| 00:01:46 | TheSeven | doesn't change anything |
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| 00:02:51 | linuxstb | Can you upload your audiotest code somewhere? |
| 00:05:36 | TheSeven | i ditched the whole wmaudio stuff now and replaced it with my own, still doesn't work |
| 00:06:17 | linuxstb | You could try some plugins that play audio - e.g. metronome |
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| 00:07:14 | TheSeven | metronome fails with a beeping piezo |
| 00:07:27 | linuxstb | Ah yes, it will try the user timer (currently TIMERD...) |
| 00:07:41 | linuxstb | (we need to get a second timer working in Rockbox) |
| 00:08:40 | linuxstb | OK, then maybe test_sampr - it's one of the test plugins, so isn't compiled by default. Add the line "test_sampr.c" to apps/plugins/SOURCES to enable building it. |
| 00:09:13 | TheSeven | i think i'll do some splashf'ing now |
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| 00:16:48 | TheSeven | where can i see the contents of the logf buffer? |
| 00:17:54 | domonoky1 | TheSeven: you need to build a logf enabled build, and then its in the debug screen somewhere (afaik) |
| 00:18:12 | TheSeven | how do i enable that? |
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| 00:20:59 | DerPapst | #include "logf.h" iirc |
| 00:21:08 | * | DerPapst doesn't know for sure :P |
| 00:21:56 | linuxstb | TheSeven: You need to enable logf when you run tools/configure (in the advanced options I think). Then add #include "logf.h" (if it's not already there), but with "#define LOGF_ENABLE" _before_ the #include line |
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| 00:22:31 | linuxstb | This is so you can leave calls to logf in your code, and only enable them when you need to debug that part of the code. |
| 00:22:49 | linuxstb | (and so that the logf buffer isn't spammed with messages from all over Rockbox) |
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| 00:23:15 | gevaerts | of course you can compile with -DLOGF_ENABLE for lots of fun :) |
| 00:23:30 | linuxstb | On targets with usb-serial (hint, hint!), you can logf over usb... |
| 00:24:20 | TheSeven | ...or over UART |
| 00:24:32 | linuxstb | Easier... |
| 00:25:06 | TheSeven | in fact, in our current situation, USB could be easier, as we have both sample code and UART requires hardware hacking |
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| 00:25:54 | CIA-43 | New commit by tomers (r22930): Use similiar constants in genlang and language.c. ... |
| 00:26:10 | Ctcp | Ping from gevaerts!n=fg@rockbox/developer/gevaerts |
| 00:26:36 | * | pamaury thinks the beautiful logf screen in the debug menu he coded is even easier to use than uart and usb-serial |
| 00:27:01 | gevaerts | pamaury: not if you have lots of data :) |
| 00:27:10 | linuxstb | Or want it real-time... |
| 00:27:36 | pamaury | I've noticed it during my intensive debug sessions with MTP :) |
| 00:27:42 | gevaerts | that's when pamaury's other contribution comes in : make usb-serial actually work :) |
| 00:27:45 | CIA-43 | New commit by kkurbjun (r22931): Brickmania: Some code refactoring - no functional changes. |
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| 00:29:29 | pamaury | The problem with usb-serial is that it uses two usb endpoints, on some target with few endpoints, it can be a problem when both MSC and HID are activated |
| 00:30:15 | gevaerts | indeed. That would be less of a problem if choosing which drivers to enable would be a bit easier... |
| 00:31:23 | pamaury | That's why in my svn code, I've changed usb-core: when a special button is pushed(< on e280), only the activated drivers are enabled and I have one entry per driver. easy... |
| 00:31:36 | kugel | hrml |
| 00:31:52 | kugel | nevermind |
| 00:33:06 | liar|netbook | TheSeven: on my nano2g ftl_init fails: /* Something went terribly wrong.... */ return 1; <= this is where the ATA error: 1 comes from |
| 00:33:19 | pamaury | perhaps it would be cool to have a option in the debug menu which says: 1)"MSC-HID mode" 2)"MTP+HID" mode 3)... n)"Selective mode" |
| 00:33:50 | amiconn | usb serial has another disadvantage over real rs232 for debugging: it's more complex and (I think) does more buffering, so chances are higher that things go wrong with the transfer |
| 00:33:50 | TheSeven | liar|netbook: this means something before, probably ftl_init or vfl_init failed |
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| 00:34:41 | amiconn | TheSeven: Hmm, iiuc rockbox should also handle previous unclean shutdown in its ftl? |
| 00:35:07 | gevaerts | pamaury: we'll need something like that at some point, accessible for normal users (i.e. not in debug) |
| 00:35:16 | * | gevaerts is off now |
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| 00:35:43 | TheSeven | amiconn: it can't do that currently, and implementing that will be very tricky and error-prone |
| 00:35:57 | * | pamaury goes to bed also |
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| 00:36:06 | TheSeven | and the only case where this usually happens is if you bootstrap rockbox through ibugger, loaded through the notes exploit |
| 00:36:29 | TheSeven | i.e. if the OF has touched the flash |
| 00:37:23 | amiconn | And also if we want to get rid of the OF completely (i.e. flash rockbox) |
| 00:38:02 | TheSeven | amiconn: flashing rockbox to nor implies a pretty high bricking risk on these devices |
| 00:38:36 | TheSeven | YEEEEEEEEEAAAAAAAAAAAAAHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH! |
| 00:38:41 | TheSeven | Gentlemen... |
| 00:38:48 | TheSeven | ...WE HAVE SOUND!!! |
| 00:38:49 | kugel | :D awesome! |
| 00:38:53 | linuxstb | \o/ |
| 00:39:15 | DerPapst | woot! |
| 00:39:17 | *** | Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" |
| 00:39:33 | DerPapst | Congratulation TheSeven and linuxstb :D |
| 00:39:45 | TheSeven | now I need to find out WHY this actually works now |
| 00:39:57 | amiconn | TheSeven: Bricking risk when flashing to nor is always quite high. That's why we have fallback mechanisms on all targets where we can do this atm |
| 00:40:00 | TheSeven | enabling logf seems to have fixed it... o.0 |
| 00:40:14 | TheSeven | (or rather the complete rebuild caused by that) |
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| 00:41:14 | amiconn | Full flashing is usually only done once, after that we only update the rockbox image in flash; the fallback and selector are rarely updated (and never automatically - full flashing is a separate process) |
| 00:41:21 | linuxstb | TheSeven: Time to double-check that... Otherwise, maybe an alignment issue? |
| 00:42:02 | TheSeven | amiconn: if you flash something that has a correct checksum but doesn't work, you're bricked. |
| 00:42:10 | TheSeven | so developing that means trashing lots of them. |
| 00:42:32 | TheSeven | and I don't see no reason at all why we should do this (can't see any advantage) |
| 00:42:47 | linuxstb | Normally a much faster boot time. |
| 00:43:02 | TheSeven | about 2 seconds difference |
| 00:43:21 | amiconn | Also running 100% our code |
| 00:43:22 | DerPapst | but the oder ipods didn't require any flashing too... |
| 00:43:25 | TheSeven | (or 10 to 20 seconds after an unclean unmount, as norboot is repairing the flash) |
| 00:43:29 | DerPapst | *older |
| 00:43:46 | linuxstb | DerPapst: No, it's not _required_, just nicer. |
| 00:44:07 | TheSeven | DerPapst: did anybody at iPL ever dare to flash a modified AUPD? |
| 00:44:11 | Galois | what do we have sound on? |
| 00:44:13 | linuxstb | But it's generally a lot of work (and risk), so few targets support it. |
| 00:44:15 | amiconn | DerPapst: No target *requires* flashing rockbox (some require flashing our bootloader though), but it's still desirable |
| 00:44:22 | DerPapst | TheSeven: not that i know of |
| 00:44:28 | TheSeven | it's pretty safe since nano 3g, but the 2g is still high-risk |
| 00:44:31 | linuxstb | TheSeven: I _think_ ipodwizard does that - e.g. to change the boot logo. |
| 00:45:03 | TheSeven | linuxstb: only flashing the logo is also relatively safe, but flashing code isn't |
| 00:45:09 | amiconn | The archoses fortunately have an ultimate safety net (unless you've one of the very rare bootrom-less devices) |
| 00:45:13 | TheSeven | the code in NOR is our only way to recover |
| 00:45:32 | TheSeven | amiconn: that's true for the ipods, too, since 3g |
| 00:45:43 | linuxstb | We did the equivalent of flashing code to NOR on the Sansa Clip - it just needs a _lot_ of care... |
| 00:45:44 | DerPapst | the advantage over a flashed ipod compared to the risk of bricking it isn't worth it... for me at least |
| 00:45:51 | TheSeven | the 2g has a bootrom DFU mode, too, but that can only be triggered by a bad flash checksum, not by the user |
| 00:46:12 | amiconn | The coldfire irivers don't, and yet flashing was done (well they can be recovered, but only using a bdm, which isn't a cheap piece of hardware) |
| 00:46:31 | linuxstb | Basically adding code a few instructions at a time, and checking the disassembly lots of times before praying... |
| 00:46:32 | TheSeven | i don't think anyone will care about 2 seconds boot time and showing an apple logo during these (even though we could even replace that logo without too much risk) |
| 00:47:04 | NHeal | (timeout) robinson.freenode.net irc.freenode.net |
| 00:47:07 | linuxstb | TheSeven: I don't think anyone is saying it's important. But it's always a nice thing when it's done. |
| 00:48:01 | TheSeven | I wouldn't even flash it if it was tested hundreds of times before |
| 00:48:14 | * | DerPapst too |
| 00:48:46 | TheSeven | we may consider that on the newer devices which enter BR DFU after double-resetting, but for the old ones it's just not worth the risk |
| 00:49:19 | * | TheSeven is step by step reverting his changes now until it breaks again |
| 00:50:41 | * | TheSeven just noticed *why* it failed before, when he looked at his shell history |
| 00:50:41 | linuxstb | Galois: 2nd generation iPod Nano. |
| 00:51:51 | * | DerPapst bets TheSeven forgot to actually install the new build :P |
| 00:52:19 | TheSeven | no, i accidentally added a trailing ´ to the destination file name while hitting enter |
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| 00:52:36 | TheSeven | (while copying over the new build) |
| 00:52:59 | DerPapst | well. at least the same effect ;) |
| 00:53:21 | Galois | linuxstb: rock on |
| 00:53:47 | TheSeven | linuxstb: your wmcodec change didn't show any effect (i.e. still works after reverting) |
| 00:54:07 | linuxstb | TheSeven: OK, good. Because that made no sense... |
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| 00:55:08 | TheSeven | one reason that could cause additional trouble with a clean svn build could be the stack size, just as a reminder |
| 00:56:48 | TheSeven | linuxstb: I'll send you a really ridiculous patch now |
| 00:56:56 | TheSeven | in fact i'm considering just pasting it into IRC |
| 00:56:59 | TheSeven | it's 4 lines |
| 00:57:03 | linuxstb | Go ahead... |
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| 00:57:28 | liar|netbook | TheSeven: ftl_open fails because ftlcxtfound == 0, but i have no idea of anything(never had to do with ftl code before) |
| 00:58:23 | saratoga | amiconn: i'm curious if you think buffering the codec files ahead of time makes sense on the clip |
| 00:58:50 | TheSeven | liar|netbook: try commenting the break below /* This will trip if there was an unclean unmount before. */ |
| 00:58:55 | amiconn | It makes sense in that it means less special casing, as I already said |
| 00:59:23 | amiconn | It also makes sense in that it seems to help finding bug in buffering |
| 00:59:28 | amiconn | *bugs |
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| 01:00:02 | TheSeven | theseven/releases/audio.patch">http://l4n.clustur.com/theseven/releases/audio.patch |
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| 01:00:20 | DerPapst | 404 |
| 01:00:22 | * | TheSeven always forgets the correct URL |
| 01:00:24 | TheSeven | theseven/releases/audio.patch">http://l4n.clustur.com/data/theseven/releases/audio.patch |
| 01:00:52 | TheSeven | I'm pretty sure none of these lines actually fixed the real problem |
| 01:01:01 | TheSeven | if anything, it's the last change |
| 01:01:53 | TheSeven | linuxstb: I think you can commit that right away, huh? |
| 01:02:23 | linuxstb | TheSeven: Yes, although let me test first ;) |
| 01:02:35 | TheSeven | I didn't check if the upper changes make any difference, but the old code was definitely just wrong. |
| 01:02:36 | linuxstb | But no need to post to flyspray, if that's what you're asking. |
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| 01:03:03 | TheSeven | (not that removing that GPIO code from audiotest would have prevented it from working...) |
| 01:03:43 | coolrun34 | how are you guys managing your song playlists |
| 01:03:53 | coolrun34 | i installed rockbox because my ipod would keep reseting |
| 01:03:56 | coolrun34 | and itunes would crash |
| 01:04:12 | coolrun34 | seems to work fine |
| 01:04:29 | TheSeven | linuxstb: if it fails for one or the other reason, try a complete rebuild. I think that's what actually fixed the last problems for me. |
| 01:04:34 | coolrun34 | but my question is i cant see all the songs that were on there physically before the rockbox isntall |
| 01:05:23 | saratoga | mt: ping |
| 01:05:28 | linuxstb | TheSeven: Yes, it doesn't work for me... Let me do a rebuild (although I can't think why that would help...) |
| 01:06:44 | linuxstb | coolrun34: http://www.rockbox.org/wiki/IpodFAQ might help |
| 01:07:32 | linuxstb | TheSeven: I am just running current SVN, plus the stack change and audio.patch |
| 01:08:38 | TheSeven | linuxstb: that's roughly what I'm running, too, besides from some unrelated FTL changes (i.e. force mount flag, even if unclean) |
| 01:09:39 | coolrun34 | thank you |
| 01:09:40 | coolrun34 | so much |
| 01:09:43 | coolrun34 | it actually helped |
| 01:09:50 | coolrun34 | sorry about the lame questions |
| 01:09:53 | coolrun34 | but u did help me out |
| 01:09:54 | coolrun34 | =) |
| 01:10:35 | * | TheSeven is updating to current SVN now and will then do another patch with all of his (unrelated) changes |
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| 01:13:39 | linuxstb | TheSeven: No, still no luck. It just stays at 0:00 |
| 01:14:00 | TheSeven | oops, i once again overlooked something |
| 01:14:16 | TheSeven | i in fact disabled the clock setup again |
| 01:15:26 | linuxstb | Ah... |
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| 01:17:16 | TheSeven | funny. still works after re-enabling it |
| 01:17:43 | TheSeven | I'll do another make clean && make && make fullzip now to get rid of any old crap that may be remaining |
| 01:18:28 | * | TheSeven needs a faster build machine |
| 01:18:33 | linuxstb | If it works, I could try your zip. |
| 01:20:27 | TheSeven | btw, i have the impression that there is some slightly noticable clickering every half a second |
| 01:20:38 | TheSeven | still need to check whether it's the mp3 that's at fault though |
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| 01:24:36 | TheSeven | another thing i consider a bug: when i open a file, rockbox almost hangs for several seconds while filling its buffers |
| 01:24:52 | TheSeven | probably caused by busy waiting in the nand driver |
| 01:25:19 | linuxstb | Yes, I meant to ask you about that - you just start the DMA transfer and busy-wait for it to finish? |
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| 01:25:48 | TheSeven | yep, I wanted to keep things safe, slow and stupid... |
