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#rockbox log for 2009-10-27

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00:05:00TheSeventhe s5l8720 seems to indeed have the same usb controller as the s5l8701...
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00:13:17*bertrik should work on the s5l8700 usb controller
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00:17:03linuxstbTheSeven: I'm here now...
00:17:46TheSevenlinuxstb: if you don't need your nano for the next 1.5 days, you may do a battery bench for me
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00:18:17linuxstbTheSeven: Sure. What Rockbox should I run?
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00:23:50stripwaxdoes that imply 36 hours battery .. ?
00:25:06*stripwax tries out a putsxyof benchmark
00:26:37TheSevenstripwax: ~33h with my benchmark I did during the last days, and there was still a bug that might have reduced the run time
00:27:03TheSevenand of course my battery is 3 years old, heavily used and of course it was regularly mistreated (deep discharges etc.)
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00:29:04stripwaxthat's incredible, what's OF on those things
00:29:17*linuxstb starts a battery_bench on his nano2g
00:30:07TheSevenstripwax: apple claims to do 24h, and somebody reported 28h on a brand new battery
00:30:25saratogaTheSeven: you tested with MP3?
00:30:25stripwaxis the 33h bench doing audio decode or just 33h uptime on idle?
00:30:32TheSevenaudio decode
00:30:38TheSevensaratoga: yes
00:30:52saratogaTheSeven: run time is likely much greater with VOrbis, WMA or FLAC then
00:31:00saratogaMP3 will be fairly power hungry on your target
00:31:06*linuxstb is running an mp3 benchmark
00:31:14stripwaxis it single core?
00:31:17saratogawe still haven't come up with a good solution for mp3 being slow on arm
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00:31:28saratogawe just side stepped it on PP by using both cores
00:31:40linuxstbstripwax: Yes, a 192MHz single core ARM
00:32:26TheSeven191.6928MHz to be exact :-)
00:32:44*linuxstb bows head in shame at that error
00:32:56stripwax:) for sure this time? btw isn't that an odd clock rate .. ?
00:33:10stripwaxodd as in, tricky to drive 44.1khz
00:33:25saratogamost targets don't actually run at X.0MHz since their crystal oscillators don't run at exactly an integer number of MHz
00:33:46TheSevenour crystal is 1843200 Hz
00:33:52TheSevenso 115200 x 16 :-)
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00:34:21TheSevenand we have lots of quite flexible plls and dividers, which are doing 44.1kHz just fine
00:34:30stripwaxfair enough
00:34:54bertrikIIRC you can do 44.1 kHz exactly
00:35:23TheSevenyes, in theory it's exact
00:35:46TheSevenmy measurements claim there's a 0.1% error, but that's probably rather a measuring error :-)
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00:54:17saratogais ci.curpos supposed to be always increasing during playback?
00:56:26saratogabasically i'm wondering if test_codec is ok with it being circular so that it wraps around when it hits the end of the memory buffer
00:57:09JdGordon2isnt curpos the position in the track?
00:57:54*TheSeven will go to sleep now
00:58:35saratogaJdGordon2: yes
00:59:00saratogabut if test codec uses a circular buffer at some point it would wrap around to zero
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01:02:13stripwaxUsing the font from cabbiev2 on ipod video - appx 13-14 thousand characters printed to screen per second @ 80MHz, 5000 chars per second @ 30MHz. Not including LCD update. Printing with COLORBAR style seems apx 16% faster than STYLE_DEFAULT oddly (STYLE_DEFAULT seems slowest)
01:02:57*gevaerts can help with that
01:03:38saratogalinuxstb: still awake?
01:10:36stripwaxso assuming you can get lcd_update fullscreen at 100fps at 30MHz, then at 10fps you could update 4500 chars to the lcd (assuming 10fps updates takes 10% of the time). these results seem much better than you would get scrolling in list view on ipod video.. is the overhead perhaps elsewhere?
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01:15:55stripwaxgah, ok it's 37fps at 30MHz lcd updates. so 10fps updates would take about 25% of the time, => 3700 chars per sec. So about 370 chars per frame.
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01:18:49stripwaxIs UI also sluggish on ipod photo & color ? notice that those have similarly lowish lcd frame rate
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02:10:59Blue_DudeI've been seeing an issue with the keypresses in the WPS screen taking several seconds to take effect when playing a song in a large playlist. This has only seemed to be an issue in the last few weeks. Anyone else seeing this?
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03:22:32dmehlerHello, is anyone using a Sandisk Sansa Clip with Rockbox? I was trying to get an e280, got a clip used and was wondering if Rockbox worked with it before i decided what to do.
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03:29:44lvkroHi! Is it possible to update the database in rockbox? I cannot find the option to do so
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03:33:09lvkroI just found it :)
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03:49:24gregoroviusHi... i have a 5.5g ipod, i'm wondering if it's possible to use the scroll wheel to control freedoom; since using only the buttons is not really enough
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03:50:05gregoroviusnot being able to walk backwards is annoying
03:50:20newbie3356hello anyone alive in here that can help with a couple questions
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03:52:10mc2739newbie3356: ask away - maybe somebody will have an answer - if you don't ask, surely nobody will
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03:53:36mc2739gregorovius: I believe the doom plugin has the option to set keys - have you tried that?
03:54:18newbie3456ok so I got a Impecca MP-1825 ipod nano 4th gen look alike and the firmware sucks.. I am looking to flash it with something else.. but I don't see it listed on the website
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03:55:29mc2739newbie3456: an ipod look alike is not an ipod - and Rockbox does not support the ipod nano 4g anyway
03:55:39gregoroviusmc2739, yes I have, it doesn't seem to be an option, I was hoping to find a dev or someone who knows if it can be done
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03:57:01mc2739gregorovius: you can always download the source and change the keymaps in the plugin
03:57:59gregoroviusmc2739, to elaborate, the doom plugin does have a menu option to change the keymaps, but the scrollwheel isn't an option
03:58:02newbie3456I understand it but I was just wondering if there was a way to find out what chip or what I should look for... my wife bought this crap off ebay instead of waiting for me to look into mp3 players
04:00:38mc2739newbie3456: It is not a model I am familiar with. Even if the "chip" is the same as one in a supported device, there would still need to be a lot of effort to port Rockbox to it.
