#rockbox 2009-11-04

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#rockbox log for 2009-11-04

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00:10:13	kugel	Bob_C: I see a "/* Does this get optimised out ? */" comment in sd-s3c2440.c
00:11:35	kugel	I'm not sure how it works for dedicated functions, but those loops within code are potentially optimized away. attaching a "asm volatile("nop\n");" is the safer way. you can always check the generated assembly of course
00:13:53	Torne	kugel: you shouldn't ened the actual nop
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00:13:59	kugel	assuming you added that question, and the code you code you copied from :p
00:14:00	Torne	just an empty asm volatile block should do
00:17:40	kugel	interesting, the mini2440 keeps loading rockbox when you remove the sd card during transfer
00:17:54	kugel	i.e. during loading the rockbox binary
00:19:50	Bob_C_	kugel: at the level of optimisation we use, I don't think empty loops are removed. I'm surprised more aggressive optimisation is not used
00:21:24	Torne	Bob_C_: Lots of -O2 level optimisations increase code size, it's an awkward tradeoff on small devices
00:21:29	Torne	especially ones with no cache
00:22:29	kugel	the mini2440 doesn't even build with eabi
00:22:31	kugel	assembler error
00:22:32	Bob_C_	-Os seems to lots of opt on AVRs anyway
00:22:44	Torne	Bob_C_: Yes, many space optimisations are also time optimisations
00:23:08	Torne	it's also possible taht not everything actually works with -O2, of course :)
00:23:15	Bob_C_	yeah, so why not -Os?
00:23:20	Torne	gcc can be a hilarious minefield sometime
00:23:41	Torne	Bob_C_: -Os is used on some platforms, -O on others
00:24:04	Torne	It's whatever seemed to be the est tradeoff between speed and size (and actually worked) last time soemone was motivated to test it, i expect
00:24:12	Torne	:)
00:26:04	Torne	if you'd like to paintakinly test various combinations of gcc flags across multiple targets, i doubt anyone would stop you :)
00:26:50	Bob_C_	Ha, who wants to cross the minefield first?
00:27:26	Torne	atm there are some people working on getting rockbox to work with an EABI ARM toolchain (the new standard ARM binary spec)
00:27:32	Torne	which is related, I guess.
00:28:26	Torne	eabi has some nice tricks for handling long calls and the like which could help us, but not all targets work commpiled that way atm :)
00:28:33	kugel	some == me and Unhelpful
00:28:59	kugel	"/home/kugel/rbdev/rockbox-git/firmware/target/arm/s3c2440/crt0.S:558: Error: symbol vectors is in a different section" :'(
00:29:16	Torne	Heh
00:29:51	Torne	hooray for mysterious compile and link problems
00:30:25	kugel	wtf is "adr lr, vectors"
00:30:39	kugel	that's the problematic line
00:30:47	Torne	adr is an assembler pseudoop
00:31:06	Torne	it turns into an add lr, pc, #offset
00:31:12	Torne	pc-relative addressing
00:31:43	Torne	so it will indeed not work if the symbol referred to is in a different section, since it can't do pc-relative addresses for symbols it doesn't know where they are going.
00:31:55	Torne	ldr lr, =vectors would work
00:31:57	*	kugel wonders how it works in the current setup then
00:32:03	Torne	but is slower.
00:32:17	Torne	No idea :)
00:32:36	Torne	maybe it makes hilarious assumptions
00:32:49	kugel	that's 1 instruction in crt0.S, speed hardly matters
00:33:06	Bob_C_	I noticed that the s3c crt0 seems to rely on position independent code
00:33:27	Torne	well yes, entry point code often is PIC
00:33:37	Torne	inc ase you are running XIP from flash and are going to relocate to ram or similar
00:33:48	Torne	pic is not very difficult on ARM so it's not much of a hardship
00:33:59	Torne	if vectors is a fixed address then just ldr it from a pool
00:34:09	Torne	the compiler will generate a reloc, linker will fix it, done
00:34:30	Torne	if it's supposed to be pic then you'll have to do something else..
