00:00:04 | linuxstb | TheSeven: If you want a break from your bug-hunting, could you try test_fps on your Nano to see if there is any difference between the LCDs? |
00:02:08 | CIA-43 | New commit by nls (r22993): fix checkwps breakage caused by r229900 |
00:02:20 | preglow | linuxstb: i haven't followed the progress at all, can the 2g stuff be applied to later gens as well? |
00:03:38 | linuxstb | preglow: I don't think so no. I think that the encryption is different (i.e. better) and it uses a different version of the SoC |
00:03:57 | preglow | meh |
00:04:23 | n1s | so, the problem was that a) checkwps didn't include system.h in all places it should but instead checkwps.h and that the database tool defines SIMULATOR which checkwps does not |
00:05:31 | linuxstb | preglow: I think the current status by the people at #linux4nano is that code is running (but not doing anything useful) on the 4th gen Nano (via the Notes buffer overflow exploit). On the 1st gen Classic (i.e. the original 80GB/160GB versions), code is running via Notes and communicating via the UART. |
00:07:34 | n1s | linuxstb: do you know of any recent progress on dumping the OF on the nano4g? (i assume that's what's needed to get somewhere) |
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00:07:56 | linuxstb | n1s: I think they're still stuck at trying to get the UART working, so they can do just that. |
00:08:22 | linuxstb | Or rather, the first thing that can be dumped is the boot-rom embedded in the SoC |
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00:09:08 | n1s | ah, and it's assumed that this SoC is not similar to the one in the 2g/meizus? |
00:09:16 | preglow | i wonder if the code for the decryption is accessible at all |
00:09:31 | n1s | preglow: iiuc it's done in hardware |
00:10:18 | linuxstb | preglow: On the Nano2G, there's a hardware crypto unit (AES) with two embedded keys (one unique to the ipod, one common to all ipods). Apple encrypt the firmware partition using the "same on all ipods key", which means we can do the same. |
00:11:01 | linuxstb | But there are signs of certificates being used to sign things on the later ipods... |
00:11:05 | preglow | yeah, as expected |
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00:23:58 | krazykit | download the source and compile it is one way |
00:24:38 | compguy248 | Thats true, guess i will have to resort to that. Last time the .zip was so much quicker :D |
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07:33:02 | Shen | nyone here? |
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07:36:53 | Shen | is there a working link to download the sansa patcher and manufacturer mode driver that still works? i have googled for them but i am unsuccessful... the links on the rockbox.org site seems to be dead.... thank you |
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07:37:57 | JdGordon1 | which sansa? |
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07:50:20 | Shen | sansa e200r |
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07:57:23 | Shen | this is the page from which i tried downloading the patcher and driver from but both links are dead and i had no luck with google... http://www.rockbox.org/wiki/SansaE200RInstallation |
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08:13:34 | linuxstb | Shen: http://download.rockbox.org/bootloader/sandisk-sansa/5.0/e200r-patcher/ |
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08:19:32 | Shen | thankyou |
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08:40:13 | JdGordon1 | why on earth do we have %x and %xl ? |
08:40:27 | JdGordon1 | behind the hood both are handled almost identically |
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08:40:43 | JdGordon | and I think the only differences could be fixed anyway |
08:42:01 | linuxstb | How would you preload images without %xl? |
08:43:46 | JdGordon | images are always preloaded... its how they are drawn that is different |
08:44:20 | linuxstb | That's what I mean. How do you specify that a loaded image is not always displayed? |
08:44:23 | JdGordon | %x doesnt actually draw the image, you still need to use %xd i tihnk |
08:45:01 | linuxstb | That's not what the description on CustomWPS says. |
08:46:11 | JdGordon | something is not right..... |
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08:47:24 | JdGordon | ah, im wrong... this wps is incorrect :) |
08:54:32 | JdGordon | shuoldnt the %xd tag be dynamic? |
08:55:05 | JdGordon | I mean... this wps is wrong anyway, but it feels like the whole point of it is to change the image being displayed |
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08:59:52 | kugel | JdGordon: why should %xd be dynamic? its tag value doesn't change, does it? |
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09:00:17 | JdGordon | it doesnt have a value |
09:00:22 | JdGordon | it causes other tags to change though |
09:00:33 | JdGordon | ... na i dunno... I tihnk its just a badly done .wps |
09:00:34 | kugel | how? |
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09:01:21 | kugel | I don't think any tag that can't be a conditional needs to be dynamic |
09:01:51 | JdGordon | and there is a HZ*100 somewhere which causes wierdness with this wps |
09:01:58 | JdGordon | it draws over the aa |
09:02:58 | * | JdGordon thinks he should start charging for skin/wps support when its not a actual code issue :D |
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09:13:22 | JdGordon | anyone have any thoughts about FS #9710 as a stand in untill multifont? |
09:17:03 | Llorean | I seem to recall thinking that it's actually useful even after multifont goes in. |
09:17:25 | Llorean | It'd be quite nice to have actual gradient/shaded numbers that fit the theme nicely for some things, etc. |
09:18:37 | Llorean | You could even go further and use it to hack together something like an analogue clock or dial, too, I'd imagine? |
09:19:11 | JdGordon | I think the argument against it was because multifont would be better (obviously), and that half-way bandaids wernt wanted |
09:19:32 | JdGordon | not sure how youd do a clock dial like that |
09:19:32 | Llorean | I kinda think they address different things. |
09:19:50 | JdGordon | I think you could do a analoge clock with the current image and conditional tags |
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09:20:04 | Llorean | Yeah, but for playback progress? |
09:20:40 | JdGordon | ? |