04:00:48mc2739newbie3456: look here for info:
04:01:25newbie3456I have done assembler programming back in the day on 8086 and hacked lots of firmware...just started looking for info a few mins ago
04:02:15*JdGordon grons at the snr of the dev ml.... i cant find the post im looking for :(
04:03:16mc2739gregorovius: there is a patch on the tracker called "Doom Scollwheel Patch" - I do not know if it works or will even apply cleanly
04:04:43JdGordonkugel: ok. how about we start again with that patch? besides the API change whats the issues?
04:05:08JdGordonmy point is that statusbar is a very bad name for what it actually is... (thats a side issue though)
04:05:23newbie3456thanks... not sure this garbage mp3 player is worth programming for...just to make china more money...
04:05:26JdGordonviewport.c should be either returning the UI viewport, or the entire display
04:05:45JdGordonthe current inbuil statusbar handinlg code is bad and needs to be removed
04:06:29JdGordonviewport.c should just be in charge of fixing the viewports, imo the "statusbar" enable-ing should be a seperate area
04:06:36kugelwe can change everything if you want (and if we talk about it); but I don't like that you're mixing things that you think that need to be fixed with the plin objection of the patch to convert the classic statusbar with a skinned one
04:07:32kugelsurely I'm not against doing this, but reviewing is hard, if you review a patch that you generally agree with but that has quite numerious unrelated changes that you don't quite agree with
04:07:55kugeland the viewportmanager was your idea
04:08:12JdGordonI always said viewportmanager was a temp (poor) solution
04:08:32JdGordonI'm trying to find my email which actually explains my idea from months ago :(
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04:09:41gregoroviusthanks mc2739, I see there's some work on it, but it doesn't seem to be ready for primetime
04:10:12*JdGordon finds the post and cringes :p
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04:20:08JdGordonshow me a sbs which works outside of themes I can guarentee I can make a theme where it wont work... and vice versa
04:20:45kugelshow me, show me, show me...the feature is brand-new
04:21:02JdGordonwhich is why this needs to be sorted out now...
04:21:11kugelyou can always make a theme work with a specific sbs that's that the question
04:21:30JdGordonthe sbs knows where it wants to draw... right?
04:21:47kugelthe ui viewport always overrides the%Vi, period. I don't the anything that needs to be sorted out
04:22:12JdGordonanswer the question.... the sbs knows where it wants to draw.. yes or no?
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04:22:33kugelyes it does, since viewports are required
04:22:43JdGordonas does the wps... yes?
04:23:11kugeldepends, the default vp is ambigous
04:23:27JdGordonthe list always draws where its told right?
04:24:12JdGordon... yes....
04:24:30JdGordonso how on earth does it make sense for the setting which is used for the list to control where it gets displayed?
04:25:05JdGordonthe only reason I can tihnk of is to have a border to fit a background image... in which case the themer should just modify the sbs
04:25:32kugelagain, I don't want a sbs tied to a single theme
04:25:51JdGordonits not
04:27:45JdGordonif the sbs controls the ui vp then it will fit into any theme with minimal effort.... if the setting controls the ui vp then the sbs very likely wont work because the list will draw over it
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04:36:33JdGordonok, I assume that silence means acceptance... good.. so we can move to the ambiguity of the default vp in the wps.... my thinking is.... no tag: use the ui vp, %we is also the ui vp forced (which could mean the equivilant of todays tiny bar), %wd is obviously full display
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05:00:30kugelJdGordon: the slience wasn't accaptence, I was just afk. I'm going to bed now too, good night!
05:00:53kugelneither acceptance
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07:48:15funmanlinuxstb: mind if I replace utils/AMS/hacking/amsinfo by the tool I had written? It features colours, blocks dumping, and supports clipv2-like OF format
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09:25:05linuxstbfunman: Sure, no problem.
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11:46:33distant_voiceI just got my Sansa Fuze. Now I'm trying to install Rockbox on it. RockboxUtility doesn't autodetect my player (which is in MSC mode), but I can select it's mount point myself. I am in Ubuntu Linux. Now it asks me to select the original firmware but it doesn't recognize it. what should I do?
11:48:07distant_voicewould it help to just feed it an older firmware file? and would that mess up my fuze. I've already installed the newest firmware on it.
11:50:47AlexPThe released rbutil doesn't support the fuze
11:50:57AlexPUse the manual install method described in the manual
11:51:07AlexPOr rather
11:51:15AlexPIt doesn't support the newest firmwre
11:51:20AlexP(I think) ;)
11:51:30*AlexP summons funman to correct him :)
11:51:39distant_voicewould it help to just feed it an older firmware file?
11:52:15distant_voiceand that won't do any harm even though it's not the version that's currently installed?
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11:53:01funmanthat will revert the installed firmware to the older version
11:53:18distant_voiceoh, well I don't mind that
11:53:27distant_voicethanks a lot, I'll try that now
11:54:25AlexPfunman: Can you use the newest firmware for a manual install
11:54:42funmanif you build mkamsboot yourself yes, else no
11:55:03distant_voiceit's working :)
11:55:15AlexPfunman: OK
11:55:49distant_voicerockboxutility will support the latest firmware eventually right?
11:56:07AlexPThe next release will do
11:56:40funmandistant_voice: what is the message from rockbox utility when you select the newest firmware ? is it explicit enough ?
11:56:42distant_voicecan I reupgrade once rockbox is installed? or will that mess up my rockbox installation?
11:57:39distant_voiceyes, it says it doesn't know the selected firmware and that I should try an older version. It suggests a version for the e200 (or something like that) though
11:58:46AlexPIf you re-upgrade the OF it'lll uninstall the Rockbox bootloader
11:58:47Torneif you install the latest OF again it will replace rockbox
11:59:08gevaertsonly the bootloader :)
11:59:13distant_voiceok, thanks :)
11:59:30AlexPdistant_voice: You are on linux right?
11:59:41distant_voiceUbuntu 9.10
12:00:07AlexPdistant_voice: So if you wanted you could build SVN mkamsboot which knows how to use the new OF
12:00:19funmanyou can also build rbutil
12:00:34AlexPIf you really want the newest OF :)
12:01:07distant_voicemeh, I'm not motivated enough to do that, I can wait for the next version of Rbutil
12:01:24distant_voiceI'm not even sure what I gain from using the latest OF
12:01:47AlexPno idea :)
12:02:32distant_voicedo I have to download and convert album art manually to make it work with the fuze or how does that work?
