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#rockbox log for 2009-10-07

00:00:04linuxstbTheSeven: If you want a break from your bug-hunting, could you try test_fps on your Nano to see if there is any difference between the LCDs?
00:02:08CIA-43New commit by nls (r22993): fix checkwps breakage caused by r229900
00:02:20preglowlinuxstb: i haven't followed the progress at all, can the 2g stuff be applied to later gens as well?
00:03:38linuxstbpreglow: I don't think so no. I think that the encryption is different (i.e. better) and it uses a different version of the SoC
00:04:23n1sso, the problem was that a) checkwps didn't include system.h in all places it should but instead checkwps.h and that the database tool defines SIMULATOR which checkwps does not
00:05:31linuxstbpreglow: I think the current status by the people at #linux4nano is that code is running (but not doing anything useful) on the 4th gen Nano (via the Notes buffer overflow exploit). On the 1st gen Classic (i.e. the original 80GB/160GB versions), code is running via Notes and communicating via the UART.
00:07:34n1slinuxstb: do you know of any recent progress on dumping the OF on the nano4g? (i assume that's what's needed to get somewhere)
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00:07:56linuxstbn1s: I think they're still stuck at trying to get the UART working, so they can do just that.
00:08:22linuxstbOr rather, the first thing that can be dumped is the boot-rom embedded in the SoC
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00:09:08n1sah, and it's assumed that this SoC is not similar to the one in the 2g/meizus?
00:09:16preglowi wonder if the code for the decryption is accessible at all
00:09:31n1spreglow: iiuc it's done in hardware
00:10:18linuxstbpreglow: On the Nano2G, there's a hardware crypto unit (AES) with two embedded keys (one unique to the ipod, one common to all ipods). Apple encrypt the firmware partition using the "same on all ipods key", which means we can do the same.
00:11:01linuxstbBut there are signs of certificates being used to sign things on the later ipods...
00:11:05preglowyeah, as expected
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00:22:43compguy248How can I obtain the latest available .zip build for the nano2g? I would like to test the newer one with audio/working clock.
00:23:58krazykitdownload the source and compile it is one way
00:24:38compguy248Thats true, guess i will have to resort to that. Last time the .zip was so much quicker :D
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01:51:24Stephen__if i wanted to create a custom progress indicator inside a conditonal of %px would i need an image for each step of the custom progress bar ?
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03:39:18Donnycan anybody help me with rockboy? how do i get past the menu with games?
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04:05:21snookumsif a low level format software recognizes the correct number of sectors but doesn't recognize the correct number of gb of a harddrive, will it format the entire harddrive or just some of it?
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07:33:02Shennyone here?
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07:36:53Shenis there a working link to download the sansa patcher and manufacturer mode driver that still works? i have googled for them but i am unsuccessful... the links on the site seems to be dead.... thank you
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07:37:57JdGordon1which sansa?
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07:50:20Shensansa e200r
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07:57:23Shenthis is the page from which i tried downloading the patcher and driver from but both links are dead and i had no luck with google...
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08:40:13JdGordon1why on earth do we have %x and %xl ?
08:40:27JdGordon1behind the hood both are handled almost identically
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08:40:43JdGordonand I think the only differences could be fixed anyway
08:42:01linuxstbHow would you preload images without %xl?
08:43:46JdGordonimages are always preloaded... its how they are drawn that is different
08:44:20linuxstbThat's what I mean. How do you specify that a loaded image is not always displayed?
08:44:23JdGordon%x doesnt actually draw the image, you still need to use %xd i tihnk
08:45:01linuxstbThat's not what the description on CustomWPS says.
08:46:11JdGordonsomething is not right.....
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08:47:24JdGordonah, im wrong... this wps is incorrect :)
08:54:32JdGordonshuoldnt the %xd tag be dynamic?
08:55:05JdGordonI mean... this wps is wrong anyway, but it feels like the whole point of it is to change the image being displayed
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08:59:52kugelJdGordon: why should %xd be dynamic? its tag value doesn't change, does it?
09:00:17JdGordonit doesnt have a value
09:00:22JdGordonit causes other tags to change though
09:00:33JdGordon... na i dunno... I tihnk its just a badly done .wps
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09:01:21kugelI don't think any tag that can't be a conditional needs to be dynamic
09:01:51JdGordonand there is a HZ*100 somewhere which causes wierdness with this wps
09:01:58JdGordonit draws over the aa
09:02:58*JdGordon thinks he should start charging for skin/wps support when its not a actual code issue :D
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09:13:22JdGordonanyone have any thoughts about FS #9710 as a stand in untill multifont?
09:17:03LloreanI seem to recall thinking that it's actually useful even after multifont goes in.
09:17:25LloreanIt'd be quite nice to have actual gradient/shaded numbers that fit the theme nicely for some things, etc.
09:18:37LloreanYou could even go further and use it to hack together something like an analogue clock or dial, too, I'd imagine?
09:19:11JdGordonI think the argument against it was because multifont would be better (obviously), and that half-way bandaids wernt wanted
09:19:32JdGordonnot sure how youd do a clock dial like that
09:19:32LloreanI kinda think they address different things.