09:20:54 | Llorean | Nah, can't do it there since you can't split minutes and seconds to two separate things. |
09:21:28 | JdGordon | if that was really wanted it could be added |
09:21:30 | Llorean | Anyway, I still think being able to independently skin numerals is nice. It still does things multifont cant unless we ever move past 1bpp fonts, which seems unlikely. |
09:22:51 | Llorean | For some of those "classic" themes like the cassette tape one, etc, I imagine it'd be nice to have numbers that can look more authentically like an old LED digital display. |
09:23:06 | JdGordon | it would be very fun to give the tag a list of chars that are in the bmp strip to load so its more flexible than just numbers |
09:23:58 | Llorean | Well, *most* cases if it's static text (you know which characters are used in advance) you can just display it. |
09:24:02 | Llorean | I mean, as a bitmap. |
09:24:58 | JdGordon | dinner, bbs |
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09:27:41 | Llorean | JdGordon: Just to clarify, can you have two or more different sets of numbers in use at once, or is it "use the normal fonts numbers, or the alternates, but that's it"? |
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09:31:21 | JdGordon | looking at the patch its "draw the value of this tag with the numbers from this image strip" |
09:31:27 | JdGordon | so you can do heaps of these |
09:34:04 | Llorean | That's what I thought from the description |
09:34:07 | Llorean | Just wanted to be 100% sure. |
09:34:18 | Llorean | If that's the case, I think it's a nice feature. |
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09:46:48 | linuxstb | Zagor: Hi. Can you restore the old e200rpatcher on the download server? There was no need to release a new version (it just patches some instructions in the OF, it doesn't install a bootloader), and that new release doesn't include a win32 version. I think you simply need to remove http://download.rockbox.org/bootloader/sandisk-sansa/e200r-patcher/ and then move 5.0/e200r-patcher/ back up one level |
09:48:38 | Zagor | ok |
09:50:19 | * | linuxstb wonders why that bootloader release went so wrong... |
09:53:51 | Llorean | linuxstb: Do we have a comprehensive release checklist yet? |
09:57:35 | linuxstb | Zagor: Also, what about changing symlinks such as http://download.rockbox.org/bootloader/sandisk-sansa/6.0/ into copies of what is in the higher-level directory? That would stop the recursion, and also make it possible for someone to just give you a .zip for a new release (with nothing else to be done by you). |
09:58:31 | Zagor | the 6.0 symlink is oddly a link to the current directory... |
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10:01:53 | razym | could someone help me troubleshoot my iPod 5.5g 80gb? |
10:02:17 | razym | following a new restore of the iPod, i can't boot into rockbox after installing 3.4 |
10:02:32 | razym | i get the error "Error! Can't load rockbox.ipod: File not found" |
10:02:42 | razym | though booting into disk mode obviously shows a .rockbox folder |
10:02:48 | razym | and all the files that should be there |
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10:04:59 | Llorean | razym: I don't know if we're certain why yet, but 80GB 5.5Gs specifically have had that problem occasionally |
10:05:02 | Llorean | It seems to be semi-random. |
10:05:45 | linuxstb | Zagor: Yes, that's what I mean. It could just be a copy of the relevant parts of the current directory. So a new release .zip could consist of two copies of the files - one in the "root", and one in a "7.0" subdirectory. |
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10:07:07 | Zagor | why do we even keep old revisions of the bootloader? |
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10:07:33 | Llorean | Because some were made with old compiler versions, and can't be compiled any more? I don't know really |
10:08:34 | fanta2 | is it possible to get a fat volume label in rockbox? |
10:09:00 | Zagor | fanta2: you can set the label when the disk is attached to your pc |
10:09:57 | fanta2 | yeah, but I mean within rockbox are there any APIs which allow you to access that label? I looked around and couldn't find any, but it could just be me looking in the wrong places |
10:10:19 | linuxstb | Zagor: I guess the most recent old revision is useful just in case we need to revert a release. But I guess there's no real reason to keep older revisions, apart from completeness. |
10:10:47 | Zagor | having just a single revision on the download server would be a lot less messy |
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10:11:55 | linuxstb | Have "x.x" subdirs doesn't seem that messy. |
10:12:34 | fanta2 | Oh I'm silly, the volume label is a directory entry >.< |
10:12:50 | Zagor | linuxstb: sure, as long as everything is inside those dirs. but they aren't. |
10:12:50 | fanta2 | nevermind |
10:13:45 | linuxstb | What about moving things into those dirs, and having a "current" symlink? |
10:13:55 | linuxstb | (this would break all URLs though...) |
10:14:13 | Zagor | linuxstb: that would be good, but as usual we're limited by rbutil |
10:15:24 | Zagor | perhaps the next version of rbutil should use dedicated rbutil.rockbox.org URLs that I can set up redirects for, instead of pointing directly to files. |
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10:23:34 | linuxstb | Zagor: Sounds reasonable. Or maybe some other form of redirection - e.g. a cgi-bin script which can return to rbutil the URL of a file. |
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10:44:55 | Zagor | holy handgrenade. rbutil has its' own httpget class. |
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10:47:04 | Zagor | anyway, it looks like it deals with 302s without any extra work. so redirects would mean just changing rbutil.ini |
10:49:46 | Utchybann | linuxstb: regarding FS #10656 and the wrong size in rockbox info. Docs say that the max size of a cluster is 32KB. |
10:50:57 | Utchybann | linuxstb: so my patch will not overflow more than the original code. |
10:52:15 | gevaerts | in my reading it should actually overflow less |
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11:09:56 | amiconn | Eww @r22992 |
11:12:13 | Zagor | amiconn: you might want to be a bit more specific :) |
11:12:43 | fanta2 | Something wrong with the 2nd gen iPod Nano LCD driver? |
11:12:47 | amiconn | Porting this crappy slowish C implementation of all things |
