne | is the onda vx777le the same hardware as the in-progress onda targets? |
| 15:03:07 | gevaerts | tomers: I've seen that before, also on another server. Let's try blaming Zagor... |
| 15:03:27 | tomers | :-) |
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| 15:06:33 | * | gevaerts wonders if this could be a bug in the dependencies that makes -j building not always work properly |
| 15:07:26 | pyro_maniac | funman: i worked a bit on yh920 battery bench but i would like to ask kugel for his calculations. |
| 15:07:41 | Bob_C | We have 2MB NOR (for bootloader) and 128MB NAND (no use yet) |
| 15:08:36 | funman | pyro_maniac: i think the problem is we do not calculate correctly the voltage from the raw ADC read |
| 15:09:22 | pyro_maniac | oh realy |
| 15:09:36 | pyro_maniac | have you an idea about it? |
| 15:09:52 | funman | one needs to read the OF code, i think low_light just did that |
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| 15:11:21 | pyro_maniac | ok so we have to wait again :) |
| 15:12:15 | Zagor | gevaerts: I don't see how that would give this effect. if lang.h does not exist yet, it won't just complain about a single define |
| 15:14:23 | gevaerts | Zagor: my theory is more that the dependencies that lead to lang.h are incomplete, not the ones after that |
| 15:14:51 | Zagor | hmm? |
| 15:19:48 | gevaerts | I mean, lang.h gets generated based on english.lang and features, right? What if features isn't complete yet when this is done? |
| 15:19:51 | tomers | I've noticed that when logging is enabled, some targets gets red and yellows (c100, h100) |
| 15:20:06 | * | gevaerts may be totally wrong here of course |
| 15:20:13 | tomers | Shouldn't we add logf() support in the build system? |
| 15:21:39 | Zagor | tomers: isn't it already? |
| 15:21:58 | tomers | Zagor: Actually, I don't know... |
| 15:22:17 | tomers | But still, c100 can't build with logf() support enabled |
| 15:22:33 | Zagor | tomers: tools/configure can enable it in the (A)dvanced options |
| 15:22:54 | pixelma | tomers: if you have usb_hid in the languages' feature you don't need a seperate UseOption in the platform file for the manual |
| 15:23:10 | pixelma | feature.txt I mean |
| 15:23:16 | tomers | Zagor: I wasn't clear enough... I *enabled* logf() support using tools/configure, but then c100 don't compile! |
| 15:23:47 | tomers | pixelma: Thanks. I'll fix this |
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| 15:29:14 | Zagor | tomers: I get the same error with and without logf for c100 |
| 15:29:44 | tomers | Zagor: mmm... I'll check it |
| 15:30:57 | tomers | Zagor: Yes, the c100 is not even in the build-system. But notice the warning on h100 with logf() enabled, which doesn't show of course in the build system |
| 15:31:46 | Zagor | which warning would that be? I get *exactly* the same result with and without logf |
| 15:32:09 | Zagor | oh, h100. sorry. |
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| 15:37:45 | gevaerts | Zagor: the exact build errors can be reproduced by changing $(BUILDDIR)/apps/features and removing soft_shutdown and charging there. I don't understand how that can happen though |
| 15:38:09 | Zagor | gevaerts: nice catch. and strange... |
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| 15:57:27 | robin0800 | Whats the easiest way to change a wps on the theme site see http://forums.rockbox.org/index.php?topic=22825.0 for details of problem |
| 15:58:20 | AlexP_ | robin0800: Ask an admin to delete it for you |
| 15:58:42 | robin0800 | AlexP_: Could you? |
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| 15:59:28 | AlexP_ | robin0800: Yes, but not for a a couple of hours - PM me (on the forums) the link and I'll do it when I get back |
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| 16:00:02 | robin0800 | AlexP_: Thanks |
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| 16:07:19 | Bob_C | our Lyre proto2 bootloader now builds and runs ok (as far as logo screen), is there anything else we should do before submitting our patch? |
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| 16:12:18 | Zagor | Bob_C: no. just upload it to flyspray. |
| 16:12:52 | Bob_C | Great will do |
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| 16:16:51 | CIA-43 | New commit by tomers (r22858): Since we have usb_hid in feature.txt we don't need a seperate UseOption in the ... |
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| 16:22:44 | tomers | DOes somebody knows how unstable is the Fuze's USB stack? I want to try using it for testing the USB HID feature, but I'm afraid :-) |
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| 16:26:51 | gevaerts | tomers: as far as I know nobody has written actual data transfer code yet |
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| 16:27:33 | tomers | gevaerts: Oh, ok. What is the USB controller on this platform? Do we have the specs? |
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| 16:28:38 | gevaerts | the SansaAMS wiki page has some info. We have a strong suspicion that it's the same controller as one for which we did find specs |
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| 16:30:04 | Zagor | voice for clip will be fun... :-) |
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| 16:52:05 | casainho_ | There is a new patch for adding Lyre Mini2440 target on Rockbox: FS #10627 |
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| 17:00:15 | Zagor | Bob_C, casainho: I changed the filename to .patch so it gets the automatic diffstat display |
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| 17:00:52 | Bob_C | Zagor: thanks I overlooked that |
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| 17:03:26 | ED_209 | hey |
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| 17:03:30 | ED_209 | are there any h300 users here |
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| 17:03:56 | ED_209 | I have this weird battery issue, and I'm wondering if the battery itself is failing or my iriver is failing |
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| 17:06:41 | amiconn | (regarding hwcodec voice file sizes) As for (2), we're already using max. compression (-V9.9999). In order to compress more we'd need to lower the sample rate. Right now we're using 12kHz. 11.025 kHz should be avoided due to MAS3507D bugs, so that'd mean 8kHz, which doesn't sound nice |
| 17:07:29 | amiconn | It would be useful to know which lame version is installed on the server which is used to build the voices |
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| 17:14:47 | Bagder | LAME 32bits version 3.98.2 |
