#rockbox 2009-10-08

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#rockbox log for 2009-10-08

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00:10:34	roolku	gevaerts: b23-b41 (apart from b38) are identical software wise
00:11:10	roolku	gevaerts: I have disabled b38 until I can reinstall it
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00:34:33	notlistening	Big drawn back for VI users on the Sansa V2's
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00:34:52	notlistening	The Database update is very confusing if unknown
00:35:33	notlistening	what processes is being recommended in the manual?
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00:41:35	froggyman	someone want to give FS #10661 a look at?
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00:42:08	LambdaCalculus37	froggyman: Can you please stop asking that repeatedly? Someone will get to it when they get to it.
00:43:08	froggyman	LambdaCalculus37: ok, sorry
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00:52:10	stebbi92	hello
00:52:22	stebbi92	i need help with rockbox on my 30GB iPod video
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00:53:55	froggyman	stebbi92: what exactly do you need help with?
00:54:36	stebbi92	I can't create a database, it drains my battery at an incredible rate even when it's plugged in, and then it freezes sometimes, it's gone through twice, told me to reboot, then started the whole thing again
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00:55:43	froggyman	try deleting the .rockbox directory on it and reloading the current build: http://build.rockbox.org/
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00:56:18	stebbi92	alright, but i reinstalled .rockbox + bootloader just a few min ago
00:56:26	stebbi92	after deleting the folder too
00:56:32	stebbi92	i'll try the manual
00:56:40	stebbi92	manual installation that is :)
00:56:40	froggyman	ohh
00:57:06	stebbi92	i used the auto-installer thing
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00:58:15	clefurgey	Hi, everyone. I'm a total newby to rockbox, just installed it today. I have a sandisc sansa e280V2. Also, I'm totally blind. Anyway, I just added a ton of music to my player by holding down the left button as I plugged in the cord, then copy/pasting to the music folder. I've ejected and unpluged, and have been waiting a few minutes, but can't seem to power on my player.
00:58:26	froggyman	sounds good, you might want to try fully charging the iPod's battery, as support for charging through rockbox is rather buggy and doesnt always work like it should
00:59:05	stebbi92	alright, i used the debug battery tool to look at my battery draining, but it shuts down at zero, although it seems to recharge without being plugged in according to rockbox
00:59:17	stebbi92	it just can't stay on long enough
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00:59:40	froggyman	stebbi92: try charging it through the OF, I prefer to use diskmode
00:59:51	stebbi92	k
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01:00:26	stebbi92	"Yet another possibility is to convert the iTunesDB to a the Rockbox database format, see Convert iTunesDB to Rockbox database for more information. " i also tried that
01:01:25	stebbi92	what button is it again to enter diskmode?
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01:01:57	froggyman	after you see the "apple logo" you then press center + play/pause
01:02:09	stebbi92	alright
01:02:29	stebbi92	but why doesn't the database load properly after it tells me to reboot?
01:04:17	froggyman	stebbi92: that could possibly be a disk corruption, try running a check disk program (like chkdsk if you are on windows)
01:04:24	stebbi92	alright
01:04:42	stebbi92	i'm also gonna clear up some space
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01:06:06	clefurgey	If I hold down the power button on my player for ten seconds then reboot, things talk, but I can't see any of my files. I'm still waiting, someone told me the sansa likes to scan the music you add?
01:07:14	stebbi92	chkdsk running and 1.5 GB cleared up
01:09:04	stebbi92	"Windows found errors on the disk but will not fix them"
01:09:16	stebbi92	"Convert lost chains to files Y/N"
01:09:31	stebbi92	i'll try running it with /F
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01:12:52	stebbi92	"Convert lost chains to files Y/N" what does that mean??
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01:14:03	stripwax	stebbi92 - that's a bit off topic here, it's a question about chkdsk, rather than a question about rockbox. I think it means that the filesystem has some clusters that look like they're used but aren't linked to a filename, so chkdsk will go create a fake filename just to recover them for you.
01:14:21	stripwax	but the resulting file will probably be garbage / unusable
01:14:51	stripwax	stebbi92 - when you said you "reboot", did you cleanly shut down and restart, or did you do a 'hard' reboot?