11:13:17 | Zagor | amiconn: surely it is better than what was there before (nothing) ? |
11:13:45 | amiconn | It also reminded me that I still want to fix this stuff for the Color and Nano |
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12:24:08 | JdGordon1 | I'm not sure if it will make skins easier or harder to read/understand |
12:25:24 | JdGordon1 | especially if something like "%?bl<zero|%xda|one hundred> " is legal... assuming the 'a' image has some number of subimages |
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13:34:52 | polobricolo | hey i got a panic with rockbox "Updating size on empty dir e*******(a part goes out of my screen) try 76" i'm using a FTL Read Only to avoid having an unclean unmount in case my nano2g crashes |
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13:35:22 | polobricolo | IIC it is not the first time i got that error |
13:38:40 | polobricolo | it happened when i did a tryed to play another music file |
13:39:09 | polobricolo | it asks me "Erase dynamic playlist" if i answer yes it does the panic |
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14:28:45 | casainho | hello :-) |
14:29:18 | casainho | I would like to know that If I am porting Rockbox to a custom hardware, I will need to pay MP3 royalties? |
14:29:38 | casainho | please look at this question: http://lyre.sourceforge.net/?q=content/legal |
14:32:00 | Torne | Ask a lawyer. We don't know. |
14:32:14 | Torne | patents are complicated, and vary by country |
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14:34:45 | casainho | Ok. But, is true that a player don't need to pay royalties just because they were paid for the original codecs? |
14:35:42 | funman | Ask a lawyer. We don't know. |
14:36:06 | casainho | hmmm, ok. Because this is for sure something discuss before. |
14:36:23 | casainho | discussed before |
14:37:36 | funman | yes but it's not specific to rockbox, you can find better places for discussing about this |
14:39:10 | casainho | ok, thanks. |
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14:40:59 | kugel | casainho: I bought the board |
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14:43:59 | casainho | kugel: nice! Did you saw the last blog post? :: http://lyre.sourceforge.net/?q=content/mini2440-update |
14:44:12 | casainho | now we are 5 developers with the same hardware :-) |
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14:46:02 | kugel | nice |
14:46:31 | kugel | casainho: two friends of mine are getting it too |
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14:47:10 | kugel | but don't count on us for doing real developement, we buy it to get experience for our studies and play around, not for building a open play running rockbox |
14:49:42 | casainho | kugel: ok. Bob is going quickly, as now firmware runs on it. There should be no need for help to port it. But would be nice to have people interested on using it for a Rockbo device. |
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15:12:53 | preglow | maybe the @rockbox.org alias isn't working? |
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16:39:16 | gevaerts | Zagor: why does http://build.rockbox.org/data/22995-clients.html only show 8 clients? |
16:40:04 | Zagor | good question. looks like it crashes, the html is cut off in the middle of the table |
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17:23:16 | polobricolo | hey i got a panic with rockbox "Updating size on empty dir e*******(a part goes out of my screen) try 76" i'm using a FTL Read Only to avoid having an unclean unmount in case my nano2g crashes |
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17:39:24 | kugel | polobricolo: Looks like read-only isn't implemented completely |
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17:41:26 | polobricolo | kugel: but i think i had the same problem with a RW rockbox (not sure though) |
17:42:04 | kugel | the panic should only be able to happen on write accesses |
17:42:38 | kugel | I'd expect it to come up with a RW driver too |
17:57:41 | amiconn | The panic happens in the fat driver if the underlying disk or disk driver is read only |
17:58:23 | amiconn | This is probably because some sectors are cached |
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18:30:58 | notlistening | bluebrother are there any problems with rbutil not finding rockboxInfo.txt when creating the voice fies |
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18:36:10 | polobricolo | is there a sort of ROCKBOX_READ_ONLY define |
18:39:48 | gevaerts | Any opinions on FS #10660? I think the advantage of getting the database tool in the build system now outweighs being able to run "make database" (I'm actually not convinced that that would really be so wonderful), but I'm sure not everyone agrees |
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18:40:59 | kugel | polobricolo: no, but I thought it would be usefull a few times already |
18:42:12 | bluebrother | notlistening: none that I'm aware of. Do you encounter issues? |
18:43:37 | notlistening | umm yeah someone who i helping install rockbox with has go half the content that should be on there after an install |
18:43:54 | Llorean | gevaerts: I think being able to build it in the build system is a good first step either way - at least it becomes more available for now. |
18:43:55 | notlistening | *got |
18:46:06 | * | gevaerts also looks at bluebrother since he's the one who raised the issue |
18:46:18 | notlistening | Ran a full install and some dirs are there and the majourity now seems like it installed the extras and nothing else not the main rockbox release |
18:46:54 | notlistening | e200V2 |
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18:54:10 | CIA-43 | New commit by gevaerts (r22997): Add some database builds. I don't think we need more than these two to detect breakage |
18:54:12 | funman | you have to select current build iirc |
18:54:17 | CIA-43 | New commit by gevaerts (r22998): Make the database tool buildable from configure. ... |
18:56:09 | rasher | Isn't the database tool valid for all targets? |
18:56:25 | gevaerts | it is. Do you want 30 more builds? |
18:56:38 | gevaerts | oh, I see what you mean |
18:56:43 | gevaerts | Yes and no :) |
18:57:42 | gevaerts | The database format is compatible with all targets, but working with wrong-endian databases is going to be slower. |
18:57:57 | rasher | Ah, okay |