| 17:15:03 | Bagder | 32bits? |
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| 17:23:25 | swiftkick | so is anyone actively working on the e200V2 Sansa AMS USB issue? |
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| 18:33:02 | AlexP | robin0800: hi |
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| 18:49:32 | Bob_C | Would anyone object if we renamed the "lyre_proto2" port to be "mini2440"? |
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| 18:50:39 | casainho_ | Bob_C: refers to FS# 10627 |
| 18:51:05 | casainho_ | Bob_C is referring of FS# 10627 |
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| 18:52:01 | casainho_ | domonoky: you bought the same board, what you think? |
| 18:52:30 | bluebrother | tomers: what has a wrong keymap entry for blackjack in the manual to do with usb? |
| 18:52:31 | domonoky | yes naming the port "mini2440" would be good i think. |
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| 18:53:12 | bluebrother | separate things should really go into separate commits |
| 18:55:44 | domonoky | casainho_: also the patch could need some cleanup. for example button-target still contains gigabeat string. |
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| 18:56:56 | domonoky | and the lcd driver contains ifdefs for gigabeat and lyre_proto2 but it is a new file ? If they are very similar, we should reuse the gigabeat lcd file (maybe move it a bit up in the target tree) |
| 18:56:59 | casainho_ | domonoky: ok, Bob is taking care of the patch, will take care of that lost string |
| 18:57:42 | domonoky | also there is a new kernel-lyre_proto2.c cant we reuse the gigabeat one ? |
| 18:58:45 | funman | if µSD access on Sansa AMS is really fixed by r22850, what else is needed for stable status ? |
| 18:59:04 | saratoga | funman: its still overclocked isn't it? |
| 18:59:05 | funman | There's no recording, occasional glitches in LCD display, and no manual |
| 18:59:09 | Hillshum | The manual? |
| 18:59:12 | funman | saratoga: yeah |
| 18:59:21 | Hillshum | recording's not needed |
| 18:59:38 | saratoga | funman: are the lcd glitches fixed with bertriks imrpvoements? |
| 18:59:53 | funman | saratoga: perhaps, i didn't check (mpegplayer is a fine stress test though) |
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| 19:00:24 | saratoga | i think we should make the fuze stable whenever the uSD clock issue is fixed |
| 19:00:41 | saratoga | theres really no hurry anyway |
| 19:00:47 | funman | what do you fear : breaking µSD cards ? |
| 19:00:54 | Bob_C | We copied the gigabeat files, they are included to allow the bootloader to build. They have not been fully ported yet (or even looked at). The lcd has a lot of SPI stuff which I think is not relevant to mini2440 |
| 19:01:09 | saratoga | funman: well running the sd cards out of spec seems like an unstable sort of thing |
| 19:01:19 | saratoga | i don't think you'll break them but theres some risk of data corruption |
| 19:01:24 | saratoga | IMO a stable device shouldn't have that |
| 19:01:34 | Bob_C | If sharing source is ok, that's fine, I just can't test on Gigabeat |
| 19:01:39 | funman | risk of data corruption can be measured with test_disk |
| 19:02:20 | saratoga | funman: yeah but its entirely dependent on the quality of the individual sd card NAND chips |
| 19:02:47 | funman | we have already some variety of µSD cards among interested testers |
| 19:03:15 | funman | I remember you had measured the clock frequency when using the OF and it was in the specification |
| 19:03:21 | saratoga | well if it really doesn't seem to matter i'm fine with it but i'd still rather wait a while to be sure |
| 19:03:26 | saratoga | yeah the OF clocked my card quite low |
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| 19:03:32 | saratoga | I think it was only 15MHz or something like that |
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| 19:03:55 | saratoga | which is why i'm a little concerned about us using 62MHz |
| 19:04:08 | AlexP | funman: Which ams sansas are you referring to? |
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| 19:04:26 | Hillshum | AlexP: the 2 with uSD slots? |
| 19:04:33 | saratoga | at this point i'm more interested in getting the clip "unstable" |
| 19:04:37 | AlexP | Hillshum: Which are? |
| 19:04:51 | funman | AlexP: the ones with µSD slot (fuzev1/e200v2) |
| 19:04:51 | saratoga | i want to release test builds soon with my updated "logf to disk" patch |
| 19:05:10 | saratoga | so i can see whats going on when it deadlocks for different people |
| 19:05:18 | AlexP | funman: The e200 manual should be pretty easy, just different install instructions pretty much |
| 19:05:22 | funman | c200v2 has a µSD slot also, but is affected by the playback bug of clip/m200v4 |
| 19:05:45 | AlexP | I'll have a look at it |
| 19:05:58 | saratoga | also I keep meaning to ask abotu using some of the rockbox fund money or google money to send mt a clip+ or clipv2 |
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| 19:06:11 | saratoga | i think he would be interested in working on a port |
| 19:06:12 | AlexP | I can't see an issue there |
| 19:06:28 | funman | i can buy clipv1 1GB for €35 |
| 19:06:43 | saratoga | what about a v2? |
| 19:06:47 | funman | oops i meant v2 |
| 19:06:48 | saratoga | (or plus) |
| 19:06:50 | saratoga | ok |
| 19:06:55 | AlexP | I'd love a clip+ port |
| 19:06:55 | funman | i didn't see clip+ yet |
| 19:07:09 | AlexP | The addition of uSD is just groovy |
| 19:07:21 | domonoky | Bob_C: yes, sharing code is recommended if the code is similar. And i can understand you just copied the files to get it running. but it should be cleaned-up before commiting. |
| 19:08:02 | casainho_ | Bob_C: make empty stubs on that file! |
| 19:08:20 | funman | i still see glitches on fuze's lcd |
| 19:08:32 | Bob_C | So it doesn't matter if I can't verify the Gigabeat ports - someone can do that? |
| 19:08:56 | AlexP | Yes, ask for a tester here when ready |
| 19:09:29 | funman | µSD seems stable so far here |
| 19:09:31 | domonoky | Bob_C: i think we will find some testers with gigabeat to verify that you didnt broke anything without problems. |
| 19:10:33 | domonoky | Bob_C: about code sharing, see for example firmware\target\arm\lcd-c200_c200v2 or other drivers there. |
| 19:11:03 | Bob_C | Ok, so they would test the patch locally then give a yay or neigh |
| 19:11:05 | AlexP | What's the Rockbox binary called for e200 ams? |
| 19:11:11 | AlexP | Bob_C: yep |
| 19:11:57 | Bob_C | Ok, I will have to a bit of rework then |
| 19:12:16 | domonoky | AlexPP: i think its rockbox.sansa |
