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#rockbox log for 2009-10-20

00:00:05amiconnIt's just that on some targets it's not very likely to trigger early usb, but it's possible
00:00:11tomersgevaerts: You're right
00:00:29kugelI mean, you know I'm not against abusing the system, but the ondio build is fast enough to do it locally :p
00:00:49amiconnThe code is there on all hardware usb targets. Those having bootloader usb will catch usb connection present at poweron in bootloader usb, so it depends on timing
00:01:10amiconnDo what locally?
00:01:25kugelbuilding ondio
00:01:33kugelregarding tomers yellows
00:02:54JdGordon|ayone plan on fixing the theme site so the items in the theme are listed (like remote wps, sbs, rsbs, etc?)
00:04:58Stephen_also on the theme site spartan black i listed on the x5 it shouldnt be
00:05:05Stephen_i = is
00:06:02*tomers Finally. Sorry all for not compiling locally. I was tired and wanted to go to sleep, and made a shortcut. Not a wise idea. Good night!
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00:06:57duffrecordsso I put all the old music in a folder with a database.ignore file, and downloaded a fresh new MP3 (with good tags). now when I build the database it gets to 4884 files and stops (instead of 4882)
00:07:47duffrecordsI'm assuming those two additional entries are the MP3 and the new folder it's in
00:07:51kugelarg, this is strange
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00:08:22kugelI'm cleaning up quickscreen a slight bit, but puts_scroll is behaving very weird!
00:08:58kugelit prints "Title: Value" (in 1 line due to lack of space), but as soon as it starts scrolling it becomes "ValueTitle: "
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00:12:46kugelwhat the heck is this!
00:12:47gevaertsSharn: please stop that
00:13:21Sharngevaerts: sorry, just registering a nick for my bot, not trying to nickspam anyone
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00:20:49kugelcan someone help me with this?
00:21:21kugelthis doesn't scroll properly
00:21:22duffrecordsany other suggestions to fix my database problem, or should I reformat this device and copy all my music onto it again?
00:21:37kugelin the if branch
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00:22:05kugelduffrecords: trying that seems reasonable. sometimes chkdisk can't repair everything properly
00:23:27JdGordon|kugel: i'll look on the way home... that seems to be a really wierd bug :p
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00:29:46kugelJdGordon|: thanks. this is the patch here are example images: before scrolling starts: after scrolling starts:
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00:30:09kugelstrangely enough it seems to work without the patch
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00:32:00kugelmaybe I introduced that bug myself (although it seems very improbable :p )
00:33:40kugeldamn, it's in fact my bug
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00:39:46Stephen_if i format my player for fat32 what allocation unit size do I use ?
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00:49:43CIA-85New commit by kugel (r23282): Fix a scrolling bug with centered drawing and too long lines.
00:49:49CIA-85New commit by kugel (r23283): Cleanup quickscreen text drawing by using text alignment flags for viewports.
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01:01:15JdGordon|kugel: haha you got it?
01:01:21kugelyea :/
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01:06:28duffrecordsso I'm probably going to reformat my iPod when I get home. ext3 isn't supported, is it?
01:06:36kugelit isn't
01:07:48duffrecordsshoot. fat32 is troublesome, especially since I don't have any Windows machines at home (to run chkdsk or defrag)
01:08:43kugellinux at least?
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01:10:07duffrecordsyeah, but I have yet to find a way to format a fat32 drive with Linux. every forum has the same unanimous answer: you don't!
01:10:19duffrecordsbut in some cases, like this, it would be helpful
01:14:10kugelmkfs.vfat or something like that works
01:14:47kugelyea, mkfs.vfat -F 32 /dev/sdX is what I always used
01:16:13kugelfsck.vfat can look out for FS problems, but I don't think there's a nice defragger
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01:32:15kugellol, wth my e200 says "no partition found"!
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01:55:13kkurbjunkugel, you rang?
01:58:39kugelkkurbjun: yea, I was wondering about lcd_bitmap_transparent_part() in the f/x lcd driver
01:58:59kugelit has some asm, is it faster than the standard function?
01:59:19kugelit doesn't look very soc specific to me, can't it be used for other targets as well?
02:01:46kkurbjunI don't think that I wrote that but it looks like it could be used on other targets
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02:03:26kkurbjunI don't know how much faster it is..
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02:09:18CIA-85New commit by kugel (r23284): Use strlcpy instead of a memset&strcpy combo. Guarantees \0-terminaltion and gives a 1-3% speed up.
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02:11:12JdGordon|kugel: how does the %Vi viewport work?
02:11:37JdGordon|could you specify it more than once?
02:11:55kugelwell, I think it's possible, but the first one is used
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02:12:41JdGordon|im thinking about how to do the current boring statusbar in one .sbs but with the current top/bottom setting
02:13:10JdGordon|instead of just snprintfing the y pixel when its loaded (thinking about the rec screen)
02:14:01kugelthe %Vi is used for the lists
02:14:05kugelas custom ui viewport
02:14:13JdGordon|if the current bar can be coimpletly done using the skins then I'd ike to see all the old code removed
02:14:39JdGordon|so it has to be known at parse time?
02:14:41kugelan emulated classic statusbar might not need it if STATUSBAR_HEIGHT stays the same
02:15:09JdGordon|top/bottom is te problem... not the height
02:15:38JdGordon|maybe we just get rid of that option? it was only added one release ago anyway :)
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02:16:28kugelwell, welcome to the number of problems making getting rid of the old code difficult
02:16:33kugelI already got known to them :p
02:16:51kugelkkurbjun: some gwhite committed it, but didn't say how much faster
02:17:01JdGordon|removing code shold be simple :)
02:17:12JdGordon|its not annoing too many people while doing it which is the problem
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02:20:33kugelJdGordon|: remember to keep the icons in the binary
02:20:50JdGordon|screw that....
02:20:54kugelor you need to explain amiconn why you want to break early usb
02:21:17JdGordon|the nbuilt one will be text... I'll also add one with images in the zip for those crazies :)
02:21:27kugelkkurbjun: seems to work as-is on my fuze
02:21:58JdGordon|usb screen should be skinified also :) i want a pretty "connected" animation.. and batt status
02:22:00JdGordon|and a clock!
02:22:51kugelthe usb screen can show the statusbar
02:23:07kugelwe would only need to add the usb screen to the %cs values
02:23:26kkurbjunUSB screen without the builtin graphic would be nice - it would be great if all the builtin images for the main build could be eliminated
02:23:28kugeland even that only for the animation
02:23:50kugelkkurbjun: any idea how to test the speed?
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02:25:03kkurbjunkugel, I'm working on that now if I could get the gigabeat to connect to my system - test_fps gives 266.0 w/o the asm for fullscreen and 1/4 is 961 fps. I havn't tried with asm yet. I'm not sure which function test_fps calls though
02:25:27kugelI don't think test_fps helps
02:27:07kugeltest_fps tests lcd_update() and lcd_update_rect()
02:27:08kkurbjunso I got 1059.9 for test_fps on 1/4 updates
02:27:19kkurbjunwith the asm
02:27:54kugelthat is interesting
02:28:19JdGordon|kugel: would be nice to be able to disable the %vi viewport for the usb screen...
02:28:21kugelI'm wondering how fps can show that
02:29:38kkurbjunkugel, I agree, I don't think that fest_fps is showing that it may just be vairance in the test- I only ran each build once
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02:30:21kugelit doesn't seem to be faster on the fuze (testing with test_gfx.rock)
02:32:32kkurbjuntest_gfx doesn't look like it would test it either
02:32:53kugelit does putsxy, which does font drawing, which does transparent bitmap drawing
02:33:09kkurbjunthe asm in the gigabeat driver is for native bitmaps
02:33:13kkurbjunnot the mono bitmaps
02:33:43kugelah yea
02:33:48kugelright, :/
02:34:41kugelhm, we could try drawing the rockbox logo 100 times
02:35:57kkurbjunyeah, but it doesn't have any transparencies, it would be good to test with an image the has a transparent section with the backdrop on and with the backdrop as a solid color
02:38:28kugelor I just hack transparent drawing in :p
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02:39:31kkurbjunyeah, you could just call it as a transparent image, but it wouldn't test the speedup if any when there is a transparent section
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02:45:41kugelkkurbjun: 65->71 fps calling show_logo() repeatedly
02:45:58kkurbjunthat's reasonable
02:46:04kkurbjunI mean worth implementing
02:46:17kugelthat function looks actually applicable to any arm soc
02:46:26kugeli literally copied it
02:47:03kkurbjunyeah, any 16 bit horizontally oriented frame buffer
02:47:47kugelgonna try it on my e200
02:48:53kkurbjunkugel, did you add that test code to test_gfx?