18:58:53 | gevaerts | Also, since HWCODEC targets can't handle all codecs, the database as built on the target will never include metadata from files using unsupported codecs. If you build the database tool for such targets you'll get the same restriction |
18:59:54 | gevaerts | And finally, HAVE_LCD_CHARCELLS targets have a less-complete unicode implementation, which I suspect might impact metadata parsing as well in rare cases, but I'm not sure what that means for the tool |
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19:01:38 | * | gevaerts complains loudly |
19:01:52 | gevaerts | Why did it break? |
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19:05:03 | bertrik | gevaerts, weird, it works here |
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19:07:18 | bertrik | my gcc (4.3.3) is slightly older than roolku's (4.4.0), maybe that makes a difference |
19:08:08 | gevaerts | could be |
19:09:20 | * | gevaerts will continue looking into this later. First dinner |
19:10:00 | polobricolo | does rockbox do any calls to the fat driver except in the common/file.c file ? |
19:14:45 | bluebrother | gevaerts: I agree that having the database in the build system now is better than later. I've still got my opinion about configure ;-) |
19:17:13 | bluebrother | notlistening: sorry, went out for a while. Interesting, I haven't observed this issue but I also haven't tested e200v2. Which OS did you run it on? |
19:17:56 | notlistening | Windows |
19:18:11 | funman | notlistening: did you select 'current build' ? |
19:20:58 | bluebrother | notlistening: hmm. Windows is the patform that should have the least issues, at least from my perspective. Have you saved the systrace (About / Troubleshoot / System Trace)? Might reval something. |
19:22:03 | polobricolo | What does readwrite do ? |
19:22:27 | polobricolo | do read or write depending on the write parameter ? |
19:24:03 | notlistening | it did not report any errpr btu i am helping remotely |
19:24:30 | funman | notlistening: did you select 'current build' ? |
19:24:43 | funman | you or your friend* |
19:27:02 | notlistening | I am not sure she is blind and it is hard for her |
19:27:35 | notlistening | I got her to download the current build from th website now and that now in place so all the files are there |
19:28:18 | notlistening | and have just tried to get her to install the voice files and getting a 404 error |
19:28:52 | bluebrother | notlistening: does she maybe use an outdated version of Rockbox Utility? Some paths changed on the webserver not long ago. |
19:29:46 | notlistening | i will get her to download a fresh copy |
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19:55:00 | gevaerts | it's not a gcc-4.4 issue. That works fine for me as well |
19:56:27 | * | gevaerts doesn't want to think about finding the issue blindly |
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20:04:39 | gevaerts | Anyone around with the same sort of system as b32-roolku? |
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20:06:13 | funman | why is ? |
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20:06:16 | funman | which is?* |
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20:06:41 | * | polobricolo 's RO build did not work :( |
20:07:09 | gevaerts | funman: no idea |
20:07:24 | pixelma | I vaguely remember roolk also runs some cygwin clients but am not sure which it was exactly |
20:07:31 | pixelma | roolku I mean |
20:09:06 | CIA-43 | New commit by gevaerts (r22999): Also build database.c using SIM settings, in an attempt to fix the red on b32-roolku |
20:09:42 | gevaerts | now let's hope that fate directs this build to the same client |
20:10:00 | bluebrother | fate? Is that the new name of the build server? |
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20:10:42 | gevaerts | it's one of the names used for the allocation algorithm it uses |
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20:12:57 | polobricolo | does anyone have an idea how to make a Read Only build of rockbox ? |
20:13:31 | gevaerts | I don't think you can, apart from dummyfying the write() functions |
20:15:57 | domonoky | polobricolo: if you let the xxx_write_sector() function always return -1, rockbox should run just fine (with a few error messages, but nothing critical) without ever writing to the disk :-) |
20:16:35 | gevaerts | h300db was built by b30-roolku. I guess there's a reasonable chance that it runs the same software as b32-roolku... |
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20:21:05 | bluebrother | why on earth does windows cmd.exe not support ANSI color codes? Gnah :( |
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20:21:41 | notlistening | domonoky, did you get my e-mail? |
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20:21:56 | domonoky | notlistening: yes, i just answerd :-) |
20:22:12 | notlistening | Sorry ;) |
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20:40:05 | polobricolo | domonoky: your solution worked. In TheSeven's code if the FTL_READONLY was defined it returned 1 but it caused a "Updating size on empty dir entry 76" panic |
20:40:48 | *** | Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" |
20:40:53 | polobricolo | now it just complains "Error accesing playlist control file" but its a splahf not a panic so it works ! |
20:41:01 | gevaerts | that one is expected |
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20:44:22 | selectohh | does anyone know how to change the button REPEAT_START / REPEAT_INTERVAL_START for the sansa c100? i changed it in button.c but it only works on the sansa e200 and has no effect on the c100 |
20:45:25 | polobricolo | oh database doesn't work :( |
20:45:34 | polobricolo | "database not ready" |
20:45:58 | polobricolo | but i used the database tool on my PC |
20:46:55 | CIA-43 | New commit by theseven (r23000): Make iPod Nano 2G FTL return -1 on write() call, if read-only, to prevent panic. |
20:47:05 | TheSeven | gevaerts: so I did it... |
20:47:11 | gevaerts | well done! |
20:48:19 | TheSeven | a trivial one-letter patch |
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20:48:44 | polobricolo | TheSeven: but it changes quite a lot at execution |
20:48:58 | snookums | mmm not one bad sector on my whole ipod hdd :D |
20:49:41 | amiconn | selectohh: These values affect button repeat for all targets |
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20:55:42 | notlistening | domonoky, you should be good to go now, till the next bug :D |
