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| 00:00:21 | midgey | seems the usb hid weirdness is in snow leopard too |
| 00:00:43 | linuxstb | That's 10.6? |
| 00:00:56 | AquaFox | oh if you were wondering, on NiMH 2000mAh batteries (4xAA) my Creative Nomad Jukebox plays for about 4.5 hours in shuffle mode, not bad for a 2.5inch hdd, runs longer than my mp3 cd player |
| 00:01:05 | pixelma | so they took a step back? |
| 00:01:09 | midgey | linuxstb: yes |
| 00:01:40 | midgey | pixelma: i'm not sure of the behavior on old versions, i just know they behaved strangely |
| 00:02:25 | CIA-85 | New commit by theseven (r23080): Increase iPod Nano 2G stack size to 16KiB |
| 00:02:25 | CIA-85 | New commit by theseven (r23081): "Implement" S5L8701 core_sleep |
| 00:02:25 | CIA-85 | New commit by theseven (r23082): Add current measurements to the iPod Nano 2G's battery debug screen |
| 00:03:03 | AquaFox | i just wish it could play more than wav, wma, mp3, my mp3cd player can do mpg video (plays the audio part obviously) and mp2 |
| 00:07:33 | saratoga | AquaFox: this is an on topic channel, check the rules if you haven't already |
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| 00:09:55 | ShapeShifter499 | how do build the newest rockbox? |
| 00:10:39 | ShapeShifter499 | *how do I |
| 00:10:39 | TheSeven | http://www.google.com/url?sa=t&source=web&ct=res&cd=1&ved=0CAYQFjAA&url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.rockbox.org%2Ftwiki%2Fbin%2Fview%2FMain%2FSimpleGuideToCompiling&ei=WwbRSsWMCZ_kmgPOx82FAw&usg=AFQjCNEQZbSWBGVXFahE7uacT1m1o_uvdA |
| 00:10:50 | TheSeven | arrrrh, bad google links |
| 00:10:59 | TheSeven | http://www.rockbox.org/wiki/SimpleGuideToCompiling |
| 00:11:19 | ShapeShifter499 | no I got an error during build |
| 00:11:31 | Dege | and this for cygwin: http://www.rockbox.org/wiki/CygwinDevelopment |
| 00:11:36 | linuxstb | ShapeShifter499: What error? |
| 00:11:49 | ShapeShifter499 | w8 let me try again to get the error messgae |
| 00:11:57 | gevaerts | ShapeShifter499: please use real words |
| 00:12:41 | ShapeShifter499 | ok |
| 00:12:49 | ShapeShifter499 | wait let me try again to get the error messgae |
| 00:12:52 | ShapeShifter499 | brb |
| 00:13:01 | ShapeShifter499 | ahhh |
| 00:13:07 | ShapeShifter499 | be right back |
| 00:15:31 | midgey | pixelma, gevaerts: on OS X 10.6.1, my e200 works as a HID device (somewhat) but no drive shows up |
| 00:16:04 | midgey | using the scrollwheel to increase the volume can sometimes lead to volume increasing over and over again |
| 00:16:13 | linuxstb | midgey: I don't know if you noticed, but I opened FS #10666 for this issue - could be useful for you to add notes there. |
| 00:16:39 | gevaerts | We really need to make HID configurable... |
| 00:17:08 | midgey | linuxstb: no i hadn't, i'll add my behavior there |
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| 00:18:04 | pixelma | sounds familiar... I had similar effect with my c200, usually the HID functions wouldn't work but once in a while they did and then over and over. I had this with the volume up button |
| 00:18:44 | pixelma | funnily enough the HID functions worked properly with USB prober running |
| 00:18:47 | midgey | the hid is fairly reliable, other than the scrollwheel |
| 00:19:01 | midgey | sometimes the scrollwheel will behave correctly |
| 00:19:27 | midgey | the only other problems is there seems to be an occasional delay on pressing buttons |
| 00:19:34 | pixelma | that seems a tad bit different then |
| 00:19:55 | ShapeShifter499 | I this error when building rockbox |
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| 00:21:14 | ShapeShifter499 | look at bottom of page−−−−−−> http://paste.ubuntu.com/290369/ |
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| 00:22:49 | midgey | and after a reconnect, the e200 mounted successfully |
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| 00:23:25 | midgey | internal storage and microsd show up perfectly now |
| 00:23:32 | gevaerts | hm, has anyone ever seen these problems on gigabeat s + osx? |
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| 00:25:05 | * | amiconn wonders whether it would be desirable to allow sharing a working copy between host archs |
| 00:25:40 | amiconn | The problem is tools/ - the tools are built directly within the source dir |
| 00:26:17 | gevaerts | I actually think that the tools should be build in the build directory as well |
| 00:26:27 | amiconn | I disagree |
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| 00:26:54 | amiconn | This would mean that the tools are built individually for every build - quite a waste of build time |
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| 00:26:56 | linuxstb | Are there that many tools that it would be an issue? |
| 00:27:22 | amiconn | Even building *one* tool per target would be annoying on cygwin |
| 00:28:46 | amiconn | The tools rarely change, so they should also be kept on 'make clean' |
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| 00:29:39 | amiconn | I'm pondering a host architecture dependent tools build dir in tools/ |
| 00:29:56 | gevaerts | sounds like a good compromise |
| 00:30:06 | amiconn | (something derived from 'uname' output) |
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| 00:33:38 | amiconn | Maybe concatenating `uname -s`and `uname -m`, or a hash of that |
| 00:34:26 | * | TheSeven is about to implement spinup/spindown for nano2g :-) |
| 00:35:25 | gevaerts | I don't think a hash is a good idea |
| 00:35:25 | TheSeven | let's see if we can get current further down this way |
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| 00:36:51 | amiconn | I'm thinking about a hash in case one of the uname values contains characters which aren't valid in filenames |
| 00:37:01 | linuxstb | amiconn: What's the use-case for this? Cygwin and Linux-in-a-vm on the same machine? |
| 00:37:52 | amiconn | linuxstb: Yes, using just one working copy for both |
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| 00:37:55 | linuxstb | Then I guess simply the output of "uname" would be enough for that. |
| 00:38:02 | gevaerts | I don't really expect invalid characters in there, but I could of course be wrong... |
| 00:38:38 | gevaerts | linuxstb: I think that if we do this, we should do it properly and also allow for nfs builds, which means you also need the cpu |
| 00:38:45 | amiconn | gevaerts: On the systems I tried it I didn't get such chars for -s and -m, but check what uname -o outputs on linux.... |
| 00:39:11 | amiconn | That's cause an unexpected extra dir level |
| 00:39:11 | linuxstb | Could the host gcc spit something useful out? |
| 00:39:34 | gevaerts | hm, maybe |
| 00:39:54 | gevaerts | gcc -v 2>&1|grep ^Target: |
| 00:40:21 | linuxstb | Looks good... |
| 00:40:28 | gevaerts | or just -dumpmachine |
| 00:40:38 | linuxstb | Even better |
| 00:41:25 | gevaerts | Those are used in directory names, so I'd expect them to be safe |
| 00:41:56 | amiconn | 'configure' already checks uname, and I agree with linuxstb that just uname -s (== plain uname) should be sufficient as it is not very likely that e.g. 32 bit and 64 bit linux will share a working copy |
| 00:42:19 | linuxstb | amiconn: What about gevaerts's suggestion? i.e. the output of "gcc -dumpmachine" ? |
| 00:42:39 | amiconn | Hmm, that could actually happen if someone keeps his working copy on usb storage |
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| 00:43:53 | amiconn | That looks like it could work well |
| 00:44:17 | amiconn | x86_64-linux-gnu, x86_64-linux-gnu |
| 00:44:34 | amiconn | err, i686-pc-cygwin |
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| 01:00:25 | * | amiconn counts 12 tools binaries in his cygwin tree |
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| 01:02:22 | amiconn | Actually easy to count as 'svn status' displays them as not being under version control. Apparently they're not svn:ignore'd due to the .exe extension |
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| 01:20:21 | TheSeven | spinning down saves another 5mA :-) |
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| 01:23:33 | TheSeven | we are at ~18 hours of runtime now |
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| 09:45:32 | liar|netbook | in the oscilloscope plugin, whats the maximum voltage for an ipod nano(2g)? |
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| 10:01:00 | bubsy | wait−− isn't the M:Robe 500 almost the same as Zen Vision:M? |
| 10:01:17 | bubsy | then what's the problem with continuing on ZVM? :/ |
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| 10:45:49 | CIA-85 | New commit by nls (r23092): Avoid more useless string copys and make some random cleanups |
| 10:47:21 | n1s | hmm, the viewvc thing seems to have died |
| 10:47:46 | n1s | no, it's back, weird |
| 10:48:27 | * | amiconn thinks the server might have problems, judging from the weird build lines |
| 10:48:39 | TheSeven | linuxstb: you made the build system go nuts again! |
| 10:49:26 | * | TheSeven wonders how some builds can *succeed* in zero time |