| 19:12:30 | Bob_C | Might take a while longer |
| 19:12:36 | AlexP | domonoky: Thanks |
| 19:13:47 | domonoky | Bob_C: no problem, take your time. i will try to help you when i get my board :-) |
| 19:15:00 | casainho_ | domonoky, Bob_C : I were looking for kugel, as he also wanted to buy this board ;-) |
| 19:16:00 | FlynDice | funman: saratoga: We can run the AMS Sansa SD cards at 49.6 MHz by lowering PCLK if you would accept that tradeoff.... |
| 19:16:35 | funman | FlynDice: what about cards which require 25MHz ? |
| 19:17:35 | FlynDice | Nope, the cards won't run without the bypass bit set right now, MCICLK must = PCLK |
| 19:18:02 | funman | i think 50MHz is only for high speed cards |
| 19:18:17 | FlynDice | at least that's what I've found |
| 19:18:44 | FlynDice | yes, that's true but I don't have a lower class card to check... |
| 19:19:08 | funman | i only have class 6 but i could get another one |
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| 19:21:57 | funman | can i have some help with texlive installation, to build the fuze manual ? |
| 19:22:16 | AlexP | What distro? |
| 19:22:18 | funman | i have a local install of texlive 2008 I had successfully used some months ago, but now I miss tabularx.sty |
| 19:22:32 | funman | ubuntu karmic, with a local install of texlive 2008 (ubuntu repo only have 2007) |
| 19:23:01 | funman | I don't have the installer anymore, I'm not sure if i should run it again or download the missing modules from ctan |
| 19:23:17 | ED_209 | I have this weird battery issue with my iriver h300, does anyone know about these? |
| 19:23:38 | AlexP | Don't know I'm afraid, tabularx is normally in the package AFAIK |
| 19:23:54 | AlexP | funman: I'm doing the e200 v2 manual now too :) |
| 19:24:07 | funman | ctan mentions it's in "tools, required package", but i can't find it in my install |
| 19:24:14 | robin0800 | AlexP: can you delete my theme please? |
| 19:24:20 | AlexP | yep |
| 19:24:56 | robin0800 | AlexP: the maximumart one only |
| 19:25:06 | ED_209 | I charge the iriver, it says it's fully charged, and then while it's off it discharges.. sometimes down to 8%. then when I turn it on again it's at about 8% and it slowly creeps up to around 79%, but when I switch it off and wait a while then switch it on it's back down to 8% again |
| 19:25:13 | funman | AlexP: i'll look at the fuze on my side |
| 19:25:41 | AlexP | robin0800: Done |
| 19:25:45 | AlexP | funman: Cool |
| 19:26:31 | Hillshum | Would it be possible to get CIA to read /docs/COMMITTERS to give the real name? |
| 19:26:34 | ED_209 | does anyone have any idea why this is happening? |
| 19:26:39 | domonoky | ED_209: so its only the battery display ? or did you measure how long it runs on such a seemingly empty battery. |
| 19:26:42 | robin0800 | AlexP: Thanks |
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| 19:28:04 | Hillshum | ED_209: Have you booted the OF to see what it says about the battery? |
| 19:28:24 | ED_209 | that's the problem I have, the battery starts up saying around 3.8v or 3.72v and has only a few % capacity remaining, then I have to use the iriver and the % remaining slowly creeps up while the iriver is running |
| 19:28:26 | funman | Hillshum: i think we must ask to CIA owners / or switch to git |
| 19:28:50 | ED_209 | what's the OF and how would that help me determine the problem? |
| 19:29:04 | Hillshum | Original Firmware |
| 19:29:08 | ED_209 | oh, original firmware... I doubt it would tell me anything about the battery |
| 19:29:16 | ED_209 | it just has like 4 bars |
| 19:29:28 | ED_209 | that's all it tells me |
| 19:30:21 | ED_209 | I mean, there are 4 bars of information and they're either all there, some gone or all gone |
| 19:31:06 | Hillshum | Does their presence (or lack thereof) correlate with what Rockbox says? |
| 19:31:39 | ED_209 | no idea, but rockbox consistently does this, and it's only been happening recently |
| 19:32:14 | ED_209 | telling me battery life remaining in quarterly segments is practically useless |
| 19:32:28 | AlexP | funman: As the install is the same for the fuze and e200 v2 I'll write the manual install for both |
| 19:33:25 | funman | AlexP: ok let me check if it's ok (will you put the patch on flyspray) ? |
| 19:33:44 | domonoky | ED_209: you should be able to see a change from 8% to 79% also with the 4 bars from the OF. If it does the same, maybe your battery is just old, and needs replacement ? |
| 19:33:49 | AlexP | funman: I'm just copying from the wiki, but I'll pastebin it first if you want |
| 19:34:41 | ED_209 | I jsut unplugged it from charging, and switched to the OF and it said full bars, but I switched back to rockbox and during this time it's lost about 10% of remaining battery life |
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| 19:35:16 | ED_209 | but now it's creeping up slowly, I just gained about 5% in teh last couple of minutes |
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| 19:35:41 | ED_209 | this h300 used to act normal |
| 19:36:44 | ED_209 | youd' charge the battery and it'd slowly go down (since it's a 2200mah battery) |
| 19:37:06 | ED_209 | not up/down/up/down/down/up/down |
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| 19:40:47 | ED_209 | I've already ordered a new battery anyway, but could this actually be a rockbox problem? |
| 19:41:06 | Hillshum | See what happens in the OF |
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| 19:41:42 | ED_209 | well, it has 4 bars in the OF, that's practically useless |
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| 19:41:58 | ED_209 | it's showing me in quarters the battery life remaining |
| 19:42:09 | domonoky | ED_209: if you also see the votage rising in the debug area, its unlikely to be a software problem.. |
| 19:43:34 | ED_209 | rising how? there's a flatline for a long time, then a giant peak |
| 19:44:29 | ED_209 | it doesn't save that information in that graph thing when I turn it off |
| 19:44:42 | ED_209 | so I turn it on again and it's just a flatline |
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| 19:45:03 | domonoky | if the percentage goes from 8% to 79% you should see the correlating voltage in the debug menu.. so boot, go into debug menu and watch the voltage. |
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| 19:45:34 | ED_209 | it tells me the voltage anyway if I have the right theme set |
| 19:45:53 | ED_209 | and it's all over the place like the percentage indicator is |
| 19:46:52 | domonoky | so does the voltage rise with the percentage ? and do you also see long voltage drops on drive spinups ? |