12:05:13distant_voicethanks, Songbird will probably help me getting this to work
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12:49:15Rand_AlthorWhen my batteries are too low to start my DAP, I have to connect to the computer in order to power-on. Is there a way to force booting to RB when power-on is caused by connecting to the computer?
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12:50:50TorneWhich player?
12:51:52Torneyou mean it goes into the OF when you power on by connecting the USB cable?
12:52:09TorneYour bootloader is old then
12:52:20TorneIt used to do that because USB wasn't enabled in Rockbox
12:52:25Rand_AlthorRB or Sansa?
12:52:30Rand_Althorwhich bootloader
12:52:30Tornethe rockbox bootloader.
12:52:56Torneinstall the latest bootloader with rbutil and it should boot rockbox when powered on via USB
12:53:30Torneyou don't normally need to update the bootloader but this is one case :)
12:53:48Rand_Althorwill do. Thank you.
12:55:22Rand_Althorcan I use RButil on a e200R?
12:56:28Rand_AlthorI'll build it.
12:56:44Tornei don't know about the e200r.
12:57:00Rand_AlthorWon't work.
12:57:08Rand_Althori can build the BL though.
12:57:47mc2739Rand_Althor: linux or windows?
12:57:57Rand_AlthorUbuntu in VMware
12:58:18Rand_Althorthat OK?
12:58:39mc2739yes. see:
12:59:10mc2739and the latest bootloader is here:
12:59:53Rand_AlthorI've built and installed the bootloader on this DAP before, but I have to still do that patching?
13:00:38mc2739not the patching, just use it for reference
13:00:57Rand_Althorthank you.
13:02:45mc2739Rand_Althor: just copy that bootloader to the root of your e200r and reboot the OF.
13:03:16Rand_Althoroh thanks. So no recovery/manufacturing mode stuff?
13:04:45mc2739no, since you have already patched it. The OF will do a firmware upgrade and reboot. You should then have the v6.0 Rockbox bootloader.
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13:16:56Rand_AlthorNew bootloader working. However when I power-on by connecting to computer I cannot transfer files. I looked at the manual, and REC button changes mode, but no modes seem to allow file transfer...?
13:18:43mc2739That is for the HID mode - it allows you to use your dap to control the PC and should not interfere with file transfers.
13:20:41Rand_AlthorI disconnected and reconnected from the computer. It starts in "Multimedia Mode", and Windows (XP SP3) does not detect a new drive.
13:21:39Torneit always has file transfers
13:21:45Tornethe HID mode is irrelevant
13:22:33mc2739Rand_Althor: is your vmware running?
13:23:03Rand_AlthorYes. But no VM is "powered-on".
13:23:54Rand_AlthorIf the e200 is already powered-on when I connect to the computer XP sees it, but not if I power-on by connecting to computer.
13:25:15Rand_AlthorI didn't do anything with an "OF.mi4" in the "system" folder on my DAP. Is that only required once?
13:25:46Rand_Althorvmware is closed now BTW.
13:26:00mc2739that is required for booting to the OF with the left button
13:26:34mc2739Rand_Althor: what is you Rockbox version?
13:26:50Rand_Althorone sec...
13:27:55Rand_AlthorI can boot OF with "left" key.
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13:30:46mc2739I am not sure what is happenning here. When I boot my e200r with the cable, I see the sandisk logo, the Rockbox v6.0 bootloader, and the the Rockbox firmware logo (r23359), and then the USB logo, then windows autoplay.
13:31:29Rand_Althorinstalling latest RB from the site...
13:31:44Rand_Althorhow do I make this text italic?
13:33:05TorneThe problem is that vmware only connects usb devices to the VM when it's told to, no?
13:33:36Torneoh wait, i misread
13:33:39Rand_Althori'm only running XP now.
13:33:55Tornewhat's your rockbox start screen set to?
13:34:09Tornethere's a bug where certain settings stop early usb from working
13:34:38Rand_Althorresume playback
13:34:48mc2739that is the problem then
13:35:17mc2739change your startup screen back to msin msenu and try again
13:35:28Rand_Althoris trying
13:36:48*Torne thought resume playback worked, but maybe not
13:36:51Rand_Althormain menu worked. Thank you. Any other settings known to interfere?
13:36:56TorneNo, it's just that one
13:36:58mc2739Torne: good catch
13:37:52Rand_AlthorThank god, I may never have to see the OF on this guy again. Thanks a lot guys.
13:37:54Tornei try :)
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14:24:20TheSevenheh, what about rockbox on ipt2g?
14:25:07TheSevenwe'll need to implement that soc anyways (for the 4g), so an itouch port may actually be quite doable
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15:48:38Rand_AlthorI can't start a recording. Press button - nothing happens. (plenty of room on partition)
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15:55:12Rand_AlthorI updated my firmware earlier today (because my old one didn't boot to RB on USB-caused power-on). All I did was copy the ppXXX.mi4 file to the root of my e200R. I also notice that when I disconnect after reinstalling RB, that the "ROLO"? screen doesn't prompt me for a restart.
15:56:14Rand_AlthorI tried setting my "recording dir" to internal and external. No go...?
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15:58:59mc2739Rand_Althor: the ROLO will only happen if the Rockbox firmware file has changed
15:59:21Rand_Althorok. Any idea why recording won't work?
16:00:48Rand_AlthorRemember to move your clocks back this weekend.
16:02:22mc2739Rand_Althor: does it work if you select Recording from the main menu?
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16:03:55Rand_AlthorWait - sorry. I guess the start button got changed to the REC button.
16:05:21mc2739I see that now - press rec then play to start recording
16:06:10Rand_Althormine starts recording as soon as I press the REC button (while in the WRS)
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16:10:05pyro_maniacTheSeven: you talked about the ipt2g. can you run code on that?
16:10:22mc2739Rand_Althor: actually, I think it was changed to a long press of the rec button. Then in the recording scren press rec again to start saveing to a file
16:10:35TheSeveni don't have one, and i have never tried, but we know the iphone guys can :-)
16:11:28pyro_maniacand hardware is similar to the 4g or only soc?
16:12:04TheSevenwe don't know much about either one of them, but i would say it' likely that the rest (besides the display and tochscreen of course) is similar
16:13:36Rand_Althormc2739: I typed confusingly. I meant what you said.
16:15:17mc2739Rand_Althor: it may have always been a long press, I don't ever do recording, so I'm not sure
16:16:08Rand_Althormaybe. My problem was with how start the recording once in the WRS.