20:56:08 | domonoky | notlistening: jup, i just need more time to work on it :-) |
20:56:35 | amiconn | gevaerts: The metadata parsing does not differ between bitmap and charcell |
20:56:55 | notlistening | domonoky, what needs doing? |
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20:57:36 | amiconn | Rockbox always uses utf-8 internally anyway; the only difference on charcell is that the codepage conversion supports fewer codepages |
20:57:36 | gevaerts | amiconn: the parsing doesn't, but unicode.c knows about different charsets. That's important to get the thing to actually build, but I don't know if it makes any difference for the output |
20:58:14 | domonoky | notlistening: adaption to your changes, and the things i already listed in the tracker entry. maybe i find some time for it tomorrow. |
20:59:39 | notlistening | domonoky, does it launch the server automatically at the moment |
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21:00:59 | domonoky | notlistening: yes. it even embedds it into the binary. (it expect it named "opensapi-server.exe" sitting in rbutil directory while you compile rbutil) |
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21:03:56 | notlistening | should i release it as opensapi-server.exe from now on? |
21:04:23 | notlistening | that's very smart :D |
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21:05:00 | domonoky | as it can be easiiy used also in other programs and isnt bound to rbutil, i would say so :-) |
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21:07:02 | notlistening | Do you want to add it into the svn rbutil folder when it is stable? |
21:08:52 | domonoky | i am not sure at moment, but if we want to embedd it into rbutil i think we need a copy of it in svn for easy handling.. (maybe in rbutilqt/opensapi with a nice README from where its etc) |
21:09:46 | * | domonoky knows another improvement for the opensapi-server... version numbers :-) |
21:10:05 | notlistening | what are they :D |
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21:23:45 | snookums | hey i'm a little confused.. am i supposed to make my own music folder in whatever directory i choose in rockbox? |
21:24:32 | snookums | i'm reading this manual but i don't see if there is already a folder in there or if i just throw it wherever and build a database later |
21:24:40 | selectohh | snookums you can just make it wherever you want, as long as it's on the drive in general.. be sure to do "show all files" though or maybe you won't find it |
21:27:43 | snookums | oh ok. |
21:27:56 | snookums | i guess i'll be relying completely on tags then |
21:28:41 | GodEater | the only recommended place NOT to put your music is in the .rockbox folder |
21:28:45 | GodEater | anywhere else is fine. |
21:29:07 | snookums | oh.. lol i just started to put it in a folder in the .rockbox dir |
21:29:13 | selectohh | amiconn: sweet thanks for your reply earlier. you is right |
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21:31:16 | selectohh | one more question if i may: if i wanted to have rockbox automatically start a plugin on boot, where/how would i do such a thing? i'm a bit confused as to where the main "loop" of rockbox is |
21:31:47 | GodEater | selectohh: that functionality already exists in the source code (but is disabled by default) |
21:31:55 | GodEater | selectohh: have a hunt for autorock.rock |
21:32:45 | selectohh | GodEater: really! thanks. i will look. you guys are awesome thank you. |
21:33:21 | * | GodEater is wearing a T-Shirt which says "I am awesome" |
21:34:54 | * | selectohh is making people uncomfortable by overthanking |
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21:44:55 | Jaykay | i just unintentionally edited DesktopTools... i wanted to enter the site, and the login-dialog came up. i entered my name and pw, and then the site was shown. and now i see that i edited something... something with a attachement |
21:45:18 | Jaykay | gevaerts: could you check if anything is broken? |
21:46:46 | * | gevaerts wonders why he has been chosen |
21:48:00 | gevaerts | ah, I see. The same thing happened to me :) |
21:48:03 | Jaykay | because you edited the file before and maybe you know which pictures where on it |
21:48:20 | gevaerts | I suspect we need Zagor to find out what's going on |
21:50:31 | snookums | i think i have just one more question.. in both files and database mode, inside the folders, the songs are listed but as the file names, not the tag names.. is there any way to get it to list them as the song titles in the tags instead of the file names? |
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21:54:21 | snookums | i guess this is wps specific for each template |
21:54:51 | snookums | theme* |
21:56:04 | snookums | but tag names aren't displayed in the files or database viewer.. only in the wps |
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21:57:41 | domonoky | snookums: the filebrower will ofcourse display filenames, but the database should show content based on tags. |
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22:01:45 | webguest55 | was wondering if someone could help me with installation on a sansa 250v2 |
22:03:14 | snookums | oh ok.. now i see.. i thought it was displaying song numbers because of the file names themselves, but it automatically generates that from the tags |
22:03:37 | snookums | thanks for the answers :) |
22:03:46 | GodEater | in the database yes, not in the filebrowser |
22:03:59 | webguest55 | more precisely can i make my e250v2 a e250r |
22:04:32 | GodEater | webguest55: how is that a rockbox installation question ? |
22:04:48 | polobricolo | why isn't it possible to increase the sound volume in rockbox on the nano2G |
22:05:30 | snookums | yea thats exactly how i expected it to be in the file browser.. i was expecting the database to not have numbers in front of the song titles |
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22:05:39 | webguest55 | because i want rockbox on my player |
22:06:04 | GodEater | webguest55: what makes you think you need to convert your e200v2 into an e250r to get rockbox on it ? |
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22:06:51 | pixelma | gevaerts, or tomers: I now have a log from the USB prober on Mac OS 10.4. A first search for differences between barrywardell's log with his e200 on 10.5.8 shows only tiny differences (my c200: http://rockbox.pastebin.ca/1602298 - his: http://pastebin.com/m44ebc85d ) |