| 19:48:40 | ED_209 | the percentage correlates with the voltage |
| 19:48:55 | ED_209 | the graph in the debug area correlates with the voltage |
| 19:49:07 | ED_209 | or seems to |
| 19:49:27 | AlexP | funman: Does mkamsboot need root? |
| 19:50:29 | domonoky | so its unlikely to be a software defect. if you also see long voltage drops on spinups its most likely the battery. |
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| 19:50:51 | domonoky | AlexP: no, it just patches the firmware. |
| 19:50:55 | bertrik | AlexP, AFAIK it just manipulates some files (no devices or anything like that) so it shouldn't need root |
| 19:50:59 | AlexP | OK, cool |
| 19:51:10 | ED_209 | domonoky: have you heard of batteries doing this? |
| 19:51:31 | ED_209 | the voltage seems to drop while it's turned off |
| 19:51:51 | ED_209 | after using it for a while it creeps up |
| 19:52:42 | domonoky | ED_209: it may also just look like it, rockbox first measures the battery, when we need most power. so a voltage drop in this situation on old batterys is likely. |
| 19:53:51 | domonoky | and if the battery needs a long time to recover voltage from a heavy load (because its old), you might get exactly what you see. |
| 19:54:31 | ED_209 | what do you mean by "from a heavy load" |
| 19:56:46 | domonoky | heavy load = drawing much power from the battery. |
| 19:57:08 | ED_209 | ok I'll stop bugging you |
| 19:57:27 | ED_209 | well, the battery seems to drop in voltage while the unit is off |
| 19:58:06 | ED_209 | and you need to keep something running like the backlight or some high bitrate songs before the voltage will start creeping up again |
| 19:58:16 | ED_209 | but I'll just get the new battery and see what happens |
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| 20:14:39 | funman | AlexP: mkamsboot doesn't need root since it operates on files, not on the device |
| 20:15:03 | funman | copying the file to the device might need root if 'mount' is involved |
| 20:15:31 | funman | (3rd answer, sorry) |
| 20:15:45 | Hillshum | If it's already mounted... |
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| 20:18:14 | funman | hal + tools let you auto mount with user permissions |
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| 20:19:51 | Hillshum | Ubuntu has that by default |
| 20:22:31 | AlexP | funman: I'm nearly done with the install stuff for you to look at |
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| 20:23:06 | funman | AlexP: can you paste text (not .tex/diff) please, because I'm still 6 hours left until I can use texlive :/ |
| 20:23:26 | AlexP | funman: I'll give you a copy of the built manual |
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| 20:34:43 | mc2739 | funman: ping |
| 20:35:13 | AlexP | funman: http://aeparker.com/files/rockbox-e200v2-r22858M-090930.pdf - I haven't updated the rest of the manual so bits will be wrong - this is just to look at the install instructions |
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| 20:37:31 | AlexP | What is the volume range on the e200v2? |
| 20:37:56 | AlexP | I guess the sim will tell me this sort of thing :) |
| 20:39:16 | mc2739 | AlexP: volume settings go from -74db to 6db |
| 20:39:45 | AlexP | Thanks - I've just realised I'm going to ask this for pretty much all settings, so I'm building the sim so I don't bother people :) |
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| 20:41:48 | funman | mc2739: pong |
| 20:42:22 | mc2739 | funman: would you be interested in committing a e200v2 lcd patch? |
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| 20:44:14 | funman | sure |
| 20:44:25 | mc2739 | funman: http://www.rockbox.org/tracker/task/10272?getfile=20549 |
| 20:44:40 | Hillshum | Let's assume it works... |
| 20:45:07 | mc2739 | It works for me :) |
| 20:49:39 | funman | mc2739: kugel also changed the name of lcd_write_single_data16 to lcd_write_value16 in the fuze diff ? |
| 20:49:57 | funman | and de-inlined the function => not sure if that changes anything |
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| 20:50:54 | funman | AlexP: shouldn't the manual read e200v2 Series ? |
| 20:51:18 | AlexP | yes, as I say I haven't adjusted it all yet |
| 20:51:22 | funman | oh ok |
| 20:51:33 | mc2739 | funman: I didn't change the name because it was less changes, not sure about the de-inlined function. |
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| 20:54:44 | CIA-43 | New commit by funman (r22859): Fix "lcd driver speed up" on e200v2 ... |
| 20:55:25 | funman | mc2739: thanks |
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| 20:55:46 | mc2739 | funman: thank you, also |
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| 20:55:57 | funman | AlexP: instructions to put the e200v2 in MSC mode could help also |
| 20:56:22 | funman | mc2739: in which menu do you choose usb mode in the e200v2 OF ? |
| 20:56:51 | Hillshum | funman: Settings >> USB Mode |
| 20:57:22 | AlexP | funman: Yes, I thought they were there |
| 20:57:26 | AlexP | funman: I'll add it |
| 20:57:32 | Hillshum | also, the first firmware version had no menu for it, so telling people to upgrade is prolly a good idea |
| 20:57:45 | funman | and there should be a link from mkamsboot to last mkamsboot release on the download server |
| 20:57:56 | funman | and by the way the release candidate could become a 1.1 release |
| 20:58:05 | AlexP | That can be changed as and when |
| 20:58:24 | amiconn | saratoga: ping |
| 20:58:51 | AlexP | funman: Is the USB setting the same as on the fuze? |
| 20:59:12 | funman | yes and all sansa ams i believe (not sure for m200v4) |
| 20:59:29 | AlexP | OK, added that |
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| 21:00:19 | funman | well on Fuze it is Settings >> System Settings >> USB Mode : Auto Detect / MTP / MSC |
| 21:00:37 | AlexP | Does the e200v2 not have button lights? |
| 21:00:57 | funman | on clip it's Settings >> USB Mode so I think it'll have to be device specific |
| 21:00:59 | funman | yes it does |
| 21:01:15 | AlexP | OK, I can't see the setting on the sim |
| 21:01:17 | funman | config-e200v2.h states so |
| 21:03:05 | mc2739 | e200v2 has a scrollwhell light exactly like the v1 |
| 21:03:05 | funman | for 2.2.3 5. I would say first copy the file to the device and then rename it (else it would clash with the already existing file) |
| 21:03:37 | funman | (and 2.2.4) |
| 21:05:05 | AlexP | funman: OK |
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| 21:21:00 | AlexP | funman: Which urls need to be changed? |
| 21:21:43 | funman | AlexP: mkamsboot-1.1RC -> mkamsboot |
| 21:21:49 | AlexP | OK |
