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#rockbox log for 2009-10-18

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00:13:47*TheSeven needs gevaerts' vote on what to do about this, as he's the USB guru.
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00:19:34TheSevenHighspeed UMS working!
00:19:55TheSevenit's still pretty slow because of the inefficient FTL implementation, but at least it works!
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00:22:29linuxstbTheSeven: congratulations!
00:22:51TheSevenbut i won't commit it :-P
00:23:12TheSevenat least not until gevaerts has told me what to do about it, as it needs a pretty questionable change in the USB core
00:23:26TheSeven(which may very well break other targets)
00:24:13TheSevennot sure what the "right way" there is. I consider the way it's currently done a bug, but there are reasons why one could want it to be like this.
00:28:52linuxstbTheSeven: Probably best to post a patch and see what others say...
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00:29:40TheSevenI'll first commit some other things I need as a base for it, i.e. MMU fixes
00:30:49TheSevenah, forgot I have that slow internet connection right now
00:31:05TheSevenI would need to update first, which I just can't do right now
00:31:59TheSevenlet's see if we can do it by only updating some relevant files
00:32:47CIA-85New commit by theseven (r23237): Adjust iPod Nano 2G CPU speed to 192MHz, which measurements show it to be. Timers will be more accurate now.
00:33:07TheSevenwow. that 2kiB commit needed 11 seconds to upload!
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01:00:50CIA-85New commit by theseven (r23238): Implement iPod Nano 2G nand_get_info()
01:06:46CIA-85New commit by theseven (r23239): Fix S5L870x cache coherency functions. They were split into a different file, as changes were needed all over the place.
01:08:52CIA-85New commit by theseven (r23240): Add dcache cleaning to the S5L870x PCM driver.
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01:10:11saratogaare the keys for the virtual keyboard anywhere in the manual?
01:11:22saratogait would appear that they are not
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01:15:27*TheSeven will now have a look at how to improve the NAND caching things
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01:22:25pixelmasaratoga: they are
01:23:21pixelmain the browsing and playing chapter
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01:25:21bertrikI see several places where current_tick is compared directly to some deadline value, I plan to make those wrap-safe by using the TIME_BEFORE and TIME_AFTER macros
01:25:22*TheSeven should read that manual some day, too
01:28:54TheSevenbertrik: where?
01:29:39bertrik./firmware/common/timefuncs.c:67: if (current_tick > timeout)
01:29:39bertrik./apps/tagcache.c:355: if (current_tick >= wakeup_tick)
01:29:39bertrik for example
01:30:23saratogapixelma: ah its only in there for some targets
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01:32:44*gevaerts tries to understand exactly what the he problem is TheSeven is complaining about
01:33:32pixelmasaratoga: where is it missing?
01:34:02TheSevengevaerts: what's the intended way to re-setup the default control pipe for receiving the next control packet?
01:34:30TheSevenas i don't see an api for this, i'm assuming it should automatically be done when a packet is being received
01:34:37TheSevenis that correct?
01:34:45gevaertsI think so
01:34:56TheSevenok, then there is a bug in usb_core.
01:35:11gevaertsyou mean it was a trick question? ;)
01:35:29pixelmasaratoga: aha, I guess the Fuze manual isn't as advanced as others yet
01:35:38saratogathe keymaps are in for it
01:35:41saratogai wonder why it doesn't show
01:36:13TheSeventhe problem is that the control pipe will be set up for a SETUP receive. then a descriptor will be sent, and then recv() will be called, to receive a DATA1 packet.
01:36:52saratogai don't have tex installed but perhaps theres a compile error or warning on that section?
01:37:01TheSevenif this recv() manages to reach the usb controller in time, everything is fine. but if the USB controller still thinks it's supposed to receive a SETUP packet when the ACK comes in, it will respond with STALL
01:37:35TheSeven(instead of the way intended by the USB specs, answering with NAK until the receive request is there)
01:38:40TheSevenhowever, this means that the recv() must be set up within a few microseconds, and some debugging code (logf-based) was slowing it down enough to make it exceed that
01:39:25TheSevenso the easiest solution probably is to move the request for the ACK from the host above the transmission of the actual descriptor (or whatever is being sent).
01:39:28*gevaerts tries to follow the code
01:39:47TheSeventhis fixed it for me, after hunting that weird lockup-when-debugging issue for days
01:40:13TheSeven(this still doesn't explain why it did lock up, but at least it was the root cause of it)
01:40:22pixelmasaratoga: no - there are two tables - one for targets which only moving on the input line if you "step" on it (called "picker area") and others that also have keys for that. That's why they are \opts around either of the two tables and the fuze isn't in any of the two opts
01:40:54saratogaso it just needs to be added?
01:41:17TheSevenso I'm suggesting to move lines 614 and 615 upwards in that code, between lines 602 and 603
01:41:53TheSeven(I'm talking about usb_core.c... there also be some more locations that have the same bug, but this one was most critical)
01:41:53pixelmasaratoga: yes to one of the two, provided that the keymap file (the tex one) has all the \ActionBlah that are needed
01:42:03saratogait looks like it does
01:42:10saratogathe entry is nearly identical to the e200
01:42:12saratogabut i can't test here
01:42:33saratogaassuming keymap-fuze is all thats needed anyway
01:43:47TheSevens/there/there may/
01:44:01gevaertsTheSeven: I'm not entirely convinced it's that simple. Is that allowed for both directions?
01:44:56TheSeventhe problem will come up with every non-SETUP packet received by the device
01:45:18pixelmasaratoga: if you don't find another person, I can try tomorrow but am about to go to sleep. Feel free to remind me, not as late as now though
01:45:24TheSevenso this should only happen for control transactions that have a DATA IN stage
01:46:30gevaertsTheSeven: yes. We probably need to split the usb_core_ack_control() function I guess
01:47:35TheSevenor just add a parameter to the usb_drv_send function that indicates that a 0-byte DATA OUT is to follow
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01:48:17gevaertspossibly, or make a usb_drv_send_control() that does that
01:48:33gevaertsI'd prefer not to export this complication to non-control
01:48:52TheSevenit will only happen for EP0 anyways
01:49:25TheSevenso you got what the issue is? then I'll go to sleep now
01:49:33gevaertsdo we ever want usb_drv_send() on EP0 without the 0-byte DATA OUT?
01:49:58mc2739saratoga: I can test manual changes if you need
01:50:40TheSevencan you check how the other drivers handle that? I'm somehow thinking they are probably just fast enough for this to stay hidden
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01:51:20TheSeventhis seems to have disappeared for me, too, now that I have disabled debugging again, but this definitely needs to be fixed
01:51:55gevaertsI'll try to look at this tomorrow. My brain is just awake enough to see that there is a problem, but not to exactly understand all nuances
01:52:03TheSevenimposing an unneccessary realtime requirement in the microsecond range isn't good at all.