01:15:07	stebbi92	cleanly shut down rockbox
01:15:27	stebbi92	as in "long play" hold
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01:16:22	stripwax	ok. just had to check! because that could otherwise cause filesystem corruption. (did it really prompt you "to reboot"? If so, we should reword that, in my opinion)
01:16:49	stripwax	as for the 'charging while not plugged in', that's because the battery readings are inaccurate for the first few minutes after starting up
01:17:05	stebbi92	yeah, it said "reboot to activate" or something alike, but it did have the word "reboot" in it :P
01:17:24	stripwax	yuk
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01:19:39	stebbi92	wait, this is good
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01:19:56	stebbi92	now my hard drive isn't spinning like a motherf*****
01:20:14	stebbi92	and my battery seems to be quite stable while building the database
01:21:35	stebbi92	it seems my HD was corrupted after something, seems to be working now, just waiting for the database to be constructed
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01:22:03	stebbi92	and by the way, are you familiar with the bug where the iPod doesn't shut down when you hold the play button until you play a song?
01:22:05	froggyman	stebbi92: :)
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01:24:15	clefurgey	does anyone know how long I should have to wait before being able to power up my e280V2 after adding aprox 100 or more songs?
01:24:33	stebbi92	wait, now my iPod "ran out of battery" even though it's fully charged, and now my HD is acting loud again :O
01:25:11	stebbi92	is there any way to do this via PC?
01:26:57	stebbi92	i've got to go now, i'll check this out later, thanks for your help guys
01:27:04	stebbi92	might just be my iPod's battery going bad
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01:27:25	JdGordon	clefurgey: why are you waiting at all?
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01:28:40	clefurgey	um, because I was told to? I'm clueless about this sort of thing, so forgive the dumb questions haha.
01:30:50	clefurgey	The person who helped me with the install said that if you add a load of music to the player, the database likes to scan it, and that it could take up to five mins. Well i've been waiting way longer than that, with no luck.
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01:36:20	clefurgey	If I hold down power for ten seconds I can get rockbox talking, but can't seem to see my files? I dunno.
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02:02:31	clefurgey	I have another weird issue. According to the free space thing in rockbox, I have less space than when I started, so the files have to be there somewhere. what am I doing wrong?
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02:04:45	JdGordon	set the "show files" setting in the quickscreen to "all"
02:05:02	JdGordon	the music folder gets the hidden flag so it isnt shown in the default files browser
02:05:30	clefurgey	ok, let me try that.
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02:08:59	clefurgey	all i see are file 1, file 2, etc. and if I hit select on them nothing happens.
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02:15:56	CIA-43	New commit by kkurbjun (r23003): Brickmania: Fix the paddle drawing - The strides were wrong with paddles other than the standard one.
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02:21:54	kkurbjun	pixelma: the paddle drawing should be fixed now
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02:35:16	CIA-43	New commit by kkurbjun (r23004): Brickmania: Paddle selection needs to be done with the integer portion, not in fixed point.
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04:33:23	snookums	loving this Rockbox.. its so nice
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05:56:40	CIA-43	New commit by kkurbjun (r23005): LCD scrolling routines: Fix the screen scrolling boundary with Vertical Strides.
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07:54:17	pixelma	gevaerts: about the two USB prober logs: the only differences I could see were really tiny ones in the hmm... bit fields (? hope that's what the part in hex is called) but I don't know if it means something especially since those were two different devices. I could try with an HID disabled build but not today. Finally, maybe it's worth researching whether there are any known bugs in MacOS 10.4 because when I googled USB prober I found some threads
07:54:17	pixelma	where people had trouble connecting some other USB mass storage devices
07:55:10	pixelma	seeing that original firmware and Rockbox USB without HID manage to connect
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09:16:18	Bob_C	pixelma: there is (or was) an issue in MacOs supporting composite USB devices, maybe same problem?
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10:06:07	gevaerts	Bob_C: do you happen to have a link to more information about that?
10:08:58	Bob_C	The most recent statement I can find is http://lists.apple.com/archives/Usb/2009/Apr/msg00003.html . IAD is the "new" USB multi-function spec
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10:35:52	Zagor	there are a lot more rockbox-able players available for sale than I thought
10:37:14	clefurgey	If anyone's around, can you confirm that to put music on the e280v2, all you do is plug the player in and copy/paste? for some reason my player comes up in mtp mode when I just plug it in without pressing anything. Is this normal?
10:38:47	clefurgey	zagor: oh? where are you located? Granted I haven't looked around, but it'd be nice to know in case my sansa ever dies.
10:39:45	Zagor	clefurgey: I'm just looking on the net. amazon is a good place to start. c200 and e200, huge amounts of old ipods etc.
10:40:15	Zagor	clefurgey: I think there's a MTP/UMS setting in the original firmware
10:40:40	clefurgey	zagor: oh, I thought you meant like in stores and such. Thanks for the info though.