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02:49:17kkurbjunif it's committable it would be good to have as an additional test
02:53:16kugel51 -> 53 on the e200
02:54:05kkurbjunhow large is the fuze's lcd?
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03:02:11kugelkkurbjun: could RGB565 vs RGB565SWAPPED a problem?
03:02:32JdGordonis your red and blue switched?
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03:03:09kugelno, but both my test targets are rgb565
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03:03:16kkurbjunI don't think so, that function is just doing 16 bit copies I don't think there is a special function for swapped implementations
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03:03:39kkurbjunlcd-16bit.c is where it is implemented
03:04:18kugelyea, but the transparent color is different
03:05:22kugelah, the macro is fixed for swapped
03:05:26kkurbjunthe asm version checks the transparent color too, it is not hardcoded beyond the define we use
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03:09:34kugelshould be more or less safe to enable it for all arm then?
03:09:46kugelall 16bit-horiz-arms I mean
03:13:33kkurbjunyeah, I think if you included it in lcd-16bit.c as a define it should be ok from what I can see of the implemenation
03:13:50kkurbjunthe vertical implementation is pulled out in a seperate driver
03:15:11kugelas a define?
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03:19:24kkurbjunI mean it would be good to keep the full c implemenation - so it would have to be something like #if defined(CPU_ARM)
03:21:47kkurbjunI guess that's required actually since it needs to run on other archs :-D
03:23:32midgeylinuxstb: (for the logs) i've posted a new patch that solves the speed issues. it's now the same speed as svn
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03:27:06kugelkkurbjun: yea, other arcs need the C version still :p
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03:30:05swiftkickanyone else here using a sansa e200 v2 series?
03:31:07saratogajust ask a question
03:31:14saratogawell a useful question not a rhetorical one
03:32:44swiftkickok to flash firmware on a e200 v2 i needed to switch the device to MSC mode. does rockbox require the player to stay in MSC mode? i ask because, upon upgrading the firmware from 3.01.11 to 3.01.16 and/or changing from MTP to MSC, all my files appear to be gone on both the device and the memory card that was installed in it
03:33:12swiftkickhowever, as a plus, rockbox is now installed and looks quite functional, no biggie if i hafta copy it all back over
03:33:27saratogai think rockbox will work with MTP, but it'll be hard to figure out where your files end up, so you'll probably have to use the database
03:33:45saratogamost people prefer MSC because it lets them choose where the files end up
03:34:28swiftkickbut MTP mode just looks nicer in windows ya know? MSC forces there to be two drive letters, whereas MTP shows a "device" icon with two subfolders... i mean either way i know where im putting my files re: device mem or card mem
03:34:57saratogayes but MTP is considerably less function in rockbox for that reason
03:35:00swiftkicki dont really care, i can always adjust. i bought this device specifically to run rockbox after seeing it on a friends player (not a sandisk)
03:35:51swiftkickcool, well, it is a bit discouraging that all my files appear to be gone from switching the device from MTP to MSC (or maybe it was upgrading the sansa official firmware to get the USB settings menu, who knows)
03:36:23swiftkicknice that it autodetects which firmware to load upon insertion of the USB cable too
03:38:06swiftkickok the devices memory is clean but the sd card looks intact... i was gonna say, it makes little sense that either upgrading the firmware or changing from MTP to MSC could erase the filesystem on the main device, so it makes even less sense that doing so would also erase the sd card's
03:38:52swiftkickactually the filesystem is showing 13 MB free but theres no files in MUSIC... hmmm
03:38:54kugelit isn't really under our control what the of does when updating
03:39:43swiftkickwell i hope rockbox has a "format" utility =) otherwise i have no music and no space to add any =(
03:40:02kugelthe OF has one, and every desktop pc
03:40:17swiftkickbut, will formatting the main device memory erase rockbox too?
03:41:00kugelbut you can reinstall it easily
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03:42:29swiftkickrockbox shows a folder called ##MUSIC
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03:42:48swiftkickthat has a copy of the whole root hierarchiy inside it (AUDIBLE MUSIC PHOTO RECORD VIDEO)
03:42:51swiftkickand my music is in ther
03:43:16swiftkickhowever, i can only see this folder using rockbox. i cant see it on the windows side
03:46:56swiftkickhmmm interesting
03:47:01kugelthat's where your mtp files end up
03:47:15swiftkickyah but it sucks that windows cant see them
03:48:05swiftkickif only rockbox (or sansa) had a rename/move utility in the firmware, but, no biggie, rockbox seems to work fine with the player in MTP mode
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07:24:45pixelmaI don't know if the way MTP works with the OF changed but on the c200 (v1) the files are vuried deep down in some subsubsubfolder of the system folder rebamed to aebitrary numbered .dat files along with some non-music .dat files hich means you can find them but won't recognise them through the file browser and only play after a renaming of the extension and the database won't find them
07:25:40pixelmaburied too
07:25:58pixelmaand renamed
07:26:19*pixelma gives up
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08:14:28TheSeven/* FIXME: The extra 0x800 is consumed by fat_mount() when the fsinfo needs updating */
08:14:56TheSevencould that explain why that sector size increase adds that much to the required stack size?
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08:34:16TheSevenlinuxstb: does ROLO work for you?
08:34:34TheSevenit seems to be broken in current SVN
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08:37:09CIA-85New commit by theseven (r23285): iPod Nano 2G USB support based on the S3C6400X datasheet. Disabled by default for now.
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08:44:41TheSevenhuh? why does "iPod Nano 2G" appear *twice* in FlySpray's "Player Type" field?
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08:47:27ZagorTheSeven: umm, that's a ... feature!
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08:49:27amiconnZagor: Speaking about strange things - what is the reason for the occasional empty delta table cell, even though the corresponding build was green?
08:49:57Dgby714amiconn: you just missed him
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08:56:43amiconn[08:49:29] <amiconn> Zagor: Speaking about strange things - what is the reason for the occasional empty delta table cell, even though the corresponding build was green?
08:57:56Zagoramiconn: the previous time I checked, the empty build build had wrong target in rockbox-info.txt
08:58:07Zagordon't ask me how that happens...
08:59:08amiconnTheSeven: Red!
08:59:42TheSevenamiconn: oops...
09:02:00*TheSeven wonders what the hell is wrong with that bootloader config to trigger a missing symbol in the USB core
09:02:14*amiconn pokes Zagor a bit regarding an uncollapse button/link for the build table
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09:39:53topiki'd like to test nano2g's usb but am unable to compile my own :(
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09:45:20topikand the old vinyl sound, if that's still a feature
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09:52:08CIA-85New commit by zagor (r23287): Create full table too
09:52:22Zagoramiconn: now there's a toggle link below the table
09:59:50TheSeventopik: need a test bin?
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10:06:48topikpretty usb image, followed by reboot into diskmode
10:07:25topikusing your rockbox.ipod over my slightly aged r23156 install
10:07:32topikshould i try with the very latest build?
10:08:26TheSevenhm, this build isn't supposed to go into disk mode
10:08:31TheSevenlet me check...
10:09:34topikthe initial usb plug image was new to me
10:10:22TheSevenok, fixed.
10:10:29TheSeveni must have uploaded the wrong file
10:12:00topiknow i get a new device in windows and my ipod shows
10:13:12topikis there anything i can test specifically?
