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#rockbox log for 2009-11-01

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00:03:35CIA-85New commit by BobC (r23451): Replace hard-coded value of memory size
00:15:35CIA-85New commit by mc2739 (r23452): FS #10744 - Fuze: Last line of screen's pixels doesn't change when switching themes and using plugins
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01:11:52pixelmahrrmm... why does pictureflow not work without own album art even though it provides a default "no art" picture?
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01:20:17Unhelpfulpixelma: i don't quite understand? it requires the database, but should work with AA disabled in core, and should display the no art picture for albums for which art is not found...
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01:26:03pixelmayes, but it fails when there is no own album art at all... I just put a few songs into my simdisk dir without an art picture, initialised database, rebooted - tried to enter pictureflow and it fails with a splash "No album art found" and "Could not create album art cache. Press any button to continue."
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01:26:46pixelmait works if I throw one bmp into the folder
01:27:58pixelmaI mean the simdisk where the music files are
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01:31:01saratogais there a command in rockbox to get the offset in a file of a file handle?
01:32:29amiconnpos = lseek(fd, 0, SEEK_CUR);
01:34:16Unhelpfulah! you mean that there's *no* album art. for any albums.
01:35:17pixelmayes, I still would expect it to not fail and just use the no art picture all the way, it is my fault if it doesn't look right
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01:38:04Unhelpfulpixelma: i think you're probably right... and it would even save code. ;)
01:39:07Unhelpfuloh, i meant to ask something, although you might not be the right person... though you do have an m3. it there a keymap context that includes remote+main buttons?
01:40:27Unhelpfulit would be really nice on devices with remotes to use something *like* CONTEXT_TREE, but which will trigger on any keys mapped in CONTEXT_TREE *or* in CONTEXT_TREE|CONTEXT_REMOTE...
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01:41:31pixelmaI don't have an M3, amiconn does
01:41:45pixelmaI have an M5 but without the remote
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01:43:40pixelmaand I am just trying to make sense of the keymapping in pictureflow to rework the manual button table a bit
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01:47:31Unhelpfulah! such a context would also make PF testable on M3 sim...
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01:52:31pixelmawell, it would be nice if the remote buttons were simulated too to test all the other things (mostly plugins) too. The remote hold switch already is simulated
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01:55:21Unhelpfulyes, simulating all remote buttons, too, would be good. but it seems like there should be, for any given context on a remote target, a "main+remote" version of the context... don't almost all core screens respond to either remote or device buttons?
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01:59:08pixelmait should if the amounts of available buttons on the remote is not too different from the main device. Hmm, I think your idea would be hard to do on the H100/H300 where you can use one of three different remotes (with different button layout, the worst one being the non-lcd remote with just a few buttons)
01:59:50pixelmaon the M3 the mappings are quite similar though
02:06:11TheSevenok, backlight is working now :-)
02:09:38saratogaTheSeven: on the 4g?
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02:17:32saratogaTheSeven: how similar are the Nano 4Gs?
02:17:47TheSevento the 2g? well, a little.
02:18:18TheSevenbut they're very similar to the ipod touch 2g, which makes me wonder if anyone wants to start to work on that one :-)
02:18:37saratogais the FTL similar?
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02:19:00saratogai might buy one while apple still has old 4Gs left in stock
02:19:31TheSevensaratoga: there are refurbs for 99$ (8GB) or 119$ (16GB)
02:19:41saratogayeah thats what i'm looking at
02:19:50TheSevenand the FTL is also very iphone-like, it's a newer version of the nano2g one
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02:24:28kugelmc2739: interesting, the off-by-1 was a off-by-2 ?
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02:27:32saratogaTheSeven: but you think the 4G port will be no more difficult then the 2G? i ask because I don't have much rockbox time lately but i do eventually want to look at codec optimization on the new nanos
02:28:39TheSevenno, the 4g will be harder than itouch
02:29:17TheSevenit looks like we can't even dump the bootrom, and there's code signing everywhere, even for low level bootloader stages
02:29:47TheSevenwe'll permanently need a bootrom exploit to boostrap our loader, and without a bootrom dump this is going to be very hard
02:30:40TheSevenright now I'm playing around through the same application level exploit we used to break the 2g nano, but this means booting the whole apple firmware which will run into a payload that may be a maximum of 3KB
02:31:07mc2739kugel: I guess so. I reverted 23359 to test FS #10744 and there were two rows of pixel remnants.
02:33:12mc2739kugel: It was most notable when switching between a light theme background and a dark background
02:33:59saratogaoh just realized the 4G is using a much faster arm core then earlier Nanos
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02:34:34kugelmc2739: i think the calculation in there is nevertheless not entirely correct
02:35:53saratogaalthough the linux4nano wiki says its arm940t which i think is wrong
02:36:01kugelI had a quick go at doing it right, but it resulted in garbage, mostly
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02:59:41TheSevensaratoga: it's some ARM11
03:00:44Unhelpfulpixelma: in some contexts, in some remotes, there might not be any sensible mappings equivalent to the main keys. but the basic idea doesn't require that every main-keys action have a remote-key equivalent - the idea is just to make whatever remote keys would manipulate a particular screen available at the same time as device keys, in a single context. probably it could be done, with chaining?
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03:23:46JdGordonwho knows where set_vol() is?
03:23:52JdGordonsetvol() even
03:26:07TheSevenJdGordon: grep will, probably
03:26:17JdGordongot it first guess :) misc.c
03:26:26saratogawhat a great filename
03:26:46TheSevenoh nice. there's a hidden LCD ID test in diagmode :-)
03:30:27*JdGordon has no freeking idea how the volume gets changed in the settinng menu... (which is probably a bad thing)
03:31:13JdGordonI cant see any callback that does it
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03:47:39CIA-85New commit by jdgordon (r23456): haloween night is when red monsters are vanquished right? or is that green monsters?
03:50:51JdGordonZagor: apparently my .au build client was complainig about a modified svn tree? I did asvn diff but nothing was changed, but apparently it was locked?
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06:32:00bburtinI'd like to get write access to the Rockbox Wiki to clear up some inconsistencies in the Linux instructions for Sansa e200R. Can someone help me out? My Wiki username is BorisBurtin. Thanks!
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08:10:14amiconnUnhelpful: In fact all standard screens should react both on main + remote buttons
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08:11:25amiconnImo it's not a problem if some actions aren't possible on both keypads due to lack of buttons. This is normal - on a target with a simple remote, only the most frequent actions need to be controllable from the remote
08:13:19amiconnexamples: Archos remote with just 6 buttons and no release, repeat, or simultaneous presses, hence max. 6 actions, or also the H300 simple remote (5 buttons + pure hardware hold)
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09:23:12Unhelpfulamiconn: what's the right way to use get_action* to achieve that? it looks to me like you can either use a context with or without |CONTEXT_REMOTE...
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10:04:27amiconnUnhelpful: You don't tackon |CONTEXT_REMOTE explicitly. get_action_worker does that if it receives a remote button press
10:04:35amiconnSee apps/action.c
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10:27:30Unhelpfulamiconn: ahhhh. that explains some things. so by using CONTEXT_TREE alone i *will* be getting any remote-button mappings, and i just need to add mappings for remote buttons, if appropriate, for any new actions that i add?
10:48:10pixelmaa 3 column button table with the first column blank looks a bit... silly :\
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11:27:03bluebroth3rAlexP: ok, I've retested beastpatcher and used a different machine than the one used for development. Something seems to be broken with the binary :(
11:27:18bluebroth3rat least I can reproduce the issue as reported in the forums
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11:48:00CIA-85New commit by bluebrother (r23458): Adjust mknkboot sources path to recently changed location.