01:52:12TheSevenyes, mine too
01:52:24gevaertsdefinitely not. Any timing constraint should go
01:54:00gevaertsI'm not sure if all controllers will like a recv() on EP0 before sending
01:54:20TheSevenyes, that's why i'm asking you what to do about this :-)
01:55:02gevaertsthe answer is: I don't know... I've only ever really looked at the ARC. I can test ARC and tcc here
01:55:04TheSevenbut we really should look at that tomorrow, I'm almost falling asleep after a long day of hunting this
01:55:13gevaertsgood idea
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02:04:59*midgey is planning to commit his changes to lang format for translatable plugins
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02:13:45midgey for anyone interested
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02:17:05n1smidgey: that's great
02:17:15n1s \o/
02:17:28midgeyslowly but surely i'm merging it in...
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02:21:36midgeyafter committing that, the only changes to the core will should be adding functions to the plugin api and some makefile stuff
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02:53:13metalman1253does anybody know how to fix the database on ipod nano 2g
02:54:03mc2739metalman1253: what is happening?
02:54:50metalman1253it initilizes fine but then on boot it panics hold on let me recreate it to get the message
02:55:21mc2739do you have dircache turned on?
02:56:07metalman1253wait nevermind i guess installing iloader fixed it
02:56:45CIA-85New commit by midgey34 (r23241): Change the .lng files to contain strings from multiple users. Still hard-coded to only output the core strings for now. Should be the majority of the ...
02:57:04mc2739ok, if it comes back see:
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03:05:59metalman1253ok i tried it on my other nano 2g but its not working it has something to do with having disktidy set to clean all items and then that panics then when i booted up again it just worked
03:07:58mc2739metalman1253: if you can reproduce the problem, please post a bug report on flyspray with all details.
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03:38:51sintheteki am not sure why but my wps isn't displaying properly anymore
03:39:27sinthetekfor some reason everything but the track progress-bar is scrambled-looking
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03:52:40mc2739sinthetek: what revision of Rockbox are you using?
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03:59:24yelpedCan someone please check out this bug and see if it happens on all targets? Mp3encoder encodes squirell-voice-files.
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05:22:21sinthetekmc2739 nm, i reinstalled over it and it works fine now
05:22:37sinthetekit was just something corrupted with that specific theme i believe
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06:14:18CIA-85New commit by mc2739 (r23242): Add Fuze virtual keyboard keymap chart to manual
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08:28:33sliverchairhi, I'm gonna buy a Sony E-series walkman today since there's no available Sansa or iRiver here just iPods
08:30:50sliverchairany comment on this? NWZ-E436 vs. iPod Nano 4G?
08:36:41robin0800sliverchair most of the players rockbox runs on can be found on e-bay or other refurbished/bankrupt stock website
08:37:28sliverchairrobin0800, hmm, got no experience with shipping internationally
08:38:12sliverchairrobin0800, is there any reason why I shouldn't buy NWZ-E436 over an Nano 4g?
08:39:00robin0800sliverchair: no idea
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08:40:43mc2739sliverchair: that's not really on topic for this channel since Rockbox does not currently run on either of those devices
08:41:47sliverchairmc2739, any plans on porting rockbox for Walkman e-series? if not, it's still technically possible right, so there's still hope
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08:43:28mc2739There are no "plans" to port to any device. It is possible that a port could happen, but only if users with that device are interested in doing the work.
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09:44:04webguest74hi. can any 1 help whenever i click on ROMs there are no ROMs?
09:44:48mc2739webguest74: what ROMs are you looking for?
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09:45:09webguest74i usually play pokemon on the ipod and all of a sudden no games are there
09:46:24mc2739webguest74: go to your quickscreen and make sure it is set for "supported" or "all" files
09:48:56webguest74thanks alot
09:49:10mc2739you're welcome
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11:50:18TheSevengevaerts: ping
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12:03:33casainhoJdGordon: hello :-) −− could you flash the Rockbox bootloader already? And do you have a JTAG cable working?
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12:39:46n1slinuxstb: ping
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12:45:34n1sTheSeven: it just hit me that i probably botched my change to the note generator and that's why it didn't work
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12:57:34n1syeah, that was it /me facepalnms
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13:26:11amiconnTheSeven: Does that wrong order of things potentially affect all transfers, or just enumeration?
13:26:51amiconnI'm asking because the rockbox usb stack has problems with occasional resets on PP as well
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13:50:13TheSevenamiconn: fixing it for "get descriptor" requests alone seemed stable for me, but i can't guarantee that there aren't other places where this is done wrong as well
13:50:33TheSevenhowever, it will only affect control traffic on EP0, not bulk traffic
13:51:07TheSevenbut requests like getmaxlun are also done through that control pipe, so it may as well have an impact after enumeration
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14:08:07gevaertsTheSeven: pong
14:08:21TheSevengevaerts: ack
14:08:40gevaertsamiconn: the remaining occasional PP resets don't seem at all related to this
14:09:03gevaertsTheSeven: have you seen ?
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14:09:26*TheSeven starts loading that page over his slow line
14:09:54gevaertsTheSeven: also FS #10684 apparently
14:10:00TheSevenoh, nice one. I'll look into this
14:10:21TheSevendid you have any further thoughts on how to solve that usb issue?
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14:12:12gevaertsno, I managed to keep the issue out of my mind all this time
14:14:14gevaertsmaybe the proper solution is to move most of the control handling out of usb_core.c and into the drivers
14:14:35*gevaerts just thinks out loud at the moment
14:16:30TheSevengevaerts: this would increase the amount of work needed to be done to implement new controllers
14:17:08TheSevenon the other hand, i already have another quirk where I need to bypass usb_core's handling of the SET_ADDRESS command, and I remember seeing something similar in the tcc driver
14:17:09gevaertstrue, but this seems to be an area where controllers have different expectations from software
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14:25:12UtchybannTheSeven: it seems that your latest commit introduce some sound play back artifact.
14:25:52TheSevenfunny. actually it should prevent them.
14:26:11UtchybannTheSeven: I have switched back to r23230 and get a clear sound again.
14:26:31TheSevenwhat kind of artifact?
14:27:19UtchybannTheSeven: artifact are very similar to those of vinyl records.
14:27:49UtchybannTheSeven: I got them for both mp3 and flac.
14:28:51TheSevenoh yes, there is some light popping action :-/
14:30:15TheSevenI'll now commit my latest nand changes, and then I'll have a look at those PCM issues
14:30:45*gevaerts likes those issues. They give him time to think about the USB thing :)
14:32:39UtchybannTheSeven: I follow your USB progress so sorry to disturb you with PCM issues :D
14:33:13TheSevenMy USB progress is currently blocking on gevaerts anyways :-D
14:33:46*TheSeven wonders if this popping is related to FS #10684
14:36:19CIA-85New commit by theseven (r23243): iPod Nano 2G storage performance improved by not copying around buffers unneccessarily if they are aligned anyways and using cache coherency functions ...
14:37:40*TheSeven hopes no further NAND trouble will arise from this
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14:38:51gevaertsTheSeven: if we move the recv(EP0,0) to the driver, to be done together with the send(EP0,whatever), drivers can do it before or after the transmit depending on what the hardware can handle
14:39:44TheSevenso you would vote for a usb_drv_sendrecv0 function?