09:19:50JdGordonI think you could do a analoge clock with the current image and conditional tags
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09:20:04LloreanYeah, but for playback progress?
09:20:54LloreanNah, can't do it there since you can't split minutes and seconds to two separate things.
09:21:28JdGordonif that was really wanted it could be added
09:21:30LloreanAnyway, I still think being able to independently skin numerals is nice. It still does things multifont cant unless we ever move past 1bpp fonts, which seems unlikely.
09:22:51LloreanFor some of those "classic" themes like the cassette tape one, etc, I imagine it'd be nice to have numbers that can look more authentically like an old LED digital display.
09:23:06JdGordonit would be very fun to give the tag a list of chars that are in the bmp strip to load so its more flexible than just numbers
09:23:58LloreanWell, *most* cases if it's static text (you know which characters are used in advance) you can just display it.
09:24:02LloreanI mean, as a bitmap.
09:24:58JdGordondinner, bbs
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09:27:41LloreanJdGordon: Just to clarify, can you have two or more different sets of numbers in use at once, or is it "use the normal fonts numbers, or the alternates, but that's it"?
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09:31:21JdGordonlooking at the patch its "draw the value of this tag with the numbers from this image strip"
09:31:27JdGordonso you can do heaps of these
09:34:04LloreanThat's what I thought from the description
09:34:07LloreanJust wanted to be 100% sure.
09:34:18LloreanIf that's the case, I think it's a nice feature.
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09:46:48linuxstbZagor: Hi. Can you restore the old e200rpatcher on the download server? There was no need to release a new version (it just patches some instructions in the OF, it doesn't install a bootloader), and that new release doesn't include a win32 version. I think you simply need to remove and then move 5.0/e200r-patcher/ back up one level
09:50:19*linuxstb wonders why that bootloader release went so wrong...
09:53:51Lloreanlinuxstb: Do we have a comprehensive release checklist yet?
09:57:35linuxstbZagor: Also, what about changing symlinks such as into copies of what is in the higher-level directory? That would stop the recursion, and also make it possible for someone to just give you a .zip for a new release (with nothing else to be done by you).
09:58:31Zagorthe 6.0 symlink is oddly a link to the current directory...
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10:01:53razymcould someone help me troubleshoot my iPod 5.5g 80gb?
10:02:17razymfollowing a new restore of the iPod, i can't boot into rockbox after installing 3.4
10:02:32razymi get the error "Error! Can't load rockbox.ipod: File not found"
10:02:42razymthough booting into disk mode obviously shows a .rockbox folder
10:02:48razymand all the files that should be there
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10:04:59Lloreanrazym: I don't know if we're certain why yet, but 80GB 5.5Gs specifically have had that problem occasionally
10:05:02LloreanIt seems to be semi-random.
10:05:45linuxstbZagor: Yes, that's what I mean. It could just be a copy of the relevant parts of the current directory. So a new release .zip could consist of two copies of the files - one in the "root", and one in a "7.0" subdirectory.
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10:07:07Zagorwhy do we even keep old revisions of the bootloader?
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10:07:33LloreanBecause some were made with old compiler versions, and can't be compiled any more? I don't know really
10:08:34fanta2is it possible to get a fat volume label in rockbox?
10:09:00Zagorfanta2: you can set the label when the disk is attached to your pc
10:09:57fanta2yeah, but I mean within rockbox are there any APIs which allow you to access that label? I looked around and couldn't find any, but it could just be me looking in the wrong places
10:10:19linuxstbZagor: I guess the most recent old revision is useful just in case we need to revert a release. But I guess there's no real reason to keep older revisions, apart from completeness.
10:10:47Zagorhaving just a single revision on the download server would be a lot less messy
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10:11:55linuxstbHave "x.x" subdirs doesn't seem that messy.
10:12:34fanta2Oh I'm silly, the volume label is a directory entry >.<
10:12:50Zagorlinuxstb: sure, as long as everything is inside those dirs. but they aren't.
10:13:45linuxstbWhat about moving things into those dirs, and having a "current" symlink?
10:13:55linuxstb(this would break all URLs though...)
10:14:13Zagorlinuxstb: that would be good, but as usual we're limited by rbutil
10:15:24Zagorperhaps the next version of rbutil should use dedicated URLs that I can set up redirects for, instead of pointing directly to files.
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10:23:34linuxstbZagor: Sounds reasonable. Or maybe some other form of redirection - e.g. a cgi-bin script which can return to rbutil the URL of a file.
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10:44:55Zagorholy handgrenade. rbutil has its' own httpget class.
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10:47:04Zagoranyway, it looks like it deals with 302s without any extra work. so redirects would mean just changing rbutil.ini
10:49:46Utchybannlinuxstb: regarding FS #10656 and the wrong size in rockbox info. Docs say that the max size of a cluster is 32KB.
10:50:57Utchybannlinuxstb: so my patch will not overflow more than the original code.