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| 11:02:57 | linuxstb | TheSeven: I managed to break _every_ build though - you only broke half of them... ;) |
| 11:03:50 | linuxstb | TheSeven: I think we just have one warning left in the Nano2G build now - pcm_rec_dma_get_peak_buffer() |
| 11:04:18 | TheSeven | what is this one supposed to do? |
| 11:05:39 | linuxstb | I'm not exactly sure, but it's for the peakmeter feature. The default theme doesn't include one, so you might not have noticed. |
| 11:06:55 | linuxstb | Sorry, forget that - it's "_rec_", so for the equivalent for recording I guess. |
| 11:07:27 | linuxstb | We should probably just disabled HAVE_RECORDING for now, as it's not implemented. |
| 11:07:35 | n1s | hmm, the last_displayed_selected_item and last_displayed_start_item members of gui_synclist are only set but never checked |
| 11:09:22 | CIA-85 | New commit by nls (r23093): Const correctness |
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| 11:12:13 | CIA-85 | New commit by nls (r23094): forgot one file, fixes yellow |
| 11:17:14 | CIA-85 | New commit by dave (r23095): Nano2G - remove HAVE_RECORDING from config-ipodnano2g.h as it's not implmented yet, and properly #ifdef audio-nano2g.c |
| 11:17:27 | linuxstb | TheSeven: OK, we should now have a clean build. gevaerts ? ;) |
| 11:18:27 | linuxstb | gevaerts: Both the bootloader and normal Nano2G builds should now be compiling cleanly. (we now have a bootloader!) |
| 11:21:13 | pixelma | congrats! :) |
| 11:21:23 | amiconn | n1s: There's still some yllow left... |
| 11:21:27 | amiconn | *yellow |
| 11:21:56 | * | n1s looks |
| 11:22:03 | * | TheSeven just masked 18 clock gates on the nano and it still boots! |
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| 11:22:59 | TheSeven | but it doesn't reduce current much |
| 11:26:24 | linuxstb | pixelma: Do you fancy doing a Nano2G SVG? Looking at the build table, I think it would be a cross between the ipod mini and first gen Nano. i.e. the same shape/size as the Nano, but the same curved metal as the mini. |
| 11:29:21 | pixelma | hmm... yes, could you remind me in the evening? |
| 11:29:52 | linuxstb | TheSeven: Do you know how to integrate charging into Rockbox? I'm guessing it's going to need the same patch as the older ipods? (FS #8802) |
| 11:29:58 | n1s | this yellow was a bit tricky, the callback is modifying the list title |
| 11:30:35 | * | pixelma googles for pictures of 2nd gen Nanos especially for different colours and a front view to get the proportions right |
| 11:31:45 | TheSeven | pixelma: see http://l4n.clustur.com/ |
| 11:32:55 | TheSeven | for a black one: http://l4n.clustur.com/images/9/98/Img9088.jpg |
| 11:32:58 | linuxstb | pixelma: I don't know if you need to know, but the hold switch is top-left, the dock connector is bottom-left and the headphone socket is bottom right. |
| 11:33:53 | pixelma | the latter two aren't labelled in other drawings for the manual either but the hold switch is |
| 11:35:22 | * | n1s thinks he'll revert that last const "correctness" change |
| 11:35:28 | pixelma | I'd like to do a colour version but don't like the yellow greenish one, I see red and the cyan too |
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| 11:36:27 | linuxstb | pixelma: http://support.apple.com/kb/HT1353#ipodnano2 |
| 11:36:38 | pixelma | the red is more a pink, right? The first picture of one of those misled me a bit |
| 11:37:03 | linuxstb | Looks like there is a pink, but also a special edition red. |
| 11:37:30 | pixelma | special edition |
| 11:38:40 | pixelma | I guess I'll try the blueish... to get some colour into the mostly black and silver table of targets |
| 11:40:50 | CIA-85 | New commit by nls (r23096): revert r23093 and r 23094, since the title pointer is used to modify the title of the list from the callback function in one place |
| 11:41:18 | pixelma | although "silver" is much more simple... just take it from the Ipod Mini's SVG |
| 11:42:40 | linuxstb | pixelma: It may be nice to have a different colour to the mini though, to avoid confusion. They would look quite similar. |
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| 11:43:53 | pixelma | true |
| 11:44:21 | pixelma | although the "screen" will look different already |
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| 11:44:49 | linuxstb | Yes, it probably won't be a problem... So whatever you want to do ;) |
| 11:45:45 | * | TheSeven has now plumbed 40 clock gates that were open before |
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| 11:46:24 | TheSeven | but i have the impression that the soc is one of the smaller power consumers in there |
| 11:46:55 | TheSeven | we're still 5mA above the apple firmware |
| 11:47:16 | CIA-85 | New commit by dave (r23097): mkamsboot: allow the version string to be overridden from the commandline - e.g. "make APPVERSION=v1.1 mkamsboot". |
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| 11:49:14 | linuxstb | TheSeven: Have you tried powering off the LCD? |
| 11:52:41 | CIA-85 | New commit by theseven (r23098): S5L870x crt0.S: Streamline things a bit, and close unneeded clock gates on iPod Nano 2G |
| 11:53:17 | TheSeven | linuxstb: heh, I can't get current readings then :-P |
| 11:53:58 | linuxstb | TheSeven: Beep them out via the headphones... |
| 11:54:12 | linuxstb | Or in fact, use Rockbox's voice UI... |
| 11:54:39 | * | TheSeven wonders if polling the battery ADC like crazy could be one of the causes |
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| 12:01:13 | n1s | can that hw scale cpu voltage? |
| 12:01:19 | bertrik | TheSeven, does nano2g have boost/unboost already? |
| 12:02:09 | TheSeven | bertrik: no, always running at 200MHz right now |
| 12:02:46 | TheSeven | n1s: the HW can probably do that, but we have no datasheet of the PMU, and I won't dare to poke at it blindly |
| 12:03:13 | TheSeven | linuxstb: why is the bootloader bss so big? |
| 12:07:34 | linuxstb | Look in bootloader.map |
| 12:07:39 | linuxstb | It's about 300KB I think. |
| 12:08:50 | linuxstb | "opendirs" looks to be 0x251d0 bytes. Plus there is codepage_table which is 0x10000 - I guess the latter isn't needed, and the first could be reduced... |
| 12:09:34 | linuxstb | Also, the scroll_engine needs 15KB... |
| 12:09:48 | linuxstb | So yes, I guess there are lots of things which could/should be removed from bootloaders. |
| 12:10:13 | * | linuxstb wonders why we need 150KB for opendirs... |
| 12:10:50 | CIA-85 | New commit by theseven (r23099): Implement NAND power management for iPod Nano 2G |
| 12:10:52 | linuxstb | Seems that's dircache-related... |
| 12:12:33 | CIA-85 | New commit by theseven (r23100): Fix another anti-double-inclusion define for iPod Nano 2G |
| 12:13:18 | * | TheSeven will have a shot at boosting |
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| 12:20:10 | TheSeven | reducing the CPU clock to 100MHz (all the time) reduces current by another 2mA |
| 12:20:40 | linuxstb | I'm guessing we probably want something like 30MHz or 40MHz for the "normal" clock |
| 12:21:15 | TheSeven | ...which means recalculating several prescaler values scattered all over the place |
| 12:21:15 | CIA-85 | New commit by gevaerts (r23101): Add nano2g to the build system. No sim yet |
| 12:21:23 | linuxstb | \o/ |
| 12:21:41 | linuxstb | Now someone commit something... |
| 12:22:08 | CIA-85 | New commit by theseven (r23102): Fix yellow |
| 12:22:10 | bertrik | hm only 2 mA savings for 100 MHz difference, must be because of the effectiveness of the wait-for-irq sleep mode |
| 12:22:28 | TheSeven | bertrik: wait-for-irq vs. busy waiting is just 3mA |
| 12:22:52 | bertrik | ok, didn't expect that |
| 12:22:56 | TheSeven | I would expect the whole SoC to be below 10mA by now |
| 12:23:15 | TheSeven | we're at 19mA total right now |
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| 12:23:23 | bertrik | some codecs can be configured for various low-power modes, I'm not sure if rockbox already uses that |
| 12:23:33 | bertrik | (hardware codecs I mean) |
| 12:24:06 | bertrik | 19 mA is nice |
| 12:24:32 | linuxstb | gevaerts: Thanks for that. I forgot to suggest a checkwps build... |
| 12:24:46 | linuxstb | (I've just tested, and it works fine) |
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| 12:25:10 | gevaerts | linuxstb: I tested all builds before adding them :) |
| 12:25:45 | linuxstb | gevaerts: So you added checkwps? I didn't look... |
| 12:26:04 | gevaerts | I did yes. No sim yet, it doesn't buikd |
| 12:26:33 | linuxstb | I guess that just needs a bmp - pixelma is on the case... |
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| 12:27:40 | * | linuxstb wonders how 19mA compares to the other targets |
| 12:27:47 | TheSeven | what do you think, should we clock HCLK and PCLK down? |
| 12:28:15 | bertrik | linuxstb, sansa e200 is about 35mA I think |
| 12:28:17 | TheSeven | changing them while audio playback is running is probably impossible, but running the CPU at a lower speed than HCLK also doesn't look useful to me |