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12:26:34bluebrotheranyone with beast and windows around? I'd like to verify something regarding beastpatcher.
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13:04:01MoMonsterIs there a way to adjust the volume using +/- buttons on a touchscreen wps? All I found was a volumebar which stes the volume depending on where you press it
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13:16:41bluebrothercasainho: you might want to change your nickserv password ...
13:16:44stripwaxcasainho hmm..
13:17:33casainhobluebrother: hello :-) −− why should I change the password?
13:17:47linuxstb See the bottom of
13:17:51bluebrothercasainho: because you just put it to the public?
13:18:47casainhobluebrother: ah. Oh, it was just a space before and system didn't accepted it
13:19:15casainhobluebrother: anyway, I will leave like that, no one will want to use my nick, there is no point
13:19:28casainhobluebrother: thanks.
13:19:33linuxstbcasainho: You shouldn't type nickserv commands in the #rockbox window - type them in the server window. (just in case of mistakes like that).
13:20:10bluebrotherbtw, most irc clients allow you to automatically authenticate.
13:21:47casainhobluebrother: ok, thanks.
13:22:24pixelmacasainho: maybe you wondered why you got disconnected right after the last time this happened to you... that's what someone can do if he has your password (and this was just a very simple demonstration, there are other people who would use it for something else)
13:22:54casainhopixelma: ok, I will chanhe now
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13:35:37peturhe lied :)
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13:36:07peturso, when are you going to change it?
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13:41:35MoMonsterIs there a way to adjust the volume using +/- buttons on a touchscreen wps? All I found was a volumebar which stes the volume depending on where you press it
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14:15:42bluebrothertomers: *please* talk about things first before filing bugs. Some things *are* intentional the wey they are. Doesn't mean that this can't be questioned, but it's really not helpful to add tasks for everything that seems wrong at first.
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14:17:19tomersbluebrother: Do you mean the langs not getting compiled?
14:17:58bluebrothertomers: yes. That was intentional −− what's the point in delaying a debug build with translations? They are also not added to the resources for debug builds
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14:19:23tomersIs that so bad to post an invalid bug?
14:20:09tomersYou can just close it as 'not a bug' with that explanation... but I'll ask first on IRC next time :-)
14:20:54bluebrotherdidn't I close it as "not a bug"?
14:21:39tomersyep... just noticed :-)
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14:22:32bluebrotherwell, having such things around is in general more work than simply explaining it. Plus (and that's the reason I really don't like having too much tasks) it helps loosing the overview of open and important tasks.
14:22:37tomerscan I do distclean, then compile normally, then qmake -config dbg and compile again, so that I can use the app with language files?
14:22:53tomersok. understood
14:23:52bluebrotherI don't think there's a distclean target, but you don't need that at all. make clean && qmake && make is sufficient. Or, if you want to be sure, just delete the output folder. In case of in-tree building it's simÃply the build/ folder. You need to run qmake after you deleted that folder though.
14:24:02kugelarg, stupid macro :/
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14:25:18tomersbluebrother: What do you asy regarding 'FS #10747 - Disable actions if rbutil is not configured properly'
14:28:04bluebrotherlet me check the diff. Haven't gotten around that yet, beastpatcher is acting up :(
14:28:57kugelhrm, why does the red hit so little targets?
14:29:10CIA-85New commit by BobC (r23460): Fix debug/multidrive build error
14:29:23kugelthe macro should expand for almost every target
14:31:13pixelmamany of those are new ports, maybe something that was forgotten there?
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14:41:29*bertrik realises that meizu M6 firmwares are the same for models M6SP and M6SL
14:43:17*teru found skin_display.c includes abrepeats.h and abrepeats.h includes settings.h if ab repeat is enabled.
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14:44:05kugelteru: ah, that explains things, thanks
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14:48:59bluebrothertomers: looks ok to me so far. There's only one (really minor) thing: the first hunk swaps two lines with is simply unnecessary.
14:49:54bluebrotherthough I'm not sure if disabling the actions menu is a good idea for screen readers. Haven't checked though.
14:50:02MoMonsterIs there a way to adjust the volume using +/- buttons on a touchscreen wps? All I found was a volumebar which stes the volume depending on where you press it
14:51:14bertrikI was afraid that a M6 rockbox port would have to support stuff like dual-codec and two display drivers, but M6SP and M6SL can probably each just use a single codec and a single LCD driver in rockbox firmware
14:52:12bertrikAMS sansa USB is something nice to work on, I think I am able to make that work (given sufficient time)
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14:52:41bertrikbughunter2 was already working on that, but AFAIK he has no prior USB experience
14:55:04tomersbluebrother: OK. I'll work on it later. I'll fix this minor issue, and test with a screen reader today (NVDA).
14:55:37funmanbertrik: I suppose having a Sansa AMS connected to computer with JTAG would help a lot into reverse engineering the USB initialization
14:56:13funmanthere were at least 2 successful JTAG connections made but all the players eventually broke
15:00:17bluebrothertomers: I guess that reading the menu entry itself won't be a problem. The question I have is if it will confuse blind users as the menu "won't work". I guess answering this would kinda require input from someone who actually uses a screenreader on a daily basis.
15:00:56bluebrotherbtw, nvda had less issues with reading the tabs than Jaws had. ItÄ's been a while since I tried that, though.
15:01:01kugelamiconn: ping
15:01:23tomersbluebrother: As far as I remember, the screen reader says it is disabled
15:02:37bluebrothertomers: in that case I guess it shouldn't be an issue.
15:02:54bertrikfunman, I think we just need a good debugging screen for USB, and a lot of patience :P
15:03:39funmandebugging screen = dump registers content in debug menu ?
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15:11:09*domonoky detects that his failing plugin load on mini2440 is the first call to sd_read with incount > 1, at least in the main-binary... lets check the multiple sector handling..
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15:12:15kugelevery other read only reads 1 sector?
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15:13:21domonokyyes.. i made sure with a call to panicf in sd_read if incount > 1
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15:17:59*funman just recorded his own voice on a Sansa Fuze
15:18:28domonokyhm, incount is 11, so also bigger then UNALIGNED_NUM_SECTORS. So maybe the problem also happens when it uses two transfers...
15:18:32kugelfunman: \o/
15:18:36domonokyfunman: nice !
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15:19:54funman < base64 encoded mp3 of the recording : "hello, how are you ?"
15:22:04Bob_C_domonoky: which issue are you looking at?
15:22:53kugeldomonoky: I guess you didn't see it coming that test_disk exposes bugs in that way :)
15:23:12domonokyBob_C: i enabled plugins, but the plugin buffer only contains FFFF...FFF after the read..
15:23:30domonokykugel: i still can load test_disk itself :-)
15:23:34domonokycan not
15:23:53Bob_C_The FF..s are caused by the 32/64MB mapping bug. The latest r23463 should fix this issue
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15:24:28domonokywill try that :-)
15:24:38kugeldomonoky: I mean failing to load test_disk is the new way of test_disk reporting plugins
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15:26:13kugelBob_C_: I still think crt0.S should just call the C version
15:26:39Bob_C_I tried that, but there is no stack setup so crt0.s can only call leaf functions
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15:27:14kugelah I see
15:28:13*kugel wonders how it works on other targets then
15:28:44funmanusually stack setup is done in crt0.S
15:28:48kugelwell, memory_init() is just a wrapper around other asm functions
15:29:01Bob_C_The s3c2440 crt0.s version is frankly pretty weird, it copies itself to phys RAM and remaps, then jumps to virt addr
15:29:27Bob_C_Basically a can of worms...
15:29:52kugelfunman: other targets do memory_init() before stack setup
15:30:11Bob_C_How does push lr work then??