| 01:25:57 | linuxstb | Of course. |
| 01:26:17 | saratoga | does the notes exploit still exist on the Nano5G? |
| 01:26:26 | TheSeven | nope |
| 01:26:42 | TheSeven | they fixed it in the 4g firmware that came out some weeks before |
| 01:26:44 | linuxstb | Or the latest OF version on the 4G (but you can downgrade easily) |
| 01:26:55 | saratoga | so they saw what you were doing? |
| 01:27:01 | TheSeven | obviously |
| 01:27:26 | saratoga | hardware wise are the newer nanos similar to the 2G? |
| 01:27:32 | saratoga | same SOC and such? |
| 01:27:42 | TheSeven | no, newer models of that soc |
| 01:28:53 | TheSeven | 2g = 8701, 3g/classic = 8702, 4g = 8720 (the ipod touch 2g soc!), 5g = 8730 |
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| 01:30:16 | linuxstb | TheSeven: How's that build doing? |
| 01:30:46 | TheSeven | testing it right now |
| 01:31:10 | TheSeven | oh NO! |
| 01:31:16 | TheSeven | the file browser is broken! |
| 01:31:27 | TheSeven | same bug as with the other browsers earlier |
| 01:32:06 | TheSeven | and audio is broken again |
| 01:32:56 | liar|netbook | TheSeven: now ftl_vfl_read returns 4 |
| 01:33:15 | TheSeven | => you fed it a block number that's out of bounds |
| 01:33:29 | * | TheSeven is confused |
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| 01:40:05 | * | kugel too |
| 01:41:21 | TheSeven | crap! |
| 01:43:41 | kugel | curse albumart being tied to the playback engine! |
| 01:44:19 | kugel | I can't really think of a way to do multiple albumarts in a clean and safe way |
| 01:45:52 | * | TheSeven curses whatever code is fooling him right now |
| 01:46:19 | TheSeven | there must be some special voodoo when rebuilding rockbox in a clean directory |
| 01:48:02 | * | TheSeven once again notices some clickering |
| 01:48:33 | linuxstb | TheSeven: So it's working again? |
| 01:49:41 | TheSeven | yes, besides that noise |
| 01:50:37 | * | TheSeven wonders what makes rockbox fail to unmount the flash all the time now |
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| 01:52:00 | Blue_Dude | Regarding threads: at any given time, how many separate threads are running, and what is a good way to track them? |
| 01:53:01 | saratoga | Blue_Dude: the debug menu has a thread viewer |
| 01:53:13 | saratoga | i think theres about 10 |
| 01:55:00 | Blue_Dude | A read something in the log about how you're not supposed to put up anything on the display outside the main thread, or something like that. May have been a splash screen. I'm trying to get a handle on playback threads. So far I have audio, codec and voice. Anything else I need to know about playback program flow? |
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| 01:55:52 | Blue_Dude | It seems some operations are limited to specific threads. Perhaps because certain threads "own" certain parts of the hardware? |
| 01:55:56 | TheSeven | btw, what's the point of prebuffering more than a single track on flash targets? |
| 01:56:23 | kugel | what's the point of not doing it? |
| 01:56:27 | Blue_Dude | TheSeven: good question. I'm trying to figure out the buffering logic myself... |
| 01:57:24 | kugel | Blue_Dude: so I am :) |
| 01:57:44 | linuxstb | TheSeven: The Rockbox playback logic is somewhere you don't want to venture into... |
| 01:57:58 | TheSeven | reading lots of stuff ahead that the user may never even want to play may be useful on targets that have storage media that need lots of power to start up, but i can't see the advantage of doing that with flash media |
| 01:58:33 | kugel | again, what's the advantage of not doing it? |
| 01:58:44 | TheSeven | theseven/releases/rockbox-full-r22931-audiopatch.zip">http://l4n.clustur.com/data/theseven/releases/rockbox-full-r22931-audiopatch.zip |
| 01:58:53 | TheSeven | this is playing music on my ipod right now |
| 01:59:03 | Blue_Dude | kugel: buffering.c, playback.c and pcmbuf.c are hopelessly entangled. I'm looking at breaking out them out further but I'm having a hard time getting an overall picture of what's supposed to be happening. |
| 01:59:04 | TheSeven | kugel: in fact, it may waste power on flash targets |
| 01:59:15 | kugel | Blue_Dude: add albumart also :) |
| 01:59:50 | linuxstb | Blue_Dude: Just delete it all and start from scratch... |
| 02:00 |
| 02:00:26 | Blue_Dude | kugel: and crossfade, and metadata, and ridiculously complicated playlist construction options... |
| 02:01:01 | Blue_Dude | linuxstb: don't tempt me. I've got half a mind to gut it and start over. |
| 02:01:40 | kugel | TheSeven: you may waste power both ways |
| 02:01:51 | Blue_Dude | And howls go up around the globe as everyone's favorite features get left behind... |
| 02:02:07 | TheSeven | but on disk targets it may actually save some, while on flash targets, it can't |
| 02:02:09 | kugel | reading from flash isn't 100% free, so that you still want to have it sleeping most of the time |
| 02:02:16 | linuxstb | Blue_Dude: Just make sure you don't break gapless, and I'll be happy... |
| 02:02:53 | Blue_Dude | linuxstb: If I have to even touch codec operation, I'll shrivel into a ball and weep softly. |
| 02:03:00 | Blue_Dude | So gapless is safe. |
| 02:03:06 | kugel | there's absolutely no point in adding a ifdef hell to this relatively ifdef-free area for questionable reasons |
| 02:03:07 | TheSeven | linuxstb: first make nano2g play a single track without gaps :-D |
| 02:03:20 | JdGordon | what the fuck? buffer is full then the whole buffer gets trashed and track skips! |
| 02:03:31 | JdGordon | after about 20s of playing the track |
| 02:03:42 | saratoga | TheSeven: on our current flash targets, theres an advantage to doing infrequent large flash transactions (presumably it lets the hardware spend more time unclocked) |
| 02:03:58 | saratoga | this results in slightly better battery life for large verses small buffers |
| 02:04:17 | JdGordon | saratoga: hey, you have any more luck with the clip? |
| 02:04:18 | saratoga | but it may not be true on future targets (and eventually someone should check on the nano2g) |
| 02:04:18 | TheSeven | saratoga: does it really make a difference if that buffer is 3MB or 15MB? |
| 02:04:35 | saratoga | TheSeven: 30KB vs. 30MB did make a difference |
| 02:04:41 | saratoga | i don't know about smaller differences |
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| 02:04:47 | kugel | TheSeven: you think it's helpful to leave lots of MB just unused? |
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| 02:05:06 | * | kugel doesn't see the point of having this discussion again and again |
| 02:05:12 | saratoga | JdGordon: my research is taking up nearly all my time these days, but I've been in email contact with Nico about some things |
| 02:05:23 | JdGordon | cool |
| 02:05:31 | kugel | people should stop to think of flash as it would be as cheap as ram |
| 02:05:39 | TheSeven | linuxstb: btw, clocking still isn't right, sounds like 44100 played at 48000 |
| 02:05:44 | linuxstb | TheSeven: Hmm, that zip doesn't work for me... |
| 02:05:57 | kugel | saratoga: I'm yet to have a crash on my clip |
| 02:06:21 | kugel | with your logging build |
| 02:06:21 | saratoga | kugel: its very erratic |
| 02:06:28 | saratoga | i got one after about 4 hours |
| 02:06:41 | saratoga | dfkt reported something like 20 hours without a crash |
| 02:06:50 | saratoga | the logging seems to change buffering somehow |
| 02:07:00 | saratoga | i should probably sit down and make it more efficient so it introduces less overhead |
| 02:07:16 | kugel | it basically does a lot more flash access doesn't it? |
| 02:07:16 | saratoga | but for now I have enough data from that build |
| 02:07:24 | saratoga | yes |
| 02:07:29 | saratoga | probably 2x more then normal |
| 02:07:40 | saratoga | so it slows down buffering a lot |
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| 02:08:40 | kugel | JdGordon: any idea how to do multi aa cleanly? |
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| 02:08:47 | saratoga | kugel: i think move_handle has something definately wrong with it, i just don't yet really understand the ring buffer well enough to be sure |
| 02:08:58 | linuxstb | TheSeven: Yes, I think my bootloader test was around 48KHz. |
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| 02:09:02 | kugel | yea that ring buffer is magic for me too |
| 02:09:11 | saratoga | we should ask Matthias Schneider about it more |
| 02:09:14 | JdGordon | kugel: cant say i've thought about it much.... I dont see why statsbar needs to wait for it... |
| 02:09:18 | TheSeven | linuxstb: I'll do exact measurements now |
| 02:09:29 | saratoga | both of the things he spotted look impossibly complicated to me and yet I think they're both right |
| 02:09:40 | saratoga | he may have a better understanding of buffering then we've given him credit for |
| 02:09:41 | kugel | JdGordon: because I don't want it to be forgotton |
| 02:09:50 | JdGordon | it wont be.... |
| 02:10:02 | kugel | and you get strange behavior if you even try to use aa in the statusbar |
| 02:10:05 | linuxstb | TheSeven: Did you see my comment saying your zip doesn't work for me? (i.e. stuck at 0:00) |
| 02:10:30 | JdGordon | kugel: what sort of strange behaviour? |
| 02:10:36 | TheSeven | 47.98kHz |
| 02:11:03 | kugel | ask gevaerts (or the guys on the tracker), i haven't actually tried it myself |
| 02:11:06 | TheSeven | linuxstb: yes, i saw it, but i have no idea why it's behaving like that. |
| 02:11:13 | kugel | but I think gevaerts even had a crash, but I'm not sure |
| 02:11:40 | kugel | just imagine two skins fighting about code that's designed for a single skin |
| 02:12:02 | JdGordon | they arnt fighting about the skin.. its the aa.... |
| 02:12:14 | JdGordon | im going for breakfast... bbs |
| 02:12:17 | kugel | what I said.. |
| 02:13:32 | TheSeven | linuxstb: this *could* in fact be trouble prebuffering one of the files |
| 02:13:47 | TheSeven | i had some strange FTL reactions again with that build |
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| 02:21:50 | kugel | someone floods our tracker with patches based of code that's not on the tracker or in svn |
| 02:23:27 | kugel | that tasks should be closed, especially since the code that they're based off has no chance to get in SVN (I assume?) |
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| 02:27:35 | * | linuxstb wonders what kugel was talking about |
| 02:30:08 | mc2739 | FS #10640, 10642-10648 - cowon d2 patches based on someones code which he did'nt / couldn't provide |
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| 02:35:19 | linuxstb | mc2739: Ah, OK... |
| 02:36:35 | saratoga | so the guy who opened the task isn't the author? |
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| 02:36:55 | linuxstb | See here for example - http://www.rockbox.org/tracker/task/10645 |
| 02:39:00 | saratoga | what should I look for? |
| 02:39:08 | saratoga | bah i see |
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| 02:41:18 | saratoga | just close that one then |
| 02:47:53 | JdGordon | anyone wanna try a 1 line patch to not draw AA so often? |
| 02:51:19 | mc2739 | JdGordon: sure |
| 02:52:13 | JdGordon | http://pastebin.com/m4830aafe |
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| 02:54:25 | TheSeven | linuxstb: I have a calibrated sampling rate now |
| 02:54:51 | linuxstb | TheSeven: Nice. Do you still have the clicking? |
| 02:55:12 | TheSeven | no idea, need to check with real audio |
| 02:55:24 | TheSeven | (was using a 441Hz sine to calibrate it) |
| 02:55:34 | linuxstb | How accurate is it? |
| 02:55:43 | linuxstb | I mean can you clock it at exactly 44.1Khz? |
| 02:55:46 | mc2739 | JdGordon: what do I need to look for? |
| 02:55:47 | TheSeven | 44.09kHz |
| 02:56:08 | JdGordon | mc2739: that AA still draws as expected... and gets cleared as expected if you have a funky skin |
| 02:56:50 | TheSeven | I think the accurracy of that freq is probably higher than that of my measuring equipment |
| 02:57:50 | TheSeven | (used a OscIn * 4 * 49 / 8 / 4 / 4 PLL and divider chain) |
| 02:57:57 | mc2739 | JdGordon: funky - as in the aa being overlayed |
| 02:58:07 | JdGordon | yeah |
| 02:58:41 | TheSeven | sounds good - i think the clicking went away |
| 02:58:52 | mc2739 | I don't think I have any of those |
| 02:59:04 | TheSeven | and i have re-enabled the clock setup, and it still works |
| 02:59:19 | TheSeven | but what in fact really seems to have an impact is your weird patch |
| 02:59:49 | TheSeven | after my latest adjustments (and my copying-firmware-to-ipod process fooling me again) this was the key to make it work |
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| 03:01:12 | CIA-43 | New commit by jdgordon (r22932): redraw the AA much less frequently to save bettery life and also let skins draw over the AA... |
| 03:01:46 | TheSeven | linuxstb: is there a DS of that codec? |
| 03:02:09 | TheSeven | oh, all over the place... |
| 03:03:21 | TheSeven | for those keen to try: i uploaded a new zip file, same path |
| 03:06:09 | linuxstb | TheSeven: Yes, success. |
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| 03:06:27 | mc2739 | JdGordon: I'm not seeing any problems with the themes I have |
| 03:06:37 | JdGordon | good to hear :) |
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| 03:07:12 | TheSeven | linuxstb: my playback screen freezes at 0:00, even though it plays back fine, even the next few tracks |
| 03:07:27 | TheSeven | clickwheel is unresponsive |
| 03:07:32 | linuxstb | Yes, I was about to say that mine has frozen hat 0:07 |
| 03:07:36 | linuxstb | s/hat/at |
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| 03:08:10 | linuxstb | Maybe interrupts are broken somehow? |
| 03:09:00 | linuxstb | Scrolling the wheel (to change volume) seems to freeze the UI |
| 03:10:07 | linuxstb | If I don't scroll the wheel, the UI seems fine... |
| 03:12:56 | TheSeven | mine is too unresponsive to even break it :-) |
| 03:13:15 | TheSeven | the funny thing is that this didn't happen with the old build |
| 03:13:26 | linuxstb | Are clocks enabled? |
| 03:13:47 | TheSeven | only the patch i sent and your weird patch |
| 03:14:43 | linuxstb | Anyway, nice work getting this far. I need to sleep now, but I'll read the logs in the morning... |
| 03:14:57 | * | TheSeven needs to sleep, too |
| 03:16:28 | linuxstb | But it seems volume changing is broken for some reason - changing volume from the sound settings menu also freezes the UI... |
| 03:16:43 | * | linuxstb really goes to sleep now.. |
| 03:16:59 | TheSeven | obviously something funny is going on with that codec |
| 03:17:06 | TheSeven | that sampling rate thing is weird, too |
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| 04:09:02 | CIA-43 | New commit by kkurbjun (r22933): Button Driver: Add button_status support with data - allows for reading the /immediate/ value of the touchscreen |
| 04:13:16 | CIA-43 | New commit by kkurbjun (r22934): Brickmania: Touchscreen improvements - Take advantage of the immediate button data values. Reduce the wait time if the score needs to count up at the ... |
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| 04:36:58 | damone | hi everyone |
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| 04:38:32 | damone | I was wondering, would it be possible to make rockbox read data from a usb port and interpret especific commands as button presses? |
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| 04:39:36 | funman | it should be doable with some hacking of the source code |