| 12:28:38 | linuxstb | bertrik: Ah, we're doing well then... |
| 12:29:09 | linuxstb | But I guess it's how we compare to OF |
| 12:29:18 | bertrik | TheSeven, I'd have to check the datasheet, but I think HCLK and PCLK can't be higher than the CPU clock |
| 12:29:38 | TheSeven | well, I can set them higher - the question is what will happen :-) |
| 12:29:54 | TheSeven | but i don't think it does make any sense |
| 12:30:04 | bertrik | TheSeven, if possible, the nicest way to do boost is just to change a clock multiplexer somewhere (and don't mess with the PLL having to wait for it to lock etc.) |
| 12:30:31 | TheSeven | bertrik: yes, of course, but that means running the PLL at 200MHz all the time |
| 12:30:46 | TheSeven | (or just switching from one PLL to another?) |
| 12:31:42 | TheSeven | i would like to go down as much as possible, but i also don't want to have the CPU insert wait cycles at full speed because HCLK is too low while boosting |
| 12:31:57 | * | linuxstb spots a buggy build-size table |
| 12:32:28 | linuxstb | TheSeven: We now have automatic binaries here - http://build.rockbox.org/data/rockbox-ipodnano2g.zip (that's updated on every commit). |
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| 12:33:39 | linuxstb | TheSeven: If we're only saving a few mA, maybe CPU boosting isn't worthwhile. Not all targets do it - e.g. the Gigabeat F (similar CPU IIUC) |
| 12:34:00 | raymond | hello gys |
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| 12:34:27 | TheSeven | CPU 100MHz vs. 200MHz is 1mA, PLL 100MHz vs. 200MHz is another mA |
| 12:34:46 | raymond | can you guys help choose a player except ipod pls? |
| 12:34:54 | bertrik | linuxstb, good point ... at least it's not a really high priority |
| 12:34:59 | TheSeven | so if we want that to be efficient, we'll need to at least power down a PLL |
| 12:35:22 | TheSeven | which makes me wonder what PLL1 is doing right now... |
| 12:36:59 | TheSeven | ok, that one's already powered down |
| 12:37:00 | raymond | i gotan ipod video which doesnt meet my need so im looking for another player? |
| 12:37:06 | linuxstb | raymond: Have you seen the list of targets on the Rockbox home page? |
| 12:37:15 | linuxstb | raymond: What is your need? |
| 12:37:44 | raymond | anything other than the ipod |
| 12:38:19 | linuxstb | raymond: If you don't say what you want (or what you don't like about ipods), we can't suggest anything... |
| 12:38:44 | raymond | yup i have which one can you suggest on the lists? |
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| 12:41:12 | pixelma | raymond: maybe the BuyersGuide in the rockbox wiki could also help |
| 12:41:48 | raymond | actually, I prefer features over gui and other fancy stuff |
| 12:41:56 | pixelma | it all depends on what features you want to have - storage, screen, recording, radio etc. |
| 12:42:08 | * | TheSeven just noticed we're clocking at PCLK=HCLK=100MHz, in contrary to what the comment beneath it says |
| 12:42:48 | raymond | last.fm, lyrics, album art are my primary needs to be specific |
| 12:42:54 | bertrik | TheSeven, that confused me too when working on the meizus/samsung yp-s3, clocks seemed to be twice as fast as I expected |
| 12:43:13 | TheSeven | should I change that? |
| 12:43:28 | bertrik | TheSeven, can we do PCLK=50, HCLK=100, FCLK=200? |
| 12:43:34 | TheSeven | yes |
| 12:43:52 | TheSeven | even though I'm right now going for all 50MHz to see how current behaves |
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| 12:44:07 | linuxstb | raymond: If you run Rockbox, then the hardware isn't important. Rockbox on an ipod is pretty much the same as Rockbox on any other device. i.e. the features of Rockbox don't depend on the features of the original firmware. |
| 12:45:47 | raymond | linuxstb: how about processor speed? |
| 12:46:15 | linuxstb | That's only really important for "GUI and other fancy stuff" |
| 12:46:23 | gevaerts | or APE |
| 12:47:50 | raymond | linuxstb, hmm can't think of any other question, how about you sir, what brand for rockbox would buy? |
| 12:48:41 | linuxstb | I have most of them... ipods are fine - what don't you like about the ipod hardware? |
| 12:48:42 | raymond | or model series |
| 12:48:50 | TheSeven | where does the user timer api know from how fast the timer ticks? |
| 12:51:32 | raymond | linuxstb, just wanted a different one :D |
| 12:51:59 | TheSeven | bertrik: did you adjust the user timers to correct the double speed? |
| 12:52:27 | bertrik | TheSeven, I don't remember exactly, could be |
| 12:52:37 | TheSeven | do you remember where one can change that? |
| 12:52:44 | raymond | linuxstb: how about top 5 most rockbox capable device? |
| 12:53:14 | gevaerts | ordered according to what? |
| 12:53:56 | raymond | gevaerts: features |
| 12:54:11 | bertrik | TheSeven, I think the rockbox user timer uses units of TIMER_FREQ, defined in the platform specific header file (s5l8700.h) |
| 12:54:29 | TheSeven | ah, i was hunting for that in the config-xxx.h files |
| 12:54:41 | gevaerts | such a list would be meaningless if we don't know what features you care about |
| 12:54:51 | bertrik | If there's a factor 2 correction, it's probably in the timer code itself |
| 12:54:57 | amiconn | It's SoC specific - no need to have that in config-*.h |
| 12:55:03 | raymond | actually I'm a java developer but I did some C before so I look forward to do some interesting stuff with rockbox :) |
| 12:55:24 | linuxstb | raymond: So have you tried Rockbox on your ipod video? |
| 12:55:29 | bertrik | amiconn, the s5l8700 is clocked very differently between (for example) the meizu and the ipod nano2g |
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| 12:55:53 | bertrik | meizu uses a 32 kHz clock to generate all other clocks, nano2g uses a MHz clock |
| 12:56:03 | amiconn | They're different SoC's, aren't they? |
| 12:56:16 | amiconn | s5l8700 vs. s5l8701 |
| 12:56:16 | * | linuxstb thinks amiconn has a point ;) |
| 12:56:17 | TheSeven | amiconn: with a shared soc header file |
| 12:56:28 | gevaerts | do you want recording, FM, colour screen, S/PDIF, line-out, touchscreen? |
| 12:56:39 | raymond | linuxstb, yeah but I'm selling it now |
| 12:56:39 | TheSeven | and that timer difference isn't soc specific, it's caused by other stuff on the board :-) |
| 12:57:12 | TheSeven | going down to all 50MHz didn't yield any improvements over all 100MHz |
| 12:57:36 | TheSeven | and playback is starting to struggle |
| 12:58:10 | TheSeven | the PCM buffer is always around 100KB filled, it's trying to boost (which isn't implemented), but audio is playing smoothly |
| 12:58:21 | * | TheSeven wonders what's causing the PCM buffer to stay at that value |
| 12:58:22 | gevaerts | also, how much space do you need? |
| 12:58:24 | linuxstb | raymond: I've said it before, the only differences you're going to see in Rockbox are related to what hardware the device has - the kinds of things gevaerts just mentioned. If you can be more specific about what hardware features you want, maybe we can suggest something... |
| 12:59:13 | raymond | gevaerts: i'm pretty much fine with 4gb |
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| 13:01:07 | TheSeven | my clickwheel center button is behaving erratic since i changed to 200/100/50 clocking |
| 13:01:32 | raymond | linuxstb: how about quality( durability, battery life/lifespan )? what's next to ipod? |
| 13:02:20 | * | linuxstb can't comment, as he doesn't have many flash-based players |
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| 13:07:45 | linuxstb | raymond: The only relatively modern flash players Rockbox runs on are the Sansas and the first generation ipod nano (and almost the 2nd gen Nano). If you don't want ipods, then that just leaves the Sansas... |
| 13:10:06 | raymond | linuxstb: any device with rockbox will work on linux right? i got a 2gb goGear before, didn't work in linux |
| 13:11:04 | linuxstb | Yes. |
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| 13:16:27 | raymond | linuxstb, thanks for the time, I think I'll go with sandisk |
| 13:21:51 | linuxstb | raymond: Be careful about which hardware version you buy - only the older ones (i.e. the ones not currently sold as new in shops) will work with Rockbox. |
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| 13:32:21 | TheSeven | bertrik: finally caught it. they moved the PCLK divider bit in that reg |
| 13:32:50 | TheSeven | can you have a look if that was a 8700=>8701 change or if it's just a bug in that preliminary datasheet? |
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| 13:33:53 | kugel | does anyone object against making the text in the radio centered? |
| 13:35:15 | CIA-85 | New commit by theseven (r23103): S5L870x: Fix PCLK freq |
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| 13:37:17 | bertrik | TheSeven, I don't think I have any more information/data sheets than you have? what should I look up? |
| 13:37:32 | TheSeven | just have a look if the timer stuff is fixed now |
| 13:37:38 | bertrik | PCLK_DIV_ON is bit 8 in CLKCON2 in ym data sheet |