15:30:19kugelBob_C_: maybe due to F/X being run from OF-environment
15:30:48funmanyou could use say 512 bytes of memory for a stack only used in early init
15:31:27Bob_C_sure, it's probably due to OF, but I wonder if it has to be so unconventional
15:32:47domonokyBob_C: you where right.. i can load test_disk.c now :-)
15:33:21Bob_C_I had the same problem loading codecs
15:34:24kugelBob_C_: I think it works because memory_init() is not called from the bootloader, and the bootloader sets up some stack
15:36:03kugelie. even though running in the main binary, it uses the bootloader stack
15:39:05Bob_C_so what stack does the bootloader use...
15:41:29kugelcrt0.S is used for both, bootloader and main binary
15:41:55kugelso it does the same, except that the addresses are setup and respectively
15:44:28Bob_C_but sets the C stack, which cannot be initialised until the MMU has been setup...
15:44:51kugelno, the MMU doesn't have to be set up
15:44:59Bob_C_Yes it does
15:45:10kugelyou can operate without it
15:45:41Bob_C_Not when NOR flash is mapped where you are expecting RAM to be
15:46:29kugelsurely you can only use physical addresses without mmu
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15:47:17Bob_C_Err.... exactly. is the virtual address map
15:48:38kugelnor flash is at 0x0?
15:48:54Bob_C_physical address yes
15:49:16kugelcan we remap if we wanted to access it from rockbox?
15:50:59Bob_C_Sure, if a VM section is mapped to address 0
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15:55:33*domonoky made a successfull test_disk.c run with SD_DEBUG undefined. 300MB successfully written and compared, so at least for me (and my sd-card) the driver works flawlessly without debug output. (But it still pretty slow).
15:56:14Bob_C_What happens if you remove the calls to mci_delay?
15:56:34domonokywill try..
15:57:12Bob_C_There is a call to sd_wait_for_state which has a #if 0... I think that should be reinstated
16:00:51Bob_C_The error I encountered is that a data transfer command fails with a "Data timeout" status bit set
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16:03:02AlexPbluebrother: That's a bugger
16:03:56AlexPI can find a windows meachine in ~2 hours if needs be
16:05:15funmando you use DMA for SD on mini2440 ?
16:05:33Bob_C_Yes we do
16:08:21domonokyBob_C if i remove the mci_delay at the end of send_cmd it doesnt work anymore. but it looks like the delay at the beginning is not needed (running a test_disk test again now)
16:09:23funmanthe Clip OF records mono at 24kHz on the microphone
16:10:42Bob_C_I wonder if the problem is that the previous DMA transfer is not complete before the next command is started
16:11:28funman24kHz for the radio as well
16:11:46funmanBob_C_: don't you block until the transfer finished ?
16:11:57Bob_C_does the test_disk plugin do a write/read/verify pattern?
16:12:22funmanthere are 2 entries: write/read/verify and performance
16:12:26domonokyBob_C: yes, with random sizes alignements etc, so should be a good test.
16:13:06Bob_C_The driver waits for an interrupt from the SD controller to indicate transfer has finished.
16:14:43funmanif the sd mutex is locked then there shouldn't be other requests in the meantime
16:14:53Bob_C_This driver was adapted from the SD as3525 driver, so I used that as a model
16:14:59domonokytest passed successfully, with only the mci_delay at the end of send_cmd()
16:16:42funmanBob_C_: be careful, i wrote a lot of this driver and let a lot of bugs in it ;) they might have all been fixed by FlynDice but you never know ..
16:17:52domonokythe as3525 also does some delay in send_cmd() if the command is the enable command. maybe thats what missing the s3c2440 sd driver ? (me starts some experiments)
16:17:59Bob_C_I did make an assumption there...
16:19:30domonokyalso my sd-card is a small non-sdhc card, so results for other cards may differ :-)
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16:22:06Bob_CI have tried a 2GB sd and a 4GB SDHC and I got similar results I think
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16:25:49domonokyinterestingly it doesnt matter if if remove the delay from the beginning or from the end of send_cmd(). As long as one is there, it works. So that clearly hints that we have to somehow wait for something to finish.
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16:28:15Bob_C_I compare all the SDI controller regs before and after the delay, and they appear identical, so I conclude the problem is somewhere else, e.g. DMA, the card itself, or "something else"
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16:37:08FlynDicedomonoky: re sd card slow, Do you enable 4bit widebus in the controller also?. I see the card gets the command but I can't tell if the controller does.
16:37:54domonokyFlynDice: no i first wanted to make sure it works fine, before trying to make it speedy :-)
16:38:31casainhoFlynDice: do you have the Mini2440 board also?
16:39:39Bob_C_I set the S3C2410_SDIDCON_WIDEBUS which means 4 bit I hope...
16:39:41FlynDicecasainho: No, I just saw that you guys used some of the as3525 code for the sd driver and that's what I've been working with for awhile...
16:40:58casainhoFlynDice: do you have the Mini2440 board also?f
16:41:12casainhoFlynDice: ok, nice to know ;-) −− Thanks
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16:42:19FlynDicere widebus: there's also an ACMD42 SET_CLEAR_CARD_DETECT command which disables a pullup resistor on DAT3 for widebus. The linux guys don't seem to think it's needed but i't in the sd spec and a lot of the SD card product manuals.
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16:55:03kugel"#ifndef __PCTOOL__" of course
16:57:11bluebrotherAlexP: it's quite interesting, beastpatcher seems to work fine if WMP11 installed but fails with WMP10. That's quite strange.
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17:01:15kugelwhat is the magic to generate sysfont.h?
17:02:17funmanmake $PWD/sysfont.h ?
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17:07:33domonokyat least with only one mci_delay at the end of send_cmd(), the transfer rate has gone a good bit up (now 144KB/s -> 1500KB/s depending on size. It was as low as 70KB/s earlier)
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17:11:22Bob_C_I imagine it would, mci_delay is quite a long delay
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17:12:28Paleskinautomatic install in rbutil doesn't work on sansa fuze
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17:14:11*bertrik wonders if it's possible to use a target-specific crt0.s file (not just SoC specific)
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17:15:20funmanbertrik: everything is possible
17:15:41funmanPaleskin: what's the problem ?
17:16:12kugelbertrik: s3c2440 does soc specific, and there's a generic arm one too. it pretty much just depends on SOURCES
17:16:13Bob_C_bertrik: if the build scripts are changed, yes
17:16:29Bob_C_the linker scripts are not in SOURCES
17:16:37Paleskineverytime I ran bootloader install, it saiy unrecognized firmware
17:16:53Paleskinbut it is the original firmware
17:17:32bertrikI suspect the meizu M6 SP and meizu M6 SL use different kinds of DRAM memory
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17:18:00TheSevengreat news!
17:18:09domonokyPaleskin: did you try with another version of the OF ? (rbutil might not know all versions, and only allows known, proven to work versions)
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17:18:20funmanPaleskin: use an older firmware, last version isn't supported yet by rbutil (in next release it will be)
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17:18:59bertrikDRAM needs to be initialised in crt0 before we call main, having a separate crt0 for each would be convenient
17:19:05PaleskinI prefer the last of firmware, I forgot how to manually make the bootloader
17:19:25funmanPaleskin: then wait next rbutil release
17:19:49domonokyBob_C: if i put the dump_regs thing around the last sleep in send_cmd() it outputs some differences, but i am still trying to understand what it wants to tell me :-)
17:20:19bertrikI was afraid of it not being defined in SOURCES :)
17:20:30Paleskinwell, u mean even manually patch the latest of is not possible ?