14:39:58TheSeven(or whatever you would like to call it)
14:40:16gevaertsif we do that, at least for arc doing the recv() after the send() will be less easy than doing it before, so I hope the hardware can handle before
14:40:56gevaertsI would actually do it in usb_drv_send(). I don't think any EP0 transmit will ever not want the 0-byte receive
14:41:03TheSevenin theory every hardware should be able to handle that, as they're independant endpoints
14:41:31TheSevengevaerts: what about EP0 transmits that are 0-byte ACKs themselves?
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14:41:50gevaertsah yes, those should be filtered out as well
14:42:03gevaertsso ep==0, direction==IN, length>0
14:42:26TheSevendirection==IN should be implied by the fact that it's a send() function :-)
14:43:09gevaertshm, good point :)
14:43:38TheSeven(even though this may look backwards to people who don't know USB :-P )
14:44:39gevaertsif we assume that all controllers can handle this, maybe we should provide wrappers for send and receive in usb_core.c that do all this?
14:45:27TheSevenwhat's the point in that?
14:45:55gevaertsmaking drivers two lines shorter
14:46:21TheSevencouldn't we just reverse the order we're doing things in the core then?
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14:48:56funmanTheSeven: do you know you can get details on the caches of s5l8701 by reading cp15 register 0, cache type ?
14:49:30TheSevenfunman: It looks like whatever the 940T spec says is correct
14:49:44funmandoes it say cache line size is 16 bytes ?
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14:50:15funmanperhaps we could define cache line and keep the code in common
14:50:34TheSevenwhich code?
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14:51:04TheSeventhis would be an ifdef hell
14:51:11funmanwell not really
14:51:16funmanmore like add r0, r0, CACHE_LINE
14:51:16gevaertsTheSeven: that would imply doing it explicitely, but maybe that's better
14:51:22*gevaerts prepares a patch
14:52:02funmanalso invalidating the entire dcache while you could invalidate only a range is quite slow no ?
14:52:42TheSevenfunman: can I invalidate a range?
14:53:00funmanyes, see invalidate_dcache_range()
14:53:10TheSevenas far as i can tell, that's one of the things needing to be ifdef'ed out because this core doesn't support it
14:53:59TheSeveni can only kick cache lines out, not cache tags
14:54:10funmanah you can't use MVA :/
14:54:38funmani assumed since 940 > 922 it would be possible like on the arm922tdmi
14:55:20funmanthen yeah it makes sense to have these functions separated
14:55:51funmanideally they should be separated as mmu-arm940.S mmu-armv6.S ..
14:56:55TheSeveni would rather consider mmu-armv4.S and mmu-armv6.S
14:56:57funmandidn't you mention that 940T has no mmu ?
14:57:34TheSevenfunman: no real MMU in terms of remapping, but of course it has cache coherency stuff, which is in a "mmu-xyz" file by rockbox design
14:57:46funmanrockbox design is flexible ;)
14:58:39TheSevenin fact, calling it "cp15-armv4.S" would make more sense, and adding things to define memory regions and protection stuff, that's currently done in crt0.S
14:58:42amiconnmmu-armv4.S would be wrong
14:58:58amiconnARM7TDMI is armv4 as well, but has no mmu
14:59:20TheSeventhis thing doesn't have a real MMU either, just cache stuff
14:59:23amiconnIt doesn't have CP15 either, which is what this caching stuff is about
14:59:36TheSevenso it doesn't have any caches at all=
14:59:42amiconnIt does
15:00:01amiconnPP controls its caches by a proprietary method
15:02:30*TheSeven just spotted an s5l870x DMA bug
15:05:28TheSevenbertrik: ping
15:05:42bertrikTheSeven, hi
15:06:04TheSevenbertrik: is anything besides PCM actually using the s5l870x DMA right now?
15:06:18bertrikno I don't think so
15:06:50TheSeventhe problem is that this is only restarted on whole completion currently, which is resulting in some popping action as it isn't fast enough
15:07:06TheSevensounds like we need some double buffering there
15:07:16CIA-85New commit by funman (r23244): Split ARMv6 code from mmu-arm.S
15:07:33bertrikI thought the I2S has some buffering
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15:07:46TheSevenbertrik: obviously not enough
15:08:09bertrikto allow it continue playing while we set up the next DMA
15:08:20TheSevenit's only buffering a single sample of one channel
15:08:41*gevaerts grumbles about things being complicated
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15:09:32bertrikTheSeven, what is the maximum gap you can tolerate without playback gaps?
15:09:34funmangit-svn doesn't have an equivalent for svn cp :/
15:10:20TheSevenbertrik: currently around 10 to 20 µS
15:10:22bertrikoh, one sample is obviously not enough ... :)
15:10:27TheSevenwhich is clearly too small
15:11:57funmanTheSeven: what do you think of renaming s5l8700/mmu-* to caching-* ?
15:12:27bertrikI thought the IIS had some buffering
15:12:29funmanmmu-target.h is only used inside the target folder (those functions are already defined in another header)
15:12:46TheSevenbertrik: the wmcodec maybe has, but not the I2S controller
15:12:47funmanhmm .. mmu-arm.h
15:13:10gevaertsTheSeven: it's the usb_drv_send()+expect ack change that needs to change, right?
15:13:39TheSevens/ack change/ack case/?
15:14:55TheSevengenerally, everything that needs to be received on EP0 which isn't a setup packet will need to call recv() before it can be sent from the host side, so before triggering it by sending something to the host
15:15:16TheSeventhis is the case for setup=>data=>ack-style requests, but maybe also other things... (getmaxlun?)
15:15:20amiconnTheSeven: Weird design. I'd expect a fifo for 8 or 16 samples
15:15:37gevaertsgetmaxlun is exactly the same as a get descriptor
15:16:02TheSevenamiconn: I can't say for sure that there is no such fifo, but the DS at least doesn't mention one
15:18:24TheSevenbertrik: spotted another nice bug in there: for (channel = 0; channel < 4; channel++) { if (DMAALLST & mask) {
15:18:29TheSeven...without shifting the mask!
15:18:41bertrikmask <<=4 is there somewhere IIRC
15:18:49TheSevenah, wait, it's shifted below
15:21:46bertriknot having any buffering in IIS is going to make things slightly more complicated ...
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15:34:53gevaertsTheSeven: FS #10687
15:39:42*gevaerts decides to also actually test that patch
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16:12:23gevaertshm "Features: : : : : : : : : : :albumart:backlight_brightness:backlight_fade_bool:dircache:disk_storage:hold_button:lcd_bitmap:lcd_non-mono:lcd_color:lcd_sleep:pitchscreen:quickscreen:remote:remote_lcd_invert:rtc:swcodec:tagcache:tc_ramcache:charging:usbstack:usb_hid:touchscreen:large_plugin_buffer"
16:12:56TheSevenwhat's that?
16:15:19gevaertsthat's from rockbox-info.txt on my mr500. Those blank features shouldn't be there I think
16:15:45funmandoesn't it have the feature_hiding feature ?
16:15:49gevaertsTheSeven: can you test if FS #10687 fixes your issues?
16:16:43gevaertsthen we only need to find mcuelenaere to test his drivers
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16:21:31TheSevenbertrik: and the s5l8701 DMA doesn't even seem to support auto-reloading!