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| 13:37:53 | TheSeven | yes, but on the 8701 it's bit 9 for some unknown reason |
| 13:38:20 | TheSeven | so it works for the 8701 now, but I'm not sure if this was already moved on the 8700 |
| 13:38:21 | bertrik | HCLK_DIV_ON is bit 12 in CLKCON in my data sheet |
| 13:39:00 | bertrik | TheSeven, you mean the datasheet may be incorrect? |
| 13:39:08 | TheSeven | yes, as it's preliminary |
| 13:39:24 | TheSeven | i think we already found a place where it didn't match the actual 8700 |
| 13:39:26 | bertrik | ok, could explain my earlier confusion with the timer frequency indeed |
| 13:39:43 | bertrik | and I found several other errors in the data sheet |
| 13:39:54 | TheSeven | bit 8 in fact doesn't even retain a 1 |
| 13:40:24 | bertrik | Thanks for figuring this out :) |
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| 13:48:23 | pixelma | does FosWiki not know <verbose> anymore or was that called differently? At least it doesn't seem to work if I look at it in the WYSIWIG editor and there doesn't seem to be a different way to preview... :\ |
| 13:50:04 | kugel | amiconn: ping |
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| 13:55:44 | pixelma | uhmm... verbatim it was called |
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| 14:01:31 | ShapeShifter499 | how do I have album art displayed in rockbox? |
| 14:01:50 | TheSeven | just copy it over |
| 14:02:04 | TheSeven | is there any way to get rid of that battery capacity option? |
| 14:02:36 | ShapeShifter499 | do I have to name the file of the album art any specific name? |
| 14:02:46 | pixelma | ShapeShifter499: see the AlbumArt page in the Rockbox wiki (or our manual which would also lead you there) |
| 14:02:52 | teru | kugel: did you see my last mail on mailing list? |
| 14:02:57 | ShapeShifter499 | brb |
| 14:03:11 | kugel | teru: yes |
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| 14:11:13 | CIA-85 | New commit by theseven (r23104): Correct some iPod Nano 2G defines |
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| 14:16:27 | linuxstb | TheSeven: dual-booting with iloader and ipodpatcher now works ;) (creating the OSBK image) |
| 14:17:07 | * | TheSeven wonders if he needs a nand thread in order to spin the nand down properly :-) |
| 14:17:31 | linuxstb | Dual-booting doesn't seem to work (I've just tried loading an appleos.ipod file) from the Rockbox bootloader though. I'm guessing we do too much to the hardware - e.g. remapping iram... |
| 14:18:06 | TheSeven | linuxstb: appleos expects some structs to be present in iram that get set up by norboot |
| 14:18:21 | linuxstb | Are they at the end of IRAM? |
| 14:18:37 | * | linuxstb recalls seeing those in earlier ipods, but not caring, as the bootloader should leave them intact |
| 14:18:39 | TheSeven | yes, but i don't know where they are starting |
| 14:18:52 | TheSeven | i just trimmed iloader down to fit into the space that was used for norboot code |
| 14:19:03 | linuxstb | Which is what? |
| 14:19:15 | * | linuxstb checks how much iram the Rockbox bootloader is using |
| 14:19:26 | TheSeven | probably too much |
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| 14:19:55 | linuxstb | Looks like 0xedec bytes - 60908 bytes |
| 14:20:41 | TheSeven | that should be sage |
| 14:20:42 | TheSeven | safe* |
| 14:20:58 | TheSeven | the old iloader was using 90kB |
| 14:21:29 | CIA-85 | New commit by kugel (r23105): Add a center flag, next to the rtl flag, for viewports. That results in any text being drawn centered. It overrides the RTL flag if set. ... |
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| 14:25:28 | kugel | nano2g has alraedy a bigger binsize than the sansa fuze ? |
| 14:25:56 | TheSeven | 537kiB |
| 14:25:58 | linuxstb | binsize or ramsize? |
| 14:26:09 | linuxstb | (it has 2048KB sectors, increasing ram usage) |
| 14:26:22 | TheSeven | linuxstb: I hope not... |
| 14:26:24 | kugel | well, both, but mainly binsizee |
| 14:26:46 | TheSeven | kugel: how big is the fuze binsize? |
| 14:27:06 | linuxstb | TheSeven: You can see by hovering over the numbers in the second table here - http://build.rockbox.org/dev.cgi |
| 14:27:08 | kugel | 530k |
| 14:27:42 | TheSeven | linuxstb: I know :-) |
| 14:27:47 | linuxstb | I guess the FTL code is a big chunk of that. |
| 14:27:48 | kugel | but it has a bigger screeen (which may only affect ram size, I'm not sure) and radio |
| 14:28:04 | linuxstb | radio would increase binsize. I don't think the screen would (just ramsize) |
| 14:32:41 | gevaerts | screen affects mostly ramsize, but also a bit of binsize (stored bitmaps are larger) |
| 14:35:01 | TheSeven | gevaerts: are they? and how many of them are in the bin? |
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| 14:35:58 | gevaerts | There are a few. I can think of the USB connect screen (which is always there I think, even if you don't do USB yet), and the logo |
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| 14:45:04 | linuxstb | That's about it I think - and those images are not full-screen. |
| 14:45:28 | CIA-85 | New commit by theseven (r23106): Add a thread to power down the NAND after inactivity on the iPod Nano 2G |
| 14:45:51 | * | linuxstb claims this proves the Nano2G port is simply more advanced than the fuze ;) |
| 14:46:30 | pixelma | the 2nd gen Nano's screen is the same resolution as the first gen's? |
| 14:46:35 | linuxstb | Yes |
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| 14:48:47 | * | amiconn now has a working interrupt-driven DMA lcd update for H300 |
| 14:49:27 | amiconn | It's slightly slower for partial updates, but unlike svn it gives other threads a chance to run while waiting for the update to finish |
| 14:49:58 | * | gevaerts thinks that mpegplayer framerates will be conclusive then |
| 14:50:02 | amiconn | The effect is clearly visible e.g. when running cube at highspeed with music playing |
| 14:50:25 | amiconn | gevaerts: mpegplayer performance doesn't change, as lcd_blit_yuv() doesn't use dma |
| 14:51:15 | amiconn | It will reduce cpu load when running lcd intensive stuff with music playing |
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| 14:54:29 | amiconn | It also means slightly increased complexity, as it adds the requirement for a mutex in the driver |
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| 15:15:25 | CIA-85 | New commit by bertrik (r23107): Samsung YP-S3: make bootloader compile again |
| 15:19:37 | * | linuxstb has test ipodpatcher binaries with Nano2G support here - linuxstb.cream.org/rockbox/ipodpatcher-nano2g.zip">http://linuxstb.cream.org/rockbox/ipodpatcher-nano2g.zip (Windows and Linux X86) |
| 15:20:23 | crashd | just a headsup before it goes on fleabay, does anyone want a ipod 5g/video that is in perfect working except for headphone/hold switch assembly? |
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| 15:21:16 | ShapeShifter499 | sure how much? |
| 15:21:41 | crashd | well, i hadnt really thought. there's one on ebay atm going for £40 |
| 15:21:43 | crashd | but i dunno |
| 15:21:47 | crashd | im based in the uk so make me an offer :) |
| 15:22:13 | ShapeShifter499 | hmm... |
| 15:22:15 | bertrik | TheSeven, I think a lot of functions in the ipodnano2g ftl/pmu/nand code can be made static |
| 15:23:07 | TheSeven | bertrik: probably yes |
| 15:23:17 | ShapeShifter499 | crashd: you use eruos right? |
| 15:23:27 | crashd | no, GBP |
| 15:23:30 | crashd | but euros i understand ;) |
| 15:23:44 | CIA-85 | New commit by dave (r23108): Correct the charging/power #defines for the Nano2G. This now enables you to hold MENU when inserting the USB cable to stop Rockbox entering disk ... |
| 15:23:50 | ShapeShifter499 | crashd: well I use USD |
| 15:23:55 | crashd | ahh |
| 15:24:48 | ShapeShifter499 | crashd: so I say 25$=16 Euros for that ipod |
| 15:25:13 | linuxstb | TheSeven: Hmm, I've just got a panic when shutting down Rockbox - "FTL: scheduling bank 1 block 2156 for remap!". |
| 15:26:03 | TheSeven | now you too? |
| 15:26:10 | ShapeShifter499 | uh oh |
| 15:26:14 | linuxstb | I rebooted (Rockbox started fine), and now get the same panic on shutdown - bank 0 block 2228... |
| 15:26:50 | TheSeven | try increasing nand-nano2g.c:146 |
| 15:27:11 | ShapeShifter499 | r23106-091011 for ipod nano 2gen is bad luck, DON'T USE IT! |
| 15:27:35 | TheSeven | ShapeShifter499: If anything, it's everything since 23099 |
| 15:27:46 | TheSeven | or maybe I'll need to add a nand reset after powering up |
| 15:28:03 | linuxstb | TheSeven: OK, trying HZ/10 |
| 15:28:19 | ShapeShifter499 | crashd: so? |
| 15:28:29 | crashd | ShapeShifter499: can i get bnack to you in an hr or two? |
| 15:28:37 | ShapeShifter499 | crashd: yea sure |
| 15:29:29 | ShapeShifter499 | crashd: w8 me and my mom may go out to breakfast in a hour |
| 15:29:38 | crashd | ok, well ill drop you a pm :) |
| 15:30:07 | CIA-85 | New commit by amiconn (r23109): H300 LCD update: Use interrupt driven background DMA transfers, giving other threads a ... |
| 15:30:37 | linuxstb | TheSeven: Hmm, now it panics immediately on boot... |