| 04:40:50 | damone | i was thinking of connecting a hacked nintendo pad to play rockboy |
| 04:41:53 | kkurbjun | damone: without some significant hardware on the pad's side doing that would not be reasonable, you need a chip that can act as a usb host, and you would need a device that uses our software stack |
| 04:42:06 | damone | I can make a pad that sends commands noproblem |
| 04:42:37 | damone | but i dont understand much about the RB stack |
| 04:42:44 | funman | you need a usb host controller on the other side |
| 04:43:03 | kkurbjun | cool, well, I would imaging using the UART stuff would probably be the way to go |
| 04:43:20 | damone | sure, np |
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| 04:43:54 | kkurbjun | damone, what are you thinking of using for the pad? |
| 04:44:00 | kkurbjun | in terms of a host interface? |
| 04:44:07 | damone | if someone helps me with the RB side i would be happy to make a open proyect so everyone can make his own pad |
| 04:44:42 | damone | I think a cheap AVR Micro |
| 04:44:53 | damone | and a powersupply |
| 04:45:33 | damone | code to output uart via usb |
| 04:45:51 | damone | i have done it before |
| 04:46:11 | kkurbjun | nice, I didn't realize those devices had host capability |
| 04:50:50 | kkurbjun | The USB uart as it stands in rockbox is not currently written for controlling the player, but with some hacking I'm sure it could be done - I'm not familiar with the USB UART as I've never used it, but some players use a standard UART for remote controls. |
| 04:51:30 | damone | nice! |
| 04:51:49 | damone | well, if anybody is willing to help me with the Rockbox stuff, i can implement a nice host-usb pad to play rockboy =) |
| 04:51:57 | damone | or doom |
| 04:52:05 | damone | or any game for that matter |
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| 04:55:47 | kkurbjun | It sounds like a really interesting project, if I ever get the USB UART driver working on the player I've been working on lately I would be interested in playing around with it, but my time is limited, so you might be waiting for a while if you relied on me, the channel is more active in the morning (MST), so you might have some luck if you ask around then. |
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| 04:56:31 | kkurbjun | is there a good demo board for the AVR micro w/ usb host capability? |
| 04:57:13 | kkurbjun | it looks like the AT90USB is the one with host capability |
| 04:58:09 | kkurbjun | and digikey has a kit for it for 30$ |
| 04:58:57 | damone | yeah |
| 04:59:31 | damone | but there is an open source library that emulates usb host in almost any atmega |
| 04:59:45 | damone | http://instruct1.cit.cornell.edu/courses/ee476/FinalProjects/s2007/blh36_cdl28_dct23/blh36_cdl28_dct23/index.html |
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| 05:00:27 | damone | it's low speed (1.5Mb/s) but I think it should work just fine |
| 05:01:28 | kkurbjun | that should be plenty fast, I think the mr500 uses the uart at 9600 baud and it's fast enough for games and the like |
| 05:04:33 | kkurbjun | rockbox supports the apple remote interface to some degree, looks like someone did a similar project with the standard uart on the ipods: http://instruct1.cit.cornell.edu/courses/ee476/FinalProjects/s2007/awr8_asl45/awr8_asl45/index.html |
| 05:04:45 | kkurbjun | the usb uart would be more universal though |
| 05:05:25 | damone | yeah, I think uart would be the way to go |
| 05:05:26 | kkurbjun | you could support all of the portal player devices, the gigabeat S, the mr 500 |
| 05:09:47 | damone | mmm, also interesting |
| 05:09:48 | damone | http://www.fourwalledcubicle.com/LUFA.php |
| 05:10:44 | kkurbjun | yeah, thats what I was looking at, atmel's site has a coule of host device demonstrations |
| 05:11:00 | kkurbjun | for that particular USB variant |
| 05:11:14 | kkurbjun | and the source for the demonstrations seems for the most part GPL compatible |
| 05:12:23 | kkurbjun | sorry, I was looking at that board, not LUFA |
| 05:12:43 | kkurbjun | atmel has their own demonstrations that includes a UART setup |
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| 05:18:50 | damone | yeah, the implementation pdfs are well explained |
| 05:18:54 | damone | http://search.digikey.com/scripts/DkSearch/dksus.dll?Detail&name=AT90USB162-16AURCT-ND |
| 05:19:10 | damone | that one would be nice to use i think |
| 05:19:43 | kkurbjun | what about this board: http://search.digikey.com/scripts/DkSearch/dksus.dll?site=us&lang=en&mpart=AT90USBKEY |
| 05:19:57 | kkurbjun | that gives you everything |
| 05:20:22 | damone | yeah, but 30 bucks |
| 05:21:03 | damone | i think I can implement a cheaper one using the 3bucks one |
| 05:22:15 | kkurbjun | yeah, it's certainly possible, depends on how much you need extra |
| 05:23:06 | kkurbjun | with a pcb, connectors, clock (?), etc, it might not be that much less after you factor in your time putting it all together |
| 05:24:36 | damone | yeah, but I would be happy to make some kind of cheap kit so other people can use it |
| 05:26:13 | kkurbjun | if your kit could compete with a 30$ pre-made then it might not be a bad option |
| 05:28:28 | damone | obviously im thinking about one integrated to a gamepad |
| 05:29:17 | damone | maybe i can make a dual one, so one side classic AB and + controls |
| 05:29:43 | damone | other side, more like WASD + trackball or something for doom |
| 05:30:02 | kkurbjun | ahh, so is this less of a diy and more of a buy it pre-made idea? |
| 05:30:27 | damone | no, not trackball, a linear potentiometer would work better |
| 05:30:27 | kkurbjun | I was just thinking you connect it up to a snes pad or something |
| 05:31:08 | damone | i was thinking more like open development |
| 05:31:22 | damone | ?so anyone can buy a premade, kit, or just make one themselves |
| 05:31:30 | kkurbjun | mm |
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| 05:35:04 | Llorean | Ideally it would be made with a USB A female in the controller (in my opinion) so that people could just use their sync cables to attach the controller to any SWUSB target. |
| 05:36:08 | damone | yep, i was thinking the same thing =) |
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| 05:47:57 | damone | gotta go, cya all! |
| 05:48:18 | damone | im looking forward to make that controller |
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| 06:20:30 | CIA-43 | New commit by kkurbjun (r22936): Simulator buttons: Remove a hack and make brickmania work the same as on target. |
| 06:25:29 | CIA-43 | New commit by kkurbjun (r22937): Brickmania: Fix the flip_sides powerup on touchscreens. |
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| 06:37:41 | Ninjanub | Hey, I need some help |
| 06:38:08 | Ninjanub | My sansa shoes two copys of the same song. |
| 06:38:12 | Ninjanub | Shows* |
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| 06:38:22 | Ninjanub | Any idea? |
| 06:39:02 | Ninjanub | Hello? |
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| 06:39:45 | Ninjanub | Anybody? |
| 06:39:58 | Ninjanub | My sansa E200 is having issues with rockbox |
| 06:41:18 | cool_walking_ | Ninjanub: You just have to wait a bit because people aren't always looking at their screen, or this window. |
| 06:41:44 | cool_walking_ | and obviously not everyone can help |
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| 06:41:52 | cool_walking_ | awesome |
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| 08:04:03 | amiconn | It refers to the format of the .lang. The current, tag-based format which allows to restrict strings to certain targets or features is called langv2 versus the old, simpler format |
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| 08:07:49 | tomers | amiconn: Thanks. I'll fix that |
| 08:08:34 | amiconn | It probably makes sense to just write 'lang' now, since the v2 format is in use for quite some time now |
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| 08:20:42 | amiconn | kkurbjun: Does your comment about the fixed point precision mean that brickmania can be ported to the Player if the precision is upped to 4 bits? ;) |
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| 08:42:42 | CIA-43 | New commit by tomers (r22940): Add USB HID mouse support for H10 ... |
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| 08:59:34 | pixelma | kkurbjun: are the FIXED3 in front of the bmpheight and bmwidth defines in brickmania correct? Just looked for a cause of the pad looking weird on the c200 (can't test until the evening) |
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| 09:06:42 | pixelma | I admit, I don't know what they are good for... just asking |
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| 09:51:30 | kugel | kkurbjun: sleep() does yield also. therefore brickmania was garuanteed to yield each frame, and is now likely to yield twice in a row |
| 09:53:00 | CIA-43 | New commit by tomers (r22942): Add H10's mouse buttons in USB HID mode to manual |
| 09:59:32 | kugel | heh, kkurbjun hit the same trap I hit. r22936 broke scrollwheel sims (at least the e200 one which I tested). I should've add a comment about why the hack is needed :/ |
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| 10:05:36 | casainho | kugel: ping |
| 10:09:53 | * | Llorean just realized something |
| 10:10:05 | Llorean | With the addition of a fourth action to the quick screen, we gave up entirely on restoring the original QS functionality? |
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| 10:16:03 | casainho | kugel: did you bought that Mini2440 board? |
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| 10:31:19 | JdGordon | Llorean: no... |
| 10:31:32 | JdGordon | and well... its fairly silly to tihnk it was ever coming back |
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| 10:38:05 | Llorean | Well, it can't be brought to several targets at all now. |
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| 10:45:39 | markun | do we want to support itunesnorm if there are no replaygain tags? |
| 10:46:24 | Zagor | is there any reason not to? |
| 10:47:28 | markun | I guess not :) |
| 10:47:57 | markun | I found a formula to convert it here: http://www.vdberg.org/~richard/rg2sc |
| 10:48:10 | markun | (but the other way around) |
| 10:48:31 | markun | how is the gain value stored in rockbox? in dB or as a factor? |
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| 11:32:24 | Llorean | JdGordon: Why not have the quick screen simply launch the lua program on a set-named lua script, then people can extend the lua functionality so that they can have the quickscreen do *anything* |
| 11:32:48 | JdGordon | thats what I was tihnking with being able to run plugins |
| 11:32:56 | JdGordon | but I dont know if lua can talk? |
| 11:33:42 | Llorean | Yeah, but I'm sure it could be expanded to have access to the normal voices at least |
| 11:34:00 | * | JdGordon glares at midgey :p |
| 11:34:14 | JdGordon | not untill plugins in general can talk |
| 11:35:05 | JdGordon | I wonder if any of the core could be replaced with lua scripts? trim it down a bit maybe |
| 11:36:43 | * | JdGordon wonders how doable playlist "shuffle append" would be to add |
| 11:37:02 | rasher | Heyo, rtl menus |
| 11:38:53 | JdGordon | yep :) |
| 11:40:13 | * | JdGordon tries out the patch |
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| 11:41:52 | JdGordon | apparently lang files arent rebuilt(?) with make if english.lang wasnt changed |
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| 12:02:31 | CIA-43 | New commit by tomers (r22943): Manual: Add instructions to switch USB HID keymap modes |
| 12:03:03 | tomers | rasher, JdGordon: Let me know how it goes for you :-) |
| 12:03:47 | JdGordon | well, just tried it and it works :) |
| 12:04:10 | JdGordon | except it looks like the icons got squshed.. it might just be im not used to the c200 display though |
| 12:04:14 | tomers | It broke some screens, and I must have been wrong here and there... |
| 12:04:59 | JdGordon | i just tried the lists |
| 12:05:19 | tomers | Try to reboot, and watch |
| 12:06:23 | JdGordon | apart from that comment I added, i dont see any reason to not commit it in the current form and fix the screens as they show up |
| 12:07:57 | tomers | I am a new committer... This introduces instability (only for the Hebrew and Arabic langs). I think I needed to get feedback before committing. Are you sure it is ready (after fixing your remark)? |
| 12:08:04 | * | linuxstb wonders if anyone has any ideas about what kind of bug could cause some screens in Rockbox on the Nano2G to not display the actual list item text (or the selection bar) on some screens. For example, the file browser works, as does most of the menus, but the "browse XXX" menu items don't... |
| 12:08:32 | * | rasher gets nervous |
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| 12:09:34 | JdGordon | tomers: well, i can only say from the code in the list it looks fine... the statusbar handling looks a bit wierd also now that i give it another look :p |
| 12:09:37 | * | tomers Wonders whether to rename SCROLLBAR_LEFT and SCROLLBAR_RIGHT to SCROLLBAR_SHOW and SCROLLBAR_SHOW_OPPOSITE |
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| 12:10:16 | tomers | JdGordon: But do you think I should commit and fix, or wait until I fix it first? |
| 12:10:27 | JdGordon | linuxstb: YES!!!! same problem as the mr500 had... 0x0000000 is valid RAM but that is where the translated string pointters are set to... |
| 12:11:21 | JdGordon | tomers: small graphical glitches are well worth it IMO... if it causes crashes then no, but it doesnt.. (does it?) |
| 12:11:24 | tomers | Does someone knows what triggers the daily manual build? Is it being compiled daily at a certain hour? |
| 12:11:43 | linuxstb | JdGordon: Ah, I sort of remember that. What's the fix? |
| 12:11:43 | Zagor | JdGordon: pointers as in plural? surely only one text should be there? |
| 12:11:43 | tomers | JdGordon: It doesn't. I'll commit soon |
| 12:12:07 | tomers | JdGordon: Not using the screen's width |
| 12:12:16 | JdGordon | Zagor: be pedantic later :p |
| 12:12:47 | Zagor | heh, I was actually confused rather than pedantic |
| 12:13:41 | JdGordon | linuxstb: settings.h around line 194 |
| 12:14:34 | tomers | JdGordon: In order to fix the graphic glitches, I would like to add rtl parameter to some the lcd's API (which is being shared with the plugins, which are language agnostic). What's your opinion |
| 12:14:39 | JdGordon | Zagor: ah sorry :) the fake addresses the translated strings get set to is supposed to be in invalid RAM so functions know if it needs to do the translation or not |
| 12:15:02 | Zagor | JdGordon: aha |
| 12:15:38 | JdGordon | tomers: my only opinion is rtl support is great and anything it needs should be done... |
| 12:16:05 | JdGordon | I wonder if rtl should be something linked to viewports? |
| 12:16:54 | tomers | What do you mean exactly? |
| 12:18:47 | JdGordon | you wouldnt need to change the api at all then, the default NULL viewport would be set for ltr, and then lists would be rtl, and all the graphical glitches would disappear |
| 12:20:38 | JdGordon | that way screens which arnt converted to work will still be usable... just slightly wrong |
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| 12:26:08 | CIA-43 | New commit by jdgordon (r22944): Fix FS #10617 (fix spotted by Teruaki Kawashima), something about the %C not working if %?C is the first tokens in the skin |