16:19:28peturhmmm I add somebody to the wave addressbook but doesn't show up in the google contacts list O_o
16:19:51Rand_AlthorHave a good day. Daylight Savings Time changes this weekend.
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17:03:06HillshumHere it's this weekend
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17:29:58mattispuzzledHi. is there anybody who can help me with e200 tool?? It would be much appreciated :)
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17:33:05mc2739mattispuzzled: what sort of help do you need?
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17:36:48saratogaI assume this is the same matt:
17:37:41mattispuzzledyes lol
17:38:05mattispuzzledI think if I can just find out what <b1> is I might just be able to fix my mp3 player
17:38:16mattispuzzledand it is *required* so what is it? address??
17:38:35saratogahave you read this:
17:38:51mattispuzzledthat is where I found out about the tool
17:39:20mattispuzzledbut the e200tool page does not explain step by step how to do e/a function
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17:40:09saratogawhere did you see the i2cwrite part then?
17:41:00mattispuzzledChanServ: when I say ./e200tool
17:41:05mattispuzzledit gives a list of allc commands
17:41:26saratogai don't think you really want to write to the i2c bus, but rather probably to the device's disk
17:41:37mattispuzzledi2cwrite write to an i2c device
17:41:51saratogaand which i2c device do you expect to write to?
17:41:52mattispuzzledUm actually I am almost sure my i2c is corrupt
17:42:02mattispuzzledHrm... maybe that is what <B1> is?
17:42:08mattispuzzledThat is what I'm trying to find out
17:42:11saratogai2c is a bus
17:42:13mattispuzzledI was hoping some of you would know
17:42:21saratogalike PCI or IDE
17:42:35mattispuzzledso what should I put in for <b1> ?
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17:42:43saratogamaybe you should just follow the directions in th wiki
17:42:49mattispuzzledanyway it boots right into manuf. mode with a blue ring automaticly
17:43:00mattispuzzledthat is a symptom of a bad i2c rom
17:43:09gevaertsit's not
17:43:28gevaertsit's a symptom of a bad bootloader
17:43:48mc2739there are also other reasons for it to boot into that mode
17:44:14saratogaif you don't have any idea what you're doing you should reconsider your plan to invent a new way to fix your player, and first try the ones that people who do know what they're doing have written
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17:45:21mattispuzzledyou think I don't know what I'm doing eh?
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17:45:27mattispuzzledSounds like you don't even know
17:45:34saratogawell you did just try to dump a rom file onto your i2c bus
17:45:46gevaertsyou most probably just need ./e200tool recover pribootLoader.rom
17:45:58mattispuzzledI am about to try that
17:46:00saratogawhich is what the wiki told you to do
17:46:03mattispuzzledif I can get it to recognize
17:46:58mattispuzzledargh... it says it is busy
17:47:09mattispuzzledSearching for device 0b70:0003 ... found! Failed to claim the interface (-16, Device or resource busy)
17:47:42gevaertsyou are running this with root privileges, right?
17:47:53mattispuzzledyep sudo
17:48:07mattispuzzledif I don't do sudo it says not permitted or something
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17:48:18GodEater"not permitted or something"
17:48:23GodEaterwhat an error
17:48:47mattispuzzled*Searching for device 0b70:0003 ... found! Failed to claim the interface (-16, Device or resource busy)
17:48:59mattispuzzled***Failed to claim the interface (-1, Operation not permitted)
17:49:06mattispuzzled^that is without sudo
17:49:08gevaerts"Failed to claim the interface" is a host-side error. That means some other driver on your system is trying to access this
17:49:18GodEaterudev / HAL ?
17:49:20mattispuzzledHow do I fix that? :)
17:49:32*gevaerts wonders if the libgphoto bug is advanced enough to cause this
17:49:37gevaertsTry stopping hal
17:49:45mattispuzzledsudo kill hal ?
17:49:56GodEateroh god
17:50:15mattispuzzled. . .
17:50:33gevaertsno, using the official way for your distribution
17:50:45mattispuzzledI have openSUSE 11.0
17:51:59GodEaterwe can't help you with your distro - we're not a linux support channel
17:52:06GodEaterif you don't know how to shut it down gracefully
17:52:10GodEateryou'll need to find someone who does
17:52:49GodEaterthough for the record "sudo kill <insertprogramhere>" is almost never the graceful way
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17:53:20mattispuzzledoh lol
17:53:25mattispuzzledis it under processes?
17:53:54*gevaerts has never used opensuse
17:54:12GodEaterI have, but not for about 9 versions
17:54:16GodEaterso I have no clue either
17:54:37GodEaterso I repeat "we can't help you with your distro"
17:55:29GodEatertry #SUSE or #openSUSE
17:56:39GodEaterthere's hundreds of people in there, I just looked.
17:57:17mattispuzzledwhat network?
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17:57:31GodEaterthis one
17:58:05*GodEater is off home
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18:09:08matthewi'm back [mattispuzled]
18:09:17matthewthey told me to use rchal stop as root
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18:09:26Guest89785i am logged in asroot, and it shut down HAL DAEMON
18:09:36Guest89785argh it keeps changing me to "guest####
18:09:48Guest89785annyway it still says failed to claim device
18:10:52tomersIs there anyone here that compiles rbutil on Windows using the latest Qt SDK (2009.04)?
18:12:06Guest89785yes! it's recognizing it!
18:12:10Guest89785I did a bootloader restore
18:12:11Guest89785no luck
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18:17:18Guest89785(none):~/Desktop # sudo ./e200tool i2cprogram c240-i2c.bin e200tool v0.2.3-alpha (c) by MrH 2006, 2007 Programming i2c rom (address=87) range 0x0000-0x2000 from 'c240-i2c.bin' Searching for device 6666:e200 ... found! Uploading at 0x2000 Uploading done! Programming, please wait... Programming failed (-32, Broken pipe) *DANGER*, player might not be bootable now! Please retry!
18:19:17krazykitdid you retry?
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18:27:20gevaertsGuest89785: why did you try the i2cprogram again?
18:30:19topiktoo stubborn to use a suggestion from someone with experience?
18:34:58tomersgevaerts, bluebrother, mc2739 and anyone else who is interested: I've posted a revised patch at "FS #10728 - Cowon D2: Add support for D2 in rbutil". I would like your opinion. I think it is ready for commit.
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18:36:25bertrikI noticed a couple of functions in apps/gui/list.c that are completely enclosed in #ifdef LCD_BITMAP. Can't we just move them to apps/gui/bitmap/list.c?