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10:41:21	Zagor	yeah these are new and refurbished. I'm not counting used ones.
10:41:45	Zagor	I'm in sweden. we don't go out unless we have to ;-)
10:42:32	clefurgey	I love rockbox so far, except for the music issues i'm having.
10:43:14	Bob_C	I'd like to get a cheap Gigabeat F if you see one
10:45:13	clefurgey	ah, that's cool, i'm in Canada.
10:46:03	gevaerts	Zagor: http://www.rockbox.org/irc/log-20091007#21:44:55
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10:48:26	Zagor	Bob_C: both F40 and F10 are available on amazon. cheap is a matter of definition :-)
10:48:29	clefurgey	Is anyone using rockbox on a sansa e280v2?
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12:23:37	Ypsy	Does somebody know how I can remove those default folders on the fuze (the ones delivered with fuze AND the ones rockbox provides)?
12:26:22	linuxstb	I've no idea about what folders the Fuze's original firmware uses, but what Rockbox folders do you want to remove?
12:33:01	GodEater	we only "provide" one don't we? And that's required because that's where Rockbox is installed to....
12:38:20	Ypsy	No if I'm opening the "Files" tab theres one called ##Music# and one called ##Port#
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12:42:24	GodEater	Ypsy: neither of which are Rockbox folders.
12:42:31	Ypsy	hmm ok
12:42:34	Ypsy	weird
12:42:38	Ypsy	ty :)
12:43:03	GodEater	And removing them is as simple as deleting them with rockbox.
12:43:16	GodEater	the problem you will have is that when you return to the Original Firmware for USB, it will recreate them.
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13:33:19	PyroBor	You people still didn't find time to upload source tarball of rockbox utility for version 1.2.3 to the download server?
13:35:00	markun	PyroBor: I have no idea who was supposed to do that.
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13:41:19	krazykit	PyroBor, the source is easily available from the subversion repository, too
13:44:09	PyroBor	and also bluebrother made a tarball that is located http://www.alice-dsl.net/dominik.riebeling/rockbox/rbutil-1.2.3.tar.bz2, but i am making spell (somthing like ebuild is for gentoo) update for SMGL and I think is a bit pointless to change download URL just for one version.
13:45:18	PyroBor	He also asked Badger to upload it but he is on vacation it seems. (I was here few days back)
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13:52:05	enthdegree	What's the best implementation of rockbox on a device so far?
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13:57:27	janne_oksanen	do you mean what is the best device to run Rockbox on?
13:59:11	enthdegree	Yes. c200vI seems appealing to me because of its form factor, but how stable/functional is it?
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14:00:50	Strife89	The c200 port is in quite a good state at the moment.
14:00:59	Strife89	I should know; I own one. :)
14:01:19	enthdegree	lol. Can you play video on it ok?
14:01:43	Strife89	enthdegree: It'll play, but the screen is so friggin' small that it's not a very enjoyable experience.
14:02:02	Strife89	enthdegree: Not to mention the low-ish resolution (132x80).
14:02:07	enthdegree	lol, I thought so.
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14:02:35	enthdegree	still quite impressive that you can do that much with something that costs 20-30 bucks on ebay.
14:03:05	Strife89	enthdegree: For music playback and brief rounds of Jewels, Rockblox, and so on, it's a very good device overall. :)
14:03:05	janne_oksanen	how much disk space is on that?
14:03:17	Strife89	janne_oksanen: The c250 comes with 2 GB.
14:03:23	janne_oksanen	nice
14:03:26	Strife89	However, you can add USD cards.
14:03:36	Strife89	s/USD/microSD
14:03:47	janne_oksanen	µSD
14:04:03	Strife89	I can't type the micro symbol quickly. :)
14:04:28	janne_oksanen	it's alt gr. + m for me on the Finnish layout
14:04:36	enthdegree	oh also, does the text viewer work well? Was planning on putting a folder-nested bible on it, but if its no good I might sleep on it. :P
14:05:03	Strife89	enthdegree: Yeah, the text viewer's actually pretty usable on the c200. :)
14:05:30	Strife89	janne_oksanen: I have an American English keyboard. :)
14:05:59	janne_oksanen	that one doesn't even have the alt gr key
14:06:02	janne_oksanen	does it?
14:06:10	Strife89	I have been using an 8GB uSD on my c250. Get a 16 GB one if you have the money; if your habits are anything like mine, you'll need it.
14:06:13	Strife89	janne_oksanen: No.
14:06:23	Strife89	janne_oksanen: Just two plain Alt keys.