| 12:30:13 | * | linuxstb doesn't understand that VIRT_PTR fix, and simply adding "|| CONFIG_CPU==S5L8701 doesn't fix the Nano2G |
| 12:30:13 | * | TheSeven is confused by FTL failing to unmount the flash as soon as you've played audio once |
| 12:32:33 | JdGordon | linuxstb: you need to have VIRT_PTR set to a pointer which is invalid, or unmapped, or whatever |
| 12:33:21 | JdGordon | TheSeven: audio plays, data is written to disk... is that supposed to work? |
| 12:34:25 | TheSeven | no idea, but even after stopping audio playback, the unmount will fail when shutting down |
| 12:34:48 | TheSeven | (and i also once saw an error message that it couldn't write some settings file when I was trying to pause) |
| 12:35:16 | JdGordon | .playlist_control and config.cfg both get written on shutdown |
| 12:35:22 | JdGordon | and during playback |
| 12:36:02 | linuxstb | JdGordon: How much IRAM does the DM320 have? |
| 12:37:15 | * | linuxstb sees "#define IRAMSIZE 0x4000" |
| 12:37:25 | * | tomers Needs Latex guru to resolve "FS #10652 - Manual: Can't use nopt inside btnmap " |
| 12:38:11 | TheSeven | linuxstb: any idea on how to resolve those lockups when writing to the wmcodec? |
| 12:38:17 | linuxstb | JdGordon: So for the Nano2G (176KB IRAM), how can it be fixed? |
| 12:39:09 | JdGordon | I guess using 0xffff0000 would work, assuming thats more than the amount of RAM it has, and it has nothing mapped to that are |
| 12:39:15 | linuxstb | TheSeven: No... Unless it's some kind of interrupt issue, with i2c and I2s interrupts happening together. |
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| 12:40:27 | TheSeven | JdGordon: I'm currently compiling a build with them mapped to an address space hole |
| 12:41:17 | JdGordon | assuming it is infact the same bug.. sounds like it is thoguh |
| 12:41:27 | TheSeven | JdGordon, linuxstb: Yep, that *fixed* it ! |
| 12:41:45 | JdGordon | no ! needed.... thats how its supposed to work |
| 12:41:59 | JdGordon | that whole virtual pointer stuff shold be moved out of settings.h .... |
| 12:44:46 | TheSeven | linuxstb: I'll go for I2C polling instead of interrupts now, let's see if that works better |
| 12:45:28 | TheSeven | or just add a timeout to the interrupt driven i2c |
| 12:49:35 | TheSeven | ok, polling-based i2c fixed it |
| 12:49:55 | TheSeven | and if i look at system-s5l8700.c, i also see why. |
| 12:52:23 | TheSeven | btw, system_reboot() has a typo in the ifdef |
| 12:54:27 | TheSeven | and if i fix that it reveals a red. |
| 12:55:13 | TheSeven | and if i fix that, it reveals another bug. |
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| 13:06:49 | TheSeven | linuxstb: what should I do about those IRQs getting lost? |
| 13:07:16 | TheSeven | just add a timeout to the wakeup wait and call it in a loop until the completed bit is set? |
| 13:14:25 | linuxstb | Why would the interrupts get lost? |
| 13:15:48 | TheSeven | no idea, but some I2C ints just never get through |
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| 13:16:37 | TheSeven | btw, how do plugins and codecs access the firmware functions? don't they need to be re-linked after compiling a new firmware? |
| 13:17:34 | * | TheSeven is getting annoyed by builds taking too long |
| 13:18:04 | TheSeven | vmware really doesn't seem to do a good job with disk I/O |
| 13:24:49 | linuxstb | TheSeven: They use the "plugin API" - basically a struct of pointers (to variables and functions. See apps/plugin.[ch] |
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| 13:36:25 | TheSeven | linuxstb: as soon as i change some code anywhere, the FTL starts behaving a little strange, until i do a full rebuild |
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| 13:39:09 | * | linuxstb scratches head |
| 13:39:34 | TheSeven | this *could* in fact be caused by *copying* that new build, I'll need to check this |
| 13:40:21 | TheSeven | but i'm still wondering where these I2C ints get stuck |
| 13:40:42 | TheSeven | btw, why are you feeding the DMA such small chunks of audio and not the whole PCM buffer? |
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| 13:43:40 | CIA-43 | New commit by tomers (r22945): RTL support in menus |
| 13:44:02 | JdGordon | woo!! |
| 13:44:16 | tomers | :-) |
| 13:51:42 | JdGordon | arg... the settings_list.c change was naughty! |
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| 13:52:41 | JdGordon | not really a big deal, but it might annoy some people |
| 13:53:33 | AsaelReiter | tomers: כשנמצאים בתפריט, הכפתור השמאלי חוזר לרמה הקודמת, והימני נכנס לרמה הבאה. לא כדאי להפוך את זה ב-RTL? |
| 13:54:15 | JdGordon | english in this channel only please |
| 13:54:28 | tomers | AsaelReiter: The keys will definitely be flipped in RTL mode in the near future |
| 13:54:43 | AsaelReiter | tomer: thanks. |
| 13:56:12 | markun | maybe we should have an optional UTD mode for chinese and japanese ;) |
| 13:56:22 | TheSeven | linuxstb: do you think i should commit that i2c hack? |
| 13:56:47 | JdGordon | tomers: lots of red to fix :) |
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| 13:57:40 | tomers | JdGordon: Working on it... |
| 13:58:14 | * | JdGordon wants inverted-upsdiedown-top-left-to-bottom-right! |
| 13:59:57 | CIA-43 | New commit by tomers (r22946): Fix some of the reds |
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| 14:01:11 | gevaerts | Zagor: how long does it take for changes in blockedclients to take effect? |
| 14:01:49 | Zagor | 10 minutes iirc |
| 14:02:53 | gevaerts | when I changed it a few days ago it seemed to take long |
| 14:03:29 | Zagor | it wasn't really tested when I added it so it is perhaps buggy |
| 14:05:03 | * | gevaerts looks for fixed reds :) |
| 14:05:50 | linuxstb | TheSeven: Regarding your DMA question, I'm not sure - that's just how it works on all other targets. Maybe they had a limit on DMA size. |
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| 14:07:43 | linuxstb | TheSeven: Regarding committing, my preference is always to wait and try and find a real solution. But I guess that for new ports, it's not as important to do things right first time... |
| 14:08:50 | TheSeven | yep, it's also bugging me why those interrupts get lost in the first place, but we can at least prevent that from locking up the main thread |
| 14:10:17 | * | TheSeven will wait for tomers to fix the reds before committing |
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| 14:16:31 | CIA-43 | New commit by zagor (r22947): Fixed html |
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| 14:17:02 | linuxstb | TheSeven: BTW, the "view OS stacks" debug screen now works (with JdGordon's fix), and that shows the main stack is only reaching 41% for me (with a 16KB stack). Even after trying pictureflow (but I have no albumart on my nano2g) |
| 14:17:45 | TheSeven | i didn't have albumart either, but pictureflow stkov'ed at 12K |
| 14:18:58 | CIA-43 | New commit by tomers (r22948): Fix red - forgot one #ifdef |
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| 14:19:44 | CIA-43 | New commit by tomers (r22949): Fix red - bootloaders don't link language support |
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| 14:21:14 | * | tomers_ Lost Internet connectivity while trying to commit fixes for reds |
| 14:21:37 | tmzt | 01:42 < CIA-43> New commit by tomers (r22949): Fix red - bootloaders don't link language support |
| 14:21:48 | tmzt | and 948 |
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| 14:24:16 | linuxstb | TheSeven: Could you check what your stack usage is? Maybe it depends on the recursion level or something... (my directories are shallow) |
| 14:24:39 | TheSeven | linuxstb: I just have .rockbox and 2 MP3 files in the root |
| 14:25:56 | TheSeven | i get main 86% after running pictureflow |
| 14:27:05 | TheSeven | 22% after boot |
| 14:28:43 | * | tomers_ No more reds :-) |
| 14:28:47 | linuxstb | TheSeven: Strange... Do you have any other files on the disk ? |
| 14:28:55 | CIA-43 | New commit by theseven (r22950): Add myself to COMMITTERS |
| 14:28:59 | * | linuxstb doesn't have a clue what pictureflow does... |
| 14:29:03 | CIA-43 | New commit by theseven (r22951): Fix displaying strings on stack for iPod Nano 2G |
| 14:29:09 | CIA-43 | New commit by theseven (r22952): Fix a #ifdef typo and the reds hidden by it |
| 14:29:16 | CIA-43 | New commit by theseven (r22953): Reduce impact of lost interrupts on S5L8700 I2C |
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| 14:29:23 | CIA-43 | New commit by theseven (r22954): Make iPod Nano 2G audio work |
| 14:29:35 | mc2739 | \☺/ |
| 14:29:38 | linuxstb | Welcome - you'll shortly own the front page of www.rockbox.org ;) |
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| 14:30:01 | mc2739 | TheSeven: congrats! |
| 14:30:26 | tomers_ | Congrats!!! How do you commit several patches at once? |
| 14:30:44 | TheSeven | i just committed them one after another |
| 14:30:54 | funman | tomers_: you can also use git svn dcommit |
| 14:30:59 | tomers_ | Quick typing :-) |
| 14:31:36 | funman | TheSeven: so you now have sound ? |
| 14:31:57 | TheSeven | let's see if audio actually works with that build - i haven't increased the stack size (which i did when testing) |
| 14:32:42 | funman | well, according to http://www.rockbox.org/mail/archive/rockbox-archive-2009-07/0158.shtml you have had sound for some time already o: |
| 14:33:15 | TheSeven | not in an app build |
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| 14:34:23 | gevaerts | \☺/ |
| 14:35:28 | TheSeven | can anybody try actually building and testing r22954 with a clean tree? |
| 14:36:49 | TheSeven | linuxstb: in fact, the front page looks really nice :-) |
| 14:37:49 | * | funman quickly finds 5 consecutives things to commit |
| 14:39:24 | * | TheSeven wonders what's causing some targets to change binary size on almost every unrelated commit |
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| 14:40:14 | * | JdGordon has a damn wierd bug he cant figure out |
| 14:40:20 | funman | TheSeven: random gcc behaviour |
| 14:40:40 | JdGordon | the stupid peakmeter apparently makes hidden viewports clear themselves and stop the scrolling.. even when they were hidden anyway |
| 14:41:49 | janne_oksanen | there's a smiley face character in UTF-8? |
| 14:41:49 | janne_oksanen | wow |
| 14:43:10 | maruk | TheSeven: I will try r22954 tonight (I'm in France). |
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| 14:45:03 | TheSeven | btw, just noticed "view partitions" in the debug menu assumes 512-byte sectors |
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| 14:45:55 | TheSeven | and "disk info" is printing some random garbage for vendor, model, ... |
| 14:46:33 | Zagor | you mean your flash doesn't have a proper IDENTIFY response? :) |
| 14:47:41 | TheSeven | well, this isn't even implemented in the driver |
| 14:47:50 | * | TheSeven wonders where that screen gets its information from |
| 14:47:58 | maruk | TheSeven: 1st, it compiles cleanly. |
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| 14:48:37 | TheSeven | well, not really cleanly, there are some yellows |
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| 14:54:14 | TheSeven | now let's go for a better NAND driver |
| 14:55:44 | JdGordon | assigning a bool to a bool should never cause any problems right? this is without any type casting at all... |
| 14:56:15 | linuxstb | TheSeven: IMO, #elif is nicer... (in settings.h). You also could have used "defined(CPU_S5L870X)" (and a higher address) to save bertrik a future headache. |
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| 14:57:07 | TheSeven | linuxstb: OK, I'll change that in my next commit round |
| 14:57:46 | * | TheSeven wonders if we know the NAND controller's interrupt |
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| 15:00:31 | CIA-43 | New commit by tomers (r22955): Have scollbar in the right side while in RTL mode |
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| 15:20:09 | CIA-43 | New commit by tomers (r22956): Fix yellow |
| 15:24:11 | * | TheSeven wonders why the main thread lockups when changing volume came back with his nand driver improvements |
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| 15:43:06 | preglow | has there been any shit with the mailing lists lately? |
| 15:43:18 | preglow | for some reason, i've stopped getting rockbox related mails |
| 15:43:40 | janne_oksanen | I got a bunch of messages during the night |
| 15:43:55 | janne_oksanen | so it was at least working this morning |
| 15:43:56 | Zagor | preglow: yes it has. at&t added us to their spam block list temporarily, which created massive bouncing and resulted in some accounts being unsubscribed |
| 15:44:06 | preglow | wonderful |
| 15:44:20 | Zagor | I meant to write that on the front page, but it got lost in my head somewhere on the way... |
| 15:44:25 | preglow | :) |
| 15:44:37 | preglow | guess i'll have to go about subscribing again then |
| 15:45:16 | Zagor | yes |
| 15:45:22 | kkurbjun | pixelma: FIXED3 is needed around the bitmaps - everything should be positioned/calculated in fixed point in the main portion of the program and the fractional dropped when making a call to a function that needs just the integer portion - INT3 drops the fractional. |
| 15:45:42 | kkurbjun | kugel: why is that hack needed? |
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| 15:48:54 | kkurbjun | amiconn: I guess it might be possible, isn't the player a charcell though? |
| 15:51:44 | amiconn | It is, but there are a few user definable characters. See the playergfx lib :) |
| 15:52:11 | amiconn | 20x14 pixels on the newplayer lcd (which is the more common type) |
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| 15:57:11 | bluebrother | tomers_: what's the point of rr22955? You can select the scrollbar to be left or right, and I don't see a reason why it should do something automagically, that's only confusing. |
| 15:57:31 | bluebrother | plus, the settings value in the menu is "left" and "right" ... |
| 15:57:49 | TheSeven | both the NAND and ECC driver don't like yielding, any idea why? |
| 15:57:59 | * | bluebrother wonders if that change was discussed first |
| 15:58:52 | Zagor | TheSeven: the driver as such, or the device? |
| 15:59:08 | Zagor | the device not liking it sounds like strict timing |
| 15:59:16 | * | bluebrother spots an earlier commit and still thinks it's confusing. |
| 15:59:30 | tomers_ | bluebrother: If I switch between Hebrew and English, the meaning of having a scroll bar next to the tree's root is kept. I tried to discuss it but no one participated in the discussion. Do you think we should revert? |
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| 16:00:10 | bluebrother | well, a user has no idea what "show opposite" would be on showing the scrollbar. That's quite confusing. |
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| 16:00:37 | tomers_ | It makes the code nastier, but that's doesn't matter. The user's perspective is important. I wanted two have similar meaning for both RTL and LTR users. The default for RTL users is against intuition... |
| 16:00:52 | bluebrother | how do other applications (f.e. windows) handle RTL? Do they switch the position of their scrollbars? |
| 16:00:52 | kugel | kkurbjun: try an e200 sim |
| 16:01:10 | tomers_ | bluebrother: They switch the position of the scrollbars |
| 16:01:25 | kkurbjun | I don't like the idea of fliping the scrollball automatically, or making the code nastier, if the user prefers it on the other side they can flip it manually |