18:37:07bertrik(I tried that some time ago and it looked a lot cleaner, getting rid of some nasty redefinitions with extern for example)
18:37:58bertrikoh, I no longer see the externs
18:38:01Guest89785yes i retried
18:38:16Guest89785what do you want me to try?
18:38:27Guest89785I have to leave for ct in 1/2 hr
18:38:40Guest89785gotta get ready sooner than that, what's ur suggestion :)
18:39:11*gevaerts 's first suggestion is to follow the guidelines and use real words
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18:39:30Guest89785Ok so I just did the recover bootrom
18:39:43Guest89785(none):~/Desktop # ./e200tool recover loader.rom
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18:40:31Guest89785i renamed it
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18:40:41Guest89785i like renaming large files if i have to type them in terminal ^_^
18:40:45Guest89785but it does no good
18:40:52Guest89785my thing has a bad i2c rom!
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18:40:57gevaertsyou mean you got no MSC device?
18:41:30Guest89785in windows it says 'portal media player'
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18:41:43Guest89785that is also what rockbox says it says when it got bad i2c
18:41:57Guest89785either rockbox or somewhere else
18:42:13gevaertsit says that whenever it has no bootloader, whatever the reason
18:43:23Guest89785ohh i see
18:43:32Guest89785this boots mt player
18:43:52Guest89785then it is supposed to boot into recovery
18:43:57Guest89785but it doesn't
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18:44:56bertrikdid you hold the record button?
18:44:59gevaertsbut e200tool says that it's working?
18:46:13Guest89785OK i'm 100% sure now
18:46:21Guest89785it says "Execution started"
18:46:21twaughHi, new to Rockbox, just tried installing on an iPod Nano (2nd gen), but I can't seem to get it to play anything. Most basic problem is that the file browser doesn't descend into directories for me, just redisplays the root directory −− any ideas?
18:46:29Guest89785That is when it's supposed to boot
18:46:45Mode"#rockbox +o logbot " by ChanServ (ChanServ@services.)
18:46:51Guest89785Hold your down button
18:47:09Guest89785then it says "display files" or something and it is pry on "supported"
18:47:15Guest89785you have to switch it to "all"
18:47:39Guest89785either that or go into settings and find it if holding down button don't work [hold down works for sansa e200[ :)
18:47:51Guest89785so yea bertrik and gevaerts
18:48:18Guest89785any ideas? my i2c is curropt otherwise it would boot my player :-S and when I try to program it it says broken pipe!!
18:48:40gevaertsGuest89785: well, I wouldn't be surprised if the i2c rom is corrupted *now*...
18:48:49twaughGuest89785: it's set to "all" (was Up button to get that) −− still happens though. :(
18:49:28Guest89785are the folders "hidden"?
18:49:35Guest89785when you look at it on your computer
18:49:41twaughNo, just normal folders
18:50:00twaughNo funny characters, no '.'s
18:50:17Guest89785:sigh: Idk. that was my only guess [hold down button]
18:50:19Guest89785restart maybe ;)
18:50:49scorche|shGuest89785: please dont give advice on subjects you dont know about...
18:50:55twaughGuest89785: Yeah, I've been playing with it for a while, and I've tried that plenty ;-)
18:51:04scorche|shtwaugh: what do you use to try to go inot a folder?
18:51:11topikdid you put any music on it after installing rockbox twaugh ?
18:51:20topikor are you expecting the stuff itunes put on it before?
18:51:24twaughI clicked 'Select'
18:52:00Guest89785does the .rockbox folder appear??
18:52:10Guest89785but nothing else??
18:52:34scorche|shtwaugh: neither select nor >> works?
18:52:50Guest89785[You could try making a music folder .rockbox/music/* and put your files there heh heh] ;) ;)
18:52:51twaughtopik: well, I had tried putting music on earlier; since then I used iTunes (as normal with normal f/w), and wanted to navigate to where those files are
18:52:54gevaertstwaugh: I'd suggest checking the filesystem, using the OF
18:53:03topikthe .rockbox dir is normally hidden
18:53:07topikdon't put any music inthat
18:53:14twaughtopik: no, I'm leaving that alone
18:53:20Guest89785topik: no it's not normally hidden
18:53:26Guest89785it shows up on my rockbox
18:53:27twaughgevaerts: OF?
18:53:36gevaertstwaugh: original firmware
18:53:36topikthe music itunes put on it is deep in inside the ipod_control directory
18:53:44scorche|shGuest89785: yes it is....the preceeding dot means it is a hidden folder
18:53:55Guest89785Sorry but it shows up for me
18:53:57scorche|shGuest89785: once again, please avoid giving incorrect advice to others...
18:54:07scorche|shbecause you have changed your show settings
18:54:31Guest89785i gues youdon't want my advice anyway
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18:54:56Guest89785:SIGh: and my sansa c240 is still broken :(
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19:06:38twaughscorche|sh: hmm, don't see an option for that in the original firmware
19:07:20topikyou can do it from your pc's operating system
19:08:57scorche|shtwaugh: option for what?
19:09:22twaughscorche|sh: sorry, was meant for gevaerts
19:10:17gevaertstwaugh: I mean, run the check while in the OF, since the rockbox flash implementation may still have bugs (we hope not, but...).
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19:12:17topikmeh, i'd better go read the nano 2g manual. i can't figure out how to leave the jpg viewer
19:13:00topikgood stuff, those manuals!
19:13:54twaughAnother question: if I've uninstalled the rockbox firmware but the 'hold' button makes the device reset, is that a broken nano? :-(
19:13:55TheSeventopik: as usual: center+menu briefly
19:14:29TheSevenif rockbox isn't running, it can't influence what the hold switch does
19:15:06topikyea, TheSeven, i just had never viewed a jpg in rockbox before :)
19:15:29TheSeventopik: this works for most plugins
19:15:51topikthe nervousness of the scrolling the menus on the nano 2g has much improved
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19:17:41topiki still need to sharpen my thumb a bit though. my chubby paws still manage to touch multiple contact points at once a lot
19:20:23bluebrotherTomers: I don't think that patch is ready for commit. It contains still too much unrelated stuff.
19:20:36bluebrotherwhich definitely should go separate.
19:20:49Tomersbluebrother: Like what?
19:21:57bluebrothersee my comment. That mkboot_common stuff.