17:20:54funmanyou have to build mkamsboot from svn for that
17:21:17Paleskinyeah, I forgot the command line
17:21:48Bob_C_domonoky: can you do a pastie?
17:23:21domonokyBob_C: its always those two registers..
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17:24:25domonokyah, its the data remaining counter and the fifo status.. thats probably dma transfering data after a read/write command ?
17:25:54Paleskinmkamsboot is specific firmware dependant
17:26:51domonokyPaleskin: sure, it checks md5sums of the firmwares, because its dangerious if something in this goes wrong.
17:27:01Bob_C_My thought was that it needs to wait for DMA transfer to complete as well as SDI complete, because SDI may signal transaction has been completed before DMA has finished
17:27:42Paleskinthen I shall wait for the next util released yet
17:29:13funmanTheSeven: nice :)
17:29:30Bob_C_bertrik: just be careful there is a dependency between the lds file and crt0.s
17:29:36*funman would have expected portrait/landscape switch with accelerometers
17:30:06TheSevenno, ibugger doesn't do that. but rockbox should.
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17:35:53funmani've defined HW_SAMPR_CAPS and REC_SAMPR_CAPS to SAMPR_CAP_ALL, but recording->frequencies only lists 22.05kHz
17:37:48bertrikBob_C, yes I realise that, thanks
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17:39:09bertrikI think we can clean up this crt0.s file: there's a #ifdef IPOD_NANO2G inside another #ifdef IPOD_NANO2G for example, and we could probably use #defines for hardware register instead of using the addresses directly
17:43:45funmanI have updated the recording Sansa AMS on FS #10371, I'd appreciate if you can test it on c200v2/e200v2/m200v4 and just tell if it records something or if it locks up the player (recording quality is still not here though)
17:45:09TheSevenbertrik: and we could try to finally merge that protection unit code
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17:53:52pixelmafunman: I'm not sure about the AMS chip in the new Sansas but the AMS codec (it is then, I believe) in the v1 models also only allows for recordings with 22.05 kHz
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17:54:35pixelmaback then jhMikeS said it's a hardware limitation
17:54:45funmanpixelma: the recording frequency is completely tunable (OF use 24kHz for example), what I wonder is why I only see 22.05kHz even if I allow all frequencies in the config file
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17:59:58AlexPbluebrother: That is strange - do you think we can get round that, or will we have to require WMP11 for win users (which would be a pain)?
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18:01:20bluebrotherAlexP: well, I think we should get around that though I have no idea what's the problem. I just figured it when trying it on a different machine with WMP10 −− and the two installations with WMP11 I've tried work.
18:01:37AlexPYes, we should get round it if possible :)
18:01:52bluebrotherit could of course also be related to my installation. I hope some of the people with issues in the forums post details about their system setup
18:02:12AlexPbluebrother: In other news, are the edits we discussed last night correct? i.e. need to do the battery switch, plus no error messages?
18:04:41bluebrotherAlexP: not really I need to admit :o
18:04:48AlexPhehe :)
18:04:53AlexPSo what should it be?
18:05:37bluebrotheron linux you get that error message and an immediate reboot. On Windows you don't get that error message but also no reboot. The beast however reboots when disconnecting USB, i.e. you just need to disconnect USB and reconnect immediately.
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18:06:27bluebrotherhmm, and there is a WMP11 success post in the forums. But that post is dated in now + 2 mins?
18:06:29AlexPOK, I'll change that in a mo
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18:21:52tomersIs the following change is acceptable as a commit? It is just a cosmetic change...
18:24:01saratoga_mt: ping
18:24:03tomersI need your opinion regarding "FS #10740 - rbutil: Test Cowon D2 OF file for CRC consistency" before patching. Anyone interested in giving me feedback about it?
18:24:44saratoga_mt: i saw you asked in the logs
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18:25:20domonokytomers: testing for CRC consistency is always good, but i didnt look at the code till now :-)
18:25:21mtYes .. I might work more tonight on the fft stuff. Anything new that I should be aware of ?
18:25:51saratoga_mt: I only played with it for a little while, but could not get correct output, i'm not sure what i was doing wrong
18:26:13saratoga_been meaning to look at it more
18:26:28mtAre you free for a minute or so, to send me the inputs you were using so that I can test ?
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18:27:47saratoga_i think i have them on this machine, let me check
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18:29:14CIA-85New commit by alex (r23467): Correct beast manual install instructions in Windows.
18:29:28domonokytomers: for me this crc check code looks fine :-) But why do we have to wrap telechips_test_crc() ?
18:30:57MoMonsterHi! Is there a way to adjust the volume using +/- buttons in touchscreen-WPS? The only thing I found was the volume bar, which sounds like a dangerous idea to me
18:31:12domonokybluebrother: about this WMP11/10 problem. Afaik WMP comes with the MTP Drivers, so it may be a problem with specific MTP Driver versions ?
18:31:25bluebrothertomers: the first part in telechips.c simply renames a variable without any obvious reason. Why?
18:31:44bluebrotherdomonoky: could be. Haven't investigated the issue further as of now.
18:32:14bluebrotherat least it works on Vista. Just tried it a bit earlier, but Vista comes with WMP11.
18:32:38domonokyand surely another version of the MTP driver :-)
18:32:40mcuelenaereMoMonster: you mean physical +/- buttons or touchscreen areas/viewports?
18:33:03bluebrotherdomonoky: of course :)
18:33:36MoMonstermcuelenaere: I mean touchscreen areas
18:33:55saratoga_its basically the code you sent me with trivial changes
18:34:11bluebrothertomers: also, test_firmware_tcc() seems somewhat superfluous to me.
18:34:53bluebrotheror are you planning to add more checks in that function later?
18:35:23mcuelenaereMoMonster: lists all current WPS tags, in-/decreasing the volume doesn't seem to be listed among those; so someone will need to implement that
18:35:57domonokyMoMonster: looks like it isnt possible at moment, that would need a volume+ and volume- action for touchscreen areas.. But feel free to improve the code and provide a patch :-)
18:36:03mtsaratoga_: I can't spot changes in the input, are there any ?
18:36:22saratoga_mt: no i left that alone
18:36:29saratoga_it works for you?
18:37:24mtHaven't tested yet, was just looking at the code.
18:37:35saratoga_your original code worked though?
18:39:41mcuelenaereMoMonster: should work (untested)
18:41:13mtsaratoga_: Yes, my original code worked. the 3 outputs were almost exact.
18:41:30saratoga_maybe its something wrong with my computer then
18:41:49mtI sent you a plot of the error iirc ?
18:41:58saratoga_thats right you did
18:42:19saratoga_could you rerun your code and verify that you get good output, then send it to me?
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18:48:15MoMonsterThank you for your help. Too bad I don't know how to code and build patches and all that. I'm just trying to make a theme :/
18:49:22CIA-85New commit by tomers (r23468): rbutil: Fix Cowon D2 bootloaderfile had no slash prefix. ...
18:49:56mtsaratoga_: Figured where the problem is I guess :) .. There's a loop in main() that keeps performing fft repeatedly. I used that to measure the speed differences between ffmpeg's and a52's.
18:51:28tomersdomonoky: When including string.h, there was some namespace collision with the variable index. It had to be renamed.
18:51:30saratoga_mt: I disabled that loop so it ran faster and it didn't seem to help
18:51:45mtIt worked for me
18:52:00mtI'll just check the plot against the floating point one
18:52:26saratoga_can you pastebin the workign code? maybe i broke something
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18:52:37Link4uhi all!
18:52:44Link4ui am a n00b at this
18:53:05Link4uhow to install bootloader on cowon d2?