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| 21:26:26 | saratoga | amiconn: pong |
| 21:29:39 | amiconn | saratoga: http://www.rockbox.org/irc/log-20090929#07:55:19 |
| 21:30:28 | AlexP | funman: Updated, same file name |
| 21:30:42 | saratoga | amiconn: absolutely, your understanding of this is better then mine |
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| 21:31:16 | saratoga | but be aware that AC3 will eventually end up using the mdct lib, maybe even really soon :) |
| 21:31:20 | amiconn | The question is whether we want to do that change (const'ing constant tables) - it is imported code |
| 21:32:01 | saratoga | amiconn: we do |
| 21:32:03 | Zagor | how many times have we updated our codecs with upstream code? |
| 21:32:13 | saratoga | the MDCT is a generic function |
| 21:32:31 | saratoga | it will never be synced, and will eventually be consolidated with the other mdct codecs |
| 21:33:06 | Zagor | I have a feeling we are sometime a bit too cautious about modifying imported code |
| 21:33:11 | amiconn | ok |
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| 21:36:07 | CIA-43 | New commit by amiconn (r22860): Actually qualify the tables put into .irodata in r22849 as 'const'. Also mark fftorder[] as 'const'. |
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| 21:40:58 | saratoga | scorch: can you give mt (http://forums.rockbox.org/index.php?action=profile;u=22849) a developer badge ? |
| 21:41:07 | AlexP | saratoga: I can |
| 21:41:12 | saratoga | even better |
| 21:41:15 | AlexP | seeing as I am here :) |
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| 21:41:46 | saratoga | amiconn: for what its worth a few people have been looking at possibly using the AC3 mdct or something derived from it as a replacement for the current mdct library |
| 21:41:57 | saratoga | it appears to be based on very nice split radix fft |
| 21:42:18 | AlexP | saratoga: done |
| 21:42:25 | amiconn | Yeah, I've seen that in here |
| 21:42:44 | notlistening | domonoky, when deeloping rbutil did you have some resouces for the languageid used by SAPI? |
| 21:43:06 | mt | AlexP: Thanks :) |
| 21:43:10 | amiconn | I just didn't want to leave the current code in a state that's technically wrong (it worked since there was no mix of ICODE_ATTR and IDATA_ATTR) |
| 21:43:20 | AlexP | mt: you are welcome :) |
| 21:43:32 | saratoga | if it becomes the new mdct lib it'd have to be fixed eventually |
| 21:43:48 | amiconn | I mean, no mix of 'const' and non-'const' in one of these |
| 21:44:58 | domonoky | notlistening: rbutil uses the sapi_voice.vbs script in tools currently. so it uses the lang id mapping from this file. |
| 21:45:25 | saratoga | any theory why apparently rbutil has trouble installing on AMS targets? i thought that was working |
| 21:46:19 | funman | AlexP: i think expliciting "MSC" would be good |
| 21:46:34 | funman | mt: are you interested by clipv2/clip+ port ? |
| 21:48:17 | domonoky | saratoga: what are the problems ? |
| 21:48:56 | mt | funman: Yes |
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| 21:49:50 | AlexP | funman: It is, in the prequisites |
| 21:50:31 | funman | mt: i can buy clipv2 for €35 here |
| 21:50:45 | saratoga | domonoky: looking for the forums post now, but i think someone reported that it didn't install the build itself, just the bootloader (or maybe the reverse) |
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| 21:52:19 | notlistening | domonoky, thanks just checked there is very little information on the net about the use of language ID in SAPI so I will work with what i have |
| 21:52:38 | AlexP | funman: It could be more obvious though, I'll change it to a note (this is the same for all targets that need MSC) |
| 21:53:26 | saratoga | domonoky: perhaps i am mistaken in thinking there was a problme |
| 21:54:17 | saratoga | funman: so I should ask if we can part with 35 euros + postage to have you send one to mt? |
| 21:54:20 | mt | funman: I'll wait till the end of october first, someone I know is going to the US and I might be able to have him buy me one from there. |
| 21:55:57 | AlexP | funman: I'll put it in the manual section as well |
| 21:56:00 | funman | mt: try to get a clip+ ! |
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| 21:59:17 | mt | funman: How much is a clip+ where you live ? |
| 21:59:24 | mt | If it's available :) |
| 21:59:42 | funman | not available :/ |
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| 22:05:11 | CIA-43 | New commit by alex (r22861): Implement the Sansa e200v2 manual. Please let me know about any errors/omissions. |
| 22:05:15 | domonoky | notlistening: i think those lang ids for sapi, are just the id 8hex) from this list: http://www.science.co.il/Language/Locale-Codes.asp |
| 22:07:40 | saratoga | mt: be careful about asking someone else to get you one, you might get a ClipV1 by accident |
| 22:07:47 | saratoga | unless you get a clip+ |
| 22:08:48 | mt | saratoga: I'm going to look online and just ship it to where they'll be staying. |
| 22:09:14 | mt | but I'll probably get a clip_ |
| 22:09:20 | mt | s/_/+ |
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| 22:10:13 | notlistening | clip+ for about £50 from US |
| 22:10:56 | saratoga | the 2GB one is cheaper then that |
| 22:11:13 | saratoga | amazon has it for ~25 pounds |
| 22:11:22 | AlexP | cheap as chips |
| 22:11:53 | mt | I just found one on amazon for ~$38 (incl shipping) |
| 22:12:03 | mt | 2 GB |
| 22:12:29 | saratoga | 2Gb is probably the best bet anyway since you can add microsd and theres some risk of bricking the unit |
| 22:13:08 | notlistening | try froogle.com to search ;) |
| 22:13:42 | AlexP | The 8GB is only $67.28 = £42 = €46 |
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| 22:19:05 | notlistening | $71.55 including delivery to france uk etc |
| 22:19:20 | TheSeven | FYI, i have a very preliminary R/W FTL for nano2g now and need testers who don't care about data loss |
| 22:21:29 | kugel | funman: FlynDice's commit fixes the problems on transcent cards? |
| 22:21:52 | funman | kugel: my card seems to work fine on the few tests i made so far |
| 22:22:08 | kugel | great, give that man a beer! |
| 22:22:22 | funman | indeed, give that funman a beer! |
| 22:22:50 | FlynDice | and one back at you both! |
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| 22:23:44 | kugel | meh, I'd really love to be able to activate the voltage scaling |
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| 22:24:07 | kugel | FlynDice: I want 1 for myself :( |
| 22:24:18 | * | kugel isn't going to share his beer with funman |