14:06:29	enthdegree	I'm just listening to 600mb of podcasts.lol
14:07:07	enthdegree	oh, and most importantly how well does doom and the gameboy emulator work? ('
14:07:12	enthdegree	(;
14:07:40	Strife89	enthdegree: Doom is decently playable, but again, mind the small screen. :)
14:07:57	enthdegree	hahah that's kind of the achilles heel of this, isn't it.
14:07:59	Strife89	enthdegree: You may consider remapping the keys to assist playability.
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14:08:30	Strife89	enthdegree: Also, playing the Gameboy emulator is a YMMV situation.
14:08:30	enthdegree	pshaw, I don't own any gameboy roms anyway.
14:09:05	enthdegree	Ok. Thanks for the heads up. ;D
14:09:13	Strife89	enthdegree: Games with lots of required text may be difficult to play if you haven't memorized it beforehand, for example.
14:09:44	Strife89	enthdegree: Also, you'd probably want to turn off sound and bump frameskip up to 2 or 3.
14:09:57	enthdegree	"...But the princess is in another castle" "Thank you mario!" Shouldn't be too bad.
14:10:19	Strife89	enthdegree: Super Mario Bros. Deluxe actually isn't too bad on it. :)
14:10:25	enthdegree	nice.
14:10:32	Strife89	enthdegree: Again, it helps to remap the buttons, though.
14:11:02	Strife89	I put B on Vol. Up and A on Rec., for example.
14:11:19	Strife89	Normally A is on Select, and B is on Rec.
14:11:43	enthdegree	Ok. This thing can be remapped for left-handers too, right? I think I saw a thread on that a while back...
14:12:16	Strife89	enthdegree: Yes, there's an option to invert the screen.
14:12:23	enthdegree	grood.
14:12:54	Strife89	I had gotten used to using it right-handedly, though, as I used the OF for about 3 months before I discovered Rockbox. :)
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14:13:39	enthdegree	Ok, great. {c:
14:13:48	enthdegree	Is there anything else I should know?
14:13:51	enthdegree	:P
14:14:05	Strife89	Hmmm.
14:14:09	Strife89	Lemme think.
14:14:47	Strife89	Recording quality is decent for voice material, if you decide to use that feature.
14:14:53	enthdegree	Oh: Does it still use MTP? I need this thing to synch with songbird or at least rythmbox.
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14:15:22	enthdegree	Or does it just look like a mass storage device?
14:15:36	Strife89	enthdegree: The c200v1 OF does have an MTP option (some ONLY have that option, and you'll have to downgrade to OF).
14:15:59	Strife89	enthdegree: Rockbox itself does not (yet) support MTP.
14:16:11	Strife89	enthdegree: As far as I'm aware, at least.
14:16:36	Strife89	enthdegree: And MTP in the OF is useless to you, as Rockbox won't be able to see the music.
14:17:11	enthdegree	Ok, rats.
14:17:19	Strife89	enthdegree: I seem to remember a patch for MTP support, though.
14:17:27	linuxstb	Strife89: It won't? Where does it put the files then?
14:18:07	Strife89	linuxstb: The OF seems to encrypt and rename the files when using MTP.
14:18:23	markun	reminds me of the gigabeat OF..
14:18:24	enthdegree	???!?
14:18:29	Strife89	linuxstb: Rename = extension as well.
14:18:53	linuxstb	Then you don't want to use MTP...
14:19:13	Strife89	linuxstb, enthdegree: Not with the OF, anyway.
14:19:39	Strife89	enthdegree: Just stick with MSC until when (and if) Rockbox supports it.
14:20:08	Strife89	enthdegree: I imagine you may be able to sync anyway, if you just specify the desired folder.
14:21:36	enthdegree	Oh ok, thats fine then.
14:22:07	Strife89	enthdegree: Incidentally, you may find something here that helps you. http://www.rockbox.org/wiki/UsefulTools
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14:23:34	enthdegree	Great,thanks.
14:24:04	enthdegree	Well, thanks for all of your help! I really appreciate it. :D
14:24:28	Strife89	enthdegree: No problem. :)
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14:58:33	linuxstb	pixelma: Are they actually encrypted, or just renamed?
14:59:45	pixelma	I think they are just renamed, I actually liked one of the example songs that came with it and searched for it. As far as I remember once I found it I only copied it, I did not use WMP to get it off
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19:16:17	TheSeven	booting it up through ibugger is possible, and i have a patch that will run a bootloader build inside ibugger
19:16:30	TheSeven	an app build won't be able to run inside ibugger as it needs IRAM
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20:34:19	TheSeven	linuxstb: shouldn't require any interrupts
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20:34:40	TheSeven	and i would expect the crypto one to be masked , so it shouldn't hurt
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20:34:46	TheSeven	did you open the crypto clock gate?