| 15:31:01 | ShapeShifter499 | crashd: how? I may not even be online then(I like taking my netbook with me, and there isn't internet everywhere) |
| 15:31:20 | crashd | ahh right |
| 15:31:26 | crashd | sorry, i justt assume everyone is permanently online ;) |
| 15:31:27 | crashd | well |
| 15:31:34 | crashd | drop me a line when you're back and i can always sort it out |
| 15:31:39 | crashd | im too lazy to list on ebay today anyway |
| 15:32:12 | ShapeShifter499 | crashd: If I still want it I will pm you or something |
| 15:32:21 | crashd | ok cool |
| 15:32:24 | crashd | have fun :) |
| 15:34:02 | TheSeven | linuxstb: can you try /tmp/nandfix.patch on my host? |
| 15:35:10 | linuxstb | TheSeven: Sure (if you remind me where your host is...) |
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| 15:37:43 | elinenbe | what's up, ya'll |
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| 15:43:49 | * | TheSeven just spotted a build problem |
| 15:44:36 | TheSeven | build/.../lang/lang.h needs to be rebuilt after changing config.h/config-....h |
| 15:45:18 | pixelma | it has to in case features change |
| 15:45:36 | TheSeven | yes, but it doesn't do. |
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| 15:46:08 | TheSeven | just had a build with several hundred reds until i did a make clean because of that |
| 15:46:36 | linuxstb | TheSeven: Good news - with your patch, my Nano booted fine, and shutdown cleanly. No panics. |
| 15:47:03 | TheSeven | ok, then I'm gonna commit that |
| 15:48:14 | CIA-85 | New commit by theseven (r23110): iPod Nano 2G: Reset NAND banks after powering the chip up. |
| 15:49:30 | kugel | TheSeven: that was supposed to be fixed, apparently it came back |
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| 15:52:42 | bertrik | for the meizus and the samsung yp-s3 I could ditch the OF + OF file system and use the ipodnano2g FTL |
| 15:53:08 | bertrik | just need to get USB working on s5l8700 to put files on it |
| 15:53:34 | linuxstb | bertrik: How would the bootloader install work? |
| 15:53:44 | webguest666 | Is there some unique hardware in iPods, or could the Apple Accessory Protocol be implmented in other players via Rockbox? |
| 15:53:57 | linuxstb | bertrik: DFU mode allows you to write a bootloader to NOR, so you would completely replace the OF? |
| 15:54:14 | Galois | I think someone had a picture of the sansa syncing with itunes |
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| 15:54:35 | linuxstb | Galois: That's different - that's pretending to be an ipod over a USB connection. |
| 15:55:03 | bertrik | linuxstb, not sure yet about the bootloader, yes that would be a complete OF replacement |
| 15:55:21 | webguest666 | I'm curious about the possibility of using in-car controls with a Sansa e200 for example, over a USB connection |
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| 15:55:37 | bertrik | at least with the meizu m3 there is a simple procedure to restore the OF, I don't know about such thing for the samsung yp-s3 and the meizus without NOR |
| 15:56:39 | linuxstb | bertrik: But that sounds like a good idea |
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| 16:00:26 | elinenbe | TheSeven: good work on the nano stuff, yo! |
| 16:00:36 | elinenbe | TheSeven: It's all sounding great. |
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| 16:10:14 | linuxstb | TheSeven: Hmm, I may have spoken too soon. Another panic on shutdown... |
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| 16:19:34 | topik | i know it's early days but i'm getting a panic on shutdown on my nano2g too |
| 16:19:54 | topik | r23110-091011, message FTL: scheduling bank 0 block 1232 for remap |
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| 16:20:27 | topik | other than that the process of applying rockbox to my nano2g was very smooth. great work guys! |
| 16:20:55 | linuxstb | topik: How did you install? With ipodpatcher? |
| 16:22:18 | topik | yes, the one you mentioned earlier |
| 16:22:45 | topik | link you posted here 1h04m ago |
| 16:23:00 | linuxstb | Perfect - thanks for confirming the install is OK. |
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| 16:23:25 | topik | connect ipod, press 'i', copy .rockbox and done |
| 16:23:35 | topik | very easy, very smooth |
| 16:24:25 | nazihunter | hey folks, |
| 16:24:34 | topik | as there's no dual boot yet i'm in disk mode now removing all traces of appleness |
| 16:24:56 | nazihunter | i installed the new build to my "sansa e200 v.1" |
| 16:25:08 | nazihunter | and some strange things happened... |
| 16:25:40 | nazihunter | im running ubuntu 9.04 on my desktop pc |
| 16:26:06 | linuxstb | nazihunter: What do you mean by "new build" ? When did you previously install/update Rockbox? |
| 16:26:38 | nazihunter | sorry, i mean the official 3.4 build |
| 16:26:54 | nazihunter | i just bought the player a few days ago |
| 16:27:24 | nazihunter | i first tried to connect the device with the proprietary firmware |
| 16:27:50 | gevaerts | nazihunter: have a look at http://www.rockbox.org/wiki/LibGphoto2Bug |
| 16:28:32 | topik | linuxstb: is shutdown on the nano 2g holding select and play? |
| 16:28:57 | linuxstb | topik: No, just PLAY. But at the moment there's that FTL panic bug so it isn't working. |
| 16:29:29 | topik | poor nano is doomed to run forever then (or until you/TheSeven cure it) |
| 16:29:43 | nazihunter | @ topik; oh, thanks, didn't found that. i think you already got it, i will work this trough... thanks very much |
| 16:30:06 | linuxstb | topik: Hold MENU+SELECT to reset, then hold LEFT+SELECT to enter diagnostics mode. Then "Sleep -> Deep sleep test" |
| 16:30:43 | topik | thanks. that's good to know. |
| 16:31:16 | topik | i also noticed the nano seems to charge fine when hooked to usb, but rockbox doesn't show the charging icon like i am used to on my fuze |
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| 16:50:53 | topik | unbelievable. feels my old nano 2g just got a new life |
| 16:51:20 | linuxstb | Yes, it's now reached the power of a 1st gen nano ;) |
| 16:52:41 | topik | never had one of those. nano 2g was my first. only player in my connection not rockboxed now is my meizu m6 |
| 16:52:55 | topik | or collection |
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| 17:01:37 | ShapeShifter499 | so sound doesn't work on rockboy? |
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| 17:05:43 | linuxstb | topik: BTW, which revision of Rockbox are you using? Should be visible somewhere under the System menu |
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| 17:05:56 | linuxstb | Ah, you already said 23110... |
| 17:15:29 | amiconn | hi elinenbe, vltns! |
| 17:19:27 | TheSeven | linuxstb: I just got one of these panics myself :-/ |
| 17:19:47 | TheSeven | I'll try playing around with timeouts |
| 17:20:13 | linuxstb | TheSeven: OK. I'm going to be away from my computer for the next hour or so, but there hopefully other people who can test... |
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| 17:20:53 | linuxstb | TheSeven: BTW, do you know how to unmap IRAM? i.e. restore the memory layout to how the Apple firmware expects it? |
| 17:22:17 | TheSeven | yes, just map bootrom to zero |
| 17:23:06 | TheSeven | MIUCON &= ~1 |
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| 17:23:25 | TheSeven | (MIUCON is 0x38200000) |
| 17:24:55 | linuxstb | OK, thanks. |
| 17:25:00 | shotofadds | TheSeven: did you see the pcf50635 driver I committed yesterday? it looks remarkably similar to your Nano2G pmu code - and we have a datasheet linked from the CowonD2Info page... |
| 17:25:41 | TheSeven | i think i already looked at that datasheet, and it didn't really fit |
| 17:26:04 | linuxstb | TheSeven: So the NOR bootloader doesn't remap IRAM? Or does it unmap it before running the OF? |
| 17:26:44 | shotofadds | TheSeven: really? your code seems to match the 50633 datasheet I found at OpenMoko... |
| 17:27:26 | shotofadds | at least the parts I saw (backlight, battery voltage monitoring) |
| 17:27:35 | TheSeven | it doesn't ever remap anything before the OF boots |
| 17:31:11 | TheSeven | shotofadds: at least the RTC doesn't match |
| 17:31:42 | TheSeven | and the backlight doesn't match either |
| 17:31:48 | TheSeven | are we talking about the same datasheet? |
| 17:31:57 | TheSeven | I'm looking at http://www.rockbox.org/wiki/pub/Main/DataSheets/pcf50606.pdf |
| 17:31:58 | shotofadds | TheSeven: what document are you reading? |
| 17:32:13 | shotofadds | Try the PCF50633 one ;-) |
| 17:32:18 | TheSeven | where is that? |
| 17:33:27 | TheSeven | oh, found it at openmoko |
| 17:33:33 | shotofadds | TheSeven: hmm, it doesn't seem to be linked. It's mentioned in the Power Management section, but the link is http://people.openmoko.org/tony_tu/GTA02/datasheet/PMU/PCF50633UM_6.pdf |
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| 17:34:43 | shotofadds | wiki fixed ;-) |
| 17:34:59 | TheSeven | ok, that one looks really nice :-) |