| 16:01:38 | kkurbjun | kugel, I did, but do you know why it doesn't work? |
| 16:01:53 | bluebrother | hmm. Then at least the wording in the menu should get improved. |
| 16:02:09 | Llorean | I tend to agree, if there's a manual scrollbar position option, automatically swapping it is bad. Users can set it as they like explicitly. |
| 16:02:16 | linuxstb | tomers_: Nasty code definitely matters... (as a general rule). |
| 16:02:17 | tomers_ | I will let you decide either way, and do what you decide |
| 16:03:06 | kkurbjun | tomers, the position of the scrollbar is effectively arbitrary, an English speaker might use it on the left or right side and the same goes for any other language, I don't think it should be a forced flip |
| 16:03:11 | bluebrother | Windows, f.e., defaults to displaying the scrollbar on the right in LTR languages. Rockbox shows it on the left as default. Just having an option to "show" and "show opposite" the scrollbar is counter-intuitive for users. |
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| 16:03:35 | bluebrother | do the icons get flipped as well? |
| 16:03:46 | linuxstb | TheSeven: What happens when you yield in the NAND/ECC drivers? e.g. an immediate freeze or random freezes? |
| 16:03:49 | tomers_ | I think default for LTR is left (as it is), but default to an RTL language is in the right |
| 16:04:16 | tomers_ | bluebrother: The icons are shown in the right. The bitmap itself is not being mirrored |
| 16:04:31 | bluebrother | it could be called as "scrollbar at beginning of text", and "at end of text". |
| 16:04:55 | bluebrother | tomers_: I wouldn't expect the icons to get mirrored, I was referring to their position :) |
| 16:04:55 | tomers_ | Should I have such a long string as an option? |
| 16:05:15 | TheSeven | linuxstb: no freezes, just the transfer failing |
| 16:05:20 | tomers_ | Their position is mirrored already (still having some glitches, though) |
| 16:05:26 | bluebrother | well, a shorter string would be better, of course. Still I think the current wording is confusing at best. |
| 16:05:30 | TheSeven | so probably something messing with some resources used by it in between |
| 16:05:51 | bluebrother | "show scrollbar" "start of line", "end of line" maybe? |
| 16:05:53 | tomers_ | I agree that it is confusing. Can you please think of an alternative wording? |
| 16:06:04 | tomers_ | Looks nice to me |
| 16:06:09 | tomers_ | Do it |
| 16:06:11 | tomers_ | ? |
| 16:06:19 | kkurbjun | I think it should just be left or right side as it was |
| 16:06:30 | Llorean | I think left or right is fine. |
| 16:06:31 | kkurbjun | it made sense and worked intuitively |
| 16:06:39 | Llorean | especially if it means the code can be simpler. |
| 16:06:53 | linuxstb | TheSeven: Maybe different threads accessing the disk is causing issues. So some kind of locking would be needed. |
| 16:06:56 | Llorean | Scrollbars are more user preference than anything else anyway. |
| 16:07:05 | bluebrother | Llorean: left or right as in not adjust according to RTL / LTR? |
| 16:07:26 | Llorean | bluebrother: exactly, yes. |
| 16:07:26 | kkurbjun | bluebrother: that is my vote |
| 16:07:33 | tomers_ | kkurbjun, Llorean: The code it nastier with left/right. It's not good for RTL users to have scrollbar defaulted to the left |
| 16:07:47 | linuxstb | TheSeven: Although I'm sure other drivers must handle these waits in some way, so looking at some other low-level NAND/ATA drivers might give some tips. |
| 16:08:01 | Llorean | tomers_: At a LTR user I have scrollbars on the right in 99% of my software anyway. I don't quite understand why it's "not good" |
| 16:08:10 | kkurbjun | why is it bad for them to have it left or right |
| 16:08:17 | bluebrother | I'm in no strong favor if it should be a simple left-right or a start-end of line setting. |
| 16:08:39 | Llorean | Scrollbars are a themeing option, not a language option, aren't they? |
| 16:08:50 | bluebrother | tomers_: why it's "not good" to have teh scrollbar on the left for RTL languages? |
| 16:08:58 | Llorean | Especially with later themes, they'll probably be skinnable. Language shouldn't affect themes if at all possible. |
| 16:09:14 | Llorean | To me this means scrollbar position should never be changed unless manually by the user, or by a change of theme. |
| 16:09:39 | tomers_ | Llorean: mmmm... Interesting points. Are all in favor of reverting to Left/Right? |
| 16:10:03 | bluebrother | tomers_: why is the code nastier with left-right? It's still putting the scrollbar somewhere, and it simply needs to decide where to put it depending on different values |
| 16:10:33 | tomers_ | bluebrother: Checked it and it's not that bad. I take my words back. |
| 16:10:48 | tomers_ | I'll do it tonight |
| 16:12:11 | * | bluebrother suggests putting such changes on the tracker first so that more people can comment on it. IRC is always dependent on the people currently being online. |
| 16:20:24 | bluebrother | tomers_: btw, noticed that the HID setting description in the manual is somewhat off of the LatexGuidelines: description items should end with a ., not :, and the space afterwards should be outside of the []. See http://www.rockbox.org/wiki/LatexGuidelines#Descriptions |
| 16:20:53 | bluebrother | not that it's a big problem, but it would be good to be consistent here. I don't believe we're really consistent yet, but anyway ... |
| 16:24:12 | funman | Some progress on recording on Sansa AMS: I see an I2SIN interrupt with the fifo full bit set, but no consecutive interrupts |
| 16:25:31 | funman | And i found why headphones were muted |
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| 16:29:30 | TheSeven | which header do i need for panicf? |
| 16:30:30 | funman | panic.h iirc |
| 16:30:52 | TheSeven | ah, i was trying panicf.h |
| 16:31:44 | TheSeven | yeah! |
| 16:31:55 | TheSeven | playback starts almost instantly now, and no more gui lockups |
| 16:32:10 | gevaerts | just by adding panicf? |
| 16:32:53 | TheSeven | no, that was just to fix a yellow i caught while fixing the nand driver |
| 16:33:58 | funman | sadly using the recording patch on clip deadlocks instantly when entering recording or fm screen |
| 16:34:42 | TheSeven | linuxstb: you suggested using a different define in settings.h, but I can't see that defined anywhere? |
| 16:35:13 | tomers_ | bluebrother: I wasn't aware of this document. I'll fix that. BTW can you help me with "FS #10652 - Manual: Can't use nopt inside btnmap" ? |
| 16:35:58 | funman | FM screen deadlocks on current build as well :/ |
| 16:36:25 | linuxstb | TheSeven: firmware/export/config.h |
| 16:36:25 | gevaerts | isn't it time to add the nanog2 to the build table? |
| 16:36:39 | linuxstb | gevaerts: If you want to fix our yellows first... ;) |
| 16:36:45 | linuxstb | But yes, it's close. |
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| 16:37:06 | TheSeven | there's quite a lot of them, and I'll introduce 4 more with my next commit which I won't bother to fix |
| 16:37:41 | TheSeven | gevaerts: there will even be a red with current SVN |
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| 16:38:03 | TheSeven | linuxstb: found a solution for that one in the meantime? |
| 16:38:16 | TheSeven | (other than dropping vorbis support :-D ) |
| 16:38:17 | gevaerts | ok, better wait a few more minutes then :) |
| 16:39:08 | bluebrother | tomers_: I' |
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| 16:39:41 | bluebrother | ve spotted the FS entry, though I haven't found time to look into details yet. opt is some kind of beast ... |
| 16:40:35 | preglow | Zagor: could you check if i'm still subscribed to the commiters list? i don't know of any way in which to do that |
| 16:40:39 | preglow | addy starts with thomj@ |
| 16:41:20 | funman | preglow: did you receive an email yesterday ? |
| 16:41:30 | Zagor | you were nomail-flagged for bounces. I cleared that flag now. |
| 16:41:46 | bluebrother | I was also planning to replace opt by a c-like preprocessor. It's already somewhat working, but gpp (the preprocessor I used) doesn't know about variadic macros. And the gcc preprocessor doesn't trim removed lines which breaks LaTeX, unfortunately |
| 16:42:21 | CIA-43 | New commit by theseven (r22957): Fix the stack string issue for the Meizus, too |
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| 16:42:27 | CIA-43 | New commit by theseven (r22958): iPod Nano 2G NAND/ECC driver and FTL improvements (still polling) |
| 16:42:35 | preglow | funman: no |
| 16:43:02 | preglow | Zagor: so i'm just flagged on the rest of the lists too, then? i assume i can't just resubscribe and have things work again |
| 16:43:17 | Zagor | I'll take a look |
| 16:43:20 | preglow | thanks |
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| 16:44:52 | Zagor | preglow: flag cleared in on rockbox, -dev and -cvs. I didn't see you on -sf |
| 16:45:50 | preglow | i monitor flyspray by other means, so no |
| 16:45:56 | preglow | Zagor: thanks |
| 16:46:10 | * | TheSeven doesn't like to make ECC interrupt-driven before we worked out what's causing that interrupt loss |
| 16:46:24 | linuxstb | TheSeven: Why is vorbis giving a red? It doesn't for me. |
| 16:46:26 | * | tomers_ going |
| 16:46:36 | * | TheSeven needs to re-check |
| 16:46:40 | TheSeven | in the morning, it still did |
| 16:46:52 | linuxstb | I fixed it over the weekend, I forget exactly when. |
| 16:46:59 | linuxstb | (in SVN) |
| 16:48:37 | funman | can you listen to the radio while recording it on e200/c200 ? |
| 16:50:08 | mc2739 | funman: you can record the radio while listening to it on the e200 |
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| 16:54:25 | TheSeven | wow. is there really no FMC int on the s5l8700? |
| 16:55:11 | mc2739 | funman: I don't know think you can record on the mic and listening to the radio |
| 16:55:55 | funman | mc2739: thanks, i meant record the radio & listen to the radio at the same time |
| 16:58:29 | funman | i'm using e200/c200 code from audio-c200_e200.c (as3514 specific) so I'll assume it's correct |
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| 17:10:11 | liar|netbook | TheSeven: wow, the latest svn works even with my nano 2g |
| 17:12:34 | TheSeven | huh? I didn't change *anything* regarding the way it mounts... |
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| 17:14:23 | liar|netbook | TheSeven: you changed nothing in ftl_open? |
| 17:14:35 | liar|netbook | TheSeven: or in ftl_vfl_read? |
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| 17:15:36 | TheSeven | only some mutex stuff, and before that patch this just can't have been called multiple times simultaneously |
| 17:17:26 | kugel | kkurbjun: the data in button_read_device() and button_get_data isn't entirely the same |
| 17:17:36 | kugel | I was confused by that also but didn't investigate it much further |
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| 17:22:51 | TheSeven | linuxstb, gevaerts: that red has indeed went away |
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| 17:26:36 | linuxstb | TheSeven: If pictureflow is definitely giving you that high stack usage (as proven in "view OS stacks"), then I guess we need to increase the stack. Do you want to commit that change? |
| 17:26:59 | TheSeven | i'll try it with *some* albumart on my ipod first |
| 17:27:49 | linuxstb | Unless of course there's some known bug with pictureflow... |
| 17:31:42 | funman | mc2739: I have posted an update to fs#10371 |
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| 17:46:01 | TheSeven | linuxstb: I found out what's going on with the timers :-/ |
| 17:46:15 | TheSeven | this is really ugly :-( |
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| 17:52:07 | linuxstb | TheSeven: What? |
| 17:54:36 | TheSeven | they muxed the ints |
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| 18:00:29 | linuxstb | TheSeven: Just the timer ints? |
| 18:01:29 | CIA-43 | New commit by theseven (r22959): Fix the user timer on iPod Nano 2G |
| 18:01:43 | TheSeven | trying doom now |
| 18:03:10 | TheSeven | ok, doom works, even though the LCD is a little small |
| 18:04:35 | * | gevaerts expects more enthusiasm for that |
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| 18:09:23 | TheSeven | linuxstb: OK, what's next on our list? |
| 18:09:25 | linuxstb | TheSeven: I have a feeling there was a reason bertrik chose TIMERD for the Meizu... |
| 18:09:47 | linuxstb | (but I may be wrong... Although we should check with him.) |
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| 18:09:59 | TheSeven | yep, I'll ask him as soon as he turns up |
| 18:10:21 | TheSeven | if there was one, this'll need a file split |
| 18:10:31 | linuxstb | Or we use TIMERB? |
| 18:10:43 | linuxstb | Or rather, we find a pair of timers that work on both... |
| 18:10:52 | TheSeven | timerb is the tick (on both, i think) |
| 18:12:04 | linuxstb | BTW, have you noticed the "test_*" plugins in apps/plugjns? They could be useful for testing/benchmarking/optimising things. There's one for disk access, and another for LCD. |
| 18:12:37 | linuxstb | I guess a nice power-off would be quite useful at this stage... |
| 18:14:13 | linuxstb | Plus we need a "lcd_blit_yuv()" function to get mpegplayer working. |
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| 18:25:34 | TheSeven | linuxstb: can our LCD controllers do YUV to RGB in hardware? if no, we'd just need to copy that from another target, right? |
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| 18:32:31 | bertrik | ehm, the s5l8700 timer change for nano2g probably breaks other s5l8700 targets |
| 18:33:18 | tomers_ | bluebrother: Please approve "FS #10654 - Fix descriptions in manual to obey Latex guidelines" |
| 18:33:26 | tomers_ | so I can commit |
| 18:34:27 | TheSeven | bertrik: that's what I was about to ask you. Which timers can safely be used on Meizu? |
| 18:34:47 | TheSeven | If this is possible, I'd like to use the same numbers on the nano, but timer D is the piezo there |
| 18:35:35 | bertrik | the various targets use different hardware timers for pwm, piezo, etc. |
| 18:36:00 | bertrik | so some timers need to be on a specific timer instance, while others can be chosen more freely |
| 18:36:06 | bluebrother | tomers_: nice to see someone actually going through the manual and fixing it :) Looks really good. |
| 18:36:30 | TheSeven | yes, the question is: is timer C used for such a thing on any target? |
| 18:36:30 | bertrik | we'd have to check the different wiki pages about the use of the timers |
| 18:36:51 | bertrik | TheSeven, that needs to be figured out by searching the s5l8700 target wikis |
| 18:37:43 | bluebrother | one minor hint: you changed one double-space to a single space (last change in bookmarking.tex). Though it doesn't do any harm it's not necessary −− LaTeX treats multiple whitespace as single whitespace. Putting a bigger gap after a sentence ending stop is common in some languages (though not english) |
| 18:38:00 | bertrik | TheSeven, what timers does the nano2g use? |
| 18:38:11 | bertrik | (for hardware functions like pwm, piezo, I mean) |
| 18:38:35 | bluebrother | LaTeX has an option for this, it's called "frenchspacing". If we would use that we didn't need to care about as LaTeX does this itself, the only thing we would need to care about is marking stops that don't end a sentence as such. |
| 18:38:39 | TheSeven | i think only timer D = piezo, the others didn't show any obvious hardware reaction |
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| 18:40:29 | CIA-43 | New commit by tomers (r22960): FS #10654 - Fix descriptions in manual to obey Latex guidelines |