10:52:15gevaertsin my reading it should actually overflow less
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11:09:56amiconnEww @r22992
11:12:13Zagoramiconn: you might want to be a bit more specific :)
11:12:43fanta2Something wrong with the 2nd gen iPod Nano LCD driver?
11:12:47amiconnPorting this crappy slowish C implementation of all things
11:13:17Zagoramiconn: surely it is better than what was there before (nothing) ?
11:13:45amiconnIt also reminded me that I still want to fix this stuff for the Color and Nano
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11:49:03CIA-43New commit by gevaerts (r22994): SRC is for sources, not objects
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12:19:32JdGordon1any thoughts on FS #8844? (I tihnk the implementation could be better... but i tinhk the idea is great)
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12:24:08JdGordon1I'm not sure if it will make skins easier or harder to read/understand
12:25:24JdGordon1especially if something like "%?bl<zero|%xda|one hundred> " is legal... assuming the 'a' image has some number of subimages
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13:34:52polobricolohey i got a panic with rockbox "Updating size on empty dir e*******(a part goes out of my screen) try 76" i'm using a FTL Read Only to avoid having an unclean unmount in case my nano2g crashes
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13:35:22polobricoloIIC it is not the first time i got that error
13:38:40polobricoloit happened when i did a tryed to play another music file
13:39:09polobricoloit asks me "Erase dynamic playlist" if i answer yes it does the panic
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14:28:45casainhohello :-)
14:29:18casainhoI would like to know that If I am porting Rockbox to a custom hardware, I will need to pay MP3 royalties?
14:29:38casainhoplease look at this question:
14:32:00TorneAsk a lawyer. We don't know.
14:32:14Tornepatents are complicated, and vary by country
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14:34:45casainhoOk. But, is true that a player don't need to pay royalties just because they were paid for the original codecs?
14:35:42funmanAsk a lawyer. We don't know.
14:36:06casainhohmmm, ok. Because this is for sure something discuss before.
14:36:23casainhodiscussed before
14:37:36funmanyes but it's not specific to rockbox, you can find better places for discussing about this
14:39:10casainhook, thanks.
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14:40:59kugelcasainho: I bought the board
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14:43:59casainhokugel: nice! Did you saw the last blog post? ::
14:44:12casainhonow we are 5 developers with the same hardware :-)
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14:46:31kugelcasainho: two friends of mine are getting it too
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14:47:10kugelbut don't count on us for doing real developement, we buy it to get experience for our studies and play around, not for building a open play running rockbox
14:49:42casainhokugel: ok. Bob is going quickly, as now firmware runs on it. There should be no need for help to port it. But would be nice to have people interested on using it for a Rockbo device.
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16:39:16gevaertsZagor: why does only show 8 clients?
16:40:04Zagorgood question. looks like it crashes, the html is cut off in the middle of the table
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17:23:16polobricolohey i got a panic with rockbox "Updating size on empty dir e*******(a part goes out of my screen) try 76" i'm using a FTL Read Only to avoid having an unclean unmount in case my nano2g crashes
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17:39:24kugelpolobricolo: Looks like read-only isn't implemented completely
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17:41:26polobricolokugel: but i think i had the same problem with a RW rockbox (not sure though)
17:42:04kugelthe panic should only be able to happen on write accesses
17:42:38kugelI'd expect it to come up with a RW driver too
17:57:41amiconnThe panic happens in the fat driver if the underlying disk or disk driver is read only
17:58:23amiconnThis is probably because some sectors are cached
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18:30:58notlisteningbluebrother are there any problems with rbutil not finding rockboxInfo.txt when creating the voice fies
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18:36:10polobricolois there a sort of ROCKBOX_READ_ONLY define
18:39:48gevaertsAny opinions on FS #10660? I think the advantage of getting the database tool in the build system now outweighs being able to run "make database" (I'm actually not convinced that that would really be so wonderful), but I'm sure not everyone agrees
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18:40:59kugelpolobricolo: no, but I thought it would be usefull a few times already
18:42:12bluebrothernotlistening: none that I'm aware of. Do you encounter issues?
18:43:37notlisteningumm yeah someone who i helping install rockbox with has go half the content that should be on there after an install
18:43:54Lloreangevaerts: I think being able to build it in the build system is a good first step either way - at least it becomes more available for now.
18:46:06*gevaerts also looks at bluebrother since he's the one who raised the issue
18:46:18notlisteningRan a full install and some dirs are there and the majourity now seems like it installed the extras and nothing else not the main rockbox release
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18:54:10CIA-43New commit by gevaerts (r22997): Add some database builds. I don't think we need more than these two to detect breakage
18:54:12funmanyou have to select current build iirc
18:54:17CIA-43New commit by gevaerts (r22998): Make the database tool buildable from configure. ...
18:56:09rasherIsn't the database tool valid for all targets?
18:56:25gevaertsit is. Do you want 30 more builds?
18:56:38gevaertsoh, I see what you mean
18:56:43gevaertsYes and no :)
18:57:42gevaertsThe database format is compatible with all targets, but working with wrong-endian databases is going to be slower.