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| 22:24:39 | FlynDice | That causes init issues with the uSD, different problem :/ |
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| 22:25:05 | froggyman | was an updated bootloader added to the iPod Video with the 3.4 release? |
| 22:25:37 | * | kugel still thinks boosting for sd accesses isn't a bad idea, and that seems to work with voltage scaling |
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| 22:28:20 | FlynDice | boosting seemed to work fine for me. I just want to know what's causing the init issue for my own curiosity |
| 22:30:01 | kugel | how about everyone gets a 2h extra runtime while you're investigating it? :) |
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| 22:33:15 | kugel | bertrik: do you think clocking down dbop would give some runtime (while backlight is off)? |
| 22:33:42 | CIA-43 | New commit by FlynDice (r22862): AMS Sansa: Rename variable sdhc to sd_v2 to more accurately reflect the information it holds. |
| 22:33:59 | bertrik | kugel, I don't know, I don't expect much runtime of it |
| 22:35:02 | kugel | I think turning it off might give a bit more runtime, but turning on again on button press might be a problem (especially if all buttons are going to be read through dbop) |
| 22:36:05 | FlynDice | kugel: Is anyone objecting to boosting on sd access as a fix for voltage scaling? |
| 22:36:23 | kugel | dunno |
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| 22:36:51 | kugel | my point is that virtually every sd access is boosted anyway |
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| 22:37:27 | kugel | and nobody is really looking into that problem (except you if I read that correctly), so I don't think the real issue is getting solved soon either way |
| 22:37:56 | kugel | the too high clocks looks like a safe bet to cause the problems though |
| 22:38:28 | FlynDice | Same results with PCLK lowered to lower the card speed..;( |
| 22:38:36 | kugel | it possibly needs boosting with correct clocks too though |
| 22:39:27 | kugel | it could be that it "just doesn't work" no matter how we look at it |
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| 22:39:35 | funman | bertrik: what is the status of fs#10603 : needs work on fuze ? |
| 22:39:41 | bertrik | I would like to see nominally correct settings before attempting to work around "bugs" with out-of-spec settings |
| 22:40:28 | Zagor | TheSeven: is your ftl in a patch somewhere? |
| 22:41:00 | TheSeven | no, it's standalone code, but adapting it to rockbox should be easy |
| 22:41:09 | bertrik | funman, yes, it's reported to work OK on e200v2, but on the fuze the scroll wheel is not so fine anymore and hold doesn't work |
| 22:41:10 | TheSeven | Zagor: linuxstb did some trivial wrapper with the old one |
| 22:41:29 | Zagor | where is the old one located? |
| 22:41:31 | kugel | bertrik: the scrollwheel ain't the problem, I got it working nicely with a few modifications |
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| 22:41:52 | funman | bertrik: i'll try to find some time to look at it, it would be nice if it accidentally fixes lcd glitches |
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| 22:42:39 | bertrik | funman, this patch should fix the blue bars at least |
| 22:42:40 | kugel | FlynDice: did you also experience that the e200v2 is smoother/better without the increased polling rate with FS #10603? |
| 22:42:44 | TheSeven | Zagor: don't know if that ever reached rockbox SVN, as it wasn't quite working |
| 22:42:52 | Zagor | aha |
| 22:43:07 | kugel | in SVN, scrollwheel is polled every 5ms, with that patch only each tick (10ms) |
| 22:43:33 | TheSeven | Zagor: just uploaded my code to theseven/releases/toolkit.7z">http://l4n.clustur.com/data/theseven/releases/toolkit.7z |
| 22:45:09 | FlynDice | kugel: My scrollweel worked fine with FS #10603 |
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| 22:45:47 | kugel | did you compare with after reverting the change to kernel-as3525.c? see my comments |
| 22:46:16 | * | kugel did have an idea to improve the wheel a bit further |
| 22:47:21 | amiconn | kugel: If voltage scaling causes problems with sd access, I'd guess the problem is that the voltage is too low for the sd card and/or interface. I think that just "boosting" the voltage during sd access should fix that |
| 22:47:47 | amiconn | Or is voltage scaling handled automatically by the SoC, and you can only enable/disable it? |
| 22:47:52 | kugel | yea that's my suspicion too |
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| 22:47:59 | funman | we can change the voltage but it requires some time |
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| 22:48:55 | kugel | amiconn: we can set the voltage in 4 levels |
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| 22:51:30 | Zagor | it could be worth looking at UBI (Unsorted Block Images) from the linux kernel. it's not a FTL but does most of the same things... |
| 22:54:52 | kugel | FlynDice: we can only base the sd clock off pclk? |
| 22:55:16 | kugel | I remember we have a second PLL, but I assume that won't help? |
| 22:57:59 | TheSeven | Zagor: for nano2g, we neccessarily need whimory, as we can't boot else (the bootloader stage we're modifying is already inside the FTL) |
| 22:58:13 | Zagor | aha |
| 22:58:16 | saratoga | kugel: you could get some increase in fuze battery life if you decreased the normal clock speed to ~32 MHz instead of 64 |
| 22:58:18 | FlynDice | kugel: Whenever I try to divide the clock to a lower frequency the cards don't work. I can lower the card frequency by lowering PCLK. The cards run fine at MCICLK == PCLK == 32MHz but MCICLK != PCLK won't work |
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| 22:58:52 | kugel | saratoga: that won't pay off I fear |
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| 22:59:18 | kugel | 32 is too slow for dbop, and too slow for most codecs (which would mean more boosting) |
| 22:59:58 | saratoga | kugel: ideally we should be boosting during playback, no boosting means wasted clock, and with voltage scaling, there is no downside to boosting |
| 23:00 |
| 23:00:01 | kugel | especially with voltage scaling, less boosting gives better runtime over just lower clocks |
| 23:00:16 | saratoga | oh i see what you mean |
| 23:00:26 | saratoga | regardless, running at 62MHz wastes a lot of power |
| 23:00:57 | saratoga | some way should be found to reduce that, even if it involves a more complicated solution |
| 23:01:19 | rasher | AlexP: nice @ the e200v2 manual |