16:24:27CIA-85New commit by gevaerts (r23245): Also filter lines with only spaces in apps/features. At least mr500 had those after the preprocessing step.
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16:30:16TheSevenbertrik: do you have any idea on how to resolve this?
16:30:40TheSevencan a FIQ interrupt an IRQ?
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16:52:59bertrikTheSeven, no sorry, don't know yet
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18:15:43*TheSeven now has very weird audio output
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18:17:17TheSevenbaaah, how do i stop the codecs from overwriting too much of the pcm buffer that hasn't been played yet!?
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19:26:18yelpedCan someone please check out this bug and see if it happens on all targets? Mp3encoder encodes squirell-voice-files.
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19:31:07duffrecordsI'm having trouble with my database. it starts building, then gets to a particular number of songs and stops there. has anyone else experienced this?
19:31:48kugelyea, many peoplpe
19:31:57kugelusually it comes across bad files
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19:36:37TheSevenanybody with a basic understanding of the pcmbuf here?
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19:43:22duffrecordskugel: what sort of bad files? incompatible format? something weird in the ID3 tag?
19:43:46kugelduffrecords: corrupted tags
19:45:16kugeldoes it show a filename in the database debug screen?
19:47:02duffrecordsno, Curfile is −−-
19:47:38duffrecordsbecause the only way out of the stuck screen is to press PREV, which I suppose cancels the rebuilding
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19:52:00*TheSeven finally has stable playback again, after an ugly hack
19:53:10pixelmahmm... on the themes site - I thought themes with RWPSs won't show up on subpages of targets with the same main screen resolution but without remote, am I wrong? The reason I ask is that there is an X5 theme with remote WPS that is listed on the big H10 theme page too
19:53:54pixelmaas far as I know the H10 even has a remote but a non-LCD one
19:55:48kugelduffrecords: you can find the file by putting a database.ignore in some folders that will skip adding the folder to the db
19:57:56duffrecordskugel: ok. I think I'll try that one at a time, going backwards by file modification date until I find it
19:59:49duffrecordsor by moving the folders into new A-M and N-Z folders, and so on, using a half-splitting method
20:00:58linuxstbduffrecords: It's also worth checking your filesystem for errors (e.g. chkdsk, fsck.vfat)
20:01:23duffrecordsor whatever has the best O(n) time
20:01:40duffrecordsyeah, I did a chkdsk and defrag
20:02:03duffrecordserrors are fixed, but the database still won't finish building
20:02:17kugelwhat target?
20:02:33duffrecordsiPod Video 30 GB
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20:15:51TheSevenok, dma refresh latencies are ~2µS now
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20:16:31TheSevenbut this needs some changes to pcmbuf.c
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20:26:37kkurbjunTheSeven: why does the S5L870X need separate cache coherency functions?
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20:32:16kugelTheSeven: the code in pcmbuf.c works for every other target, why does it need changing for nano2g?
20:42:02TheSevenkugel: the buffers in the s5l8701's i2s controller seem to be extremely small
20:42:35TheSeventhis means that the DMA refreshing is extremely latency-critical
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20:43:05TheSeventhe only solution to this that i can see is double-buffering audio output, and this needs some small changes
20:43:28polobricoloTheSeven: stupid question, isn't the audio already working
20:43:50TheSeventhere is some light clicking/popping action when refreshing the DMA
20:44:36TheSeventhe latest cache coherency changes (which increased refreshing latencies a little) made them clearly audible, so we need to do something about it
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20:45:46TheSevenand the whole lot of pcmbuf code seems to be too slow to pass me a new buffer in time (according to the datasheet, there is only a single sample of buffer in the I2S!)
20:46:42kkurbjunTheSeven: I was looking at the logs it is right that the cache coherency changes were split because of the cache line size, or are there other changes?
20:47:32TheSevenmost of the functions in the mmu-arm.S aren't applicable to that core at all
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20:49:04mc2739for any manual developers: Is it a known problem that the iAudio M3 manual does not build?
20:49:13kkurbjununderstood, but what are the functional differences for those particular instructions - I am curious because I thought I read somewhere that the cache line size is selectable when they are synthesizing the ARM core
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20:50:04kkurbjunin your particular case it will always be the same but, I was wondering if it would make more sense to split out the coherency functions and define the cache size in the soc include
20:50:24TheSevenmmu-arm.S seems to be written for an ARM6 core. the s5l870x is an ARM4 core (iiuc), but not all ARM4 cores have a cp15 at all, so a separate file for arm4 doesn't make too much sense either
20:51:27kugelTheSeven: it was originally for a v4 arm (922T)
20:51:50TheSevenbah, so this isn't even consistent among ARM4 cores...
20:51:51kkurbjunbut if you have a cp15 the cache coherency functions should be the same besides the variability in the cache line size for all v4's and v5's I believe
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20:52:16kugelTheSeven: various v4 targets use that file
20:52:31TheSevenkkurbjun: on the 922T you can flush memory regions, on the 940T you can't, for example
20:52:39TheSevenand then there is all this TTB stuff
20:54:08TheSevengevaerts: your USB patch is working fine for me
20:56:29kkurbjunTheSeven: linux is able to maintain the cache coherency functions by architecture - it looks like there are three variants for arm v4:
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20:58:33kkurbjunhmm, looking at the 940 assembly though it looks like they may have implemented separate from arch on the 940.
20:59:47gevaertsTheSeven: ok. As soon as mcuelenaere has tested on his targets, it can go in
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21:00:34TheSevenkkurbjun: cache-v4.S looks like a bunch of stubs, and the other ones are for write-back/write-through configuration of the cache
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21:06:59mrtok1someone here who can explain differences between COP and MAIN_CPU on ipod nano 1g ?
21:07:18TheSeventhat pp has 2 cores, right?
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21:09:53mrtok1symptons are: processing dsp function on MAIN_CPU -> sounds good , doing on COP artefacts occur
21:10:26linuxstbmrtok1: The problem is likely to be cache coherency between the two cores.
21:10:38linuxstb(they have independent caches)
21:11:04yelpedCan someone please check out why Mp3encoder doesn't work properly with 24000Hz files? Mp3encoder encodes squirell-voice-files.
21:11:06kkurbjunit looks like they do most if by the core version does the samsung yps3 use the sl5L870X
21:11:54kkurbjunlooks like it does
21:12:27linuxstbyelped: I think we've all see that now.... But that plugin is more or less abandoned - it was implemented as a first test before mp3 encoding was integrated into recording. It's poor quality at best.
21:12:57mrtok1linuxstb: okay - the idea is starting a thread on the cop, passing pointer to second channel to process, waiting for thread_exit - how to deal with 2 caches - do i have to update the COP cache manually?
21:14:23linuxstbmrtok1: I've never programmed it, but I believe you'll need to flush the cache on the main CPU and invalidate it for the COP (for memory shared between the two processors). Have you looked at other code using the COP - e.g. the mp3 decoder?
21:14:45pixelmalinuxstb: shouldn't the plugin be disabled then? Though I can imagine that the error is in something Fuze specific too...