22:07:18 | webguest55 | i know that i dont but it wont read from my card |
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22:07:51 | webguest55 | i had a e250r and had to get it replaced and they sent me a e250v2 |
22:07:55 | GodEater | webguest55: well, first of all, it can't be done. The hardware in those two models are completely different. |
22:08:14 | webguest55 | welll gd |
22:08:17 | webguest55 | ok |
22:08:45 | webguest55 | rockbox isnt fully supported on my player |
22:08:50 | pixelma | gevaerts: I can mount the c200 in OF mode but it also seems to be a bit shaky (sometimes it only connects after a second try) - I even get two devices but couldn't try out the microSD slot as I only have an SDHC card with me |
22:09:08 | webguest55 | can i downgrade to a model that is fully supported? |
22:09:18 | GodEater | webguest55: no |
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22:09:36 | GodEater | webguest55: you have to go out and BUY a model that is supported. |
22:09:47 | webguest55 | i had one |
22:09:58 | webguest55 | untill it messed up |
22:10:14 | webguest55 | then they sent me a brandnew one that isnt |
22:10:20 | goffa | you tell the company that did the rma about it? |
22:10:23 | gevaerts | the e200v2 code should work reasonably well if I understand things correctly |
22:10:49 | webguest55 | ok well then maybe i didsomething wrong |
22:11:12 | webguest55 | the instructions were confusing to me |
22:12:28 | webguest55 | the main thing that aggravates me is that when i put my sd card in with rockbox it freezes and says *panic* |
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22:15:25 | snookums | i would call the company up and tell them you don't want that revision |
22:15:38 | snookums | they will most likely replace it |
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22:16:13 | webguest55 | ok |
22:16:29 | snookums | tell them its for a schizophrenic individual and everything has to be exactly the way it was before or they rip their hair out |
22:17:24 | snookums | they might think you are crazy, but who is going to take chances on a story like that? lol |
22:17:44 | funman | webguest55: even with a recent (downloaded today) current build ? |
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22:17:55 | webguest55 | yes |
22:18:04 | funman | what is the exact message ? |
22:18:20 | funman | and the exact revision of your build |
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22:19:39 | webguest55 | i just now downloaded the rockbox |
22:20:01 | GodEater | there is no "the" in rockbox ;) |
22:20:10 | webguest55 | i know that |
22:20:32 | GodEater | interesting that you typed it then |
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22:20:40 | funman | you can see the exact version in system -> rockbox infos |
22:20:47 | LambdaCalculus37 | TheSeven, linuxstb: Great work on the nano2g port so far! |
22:21:01 | funman | webguest55: if there are still bugs with microSD in current builds, your report might help |
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22:21:34 | funman | and if god exists, the e200v2 port will be stable before nano2g ! |
22:21:47 | * | GodEater will go buy a nano2g then |
22:21:54 | funman | :'( |
22:22:11 | webguest55 | well hang on now i cant get it to loaf rockbox it says file not found |
22:24:36 | webguest55 | i think im losing it |
22:25:12 | webguest55 | version r23000-091007 |
22:25:26 | * | bluebroth3r goes looking for a nano2g |
22:25:29 | webguest55 | it wont read my 4gb card |
22:25:54 | webguest55 | *panic* microsd init failed |
22:26:02 | webguest55 | : -3 |
22:26:08 | funman | thanks |
22:26:15 | LambdaCalculus37 | bluebroth3r: Audio playback, most plugins, and controls work, but the audio playback is still really buggy. |
22:26:20 | funman | does it happen when you boot with the microsd inserted? or when you boot and then insert it ? |
22:26:32 | LambdaCalculus37 | For example, if you play a track, then go to select another track from the file browser, the nano freezes. |
22:26:54 | webguest55 | boot then insert it |
22:27:05 | funman | webguest55: would you try a custom build to see if that makes any difference ? |
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22:27:22 | webguest55 | ya i would |
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22:28:50 | funman | webguest55: can you give me your mail so i can send it to you ? |
22:29:08 | webguest55 | nossracer@yahoo.com |
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22:29:18 | pixelma | not here though... |
22:29:33 | pixelma | I wanted to say... this channel is logged |
22:29:36 | funman | pixelma: freenode require registration for sending private messages |
22:30:01 | n1s | funman: yes but spambots are free to crawl our logs :) |
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22:30:06 | pixelma | funman: you can allow PM from unregisterd users |
22:30:17 | funman | pixelma: ah didn't know that |
22:30:20 | n1s | or obfuscate the ady |
22:30:22 | pixelma | it's a freenode setting |
22:30:24 | n1s | addy |
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22:32:18 | funman | webguest55: sent |
22:32:51 | webguest55 | yes and recieved does it matter that it is a .sansa |
22:33:35 | webguest55 | well now it reads it |
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22:33:50 | webguest55 | W00t |
22:34:05 | funman | cool |
22:35:00 | CIA-43 | New commit by funman (r23001): Sansa AMS SD: relax requirement for APP_CMD response, some uSD cards seem to not set correctly the response bits |
22:35:53 | webguest55 | wont play from sd though |
22:36:10 | funman | which sd card is it ? (exact model and class) |
22:38:02 | webguest55 | it is a sandisk 4gb microsd hc |
22:38:12 | funman | which class ? |
22:38:24 | webguest55 | ? |
22:38:27 | froggyman | could someone take a look at FS #10661 for me? |
22:38:41 | webguest55 | one minute i cant get it to load now |
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22:39:30 | webguest55 | how do i get the class |
22:39:43 | domonoky | froggyman: there is no patch ? :-) |
22:40:29 | * | Strife89 wonders who still holds interest in FS #8806. |
22:40:34 | froggyman | domonoky: whoops, forgot to upload, its probaly important isnt it? |
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22:40:51 | bluebrother | webguest55: there's usually a number printed in a circle somewhere on the card. That's the class. |