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19:23:51bluebrotherfor example, filesize() is also used in sansapatcher and bin2c which aren't changed.
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19:26:12bluebrotherbesides, I don't see a need to hurry with D2 support in rbutil. That internal vs. SD issue makes it kinda unusable anyway.
19:26:45gevaertslots of people still seem to be using it
19:26:52bluebrothersomething similar to the issue we need to solve for beast support.
19:27:07bluebrothergevaerts: I was referring to rbutil support, not the port itself :)
19:28:18bluebrotherwhich means, for D2 support we need a way to distinguish between install and bootloader mountpoint, while for the beast we need something similar as there is no mountpoint for bootloader installation
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19:28:39gevaertshm, yes
19:28:55bluebrotherI'd rather add D2 support with completely leaving out bootloader installation instead.
19:29:15bluebrotherI've considered doing that for the beast for a start.
19:29:15Tomersbluebrother: About copyright, I took ownership on the header file, since I named all the function, and kept all others. I don't care about it much - whatever is right....
19:29:44bluebrotherTomers: as I wrote, I don't know if there's a policy how to handle that. But 2009 seems a bit ... off :)
19:30:13Tomerscowon/bootloader-d2.bin or cowond/d2/bootloader.bin ? I prefer the latter
19:31:43gevaertsbluebrother: completely leaving out bootloader installation means that people have to run the tool by hand. How about just ignoring the issue and placing the patched firmware near .rockbox, and showing a message saying that it still has to be moved?
19:32:06bluebrotherthe ipods use bootloader-<modelname>.bin, the beast bootloader.bin.
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19:32:24bluebrothermaybe going around and get people to agree on one way would be a good idea :)
19:33:15bluebrothergevaerts: yes, running it by hand is something you need to do for the beast too. Showing a message ... well, of course we could do this. I'm not sure if I like it though.
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19:37:29JdGordon|kugel: where were we?
19:37:50JdGordon|if the sbs controls the ui vp then it will fit into any theme with minimal effort.... if the setting controls the ui vp then the sbs very likely wont work because the list will draw over it
19:39:25kugelthe sbs controls the ui viewport. it's just that setting the ui viewport explicetely overrides that
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19:40:20JdGordon|my logical argument is that it doesnt make sense for the setting to override sbs
19:40:42kugelit does
19:41:06kugelthe theme for my fuze has a ui viewport that's even smaller than what the sbs would allow
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19:41:37JdGordon|which means the sbs with get draw over by the list?
19:42:26kugelin contrary, the list doesn't use all space that it could get
19:43:04JdGordon|sure, ok.. thats one example where it would work
19:43:28JdGordon|but in general.. the list doesnt care where its drawn.. the sbs *knows* where it wants to draw.. therefore the sbs shuold have priority
19:43:43JdGordon|for your example you would have to manually edit the sbs which imo isnt a big deal for this
19:44:49JdGordon|whereas when you try using a sbs with a theme which has a larger ui vp than the sbs, you have to fiddle with the *whole* sbs to make it work
19:44:50kugelsbs can be done absolutely generic (independant of backdrops for example), which I wanted to achieve. nevertheless my theme looks better if the UI viewport is a bit smaller
19:45:25kugelor fix the up viewport
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19:46:02kugelit surely can't work in all directions, but I largely prefer the current way
19:46:27JdGordon|the current way is illogical
19:46:40kugelthat's obviously subjective. it makes perfect sense to me
19:46:52JdGordon|and by your own admition... it makes the default vp in the wps ambiguous
19:47:00JdGordon|no.. loigc isnt subjective...
19:47:49kugelI don't see why a skin should override actual user settings
19:48:31JdGordon|because the user setting very likely doesnt make sense
19:48:50JdGordon|the only reason that setting should be there is when no sbs is loaded
19:48:51kugelvery likely?
19:49:24JdGordon|yes very likely... it will only ever make sense if its rectangle is inside the bounds of the Vi rect
19:49:52bertrikHow does bootloading usually work in rockbox? Does the bootloader usually run from IRAM/flash and loads the main rockbox binary to DRAM, or something like that?
19:50:30kugelJdGordon|: and that's more likely that the other way around?
19:51:20mitkkugel, JdGordon|: Hi. Can you comment FS #10717? Is there chance to commit it?
19:51:28Bagderbertrik: or just running in an SDRAM area that isn't used by the rockbox binary
19:51:55JdGordon|thats up for debate.. the point is still that the sbs knows where it needs to draw in and the setting doesnt care.. therefore giving the sbs priority makes logical sense
19:52:06tmztyou mean to boot from the filemanager?
19:52:31bertrikBagder, but you have to do it carefully in such a way that this doesn't mean any memory gets "lost" to the main rockbox binary, right?
19:52:45kugelbullshit. the "setting doesn't care" is just wrong
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19:53:03kugelobviously the setting is there because the user cares where to draw lists
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19:53:14Bagderbertrik: right, you could run the bootloader at the end of memory which you know rockbox won't use at load (used for static plugin loads)
19:53:21JdGordon|mitk: forgot about it :) yes, I want to commit it... you sure it adds to the .playlist_control file correctly?
19:53:35bluebrothergevaerts: thinking about it, would it be possible to install Rockbox on the internal memory of the D2 and simply have it put its configuration stuff on the external?
19:54:06JdGordon|kugel: the *user* might care.. the list doesnt.... and then you *are* tying the sbs to a theme
19:54:07mitkI tested it. It works. Like all other playlist manipulating commands.
19:54:49JdGordon|each track gets added as a "insert at position" command does it?
19:56:02JdGordon|kugel: because when you take the sbs and load it with another theme there is nothing guarneteeing it wont be drawn over
19:56:04kugelideally we would fix the ui viewport to be the maximum rect you get by combining the ui vp and %Vi
19:56:44mitkkugel: I used only erlier defined functions used by other commmands playing with playlists. And tested. So it works.
19:56:50JdGordon|ideally, we should stop allowing skins to be loaded except through a .cfg
19:56:59kugelnothing is ever guaranteed. most wps/sbs already break by just changing the font size
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19:57:25JdGordon|then the whole argument is silly and %Vi should be entirely removed
19:58:13*kugel generally doesn't consider limiting/removing existing features as ideal
19:58:44JdGordon|its not a feature... its a bug
19:59:54JdGordon|in fact... rmoving %Vi even makes your argument stronger
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20:01:07Blue_DudeI've been doing some source code editing. Is there a good reason why we don't typically use function prototypes? Any objections to putting them in?