21:14:51yelpedOh, because Recording is not enabled yet on the AMS Sansas, so meanwhile I was using the OF to record and when I wanted to save some space, I used the Mp3encoder. Thanks for the info!
21:15:32linuxstbpixelma: I don't know the state of it - Toni wrote it, and he's one of those committers who still commits occasionally, but is never around IRC.
21:15:43yelpedIt's also on the e200v1, which is not AMS, which means that it's on all targets.
21:16:04mrtok1linuxstb: yes - also had a short discussion with saratoga as you suggested
21:16:21linuxstbyelped: What samplerate is the WAV file?
21:16:59pixelmayelped: is it a wav file you recorded with the OF?
21:16:59yelped24000 Hz. I uploaded a sample file in the comments.
21:18:26mrtok1linuxstb: a saw all data in IRAM - but for a dsp function a dont want to copy all data
21:18:59mc2739pixelma: did you see my question earlier regarding the iAudio M3 manual?
21:19:18pixelmamc2739: no
21:19:29mc273920:49:04mc2739for any manual developers: Is it a known problem that the iAudio M3 manual does not build?
21:20:46pixelmamc2739: yes because the Iaudio M3 is a special case - it has controls but no display on the main unit - and there is an LCD remote
21:21:23polobricoloi keep having some "panic : scheduling bank 0 block **** for remap !
21:21:46TheSevensince when? and always bank 0?
21:21:49polobricoloany idea what is the problem (on a nano2g)
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21:22:28polobricoloTheSeven: i don't remember for the bank number but the block is different each time
21:22:56pixelmamc2739: I started to prepare some changes during DevCon but Real Life ™ kept me away from it for a while
21:22:57TheSevenwhen did this start to happen?
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21:23:07polobricoloand i have them since i have a RW FTL rockbox on my ipod
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21:23:49polobricolodoes it meen it plans a remap which is done by norboot ?
21:24:03mc2739pixelma: OK, I'll try to see if I can do anything with it.
21:24:21TheSevenno, it's having trouble reading a sector and wants to schedule that for remap, but as i don't trust this yet, it's ending up in a panic
21:24:27bertrik_markun, around? I'm looking for some advice on how to write to the m6 sp
21:25:01TheSevenand i bet this is not a bad block but rather a bug somewhere. did you even have that with stoneage NAND driver versions before power management was introduced?
21:25:06pixelmamc2739: you... want to give me some incentive?
21:25:07polobricoloit happens when i shut down rockbox or when i do a lot of writing on the flash (database init)
21:25:09TheSevenand how often does it happen?
21:25:39polobricoloTheSeven: i don't remember is there an svn revision i can test ?
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21:26:07polobricoloi would say one time out 5 shutdown
21:26:38mc2739pixelma: no, I'm just trying to get a better feel for the manuals and I thought the best way would be to dig into a real problem.
21:27:33mc2739pixelma: and I promise to not break it too much :)
21:28:14polobricolowhen (what svn revision) was the power management introduced in rockbox ?
21:28:48pixelmamc2739: if you are interested in the manuals - could you also take a look at LatexGuidelinesTalk and give an opinion about my suggestion/question (last item)?
21:29:09TheSevenpolobricolo: the revisions i suspect could have introduced the problems are 23099, 23106, 23115, 23126 or 23243
21:31:13mc2739pixelma: sure - looking now
21:32:09*polobricolo is testing revision 23098
21:32:12AlexPpixelma: I agree
21:32:50AlexPI just can't be bothered to make a start :)
21:34:49AlexPmc2739: The M3 manual is easy to make build (if somewhat time consuming) - the main problem is where buttons are referred to in the block text and not in button tables
21:35:29pixelmathe M3 manual builds for me... I just have to dig up my changes :\
21:35:39markunbertrik_: I'm here, but what kind of advice you need?
21:36:30bertrik_markun, I think I got it now, the M6 wouldn't power-on anymore and also not be reprogrammed but I managed to make it boot again
21:36:50markunyes, hold some key combo for a really long time :)
21:37:05markundon't remember which one, we should put them in the wiki for all 3 players :)
21:37:22bertrik_I tried power/play and BACK for about 30 seconds
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21:40:02tomerspixelma: ping
21:40:16saratogathe latest clip patch seems to work fairly well
21:40:23saratogaover an hour without a deadlock for me
21:41:34AlexPsaratoga: I tried with your debugging build and couldn't get it to crash at all
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21:42:16saratogaAlexP: the debugging builds are quite stable, but its just due to the logging code changing timings a lot
21:42:28AlexPah right
21:42:32pixelmahmm, I wonder - did I not commit those changes?
21:42:38pixelmatomers: pong
21:42:58saratogai usually just let the thing go overnight off USB power to get deadlocks when logging
21:42:58n1spixelma: svn st ? ;)
21:43:19saratogabut logs from old builds aren't interesting now that we have a new fix to look at
21:43:59pixelman1s: I'm not sure what I'm actually looking for (which changes were needed and what files (except the svg)
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21:44:08tomerspixelma: Regarding the USB HID feature in the manual, should I define an action for each USB HID action, and put all actions in each platform's file, or keep it the way I did, all platform's button definition in system_options.tex?
21:44:31saratogaAlexP: you could try the latest patch in FS #10605 and see if it works for you (without logging)
21:44:53CIA-85New commit by bertrik (r23247): S5l8700: fix some CLCD controller register names
21:44:56AlexPsaratoga: I'll give it a go tomorrow
21:45:52saratogai'm cautiously optimistic that matsch has found the source of the clip deadlocks
21:46:21saratogahes got quite a good eye to have found it in our buffering code
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21:47:31pixelmaMatsch? urgh... ;)
21:48:03saratoga Matthias Schneider
21:48:31saratogahas anyone ever benchmarked a FLAKE encoded FLAC file in Rockbox? looking at x86 benchmarks, they seem to decode MUCH slower
21:48:53pixelmajust read that, but Matsch is the German word for mud (and that's quite a German sounding name) </off-topic>
21:49:28saratogai assumed it was just short for Matthias
21:49:38mc2739pixelma: You may not have committed your changes, or something else broke the M3 manuals since there are no daily manual builds for the M3
21:50:56pixelmaI think I committed them and do a test build currently, there can be other reasons that it's not available as a daily. And even if it builds, I think it's fairly incomplete
21:51:24pixelmait doesn't
21:52:12pixelmabut it breaks in the pictureflow plugin, so gets quite far I think
21:53:00mc2739that is where it stopped for me, too
21:55:12linuxstbsaratoga: Do you have a link to those flake benchmarks?
21:55:45pixelmamc2739: that is further than the files my changes affected - and I see the error
21:56:24saratogaalthough from what I understand the CUDA enabled FLAKE can use even more aggressive encoding (since the GPU can do more extensive brute force searching of optimal codes or something)
21:57:10pixelmanow to find the correct "Select" button for pictureflow, due to pluginlib actions that's not easy :\
21:58:11saratogalinuxstb: I'll try a test file now
21:58:42linuxstbsaratoga: Yes, looks like flake is generating files with higher LPC orders, and that's giving a minimal compression advantage, with the disadvantage that it's much harder to decode.