18:53:09tomersdomonoky, bluebrother: I did not want to include telechips.h and mess Makefile in bootloaderinstalltcc.cpp. But using test_firmware_tcc() in mktccboot.c is indeed a bit redundant. I chose to do so to make the code somehow more readable.
18:54:03tomersLink4u: Do it manually, or compile the rockbox utility yourself, and it should do it automatically for you (you'll have to download OF file first)
18:54:03Link4udoes anyone have a patched commercial firmware with bootloader for the d2?
18:55:13domonokytomers: ah, now i understand. So for me this would be fine to commit.
18:56:27mtsaratoga_: There's the code : - and the plot :
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18:57:30mtsaratoga_: The name "difference.jpeg" is misleading though, I forgot to change that :/ . It's just a normal plot of both.
18:57:32MoMonstermcuelenaere: What am I supposed to do with that code? Can you get it submitted somehow? I have no clue of patching and all that, sorry :/
18:57:47saratoga_mt: works great!
18:57:55mtYep ! :)
18:58:06tomersbluebrother: Are you OK with committing FS #10740?
19:00:33mcuelenaereMoMonster: it's a patch; you should apply it against SVN and compile it. I won't be committing this as I haven't tested it and I'm too busy atm
19:01:25mtThere are 2 approaches I'm thinking about right now. One : Add more sizes to a52's and test the speed differences between both with larger datasets. Or, Two : Assume that since a52 is faster on a 64-point fft then it should be faster on larger sizes, then I'd just convert the functions to macros and see how much speedup that would give. What do you think ?
19:01:31mtsaratoga_: ^
19:02:19saratoga_mt: converting a52 to use larger sizes is pretty easy, its only a couple lines of code
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19:02:44bluebrothertomers: is r23468 correct? d2n.bin becoming / ?
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19:03:24tomersYes. I tried it on a real player. I could have rename it to /d2n.bin instead, but the filename itself is not being used
19:03:40saratoga_but yes i think a52 will be faster then ffmpeg's and its more efficient with memory too
19:03:43tomersI wanted to emphasize it is not being used
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19:04:16saratoga_i'm actually tempted to just ignore ffmpeg's but i do like that its LGPL rather then GPL which would be nice for some codecs so they can stay LGPL
19:04:50bluebrotheras for FS #10740, please remove the renaming of the index variable. I don't see any reason for that. Apart from that the only thing I'm wondering if the inclusion of string.h is needed in telechips.c. And I have no idea if the test routine is actually ok as I know nothing about the D2, but that is up to you ;-)
19:05:28mtsaratoga_: We can steal the code from a52, can't we ? :)
19:05:38saratoga_yeah we can use it
19:05:48saratoga_though if we do we just have to use GPL, which is fine for rockbox anyway
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19:06:43mtNo, I meant, we could modify ffmpeg to be like a52 without actually using their code, and leaving it LGPL'd. Can we do that ?
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19:08:20tomersbluebrother: I've tested the test routine. It allowed valid file, and rejected invalid file.
19:08:22saratoga_mt: that would be fine too
19:08:41tomersbluebrother: If I won't rename index, there will be some error there
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19:08:48tomersor warning...
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19:09:05saratoga_before worrying about that it would be nice to see that the new fft is actually faster though :)
19:09:10tomersincluding string.h is for memcpy
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19:09:34mtsaratoga_: ahem .. good point. :)
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19:10:52bluebrothertomers: ah, right, overlooked memcpy being in string.h :o
19:11:21tomersbluebrother: So are you ok with renaming the index variable?
19:11:41bluebrotherbut I don't get why you would get a warning if not renaming that variable. If there is a problem that warning should show up right now.
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19:12:09tomersbluebrother: Without my patch, just include string.h and see this warning
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19:12:27tomersSomewhere in string.h there is a global variable called index
19:13:22*bluebrother checks
19:13:52Bagderindex() is a common function
19:13:57bluebrotherurgh. You're right, but it's not a variable. It's function
19:14:13bluebrotherok, so renaming it is the correct solution.
19:14:23tomersok, then I'm committing :-)
19:14:40*bluebrother likes it when finding reasons also creates more knowledge :)
19:14:49CIA-85New commit by mc2739 (r23469): OndaVX777 sim now builds so add it back to the list of sims.
19:15:25bluebrotheryeah, no further comments from my side. Might be a good idea to note in the commit message about the index rename, just in case someone looks at the diff and is wondering the same I did ;-)
19:15:30mtsaratoga_: Found the error plot too :
19:15:57mtgreen : a52, red : ffmpeg-fixed
19:16:31saratoga_looks good
19:16:38saratoga_i still don't see why your first code didn't work though
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19:18:25mtThe one you sent me ?
19:18:54funmanthe frequency setting manual entry was blacklisted for Sansa AMS, perhaps there is another arbitrary blacklisting in the code
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19:20:33mtsaratoga_: the code you sent me had that loop I mentioned, that's the only change I did
19:20:59mtAlthough there was a missing backslash that was breaking compilation
19:21:08saratoga_i think it was the backslash
19:21:15saratoga_it doesn't even generate a warning for me
19:21:26ukaszs2sorry for bothering but can someone help me with my e200v2? i have problem after i unbrick it, when i try turn it on or conect to pc it freeze on sandisk logo about 120sec and it is always like that
19:21:52mtIt gave me lots of errors - and never compiled .. it was missing from a macro.
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19:24:03mtsaratoga_: A 1024-point fft speed test be significant enough for us, right ?
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19:24:14mt*would be
19:24:25funmanGenerating dependencies
19:24:25funmanarm-elf-gcc: /media/bordel/rockbox/apps/plugins/boomshine.lua: linker input file unused because linking not done
19:24:34mcuelenaerefunman: I know
19:24:37saratoga_mt: I think 512 is the biggest comonly used one
19:24:39mcuelenaeredon't know a fix though :/
19:24:54saratoga_since a the fft size is mdct size /4
19:25:21mt I doubt there would be a different result at that size but I'll test anyway.
19:25:33mcuelenaerefunman: it doesn't do any harm though, just annoying
19:25:45funmanmcuelenaere: i think we can blame Zagor :p
19:26:02CIA-85New commit by tomers (r23470): FS #10740 - rbutil: Test Cowon D2 OF file for CRC consistency before patching
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19:37:35JdGordonkugel: oh well... what was your fix?
19:37:47funmanwget; base64 -d 679081.txt > first_correct_mic_recording_on_sansa_fuze.mp3
19:39:18mtsaratoga_: Same figures approx. a52's is ~30.5% faster at a 512-point fft (was ~28% at 64-point).
19:39:20kugelJdGordon: similar, but not in global status, but wps_state instead
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19:39:47JdGordonwps_state should be removed imo
19:40:03JdGordonthere is no reason we cant use global_status more for that
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19:40:19kugeldid you get the setting the volume in the sound settings to work? I assume that was the option_screen hunk?
19:40:22JdGordonditto wps_sync_data also
19:40:48JdGordonthat should make the quickscreen work also
19:41:05kugelok, I struggled there
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19:41:17saratoga_mt: WMA used to have a very simple mdct.c that called the ffmpeg fft (old version)
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19:41:29saratoga_its mdct.c might be a good place to start testing in rockbox
19:41:58kugelwps_data and global status are eventually the same/equivalent, but isn't global status saved to nvram.bin or do I confuse it?
19:42:00saratoga_i think it should be fairly straightforward to use with WMA (or one of your codecs if you prefer)
19:42:23saratoga_i need to run some errands, then I'll head into work and take a look at it
19:42:24JdGordonkugel: no.. only its items which are in settings_list.c
19:42:34saratoga_are you working on it now?