18:57:57rasherAh, okay
18:58:53gevaertsAlso, since HWCODEC targets can't handle all codecs, the database as built on the target will never include metadata from files using unsupported codecs. If you build the database tool for such targets you'll get the same restriction
18:59:54gevaertsAnd finally, HAVE_LCD_CHARCELLS targets have a less-complete unicode implementation, which I suspect might impact metadata parsing as well in rare cases, but I'm not sure what that means for the tool
19:01:38*gevaerts complains loudly
19:01:52gevaertsWhy did it break?
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19:05:03bertrikgevaerts, weird, it works here
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19:07:18bertrikmy gcc (4.3.3) is slightly older than roolku's (4.4.0), maybe that makes a difference
19:08:08gevaertscould be
19:09:20*gevaerts will continue looking into this later. First dinner
19:10:00polobricolodoes rockbox do any calls to the fat driver except in the common/file.c file ?
19:14:45bluebrothergevaerts: I agree that having the database in the build system now is better than later. I've still got my opinion about configure ;-)
19:17:13bluebrothernotlistening: sorry, went out for a while. Interesting, I haven't observed this issue but I also haven't tested e200v2. Which OS did you run it on?
19:18:11funmannotlistening: did you select 'current build' ?
19:20:58bluebrothernotlistening: hmm. Windows is the patform that should have the least issues, at least from my perspective. Have you saved the systrace (About / Troubleshoot / System Trace)? Might reval something.
19:22:03polobricoloWhat does readwrite do ?
19:22:27polobricolodo read or write depending on the write parameter ?
19:24:03notlisteningit did not report any errpr btu i am helping remotely
19:24:30funmannotlistening: did you select 'current build' ?
19:24:43funmanyou or your friend*
19:27:02notlisteningI am not sure she is blind and it is hard for her
19:27:35notlisteningI got her to download the current build from th website now and that now in place so all the files are there
19:28:18notlisteningand have just tried to get her to install the voice files and getting a 404 error
19:28:52bluebrothernotlistening: does she maybe use an outdated version of Rockbox Utility? Some paths changed on the webserver not long ago.
19:29:46notlisteningi will get her to download a fresh copy
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19:55:00gevaertsit's not a gcc-4.4 issue. That works fine for me as well
19:56:27*gevaerts doesn't want to think about finding the issue blindly
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20:04:39gevaertsAnyone around with the same sort of system as b32-roolku?
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20:06:13funmanwhy is ?
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20:06:16funmanwhich is?*
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20:06:41*polobricolo 's RO build did not work :(
20:07:09gevaertsfunman: no idea
20:07:24pixelmaI vaguely remember roolk also runs some cygwin clients but am not sure which it was exactly
20:07:31pixelmaroolku I mean
20:09:06CIA-43New commit by gevaerts (r22999): Also build database.c using SIM settings, in an attempt to fix the red on b32-roolku
20:09:42gevaertsnow let's hope that fate directs this build to the same client
20:10:00bluebrotherfate? Is that the new name of the build server?
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20:10:42gevaertsit's one of the names used for the allocation algorithm it uses
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20:12:57polobricolodoes anyone have an idea how to make a Read Only build of rockbox ?
20:13:31gevaertsI don't think you can, apart from dummyfying the write() functions
20:15:57domonokypolobricolo: if you let the xxx_write_sector() function always return -1, rockbox should run just fine (with a few error messages, but nothing critical) without ever writing to the disk :-)
20:16:35gevaertsh300db was built by b30-roolku. I guess there's a reasonable chance that it runs the same software as b32-roolku...
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20:21:41notlisteningdomonoky, did you get my e-mail?
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20:21:56domonokynotlistening: yes, i just answerd :-)
20:22:12notlisteningSorry ;)
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20:40:05polobricolodomonoky: your solution worked. In TheSeven's code if the FTL_READONLY was defined it returned 1 but it caused a "Updating size on empty dir entry 76" panic
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20:40:53polobricolonow it just complains "Error accesing playlist control file" but its a splahf not a panic so it works !
20:41:01gevaertsthat one is expected
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20:44:22selectohhdoes anyone know how to change the button REPEAT_START / REPEAT_INTERVAL_START for the sansa c100? i changed it in button.c but it only works on the sansa e200 and has no effect on the c100
20:45:25polobricolooh database doesn't work :(
20:45:34polobricolo"database not ready"
20:45:58polobricolobut i used the database tool on my PC
20:46:55CIA-43New commit by theseven (r23000): Make iPod Nano 2G FTL return -1 on write() call, if read-only, to prevent panic.
20:47:05TheSevengevaerts: so I did it...
20:47:11gevaertswell done!
20:48:19TheSevena trivial one-letter patch
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20:48:44polobricoloTheSeven: but it changes quite a lot at execution
20:48:58snookumsmmm not one bad sector on my whole ipod hdd :D
20:49:41amiconnselectohh: These values affect button repeat for all targets
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20:55:42notlisteningdomonoky, you should be good to go now, till the next bug :D
20:56:08domonokynotlistening: jup, i just need more time to work on it :-)
20:56:35amiconngevaerts: The metadata parsing does not differ between bitmap and charcell
20:56:55notlisteningdomonoky, what needs doing?