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20:35:02	TheSeven	this isn't contained in cryptfirmware, as ibugger already opens all of them
20:35:09	TheSeven	see iloader for details, it's properly handled there
20:35:32	linuxstb	TheSeven: Yes, I had just noticed that before you replied - I've added that and am rebuilding now...
20:36:09	linuxstb	Can I just check that the "size" parameter to your encrypt/decrypt functions should be the size in bytes? Or is it the size in (4-byte) words ?
20:36:37	TheSeven	don't ask me :-) but i would expect bytes
20:36:45	*	TheSeven has a look at that code himself
20:37:05	Lear	Just tried RbUtil autodetect on Vista x64. Didn't work at all. It crashed, I think...
20:38:28	TheSeven	linuxstb: looks like you made me spot a bug
20:38:37	TheSeven	my code expects it to be bytes, and in fact it seems to be words
20:38:50	linuxstb	TheSeven: That's what was confusing me...
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20:39:11	*	linuxstb is used to these kinds of functions taking char arrays, and is confused by int arrays
20:40:02	TheSeven	linuxstb: it's worse. i already fixed aes_decrypt (bytes) and aes_encrypt was still using words
20:40:40	TheSeven	int arrays are lots faster for the cbc
20:40:59	TheSeven	but that they're using int arrays internally shouldn't be exposed to the user
20:41:18	linuxstb	Yes, I'm not saying you shouldn't use them, just that I'm personally not used to seeing them used...
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20:41:32	*	TheSeven is about to have a look at how to properly power off that thing now
20:41:56	linuxstb	"that thing" = "nano2g" ?
20:42:00	TheSeven	yep
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20:42:20	TheSeven	well, i know how to forcibly shut off power, but the LCD doesn't really like that
20:42:47	TheSeven	what also needs to be fixed soon is the clickwheel being not (properly?) re-initialized when releasing the hold switch
20:43:08	linuxstb	Reinitializing the clickwheel when releasing the hold switch... ;)
20:43:14	linuxstb	It's already done for CPU_PP
20:44:20	TheSeven	btw, what is the "power off" function in rockbox supposed to do? suspend to RAM, or really power off?
20:44:26	linuxstb	Really power off.
20:44:38	TheSeven	how can the user suspend it?
20:44:43	linuxstb	They can't.
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20:45:10	TheSeven	so you'll always need to reboot rockbox afterwards... not very cool.
20:45:28	Lear	He, just bought another e200. Assumed it would be a v2, but it wasn't... :)
20:45:32	linuxstb	That's why we want very fast boot times...
20:45:43	linuxstb	(and bootloaders that don't get in the way).
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20:46:06	TheSeven	what's preventing suspend2ram? (i.e. the way apple is doing it?)
20:47:12	linuxstb	I think amiconn has thought about that problem - he did the port to the (original) 1st/2nd gen ipods, which can't physically be powered off. So Rockbox needs to have some kind of sleep mode there. But it hasn't been done yet.
20:47:40	linuxstb	I think the issue is what happens when you wake up.
20:48:35	n1s	isn't it like everything else, just that noone's done it yet?
20:49:19	*	linuxstb stops speculating and waits for amiconn to comment
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20:50:35	kugel	n1s' guess seems like a safe bet ;)
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20:50:55	linuxstb	Yes, but why has no-one done it yet?
20:51:31	kugel	lack of time, interest, knowledge...as usual
20:51:36	n1s	because it's probably a lot of work just to save a few seconds on every boot
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20:52:01	*	kugel doesn't think it would be very worthwhile on the targets he uses
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20:52:14	kugel	maybe on the yh925
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20:52:36	*	TheSeven thinks of just jumping to the crt0 entry point after waking to get things in place again
20:52:47	TheSeven	so you would only have the rockbox boot process, not the apple one
20:52:49	pixelma	n1s: on the 1st and 2nd gen Ipods it's not a matter of boot time though
20:53:02	linuxstb	TheSeven: Pre-initialised data would be wrong then.
20:53:04	pixelma	not only
20:53:05	n1s	sure it's a cool feature, but i don't think it brings much (except for the early ipods that can't be turned off of course)
20:53:33	TheSeven	linuxstb: well, that should be fixable relatively easy (at least at the expense of some RAM)
20:53:49	n1s	pixelma: yeah, but those suffer from mthe fact that almost no devs have them
20:54:00	linuxstb	TheSeven: You mean permanently store a copy of that segment?