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| 18:41:17 | bertrik | ok, I'll try to make a list |
| 18:42:52 | bluebrother | tomers: oh, and another thing about whitespace in case you don't know: the only situation where LaTeX can get problems with whitespace is when you insert hard spaces, i.e. a "\ ". Unfortunately opt adds some possible breakage as well (though I haven't understood what exactly is happening in those cases, the result is at least an added hard whitespace) |
| 18:43:28 | bertrik | TheSeven, the nano2g backlight is not connected to a timer output? |
| 18:43:51 | TheSeven | no, that's handled by the PMU |
| 18:44:24 | bertrik | timer A = Samsung YP-S3 PWM for LCD backlight, timer B = unused, timer C = Meizu PWM for LCD backlight, timer D = nano2g piezo |
| 18:45:08 | bertrik | rockbox needs at least two free timers: one for the kernel tick and another for a generic timer |
| 18:46:14 | tomers | bluebrother: When are the daily manuals gets compiled? |
| 18:47:03 | bluebrother | tomers: I don't know (Zagor might know), but I _think_ somewhere between 4am and 6am european time |
| 18:49:59 | bluebrother | hmm, browsing the folders on the download server comes up with something around 9pm, though that listing doesn't tell about the timezone used. Maybe the time the manuals are built has changed, too |
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| 18:51:41 | TheSeven | bertrik: so we'll need to do at least 2 versions |
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| 18:52:10 | gevaerts | can't you share the kernel tick and the piezo? :) |
| 18:53:35 | polobricolo | is ther a define which includes all the Portal Player ipods ? |
| 18:54:45 | polobricolo | *there |
| 18:54:45 | gevaerts | what exactly do you need? |
| 18:55:17 | polobricolo | i'm going to work on the ipod accesory protocol |
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| 18:56:01 | polobricolo | but the actual source code uses the pp uart driver without checking if you are actually building for a pp ipod |
| 18:56:48 | TheSeven | linuxstb: I'm observing UI freezes if i change volume while album art is still loading |
| 18:57:31 | gevaerts | polobricolo: there seems to be IPOD_ARCH, which is defined to 1 by PP ipod targets, but I'm not sure how safe that one is |
| 18:58:25 | TheSeven | what about adding a PORTALPLAYER or IPOD_PORTALPLAYER define? |
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| 19:00:47 | gevaerts | You could check CONFIG_CPU (should be PP5020 or PP5022 for the old ipods, except for the very old ones that are PP5002) |
| 19:00:57 | mt | Was there something changed/broken that affected the sim ? not all the buttons are working for me. |
| 19:01:03 | gevaerts | but yes, a PP502x define could be useful |
| 19:02:14 | mt | tomers: Nice work on RTL .. I want to test, but I'll have to get the buttons working back in my sim build first :/ |
| 19:08:36 | polobricolo | TheSeven: the audio doesn't work for me |
| 19:09:27 | TheSeven | it's stuck at 0:00 and doesn't play anything? |
| 19:09:35 | polobricolo | yep |
| 19:10:04 | polobricolo | i just built it 5 minutes ago using the lastest svn |
| 19:10:42 | polobricolo | with a m4a file it works |
| 19:10:55 | polobricolo | but it didn't with a mp3 file |
| 19:11:35 | * | TheSeven suspects a bad file |
| 19:11:39 | TheSeven | can you try another mp3? |
| 19:12:12 | polobricolo | TheSeven: it doesan't work neither |
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| 19:13:33 | polobricolo | but my m4a file only plays the beginning. rockbox detects it lenght to 1 mn and 18 s |
| 19:13:42 | polobricolo | my song i about 3 mn |
| 19:15:19 | polobricolo | strange if i start playing my m4a file then i go back to main menu (with the song still playing) and i then open another m4a file my ipod does the same than for mp3 |
| 19:15:40 | polobricolo | but if when playing my file i press next, it works |
| 19:16:44 | polobricolo | TheSeven: even stranger if i start listening a m4a then i press next and i read a mp3 file it works . |
| 19:17:32 | CIA-43 | New commit by tomers (r22961): Invert buttons in RTL mode |
| 19:19:38 | amiconn | polobricolo, TheSeven: That sounds like a restart bug in the driver |
| 19:19:45 | polobricolo | looks like the init of the music layer is buggy on the 2g |
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| 19:29:58 | notlistening | domonoky, what stage are you at now on the work? Did ou solve the connection problem? |
| 19:30:53 | domonoky | notlistening: i put a patch into the tracker. it can already generate voice/talk files with opensapi :-) |
| 19:31:54 | domonoky | whats missing: setting for the wavformat. better handling of the answer from the server (the problem with list answers), and improved error handling. |
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| 19:32:12 | domonoky | also setPitch doesnt seem to have any effect on the server. |
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| 19:34:56 | notlistening | Set pitch is a strange one the way it works but it might be broken as i have implemented it two ways |
| 19:35:41 | notlistening | with my client it set the setting for each bit of speech generation but i guess you want to be able to set once and it be remember right? |
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| 19:42:07 | domonoky | yes |
| 19:42:49 | domonoky | i want to set all settings after the start of the the tts, and then just set the outpufile and voice things repetably |
| 19:42:58 | * | tomers Fixing my red. Found much more elegant solution |
| 19:45:19 | rasher | TheSeven: Welcome aboard! |
| 19:45:27 | notlistening | okay right just fixed the timeout issue, you said about error handeling was that my end or yours? |
| 19:46:41 | notlistening | and did you figure out the disconnection issue? |
| 19:47:38 | domonoky | yes, with error handling i meant rbutils side. the disconnection issue happens, when i send you something which doesnt end with "\n" |
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| 19:49:04 | domonoky | after you recieved that string without "\n" the server closes the connection and says "Client closed connection".. :-) a little bit misleading |
| 19:50:06 | polobricolo | how do i get the value of PCLK on the nano2g ? |
| 19:50:59 | polobricolo | can i directly use cpu_frequency ? |
| 19:51:41 | notlistening | ah i an not sure why not adding the \n causes it to close the connection but the commincation is set by line to a \n is needed ;) |
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| 19:53:48 | notlistening | maybe this is a CTLF and LF issue? |
| 19:53:48 | CIA-43 | New commit by tomers (r22962): Fix red: Invert buttons in RTL mode ... |
| 19:57:31 | domonoky | notlistening: could be, as i am testing on windows at moment. |
| 19:58:21 | notlistening | guess there might be a bit of "i don't care because tcl takes care of it going on" :D |
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| 19:59:27 | notlistening | So to summaries I need timeouts and a end of list status code correct? Would a description of the possible error codes be helpful and when they occur? |
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| 20:00:44 | domonoky | a fix for the timeout, setPitch and some sort of end-oflist marker (or just the list size at the beginning) is all i need, i think :-) |
| 20:01:40 | domonoky | descriptions of possible errors might be nice, but not really needed ( i will just gice the error text to the user if the error-code isnt the good one) :-) |
| 20:02:18 | kugel | tomers: Why/how are the buttons reverted in RTL mode? |
| 20:02:47 | kugel | so that you press LEFT to select an item? |
| 20:03:11 | tomers | kugel: Yes. |
| 20:03:31 | kugel | why? |
| 20:03:36 | domonoky | notlistening: also in the protokoll description were a few errors (getEngine and setOut do return something) |
| 20:04:55 | kugel | I'm not exactly seeing why RTL means inverting the buttons also. does other software do that? |
| 20:05:09 | pixelma | kugel: I bet that feels more natural to people used to RTL reading |
| 20:06:01 | kugel | pressing left to skip to the next track just because text is right aligned doesn't sound very natural to me |
| 20:06:09 | pixelma | you could try how it feels to you to use left to go into the directory and right for leaving etc, |
| 20:06:37 | pixelma | it's not only right aligned, you read from right to left... |
| 20:07:02 | kugel | I know... |
| 20:07:07 | kugel | but that was before already IIRC |
| 20:07:35 | mt | Hmm .. Clean sim build, buttons still don't work :/ .. Anyone having such issue ? |
| 20:08:13 | kugel | it just wasn't aligned to the right. I don't understand that changing the user interface which hasn't changed for years so extensively just because of the text alignment is needed |
| 20:08:40 | kugel | some plugins will probably go crazy as well |
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| 20:09:07 | pixelma | the progress bar should probably drawn from right to left too I guess |
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| 20:09:32 | pixelma | +be |
| 20:09:57 | amiconn | peakmeter too? |
| 20:10:06 | kugel | I also think that buttons behavior depending on the current language can be really confusing |
| 20:10:41 | funman | kugel: try running some programs with LANG=il on unix to see how the interface changes |
| 20:10:47 | pixelma | it's probably more something like "it's done now because someone else looked into this" not "change the buttons because it's now right aligned" |
| 20:11:00 | pixelma | but it is a problem for e.g. the manual too... |
| 20:11:07 | amiconn | kugel: Proper RTL support has been on the "wanted features" list for quite some time |
| 20:11:23 | kugel | amiconn: sure, but I wasn't aware that it means mirroring buttons |
| 20:11:43 | CIA-43 | New commit by tomers (r22963): Revert renaming of the scrollbar global setting by r22945, following discussion in IRC |
| 20:11:45 | pixelma | I mean how to describe the two different use cases now |
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| 20:12:19 | Zagor | I agree with kugel. we should at least have clean, working text-only RTL before embarking on inverting the entire GUI |
| 20:12:38 | amiconn | I'm not sure what the UI conventions for RTL language are. But if mirrored button behaviour is part of that, it should be done imho |
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| 20:12:50 | Zagor | and perhaps get input from some RTL users... |
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| 20:13:46 | gevaerts | There are actually even more issues. Which direction does the progress bar on the wps go? |
| 20:13:55 | funman | rtl |
| 20:14:14 | funman | normal reading direction |
| 20:14:18 | * | pixelma feels ignored |
| 20:14:19 | * | kugel also sighes about the inclusion of apps/ stuff into firmware/ |
| 20:14:52 | amiconn | kugel: Where? I was checking for that, perhaps not closely enough |
| 20:15:02 | kugel | bitmap-common.c |
| 20:15:28 | pixelma | gevaerts: amiconn already asked "and the peak meter?" |
| 20:15:37 | gevaerts | ah yes, that too |
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| 20:15:49 | * | gevaerts apologises to all Arnolds |
| 20:15:53 | pixelma | quoted freely |
| 20:16:06 | kugel | pixelma: that's a problem yes (just like with other configurable button solutions) but as the manual is english only I consider it not so critical |
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| 20:16:47 | gevaerts | I think it's essential that the manual gets this right, especially on targets where the buttons aren't fully symmetrical |
| 20:16:48 | kugel | I'm not entirely happy with the button reverting. |
| 20:17:03 | funman | there could be a note specifying which buttons/screens can change their order |
| 20:17:29 | pixelma | maybe it can get a mention somewhere in the beginning (if it stays this way). But as I said I can imagine this to be more logical for native RTL language users |
| 20:17:35 | tomers | Sorry all for not participating in the discussion above. I think changing buttons is good for list view. Not for WPS |
| 20:18:02 | kugel | People might actually have gotton used to the known interface. Now having their buttons dependant on their language selection without the possibility to go back to the known state |
| 20:18:07 | gevaerts | Maybe we should start with handling text properly, and then do some research (also known as a forum poll) to find out what actual users want |
| 20:18:27 | pixelma | sounds like a plan |
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| 20:18:36 | Zagor | yes, and work on a separate monster gui-invert patch outside of svn |
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| 20:18:42 | kugel | I bet that even if it may be more naturual for lists, it will be unaturual for a lot dozens of other places and plugins |
| 20:18:54 | gevaerts | research could of course also include people living in rtl regions going out and asking their friends |
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| 20:19:35 | Zagor | I have a feeling hebrew users are pretty used to not getting all their GUIs reversed just because they get proper typesetting |
| 20:20:03 | funman | why not just ask tomers ? |
| 20:20:14 | gevaerts | It certainly can't be a simple reverse-buttons thing in the driver. I'd expect every single button assignment to have to be looked at individually |
| 20:20:15 | pixelma | or arabic users |
| 20:20:30 | tomers | I'm here. WPS and progressbar need not change. Just tree view |
| 20:20:45 | kugel | tomers: your change means inverting it for everything I think (I haven't looked very detailed at it, but noticed that you changed it at the button driver level) |
| 20:20:57 | pixelma | funman: didn't he state a comment by committing it? |
| 20:21:03 | tomers | mt get help us too, as he is the maintainer of the arabic language file |
| 20:21:04 | Zagor | funman: heh, I didn't know tomers was israeli. apologies, tomers |
| 20:21:45 | kugel | doom while using RTL language is probably funny (although you can change the button maping there), or rockblox |
| 20:22:13 | * | gevaerts votes to implement RTL in the LCD drivers :) |
| 20:22:21 | tomers | Buttons are not inverted in plugins. IT IS CONTEXT SENSITIVE |
| 20:22:22 | amiconn | kugel: Check again - it's *not* switched for everything |
| 20:22:26 | funman | when playing doom in RTL language, do you control the bots and not the player ? |
| 20:22:44 | kugel | ok, sorry then, as I said I haven't looked very detailed at it |
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| 20:23:55 | gevaerts | tomers: is it not needed for wps and friends because nobody does that and you're used to it, or is LTR handling for next/previous really more natural? |
| 20:24:06 | kugel | ah looks like r22962 changed it to be apps logic, I haven't looked at that at all |
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| 20:24:31 | tomers | gevaerts: It shouldn't change WPS afaik. I'll check it |
| 20:24:58 | amiconn | r22962 is just a better imlementation - it was implemented in a context sensitive way before |
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| 20:25:27 | tomers | kugel: I was in a bit of rush to fix things, so I just committed once in a while when I made progress... |
| 20:26:04 | amiconn | kugel: You didn't answer my question though - where does it include apps stuff in firmware/ ? |
| 20:26:40 | amiconn | This would indeed be something that had to be changed asap |