20:01:09kugelno, %Vi is for the case where no ui vp is set (and as indicator for readers of the file). i.e. 98% of the themes
20:01:31CIA-85New commit by domonoky (r23368): Add mini2440 support to scramble
20:01:34cowgardenhi, is there any cheap good player with rockbox support buyable right now? sansa sandisk V1 is no where to be found I guess
20:02:23JdGordon|kugel: then the setting should be removed! having both is not a good idea
20:02:32JdGordon|Blue_Dude: ?
20:02:47kugelcan you stay serious?
20:02:54JdGordon|mitk: can you add the patch for the manual also? :) and ill commit it tonight if i remember and noone beats me to it
20:03:04cowgardenthe "in production" collum in the buyers guide is really sad
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20:03:17JdGordon|kugel: I dont know what gave you the impression that I'm not
20:03:22Blue_DudejdGordon: mostly we rely on function placement within the .c file to make sure it compiles cleanly. For some reason we don't use function prototypes. Any good reason why not?
20:03:38kugelyou act as every theme would magically use a sbs now
20:03:53kugelui viewport is a nice feature on its own
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20:04:42JdGordon|yes it is... I'm not doubting that.. but the sbs ui vp should be the prioritised one.... the setting means nothing if a sbs is loaded
20:04:45domonokyBlue_Dude: we should (and do use) function prototypes if some place does not.. please provide a patch :-)
20:05:23*JdGordon| wishes more people would join this disucssion
20:05:26Blue_Dudedomonoky: mostly we don't, at least in the code I've been looking at: pcmbuf, playback, dsp...
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20:06:20Blue_DudeThe only reason they compile at all is that the deepest code is written last, calling other code earlier in the file.
20:06:21mitkJdGordon|: Of course I can. But preferably in another commit tomorrow.
20:07:00cowgardenwhat about the new ports, any promising candidates? I gave up my hope for a TeleshipNAND support any time soon
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20:08:08JdGordon|Blue_Dude: it is used... the order doesnt really matter as long as its logical
20:08:14Blue_DudeI was wondering if this ought to be a style standard, and if so, where would the standard placement be? Includes, structs, enums, variable definitions, prototypes, then code? Or what?
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20:08:27JdGordon|actually... when that starts being the complaint you start wondering if the file shuoldnt eb split up more...
20:08:44domonokyBlue_Dude: at least i think we should use prototypes, its good style and helps maintenance. But we are not very strict with the placement of this things.. .
20:09:14*kugel finds prototypes annoying
20:09:32pixelmathat's a helpful argument
20:09:45*cowgarden is sad because no one has answers for him
20:09:45kugelwhen dealin with them at least; they're nice for reading of course ;)
20:09:45JdGordon|which one?
20:09:57Blue_DudeJdGordon: That's what brought it up. I'm doing an exploratory split of playback.c and its compliation is dependent on function order.
20:10:39domonokyBlue_Dude: so it would be nice, if you try to clean this up while you split the files :-)
20:10:43bertrikfunctions used by other modules should be declared as a prototype in a header file (no "extern" needed BTW), otherwise I like to keep explicit prototypes to a minimum
20:11:56bertrikand a .c file should always #include its own header file, to make sure that the prototype and the implementation are in sync (the compiler should warn if they're not)
20:12:03Blue_DudeWell, there you go. It's kinda like veggies. They're good for you but when it comes down to it, not everyone likes to eat them.
20:12:08*domonoky likes function prototypes, makes it easier to read and refactor. But it looks like there is no consens on this, so every devs does it how he likes in the files he writes :-)
20:13:19Blue_Dudebertrik: agreed. And that's the way it seems to be done for the most part. It's annoying though when you move code around to make it easier to read or more logical, but it won't compile without the prototype.
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20:14:16bertrikI can usually arrange the code in such a way that I don't need prototypes, which usually means that low-level functions are at the top of the .c file and the higher-level functions at the bottom
20:16:51*kugel thinks fixing the ui viewport so that it doesn't exceed the %Vi boundaries, but also so that it doesn't get bigger
20:16:58kugel+is the best way to solve it
20:17:14Blue_Dudebertrik: The problem is that sometimes the code is less readable that way, harder to follow.
20:19:01kugelI haven't had such a case yet
20:19:02Bob_C_Does using prototypes prevent any bugs?
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20:20:21Blue_DudeBob_C_: not really. If there's a problem it'll show up right away at compile time.
20:20:43Bob_C_So its really a style thing.
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20:22:25Bob_C_In which I case, I would leave it to people's judgement on a case by case basis
20:22:30Blue_DudeYeah, pretty much.
20:23:05BdN3504raasher is responsible for the sim page, right?
20:23:13Blue_DudeI just wanted to make sure that before I hacked up a file there wasn't some overriding reason for omitting them.
20:23:17JdGordon|kugel: thats the *complicated* way to solve it
20:23:47Blue_DudeAnyway, thanks for the input.
20:24:05kugelnot complicated at all
20:24:08mc2739BdN3504: yes, but the sim builds are created by soap
20:24:28JdGordon|that doesnt make the default vp in the wps any less ambiguous also
20:24:59kugelis that a problem?
20:25:01bertrikone disadvantage of using prototypes when they're not really needed is that if you change it, you have to change it at two locations
20:25:07JdGordon|course it is
20:25:23kugelthe default vp is always fullscreen or %Vi
20:25:46kugeli.e. everyting but the statusbar area, as it always was
20:26:02JdGordon|thats the opposite of the entire rest f your argument
20:26:09cowgardenyou can read what i write, do you?
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20:26:25kugelelaborate that please
20:26:31bertrikwhich is rather annoying than useful when refactoring
20:26:37cowgardenis it harmful to have a player running wihtout headphones attached?
20:26:43bertrikcowgarden, no
20:26:50cowgardenok, thx
20:28:52CIA-85New commit by bluebrother (r23369): Show status about downloading build information in the status bar.
20:29:53JdGordon|kugel: when it comes to the menus you said that the %Vi is ignored... that the setting takes over.... then you just said in the wps the setting is ignored and %Vi is used...
20:30:19kugelyea sure
20:30:28kugelthe UI viewport isn't for the WPS
20:30:36kugelit never was
20:32:46JdGordon|then it really makes no sense
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20:34:40BdN3504mc2739 we need new sims including the major changes of recent times
20:35:14BdN3504so i guess i have to compile them and send them to soap, how can i reach him?