20:54:19	TheSeven	yes, and handle it like the intvects
20:55:07	TheSeven	i think that should only be some few KB, which won't really hurt a 32MB target
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20:55:42	kugel	TheSeven: if you do it that way, you can just rolo rockbox.ipod I think
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20:55:59	linuxstb	kugel: That would mean re-initialising the ata/fat/etc drivers.
20:56:26	kugel	linuxstb: that's going to happen with jumping to the crt0 entry point too
20:56:38	kugel	that's points to main(), which does all the initialising
20:56:57	TheSeven	kugel: and relies on .rwdata being correct
20:58:20	kugel	closing all threads and tick tasks (except a wake-up one), and adding a giant sleep in root_menu() should do it, shouldn't it?
20:58:31	*	TheSeven just spotted that diagflsh sub_8008A7C is shutting down the LCD
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20:59:05	TheSeven	kugel: depends on what kind of hardware will lose it's state during this
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20:59:53	kugel	the hardware would be shut off
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21:00:09	kugel	(except cpu and ram, that is)
21:01:10	*	kugel thinks rolo'ing rockbox.* would be the easiest way for waking up (almost) properly
21:01:59	linuxstb	TheSeven: Is anything else needed apart from PWRCONEXT &= ~0x400 ? It still seems to freeze..
21:04:24	linuxstb	TheSeven: Sorry, ignore that. Seems I hadn't recompiled it... It's now doing something.
21:04:55	CIA-43	New commit by kugel (r23010): Use TIME_BEFORE() and redo a macro slightly.
21:09:52	kugel	http://pastie.org/647325 looks....strange! (from chopper)
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21:13:42	TheSeven	kugel: i would expect most things on the SOC to keep state, not just the CPU
21:13:52	kugel	why?
21:14:24	TheSeven	as far as i can tell, most of the power supplies stay on, and just the clocks are killed
21:14:28	kugel	well, turn as much of as we're able to
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21:17:07	TheSeven	linuxstb: you're having the bad LCD again. shutting down mine is 4 commands, yours is 30
21:17:19	linuxstb	;)
21:18:13	CIA-43	New commit by kugel (r23011): Fix chopper to actually remember the level. instead of overriding it on start.
21:20:50	kugel	linuxstb: can the commands in the nano2g driver which set the gram adress and stuff be combined in some lcd_window function?
21:21:27	linuxstb	kugel: Yes, I thought of that, but haven't got round to it.
21:21:48	pixelma	is the 2nd gen nano's display as nicely readable without backlight as the first gen's?
21:22:33	kugel	linuxstb: just slightly annoyed me to see the same set of commands duplicated :)
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21:22:52	kugel	the args in lcd_update() look a bit special though
21:23:21	linuxstb	pixelma: I wouldn't say nicely, but it's readable. It seems similar to the Color/Photo and Video - I haven't seen a 1st gen nano.
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21:25:50	pixelma	hmm... my impression of the Photo was that it's not as nice as the Video which I compared to my impression of the Nano (the latter two just seen occasionally each - at DevCon 2007 and when amiconn had Linus' Video, so from memory)
21:26:09	CIA-43	New commit by nls (r23012): FS #10661 by Seth Opgenorth, adding more levels to brickmania
21:29:07	n1s	hmm, forgot to mention that i had to reflow the long comment to fit the 80 chars limit
21:34:47	TheSeven	pixelma: that highly depends on ambient light and the colors used on the lcd
21:35:15	TheSeven	white-on-black is barely readable, while black-on-white is quite easy, as usual
21:35:35	pixelma	what?
21:36:04	TheSeven	so powering the backlight on if a panic happens shouldn't be really neccessary
21:37:34	pixelma	sorry, I read that wrong
21:41:07	kugel	TheSeven: does it do that right now?
21:41:24	*	kugel thinks the samsas don't do that for some reason
21:41:42	TheSeven	yep, it does
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21:41:52	kugel	the fuze's screen isn't readable at all, so is the e200's
21:42:17	*	pixelma slaps kugel for keeping that stupid non-typoed typo
21:42:40	kugel	originally it was a typo actually
21:43:39	*	linuxstb also thinks it should have stayed that way
21:43:40	pixelma	I know but it could easily lead to misunderstandings if someone things it is a typo now...
21:44:16	kugel	can we abandon "beast" too then?
21:45:04	kugel	either we like abbreviating ports, or we don't
21:46:14	pixelma	well what other targets fit there? Samsa could easily be read as Sansa (all Sansas in general) while I wouldn't know what beast could be read as. I wouldn't be opposed to abandon it too
21:46:32	pixelma	though
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21:46:42	TheSeven	what about sAMSa?