| 23:01:31 | kugel | I'm quite satisfied with 62MHz, and I rather doubt 31MHz has a noticeable/positive effect |
| 23:02:00 | saratoga | kugel: spec sheet says 0.25mW per MHz IIRC |
| 23:02:15 | AlexP | rasher: It's quite easy when it is virtually all the same as an existing one :) |
| 23:02:24 | saratoga | and theres probably some additional savings from reducing the other clocks |
| 23:02:34 | saratoga | (DBOP as you mentioned above) |
| 23:02:34 | kugel | can you find that page? |
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| 23:03:51 | saratoga | kugel: Table 9 ARM 922T characteristics |
| 23:03:54 | kugel | let me put it this way, with 62MHz any plugin runs just fine (bubbles, pf, and more), compared to the e200v1 where running some plugins without boosting is no way fun |
| 23:04:12 | bertrik | most ARMs have a low power wait-for-interrupt mode, so running at higher clocks means it's done faster and spend more time in the low power mode :) |
| 23:04:35 | saratoga | does ARM9? it seems like a fairly primative chip |
| 23:04:47 | TheSeven | i think so, see the CP15 regs |
| 23:04:55 | kugel | I'd love to have a 3 tier boosting, we could possibly have that isolated in the target tree (boost to 62MHz during LCD updates for example, it's without delay anyway) |
| 23:05:07 | saratoga | kugel: that seems sensible |
| 23:05:18 | saratoga | have the boost code check if the LCD is enabled |
| 23:05:48 | saratoga | would also be useful on PP too, but thats another issue |
| 23:06:23 | kugel | I see 0.25mW, but that's probabl a lot less than that with reduced voltage |
| 23:06:35 | saratoga | power scales with v^2 |
| 23:06:41 | kugel | 0.25 is for 1.2V |
| 23:07:10 | TheSeven | saratoga: MCR p15, 0, Rd, c7, c0, 4 works at least for the 940T |
| 23:07:16 | saratoga | so 1.1v is .21mW per MHz |
| 23:07:34 | kugel | almost 1/5 less |
| 23:07:41 | saratoga | yeah |
| 23:08:04 | saratoga | of course reducing the average clock from 62 to 40 is 1/3 less or so :) |
| 23:08:13 | kugel | it also says "with cach", who knows how much the cache influences that |
| 23:08:18 | * | TheSeven needs to implement that in ibugger to stop that awful battery drain |
| 23:08:23 | saratoga | thats refering to what features the core has I think |
| 23:08:57 | kugel | the table I'm looking at has cache (sizes) in a separate row |
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| 23:10:21 | saratoga | you mean column? |
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| 23:11:42 | kugel | saratoga: I'm just looking at this small one here: http://www.arm.com/products/CPUs/ARM922T.html |
| 23:12:24 | saratoga | kugel: power scaling is process specific, i don't think you should use the generic arm figures |
| 23:13:04 | kugel | saratoga: that's a 922T table |
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| 23:13:54 | saratoga | kugel: the 922T is a bunch of source code thats compiled into a CPU by a vendor using details about their specific CMOS process |
| 23:14:10 | saratoga | the arm figures are just estimates for some typical process, they're not specific to the one AMS used |
| 23:14:34 | saratoga | the actual numbers can be adjusted by tweaking the process for performance or power consumption |
| 23:15:45 | amiconn | saratoga: Multi-level boosting doesn't make sense on a cpu which has no voltage scaling |
| 23:15:57 | amiconn | With voltage scaling it makes a lot of sense though |
| 23:16:17 | amiconn | (regarding your cearlier omment about PP) |
| 23:16:20 | kugel | especially if boosting is a zero-wait one |
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| 23:16:48 | Roger__ | hello |
| 23:17:11 | saratoga | amiconn: sorry I just meant detecting if the screen is on for PP and using different idle clocks |
| 23:17:12 | amiconn | kugel: That's irrelevant regarding power consumption - it only dictates how often you can switch without negative effects |
| 23:17:15 | kugel | saratoga: how would you boost to 62MHz for playback= |
| 23:17:20 | amiconn | saratoga: why? |
| 23:17:44 | Roger__ | i have a 30gb ipod video with rockbox installed. what is a good way to sync my music to it? |
| 23:17:48 | saratoga | amiconn: because we only need ~24MHz for MP3 playback, but the GUI is unresponsive at that clock |
| 23:18:02 | saratoga | so it doesn't look good unless the screen is off anyway |
| 23:18:25 | amiconn | Well that surely depends on the actual target |
| 23:18:50 | * | amiconn would expect no visible slowness at 24MHz on the greyscale PP targets |
| 23:18:55 | saratoga | kugel: I would do 31MHz if the screen is off, 62MHz if the screen is on, and then whatever is best for the full boost clock (250 I guess ) |
| 23:19:02 | bertrik | I often wonder if we can come up with a way to detect exactly when boost is needed instead of just saying "always boost for X" |
| 23:19:22 | saratoga | amiconn: indeed even the e200 works nicely at 24, but the Ipod Video apparently does not |
| 23:19:32 | Zagor | the problem is that we need to know slightly before it is needed... |
| 23:19:40 | kugel | saratoga: 31MHz for playback is bad if it means more often boosting to 248 (and upping the voltage) |
| 23:19:44 | Hillshum | Zagor: Yesterday I noticed the compare revisions page on the wiki doesn't have the right theme |
| 23:19:46 | bertrik | like for example when we have threads yielding with more threads waiting to run |
| 23:19:46 | saratoga | well nice enough for me anyway, others might disagree |
| 23:20:00 | Zagor | Hillshum: right, that's left to fix |
| 23:20:02 | gevaerts | Roger__: that really depends on you |
| 23:20:03 | amiconn | Then I think the small difference between 24MHz and 30MHz isn't worth introducing complexity |
| 23:20:06 | Zagor | and search results too |
| 23:20:22 | bertrik | Zagor, sad but probably trye ... |
| 23:20:24 | saratoga | kugel: well 200MHz then so you don't need to change the voltage |
| 23:20:27 | bertrik | *true |
| 23:20:35 | Roger__ | gevaerts: what are the opstions |
| 23:20:38 | Roger__ | *options |
| 23:20:40 | amiconn | Zagor: %W% isn't working in foswiki |
| 23:20:47 | saratoga | amiconn: yes thats why i dropped it when we discussed it last year, but if the mechanism is introduced anyway for AMS it might be worth using it for PP |
| 23:20:55 | Zagor | amiconn: what is %W%? |
| 23:21:12 | gevaerts | Roger__: well, I just copy the files from a command prompt. There may be GUI tools, but I don't know about them... |
| 23:21:26 | amiconn | I guess it was a warning graphic. |
| 23:21:44 | kugel | saratoga: I don't like the idea of limiting the maximum performance that much |
| 23:21:52 | saratoga | kugel: are there any AMS codecs which need 250MHz? |