22:41:03 | LambdaCalculus37 | Strife89: I do, but I prefer it as a codec. |
22:41:10 | webguest55 | ahhhh yes its a 2 |
22:41:42 | Strife89 | LambdaCalculus37: It's gotten better as a codec, but there's still the hitch with .IT files at the moment. |
22:41:47 | webguest55 | funman how do i get ur rockbox to load? |
22:42:14 | funman | webguest55: i explained it in the email : unzip rockbox.sansa to the .rockbox/ folder on your player |
22:42:34 | froggyman | domonoky: there you go |
22:42:37 | webguest55 | ok |
22:43:08 | webguest55 | yes its there |
22:43:43 | mrtok1 | hi, someone here who can help me with debugging setup - first time on gdb embedded (remote?) |
22:43:55 | webguest55 | when i try to play a song from my card when it does read it it wont play and says that codec failure |
22:45:23 | funman | mrtok1: which target are you using ? |
22:45:32 | CIA-43 | New commit by tomers (r23002): HID: Remove mouse drag in iPod's keymap, in another attempt to resolve issue from r22991 (ipod4g got stuck in mouse mode) |
22:45:40 | funman | webguest55: try copying the song from the card to the player |
22:46:21 | webguest55 | it still wont play |
22:46:56 | funman | what kind of file is it ? |
22:47:20 | webguest55 | .mp3 |
22:47:38 | funman | webguest55: just download again the current build, it will have all the codecs and the fix I just committed after you tested it |
22:47:50 | LambdaCalculus37 | Strife89: I haven't got any .IT files to test on it at the moment. |
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22:48:01 | webguest55 | k brb |
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22:48:12 | LambdaCalculus37 | But most of my .MOD, .S3M, and .XM files work fine. |
22:48:17 | Strife89 | LambdaCalculus37: You do if you look at the last comment on the FlySpray page. ;) |
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22:48:53 | mrtok1 | funman: ipod-nano-1g |
22:49:06 | funman | mrtok1: i don't think you can use gdb together with rockbox on nano-1g |
22:49:14 | Strife89 | LambdaCalculus37: Most (not quite all) of my .MODs, .S3Ms, and .XMs work just fine. Some won't play at all, and some EAT the CPU. |
22:49:31 | mrtok1 | funman: ok - what else can be done to debug ? |
22:49:36 | Strife89 | Usually, though, they're the heavy ones. |
22:49:44 | funman | you can use rockbox' panicf() / logf() |
22:51:08 | pixelma | Strife89: not sure if it the very last version of the patch I tested but for me all MODs fail that are a bit too big for the codec buffer or so (and one that's failing in SVN too though) |
22:51:23 | mrtok1 | funman: mmmmh - no way? jtag ? |
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22:51:27 | n1s | can't software usb targets (such as the nano (1G)) do logf-over-usb, or have i dreamt that? |
22:51:34 | webguest55 | ahhh yes |
22:51:37 | funman | mrtok1: you can use jtag but you don't need rockbox support there |
22:51:38 | webguest55 | now it plays |
22:51:46 | webguest55 | from the card |
22:51:56 | funman | n1s: logf over usb should be possible with usb serial driver |
22:52:00 | funman | webguest55: nice! |
22:52:06 | FlynDice | funman: that APP_CMD you tweaked was what was hanging up voltage scaling in the card init, for me at least. No time now but I'll investigate tonight to see how things lie... |
22:52:09 | n1s | mrtok1: what bug are you chasing that makes you need jtag? |
22:52:32 | webguest55 | yes very thank you very much for your time and help |
22:52:32 | funman | webguest55: if you see other bugs we don't knwo about please tell. we know the LCD display can sometimes be corrupted, and that USB & recording do not work in rockbox |
22:52:53 | funman | FlynDice: oh ok, did you try to remove the check for the response bits ? |
22:53:00 | mrtok1 | n1s: code is a kind of custom eq |
22:53:05 | n1s | funman: do we have such a driver for the pp players? |
22:53:24 | funman | n1s: usb serial works at the same level than mass storage and HID so it should work |
22:53:28 | n1s | mrtok1: apps code can usually be debugged in the simulator with gdb |
22:53:34 | webguest55 | ok if i come across something i will let u know |
22:53:42 | FlynDice | funman:No, never got that far and moved on to other stuff... |
22:53:44 | n1s | funman: ah, good to know :) |
22:53:58 | funman | n1s: perhaps with appropriate headers tweaking however ;) |
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22:54:56 | froggyman | could someone please take a look at FS #10661 |
22:56:04 | LambdaCalculus37 | Strife89: Some eat the CPU? Do they put a little hot sauce on it first? ;) |
22:56:29 | webguest55 | thankyou for ur help funman |
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22:56:34 | mrtok1 | funman, n1s: thanks - give simulator a try.... |
22:56:38 | Strife89 | LambdaCalculus37: No, but they do make my battery level appear to drop to almost 0%. :) |
22:56:56 | Strife89 | LambdaCalculus37: Left to play for more than a couple of minutes, at least. |
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22:58:27 | n1s | froggyman: from a quick glance that patch seems to do a lot more than adding some levels |
22:59:03 | LambdaCalculus37 | Strife89: Which player is this on? |
22:59:14 | froggyman | n1s: well, I just added the levels, and did the svn diff |
22:59:23 | Strife89 | LambdaCalculus37: The iPod. |
22:59:44 | Strife89 | LambdaCalculus37: But I remember the CPU issue happening on the Sansa as well. |
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23:00:12 | n1s | froggyman: so the unrelated code changes appeard by themselves? |
23:00:27 | Strife89 | LambdaCalculus37: And the .IT issue, actually. |
23:01:07 | froggyman | n1s: ohh, and it adds a couple comments on the syntax of the arrays used for levels |
23:01:38 | froggyman | n1s: off course... |
23:01:48 | * | froggyman has no idea why that is |
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23:02:24 | Strife89 | LambdaCalculus37: The CPU problem only occurs with large, quite complicated tracker files; it's basically the MIDI player all over again. Virtually all my .MODs play without issue, but a few S3Ms get skipped entirely, and the occassional .XM stutters badly. |
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23:03:30 | n1s | froggyman: maybe you diffed from an older version or have other patches applied? |
23:05:39 | froggyman | n1s: no, its a clean respiratory, at r23003 |
23:06:00 | froggyman | errm r23002 |