00:34:42	Bob_C_	I don't just mean it happens to use it, it relies on it
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00:35:52	Torne	yah, but i've not looked at the code in question so i'm not sure what vectors is :)
00:36:46	Bob_C_	although in case vectors is surely always 0, and it set lr to the reset vector in case main() ever returns
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00:37:39	Torne	well if it's really a reference to the ARM low reset vector then just hardcode #0
00:38:00	Bob_C_	everything done after call to enable_mmu is done with VA, so the linker addresses are valid
00:38:18	Torne	The reset vector is always 0 or ffff0000 so hey
00:38:18	*	kugel just saw rockbox rebooting on the mini2440 eabi build
00:38:27	Torne	just hardcode it :)
00:38:40	kugel	during main(), is it possible that it indeed hit that case and branched to the vectors?
00:39:12	kugel	the e200 would just freeze at that point
00:39:46	Torne	i would hope that if you are turning the MMU on that you are moving to high vectors, though
00:39:57	Torne	and leaving the page at 0 unmapped, to catch null pointer derefs. No? :)
00:40:19	Bob_C_	Torne: That's the other way of doing ;)
00:40:31	Bob_C_	.. it, but we dont't
00:40:38	Torne	Well, you should :)
00:40:47	Torne	leaving 0 unmapped is a really, really handy debugging tool...
00:40:54	Torne	catches loads of issues
00:41:18	Bob_C_	Its a lot more fun to overwrite the vectors though ;)
00:41:49	Torne	eew
00:42:03	Bob_C_	we seem to allocate VA in 1MB sections ?
00:42:03	Torne	at least map it readonly if you aren't gonna blank it :)
00:42:22	Torne	yeah, saves having pagetables
00:42:51	Torne	just leave 0-1mb unmapped unless you have a really good reaso to need that range
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00:42:58	Bob_C_	It's funny, I worked on the kernel team for this SoC while at Samsung, ah such memories
00:43:07	kugel	Bob_C_: after undeffing SD_DEBUG the reboot turned into a "no partition found. insert USB cable and fix it"
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00:43:14	Torne	oh, but then mapping the high vectors is a pain.
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00:43:15	Torne	hm
00:43:34	Torne	well, if there is some reasonble way, do it :0
00:43:39	Bob_C_	I wrote the MMU code on that project
00:44:34	kugel	Unhelpful: the mini2440 survives setttings_reset
00:44:49	Bob_C_	There was a great bug where someone wrote to NULL pointer and put the FLash in program mode
00:45:39	Torne	hah. yeah :)
00:47:37	Bob_C_	Shame to waste 1MB...
00:47:59	Torne	you have 4GB, there's not that much to map.. ;)
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00:48:32	saratoga	whats the correct way to watch for dock connection so that we know to enable line out on AMS?
00:48:38	saratoga	just check in the button code?
00:48:43	saratoga	or the audio driver?
00:49:09	kugel	Unhelpful: the mini2440 gets even farther. most of the e200 eabi issues seem dual core related indeed
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00:49:26	kugel	check gpio I'd say
00:49:57	Bob_C_	kugel: sounds like sd_read fails to read MBR
00:50:19	saratoga	kugel: fwiw its probably on DBOP
00:50:41	kugel	saratoga: I wouldn't be sure about that
00:51:21	saratoga	kugel: http://forums.rockbox.org/index.php?topic=22942.msg157840#msg157840
00:51:44	saratoga	though we have yet to confirm it
00:51:49	kugel	Torne: the crt0.S might not even be eabi related, but instead due to my newer version of binutils
00:51:59	Torne	could be..
00:52:27	TheSeven	btw, WTH does dbop mean? Division of Biologic Oncology Products? Design for the Base of the Pyramid?
00:52:47	saratoga	its an arm component for updating LCDs
00:53:19	saratoga	basically a 4MHz bus that can read/write control signals to an LCD, but sandisk uses it for button reading too since AMS devices have hardly any GPIO
00:53:50	saratoga	otherwise its basically a GPIO with a FIFO and limited ability to trigger interrupts
00:54:11	TheSeven	ok, so basically some kind of external I/O externder chip?
00:54:20	saratoga	yeah
00:54:34	saratoga	its actually built into the SOC though, and shares a lot of physical pins with GPIO
00:55:08	TheSeven	huh? why don't they just use the GPIO unit to access these pins then?