| 17:35:19 | shotofadds | it's rather annoying Cowon decided to use two different, incompitable, PMUs in the same model :( |
| 17:36:20 | shotofadds | Lots of things need fixing, like I'll need to invent a new RTC_COWOND2 wrapper to send the commands to the right device |
| 17:36:53 | shotofadds | but I guess that's what happens when you don't udpate your product line for 3 years and things go obsolete... |
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| 17:46:02 | kugel | shotofadds: at least it's not incompatible enough to force a separate build |
| 17:46:36 | shotofadds | thankfully not. Cowon even slipped it into a minor firmware revision (1.02 to 1.11) |
| 17:56:15 | amiconn | Different hardware used in the same dap model isn't uncommon |
| 17:56:30 | amiconn | Even the first dap supported by rockbox has that |
| 17:57:08 | amiconn | The Player comes with one of two incompatible lcd controllers (different command set and different charset) |
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| 17:58:07 | amiconn | The Ondio FM (5th target ever supported) comes with one of two different fm tuners, which even use different ways of communication (the newer one uses i2c, the older one uses a different protocol) |
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| 18:03:26 | biggerfisch | will iPod nano 4th gen be supported by rockbox in the next year or so? |
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| 18:12:44 | TheSeven | is "Charge during USB connection" the right setting for the 100mA/500mA bit for now? |
| 18:12:49 | TheSeven | or where should I do that? |
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| 18:28:17 | Utchybann | TheSeven: your recent commit makes the nano2g much more stable. nice work. |
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| 18:32:26 | snuupy | hey, is anyone here? I got a question... |
| 18:34:54 | snuupy | brb |
| 18:34:59 | krazykit | as the irc guidelines state, don't ask to ask |
| 18:35:31 | Torne | what does the clipv2 port need doing? |
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| 18:40:08 | TheSeven | Utchybann: you are referring to r23110? |
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| 18:42:36 | snuupy | krazykit: Sorry...i just wanted to make sure ppl were here. I'll keep that in mind. |
| 18:43:03 | snuupy | so when I put rockbox on my 1st gen ipod nano, i thought I could play GBC games on my ipod...right? |
| 18:43:24 | snuupy | so I put pokemon blue on it. But when I tried to go to the "pokemon center", it froze. |
| 18:43:37 | snuupy | so how do i make it not freeze? |
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| 18:48:38 | snuupy | no one wants to help? |
| 18:49:12 | krazykit | snuupy, please have patience in waiting for a reply. someone that may know about the problem might not be around right at this moment |
| 18:49:20 | snuupy | oh thanks. |
| 18:49:32 | snuupy | I'm gunna be back in ...about half an hour. |
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| 18:50:26 | Utchybann | TheSeven: yes. I guess your mutex fix improve reliability a lot. |
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| 18:51:01 | TheSeven | yes, but that's long ago, and we keep getting these remap issues |
| 18:52:50 | Utchybann | TheSeven: long ago... I just get back home and recompile latest svn. I got the first remap issue one hour ago. |
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| 18:54:19 | TheSeven | every attempt to fix that is worsening it... |
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| 18:57:10 | CIA-85 | New commit by kugel (r23111): Clean up, simplify and fix small bugs in color picker. |
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| 19:08:18 | pixelma | snuupy: I read threads in our forums about the fact that Rockboy would freeze under these circumstances, the workaround people found was to turn off sound if I remember correctly (note: I do not play this myself, if you want to be sure search our forums a while) |
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| 19:24:25 | gkahla | does anyone know where I can find the documentation for the .is_audio_player file? |
| 19:24:33 | snuupy | hey pixelma? |
| 19:24:58 | snuupy | i played a bit more, experimented more, and i found out that if I turned sound ON, then it'll work. |
| 19:25:06 | snuupy | but when i turn sound OFF, it doesnt. |
| 19:25:28 | snuupy | so it kinda gets annoying when that happens..becuase Id have to do that everytime. |
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| 19:28:06 | gkahla | found it! .is_audio_player is a Banshee-specific config file - |
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| 19:32:58 | kugel | shotofadds: I hope fs#10639 isn't going to be such wobbly implementation like color screen |
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| 19:34:49 | shotofadds | kugel: wobbly? |
| 19:35:25 | shotofadds | the patch actually works fine at the moment, but it could use some usability improvements |
| 19:35:29 | kugel | yea, the touchareas in the color picker are independant of what has been actually drawn |
| 19:35:41 | shotofadds | oh, that's not nice |
| 19:38:25 | kugel | it's also a bit fishy that touchscreen presses are absolute no matter of a viewport. maybe there should be a helper function to filter touchscreen presses through a given viewport and return the coordinates to that vp |
| 19:38:47 | shotofadds | kugel: whoa, the colour bars need to be much thicker for touch screens. whereas the EQ screen patch draws nice fat bars |
| 19:39:23 | shotofadds | kugel: I think some touchscreen support functions would be helpful in general, eg. defining 'button areas', checking for bounds like you say |
| 19:40:03 | kugel | well, you can touch the whole selection bar which scales with the font size in the color picker |
| 19:40:12 | kugel | (not just the tiny scrollbars) |
| 19:40:45 | kugel | shotofadds: "button areas" sounds like grid mode in a different package :/ |
| 19:41:09 | shotofadds | what screen size were you using? the sim or a real device - the D2's 320x240 touchscreen is tiny |
| 19:41:17 | kugel | onda sim |
| 19:41:18 | shotofadds | kugel: no, I meant more like the WPS uses |
| 19:41:43 | shotofadds | the bars are definitely too narrow to touch with a finger |
| 19:42:49 | kugel | but yea, we're going to need that button areas. my custom statusbar patch ports the wps to the rest of the UI, but there's currently no way to port the touchregions also |
| 19:43:42 | kugel | I only slightly touched the touchscreen handling of color picker with my latest commit, it needs a bigger remake in the mid term anyway |
| 19:46:02 | CIA-85 | New commit by rob (r23112): D2: The RTC chip needs to be runtime detected. |
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| 19:53:50 | TheSeven | red! |
| 19:56:02 | CIA-85 | New commit by rob (r23113): Fix D2 red, I missed a file |
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| 20:14:07 | TheSeven | sh!t |
| 20:15:05 | polobricolo | TheSeven: what? |
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| 20:17:17 | TheSeven | used the wrong mutex |
| 20:17:27 | TheSeven | stupid copy-paste error |
| 20:18:12 | TheSeven | FTL is stable again, but I'll need to commit some other changes to make that work |
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| 20:20:58 | CIA-85 | New commit by theseven (r23114): iPod Nano 2G PMU rework, added backlight brightness setting and USB charging speed setting |
| 20:21:17 | CIA-85 | New commit by theseven (r23115): Fix the latest iPod Nano 2G NAND issues |
| 20:22:13 | Dhraakellian | did anything ever come of the Sansa View GSoC project? |
| 20:23:31 | *** | Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" |
| 20:24:32 | linuxstb | TheSeven: Are you sure this time? ;) |
| 20:26:48 | linuxstb | Dhraakellian: Sadly not. |
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| 20:27:46 | kugel | shotofadds: does that look good? http://pastie.org/650616 |
| 20:28:57 | Dhraakellian | durn. would love to at least have the prospect of rockboxing my Woot BoC Sansa View sometime in the forseeable future. |
| 20:29:12 | kugel | seems to work for the color picker |
| 20:29:42 | Dhraakellian | but I shall once again thank the dedicated folks who brought Rockbox to the Fuze |
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| 20:33:25 | TheSeven | linuxstb: can't reproduce the problem since i fixed that |
| 20:33:45 | TheSeven | and i can't remember seeing that bug before that (obviously wrong) code was added |
| 20:34:39 | TheSeven | ok, what's next? |
| 20:35:13 | linuxstb | USB mass storage ;) |
| 20:35:32 | TheSeven | ok, and of course the wheel |
| 20:35:38 | linuxstb | You have two hours, starting now. ;) |
| 20:35:43 | TheSeven | how's the bootloader doing? |
| 20:36:09 | linuxstb | I've just gone back to it now - going to try remapping IRAM and seeing if that makes the Apple firmware happy. |
| 20:38:19 | linuxstb | Although my Nano seems to be in a bad state - I can't restore the firmware partition... |