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20:57:36amiconnRockbox always uses utf-8 internally anyway; the only difference on charcell is that the codepage conversion supports fewer codepages
20:57:36gevaertsamiconn: the parsing doesn't, but unicode.c knows about different charsets. That's important to get the thing to actually build, but I don't know if it makes any difference for the output
20:58:14domonokynotlistening: adaption to your changes, and the things i already listed in the tracker entry. maybe i find some time for it tomorrow.
20:59:39notlisteningdomonoky, does it launch the server automatically at the moment
21:00:59domonokynotlistening: yes. it even embedds it into the binary. (it expect it named "opensapi-server.exe" sitting in rbutil directory while you compile rbutil)
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21:03:56notlisteningshould i release it as opensapi-server.exe from now on?
21:04:23notlisteningthat's very smart :D
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21:05:00domonokyas it can be easiiy used also in other programs and isnt bound to rbutil, i would say so :-)
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21:07:02notlisteningDo you want to add it into the svn rbutil folder when it is stable?
21:08:52domonokyi am not sure at moment, but if we want to embedd it into rbutil i think we need a copy of it in svn for easy handling.. (maybe in rbutilqt/opensapi with a nice README from where its etc)
21:09:46*domonoky knows another improvement for the opensapi-server... version numbers :-)
21:10:05notlisteningwhat are they :D
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21:23:45snookumshey i'm a little confused.. am i supposed to make my own music folder in whatever directory i choose in rockbox?
21:24:32snookumsi'm reading this manual but i don't see if there is already a folder in there or if i just throw it wherever and build a database later
21:24:40selectohhsnookums you can just make it wherever you want, as long as it's on the drive in general.. be sure to do "show all files" though or maybe you won't find it
21:27:43snookumsoh ok.
21:27:56snookumsi guess i'll be relying completely on tags then
21:28:41GodEaterthe only recommended place NOT to put your music is in the .rockbox folder
21:28:45GodEateranywhere else is fine.
21:29:07snookumsoh.. lol i just started to put it in a folder in the .rockbox dir
21:29:13selectohhamiconn: sweet thanks for your reply earlier. you is right
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21:31:16selectohhone more question if i may: if i wanted to have rockbox automatically start a plugin on boot, where/how would i do such a thing? i'm a bit confused as to where the main "loop" of rockbox is
21:31:47GodEaterselectohh: that functionality already exists in the source code (but is disabled by default)
21:31:55GodEaterselectohh: have a hunt for autorock.rock
21:32:45selectohhGodEater: really! thanks. i will look. you guys are awesome thank you.
21:33:21*GodEater is wearing a T-Shirt which says "I am awesome"
21:34:54*selectohh is making people uncomfortable by overthanking
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21:44:55Jaykayi just unintentionally edited DesktopTools... i wanted to enter the site, and the login-dialog came up. i entered my name and pw, and then the site was shown. and now i see that i edited something... something with a attachement
21:45:18Jaykaygevaerts: could you check if anything is broken?
21:46:46*gevaerts wonders why he has been chosen
21:48:00gevaertsah, I see. The same thing happened to me :)
21:48:03Jaykaybecause you edited the file before and maybe you know which pictures where on it
21:48:20gevaertsI suspect we need Zagor to find out what's going on
21:50:31snookumsi think i have just one more question.. in both files and database mode, inside the folders, the songs are listed but as the file names, not the tag names.. is there any way to get it to list them as the song titles in the tags instead of the file names?
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21:54:21snookumsi guess this is wps specific for each template
21:56:04snookumsbut tag names aren't displayed in the files or database viewer.. only in the wps
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21:57:41domonokysnookums: the filebrower will ofcourse display filenames, but the database should show content based on tags.
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22:01:45webguest55was wondering if someone could help me with installation on a sansa 250v2
22:03:14snookumsoh ok.. now i see.. i thought it was displaying song numbers because of the file names themselves, but it automatically generates that from the tags
22:03:37snookumsthanks for the answers :)
22:03:46GodEaterin the database yes, not in the filebrowser
22:03:59webguest55more precisely can i make my e250v2 a e250r
22:04:32GodEaterwebguest55: how is that a rockbox installation question ?
22:04:48polobricolowhy isn't it possible to increase the sound volume in rockbox on the nano2G
22:05:30snookumsyea thats exactly how i expected it to be in the file browser.. i was expecting the database to not have numbers in front of the song titles
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22:05:39webguest55because i want rockbox on my player
22:06:04GodEaterwebguest55: what makes you think you need to convert your e200v2 into an e250r to get rockbox on it ?
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22:06:51pixelmagevaerts, or tomers: I now have a log from the USB prober on Mac OS 10.4. A first search for differences between barrywardell's log with his e200 on 10.5.8 shows only tiny differences (my c200: - his: )
22:07:18webguest55i know that i dont but it wont read from my card
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22:07:51webguest55i had a e250r and had to get it replaced and they sent me a e250v2
22:07:55GodEaterwebguest55: well, first of all, it can't be done. The hardware in those two models are completely different.