23:08:17 | n1s | then *you* have made those changes! anyway it's concidered best to not include unrelated changes such as style and whitespace i a patch for somethign else, and also mention what the patch does, "This patch adds an additional 11 levels" does tell me what the additions to the levels struct are but not what all the changes to the code are meant to acomplish |
23:08:35 | snookums | hey is there a way to dual boot firmwares and have your choice as to whether rockbox or apple starts up? |
23:09:03 | Strife89 | snookums: Turn the iPod on, then quickly turn on the Hold switch. |
23:09:15 | Strife89 | snookums: Oh, wait. Misread the question. |
23:09:32 | snookums | i just discovered that my car cable isn't compatible with this |
23:10:25 | snookums | oh wait.. your answer works |
23:10:38 | snookums | if it will start up in apple's firmware thats all i need |
23:11:15 | Strife89 | snookums: If you plug a turned-off iPod in while the Hold switch is already on, that will also work. |
23:11:44 | snookums | sweet thanks |
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23:18:28 | froggyman | n1s: hmm... I really dont know what those other changes did, or how they got there. I updated FS #10661 to get rid of the irrelevant code changes so it updates only the levels and 2 other places in the code to allow for those levels |
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23:23:06 | n1s | froggyman: looks much better, bedtime for me though, if noone has commited it tomorrow night, i'll do it then, just remid me ;) |
23:23:35 | LambdaCalculus37 | Strife89: My beast has no issues playing S3M or XM. :) |
23:23:58 | froggyman | n1s: ok thanks |
23:24:54 | Strife89 | LambdaCalculus37: Your Beast must have one, then. ;) |
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23:25:32 | ED_209 | are there many/any worthwhile patches or plugins that aren't included in 3.4 ? |
23:26:15 | Strife89 | ED_209: That partially depends on what you're most interested in. |
23:26:34 | ED_209 | I'm looking for a way to have a type of voice modulator that uses the mic and outputs to either the line out or the headphones out |
23:26:36 | Strife89 | ED_209: Sounds like a duh statement, but think about it. |
23:26:47 | evilnick | Well, it totally depends on what you're interested in, and what player you have, I'd say. |
23:27:19 | ED_209 | iriver h300 |
23:28:56 | ED_209 | I want a kind of voice scrambler/modulator that can route into my phone for "scary" phonecalls to mess with friends |
23:30:54 | ED_209 | the iriver has a mic and a line out, I was wondering if there's anything out there that can mimic the hardware voice changers you can get |
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23:32:56 | ED_209 | I have a hardware voice changer except it doesn't work with my cell because there's no way to isolate the mic, since it's under the keypad, but if the iriver could do that in realtime I could just make a cable to plug into my phone |
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23:34:10 | froggyman | someone want to check out FS #10661 |
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23:38:19 | ED_209 | so I'm guessing there isn't one |
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23:38:43 | froggyman | ED_209: I dont think so |
23:39:29 | ED_209 | I opened this voice changer up and it's got a palsy amount of components in it, how hard would it be to translate that into something the iriver could use? |
23:40:10 | JdGordon1 | can you code? |
23:40:39 | froggyman | yes |
23:41:09 | ED_209 | that wasn't my answer :/ |
23:43:32 | ED_209 | is there a realtime pitch bender or something? |
23:44:32 | markun | I don't think so |
23:44:34 | froggyman | ED_209: there is a realtime pitch adjuster |
23:44:43 | markun | ah yes, that |
23:45:15 | ED_209 | flyspray has heaps of unfinished or impossible things, I would have thought a NES emulator wasn't that hard with a coldfire processor, but that seems to have been abandoned a year or more ago |
23:46:27 | froggyman | ED_209: you will find that a lot with flysprays... although some of those will still patch and compile for rockbox |
23:46:35 | ED_209 | and the rockboy thing never worked properly. I noticed that the iriver is constantly overclocking the processor by a certain percentage depending on what kind of file it's playing... why are there no game platform emulators that work? |
23:46:56 | ED_209 | like surely an atari 2600 would have been done by now? |
23:47:07 | domonoky1 | ED_209: its probably not because its too hard, but that there is no one interested in it at moment.. |
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23:47:51 | ED_209 | there must be a certain 'community' for the h300 though, because it does so many things that modern players still don't |
23:48:17 | domonoky1 | rockboy works pretty good on irivers for some games. and we are not overclocking the h300.... |
23:48:28 | ED_209 | line in, line out, headphones out, mic in, radio, fairly decent processor, colour screen, etc |
23:48:35 | froggyman | ED_209: and also keep in mind that this a *volunteer* project, people code stuff for it because they *want* to, its all done on there own free time. If no coders/developers are interested in a feature like a emulator no work is going to be done on it |
23:49:11 | ED_209 | I would have thought emulators would be one of the most requested things |
23:49:17 | domonoky1 | ED_209: if you want such things, then start by helping out.. if all people just complain, nothing gets done. |
23:49:58 | ED_209 | I wouldn't be here asking if I could do something about it, since I don't know how to code in anything but basic. |
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23:50:12 | domonoky1 | ED_209: its not about requests, its all about what the people coding it are interested in. |
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23:51:20 | ED_209 | I realise that now, but I was initially just asking if something was out there floating around that wasn't put into the official release |
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23:51:31 | froggyman | ED_209: rockbox was designed for the playing of music, things like games and viewers are just extras |
23:51:47 | ED_209 | kickass extras! |
23:52:58 | ED_209 | probably half the reason I use rockbox instead of the reasonably decent h300 firmware |
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