10:13:24topikor just play around and see if it breaks?
10:13:53TheSeveni don't yet know of any bugs in there, so just poke around :-)
10:14:50topikcopying in disk mode wasn't fast, but i think in rockbox it's about half the speed
10:14:56topikbtw, very impressive work sir
10:15:26TheSevenyes, i know it's slow, but that's the nand driver's and maybe ftl's fault, but not an USB issue
10:15:49TheSevenapple writes to multiple flash banks in parallel, while we're doing it sequentially for now
10:15:54markunTheSeven: you rock :)
10:16:13topikseems copying has stalled
10:17:38topikyep, it broke
10:17:42TheSevenwhat did you test? large files? hundreds of smallish ones?
10:17:53topikone flac
10:18:01*TheSeven wonders whether it's the FTL or the USB that broke
10:18:14topikrockbox is still updating the clock
10:18:24topikbut in windows the device shows 0 size
10:18:45TheSevenwhat happens if you unplug it?
10:19:08topikusb icon goes away and rockbox returns to the menu
10:19:24TheSeventry to open a different file from the flash now
10:19:25topikata error 1
10:19:34TheSevenok, so it was the FTL
10:19:36topikwhen i tried to go to a different menu
10:20:05topiklots of gpio numbers
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10:20:41topikafter reboot the previously fully charged nano whines about lack of juice
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10:21:43topikfilesystem seems broken
10:21:47topikwindows wants to format it
10:21:55TheSevenso it entered disk mode?
10:22:07topikwhen i reconnected the usb cable yes
10:23:23topikwhen i disconnect the usb cable now i get the 'use itunes to restore' message
10:23:29TheSevenyes, i expected that
10:23:36TheSevenit did a hard reset
10:23:49topiki don't want to install that filth :(
10:24:06TheSevendo you use the apple os at all?
10:24:36topikyou're saying i could format the thing and put fresh rockbox on it?
10:24:44TheSevendid you use iloader or the rockbox bootloader?
10:24:53topikrockbox bootloader
10:25:14*TheSeven needs to prepare an image for that one
10:25:22TheSevenwhich flash size?
10:26:01topikif i understand you correctly
10:26:06topikotherwise, huh?
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10:28:13tomersTheSeven: Great work! Will USB on nano2g support interrupt transfers?
10:28:47topikit supported interrupted transfers atm :)
10:28:59TheSeventomers: in theory, it does. i haven't tested them yet.
10:29:49topikTheSeven: should i use itunes to restore or can i just format and use ipodpatcher again?
10:30:14TheSevenyou can't just use ipodpatcher, but i can make an image you can just dd to it to fix it
10:30:53topiki'll have to go home and hook it up to linux then
10:31:36topikthough i feel lucky, and could try dd for windows
10:31:56TheSeven(or hxd or whatever you like)
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10:32:40topiki'll be happy to try what is easiest for you
10:32:50topiknot installing itunes is worth a fair bit to me
10:33:10tomersTheSeven, topik: This mean USB HID works now?
10:33:32TheSeventopik: if you can wait for some minutes, i can make you an image
10:33:41topikof course
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10:33:54topiktomers: it did for a while it seems
10:33:55TheSeventomers: In theory, it *could* work, but I haven't tested it yet
10:34:21TheSeventopik: he's talking about HID, not UMS
10:34:37amiconnZagor: Thanks, it's working nicely :)
10:34:50topikhid being using it as a pseudo mouse remote-control thingie, right?
10:35:32tomersTheSeven: Whenever you'll find time to implement it, don't forget to set USB_HAS_INTERRUPT in firmware/export/config.h
10:36:02tomerstopik: Right. It enable sending HID events to the host OS, such as Volume Up/Down...
10:37:19tomersTheSeven: config.h line 838...
10:37:58topiki saw those HID things on my fuze. confuzed me nicely when i didn't know that was supported
10:41:17tomerstopik: How did you enable HID on fuze (I got one and USB is disabled)? Is it stable enough for HID?
10:42:29topikusb transfers don't work on the fuze, but hid does afaik
10:42:45topiki didn't do anything. lack to skill to get rb from svn so i don't compile my own
10:43:17gevaertsyou got HID to work without anyone writing a USB driver? Impressive!
10:43:35topiki'm seeing things?
10:44:14tomersgevaerts: I got to think that there's some sort of basic driver support which has interrupts already :-)
10:44:28tomerstopik: Are you sure it is Sansa Fuze?
10:44:50topiki'm sure my player is, but now i'm less than sure it does HID
10:45:40tomersDoes it has some sort of title below the USB connected logo? (Multimedia / Browser / Presentation / Mouse)? Does something happens in the PC while you press it as it is connected? I guess not
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10:45:52tomersI guess it reboots into OF when connected to USB
10:46:21topikit reboots to OF now. i am very sure though that it didn't do that before when i hold the 'left' button down
10:46:39huesweet! i guess i did register on freenode
10:46:43huehey guys :D
10:46:56tomershue: Helllo :-)
10:47:02*topik goes changelog digging
10:47:18hueguess what im excited about. 2nd gen nanooooooo
10:47:44topiki am very sure there was a way to keep the fuze in rockbox when plugging in usb
10:49:15topikperhaps r23184/r23185 are screwing with my memory
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10:49:48tomerstopik: While in RB, pressing SELECT whjile connecting USB keeps you in RB, in charging mode. USB HID is not operational in that mode
10:50:18TheSeventopik: can you try unpacking and dd'ing (or whatever) theseven/releases/rockboximage-2gb.7z"> to your ipod?
10:51:10topikTheSeven: yes, tomers: when i do that, i get an unrecognized usb device in windows
10:53:09tomersTheSeven: This is a sort of dummy device. The DAP haas to somehow introduce itself to the OS, but there's no function which it can give (MAss-Storage / HID)
10:53:43tomersgevaerts: I don't get this device. I forgot whether it should appear at all
10:53:51TheSeventomers: what about gevaerts' dummy sound card patch? :-D
10:54:16gevaertstomers: on the fuze, it will just give an error. There's not enough yet to enumerate at all
10:55:55TheSevenuh oh, UMS support is revealing a lot of FTL/NAND trouble
10:56:10topikTheSeven: i got myself a bootmenu image
10:58:50TheSeventopik: oops, still something wrong with my tool
10:59:14topikat least it's back from the dead
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11:09:44topikthanks for the disk image, TheSeven
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11:11:29TheSeventopik: go to disk mode and re-dd it, i uploaded a new (fixed) file
11:11:35TheSeventhis time it's really the rockbox boot loader
11:14:28topikthis time hxd says access denied
11:16:20Dgby714topik: did you uncheck the read-only checkbox?
11:16:53topikhehe, yeah. i think because there is a filesystem now, windows accesses it
11:17:16TheSeventhat shouldn't stop hxd from accessing it
11:17:32Dgby714HxD has done that to me too i have to reboot my system to get it working again
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11:18:15topikbtw, nano 1g themes are not linked to nano 2g themes (websites) and all nano 1g themes say 'doesn't work with current build'
11:18:41topikwhat needs to be done to a theme to get rid of that cheerfull red message ?
11:19:31TheSevenfix the nano2g checkwps? or was that already done?
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11:21:17gevaertstopik: someone seems to have broken checkwps
11:22:03TheSevenwhat exactly needs to be done to get USB hid working?
11:22:35Dgby714same thing happend to my nano2g
11:22:37TheSeven(besides #define USB_ENABLE_HID)
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11:22:43TheSevenDgby714: which thing?
11:23:21Dgby714I copyed files over safly ejected and removed the usb then i got a panic and now says to restore with itunes
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11:23:45TheSevenwhich kind of panic? "scheduling bank x block yz for remap"?