22:08:14webguest55welll gd
22:08:45webguest55rockbox isnt fully supported on my player
22:08:50pixelmagevaerts: I can mount the c200 in OF mode but it also seems to be a bit shaky (sometimes it only connects after a second try) - I even get two devices but couldn't try out the microSD slot as I only have an SDHC card with me
22:09:08webguest55can i downgrade to a model that is fully supported?
22:09:18GodEaterwebguest55: no
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22:09:36GodEaterwebguest55: you have to go out and BUY a model that is supported.
22:09:47webguest55i had one
22:09:58webguest55untill it messed up
22:10:14webguest55then they sent me a brandnew one that isnt
22:10:20goffayou tell the company that did the rma about it?
22:10:23gevaertsthe e200v2 code should work reasonably well if I understand things correctly
22:10:49webguest55ok well then maybe i didsomething wrong
22:11:12webguest55the instructions were confusing to me
22:12:28webguest55the main thing that aggravates me is that when i put my sd card in with rockbox it freezes and says *panic*
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22:15:25snookumsi would call the company up and tell them you don't want that revision
22:15:38snookumsthey will most likely replace it
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22:16:29snookumstell them its for a schizophrenic individual and everything has to be exactly the way it was before or they rip their hair out
22:17:24snookumsthey might think you are crazy, but who is going to take chances on a story like that? lol
22:17:44funmanwebguest55: even with a recent (downloaded today) current build ?
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22:18:04funmanwhat is the exact message ?
22:18:20funmanand the exact revision of your build
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22:19:39webguest55i just now downloaded the rockbox
22:20:01GodEaterthere is no "the" in rockbox ;)
22:20:10webguest55i know that
22:20:32GodEaterinteresting that you typed it then
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22:20:40funmanyou can see the exact version in system -> rockbox infos
22:20:47LambdaCalculus37TheSeven, linuxstb: Great work on the nano2g port so far!
22:21:01funmanwebguest55: if there are still bugs with microSD in current builds, your report might help
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22:21:34funmanand if god exists, the e200v2 port will be stable before nano2g !
22:21:47*GodEater will go buy a nano2g then
22:22:11webguest55well hang on now i cant get it to loaf rockbox it says file not found
22:24:36webguest55i think im losing it
22:25:12webguest55version r23000-091007
22:25:26*bluebroth3r goes looking for a nano2g
22:25:29webguest55it wont read my 4gb card
22:25:54webguest55*panic* microsd init failed
22:26:02webguest55: -3
22:26:15LambdaCalculus37bluebroth3r: Audio playback, most plugins, and controls work, but the audio playback is still really buggy.
22:26:20funmandoes it happen when you boot with the microsd inserted? or when you boot and then insert it ?
22:26:32LambdaCalculus37For example, if you play a track, then go to select another track from the file browser, the nano freezes.
22:26:54webguest55boot then insert it
22:27:05funmanwebguest55: would you try a custom build to see if that makes any difference ?
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22:27:22webguest55ya i would
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22:28:50funmanwebguest55: can you give me your mail so i can send it to you ?
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22:29:18pixelmanot here though...
22:29:33pixelmaI wanted to say... this channel is logged
22:29:36funmanpixelma: freenode require registration for sending private messages
22:30:01n1sfunman: yes but spambots are free to crawl our logs :)
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22:30:06pixelmafunman: you can allow PM from unregisterd users
22:30:17funmanpixelma: ah didn't know that
22:30:20n1sor obfuscate the ady
22:30:22pixelmait's a freenode setting
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22:32:18funmanwebguest55: sent
22:32:51webguest55yes and recieved does it matter that it is a .sansa
22:33:35webguest55well now it reads it
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22:35:00CIA-43New commit by funman (r23001): Sansa AMS SD: relax requirement for APP_CMD response, some uSD cards seem to not set correctly the response bits
22:35:53webguest55wont play from sd though
22:36:10funmanwhich sd card is it ? (exact model and class)
22:38:02webguest55it is a sandisk 4gb microsd hc
22:38:12funmanwhich class ?
22:38:27froggymancould someone take a look at FS #10661 for me?
22:38:41webguest55one minute i cant get it to load now
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22:39:30webguest55how do i get the class
22:39:43domonokyfroggyman: there is no patch ? :-)
22:40:29*Strife89 wonders who still holds interest in FS #8806.
22:40:34froggymandomonoky: whoops, forgot to upload, its probaly important isnt it?
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22:40:51bluebrotherwebguest55: there's usually a number printed in a circle somewhere on the card. That's the class.
22:41:03LambdaCalculus37Strife89: I do, but I prefer it as a codec.
22:41:10webguest55ahhhh yes its a 2
22:41:42Strife89LambdaCalculus37: It's gotten better as a codec, but there's still the hitch with .IT files at the moment.
22:41:47webguest55funman how do i get ur rockbox to load?