19:42:42kugelwps_sync_data is different. it's not shared between skins, just between the displays for a single skin (i.e. main screen and remote)
19:43:04mtsaratoga_: wma still uses that till now ?
19:43:27*JdGordon hopes that it can be got rid of totally anyway
19:43:31mtsaratoga_: I'll work on it now.
19:43:32JdGordonor.. comments :)
19:43:37saratoga_mt: no I removed it a year ago July, but you could check out a build from then
19:43:40kugelit has comments
19:43:44JdGordonwhy did you get rid of is_wps_fading()?
19:44:06JdGordon"/* Holds data for all screens in a skin. */" isnt very helpful
19:44:08saratoga_its what i tried to do the first time i looked at the new fft last spring
19:44:23kugelthe members have enough comments?
19:44:41saratoga_since mdct.c handles all the rotation code that turns an fft into an mdct, so its mostly just a matter of trying different fft functions and seeing which is fastest
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19:45:07saratoga_although wma is a bit annoying since its the only codec that uses more then 2 MDCT sizes in the same file
19:45:14kugelanyway, is_wps_fading() is still there for IAP. it was a ugly function that was called by the skin engine
19:46:04mtsaratoga_: but if - supposedly - wma ran faster using the new fft, it would be indicative, is that what you're thinking of ?
19:46:20saratoga_mt: yeah
19:46:28kugelthe functionality is still the same, but it's part of the skin engine now since skin_tokens.c needs it, not the wps.
19:46:53saratoga_plus I tesetd the current mdct in wma to see how many MHz it used with and without ASM code
19:47:21saratoga_so if the new fft uses fewer MHz then the c version of the current mdct, it'll probbaly be faster with ASM too
19:48:04mtsaratoga_: ok, I'll take a look at it now. Have to check out an older revision first though. Or would the one you sent me before work ?
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19:52:26funmanmc2739: can you test on e200v2 ?
19:55:27saratoga_funman: no line in on the AMS targets right?
19:56:50funmanNo idea
19:56:58funmanat least it's not used by the OF
19:57:12funmanwe could try with the other input (line2 is FM)
19:59:11saratoga_still pretty hard to tell if the input is connected to anything or just floating though, at least without trying all dock pins
20:02:47funmannot sure why the Clip FM doesn't tune
20:03:56funmanI added a safety exit to the loop in si4700_set_frequency() to avoid infinite loop
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20:05:35pixelmamc2739: I posted a new patch for the pictureflow button table, maybe you can take a look and help with the remaining "issues" in the rest of the chapter
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20:11:33funmanentering recording still crashes on Clip with a patch of FS #10605 applied
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20:21:36JdGordondoes anyone have any ideas how to handle sharing skin files between targets with the same size screen but on has rtc/fm/rec/etc and one doesnt?
20:21:56JdGordonrtc sort of works, unless you want to use the "time format" setting (which I do)
20:22:36JdGordonI was thinking make the %St parser less strict and not fail if the setting doesnt exist, but then give it another param for the default value so it will still work
20:23:01JdGordonlike %St|time format|0|<a|b>
20:23:35pixelmawhy not put the %St inside the %?cc there?
20:23:59JdGordonthe parser fails because time format isnt a setting on non-rtc builds
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20:24:15*JdGordon is trying to avoid making 50 different sbs files
20:25:28funmandomonoky1: bertrik: we need your m200v4 and c200v2 for FS #10371 ;)
20:25:31pixelmaso the parser would look at the true branch of the %?cc too even if it wouldn't be needed for this target?
20:26:04JdGordonthe parser isnt that smart
20:26:56JdGordonthe rec bar is my bigger problem though.. its entirely settings based, which will fail miserably :(
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20:30:53seaniFoplks, I have a buildFolks, I have a build that includes a "pause-on-timeout" when the sleep-timeout period matures. Is the standard process that I submit the patch and wait for it to be flayed into something that's considered acceptable, or are there other steps before I should do that?
20:31:18seaniOops, sorry, Chrome hides part of the text in the webclient
20:31:35JdGordonif you want it commited... make it acceptable first
20:31:38kugelthe parser should probably fixed
20:31:52JdGordonthats not a parser problem
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20:32:00domonoky1seani: if you want this in svn, putting a patch into flyspray and nagging us here for review, is the recommended method.
20:32:05kugelit could handle those feature tags better
20:32:07JdGordonthere is a very *VERY* small set of tags which are always constant and known at build time
20:32:22AlexPseani: But you should have it in a good condition first
20:32:24JdGordonbut yes, we could look into it
20:32:31AlexPseani: i.e. see docs/CONTRIBUTING
20:32:58kugelwe could also just add time format to the non-rtc targets, it's ignored anyway
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20:33:20JdGordonat 300bytes each setting or whatever it is!?
20:33:47seaniThanls all. It looks good to me and tests Ok, but I don't know if my assumptions are good. I'll test and read a bit further and check the CONTRIBUTING docs. Cheers.
20:33:51JdGordonwe could add a list of known settings which might not be in the build, but I dont like that idea
20:34:03JdGordonits not just that though... all the settings needed for the rec bar
20:34:03pixelmaJdGordon: there is a tag for "which screen I'm in", if the parser just wouldn't look at branches of that tag that can't be true for this target (that's how I understood kugel's suggestion)
20:34:06kugelthe global_settings entry is hardly 300 bytes, the menus take most space but those wouldn't be compiled still
20:34:35JdGordonthe setting_list entry is a considerable amount
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20:34:48JdGordonpixelma: yeah, I'm not usre thats actually possible
20:36:44kugelparse_cc { #ifdef HAVE_RTC <look at yes branch> #else <look at false branch> } sounds possible to me
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20:37:06JdGordonits possible... but messy
20:37:29JdGordonit needs to backtrace and remove the conditional, then manually parse untill the end of the branch it wants
20:37:39JdGordonthen skip over to the end of the conditional
20:38:04JdGordonit might be doable as a post parse step, once everything is in the tokens already
20:38:11JdGordonbut thats too late for this to work anyway
20:38:20kugelit's not easy. I think the 100-150 bytes for the settings entry look more promising IMO
20:38:35kugelthe code to handle the feature tags better is probably worth more than that
20:38:56pixelmathat won't help with the rec and fm screen though which seems to be the bigger problem
20:39:26CIA-85New commit by blue_dude (r23471): Code cleanup in codec_thread, playback and pcmbuf; more elegant solution to leftover samples
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20:40:35JdGordonskipping the branch at parse time does indeed sound like the best option.. even if it is going to be a PITA to code
20:40:58Blue_Dude14 minute build times? Ouch.
20:41:14AlexPJdGordon: We have confidence in your ninja skills :)
20:41:16pixelmaby the way, there is this fm "mute" status on some targets which couldn't be displayed in a custom sbs currently, or am I missing something? And I don't know if USB "power" can be displayed (as the classic statusbar can)
20:41:41JdGordonAlexP: yeah, but coding skills? :p
20:41:55AlexPJdGordon: Hmmm, more difficult :)
20:42:07JdGordonpixelma: hmm.. fm mute might be tricky.. maybe not... usb i tihnk can be shown?
20:42:30n1sJdGordon: you did get that settings macro-voodoo to work didn't you? :)
20:42:55*JdGordon becomes embarrased with humbleness....
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20:43:57pixelmalast I checked it didn't work on my Ondio - maybe it's different to other targets though
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20:45:29JdGordonpixelma: ah yes.. there is charger connected, and charger charging, but no usb connected... easy enough to add
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20:46:26pixelmasounds good, maybe that would have been something like the hold for software hold as well that I could figure out myself too
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20:47:05JdGordonyou mean adding it? yeah, should be dead simple
20:47:51JdGordonping gevaerts to find out how to see if its connected or not :)
20:47:56kugela sort of preprocessor might be easier.