22:00:44TheSevenlinuxstb: did you already do monkey's audio tests?
22:00:55TheSevenhow many % realtime are we?
22:01:26linuxstbTheSeven: No
22:01:57saratogaunfortunately I have only AMS devices in front of me and cannot test the file
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22:03:22saratogacompression level 12 in flake
22:04:06linuxstbI've just re-encoded with "flac -8", and it came out very slightly smaller (20581181 bytes vs 20599959 bytes) - maybe that's just metadata differences...
22:04:25saratogawhen I did it flake was 43KB smaller
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22:04:51pixelmamc2739: committing a fix in a bit. The pictureflow error was the only thing to make it build again. The next step would be to add HAVEREMOTEKEYMAP (or the like) to the options and fill out the button tables with the Iaudio remote mappings, you would have to read the code for it because the remote buttons are not simulated
22:04:55saratogasorry 25KB smaller
22:05:07saratogaso yeah it looks fairly useless but still interesting to know if we can decode efficiently
22:05:09linuxstbsaratoga: Which version of flac? And did you decode to wav first?
22:05:31linuxstb(I just did flac -8 -o flac.flac flake.flac)
22:05:33saratogalinuxstb: i just compared to the official flac-8 test file on the wiki
22:05:34linuxstbflac 1.2.1
22:06:01saratogatags says reference libFLAC 1.1.2 20050205
22:06:08saratogaso its an older file
22:07:08pixelmamc2739: or find a way to try remotes in the sim too (if you want something challenging ;) For the button tables: I'd really like if the mess was cleaned up too while at it or in an extra commit first but it's a lot of work
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22:07:25pixelmasee the wiki page I mentioned earlier
22:08:47linuxstbsaratoga: flake - "15.21MHz" (13.94s), flac - "14.71MHz" (13.48s) (on my Nano2G)
22:08:55mc2739pixelma: thanks, I will look into the remote keymap, but not promising anything quick
22:08:57saratogaah good
22:09:02saratogasounds like its a nonissue
22:09:40bertrik_markun, I forgot something about the lcd: the lcd controller used by the m6sp wants 32-bit pixel (at least as far as I understand it) and rockbox does not support that
22:10:58bertrik_I tried to come up with a quick hack where the 16-bit framebuffer data is converted to 32-bit framebuffer data in lcd_update_rect but I don't have enough RAM to even compile it ...
22:11:21linuxstbbertrik_: Not enough RAM on the device?
22:11:56bertrik_linuxstb, for now I'm running purely from IRAM
22:12:26linuxstbWhy is that? Could you put the bss in DRAM?
22:13:05bertrik_maybe, but I'm not even sure DRAM is set up properly
22:14:26linuxstbThe nano2g bootloader does that - see (it's a simple change).
22:15:03linuxstbbertrik_: How big is the LCD? Could you just use a smaller than real size framebuffer?
22:15:12bertrik_I had to revert the latest revision of to make the meizu m3 boot properly again
22:15:29linuxstbOops, sorry...
22:15:32*linuxstb goes to look...
22:16:55bertrik_I'm not saying it's your fault or anything like that, could be something in the m3 code too
22:17:08linuxstbbertrik_: What revision are you using now?
22:17:50CIA-85New commit by tomers (r23248): rbutil: Updated Hebrew translation
22:18:02tomerspixelma: ping
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22:19:22CIA-85New commit by tomers (r23249): Use pointer instead of multiple access to array
22:19:45*TheSeven will leave now and hopes he has a better connection again tomorrow.
22:20:02linuxstbTheSeven: Good luck with the ADSL...
22:20:09TheSevenso that i can actually try to update my tree again and commit the usb stuff
22:20:22TheSevensub-modem speed is really awful
22:20:46pixelmatomers: saw your question but got occupied with something else. I don't think it matters much but if you think those actions could appear somewhere else too it is nicer to have them in the platform files for easier reuse and for more consistency (as the other core actions got their part in the manual too there)
22:20:59linuxstbbertrik_: The only change there I think was to put bss in DRAM... So obviously that isn't working for you.
22:21:41pixelmaUnhelpful: is pictureflow really using core actions or only ones that were made "after" the core actions?
22:21:46linuxstbTheSeven: Will the USB stuff be disabled when you commit?
22:22:28tomerspixelma: I chose this method since indeed this was the only place where I thought they could use, and I didn't want to trash these platform files with so many actions. I guess I did the right decision...
22:23:38TheSevenlinuxstb: I don't see a reason to keep it disabled
22:24:13linuxstbTheSeven: Is it reliable?
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22:25:10TheSevenstill some minor glitches (especially the "hold the menu key for charging" thing only working around 90% of the times), but no hangs or such
22:25:25TheSevenand i've self-updated rockbox multiple times today without any issue
22:25:37TheSeven(besides rolo still not working)
22:26:27TheSevenwas that fixed in the meantime? (I'm still stuck at r23141)
22:27:28saratogahow much memory does the nano2g have?
22:27:40TheSeven32MB DRAM + 176KB IRAM
22:27:51linuxstbI still think it would be sensible to not enable it by default, but give people chance to test, just in case of unexpected problems (like the NAND power-management caused)
22:28:31TheSevenas long as you won't plug it, there's not much that will change
22:29:20saratogapost a test build in the forums, wait a week or two, then enable it would be my preference
22:29:40*TheSeven still wonders why 3 people are having trouble with the nand stuff, one of them having the same chip that i have, but not others
22:30:49saratogahuh Nano2Gs are cheapish on ebay, i might pick one up
22:32:05TheSevenissues left: 1. nand powermanagement, 2. that pcm quirk for people who don't like their ipod sounding like a dirty vinyl record, 3. usb testing, 4. performance testing and improvements, 5. power management improvements
22:32:24linuxstb6. clickwheel acceleration
22:32:49TheSevenoh yes, that also needs some calibration, i already noticed that
22:33:05TheSevenwhich points me to another one: battery lifetime calibration
22:33:23linuxstbsaratoga: I don't think a test build is needed - the active nano2g users (i.e. people likely to test) seem to be compiling themselves.
22:33:57topiki haven't updated my nano 2g since r23156 which has worked great
22:34:05topikwill try recent changes tomorrow
22:34:20tomersI see all over the code that an instance of 'struct screen' is sometimes called 'display' and sometimes 'screen'. Don't you think this is a bit confusing? Should we have some sort of convention for this?
22:34:35TheSeventopik: beware that we broke the PCM driver, which will now sound like dirty vinyl :-P
22:34:51linuxstbTheSeven: "we" ? ;)
22:34:58topikonly weird thing is the volume
22:34:59TheSevenI'm working on a fix for that :-D
22:35:07TheSevenwhat's up with the volume?
22:35:16topikon my fuze -15db is the same as -35db on the nano2g
22:35:39linuxstbSo the fuze is broken ;)
22:35:42TheSevenoh, interesting
22:35:59topiki have no 3rd device to compare against
22:36:22AlexPThe volume control is relative to line level
22:36:51TheSevenAlexP: line level being defined by several manufacturers like they like it to be?