| 20:26:48 | tomers | kugel, amiconn: Make sure you look at the latest version, as indeed I had stuff in drivers before, and fixed it |
| 20:26:56 | pixelma | tomers: gevaerts' question was about the why it's not needed in the WPS |
| 20:26:57 | kugel | I did, lcd-bitmap-common.c |
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| 20:27:37 | kugel | see above.. (ok, I typo'd bitmap-common.c) |
| 20:27:38 | tomers | pixelma: As I understand what gevaerts mean, skipping tracks needs to use the same buttons both in RTL and LTR |
| 20:28:15 | amiconn | tomers: You had stuff in the button driver, but that wasn't including apps stuff from firmware. Just the other way round, which is the correct way. The new solution is more elegant though |
| 20:29:38 | pixelma | tomers: his question was if it really feels more natural to you this way or if this is just because other devices don't do that |
| 20:29:53 | TheSeven | linuxstb: around? |
| 20:30:05 | TheSeven | what about having a shot at RTC and battery ADC? |
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| 20:30:20 | rasher | tomers: I'd expect if the progressbar was reversed as well, you'd want to skip track with the opposite buttons? Which would you prefer? |
| 20:30:32 | polobricolo | TheSeven: i managed to get the battery value |
| 20:30:33 | markun | anyone here who plays Nero encoded AAC files in rockbox? |
| 20:30:41 | gevaerts | and which would random people who are not used to computers prefer? |
| 20:30:44 | polobricolo | using your readpmu.py |
| 20:30:51 | bertrik | TheSeven, there is a basic ADC driver already, can you reuse that? |
| 20:31:02 | tomers | pixelma: When the main menu is displayed RTL, you expect to press LEFT, which is OUT of the tree, to enter deeper, and RIGHT, which is INTO the tree, to go back one level. That's all. It's unusable otherwise |
| 20:31:11 | kugel | amiconn: http://svn.rockbox.org/viewvc.cgi/trunk/firmware/drivers/lcd-bitmap-common.c?r1=22944;r2=22945;pathrev=22945 |
| 20:31:11 | TheSeven | polobricolo: yep, I already have the battery reading code in the bootloader, but we need to fit that to the rockbox apis |
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| 20:31:29 | TheSeven | bertrik: the battery ADC is on the PMU chip, not the SoC |
| 20:31:32 | bertrik | TheSeven, the only RTCs implemented so far for the s5l8700 targets were external ones (over I2C) |
| 20:31:32 | gevaerts | tomers: ah, ok, so if the WPS worked RTL (progressbar and things), you'd also want the buttons to be reversed? |
| 20:31:35 | tomers | gevaerts: I believe it's unusable without swap left and right |
| 20:31:40 | amiconn | kugel: oh |
| 20:31:49 | TheSeven | bertrik: yep, the RTC is in the PMU, too |
| 20:31:51 | amiconn | tomers: see kugel's link ^^ |
| 20:31:59 | bertrik | TheSeven, ok |
| 20:32:29 | tomers | gevaerts: Yes, indeed. But since the WPS is still LTR oriented, we don't need to change buttons, therefore avoiding some usage mess |
| 20:33:11 | kugel | rtl could possibly be a viewport property, with viewports_set_defaults() set it depending on the rtl status. that would also allow for overriding it in some cases |
| 20:33:28 | tomers | gevaerts, kugel: The alternative is to change the API to pass RTL swap. Or is there something I didn't think of yet? |
| 20:33:56 | * | gevaerts stays out of implementation discussions. He isn't familiar with GUI-related code at all |
| 20:34:00 | * | mt thinks having an RTL WPS should be an option, not something that changes with lang-file selection. |
| 20:34:30 | tomers | mt: That's another feature. Lets leave it for later :-) |
| 20:34:33 | mt | Although there could be different default options for different lang files. |
| 20:34:36 | linuxstb | polobricolo: Is "#ifdef CPU_PP" what you want? |
| 20:34:41 | amiconn | tomers: Have a flag in the lcd driver that is set when loading or changing settings |
| 20:34:55 | mt | tomers: Yeah, I'm just suggesting. :) |
| 20:35:23 | linuxstb | TheSeven: To answer your earlier question - yes, lcd_blit_yuv is simply a matter of copying another implementation. Although there does seem to be far too much of that going on... |
| 20:35:30 | CIA-43 | New commit by bluebrother (r22964): Add some more options to rbutil deploy script. ... |
| 20:35:44 | polobricolo | linuxstb: if there aren't any non-ipod portal player supported by rockbox then yes |
| 20:35:57 | polobricolo | TheSeven: http://pastebin.fr/5704 |
| 20:36:06 | bluebrother | domonoky: anything left that we could have in the rbutil deploy script apart from osx support? |
| 20:36:13 | kugel | polobricolo: iap is only compiled for ipod so that shouldn't be an issue |
| 20:36:18 | amiconn | linuxstb: I would like to see those unified, but they're all slightly different due to the different ways to acces the lcd controller etc |
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| 20:36:39 | linuxstb | amiconn: Yes, me too... |
| 20:36:57 | domonoky | bluebrother: osx support :-) |
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| 20:37:42 | tomers | amiconn, kugel: Should I have a flag in the lcd driver as you suggested, or having rtl as a viewport property, as kugel suggested? I am a bit confused now :-) |
| 20:37:44 | bluebrother | domonoky: send me a mac ... :P |
| 20:38:02 | domonoky | bluebrother: i can give access to JdGordons mac :-) |
| 20:38:33 | bluebrother | is python part of a default osx install btw? |
| 20:38:41 | kugel | tomers: it will be the same, just that you can override rtl per viewport and not per drawing call with the later |
| 20:38:50 | domonoky | but osx-support in the deploy scipt might get interesting, because we want it to be build not-statically :-) |
| 20:38:58 | kugel | I would prefer the viewport one |
| 20:39:12 | kugel | the latter* |
| 20:39:22 | bluebrother | domonoky: you spotted that my last commit adds support for building dynamically? |
| 20:39:34 | tomers | kugel: This option sounds much better |
| 20:39:40 | * | domonoky needs to read more carefully :-) |
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| 20:39:52 | Utchybann | TheSeven, linuxstb: I have just installed r22962 on my nano2g. |
| 20:40:03 | kugel | tomers: it may be a bit more work though :) not everything is viewport'ified |
| 20:40:07 | bluebrother | all this framework and fat binary thing might be interesting though. |
| 20:40:27 | domonoky | bluebrother: at least on jdgordons mac, python is already installed. |
| 20:40:34 | tomers | kugel: It's a good change to move towards a viewported world :-) |
| 20:40:37 | Utchybann | TheSeven: 'Rockbox info' only show 960MB, I have a 4GB nano. |
| 20:40:39 | bluebrother | nice. |
| 20:41:01 | kugel | but lists generally are, you shoulds be fine with doing "vp->rtl = lang_is_rtl" at the beginning of list drawing (or even at init) |
| 20:41:14 | gevaerts | Utchybann: probably "just" cosmetic |
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| 20:41:35 | TheSeven | Utchybann: known bug |
| 20:41:42 | TheSeven | it's just calculating it wrong |
| 20:41:44 | tomers | Can you please tell me how puts_style_offset() should know the rtl mode? |
| 20:41:51 | Utchybann | gevaerts: probably, but read or write access seems to freeze... |
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| 20:42:23 | kugel | tomers: actually, for future features, implementing it as a bit field may be even better (vp->flags |= VP_RTL_FLAG) |
| 20:42:25 | TheSeven | Utchybann: then it wouldn't boot up at all |
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| 20:42:57 | Utchybann | TheSeven: yes, in fact I have freeze when I try to play a file. |
| 20:43:00 | tomers | kugel: I repeat my last question: how puts_style_offset() should know the rtl mode? |
| 20:43:15 | TheSeven | Utchybann: do you have any album art on it? |
| 20:43:37 | TheSeven | as soon as there are jpegs around, mine is a little shaky, without them it's rock solid :-) |
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| 20:43:47 | kugel | tomers: if (current_vp->flags & VP_IS_RTL) xpos = current_vp->width - w - xpos; |
| 20:44:00 | Utchybann | TheSeven: you mean as cover.jpg in the directory or as id3tag ? |
| 20:44:13 | TheSeven | both |
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| 20:44:27 | TheSeven | but i'm having trouble with jpgs in the folder |
| 20:45:25 | Utchybann | TheSeven: in fact, I have quickly install rockbox and use file uploaded by gtkpod. I will upload some files in a more standard way. |
| 20:46:21 | Utchybann | TheSeven: I play them via Database not Files menu. |
| 20:46:58 | tomers | kugel: I missed that global variable |
| 20:47:17 | kugel | that's a pointer of the currently used viewport |
| 20:47:34 | tomers | Yeah, I meant to say that I overlooked it :-) |
| 20:48:29 | TheSeven | Utchybann: database didn't even work for me |
| 20:49:00 | Utchybann | linuxstb: I have also see few strange pixels when running 'cube' demo. A blue pixel that should be black. |
| 20:49:41 | Utchybann | TheSeven: I can browse the database. It seems good for me. But When I try to play a file, rockbox freeze. |
| 20:50:09 | Utchybann | TheSeven: did you init the database ? |
| 20:50:37 | TheSeven | Utchybann: initing the database freezes for me |
| 20:50:51 | TheSeven | and concerning the cube: your lcd having a stuck pixel? |
| 20:50:55 | TheSeven | mine has several. |
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| 20:51:13 | TheSeven | in fact it's not the LCD itself, but GRAM, that has bad cells |
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| 20:55:07 | Utchybann | TheSeven: the pixel is not stuck. When switching to wireframe rendering, I don't get the blue pixel. |
| 20:55:53 | Utchybann | TheSeven: playing via 'Files' menu works nicely. |
| 20:56:50 | TheSeven | Then blame it on the database, not audio |
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| 20:57:47 | Utchybann | TheSeven: or because my other files are upload for itunesdb with strange filename and probably cover in id3 tag. |
| 20:59:08 | polobricolo | Utchubann: can you read mp3 files ? |
| 20:59:08 | polobricolo | *Utchybann |
| 20:59:08 | polobricolo | does anyone know what is Auto Flow Control (for the UART on the s5l8701) |
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| 21:01:14 | Utchybann | polobricolo: yes |
| 21:01:48 | polobricolo | starnge, i can't. are you using the lastest svn ? |
| 21:02:27 | Utchybann | I'm running r22962. |
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| 21:12:27 | Utchybann | TheSeven: I have tried to change the WPS while listening to music and something freeze but I still hear music. |
| 21:13:17 | domonoky | polobricolo: Auto Flow Control is a standard feature of uarts, it controls the sending speed with the RTS/CTS signals. dont know if that is needed for iap. |
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| 21:22:26 | polobricolo | using Utchybann's rockbox.bin my audio works ! |
| 21:23:10 | polobricolo | i now have to test the iap |
| 21:24:26 | polobricolo | oh i get a divide by zero |
| 21:24:54 | * | polobricolo realises he didn't enable the auto baud feature |
| 21:25:06 | linuxstb | TheSeven: Regarding the next things to do, I'm very busy with other things for the next few days, but plan to do work around the installation process, in order for us to add official Nano2G support to Rockbox. i.e. finish my ipodpatcher work, get a Rockbox bootloader working, and release new ipodpatcher binaries with that bootloader embedded. I'll probably also write a Rockbox plugin to do the bootloader encryption (so it's all self-su |
| 21:25:06 | linuxstb | fficient). |
| 21:25:13 | polobricolo | i will check that tommorow |
| 21:25:59 | TheSeven | linuxstb: I just implemented the ADC, an am trying to figure out the RTC apis |
| 21:27:52 | polobricolo | TheSeven: does the s5l8701 support autobaud for the UART. i can't find it in the datasheet |
| 21:28:08 | TheSeven | i don't think it does |
| 21:28:14 | TheSeven | isn't such a thing usually done in software? |
| 21:28:15 | polobricolo | or this there a way to disable it in rockbox |
| 21:29:42 | polobricolo | i just had a look at the PP driver. it sets the baudrate to 115384bps when rockbox asks for autobaud |
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| 21:31:01 | linuxstb | TheSeven: Do you mean the Rockbox APIs? Do you know how to read the actual RTC data? Is there one in the S5L that the Apple firmware is using? |
| 21:31:29 | TheSeven | linuxstb: No, it's using the one in the PMU, and yes, I know how to get to the data |
| 21:31:50 | TheSeven | i'm currently just wondering on how to best organize the code, as there are 3 things sharing the same i2c stuff now |
| 21:32:08 | linuxstb | Is that a PCF, like earlier ipods? |
| 21:32:16 | TheSeven | a different one, I think |
| 21:32:22 | TheSeven | this demands for another drivers/pcfXXXXX.c, I think, but I don't know the exact model number right now |
| 21:33:36 | * | kugel bought that board |
| 21:34:09 | kugel | the mini2240 one |
| 21:34:17 | linuxstb | TheSeven: So it has a different register layout to the pcf50605/6 ? |
| 21:34:24 | kugel | 2440* |
| 21:34:26 | TheSeven | it has a different address, at least |
| 21:34:30 | TheSeven | need to check the regs |
| 21:35:05 | polobricolo | The ipod doesn't even pay music through the dock. |
| 21:35:10 | polobricolo | *play |
| 21:35:32 | polobricolo | it ooks like you need to activate it manually |
| 21:36:06 | TheSeven | no, reg layout is completely different, too |
| 21:36:10 | kugel | domonoky: did your board arrive already? |
| 21:37:16 | kugel | I got a friend of mine one also. he's a passionate network coder, maybe I can get him to implement a lan stack for rockbox :p |
| 21:38:06 | TheSeven | kugel: which board? |
| 21:38:28 | kugel | a china one with a s3c2440 soc |
| 21:38:56 | * | TheSeven is wondering if he should go for a friendlyarm board |
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| 21:39:18 | polobricolo | the iap doesn't work :( |
| 21:39:19 | kugel | TheSeven: if you do, consider this one :p http://cgi.ebay.de/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=120468760959&ru=http%3A%2F%2Fshop.ebay.de%3A80%2F%3F_from%3DR40%26_trksid%3Dp3907.m38.l1313%26_nkw%3D120468760959%26_sacat%3DSee-All-Categories%26_fvi%3D1&_rdc=1 |
| 21:39:34 | polobricolo | probably a problem with the uart autobaud |
| 21:40:07 | linuxstb | kugel: Hey, don't distract him! ;) |
| 21:40:15 | kugel | :) |
| 21:40:20 | TheSeven | polobricolo: why should a remote need autobaud? |
| 21:40:45 | domonoky | kugel: no my board is still delayed in customs somewhere in china :-) |
| 21:41:16 | polobricolo | i don't know. but rockbox initialize the baudrate to 0 (meaning autobaud mode) |
| 21:41:31 | * | polobricolo wonders if it is possible to diable that |
| 21:41:50 | domonoky | kugel: network should be easy with the lwip stack (i already used that somewhere else) so we only need the nic driver and ofcourse apps using it :-) |
| 21:42:14 | * | TheSeven eyed at http://www.watterott.com/Mini2440-with-35-Color-LCD-Touch-Panel which is in fact the same board |
| 21:42:31 | polobricolo | TheSeven: and all the docks don't use the same baudrate |
| 21:45:28 | TheSeven | linuxstb: should I go for a pmu-nano2g.c and pmu-target.h in firmware/target/arm/s5l8700/ipodnano2g? |
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| 21:45:29 | kugel | TheSeven: indeed, it's equal except for the price :p |
| 21:45:55 | TheSeven | kugel: but would ship from germany (where i am) |