11:24:15TheSevenmine keeps doing that, too, but didn't have any data corruption yet
11:24:56Dgby714no um Stkov dircache
11:25:00topikhxd hates me
11:25:09topikeven after reboot it doesn't work anymore
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11:30:25tomersTheSeven: In order to implement HID in nano2g, you have to support allocating Interrupt endpoint type in your driver's usb_drv_request_endpoint(), then add test for the nano's CONFIG_USBXXX in firmware/export/config.h, and set USB_HAS_INTERRUPT for it. That supposed to be quite simple. I enabled INTERRUPT endpoint for the USBOTG_ARC in no-time (changing API to supoprt ep type took longer, of course)
11:31:18topikcan i force that hard reset thing that results in the 'restore with itunes' message?
11:31:19TheSeventhe api should already be in place, at least in theory, on the nano
11:31:25tomerss/CONFIG_USBXXX/USBOTG_M5636/ of course
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11:32:37tomersTheSeven: How is USB_HAS_BULK defined for the nano2g?
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11:42:02TheSeventomers: is it even defined? :-P
11:44:17gevaertsTheSeven: yes, or you wouldn't get FTL panics :)
11:44:28TheSevenno, it isn't
11:45:00TheSevennobody seems to ever check for that
11:45:29gevaertshm, that's actually a bug then
11:47:17TheSevenHAVE_USBSTACK => USB_ENABLE_STORAGE directly
11:51:17TheSevenHID works fine after fixing some defines :-D
11:52:13gevaertsnice :)
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11:54:10CIA-85New commit by theseven (r23288): Fix some iPod Nano 2G config defines to make USB HID work.
11:54:44tomersTheSeven: Great!
11:55:01*TheSeven wonders why this does only work with windows media player, not with winamp.
11:55:20TheSevenmy laptop's HW buttons work fine with both
11:55:46TheSevennow let's tackle these FTL issues once again
11:55:53tomersTheSeven: I think there is a difference between multimedia HID codes, and keyboard scan codes. They are not 1:1
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11:56:47tomersTheSeven: Can you please compile the manual and see whether USB Keypad mode is there? (General Settings −−> System Settings −−> USB Keypad mode). I'm not at home, so I can't do this myself
11:57:04*TheSeven needs to install LaTeX
11:57:17tomersTheSeven: Nevermind, I'll do that tonight
11:57:29tomersUTC+2 tonight :-)
11:57:59*TheSeven will need to install that anyways, sooner or later
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11:58:32TheSeven65MB download, 141MB disk space... Huh, wasn't that bigger the last time i installed it?
11:59:59tomersTheSeven: Why does you test for defined(IPOD_NANO2G) in config.h, and not (CONFIG_USBOTG == USBOTG_S3C6400X) ?
12:00:14topikTheSeven: do you know if it is possible to kill my nano and get back that 'restore with itunes' message?
12:00:34topikhmm, perhaps i can use your usb-enabled rockbox.ipod to break it
12:01:01tomersAlso, why not add (CONFIG_USBOTG == USBOTG_S3C6400X) to the test at line 21053 ?
12:02:05TheSeventhere may be more devices using that USB controller in the future, that could not want to use bootloader USB for some reason
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12:03:39topikexcellent. foolproof method to break my nano
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12:05:37TheSevenany idea where this is coming from?
12:05:38TheSeven! LaTeX Error: File `scrreprt.cls' not found.
12:06:10TheSevenand multirow.sty and float.sty
12:07:19tomersTheSeven: I'm not sure, but I think I remeber I had some latex package missing. Maybe you did not install all required packages? See the wiki
12:08:53tomers# apt-get install tetex-base tetex-bin tetex-extra latex-ucs tex4ht
12:10:16TheSevenaha. another 278 MB of downloads and 579MB of disk space
12:10:26TheSevenI knew something couldn't be right with that size :-D
12:17:32*TheSeven wonders why the peak meter is described in the manual, but not included in the default theme
12:23:55*TheSeven is amazed by the fact that he can now use serial logf!
12:24:22tmztare all arm targets mmuless except samsung s3c/s5c?
12:24:34tmztdo they require PPPR?
12:24:45TheSeven...whatever PPPR is
12:25:05tmztperiphrial remap register
12:25:15tmztin the cp15
12:25:20TheSeven"Plant Protection Products Regulation", according to google :-)
12:25:44tmztperiphrial port remap register
12:25:51TheSevenI haven't heard of such a thing yet, so I assume the 940T doesn't have it
12:25:58tmztPPRR sorry
12:26:04tmztand mmu?
12:26:17tmztdoes rockbox use it?
12:26:31TheSevenonly some minimalistic one that can remap different memory regions to offset zero
12:29:01TheSeventomers: yes it does mention USB Keypad Mode
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12:46:44TheSevengevaerts: how does the usb-serial work?
12:47:02TheSevendoes this emulate an FTDI or similar, or is it just a bulk pipe to read with a client app?
12:47:26TheSevenlooks like the latter...
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12:49:37gevaertsTheSeven: see for usage info
12:51:21TheSevenbah. "The usb serial implementation doesn't seem complete enough to be usable from Windows."
12:51:28TheSevenThis seriously needs to change :-)
12:52:07tmztpl2303 driver?
12:52:11tmztmodified inf
12:53:56TheSevenwriting "Prolific" on that wiki page instead of "Freescale iMX whatever" would make sense then
12:54:33gevaertsTheSeven: no. That's about the USB controller, not the software bits :)
12:54:51gevaertsthe usb serial stuff should probably be moved to its own page
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13:00:12*TheSeven wonders where the inf of the pl2303 is hidden
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13:01:24tomersTheSeven, gevaerts: How do you use serial usb in Windows?
13:01:34gevaertstomers: I don't...
13:01:48TheSeventomers: I'm going to have a shot at it
13:02:09tomersTheSeven: Then in what OS did it worked?
13:04:25TheSevengevaerts: can we change the vid/pid of only one part of the compound device?
13:05:24TheSevenaha. oem13.inf
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13:06:25tomersTheSeven: If you masnage to use serial in Windows, please post instructions, so others can use it.
13:08:21TheSeventmzt: just patching the inf fails
13:08:24TheSevenlet's find out why...
13:08:32Bob_Coemxxxx.inf is specific to an installation
13:09:38gevaertsTheSeven: only if you redesign USB :)
13:09:42Bob_CWhat device is your oem13.inf for?
13:09:56TheSevenpl2303 of course
13:10:17Bob_CThis is the driver for the OF?
13:10:19TheSevenbut my ipod locks up when trying to install that driver :-D
13:11:57Bob_CAnyway, you need to create a inf for the vid/pid and install via the "New hardware wizard"
13:12:17tmztI might suggest a modem driver package like the motorola one
13:12:28Bob_CIf the vid/pid already has a driver installed, you need to wipe it first
13:12:34tmztor maybe adding acm support to rockbox
13:13:06tmztBob_C: thanks, I'll let informed people answer, sorry
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13:22:46TheSevenbah, it does lock up even without any driver!
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13:25:36TheSevenhm, it unlocks again after finishing the driver installation. weird.
13:26:04TheSevenand for some reason the HID is broken if i enable usb-serial
13:27:08gevaertshow many endpoints can the controller handle?
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13:38:05TheSevengevaerts: 5, including EP0
13:38:37TheSevenbut you can't even switch between the modes, so i doubt that this is an endpoint problem
13:38:45TheSevenhm, libusb fails to see my ipod for some reason
13:39:09gevaertsso EP0 plus two in each direction?
13:39:47gevaertsok, that won't fit MSC+HID+serial then
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13:45:40*TheSeven still wonders why libusb doesn't like that device
13:46:19topikwhat comes after 'updating size on empty dir e' panic?
13:53:31TheSeventhis also smells like FTL trouble
13:54:16TheSeventhere seems to be some bug when it
13:54:24TheSevenit's running out of scattered page blocks
13:56:28topikTheSeven: you discussed nano model number a while back (when rhcp1253 asked about #A1199). is that the model number you get in the debug mode menu? if so, mine is a #MA477.
13:57:07TheSeventhat model number doesn't have anything to do with this FTL bug
13:57:14topiki know
13:57:34topikjust refering to "TheSevenrhcp1253: doesn't every 2g nano have that model number?"