21:47:17	kugel	TheSeven: I see target specific no code for turning the backlight on, so I guess I didn't remember correctly
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21:47:57	kugel	I see no target specific code*
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21:50:38	froggyman	n1s: ping
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21:51:16	pixelma	TheSeven: would be a bit better but it still sounds (and looks) silly to me (while "beast" is a usual English word sAMSa isn't)
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21:53:15	n1s	froggyman: yo called?
21:53:18	n1s	you
21:54:05	TheSeven	in fact it took me minutes to figure out what samsa meant the first time i noticed it isn't a typo
21:54:19	froggyman	n1s: yesterday you told be to remind you about FS #10661
21:54:35	TheSeven	froggyman: he already committed it
21:54:58	froggyman	TheSeven: ohh... didnt see that
21:55:36	*	froggyman looks at the main page and sees his name right there
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22:03:52	kugel	pixelma: being an actual word makes beast worse imo
22:06:18	bluebroth3r	what's bad about the beast? It actually is a beast, in various aspects :)
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22:06:50	kugel	froggyman: http://plugbox.rockbox-lounge.de/brickmania.htm doesn't seem to exist (but http://plugbox.rockbox-lounge.com/brickmania.htm does)
22:09:08	*	froggyman copied the link out of his URL bar
22:09:24	froggyman	kugel: hmm... that should probably be changed
22:10:05	CIA-43	New commit by bluebrother (r23013): Don't warn if the archive has to be created.
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22:19:59	Horscht	RockContacts...
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22:24:23	Horscht	heh, I just noticed this on the calendar plugin: when you view a day with it's events, it says "Events (play: menu)"
22:24:37	Horscht	but that's wrong, on the ipod video, select brings up the menu
22:27:01	bluebrother	rasher: I was thinking about FS #9233. What do you think about this: http://pastebin.ca/1605059 ?
22:28:36	rasher	bluebrother: If that works as expected (use system libspeex except if none exists, or if building staticly), it sounds like a nice and simple solution
22:28:46	rasher	Mine certainly wasn't
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22:33:01	bluebrother	well, as far as I could try it it works nicely. Need to adjust rbutil for that too, though.
22:33:14	*	bluebrother goes trying on windows but doesn't expect anything special
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22:39:07	bluebrother	the only thing that is a bit annoying is the "make: pkg-config: Command not found" warning on windows. Building works fine though.
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22:56:54	CIA-43	New commit by theseven (r23014): Implemented iPod Nano 2G power_off()
22:58:31	TheSeven	linuxstb: can you have a quick look if your LCD powers down correctly with that?
22:58:55	TheSeven	I can't see what one could do wrong there, but let's better double-check that
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23:02:15	linuxstb	TheSeven: Sure, compiling now.
23:02:54	linuxstb	TheSeven: BTW, your commits are adding more warnings...
23:03:10	TheSeven	oops, where?
23:03:21	TheSeven	i didn't get any while recompiling my changes
23:03:57	TheSeven	ok, I see what you mean
23:04:09	linuxstb	I get warnings in your RTC code, and this commit gives a warning about an implicit declaration of 'lcd_off being
23:04:16	linuxstb	s/being//
23:04:32	*	TheSeven wonders where this is declared explicitly
23:04:48	linuxstb	All looks good to me.
23:04:53	linuxstb	Probably lcd.h
23:05:00	TheSeven	nope, that's what I included
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23:05:44	linuxstb	I'm not sure lcd_off is the correct name though.
23:05:53	TheSeven	there was a stub with that name...
23:06:03	TheSeven	but that #ifdef HAVE_REMOTE_LCD_AS_MAIN has confused me now
23:06:23	linuxstb	Yes, it looks like that function is for something else.
23:06:45	TheSeven	so it's rather lcd_poweroff? but that is in the same ifdef?
23:07:23	TheSeven	how deep is lcd_sleep()?
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23:07:48	linuxstb	Likely candidates are lcd_enable(), lcd_sleep() or lcd_shutdown()...
23:08:51	kugel	can we use shifts to multiply signed ints by 2^x ß
23:09:31	kugel	iiuc, shifts are a bit questionable on signed, as not all hardware might not have arithmetic shift instructions
23:09:45	TheSeven	lcd_shutdown() is only existant for the other ipod targets
23:10:28	kugel	since some hardware might lack arithmetic shift instructions*
23:10:29	TheSeven	kugel: as long as you shift left, logical shift = arithmetic shift
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23:11:04	kugel	TheSeven: only if the number non-negative
23:11:10	TheSeven	why?