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| 20:39:28 | TheSeven | itunes refuses to do so? |
| 20:39:53 | linuxstb | Haven't tried itunes, just "dd" |
| 20:40:02 | TheSeven | oops, dd failing is really by |
| 20:40:04 | TheSeven | bas* |
| 20:40:06 | TheSeven | bad* |
| 20:40:09 | * | TheSeven can't type today |
| 20:40:23 | * | DerPapst can't type anytime |
| 20:40:24 | * | linuxstb tries a different USB cable... |
| 20:40:34 | * | TheSeven points at the FTL |
| 20:40:44 | TheSeven | probably it suffered a little from that NAND bug |
| 20:41:02 | TheSeven | but you should never get I/O errors while writing... |
| 20:41:58 | linuxstb | That's what I'm getting now... Before that, it was appearing to be successful, but when I read the contents back, they weren't what I wrote... |
| 20:42:35 | TheSeven | ouch |
| 20:42:42 | TheSeven | can you still boot ibugger? |
| 20:42:54 | linuxstb | I can't boot anything... |
| 20:43:06 | TheSeven | "use itunes to restore"? |
| 20:43:39 | linuxstb | Ah no, if I just use "dd" by itself, I get I/O errors, but if I use my usual "bs=32k", then it appears to work, but doesn't... |
| 20:43:55 | TheSeven | try bs=2048 |
| 20:44:09 | linuxstb | I/O error |
| 20:44:27 | * | linuxstb starts to wonders about that DFU mode... |
| 20:44:38 | TheSeven | at which sector? |
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| 20:45:30 | * | TheSeven wonders if he should have a shot at making a DFU-based ibugger |
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| 20:46:27 | linuxstb | TheSeven: "185+0 records in; 184+0 records out" (that's with bs=2048) |
| 20:46:41 | TheSeven | this sounds recoverable |
| 20:47:16 | TheSeven | try flashing one of my iloader images |
| 20:47:28 | TheSeven | this should be bootable if it fails at that position |
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| 20:51:46 | linuxstb | TheSeven: OK, iloader is back... |
| 20:52:04 | TheSeven | i hope it can boot ibugger? |
| 20:52:26 | linuxstb | Yes, I'm in ibugger... |
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| 20:54:20 | TheSeven | OK, i sent you a link to an evil file |
| 20:54:49 | TheSeven | this will erase the FTL superblock, which should make it reinitialize the whole flash on the next boot |
| 20:55:06 | TheSeven | if you're lucky, you'll end up in disk mode some seconds after executing that |
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| 20:55:17 | TheSeven | (and you should be able to write properly again) |
| 20:55:54 | linuxstb | So I upload to 0x08000000 and execute 0x08000020 ? |
| 20:56:07 | TheSeven | just control.py run resetftl.bin |
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| 20:56:39 | linuxstb | I've modified your code though... Let me unzip a new version.... |
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| 20:57:10 | TheSeven | you can also do startup, and then upload and execute like you said above |
| 20:57:41 | linuxstb | It's OK, I unzipped a fresh ibugger |
| 20:58:14 | linuxstb | OK, it rebooted, now on an apple logo... |
| 20:58:21 | linuxstb | And now disk mode... |
| 20:58:44 | linuxstb | And the disk appears to be all zeros... |
| 20:58:51 | TheSeven | sounds good |
| 20:58:55 | * | linuxstb starts the recovery process... |
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| 21:01:26 | linuxstb | TheSeven: A dd with bs=2048 seems to be working fine... So I think it's alive again. |
| 21:02:03 | TheSeven | lucky... i would say that was the first semi-brick |
| 21:02:34 | TheSeven | this increases the number of issues on my todo list to 3 |
| 21:02:53 | TheSeven | i should get that FTL mode working... |
| 21:03:05 | TheSeven | DFU mode* |
| 21:03:21 | TheSeven | gevaerts: ping |
| 21:03:24 | shotofadds | kugel: that looks good to me. could still do with a way of getting thicker slider for touch use though. |
| 21:03:35 | shotofadds | is it worth trying to use the skinned progress bar for screens like this? |
| 21:03:55 | gevaerts | TheSeven: yes? |
| 21:04:34 | kugel | shotofadds: most definitely :) |
| 21:04:45 | kugel | I mean, the old scrollbars are ugly |
| 21:05:12 | linuxstb | TheSeven: Apple firmware now booted... ;) |
| 21:05:31 | shotofadds | kugel: absolutely agree. I wonder if mr someone knows anything about drawing them ;-) |
| 21:06:15 | TheSeven | gevaerts: i consider having a try at s5l8701 usb |
| 21:07:22 | kugel | shotofadds: gui_bitmap_scrollbar_draw(), it needs a bitmap you need to have buffered somehow before |
| 21:09:16 | TheSeven | gevaerts: however usb-drv-arc.c seems to have more similarity to an EHCI controller than to a simple usb gadget, if i flick through that code |
| 21:09:39 | TheSeven | seems to be a very sophisticated controller... so which apis do i actually need to implement for the s5l8701 one? |
| 21:10:30 | kugel | shotofadds: do you have other paces in mind where this function would be useful? |
| 21:11:13 | kugel | this function = action_get_touchscreen_press() bound a viewport |
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| 21:11:34 | shotofadds | kugel: not specifically, as I've only just started looking into GUI things. |
| 21:11:45 | gevaerts | TheSeven: the arc is indeed probably not the best example. usb-tcc.c (mostly?) works I think, as does usb-jz4740.c, and those are probably a lot more similar to the s5l8701 |
| 21:11:49 | * | kugel needs to get a touchscreen target |
| 21:13:34 | DerPapst | isn't the mini2440 a touchscreen target? |
| 21:14:22 | gevaerts | TheSeven: you need most or all of usb_drv.h |
| 21:15:55 | kugel | DerPapst: yea |
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| 21:24:39 | kkurbjun | TheSeven: I tried to document the public/private api calls in the m66591 usb driver |
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| 21:29:02 | ShapeShifter499 | hi |
| 21:29:44 | ShapeShifter499 | I'm back, any noticeable changes to rockbox for ipod nano 2gen version? |
| 21:30:25 | DerPapst | check the revision log :P |
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| 21:31:38 | ShapeShifter499 | where? |
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| 21:32:37 | Utchybann | ShapeShifter499: www.rockbox.org |
| 21:32:54 | ShapeShifter499 | -.- |
| 21:32:56 | shotofadds | kugel: any idea how to expose the progress bar bitmap data to screens other than the wps? I think it'd be useful in several places, but I'm a bit out of my depth when I look at skin_* :/ |
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| 21:34:08 | ShapeShifter499 | I should really pay attention to things |
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| 21:38:39 | topik | shutting down working on the nano 2g is kinda nice |
| 21:46:00 | ShapeShifter499 | is r23115 for nano 2gen free of most FTL errors now? |
| 21:47:47 | topik | free of known ftl issues i'd say |
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| 22:05:00 | kugel | shotofadds: should be doable, but it's probably going to be hackish; also: a) the progressbar of the wps might be too small, b) there's more than 1 skin (custom statusbar, radio) in the future |
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| 22:11:50 | CIA-85 | New commit by kugel (r23116): Add a action helper for touchscreen targets to only receive the touchpress coordinates if they're in the passed viewport. Also, fixes the coordinates ... |
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| 22:15:24 | CIA-85 | New commit by tomers (r23117): RTL: Cosmetic changes, no functional change - Rename constants |
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| 22:19:12 | gevaerts | where does that yellow come from? |
| 22:20:45 | JdGordon | shotofadds: they should stay seperate for each screen... |
| 22:20:55 | JdGordon | i.e loaded more than once maybe |
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| 22:23:43 | shotofadds | JdGordon: maybe not per screen, but some kind of "system" progress bar bitmap would be nice. There are lots of places it could be used (eq, colour chooser, "busy" slider). Hell, even the menu scollbars... |
| 22:24:00 | * | gevaerts is really impressed by kugel's apparent ability to get yellow from totally unrelated bits |
| 22:32:52 | kugel | gevaerts: lol |
| 22:35:17 | kugel | gevaerts: good that I was testing the onda747 sim, and didn't get this warning |
| 22:36:57 | gevaerts | I get it here |
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| 22:39:36 | kugel | touched that file, still no warning |
| 22:40:18 | gevaerts | Try removing apps/plugins/lua/actions.lua (from the build dir) |
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| 22:44:24 | TheSeven | tomers: did you already hear of the suspicion that one of your RTL patches caused that clock jumping issue? |
| 22:45:28 | tomers | TheSeven: I thought it was fixed... What do you mean 'jumping'. Does the time/date changed? |
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| 22:46:09 | TheSeven | no, the clock display in the statusbar sometimes just decided to go to the left side of the bar for LTR languages |
| 22:46:24 | ShapeShifter499 | on r23115-091011 the database for music doesn't work |