13:57:35TheSevenA1199 (on the back of the ipod) just seems to mean "iPod Nano 2G"
13:58:06topiki'm still trying to get your second disk image on my nano :)
14:00:26*TheSeven needs to reset his FTL once again. the current trouble seems to have been caused by some fail long ago
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16:07:46*TheSeven just squashed a nasty FTL bug
16:08:19TheSeven...but it looks like there are more of them.
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16:10:38TheSevenhm, my ipod always locks up entirely if i try to copy doom.rock. every other file seems to work...
16:11:00Bagderdoom is evil, we knew that! ;-P
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16:17:32TheSevenhm, unpacking a fails because of doom, but copying a 137MB MP3 album works just fine...
16:17:59Bagderfile size related?
16:18:11Bagderseems weird though
16:18:14 Part LinusN
16:18:44Zagortry copying many small files
16:19:03Bagderor try cutting off little pieces of the doom file to see if that makes any diff
16:19:46TheSevenhmm doom alone works
16:19:46TheSevenlooks like something is going mad when extending a directory or something
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16:20:08TheSevenor when committing a heavily-scattered directory page. but why doesn't it fail for the FAT then?
16:20:34ixiso, I managed to get the h120 working again, except I can't seem to be able to install rockbox now..
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16:20:49TheSevenixi: how did you repair it?
16:20:55ixihard reset worked
16:21:02ixii didnt think of that before. :)
16:21:15ixibut yeah, now I cant install the rockbox.. :/
16:21:27ixii dont know if its HDD's fault, or what's up
16:21:35TheSevenhow does it fail?
16:21:59TheSevenbah. it's locking up entirely, and on the next boot norboot wipes the whole flash, to remove any evidence :-/
16:22:12ixiwell, i can turn it on, but rockbox won't load - it just displays bootloader and voltage (which is the state i recieved it in)
16:22:25ixii can boot to iriver firmware, but i can't seem to update it
16:22:38ixiwhenever i select firmware update -> yes, nothing happens
16:22:50evilnickAnd you have the correct file on the iRiver?
16:23:05ixiwhat do you mean?
16:23:34ixiyou mean, the firmware copy in the iriver?
16:24:21ixiwell, now that i think of it, the one i uploaded into iriver was EU, and it has probablay US one..
16:24:30ixi(yeah, I know, i'm retarded..)
16:25:05evilnickBest to check these things out, there's nothing to be ashamed of!
16:25:22ixiwell, it just totally slipped my mind.. :)
16:25:40TheSevenwell, this happens even to people like me :-P
16:25:53ixiok, another dumb question, but better safe than bricked.. what do I do now? complete installation on rockbox util again, this time selecting proper firmware?
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16:26:54ixior, should i delete the EU .hex file from the player first?
16:27:05evilnickYes, because you switched the firmware image, then you'll need to install RB again onto the new one.
16:27:24ixithe yes was on installation, or deleting?:)
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16:27:41ixiok, thanks
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16:31:45iximeh, same problem, it wont turn on
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16:33:28evilnickixi: Try what it was last time that fixed this. Didn't you reset it?
16:33:57ixiyeah, should i reset it again, and then perform the firmware update?
16:34:21ixii'm starting to suspect the HDD may be damaged somewhat..
16:35:43evilnickBasically, to complete the Rockbox installation, then you need to flash the iRiver with the patched firmware, so you need to have the player switched on. i.e. Yes, that sounds about right.
16:37:38ixifirmware update -> yes.. aaand nothing happens.
16:38:12evilnickWhat's the name of the .hex file on the iriver?
16:38:19ixilet me check
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16:39:42evilnickAnd is that in the root folder on the iriver?
16:41:25evilnickSo what's the full path of the file? e.g. is it E:\ihp_120.hex ?
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16:43:07evilnickTry renaming it to ihp_120.HEX and see if the firmware upgrade picks that up, I vaguely recall something along those lines, and it won't hurt to try
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16:44:31Jim_Hello to all live or dead!
16:44:33evilnickixi: And to confirm that you're attempting the firmware upgrade properly, use the instructions here:
16:45:25Jim_if any nice gurus present?
16:45:39evilnickJim_: If you have a question then ask it here
16:45:48evilnickAnyone who can help will do so.
16:45:50ixinothing again
16:46:09ixihere is a shot to the dark, but can I somewhat check if the device is connceting to HDD properly?
16:46:22ixii just noticed it says 0MB free, while it's empty
16:46:29evilnickixi: So when you try to do the f/w upgrade, exactly what gets displayed onscreen?
16:46:35Jim_I "brick" my Sansa E280 v.1 by inistalling Rockbox
16:46:56ixithe window with yes/no just disappears
16:47:14ixiand the player is fully responsive, the same way as if i just pressed no
16:47:14Jim_uninstall came fine, and now it's dead
16:47:33evilnickixi: I guess that could be something to do with the HDD then, can you connect it to a computer and run chkdsk>
16:47:44ixii'll try
16:47:51evilnickJim_: What happens when you try to power it on?
16:48:09Jim_nothing happens, it' dark
16:48:12mc2739Jim_: try the instructions here:
16:48:33Jim_I tried, and nothing helps
16:48:50gevaertsJim_: did you try holding the power button for about 30 seconds?
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16:49:47Jim_do it now - no response
16:50:57Jim_but it's detected under Windows Vista as a Tango player
16:51:21ixievilnick, chkdsk found errors
16:51:26Jim_starts to search for a drivers
16:51:26ixishould i try /F it?
16:51:46evilnickixi: Definitely /F it (usual: you should have a backup applies)
16:52:13ixii can back it up by just copying it over to other disk, right?
16:52:45evilnickYes, although if the files are already on your computer, then it'd be quicker not to bother.
16:53:03ixihah, permission denied
16:53:15ixiwhile copying .rockbox
16:53:18evilnickixi: What OS are you running?
16:53:23ixiwindows XP
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16:54:11ixioh, its not .rockbox, i cant access System Volume Information
16:54:13evilnickIs there any music on the iriver that you don't have saved anywhere else?
16:54:19ixinope, its clean
16:54:36evilnickJust run chkdsk /F then
16:56:27evilnickJim_: That page will fix any Sansa E-series (and C-series too) v1. Try to read it again and follow all the instructions exactly as written. If you have questions then let us know which set of instructions you're using and what happens.
16:57:46ixii think its definitely dead now.
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16:58:05ixioh it turned on now
16:58:10Jim_I did exactly on what it says, I put device in Recovery mode, copied repaire file to it and restarted the device
16:58:36Jim_it's not restated
16:58:40ixistill saying 0MB free..
17:00:02Jim_it's not restarted
17:00:20Jim_it has a dark screen
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17:06:30Jim_anybody live in here?
17:07:15*TheSeven grumbles at FTL bugs that try to hide away from him
17:09:48Jim_anybody live in here?
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17:10:56evilnickixi: That's not a good sign. Is the 0MB free being reported by the iRiver firmware (i.e. on the device) or by Windows Explorer?
17:11:20ixithe firmware. explorer gets the size right
17:13:16TheSevenwhat about formatting that thing? could be a wrong fsinfo sector or something similar
17:14:00CIA-85New commit by teru (r23289): Use pointer to memos instead of accessing the array. ...
17:14:00evilnickSo it could be that the iRiver firmware is having difficulty accessing the HDD, which would explain why flashing isn't working. Maybe try copying a song to it, and then see if you can play it in the iRiver firmware. That way you'll know if the HDD can be accessed by the OF.
17:14:03TheSevenor is it maybe NTFS and the OF can't read that?
17:14:35evilnickTheSeven: Of course! ixi: what is the HDD formatted as?
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17:14:48ixiwait, I'll look
17:14:54TheSeven"System Volume Information" made me suspicious...
17:15:07ixi(i thought about formatting it, but didnt want to brick it)
17:15:13TheSeventhat is sometimes also created on FAT, but there you can access it without access being denied
17:16:18evilnickixi: You can't brick the iRiver h120 series by formatting, but it should be in FAT32 so that the OF (and Rockbox) can access it.