23:11:19	TheSeven	2's complement is doing the trick again...
23:11:22	kugel	the sign bit
23:11:29	linuxstb	TheSeven: lcd_shutdown() seems consistent with those targets as least.
23:11:34	linuxstb	s/as/at/
23:11:46	linuxstb	(it's also called from power_off()
23:11:58	TheSeven	ok, so I'll go for that one
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23:12:10	kugel	TheSeven: the sign bit can get shifted away, can't it?
23:12:11	TheSeven	kugel: the sign bit will stay one as long as there is no overflow
23:12:16	linuxstb	In fact it's not called from there...
23:12:42	linuxstb	It's called from firmware/powermgmt.c - which is better.
23:12:59	TheSeven	is this done before power_off()?
23:13:10	kugel	TheSeven: the sign bit is gone in a logical shift
23:13:17	linuxstb	Yes. That looks like the place you should unmount the NAND as well.
23:13:28	TheSeven	kugel: not if you shift left, only if you shift right
23:14:13	kugel	alright indeed, I get it now
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23:14:22	kugel	but yea, only if there's no overflow
23:14:39	TheSeven	yes. but if there is an underflow/overflow, it will behave like a multiplication
23:14:47	TheSeven	i.e. just wrap around
23:15:05	TheSeven	so no need for using multiplications instead of that
23:15:05	*	kugel will just make the var in question unsigned :P
23:15:40	TheSeven	...which will only allow by shifting one more bit before it wraps, even though the wrapped number will be positive, too
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23:17:42	*	TheSeven will rework that powerdown code tomorrow
23:18:49	TheSeven	I'm still in favor of shutting down the LCD after unmounting, as it may else panic with LCD off, which is not good.
23:19:20	TheSeven	so the unmount indeed needs to be moved into powermgmt.c, but there is nothing that fits in there yet
23:20:21	TheSeven	this isn't gonna be a small patch :-/
23:20:27	*	TheSeven will go to bed now
23:20:55	CIA-43	New commit by tomers (r23015): Updated Hebrew language - fix parentheses not shown properly
23:21:36	linuxstb	TheSeven: Why doesn't it fit there?
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23:22:19	Utchybann	TheSeven: shutting down seems fine on my nano2g.
23:22:21	TheSeven	i meant that i don't see anything being called in there that could be used for that, so we'll need to touch powermgmt.c and probably storage.c to do it properly
23:23:45	domonoky1	user
23:23:49	domonoky1	ups
23:23:57	bluebrother	password:
23:24:07	TheSeven	huh?
23:24:17	domonoky1	pass :-)
23:24:24	bluebrother	I was just prompting the password for the user "ups" ;-)
23:26:41	CIA-43	New commit by bluebrother (r23016): If available, use the systems libspeex when linking rbspeex(enc\|dec) and rbutil dynamically. This is similar to FS #9233 but utilizes pkg-config.
23:27:52	bluebrother	list_of_open_rbutil_tasks−− :)
23:28:59	*	bluebrother spots a new translation for rbutil
23:29:21	bluebrother	too bad, I wanted to get that chinachip strings stuff cleaned up. Well.
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23:40:14	CIA-43	New commit by bluebrother (r23017): Czech translation for Rockbox Utility (FS #10662 by Pavel Rzehák).
23:40:29	notlistening	domonoky1, getting a build error with the opensapi patch when building on lin#ux
23:40:57	domonoky1	notlistening: is this with my newest patch ?
23:41:15	notlistening	domonoky1, yup
23:41:41	notlistening	was attempting to test on ubuntu for you
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23:42:58	domonoky1	notlistening: can you pastebin the error ? (i also testing my newest patch in a ubuntu vm, but i may have missed something when i created the patch.)
23:46:36	amiconn	linuxstb, TheSeven: The issue with suspend is that rockbox isn't prepared for proper suspend handling atm
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23:47:56	amiconn	Suspend needs a method to tell all all drivers to put their hardware in a sane state for suspend, and put all threads into a suitable state as well
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23:48:26	CIA-43	New commit by bluebrother (r23018): Add Czech translation to the resources too.
23:48:31	amiconn	Right now what rockbox does on shutdown is to exit most threads, and deinit some hardware "by hand" in a quite uncoordinated fashion
23:50:34	amiconn	kugel: suspend is not that simple
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23:51:57	bluebrother	domonoky1: sure. I'm generally not too fond of having multiple classes in the same file.
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