22:42:14funmanwebguest55: i explained it in the email : unzip rockbox.sansa to the .rockbox/ folder on your player
22:42:34froggymandomonoky: there you go
22:43:08webguest55yes its there
22:43:43mrtok1hi, someone here who can help me with debugging setup - first time on gdb embedded (remote?)
22:43:55webguest55when i try to play a song from my card when it does read it it wont play and says that codec failure
22:45:23funmanmrtok1: which target are you using ?
22:45:32CIA-43New commit by tomers (r23002): HID: Remove mouse drag in iPod's keymap, in another attempt to resolve issue from r22991 (ipod4g got stuck in mouse mode)
22:45:40funmanwebguest55: try copying the song from the card to the player
22:46:21webguest55it still wont play
22:46:56funmanwhat kind of file is it ?
22:47:38funmanwebguest55: just download again the current build, it will have all the codecs and the fix I just committed after you tested it
22:47:50LambdaCalculus37Strife89: I haven't got any .IT files to test on it at the moment.
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22:48:01webguest55k brb
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22:48:12LambdaCalculus37But most of my .MOD, .S3M, and .XM files work fine.
22:48:17Strife89LambdaCalculus37: You do if you look at the last comment on the FlySpray page. ;)
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22:48:53mrtok1funman: ipod-nano-1g
22:49:06funmanmrtok1: i don't think you can use gdb together with rockbox on nano-1g
22:49:14Strife89LambdaCalculus37: Most (not quite all) of my .MODs, .S3Ms, and .XMs work just fine. Some won't play at all, and some EAT the CPU.
22:49:31mrtok1funman: ok - what else can be done to debug ?
22:49:36Strife89Usually, though, they're the heavy ones.
22:49:44funmanyou can use rockbox' panicf() / logf()
22:51:08pixelmaStrife89: not sure if it the very last version of the patch I tested but for me all MODs fail that are a bit too big for the codec buffer or so (and one that's failing in SVN too though)
22:51:23mrtok1funman: mmmmh - no way? jtag ?
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22:51:27n1scan't software usb targets (such as the nano (1G)) do logf-over-usb, or have i dreamt that?
22:51:34webguest55ahhh yes
22:51:37funmanmrtok1: you can use jtag but you don't need rockbox support there
22:51:38webguest55now it plays
22:51:46webguest55from the card
22:51:56funmann1s: logf over usb should be possible with usb serial driver
22:52:00funmanwebguest55: nice!
22:52:06FlynDicefunman: that APP_CMD you tweaked was what was hanging up voltage scaling in the card init, for me at least. No time now but I'll investigate tonight to see how things lie...
22:52:09n1smrtok1: what bug are you chasing that makes you need jtag?
22:52:32webguest55yes very thank you very much for your time and help
22:52:32funmanwebguest55: if you see other bugs we don't knwo about please tell. we know the LCD display can sometimes be corrupted, and that USB & recording do not work in rockbox
22:52:53funmanFlynDice: oh ok, did you try to remove the check for the response bits ?
22:53:00mrtok1n1s: code is a kind of custom eq
22:53:05n1sfunman: do we have such a driver for the pp players?
22:53:24funmann1s: usb serial works at the same level than mass storage and HID so it should work
22:53:28n1smrtok1: apps code can usually be debugged in the simulator with gdb
22:53:34webguest55ok if i come across something i will let u know
22:53:42FlynDicefunman:No, never got that far and moved on to other stuff...
22:53:44n1sfunman: ah, good to know :)
22:53:58funmann1s: perhaps with appropriate headers tweaking however ;)
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22:54:56froggymancould someone please take a look at FS #10661
22:56:04LambdaCalculus37Strife89: Some eat the CPU? Do they put a little hot sauce on it first? ;)
22:56:29webguest55thankyou for ur help funman
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22:56:34mrtok1funman, n1s: thanks - give simulator a try....
22:56:38Strife89LambdaCalculus37: No, but they do make my battery level appear to drop to almost 0%. :)
22:56:56Strife89LambdaCalculus37: Left to play for more than a couple of minutes, at least.
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22:58:27n1sfroggyman: from a quick glance that patch seems to do a lot more than adding some levels
22:59:03LambdaCalculus37Strife89: Which player is this on?
22:59:14froggymann1s: well, I just added the levels, and did the svn diff
22:59:23Strife89LambdaCalculus37: The iPod.
22:59:44Strife89LambdaCalculus37: But I remember the CPU issue happening on the Sansa as well.
23:00:12n1sfroggyman: so the unrelated code changes appeard by themselves?
23:00:27Strife89LambdaCalculus37: And the .IT issue, actually.
23:01:07froggymann1s: ohh, and it adds a couple comments on the syntax of the arrays used for levels
23:01:38froggymann1s: off course...
23:01:48*froggyman has no idea why that is
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23:02:24Strife89LambdaCalculus37: The CPU problem only occurs with large, quite complicated tracker files; it's basically the MIDI player all over again. Virtually all my .MODs play without issue, but a few S3Ms get skipped entirely, and the occassional .XM stutters badly.
23:02:41CtcpPing from gevaerts!n=fg@rockbox/developer/gevaerts
23:03:30n1sfroggyman: maybe you diffed from an older version or have other patches applied?