17:16:25ixiyeah, its NTFS
17:16:35TheSeventhat should explain the whole mess...
17:16:36ixiso, should i just format it?
17:16:45evilnickWe have a winner then! Reformat it as FAT32 and then follow all the instructions again
17:17:07ixiso, reformat, fire up rockbox util and install rockbox again, right? :)
17:17:26evilnickixi: Yep, that should now work fine
17:17:48ixinow i just need somethign that will format it with FAT
17:18:18ixi format /FS:FAT32 X:
17:18:19TheSevenixi: h2format is your friend, if it's too big for windows to do it
17:18:29evilnickSwissknife works fine, and is free IIRC
17:18:52TheSevenif it's <50GB, windows explorer should work just fine
17:19:28ixiexplorer wont let me format it as FAT, it doesnt display it at the dropdown menu
17:19:30ixiit has just NTFS
17:19:38TheSeventhen it's too big.
17:20:05TheSevenjust use swissknife or h2format or whatever
17:20:14ixidownloding swissknife atm
17:21:53TheSevenevilnick: btw, h2format is free, too
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17:22:55ixiquick or full format?:)
17:23:06TheSevenquick should be sufficient if the disk itself is ok
17:23:43ixiok, its FAT32 now
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17:27:25ixiiriver sees the drive!:)
17:27:38evilnickixi: So follow the install instructions, and now that you're using the right FS then it should be a breeze from now on.
17:28:12ixii still cant update the firmware..
17:29:54evilnickIs the hex file on the iRiver? You may need to rename it to: ihp_120.hex
17:30:17ixihm, weird, it seemed to be there, but its not now
17:30:36ixiso.. complete install once again?
17:30:37TheSevenixi: because you formatted it? :-P
17:30:45evilnickOnce you formatted it, then it would have been erased
17:30:50ixii know. :)
17:30:59ixii formatted it and then did the complete installation :)
17:31:05ixiwell, i'll try it again, then?
17:31:47TheSevencan't hurt
17:32:09TheSevendid you safely eject the device before unplugging it?
17:32:27ixii think i know where is the problem, i didnt eject it after the format
17:32:36ixiso windows probably thought there is still the old one connected
17:33:05TheSevenhm, usually windows should get that, but you never know
17:33:30Strife89I hate to say it, but a reboot might help as well.
17:33:34evilnickAre you using the Safely Eject Hardware (or whatever it's called) function? It's better to use that than to just disconnect the USB cable
17:33:37ixihmm, strange, i did the complete installation and it booted straight into rockbox now :)
17:33:43ixiyep i am, evilnick
17:33:50ixiwell, it seems everything is allright now, then
17:34:14Strife89ixi: Test out Rockbox first. :)
17:34:20evilnickSo you must have flashed the OF with the patched update as now the bootloader is working
17:34:33evilnickUnless... How did you get this player?
17:34:37ixiits secondhand
17:34:58TheSeventhere's probably an old bootloader left over from that failed installation try of the previous owner
17:35:04ixiit was rockboxed before, becasue it had the bootloader, but it didnt boot up, cause of the NTFS
17:35:13evilnickAha, what probably happened is that Rockbox was installed before, but the old owner formatted it as NTFS and then assumed that it was bricked
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17:35:21evilnickixi: Exactly :)
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17:35:38Strife89Out of curiosity, what's the model? :)
17:35:43ixiwell, anyway, it seems to work perfectly now.. thanks a lot guys, you saved me my sanity! :)
17:35:46TheSeven"unbricking" can be really easy sometimes :-)
17:35:56ixiStrife89, h120, modded with 40GB HDD :)
17:36:04Strife89ixi: Nice. :)
17:36:49ixii was already thinking the worst, that it got damaged on the road.. thank you so much again :)
17:37:21evilnickixi: Glad that we got there in the end :)
17:37:45ixiwell, thanks one more time.. see you :)
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18:46:30spacecadetLinuxstb, are you there?
18:48:42spacecadetanyone actively here?
18:49:10Hillshumspacecadet: I'm here now
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18:50:03spacecadetI have a 20gb 4'th gen greyscale. I installed rb 3.4 last night
18:50:21spacecadetI've noticed one small problem, I don't know if it's a bug or a program feature
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18:50:52spacecadetIt can't be shut off when connected to the wall charger
18:51:20spacecadetNot by doing a long-play, not timing out from inactivity
18:52:05spacecadetIt runs forever, and because it's running it's not really charging so well
18:52:26saratogayou can only charge an ipod while its running, but I think rockbox doesn't charge them
18:53:01spacecadeton the ipod firmware, I can power it down and it will still keep charging
18:53:41HillshumIt only sleeps
18:53:57spacecadetthat at least lets it charge
18:54:16spacecadetunder rb, it's fully on the whole time
18:55:50saratogai don't even think the ipod firmware lets you power them down
18:56:03saratogaIIRC the best it can do is turn the screen off
18:56:20rashersaratoga: it also puts the cpu to a rather deep sleep
18:56:20spacecadetapparently that helps
18:57:31spacecadetI left it plugged in (and running) all night under rb, it's still no more charged now than it was then
18:58:15saratogaspacecadet: as I said above i don't think rockbox charges your ipod at all
18:58:40spacecadetthen how canit be charged when rb is the controlling formware?
18:58:56TheSevenspacecadet: it just can't. boot to the OF if you want to charge.
18:59:56spacecadetThat sounds like a feature for 3.5
19:00:16TheSevenif it would be easy, it would have been done long ago.
19:00:24TheSevendamn. the FTL has a pool block leak!
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19:02:19spacecadetif the wall charger isn't connected it lets me power it off, using long-play. why is it so hard to do that when there's a wall charger?
19:02:33topiki wonder if i should fill my nano with tunes or keep breaking it for a while
19:04:43topiki resorted to using itunes in the end, TheSeven. your disk image with the iloader boot menu had too many options i wouldn't use
19:04:51topikthanks for your gracious help though
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19:05:11TheSeventopik: the re-uploaded one was supposed to have the rockbox bootloader instead of iloader?
19:05:28topikno, still had the iloader one
19:05:33saratogaspacecadet: I think ipods automatically power up when connected to a charger
19:05:36*TheSeven needs to check
19:06:15saratogamost MP3 players do so that they can charge
19:06:18spacecadetsaratoga, yes they do, but under ipod firmware they can be put back to sleep
19:06:58saratogaspacecadet: I don't think the ipod firmware's charge mode is much different then rockbox's
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19:07:15spacecadetunder rb it's not charging
19:07:35saratogaspacecadet: have you read anything i've told you?
19:07:41spacecadetactually under ipod it wouldn't charge if I left it on all the time
19:08:18gevaertsspacecadet: if that's true the battery is dead
19:09:03spacecadetthe day before I switched to rb, the batter lasted for a good 7 hours
19:09:26gevaertseither that or your wall charger is broken
19:09:54spacecadetit charges pretty fast if the ipod isn't running
19:10:10*gevaerts wonders if TheSeven noticed the red
19:11:06gevaertsspacecadet: is this an official Apple charger?
19:11:08TheSevengevaerts: Indeed i didn't. What the hell. It compiles fine over here?
19:11:19spacecadetyes, the official charger
19:11:43gevaertsand it doesn't charge if the OF is running either?
19:12:06TheSevengevaerts: the build system does always start with a clean tree?
19:12:16spacecadetif I keep the ipod fully running, it doesn't charge to well
19:12:16gevaertsTheSeven: it should...
19:12:44TheSeventhis smells badly like a dependency issue to me
19:13:24TheSevengevaerts: btw, you're red, too
19:13:29gevaertsI know...
19:15:14CIA-85New commit by gevaerts (r23292): wps_screen is still needed for the HAVE_REMOTE_LCD case
19:15:25*gevaerts gets green paint
19:15:42*TheSeven checks out SVN head and recompiles that
19:16:41spacecadetcall it design flaw, then?