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20:35:41mc2739he has not been around much lately
20:36:39kugelit all makes perfect sense to me. the UI viewport is ignored in skins (because they can be freely designed). every other place uses the ui viewport. and the ui viewport as a user setting overrides - where it'sactive - everything
20:36:41Stephen_does soap host sims ?
20:36:52mc2739I guess you could check with rasher about that since he hosts them.
20:36:52Stephen_rashers are old as at 12.10.2009
20:37:05BdN3504it's rashers server, right? so i might just contact him, if i get the chance to reach him
20:37:10kugelthe WPS never ever cared about the viewport lists are drawn into
20:38:03kugeland in fact, sbs didn't even change that
20:38:32BdN3504Stephen_: meaning before 2009-10-19: Support for customisable statusbars using the skin engine and .sbs files.
20:38:52Stephen_yeah i wanted to try some new themes with that feature
20:38:57JdGordon|this is getting very circular and silly...
20:41:07JdGordon|does anyone else in here care about how themes work?
20:42:30gevaertsbluebrother: hm, isn't the .rockbox path define shared between lots of things including codec and plugin paths apart from config stuff?
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20:43:29TheSevengevaerts: rolo too
20:43:41TheSevenor rather that "boot file changed" detection
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21:09:13kugeldomonoky: any plans to commit the touchscreen support for the mini2440 soon (or is it already in?)
21:12:05domonokykugel: i am currently working on that :-)
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21:20:51bluebrothergevaerts: don't know, that's why I'm asking :) But there was an attempt to separate .rockbox from configuration in the past. Trying it again might make sense :)
21:21:52gevaertsbluebrother: oh, it would certainly be a nice and clean solution. I just don't think it's going to be easy :)
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21:25:33gevaertsTomers: would it be a good idea to make plugins/remote_control use get_hid_usb_action() like the standard usb screen? Of course there probably needs to be some exit-combo then, but that would make remote_control a lot more useful instead of what's basically a technology demo now
21:25:41CIA-85New commit by domonoky (r23370): Initial touchscreen support for mini2440. Based on D2 touchscreen driver
21:26:33gevaertsTomers: what I actually would like in the long term is to auto-load remote_control on USB plugin :)
21:27:42JdGordon|that should be doable
21:28:00domonokyhuh, why was config-cowond2.h included in this commit, without any visible changes ?
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21:30:04gevaertsWe'd of course keep a basic USB screen in the core, but it would remove all bloat objections from the user-visible USB screen and HID handling
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21:30:42gevaertsbasic HID would remain in core as well, because (a) we use it as the charging-only interface, and (b) we don't have real USB-in-plugins yet
21:31:44JdGordon|there is no bloat... use a skin to draw the screen :)
21:32:43bertrikmarkun, gevaerts, do you know if the display in the meizu m6sl has its own framebuffer?
21:33:19gevaertsI don't know...
21:33:20bertrikor what kind of bus is used to connect the display to the main SoC?
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21:37:36markunbertrik: I didn't think it had its own framebuffer. Does the one in the M6SP have one?
21:39:10bertrikno, it get its RGB data directly from the SoC, the SoC contains the frame buffer
21:40:39bertrikI thought the M6SL uses the S6D0154, the datasheet of that says it has GRAM, so I'm a bit confused about this
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21:54:50shotofaddsdomonoky: weird, apparently your commit added 12.1KB of spaces in the middle of config-cowond2.h. wonder what went wrong there!
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21:59:32CIA-85New commit by Domonoky (r23371): remove accidentally commited spaces.
22:01:46linuxstbTheSeven: My battery bench lasted 17h 30m 58s on my Nano2G. But turning it back on, it's still working (but with a flashing battery icon)
22:02:01linuxstbsaratoga: pong
22:02:40TheSevenlinuxstb: only 17h? what did you do to your battery!?
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22:03:00TheSevencan you paste the log so i can calibrate the battery meter?
22:03:15linuxstbTheSeven: Nothing - maybe that's the problem. It's been sitting unused in a drawer almost since the day I bought it...
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22:05:46bluebrotherTomers: regarding the USB HID enable / disable setting: wouldn't it make more sense to merge that with the HID mode setting as a simple "disabled" mode?
22:06:54gevaertsbluebrother: they really mean different things. What if you cycle through them and leave it on disable the next time you connect?
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22:07:54pixelmaif been trying to recall if there isn't also a seperate menu setting (not only the modes you can cycle through in the USB screen)
22:08:03bluebrothergevaerts: is that really a problem? You need to reconnect anyway, do you?
22:08:46pixelmaI think it is a problem if you cycle through them while transferring data
22:09:02bluebrotherhmm, you can do that?
22:10:16bluebrotherah, ok. Wasn't aware of that.
22:10:44pixelmaunless you are on MacOS 10.4 ;)
22:11:04gevaertspixelma: you can still cycle through the modes :)
22:11:31pixelmabut not while transferring data
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22:13:01pixelmathe HID functions even work there somewhat
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22:15:25CIA-85New commit by bluebrother (r23372): Move mknkboot.[ch] to beastpatcher folder.
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22:18:18gevaertspixelma: it's not my fault it isn't transferring data then!
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22:33:01bluebrotherdoes foswiki support lists in tables?
22:42:18Tomersbluebrother: I've discussed this issue with gevaerts, and he suggested having a separate setting for this, as there will be MTP and other classes which will need enable settings
22:42:55Stephen_is anyone working on mtp ?
22:43:10gevaertsapparently, yes
22:43:15TomersStephen_: I think I read something about it. No sure though
22:43:32Tomersgevaerts: I'll answer you tomorrow (got to go now)
22:43:32Stephen_thatd be handy
22:43:34bluebrotherTomers: fair enough.
22:43:48bluebrothersomeone's working on mtp?
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22:45:05gevaertsyes. I haven't looked at it at all yet, but apparently it's pretty far along
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22:54:28JdGordon|does the sbs *require* a %Vi ?
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22:57:33kugelit works without, but not using on is rather useless
22:58:15JdGordon|no its not
22:58:48kugelit works fine without if a ui vp is set. if not there'll be redraw problems
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23:09:33bluebrotherdomonoky: I've started drawing a graph on the DeviceDetection wiki page ...
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23:57:25CIA-85New commit by rasher (r23373): Adapt to the new method of building w32 sims (adds a -w flag).

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