22:36:58topikif that's configurable, i never touched that on either device
22:37:03AlexPTheSeven: So it seems :)
22:37:13*TheSeven will do some measurements about that tomorrow
22:37:44AlexPtopik: My point is, that AIUI (and I could be wrong) the volume is relative to the line out level of the hardware - this can be different between hardware
22:38:16topikfair enough, but shouldn't rockbox try to correct for the difference?
22:38:19TheSevenlinuxstb: do you know how the wmcodec works, if levels above 0dB can clip?
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22:38:27topikso -20db is the same level on all devices?
22:39:11AlexPIt is relative to line level
22:39:20AlexPSo you know when distortion will occur
22:39:30saratogayou can't really correct for different amplifier powers
22:39:59linuxstbTheSeven: Yes, I think it will.
22:40:00topikit's not a problem, just an observation
22:40:18topiki am very excited about rockbox on both my players
22:40:25linuxstbbluebrother: What's the status of beastpatcher? Is it ready for release on Windows?
22:40:29TheSevenI would nevertheless suggest to at least keep the 0dB setting around 1V, so that externally connected stuff also won't clip.
22:41:32AlexP0 dB should be non-clipping with no dsp
22:41:42saratogano DAP can go that high though
22:41:53saratogaIIRC the AMS sansas max out around 150mV
22:42:16topikshame there seems little chance for my meizu m6 to join my other aging players as rockboxed
22:42:18TheSevenI'll check tomorrow, but I think the ipods can go that high
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22:43:02bluebrotherlinuxstb: well, I haven't thought about what's needed to qualify as end-user ready. It can install the beasts bootloader and install a nk.bin with our bootloader.
22:43:21bluebrotherthere's still this issue with some beasts rejecting a single bootloader installation
22:43:36bluebrotherand installing dual-boot requires using a command line switch.
22:43:39linuxstbThat can just be documented as a "known issue" though.
22:44:47bluebrothersure, if we consider that good enough.
22:45:34bluebrotheroh, there is one issue I haven't figured: on linux the beast reboots once you installed the bootloader. On Windows it doesn't −− it reboots once you disconnect USB.
22:45:49*linuxstb can remember the initial "ipod_fw" way to install on an ipod - if we supported that, we can support the beast...
22:46:07bluebrotherwhich shouldn't be an issue for beastpatcher itself, but might cause issues once it's in rbutil
22:46:18saratogaissues are what make a port unstable, I saw write them up in the wiki and let people try it out
22:46:18n1sI'd really like to have the beast as supported :)
22:46:23bluebrotherhmm, that's indeed a point :)
22:46:33bluebrothern1s: me too ;-)
22:46:46saratogamaybe it'll encourage more people to work on the beast
22:46:54linuxstbWe need to stop talking about it and do it though...
22:47:16bluebrotherdo we have an officially released bootloader for the beast? I've always used svn.
22:47:17linuxstbDoes beastpatcher compile as a single .exe now on Windows?
22:47:25linuxstbNo, there's never been an official bootloader binary
22:47:30bluebrotherlinuxstb: yes, if you build it with VS2005
22:48:03linuxstbDoes it have the bootloader embedded?
22:48:09n1sso we just need to release the bootloader, beastpatcher and rbutil, anything else?
22:48:13*linuxstb forgets what it does, even though he wrote it....
22:48:23bluebrotherbtw, I was thinking about an embedded dll approach. Just don't link against it but load it later using LoadLibrary. That way we could also build it with MinGW / cygwin.
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22:48:49saratogafixing or deleting this page would be nice:
22:48:52AlexPmanual is there, it just needs the links (and probably an explanation of single vs dual) - although we could go for dual by defualt and then let people who want single do it manually
22:48:52bluebrotherlinuxstb: you can build it with or without embedded bootloader, like ipodpatcher.
22:49:08linuxstbStep 1 would seem to be to release a bootloader - can someone with a beast build current svn, and call it "1.0" ? I think that's just done with "make VERSION=1.0"
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22:49:25bluebrotherdo we have a known source for the oOF nk.bin?
22:49:41AlexPthere is a link on the wiki somewhere
22:49:45saratogamaybe just delete it since we have directions here:
22:49:53linuxstbsaratoga: What's wrong with it?
22:50:01AlexPbluebrother: toshiba released an update
22:50:11AlexPsaratoga: I prefer the install page to the info page
22:50:25bluebrotherAlexP: update as in something that's in fact an archive one can extract it from?
22:50:25saratogalinuxstb: its got blank steps labeled TODO
22:50:40linuxstbsaratoga: That's not a reason to delete it...
22:50:43n1sbluebrother: could rbutil give the user a choice of dual/single?
22:50:46saratogai think the info page is more up to date
22:51:05saratogathen the info instructions should be removed or depreciated and then copied over
22:51:22linuxstbThere's lots of stuff on the info page that shouldn't be there - binary downloads, patched Toshiba software etc etc
22:51:27bluebrothern1s: sure. There's a different issue though: rbutil requires a mount point, but until the bootloader is installed and the beast rebooted there is none.
22:51:41AlexPbluebrother: I'll need to check, but I think it can be extracted from the exe
22:51:41AlexPI thought the install page was more up to date
22:51:52AlexPIt is just missing e.g. beastpatcher as it wasn't finished
22:51:56saratogaIMO thats biggest thing to do, even unofficial (i.e. linked in the test forum) binaries are fine as long as there are clear directions saying how to use them
22:52:10bluebrotherwhich means, especially for automated install, we need some means of rescanning the system for devices. Which in turn means we need better autodetection (which we need anyway)
22:52:19AlexPThe install page is virtually there
22:52:34topikthe test forum is a great tool imo. it made me test a lot on my fuze
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22:52:43n1sbluebrother: but if it requires a mountpoint, how can it install the bootloader at all?
22:52:47linuxstbbluebrother: I don't think we should worry about rbutil - beastpatcher will be easy enough, and it will never be one of the most popular targets.
22:52:57linuxstb(but that's up to you of course...)
22:53:32bluebrothern1s: well, the bootloader is installed in MTP mode (we can't access the beast in UMS mode when the OF is run), and after a reboot the bootloader usb mode gives us MTP
22:53:43*linuxstb wonders if any beast owners are volunteering to build a 1.0 bootloader....
22:53:48AlexPbluebrother: - It is an exe in an iso in a zip
22:53:51AlexPlinuxstb: Sure
22:54:27AlexPlinuxstb: I suspect however that test it is implicit in that :)
22:54:27linuxstbAlexP: As I said, just "make VERSION=1.0" should do it. And make a note of which SVN revision you've used, so we can tag it.
22:54:33linuxstbAlexP: Yes... ;)
22:54:37n1sbluebrother: yes, but installing a single or dual bootloader should require the same access
22:54:44AlexPlinuxstb: Doing it now
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22:56:17pixelmaI thought the issue with the Gigabeat S was that the bootloader installation didn't work the same on some units (or some working with the dual boot bootloader and some don't or so) - or has this been resolved?