23:05:39froggymann1s: no, its a clean respiratory, at r23003
23:06:00froggymanerrm r23002
23:08:17n1sthen *you* have made those changes! anyway it's concidered best to not include unrelated changes such as style and whitespace i a patch for somethign else, and also mention what the patch does, "This patch adds an additional 11 levels" does tell me what the additions to the levels struct are but not what all the changes to the code are meant to acomplish
23:08:35snookumshey is there a way to dual boot firmwares and have your choice as to whether rockbox or apple starts up?
23:09:03Strife89snookums: Turn the iPod on, then quickly turn on the Hold switch.
23:09:15Strife89snookums: Oh, wait. Misread the question.
23:09:32snookumsi just discovered that my car cable isn't compatible with this
23:10:25snookumsoh wait.. your answer works
23:10:38snookumsif it will start up in apple's firmware thats all i need
23:11:15Strife89snookums: If you plug a turned-off iPod in while the Hold switch is already on, that will also work.
23:11:44snookumssweet thanks
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23:18:28froggymann1s: hmm... I really dont know what those other changes did, or how they got there. I updated FS #10661 to get rid of the irrelevant code changes so it updates only the levels and 2 other places in the code to allow for those levels
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23:23:06n1sfroggyman: looks much better, bedtime for me though, if noone has commited it tomorrow night, i'll do it then, just remid me ;)
23:23:35LambdaCalculus37Strife89: My beast has no issues playing S3M or XM. :)
23:23:58froggymann1s: ok thanks
23:24:54Strife89LambdaCalculus37: Your Beast must have one, then. ;)
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23:25:32ED_209are there many/any worthwhile patches or plugins that aren't included in 3.4 ?
23:26:15Strife89ED_209: That partially depends on what you're most interested in.
23:26:34ED_209I'm looking for a way to have a type of voice modulator that uses the mic and outputs to either the line out or the headphones out
23:26:36Strife89ED_209: Sounds like a duh statement, but think about it.
23:26:47evilnickWell, it totally depends on what you're interested in, and what player you have, I'd say.
23:27:19ED_209iriver h300
23:28:56ED_209I want a kind of voice scrambler/modulator that can route into my phone for "scary" phonecalls to mess with friends
23:30:54ED_209the iriver has a mic and a line out, I was wondering if there's anything out there that can mimic the hardware voice changers you can get
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23:32:56ED_209I have a hardware voice changer except it doesn't work with my cell because there's no way to isolate the mic, since it's under the keypad, but if the iriver could do that in realtime I could just make a cable to plug into my phone
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23:34:10froggymansomeone want to check out FS #10661
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23:38:19ED_209so I'm guessing there isn't one
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23:38:43froggymanED_209: I dont think so
23:39:29ED_209I opened this voice changer up and it's got a palsy amount of components in it, how hard would it be to translate that into something the iriver could use?
23:40:10JdGordon1can you code?
23:41:09ED_209that wasn't my answer :/
23:43:32ED_209is there a realtime pitch bender or something?
23:44:32markunI don't think so
23:44:34froggymanED_209: there is a realtime pitch adjuster
23:44:43markunah yes, that
23:45:15ED_209flyspray has heaps of unfinished or impossible things, I would have thought a NES emulator wasn't that hard with a coldfire processor, but that seems to have been abandoned a year or more ago
23:46:27froggymanED_209: you will find that a lot with flysprays... although some of those will still patch and compile for rockbox
23:46:35ED_209and the rockboy thing never worked properly. I noticed that the iriver is constantly overclocking the processor by a certain percentage depending on what kind of file it's playing... why are there no game platform emulators that work?
23:46:56ED_209like surely an atari 2600 would have been done by now?
23:47:07domonoky1ED_209: its probably not because its too hard, but that there is no one interested in it at moment..
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23:47:51ED_209there must be a certain 'community' for the h300 though, because it does so many things that modern players still don't
23:48:17domonoky1rockboy works pretty good on irivers for some games. and we are not overclocking the h300....
23:48:28ED_209line in, line out, headphones out, mic in, radio, fairly decent processor, colour screen, etc
23:48:35froggymanED_209: and also keep in mind that this a *volunteer* project, people code stuff for it because they *want* to, its all done on there own free time. If no coders/developers are interested in a feature like a emulator no work is going to be done on it
23:49:11ED_209I would have thought emulators would be one of the most requested things
23:49:17domonoky1ED_209: if you want such things, then start by helping out.. if all people just complain, nothing gets done.
23:49:58ED_209I wouldn't be here asking if I could do something about it, since I don't know how to code in anything but basic.
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23:50:12domonoky1ED_209: its not about requests, its all about what the people coding it are interested in.
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23:51:20ED_209I realise that now, but I was initially just asking if something was out there floating around that wasn't put into the official release
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23:51:31froggymanED_209: rockbox was designed for the playing of music, things like games and viewers are just extras
23:51:47ED_209kickass extras!
23:52:58ED_209probably half the reason I use rockbox instead of the reasonably decent h300 firmware
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