| 22:47:24 | TheSeven | but yes, that may be fixed, didn't see it for some time, just wanted to bring that up again because i was not sure if you heard of it |
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| 22:47:45 | tomers | TheSeven: I think kugel fixed it. I'll check that soon |
| 22:49:28 | CIA-85 | New commit by tomers (r23118): Revert r23021, since it broke non-RTL scrolling. RTL scrolling still needs fixing |
| 22:50:13 | tomers | Ooopss, a typo! I reverted r23022... Can the SVN log be changed? |
| 22:50:39 | tomers | There are still issues with non-RTL scrolling, though |
| 22:50:43 | Dege | ShapeShifter499: on r23115 the playlist work great for me |
| 22:51:08 | ShapeShifter499 | hmm... |
| 22:51:19 | gevaerts | kugel: I think I found it |
| 22:51:39 | ShapeShifter499 | well maybe its because I built it from svn |
| 22:51:45 | * | gevaerts will wait for the current build to finish before committing |
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| 22:54:08 | ShapeShifter499 | what is more stable? building from svn or grabbing the current build? Or does it matter? |
| 22:54:26 | bertrik_ | no |
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| 22:55:03 | TheSeven | i think grabbing the current build, but only if your build setup is broken |
| 22:55:23 | kugel | gevaerts: that doesn't even force a recompilation. what does lua have to do with it? |
| 22:55:38 | gevaerts | kugel: are you running make bin? |
| 22:55:49 | CIA-85 | New commit by gevaerts (r23119): Make sure to use $(CFLAGS) to get all defines when preprocessing actions.h |
| 22:55:58 | ShapeShifter499 | how do I tell if my setup maybe messed up? should I get an error? |
| 22:56:30 | * | gevaerts expects either all green or lots of red now |
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| 22:57:10 | TheSeven | ShapeShifter499: by comparing the results you get to the current build |
| 22:58:07 | kugel | gevaerts: oh indeed |
| 22:59:19 | kugel | gevaerts: CFLAGS, not PLUGINFLAGS? |
| 22:59:53 | ShapeShifter499 | and can erasing all files built and downloaded from svn "reset" setup? |
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| 23:00:06 | gevaerts | kugel: I want the ones that say which target you're compiling |
| 23:00:49 | linuxstb | saratoga: What's Rockbox HE-AAC support like? What speed CPU does it need? |
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| 23:01:14 | saratoga | linuxstb: IIRC it takes about 110MHz on top of the AAC-LC time to decode |
| 23:01:17 | saratoga | on PP |
| 23:01:21 | saratoga | but otherwise it works |
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| 23:01:30 | saratoga | it wouldn't be hard to make it a lot faster though i think |
| 23:01:36 | kugel | gevaerts: I think PLUGINFLAGS does this, and a few more. but I'm not sure |
| 23:02:01 | kugel | "PLUGINFLAGS = -I$(APPSDIR)/plugins -DPLUGIN $(CFLAGS)" |
| 23:02:09 | linuxstb | saratoga: OK, so the Nano2G's 200MHz CPU should cope? |
| 23:02:18 | saratoga | most of the time is spent in various QMF/PQF code, which is already optimized in other codecs |
| 23:02:25 | saratoga | linuxstb: yes it should be more then fast enough |
| 23:02:35 | saratoga | eventually I want to do AAC-HE on PP |
| 23:02:47 | gevaerts | kugel: I doubt we actually need more than CFLAGS here |
| 23:04:07 | linuxstb | saratoga: Looks like Apple only support it with the most recent ipods (Fall 2009 and iPhone OS 3.1) - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/High-Efficiency_Advanced_Audio_Coding#Decoding |
| 23:04:11 | gevaerts | kugel: the thing is preprocessing apps/action.h, so no apps/plugins code is even involved |
| 23:04:39 | kugel | well, it compiles for a plugin |
| 23:04:43 | saratoga | yeah Apple does not seem to care for HE, presumably because its not very useful and rather expensive to license |
| 23:04:55 | kugel | imagine an acion is #ifndef PLUGIN .. #endif |
| 23:05:06 | gevaerts | it doesn't actually compile |
| 23:05:09 | kugel | actions.lua would have it, even though plugins should not have that |
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| 23:08:26 | gevaerts | I'm not sure... |
| 23:08:35 | gevaerts | feel free to change it if you want to |
| 23:10:19 | TheSeven | linuxstb: I had a quick shot at DFU-iBugger, but it didn't work out of the box |
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| 23:12:07 | CIA-85 | New commit by rob (r23120): D2: Reduce binsize a bit by using arrays for the PMU initialisation. |
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| 23:15:21 | linuxstb | TheSeven: I couldn't even get it to enter DFU mode... |
| 23:15:33 | linuxstb | (I was probably doing it wrongly though - I didn't try that hard) |
| 23:15:43 | TheSeven | norboot dfu is easy, bootrom dfu is a little harder |
| 23:18:36 | linuxstb | How is norboot dfu entered? |
| 23:23:19 | TheSeven | left+play |
| 23:24:07 | linuxstb | When? I've been trying that, and it doesn't work... |
| 23:24:26 | TheSeven | like disk mode |
| 23:24:50 | TheSeven | there are some reports that it only works while connected on some ipods |
| 23:25:47 | linuxstb | No, I can't seem to enter it, regardless of whether it's connected or not... |
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| 23:26:08 | linuxstb | But it doesn't matter, hopefully I'll never need to... |
| 23:27:23 | linuxstb | TheSeven: BTW, I think you've reverted my change to usb-s5l8700.c |
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| 23:28:44 | TheSeven | oops? i didn't mean to commit this... |
| 23:28:48 | amiconn | kugel: er... you pinged? |
| 23:28:54 | TheSeven | where did it slip in? |
| 23:29:08 | linuxstb | r23099 |
| 23:29:27 | linuxstb | I assumed it was an accident, even though you don't like it ;) |
| 23:29:34 | TheSeven | indeed. |
| 23:29:45 | TheSeven | well, i did revert it locally because i didn't like it |
| 23:29:50 | linuxstb | So what would you like it to do? |
| 23:30:23 | TheSeven | keep it like it is for me :-) it's more convenient for development that way, i think |
| 23:30:28 | saratoga | just implement real USB mode |
| 23:30:39 | CIA-85 | New commit by kugel (r23121): Use PLUGINFLAGS in lua.make, instead of only CFLAGS. |
| 23:30:55 | linuxstb | I find it more convenient for development to have it reboot to disk mode, so I can copy a new build without button presses... |
| 23:32:38 | TheSeven | i usually never unplug mine (except for power management tests) |
| 23:35:09 | kugel | amiconn: I have a patch to clean up debug menu a bit, by moving some stuff into the target tree (as newer targets all do) |
| 23:35:24 | kugel | I started with sh, would you like to test |
| 23:35:28 | kugel | ? |
| 23:35:44 | amiconn | hrrm |
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| 23:37:27 | linuxstb | kugel: Ah, nice. I was horrified by debug_menu.c when I touched it the other day... |
| 23:37:49 | kugel | linuxstb: yea I saw that, you're not the first/only one |
| 23:38:15 | * | amiconn still isn't convinced that moving this stuff to target tree is a good idea |
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| 23:38:52 | linuxstb | amiconn: Why not? One downside I can see is that it can't use the apps GUI stuff... |
| 23:39:21 | amiconn | Another downside is that the code gets out of sight, so a cleanup becomes less and less likely |
| 23:39:22 | kugel | the debug code I touched is highly target (or rather arch specific in the SH case), so target tree fits |
| 23:39:51 | kugel | what cleanup do you mean? |
| 23:40:19 | amiconn | Imo some of the debug stuff should be thrown out |
| 23:40:56 | linuxstb | Isn't that visible from using the debug menu in Rockbox? i.e. you don't need to see the code to see dead stuff. |
| 23:41:04 | kugel | I only touched dbg_hw_info and dbg_ports, which is in target tree for all new targets since PP |
| 23:41:46 | linuxstb | But I guess a lot of it would make sense in "debug_*" plugins (similar to the test_* ones, not built by default) |
| 23:45:47 | kugel | amiconn: would be nice if you give it a go: http://pastie.org/650803 |
| 23:47:26 | kugel | linuxstb: re apps stuff, maybe it would be better to make the target tree debug functions as push functions for vnprintf (see http://svn.rockbox.org/viewvc.cgi?view=rev;revision=22462) |
| 23:49:03 | kugel | then have normal apps code making a menu with scrollbar etc from the data coming from it |
| 23:50:37 | kugel | vfnprintf* |
| 23:51:02 | amiconn | For some debug screens that doesn't make sense |
| 23:51:54 | kugel | which? |
| 23:52:06 | amiconn | E.g. ports debug - you usually use that to figure out buttons. So this screen itself should react to as few buttons as possible (basically only an exit button, and even that should only exit on release) |
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| 23:52:45 | kugel | hrm true |
| 23:52:50 | amiconn | Other examples are those screens showing graphical statistics (battery, buffering) |
| 23:53:03 | kugel | I wasn't talking about those |
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