20:48:25JdGordonoh no... not more naughty macros!
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20:48:44kugel%if HAVE_FM [...] %end, for example. it would save the whole investigation of the branch which still needs to be done to find when it ends
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20:49:15JdGordonno offence... but YUCK!
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20:50:03JdGordonassuming the skin is coded correctlty... finding the right branch shouldnt be all that hard actually...
20:51:10JdGordongo back 2 tags, remove the start conditional and the token for %cc, then increase a count every time you see < and decrease as you see > untill you hit a | when the count is 0... that gets the second branch... easier for the first branch
20:51:34JdGordonactually, increase when you see a %?
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20:52:07JdGordonit will make debugging skins hard though :)
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20:52:58JdGordondebugging is a bad after thought anyway!
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21:01:42JdGordonumm... hmm... yeah this might not be easy after all :p
21:02:16JdGordonnot without a fair bit of reworking the parser
21:05:31JdGordonyep, I tihnk the far simpler option (even if it is only a temp solution) is fix %St to allow a small set of settings
21:05:39JdGordonwhich I tihnk is a terrible solution ?:p
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21:10:21JdGordonno! yuck yuck yuck
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21:34:33grant___iv got a problem with the nano 2g version of rockbox and TheSeven couldnt answer it so he said i should ask here
21:35:06grant___whenever i try to select anything from the file menu, a bent arrow appears in the corner and i cant select the item
21:35:43grant___does anybody has an idea why the virtual storage led could be causing this trouble
21:35:50bluebrotherbent arrow?
21:36:14grant___yah, its kinda weird
21:36:32domonokyits probably the "disk busy" icon..
21:36:40bluebrotherin which corner? Upper right? With the status bar enabled?
21:36:51grant___yah, upper right
21:36:59grant___in the status bar
21:37:15UnhelpfulJdGordon: you want to have that sort of flexibility for third-party theme files, as well as shipped ones?
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21:38:31ilikenwfany of you have a bash script for copying music in linux and replacing unicode so that it all actually gets copied over?
21:39:04bluebrotherdoes it look like in this screenshot?
21:39:20grant___yah exactly
21:39:41Unhelpfulilikenwf: there are tons. really it makes sense to sanitize filenames in the *first* place, though, because then you can just use rsync. ;)
21:39:44bluebrotherah, then it's the icon for access of the flash memory.
21:40:02bluebrotherbut that's just an indicator.
21:40:21TheSevenadditional info: he says that this doesn't happen in a revision that was before implementing that indicator in the nn2g nand driver
21:40:34TheSeven(but no other changes to nand/ftl)
21:40:41bluebrotherah. strange.
21:41:52pixelmagrant___: do you want to use voice and installed a voice file?
21:42:08grant___no, theres no voice
21:42:43saratogawhats with the really long build times lately
21:43:17grant___if anybody has any more questions, email me at ; ive got to go
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21:44:09bluebrotherlooks like there are extremly much abandoned builds. I guess those are related to disconnects, probably some network issues?
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21:44:52pixelmaweren't there reports about failed uploads (also of the build logs)?
21:45:20bluebrotheriirc yes.
21:46:29liarTheSeven: i have the same bug and if i disable nand_thread in cat coding/rockbox/firmware/target/arm/s5l8700/ata-nand-s5l8700.c it works again...
21:46:34saratogait says my 4xOpteron system took 2 minutes to build the ipod mini sim which can't be right
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21:47:29bluebrothersaratoga: have you checked the detailed build round table at rasher's page?
21:47:41saratogano do you have the link?
21:48:01bluebrotherthe "debug" view is quite interesting :)
21:49:07saratogawhat is a queued build?
21:49:08JdGordonUnhelpful: yes
21:49:33rashersaratoga: it's the build scheduled for you by the build master
21:50:17UnhelpfulJdGordon: that's rough. obviously for in-tree themes we can use the CPP. we could even simulate that for uploaded themes on the theme site, though it would be a bit nasty. but parsing that out on target seems just icky...
21:50:59kugelcpp as a plugin, why not? :P
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21:51:14JdGordonyeah.. I tihnk I'm just going to have to fiddle with the makethemes script and do seperate sbs' for rec and non rec targets
21:51:19kugelfeatures.txt might be handy for that
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21:51:58Unhelpfulas a plugin, maybe, but the idea of doing it in the theme parser is a bit less pleasant... for the most part i'd rather have target-specific themes than more code in core.
21:51:58kugelor, rockbox-info.txt
21:52:00JdGordonneed one each for rec+rtc, rec+no-rtc, no-rec+rtc, and neither
21:52:43Unhelpfulwould "ignore unknown WPS tags" not suffice?
21:53:05JdGordonthats already there
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21:53:22JdGordonthe problem (once again :) ) is the %St setting value tag which fails if the setting doesnt exist
21:53:32kugel%St is a different problem. it's a known tag, but not necessarily the parameter
21:53:40JdGordonthats the problem with rtc.. and ditto the rec bar
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21:54:08JdGordonif the recording ones are doing in functions and new tags then it wont be a problem
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21:54:59JdGordonor alternativly.. in the rec screen we continue using the inbuilt hard coded non skinned bar
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21:56:22Unhelpfulperhaps have %St as a conditional that's true if the setting exists? or is that no good, since you want to use the setting value as a conditional, too?
21:59:03JdGordonif that token is put inside another one (i.e "time format" is inside %cc (rtc present)) then its no problem if the setting doesnt exist
21:59:13kugelUnhelpful: that won't help. the parser would not does not care about what branches are possible. it parses all brances
22:00:27Unhelpfulkugel: if we have a %cc that acts as a feature switch and blocks parsing the branch, surely a similar thing could be done for settings?
22:00:30JdGordonI dont especially like the idea of letting %St pass the parser if the setting isnt there though (which is how it used to be)
22:00:48JdGordonUnhelpful: it doesnt do that.. it simply always returns 0 or 1
22:00:56JdGordonthe full parse still happens
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22:01:30UnhelpfulJdGordon: ah. what exactly happens when the parser hits a setting tag for a setting that doesn't exist?
22:01:37JdGordonit craps out
22:01:52JdGordonwhich is by design
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22:02:25Unhelpfuloh. i was going to say it could just be made to display the unrecognized setting tag an an empty string...
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22:02:49Unhelpfulwe want it to die why, so that checkwps will show an error?
22:03:13JdGordonit used to ignore it, but we decided that was bad
22:03:46pixelmathe %St tag can also be used conditionally (but only for the values I think, not for the setting itself)
22:04:07JdGordonit would have to be 2 seperate tags
22:04:08Unhelpfulperhaps it could be special-cased to warn in checkwps, but would just be ignored as before on targets?
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22:04:18pixelmaeven the former doesn't work correctly
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22:08:43ukaszs2hello, i have porblem with recovery mode in my e200v2, i bridge this two points but nothing happend when connect to pc
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22:15:15JdGordoni tihnk the least annoying way to fix this is: 1) create a new %c<something> tag to use the user setting for 12/14 hour, 2) for the rec settings.. split them off into functions instead of direclty useing the settings, both wont affect non-blaa builds so shouldnt have any bad effect
22:15:29JdGordonI dont think the radio actually has any problems like this (just yet anyway)
22:15:45gevaertsPeople use 14 hour clocks?
22:17:10kugelwhy not do it correctly now ?
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22:26:33JdGordonkugel: do what correctly now?