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19:18:49gevaertsTheSeven: I think I see what's going on
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19:20:45TheSevenhm, in fact. but why does it work in my other working copy then.
19:21:26CIA-85New commit by gevaerts (r23293): USB_ENABLE_HID can be enabled without USE_ROCKBOX_USB, so move the usb_hid and usb_hid_mouse features a bit to allow for that
19:21:37gevaertsTheSeven: USE_ROCKBOX_USB
19:22:03TheSevenyes, my USB disabled tests were done before enabling hid.
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19:28:12*bertrik hopes to make some steps in the meizu m6 sp display code
19:29:04ThomasAHHi! My Sansa Clip+ finally arrived and now I'll start lurking here to see "clip+" mentioned, even if it will take some months/years until it will become rockboxable :)
19:29:36KohlrabiClipv2 will be sooner, probably
19:29:38Kohlrabialso Clipv1
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19:30:00KohlrabiBesides, Clip+ finally HAS gapless playback and replaygain, so much increased value compared to the old ones
19:30:05Kohlrabiand folder browsing ;)
19:30:30ThomasAHKohlrabi: a co-worker has a clipv1, but I could not live with another proprietary connector cable
19:30:40*bertrik wonders if the people at sandisk follow rockbox
19:30:43CIA-85New commit by gevaerts (r23294): usb_keypad_mode shouldn't depend on SIMULATOR
19:31:15ThomasAHKohlrabi: yes, folder browsing and ogg support were the other must-haves :)
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19:31:30bertrikclipv1 has a standard USB mini connector (if I remember the name correctly)
19:31:51saratogai get the impression that they do since they seem intent on adding our features to their firmware
19:31:55KohlrabiThomasAH: Clipv2 at least has vorbis support
19:31:58Kohlrabidunno about Clipv1
19:32:21ThomasAHKohlrabi: but still the proprietary connector
19:32:28saratogano its USB
19:32:38saratogaanyway, the clip retail firmware is off topic here
19:32:38KohlrabiThought so too
19:32:40ThomasAHbertrik: standard USB mini? It did not look like that
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19:32:55KohlrabiMainly apple is doing their vendor-lock-in stuff
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19:36:56gevaertsI suspect USB_ENABLE_HID should just not be defined for SIMULATOR...
19:37:15gevaertsif someone wants to have a go, feel free :)
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19:46:14domonokyBob_C: is the adc in the mini2440 used for something currently ? ( i have now sensible touch readings, but have to disable normal adc reading for it)
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19:48:28Bob_CThe adc code was quickly adapted from the gigabeat code, I have not done any testing. On Mini2440, channel 0 is a test pot on the board, ch 4-7 are connected to the LCD I beleive - that all I know really
19:50:02domonokyBob_C: oki, so there is currently no direct use for this, and i can disable it. Till we rework adc reading for mini2440 to support both touch and normal adc channels.
19:53:09Bob_CSure, I am fine with that.
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20:26:56kugelgevaerts: can FS #10695 be closed?
20:27:20gevaertskugel: oh, yes. mc2739 should have closed it :)
20:28:01kugeland I thought I didn't break anything with my commit. don't trust too much in the build table ;/
20:28:32gevaertsit's better now. I improved the checkwps build a bit, so you would notice that error now
20:28:54kugelno don't get me wrong, having no red was totally fine :D
20:30:23*Dgby714 is thinking of getting a mini2440 and wondering if rockbox atm supports teh 7" lcd?
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20:36:19*gevaerts doesn't believe that any simulator ever compiled since HID was introduced. All those greens were lying
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20:49:01gitsterkugel, I've updated FS #10680 and FS #10681 (%?Sp<...>, %Ss, and %?Ss<...>), per your suggestion to move the "normal value" to the last slot.
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20:54:16kugeldoes anyone else have an opinion on this?
20:55:39domonokyDgby714: it probably needs another lcd-driver..
20:56:04gevaertskugel: they look like nice things to have to me. I have no opinion on letter-choice or code (not my area)
20:56:21gitsterI actually have a design level issue for them
20:56:38kugelI mean whether 100% pitch (which is the default value, but also the 'off' value) being last or within
20:56:44gitsterIs this a good place to outline the issue and ask for opinions?
20:57:20*gitster is coming from git land and we conduct our business on mailing list...
20:57:28domonokygitster: sure, just ask :-)
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20:57:58gevaertskugel: sorry, no idea
20:58:07gitsterOk, the current patch does $?Ss<slowest|slower|faster|fastest|normal> when you have 5 items on the list.
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20:59:10gitsterI do not care too much about where the "normal" should sit (which is what kugel earlier solicited opinions on), but the design issue I have is adjusting the steps for each levels, depending on how large the set of choices are.
20:59:41kugelwhat design issue?
20:59:46gitsterCurrently, I count the number of slots for settings below normal (in 5-item array case, there are slowest and slower so there are two).
20:59:56gitsterThen I divide 100% by this number and get 50% as the step.
21:00:26gitsterHence you get %?Ss<0%..49%|50%..99%|101%..150%|150%..infinity|100%>.
21:01:09gitsterWhile this scheme will give you the ultimate flexibility (if you want 5% increment, you can write 41-choice $?Ss<...> conditional in your .wps file), I somehow find it sucks in practice.
21:02:41kugelI guess you want steps below 100 half as big
21:02:52gitsterBecause most of the time people would play around 100% (iow, slightly slower or slightly faster is common, and I suspect you would rather want something like %?Ss<0%..89%|90%..94%|95%..99%|101%..104%|105%..109%|110%..infinity|normal>).
21:03:17kugelwell, I don't think that works well
21:04:38gitsterSo that's the design level issue I have with the patch I do not have a good answer for (well, what the patch does was the best answer I came up with, anyway).
21:06:19kugelthe only thing I could imagine is to distribute the steps relative to the max value (such as 50..74|75..99|101...150|151...200|100)
21:06:25kugelbut I think what you have is good enough
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21:07:44gitsterIf there is max value (and perhaps min value), that might probably be a better approach. I just didn't know if they (exist|are available to the codepath). I am new to the codebase.
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21:08:15gitsterAnyway, nice talking to you guys, and thanks for porting this to Fuze ;-)
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21:11:44bertrikI see a bunch of lines on the display of the meizu m6 sp now
21:12:14bertriknot resemblance at all to a rockbox logo yet though
21:12:14n1sbertrik: is that better or worse than what you had before?
21:12:29bertrikn1s, before I just had a white screen
21:12:50n1sin that case: yay! and congratulations :)
21:13:13*n1s thinks we have too many ports to keep track of now
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21:18:30ercanirockbox works on rockchips ?
21:19:28evilnickercani: is the only mention that I've found, so have a read through that thread
21:20:01evilnickBut in short, if it's not listed on the front page of then it's not supported.
21:20:54tmztercani: there's a site or someting, they might know
21:21:15ercanithere are lots of made in china mp4 players
21:21:34ercaniso, i want to try
21:21:57tmztit's not on topic here
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21:22:26evilnicktmzt: It is if ercani is offering to help with a port
21:22:28gevaertstmzt: talking about possible ports?
21:22:55tmztfor a z80 device? have you guys seen
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21:23:01tmztnot sure if rockchips is z80 though
21:23:08gevaertstmzt: not all are I think
21:23:09tmztah, try a port
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21:25:11ercanii want to try for rockchip or ingenic jz
21:26:21evilnickercani: Have a read of this:
21:26:29ercanibut there is not much information about rockchip
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21:27:38evilnickAll the knowledge that Rockbox has collected about those will be in the forum thread that I linked to, and/or the wiki page (if it exists) for that port.
21:28:16ercaniI am reading it. by the way, rockbox has TTS engine working on mp4 player?
21:28:30ercanii did not understand it well
21:29:09n1sercani: no, rockbox can use pregenerated tts clips to voice the user interface
21:29:18evilnickNot quite; it has a system that will speak the names of files/folders but those clips have to be generated while the target is connected to the computer
21:29:46ercaniso it is festival, not flite ?