| 21:46:04 | TheSeven | (at least if it was actually in stock, which it isn't) |
| 21:46:06 | kugel | oh, I am too |
| 21:46:32 | * | kugel values saving 50% over the shipping origin |
| 21:47:07 | TheSeven | it isn't really 50%, especially with additional taxes/customs/whatever may come up when buying it in the US or china |
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| 21:47:30 | domonoky | kugel: its less then 50% if you add up shipping and taxes. but still cheaper (and actually in stock) :-) |
| 21:47:43 | TheSeven | in stock, but stuck :-P |
| 21:47:54 | bluebrother | so it's in stuck :) |
| 21:48:12 | domonoky | true :-) |
| 21:48:15 | kugel | domonoky: did you pick ems express shipping? they promise 3-7 days shipping time |
| 21:49:00 | domonoky | kugel: no i choose dhl (more expensive, but more convienient for me (using Packetstation) ) |
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| 21:49:28 | Utchybann | TheSeven: playback works fine even with cover.jpg present in folder. |
| 21:50:00 | TheSeven | Utchybann: I only had glitches when I tried to change the volume while albumart was still loading and such stuff |
| 21:50:52 | Utchybann | TheSeven: ok. I have problem when trying to erase dynamic playlist. => need to reboot. |
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| 21:55:26 | linuxstb | TheSeven: Seems reasonable - I'm assuming it's going be quite specific to the Nano2G anyway... |
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| 21:58:52 | polobricolo | TheSeven: PCLK is 50mhz right ? |
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| 22:00:23 | TheSeven | polobricolo: I suspect it's 50MHz in iLoader and 100MHz in rockbox |
| 22:04:00 | * | polobricolo is going to write a UART logger tomorrow |
| 22:04:10 | polobricolo | but i have to go now |
| 22:05:19 | kugel | tomers: I fear a red :) |
| 22:05:56 | CIA-43 | New commit by tomers (r22966): Fix red - type |
| 22:06:13 | * | tomers had a typo typing typo |
| 22:06:46 | domonoky | fail ! :-) |
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| 22:21:35 | CIA-43 | New commit by theseven (r22967): Reworked iPod Nano 2G PMU code, added RTC and battery ADC. |
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| 22:22:04 | CIA-43 | New commit by tomers (r22968): Implement RTL as a viewport's bit-field |
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| 22:31:26 | polobricolo | does the PANIC power off on the nano2g cause a clean unmount of the FTL |
| 22:32:46 | TheSeven | depends on which one you get |
| 22:33:04 | TheSeven | "Unmounting flash failed" or "Poweroff not implemented yet" |
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| 22:35:17 | * | TheSeven thinks this was the last commit from him today |
| 22:36:50 | linuxstb | TheSeven: So is the time displaying in Rockbox now? |
| 22:36:56 | TheSeven | yes |
| 22:37:01 | CIA-43 | New commit by tomers (r22969): Fix yellow |
| 22:37:03 | TheSeven | setting it also works properly |
| 22:37:34 | linuxstb | Did you test that it is the same as when in the OF? |
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| 22:37:51 | TheSeven | not with rockbox, but with earlier testing code |
| 22:37:57 | TheSeven | should be ok. |
| 22:38:18 | TheSeven | btw, what is the commits-per-day record? We've been pretty busy today. |
| 22:39:14 | kugel | yea, today was extra-ordinary |
| 22:39:22 | linuxstb | TheSeven: Hmm, rtc-nano2g.c has CR/LF line-endings... |
| 22:39:45 | *** | Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" |
| 22:40:05 | linuxstb | And pmu-target.h is iso-8859-1 |
| 22:40:30 | TheSeven | funny, as I copied both of them from other files and then ditched the contents (but not the header) |
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| 22:41:13 | * | linuxstb wonders why "file" thinks rtc-nano2g.c is Pascal |
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| 22:42:03 | tomers_ | kugel: Have you seen my latest commits? Is it ok? |
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| 22:42:25 | kugel | not sure |
| 22:42:32 | TheSeven | what's the default encoding for rockbox? UTF8 with or without BOM? |
| 22:42:33 | drf|laptop | hey guys |
| 22:42:36 | drf|laptop | So I'm just curious |
| 22:42:40 | linuxstb | TheSeven: utf-8 without |
| 22:42:43 | drf|laptop | any chance of getting Rockbox for the Zune? |
| 22:42:44 | * | drf|laptop disappears |
| 22:43:06 | linuxstb | drf|laptop: Just follow this simple guide - http://www.rockbox.org/wiki/NewPort |
| 22:43:25 | drf|laptop | LOL |
| 22:43:30 | kugel | tomers_: I'm thinking you don't need to set it at every drawing |
| 22:43:39 | drf|laptop | But seriously. Is it because Microsoft isn't open-source or just because I'm one of only few people who likes Zunes? |
| 22:43:48 | kugel | the RTL should be correctly set for the parent coming in |
| 22:44:10 | markun | drf|laptop: the zune is similar to the gigabeat S, but they fixed a security problem which we use for getting rockbox to run. |
| 22:44:11 | linuxstb | drf|laptop: It's because there are security protections to prevent people running their own code, and no-one has found a way to bypass them yet. |
| 22:44:24 | drf|laptop | OK |
| 22:44:32 | drf|laptop | what is the gigabeat S? |
| 22:44:35 | drf|laptop | never even heard of it |
| 22:44:45 | kugel | I thought the only needed thing would be to add rtl flagging to viewport_set_defaults(), and ensure that viewportmanager_theme_changed() is called during font loading |
| 22:44:56 | drf|laptop | isn't there a Zune SDK? or is that only for the software aspect |
| 22:45:05 | linuxstb | dfkt: Basically an early version of the Zune, sold by Toshiba. |
| 22:45:12 | drf|laptop | o.o |
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| 22:45:19 | drf|laptop | I've never even heard of that |
| 22:45:33 | linuxstb | drf|laptop: But we're getting off-topic for #rockbox |
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| 22:45:51 | DerPapst | on my ipod sim (5G) lists can't be navigated using the scrollwhel anymore. is that related to the ltr changes? |
| 22:45:55 | drf|laptop | ah, well, I just wanted to know why Zune wasn't supported |
| 22:46:46 | bluebrother | there's another reason why: because nobody did the work. |
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| 22:47:26 | drf|laptop | I figured as much :/ |
| 22:47:34 | drf|laptop | If I was able to help I would, but I'm not about to tear my Zune apart |
| 22:47:45 | drf|laptop | nor am I any good at writing code... |
| 22:49:55 | * | TheSeven will commit encoding and line break fixes, upload another build to clustur, and then go to bed |
| 22:50:20 | tomers_ | kugel: Sounds much better. I'll try |
| 22:50:37 | DerPapst | tomers_: saw my message? |
| 22:52:15 | tomers_ | DerPapst: Yes. Can you expand on the issue? Maybe it's related, and maybe not... You can try different builds and pinpoint it, but today there were tons on commits. Are you a developer? Can you dive into the code and try to locate the problem? |
| 22:53:56 | DerPapst | well, i'm not too familiar with coding for rockbox (mostly did plugin stuff). i can check which revision broke it for me though. |
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| 22:54:42 | CIA-43 | New commit by theseven (r22970): Encoding fixes |
| 22:56:00 | kugel | tomers_: drawing shouldn't fix the viewports more than needed (i.e. not more than setting the rectangles up), proper rtl fixing can be done beforehand and much less often |
| 22:56:08 | * | DerPapst wonders why logbot prepends a 03 before the committer's name... |
| 22:56:37 | kugel | that's because your IRC client is crap |
| 22:56:48 | kugel | and CIA-43 != logbot |
| 22:56:57 | mt | Probably color code |
| 22:57:35 | bluebrother | DerPapst: that's a color code, not a simple 03 |
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| 22:58:11 | Horscht | so, I have a windows batch script that uses various programs to sync my ipod/rockbox player to my local media library. It's not yet universal, would the "third party" section of the forums be a good place to ask for input? |
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| 22:59:18 | DerPapst | kugel: my client isn't crap because it shows it correctly and i know that logbot istn CIA... |
| 22:59:48 | linuxstb | tomers_: Was your patch at FS #10650 what you committed as r22945 today? |
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| 23:00:10 | DerPapst | bluebrother, mt: thanks. i thought colour is only the first control char. ;) |
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| 23:01:03 | tomers_ | linuxstb: Yes, but the code was changes since |
| 23:01:28 | tomers_ | Actually, I don't remember if it is FS #10650 == r22945 exactly |
| 23:01:32 | tomers_ | Why? |
| 23:02:42 | linuxstb | Many reasons... 1) The commit message didn't refer to a flyspray task; 2) The flyspray task is still open; 3) The flyspray task said "At the moment, this patch breaks some less common screens. This is a preliminary work. It still needs lots of development.", which doesn't sound like something that IMO should have been committed... |
| 23:05:05 | * | LambdaCalculus37 knows he missed a massive load of fun on the nano2g front... |
| 23:06:05 | TheSeven | time to try the latest build, then. |
| 23:06:29 | tomers_ | linuxstb: 1. You are correct. 2. I will close it. 3. Screens are broken only for RTL langs, and I discussed it on IRC. People thought I should commit. |
| 23:06:59 | LambdaCalculus37 | TheSeven: I haven't had a single chance to do a single thing Rockbox-related now. |
| 23:07:06 | LambdaCalculus37 | And I miss it! |
| 23:07:47 | LambdaCalculus37 | TheSeven: So what's going on with the nano2g? And congrats on commit access! :) |
| 23:09:19 | TheSeven | R/W NAND and FTL, Audio, RTC, battery ADC and whatever I overlooked (some bugfixes) done, besides some instability issues. (and I won't trust the RW FTL yet) |
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| 23:15:46 | LambdaCalculus37 | TheSeven: Are there any instructions to load a test build on the nano2g? |
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| 23:16:02 | LambdaCalculus37 | I want to at least help test out the port; it's the best I can offer right now. |
| 23:16:10 | mt | DerPapst: It seems there's something that broke up/down buttons in e200 sim build too (haven't tried on target yet) .. have you found a problematic revision ? |
| 23:16:14 | TheSeven | it's basically installing iLoader and unpacking the rockbox zip to the drive |
| 23:16:32 | LambdaCalculus37 | TheSeven: Got a link to iLoader on the wiki? |
| 23:16:43 | TheSeven | linuxstb: is ipodpatcher already usable? |
| 23:17:00 | TheSeven | if not: http://l4n.clustur.com/index.php/ILoader |
| 23:17:02 | linuxstb | Not for dual-booting, but the "replace the OF with iloader" feature works fine. |
| 23:17:08 | DerPapst | mt: not yet. cygwin is tooo slow. |
| 23:17:37 | * | DerPapst needs to config his linux vm to compile sims |
| 23:18:25 | DerPapst | i'm checking if r22960 still works. that is one before the inverted button commit |
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| 23:19:58 | LambdaCalculus37 | TheSeven: Thanks, I'll give it a try soon. |
| 23:20:31 | pixelma | didn't kugel say it was related to some hack for sims being removed earlier today? |
| 23:21:18 | pixelma | that the scrollwheel in sims doesn't work anymore I mean |
| 23:21:50 | DerPapst | he mentioned some hack.. but i haven't checked what it was good for. |
| 23:22:00 | DerPapst | the scrollwheel in the wps still works though |
| 23:22:11 | DerPapst | it's just broken in the lists |
| 23:22:49 | mt | pixelma: Didn't know/read that. :( |
| 23:23:57 | mt | I re-built, re-pulled a clean copy, and re-built once more trying to make sure it wasn't a problem in my local tree ! |
| 23:24:19 | pixelma | I'm not sure what and which commit it related to exactly and hoped to get his attention |
| 23:25:43 | mt | I guess I'll revert to the latest revision as of yesterday and rebuild, again. :/ |
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| 23:29:37 | * | TheSeven will go to bed now |
| 23:30:08 | LambdaCalculus37 | Good night! |
| 23:30:32 | DerPapst | nighty night TheSeven |
| 23:30:41 | CIA-43 | New commit by tomers (r22972): Updated Hebrew language (fixed position of question marks) |
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| 23:32:30 | CIA-43 | New commit by tomers (r22973): Fix red: Protect viewport RTL flag manipulation with #ifdef HAVE_LCD_BITMAP |
| 23:33:21 | DerPapst | mt, tomers_: scrolling in list is already broken in r22960. |
| 23:34:36 | tomers_ | DerPapst: ipod5g simulator? |
| 23:34:53 | DerPapst | yes |
| 23:35:07 | DerPapst | e200 sim seems to be broken too |
| 23:35:35 | * | tomers_ Checking scrolling in e200 sim |
| 23:35:44 | DerPapst | i'd guess all the other ipod sims too. |
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| 23:36:17 | tomers_ | DerPapst: Scrolling in LTR (english)? |
| 23:36:48 | DerPapst | yes |
| 23:38:14 | Utchybann | TheSeven: rtc seems fine. |
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| 23:42:46 | markun | saratoga, GodEater: I think you guys are overreacting a bit here: http://forums.rockbox.org/index.php?topic=22854.0 |
| 23:43:34 | markun | or should I post that in #rockbox? |
| 23:43:54 | markun | ah way, this *is* #rockbox :) |
| 23:44:02 | DerPapst | hehe :D |
| 23:44:18 | markun | way -> wait |
| 23:45:02 | gevaerts | markun: I agree |
| 23:45:46 | gevaerts | restoring a device to a state the service people are likely to be familiar with is not a bad thing to do |
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| 23:47:47 | markun | gevaerts: even if installing rockbox means that technically you have no warranty anymore, I would want to send it back if for example the buttons would fall of |
| 23:47:54 | gevaerts | of course |
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| 23:48:52 | * | gevaerts also strongly doubts that rockbox would mean that technically you have no warranty anymore in such cases |
| 23:49:34 | mt | kugel: Is there something I should do to fix the scroll wheel in the sim ?(e200 sim) |
| 23:49:38 | DerPapst | mt, tomers_: r22944 already seems to be broken. so it's not related to the LTR committs |
| 23:50:05 | evilnick | There was some noise about this with the iRiver port. IIRC, iRiver were fine repairing hardware issues on Rockboxed players for a time but then changed their tune. |
| 23:50:13 | kugel | DerPapst: as pixelma said, kkurbjun broke that |
| 23:50:39 | n1s | gevaerts: what if you played too much doom so you broke the buttons? :) |
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| 23:51:13 | gevaerts | n1s: broken buttons are likely to be an edge case anyway :) We're speaking about clear manufacturing defects here |
| 23:51:16 | DerPapst | kugel: thanls |
| 23:51:39 | * | DerPapst reverts r22936 then |
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| 23:52:25 | gevaerts | of course the OP asks about making sure that no traces remain. That's going a bit further than just putting the OF back |
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| 23:55:21 | * | gevaerts thinks that it's also extremely hard to remove all traces of something if an sd card and its manufacturer are involved |
| 23:56:26 | markun | ;) |
| 23:57:05 | markun | "our sniffer dogs found traces of rockbox, so we're not going to replace the buttons" |
| 23:57:52 | gevaerts | "I was framed!" |
| 23:58:38 | gevaerts | could happen on the mr500... |
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