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22:56:33AlexPpixelma: Single boot sometimes doesn't work on some units
22:56:57linuxstbpixelma: Yes, that's still a problem. But I don't think it's enough to keep it out of "Unstable" (as long as we document it as a known issue)
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22:59:37bluebrotherok, got a beast bootloader identifying as 1.0
23:00:08AlexPme too :)
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23:00:28AlexPAnd it works fine on my beast
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23:00:59linuxstbbluebrother: What does beastpatcher need? The bootloader.bin?
23:01:06bluebrotherworks fine for me too, at least when installing as dualboot
23:01:20AlexPah right :)
23:01:27bluebrotherplus libmtp.a and libusb.a on linux
23:01:29AlexPwell, that single boot nk.bin works fine here
23:01:46linuxstbbluebrother: Then it's probably worth putting both on the download server... (the single-boot nk.bin and bootloader.bin)
23:01:57*linuxstb pings Bagder
23:02:35*bluebrother has build r23249 too :)
23:03:31bluebrotherok, so we're releasing a 1.0 bootloader now? Should I go for building a beastpatcher.exe with that?
23:03:37AlexPbluebrother: copycat! :)
23:03:48AlexPI don't see why not
23:04:01*linuxstb neither
23:04:18bluebrotherAlexP: I'm claiming being first −− my network had a short dropout :P
23:04:23linuxstbStep 1 - release bootloader and beastpatcher ; Step 2 - update documentation; Step 3 - promote to unstable and profit.
23:04:23AlexPhehe :)
23:04:30*bluebrother prepares reboot
23:05:16bluebrotheranyone willing to build the linux binary? I would need to build libmtp first
23:05:41AlexPAlthough I think I'll have to build libmtp too :)
23:05:49AlexPI can do 64 bit here
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23:08:16*bluebrother in wxp now
23:08:21AlexPNo, it seems not
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23:08:31AlexPjust make builds it statically right?
23:08:50*linuxstb has built 32-bit linux
23:09:17bluebrotheryes. I'm usually changing the LIBS line to get it link with the systems libmtp
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23:11:07AlexPI can't test it as I no longer have the OF
23:11:21*AlexP goes to do a bit of compressing too
23:11:57bluebrotherAlexP: you can simply replace the nk.bin file on the other partition. At least it seemed to work when I played around with that a while back.
23:12:09AlexPbluebrother: I did - the bootloader is fine
23:12:20AlexPbluebrother: I mean I can't test beastpatcher
23:12:41linuxstbIt works fine for me "[ERR] No device found"
23:12:42bluebrotherAlexP: well, you could put an OF instead and then go through the process of reinstalling ;-)
23:13:11linuxstbbluebrother: And risk things not working? ;)
23:14:06AlexPbluebrother: Yeah, I *could* ... :)
23:14:44bluebrotherAlexP: ;-)
23:17:03linuxstbCould someone put these in a nice directory hierarchy for Bagder/Zagor to put on the download server? I'm guessing we want them in /bootloader/gigabeat-s/ ?
23:17:42linuxstbOr /bootloader/toshiba/gigabeat-s/ (and move gigabeat)
23:18:35AlexPDoes beastpatcher work on Mac?
23:20:47bluebrotherhmm, I haven't added the creation of bootimg.c to the VS project. Ok, that can wait until after the release
23:21:25AlexPHow does tagging work?
23:22:41linuxstbSee the UsingSVN wiki page.
23:24:09AlexPSo we want bootloader_gigabeat-s_v1 I guess?
23:24:34CIA-85New commit by alex (r23250): Tag release v2 of the Sansa E200 bootloader and sansapatcher
23:24:36bluebrotherhmm, something is wrong on windows :(
23:24:50AlexPwhat the hell
23:24:52bluebrothere200 bootloader?
23:25:12AlexPI didn't do that in the checkout
23:25:34AlexPI was in a completely different directory, and I was pasting from the UsingSVN page to edit it for this one
23:25:42AlexPSo, next question:
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23:25:48AlexPHow do I undo that?
23:26:00bertrik_if I configure the LCD pins on the meizu m6sp (through PCON_ASRAM), it hangs ...
23:26:04kugelsvn rm <url>
23:26:10AlexPkugel: Thanks
23:26:12bluebrotherAlexP: svn rm svn://..., then svn cp svn://... svn://
23:26:32bluebrotherif you invoke svn with full urls you don't need to do this in a checkout
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23:27:07AlexPSo svn rm svn:// ?
23:27:18AlexPbluebrother: Thanks, wish I had know that before :)
23:27:51CIA-85New commit by alex (r23251): Revert previous completely accidental commit.
23:28:10bluebrotherAlexP: it wouldn't make much sense having to checkout tags/ first, would it? Could become quite large ;-)
23:28:22AlexPtrue :)
23:29:58bluebrothergnah. beastpatcher works fine when build as debug executable but not when build as release. Seems I've missed that before :(
23:31:52AlexPbeastpatcher here is v1 too, so it can be tagged as both right (as in the accidental e200 one above)?
23:32:50bluebrotherI'd say so
23:33:22pixelmaAlexP: for plugins the 3 column button tables is a bit weird on the M3 as usually only remote buttons are mapped (maybe a quit here and there)... maybe not much of a difference to remote buttons on the H100 - just the other way around
23:33:49AlexPOK, let's try again :)
23:34:11linuxstbAlexP: To answer your earlier question, beastpatcher _should_ work on Mac (libusb works there, so libMTP _should), but no-one has managed to get it to compile.
23:34:57CIA-85New commit by alex (r23252): Tag release v1 of the Toshiba Gigabeat S bootloader and beastpatcher
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23:39:08AlexPlinuxstb: The lack on mac wielding people strikes again - I guess we just leave it out for now
23:40:05bluebrotheranyone with a windows box around that can check if a debug binary works?
23:40:36bluebrothersomethings broken with the release build in VS −− it works partly
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23:52:42*bertrik_ is trying to run something on the meizu m6 directly from ram
23:54:27mc2739bluebrother: do you need any special windows setup for your test?
23:54:34linuxstbAlexP: Yes, we don't have any choice... Yet another thing missing for the beast...
23:55:04bluebrothermc2739: no, but you shouldn't have any visual studio installation (read: windows development tools) installed.
23:55:20bluebrotherall you need to check is if the binary runs at all
23:55:39mc2739I don't have visual studio installed
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23:55:49mc2739is win 7 rc ok?
23:56:12bluebrothershould be. At least we get to know if it does work on w7 at all :)
23:56:19saratoga[INFO] Found device "SanDisk - SANSA CLIP (D:)"
23:56:47saratogabootloader installed successfully on my sansa clip
23:56:49bluebrotheroh. We might need to be more careful here to make sure we're not sending a beast firmware to a different player.
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23:57:27linuxstbbluebrother: What are beastpatcher's requirements? Does it need a certain version of WMP installed?
23:57:41bluebrotherwhich of course raises the question if it's possible to install the bootloader on other player that way. Like the H10MTP
23:57:45saratogaclip didn't seem to mind having the beast bootloader installed, I guess since it was in UMS mode
23:58:03mc2739bluebrother: did you see this?
23:58:14mc2739rbutil thinks e200v1 is v2
23:58:40mc2739I have not confirmed yet

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