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22:35:37CIA-8New commit by jdgordon (r23472): new skin token: %cx - 24 hour time format enabled in the setting.. e.g %?cx<24 hour|12 hour>
22:36:10JdGordonnot pretty, but cheap :p
22:36:41JdGordonah crud.. I meant to give the reson in that message also... oh well
22:37:17kugelJdGordon: I think I have something working that skips the true case
22:37:59JdGordonskipping true isnt too difficult i tihnk... skip false though!
22:38:17kugelI don't think skipping the false branch is needed
22:38:26kugelis it?
22:38:39JdGordonsure it is
22:38:40kugelthe false branch should parse on any target
22:39:34JdGordonhmm... yeah probably not actually :p
22:40:21JdGordonfind_false_branch() is wrong
22:40:31JdGordon%< and %> will break it
22:40:46kugelheh, surely it's not perfect yet
22:40:47JdGordonlevel++ should happen on %?
22:41:02kugelno why?
22:41:18JdGordonits in theory safer than <
22:41:28JdGordonit doesnt really matter
22:41:30kugelit's about nested conditionals
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22:41:37JdGordon%? means a new conditional is starting
22:41:37kugel% doesn't indicate a conditional
22:41:56kugellol I thought it was a question
22:42:10JdGordonone sec
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22:42:47JdGordonyeah ? doesnt need to be escaped does it?
22:43:02JdGordonI'll revert that checkin then if you are almost working
22:43:54kugelwell, the main function hacks. it increments level if it finds '<', but it then checks if 2 tokens ago was a '?', some of that sort
22:44:22JdGordonyeah, I noticced that
22:44:30JdGordonnot a gid deal
22:44:57kugelanyway, I think this is the way to go
22:45:03CIA-8New commit by jdgordon (r23473): revert that last checkin... something better is coming
22:45:19JdGordonexcept.. crap... you are left with a trailing >
22:45:39kugelthat's actually needed
22:45:47JdGordonyou keep the conditional so it knows there should be a > ?
22:45:50kugelto close the '<' that the main function detected
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22:46:50JdGordonI'm not sure that last hink is in the correct spot
22:47:10kugelthe idea is to increment the buf pointer not at all if the feature is available, or to directly after the appropriate | if it isn't
22:47:10JdGordonbut heck.. if it works :)
22:47:51JdGordonwont that end up making it parse so it comes to %?tag<flase block>
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22:48:13kugelbefore that is done the main function finds a '<' that needs to be closed after the checking
22:48:33kugelJdGordon: yea, that's the idea
22:48:56JdGordonand the displayer uses the first option as the false option?
22:49:26JdGordon%?tag<false|true> ?
22:49:30kugelit's %?<true|false>
22:49:49JdGordonso how will %?<false block> work?
22:49:54kugelalways, the special case is %?<true> which I didn't handle yet
22:50:04kugelthat doesn't exist, does it?
22:50:22JdGordonthat is what is going to exist after your change goes through the parser
22:50:55JdGordon%cc returns false on non rtc
22:51:05JdGordonyour change gets rid of the true block which is correct
22:51:18JdGordonbut then the displayer sees false on %cc and nothing to display which is wrong
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22:51:44kugelgood point, gonna check that
22:51:55kugelbut it will parse at least :D
22:52:01JdGordonwell yes :)
22:52:17JdGordonthe easy answer it to invert the return in skin_token.c
22:52:31JdGordonso %cc actually returns true always
22:53:11JdGordonscrew that... add a new token which always returns true, then change the conditional to WPS_TOKEN_TRUE
22:53:20kugelthat breaks plain %cc of course, but I think that's accaptable for plain feature tags
22:53:29JdGordonno it doesnt
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22:53:42JdGordonyeah, rtc build with detectable rtc
22:54:09JdGordonigore that suggestion then... but make it always return true or rtc_Detected()
22:54:42Unhelpfulperhaps it would just be wise to extend all of this to a generic static conditional tag that parses only one of its branches?
22:54:55*JdGordon was about to suggest something like that
22:55:14JdGordononly the true branch is possible (without major rework) to parse
22:55:18JdGordonto skip i mean
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22:55:33Unhelpfulah. that's troublesome :/
22:56:16*JdGordon likes where this is going :)
22:56:24Unhelpfulhow big a rework?
22:57:06JdGordonnot sure... but more than "insignificant"
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22:57:22JdGordonwithout doing it in a hack way anyway
22:57:40kugelreturning always true or detect_hw() works
22:58:41kugelmaybe return ' return radio_hardware_present() ? "yes":NULL ' or ' "no' "
22:59:57JdGordonthats good
23:00:36JdGordonnow as long as noone cares about technical consistancy we are ok
23:00:36kugelI don't think anyone is going to use %cc unconditionally though
23:01:00JdGordonI would hope not
23:02:56JdGordoncan you add a note in that feature check function (or on it) saying the get_token() value has to return "true".. and that it only works on true/false options
23:03:03kugelheh, interesting problem. it shows "no" on targets without RTC at all, but nothing on my e200 since we really get NULL then
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23:03:45JdGordonthats correct though
23:03:46kugelI would not mind disallowing the unconditional use of feature tags altogether
23:04:00JdGordonna, not worth it
23:04:03JdGordonno need to
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23:09:00pixelmahmm... what about targets where fm is detected at runtime? (didn't follow all of the discussion though)
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23:10:43JdGordonthat was the "interesting problem" :)
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23:14:35rhcp1253is the bug fixed on the nano 2g where you couldn't enable database with panicing on startup
23:15:36krazykitwhy don't you try and find out?
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23:15:55JdGordonkugel: I'm off... just remember to make sure you only change the level on %< %> and check for %|.... otherwise looking forward to it :)
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23:16:21kugelJdGordon: ok
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23:16:49kugelalthough wps parse checks for the %? already, or do you mean for nested branches?
23:17:39JdGordonno. i mean when literal < and > and | should be displayed
23:17:39kugelthat's not easy to do
23:17:54kugelah I see what you mean
23:18:22JdGordonthats a *requirement* :)
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23:22:44kugelJdGordon: here's the hopefully final patch: I wait or put it on flyspray if you want to look at it later
23:23:00JdGordonill look quickly
23:23:33JdGordon*(buf-1) just looks wrong to me...
23:23:41JdGordoneven if its safe, it seems bad
23:24:03JdGordonhow about (if *buf == '%') { if its any of those tags buf+=2}
23:25:05JdGordonand the NOTE comment is wrong... on builds where the feature is conditional it will be true/false... on builds without the feautre at all, or always it will be true
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23:25:54kugelI just corrected the comment
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23:26:01JdGordonotherwise looks good
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23:48:05funmanshould the pitch detector show something even if I'm not making a real musical note but speaking/making noise?
23:48:47CIA-8New commit by funman (r23474): new skin token: %cx - 24 hour time format enabled in the setting.. e.g %?cx<24 hour|12 hour>
23:48:52funmanhum ..
23:49:06funmanthis commit wasn't mine ...
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23:51:28CIA-8New commit by funman (r23475): Revert r23474 "new skin token: %cx - 24 hour time format enabled in the setting.. e.g %?cx<24 hour|12 hour>" ...
23:51:33CIA-8New commit by funman (r23476): Sansa AMS recording support (Microphone and FM) ...
23:55:20CIA-8New commit by funman (r23477): Add Fred Bauer to THANKS
23:55:35kugelfunman: \o/
23:55:47funmankugel: still disabled though :/
23:56:02kugelthat's why I'm wondering why the manual sections are enabled
23:56:12funmanare they ?
23:57:19kugelat least the recording related bits
23:57:58funmanWhat I did is add recording keymap for Fuze, and change a section of the recording options
23:58:11CIA-8New commit by BobC (r23478): Improvements to mini2440/UDA1341 audio
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