21:30:06n1sercani: both work for generatign the clips
21:30:27ercanii see
21:31:51ercaniit will hard to get datasheet
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21:32:58n1sit's generally a question of if the chip designer/manufacturer has released one or not, this does not seem to be the case for the rockchips from what i've gathered
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21:36:20ercaniit is like a blackbox
21:36:37ercaniinstalling linux kernel will be trouble
21:37:46gevaertspossibly. A good thing we don't need to do that :)
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21:41:24ercanianyone tried for ingenic cpu ?
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21:42:05gevaertswe do have some ingenic-based targets IIRC
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21:42:26ercaniit has toolchain and other files on its web page
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21:46:11gevaertsercani: see and
21:48:29Bagderalthough ingenic is not the cpu...
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21:49:44ercaninot cpu?
21:49:49HillshumThe arch is mips
21:50:07Bagderon those archs, yes, ingenic is a company and they make many hw archs
21:50:57Bagderso based only on it being "ingenic" it says very little
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22:20:41CIA-85New commit by theseven (r23296): Fixed a bunch of iPod Nano 2G FTL bugs.
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22:22:18TheSeventook me long enough to catch these...
22:25:39kugeland there are probably even more!
22:26:10n1sthat isn't one very descriptive commit message ;)
22:26:29TheSevenwell, it at least tells which area was touched
22:26:56TheSevenif i'd explain why and how i fixed which things, which failed because of which reason, i could write several pages.
22:27:00n1sTheSeven: any chance this ftl is used in other players+
22:27:22TheSevenprobably a newer variant of it on the newer ipods
22:27:34TheSevenat least we've spotted it on the iphone/itouch
22:27:43n1ssounds good
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22:30:05n1sTheSeven: i meant that you could mention what the symptoms of the fixed bugs were for example, like fix bugs causing <something> (which leads to, maybe) or something, not that important but it usually saves a lot of interested users from comming in here to ask if revX fixes problemY in Z since it touches the files that implement Z
22:31:07TheSevenwell, it was the usual stuff, lockups, panics, cases where the norboot will wipe everything after a reboot because of excess corruption, ...
22:31:24TheSeventhere's one thing remaining for sure, and that's the power management-related trouble
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22:38:27TheSeven...and there are even more remaining
22:38:35TheSevenjust had a crashing transfer again
22:38:36CIA-85New commit by rob (r23297): Cleanup and expand D2 charger detection (not yet implemented for D2+).
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22:42:29bertriknot much progress on the m6sp display yet... I'm trying to flash the lcd id through the backlight but I get no meaningful data so far
22:43:20TheSevenno other means of output on that thing?
22:43:46bertrikthere's no LEDs or anything.
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22:44:07TheSeveni rather meant UART or even USB
22:44:16TheSeven(shouldn't the TCC driver work for that?)
22:44:32CIA-85New commit by rob (r23298): D2 should have HAVE_USB_POWER defined.
22:45:02bertrikI think it's very hard to get USB working without any means of feedback
22:45:30TheSevenif it works out of the box because it's the same controller?
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22:46:04bertrikTheSeven, I tried that on the meizu m3 which does have a working display but it turned out to be hard
22:46:14TheSevennot good :-/
22:46:49*TheSeven curses his ipod for copying music fine, but crashing every time you try to create a folder afterwards
22:48:58TheSevenhow can this be ftl-related!?
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22:49:58*TheSeven really needs better means of tracing the ftl
22:50:55polobricoloTheSeven: how do you enable the usb ? i see int the svn logs it is not enabled by default
22:51:02polobricolo*in the
22:51:16TheSevenlook at the bottom
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22:52:04bertrikTheSeven, maybe you can expose the raw NAND over USB too?
22:52:13TheSevenbut beware that the huge amounts of data you can transfer via USB are pretty likely to make even more FTL bugs visible
22:52:28TheSevenbertrik: shouldn't be too hard
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22:52:51TheSevenbut it's more like memory structures and code paths that i need to look at
22:53:02TheSeveni.e. why did this just select that block, and not another one?
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22:53:14TheSevenso a bunch of logf with proper output means will probably do
22:53:56shotofaddsTheSeven: how similar is the TCC usb controller to the Nano2G driver you implemented? yours looks rather easier to understand than the existing code...
22:54:20shotofadds(not expecting you to know it in depth.. just you said you looked at the TCC driver before)
22:54:40TheSeveni don't think it's similar at all
22:55:09TheSeveni just used the TCC thing to know which functions i need to implement and roughly what they are supposed to do
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22:55:27TheSeventhe actual implementation is more-or-less ibugger code translated to C
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22:56:05shotofaddsah ok, it looks fairly straightforward though. I should at least be able to pick up some hints as to what is needed
22:56:09TheSevenin fact, the s3c6400x controller (which i implemented) seems to do a lot more in hardware than the tcc
22:56:23TheSevenlooks like it's somewhere in the middle between ARC and TCC
22:56:42TheSevenshotofadds: which one are you planning to implement?
22:57:27CIA-85New commit by rob (r23299): D2: Remove the hardcoded driver-level touchscreen calibration, since it's done at apps level as well now.
22:57:50shotofaddsTheSeven: I need to make the TCC one work properly :/
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23:00:51ercani4M 4 banks 16 bits: this means of 64mb of sdram ?
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23:02:57*LambdaCalculus37 wishes to give a contributor among us due credit
23:03:56*JdGordon| wonders which online retailers accept LambdaCalculus37 credit payments?
23:04:19*TheSeven curses his ipod for apparently causing a STOP 0x00000023 BSOD
23:04:23LambdaCalculus37JdGordon|: Not a retailer... a man!
23:04:27LambdaCalculus37A man with Gigabeats!
23:05:25CIA-85New commit by rmenes (r23300): A man who is long due for credit: added Christophe "toffe" ...
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23:08:01n1sercani: 4M*4*16b = 256Mb = 32MB
23:08:52ercaniaahh, it is small b
23:09:29CtcpPing from gevaerts!n=fg@rockbox/developer/gevaerts
23:09:31TheSevenLambdaCalculus37: nice revision number for that one!
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23:11:34LambdaCalculus37TheSeven: Heh. :)
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23:11:54*shotofadds wonders what's causing the upload bottleneck from my build client to Sweden
23:12:20shotofaddsthe last few rounds I've not managed to upload anything except logs, everything gets killed off atfer ~2 minutes uploading :(
23:12:41shotofaddsyet a speed tester reveals no problems
23:13:55bertrikgevaerts, did you manage to flash out the lcd id with the backlight on the meizu m6sl?
23:14:15gevaertsbertrik: yes
23:15:33bertrikthe OF suggests that there can be two LCDs: one that is detected with the lcd id over SPI and another that is not.. the problem is that not seeing and lcd id could still be valid
23:15:56gevaertsa long time ago though, when the clock setup was different, so SPI might have behaved differently
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23:19:00ercanin1s: biggest one is 128mb ?
23:19:59n1sbiggest what?
23:20:34ercanimobile ddr2 ram
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23:20:53ercani1024 is 128MB ?
23:21:46n1susually one byte (B) is 8 bits (b) ram *chips* are often speced in bits
23:23:15ercanithe higher density is 1024 ?
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23:28:37*kugel notices wrong usage of event callbacks :/
23:32:32saratogaercani: datasheets usually say what the units are, then you can convert to bytes if needed
23:33:23ercanii will replace the ddr2 on a mainboard
23:33:42ercaniwith highest density is 128MB
23:34:12ercaniit seems the highest one is 128MB on the market
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23:47:13*kugel pokes bertrik about the dbop patch
23:48:19bertrikI'm done for today
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23:54:47CIA-85New commit by kugel (r23301): Correct wrong usage of event callbacks all over the place. It's not supposed to return anything, and should take a data parameter. ...
23:55:02CIA-85New commit by kugel (r23302): Convert lcd_activation callbacks to use the event system to allow for multiple parallel callbacks (for custom statusbar). ...
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23:56:04ercaniarm926 jaz. has fpu ?

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