| 23:21:56 | saratoga | i guess APE might? |
| 23:22:15 | Hillshum | APE needs all it can get? |
| 23:22:33 | saratoga | someone should run test_codec on AMS so we find out |
| 23:22:35 | gevaerts | Hillshum: slightly more actually |
| 23:22:46 | amiconn | saratoga: I don't think that constant-voltage targets should get such a probably complex boosting algorithm |
| 23:22:58 | Roger__ | gevaerts: i was thinking of a program which keeps track of my new music and adds it |
| 23:22:59 | kugel | there's also a few core stuff which is nicer with full performance |
| 23:22:59 | Hillshum | saratoga: I need to compile it right |
| 23:23:09 | Roger__ | rather than copying all of it |
| 23:23:12 | Hillshum | Also, where do I get a ape file |
| 23:23:13 | Hillshum | ? |
| 23:23:14 | kugel | building tagcache for example |
| 23:23:18 | saratoga | Hillshum: yes by adding it to plugins/SOURCES |
| 23:23:56 | saratoga | Hillshum: I think you're supposed to take the example FLAC and transcode it so you know which setting was used |
| 23:24:07 | Hillshum | Okay |
| 23:24:15 | Hillshum | now for a way to transcode it |
| 23:24:15 | Zagor | amiconn: where is it used? foswiki uses %ICON{"warning"}% for that. %W% seems rather short. I wonder if that was something extra. |
| 23:24:17 | saratoga | kugel: IMO these things should boost regardless so they happen efficiently |
| 23:24:36 | kugel | it does boost |
| 23:24:51 | saratoga | oh you mean to 250MHz |
| 23:24:56 | kugel | yes |
| 23:25:43 | saratoga | well theres always the option of the a multilevel boost then with 200 and 250 if we find it really makes a difference |
| 23:26:08 | amiconn | Zagor: Probably quite a number of pages. Two examples: http://www.rockbox.org/wiki/SansaE200Unbrick , http://www.rockbox.org/wiki/SansaC200Port |
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| 23:26:32 | kugel | I like the idea of having 31 and 248, with an additionally 62 playback&ui boost |
| 23:27:30 | kugel | 31MHz isn't even enough for mp3/ogg IIUC |
| 23:28:20 | saratoga | definatelu not for MP3 |
| 23:28:32 | saratoga | its probably about right for Ogg unless AMS is a lot slower then PP |
| 23:28:56 | amiconn | AMS should be faster than PP since it's ARM9 |
| 23:29:08 | saratoga | yeah but in practice it seems to suffer from having slower IRAM |
| 23:29:56 | saratoga | i don't think we ever really worked out the latency exactly but it seemed like an uncached access to the IRAM (really eDRAM) takes several clock cycles |
| 23:30:04 | amiconn | Really? That would also mean caching isn't nearly as efficient as on PP |
| 23:30:09 | saratoga | particularly when boosted since the IRAM is clocked at 65MHz |
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| 23:30:35 | kugel | ogg is just about at 30MHz on a e200 in *test_codec*, considering the lot of other code that runs in normal operation, you possible want to add a few MHz to that |
| 23:30:39 | amiconn | On PP5022, iram makes almost no difference because of caching |
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| 23:31:19 | saratoga | amiconn: compared to Coldfire, but good use of IRAM still shaves several MHz off |
| 23:31:40 | saratoga | just not dozens of them like CF |
| 23:31:56 | amiconn | Yeah, CF has no data cache |
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| 23:32:08 | saratoga | but overall I think the cache is probably much better on AMS, just it can't be quite as good for codecs like MP3 which never even touch DRAM |
| 23:32:21 | kugel | iram is only a very little faster than dram on ams |
| 23:32:50 | kugel | iram is cached too, isn't it? |
| 23:33:42 | saratoga | yeah they both should be unless we've done something wrong |
| 23:34:36 | saratoga | overall AMS probably runs very similar to the gigabeat F |
| 23:35:11 | saratoga | unfortunately we have no benchmarks for the F that arne't years out of date |
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| 23:35:14 | kugel | FX has more cache |
| 23:35:16 | kugel | a lot more |
| 23:35:56 | saratoga | yeah 16/16 isntead of 8/8 |
| 23:36:15 | Roger__ | what programs does everyone use to sync their music with rock box? |
| 23:36:39 | Zagor | Roger__: I use /bin/cp :-) |
| 23:37:06 | kugel | I use mediamonkey, but most use plain drag and drop (or cp) I assume |
| 23:37:13 | * | bertrik uses copy/paste with windows explorer |
| 23:37:24 | Roger__ | what is bin/cp? |
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| 23:38:01 | kugel | Zagor: ever considered rsync? |
| 23:38:16 | Zagor | kugel: no. I only ever copy in one direction. |
| 23:38:31 | * | Hillshum has used MediaMonkey |
| 23:38:31 | Zagor | Roger__: the unix/linux command line file copy command |
| 23:38:31 | Roger__ | just plain drag and drop i cant always remember the new music i have |
| 23:38:42 | Roger__ | ah. i have windows |
| 23:40:47 | robin0800 | Roger__: I like microsofts sync toy |
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| 23:41:02 | Roger__ | is that on xp? |
| 23:41:19 | robin0800 | Roger__: Its a power toy |
| 23:41:40 | Roger__ | cool ill check that out |
| 23:41:46 | Roger__ | and media monkey :) |
| 23:45:38 | amiconn | Zagor: It seems %W% used to be a warning icon at some point, but I can't find that in the twiki wiki. See here: http://web.archive.org/web/20070425203021/www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/SansaE200TroubleShooting (note the "A word of caution" heading) |
| 23:47:32 | Hillshum | saratoga: I might boot into Windows sometime and encode that ape file |
| 23:49:12 | amiconn | Hmm, today it's %X%, and the MajorChanges page already used %X% back in 2007... |
| 23:49:30 | Zagor | amiconn: this page even says that also twiki used %ICON notation: http://web.archive.org/web/20070206172337/http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/TWiki/TextFormattingRules#TWiki_Variables |
| 23:49:55 | amiconn | Yes, but shortcuts are better for often-used icons |
| 23:50:17 | Zagor | aha, it seems the SmiliesPlugin was used to create the shortcut |
| 23:51:43 | | Part likemindead ("facepalm.jpg") |
| 23:52:23 | amiconn | Since it's just another shortcut for the same thing, it might be better to change all %W% to %X% |
| 23:52:47 | amiconn | Is there an easy way to search for them on the server |
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| 23:53:30 | Zagor | it is used on 17 pages |
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| 23:57:02 | amiconn | Is it possible to do the replacement on the server as well? |
| 23:57:38 | Hillshum | sed on the files? |
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