00:55:23	saratoga	some of them can be used either way, some are only one or the other
00:55:35	TheSeven	weird thing...
00:55:43	saratoga	the DBOP is much faster for some thigns since the pins have a FIFO and don't need to be serviced as often
00:55:49	saratoga	yes its quite stupid
00:56:06	saratoga	particuarly since it means you can't use interrupts to read out the wheel on the AMS devices
00:56:26	saratoga	and since some physical pins are connected to both the screen AND wheel
00:57:44	kugel	dbop is a ARM thing?
00:58:01	kugel	TheSeven: it means data output pin IIRC
00:58:25	kugel	hm, the b means something too :p
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00:58:58	saratoga	maybe not
00:59:12	Torne	ARM are mysterious like that
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01:01:33	JdGordon\|	kugel: is there a bug somewhere with the title position in lists? http://forums.rockbox.org/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=22971.0;attach=3898;image has the title aligned with the list?
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01:01:57	kugel	JdGordon\|: that's since configurable scrollbar
01:02:09	lazaruso	will rockbox install on the ipod touch 2g on 3.1.2 fw
01:02:16	JdGordon\|	if its on the right it does that?
01:02:16	kugel	if you put it on the right and don't chose icon line selector it looks like this
01:02:22	JdGordon\|	eek
01:02:40	JdGordon\|	you know what we need here.....?
01:02:53	JdGordon\|	a seperate user defineable viewport for the title!
01:03:04	kugel	errr
01:03:17	JdGordon\|	... or skinability in the list control!
01:03:27	*	JdGordon\| cackles like an evil witch...
01:03:30	JdGordon\|	viewports everywhere!!!!
01:04:45	LambdaCalculus37	lazaruso: No.
01:05:11	kugel	Bob_C: Bad boot sector signature
01:05:57	kugel	sd_transfer_sectors() fails apparently
01:06:16	kugel	maybe readding SD_DEBUG helps :/
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01:07:17	kugel	that sd debug is so bloody useless :p
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01:07:28	kugel	except for keeping code working that is ;)
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01:08:10	kugel	:o
01:08:21	kugel	the eabi build boots!
01:08:33	kugel	and even plays music
01:08:59	kugel	strange, the codec api should be incompatible, and I didn't compile eabi-codecs yet
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01:12:18	kugel	if the mini2440 runs it with so little modifications, F/X will make it even better
01:12:30	kugel	I think we should add a arm eabi option to rockboxdev.sh
01:12:50	kugel	of course tagged with "under construction and may not work at all"
01:13:16	kugel	interestingly, the fuze eabi build suffers from sd failure too
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01:16:39	kugel	oh, the eabi build doesn't cope with the enum statusbar_values global_settings member
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01:18:04	kugel	saratoga: the dbop pin is an interesting find
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01:27:59	kugel	Bob_C: I haven't looked at the data sheet, but it sd insertion is on GPHDAT bit 8, can we use that?
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01:33:09	[TiZ]	Hi. I'm working on a custom statusbar. Is there any way to draw text over an image?
01:33:10	Bob_C	sure, isn't there a function already?
01:34:11	kugel	not really
01:34:37	Bob_C	card_detect_target?
01:35:40	kugel	weeh, fs corruption
01:35:57	kugel	Bob_C: I mean interrupt to detect ejection and insertion
01:36:26	Bob_C	the sd_thread is supposed to do that i think
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01:38:27	Bob_C	H8 is write protect switch
01:39:09	kugel	?
01:39:56	Bob_C	The SD card does not do write protect, the host is supposed to read the swicth
01:40:24	kugel	so, that doesn't indicate inserted at all?
01:40:56	Bob_C	CD_SD is the card detect SD switch, on G8
01:41:21	kugel	ah I see, I only saw H8 and didn't look at others
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01:41:53	Bob_C	In the original code the sd_thread monitors the card detect, but I didn't bother with most of the Hotswap code
01:42:01	kugel	but well, we're currently not masking interrupts it seems, and the isr is #if 0'd
01:42:26	kugel	yea, I'm basically talking about hotswap ;)
01:42:40	kugel	it's a pitty that rockbox kept loading while I ejected the card :p
01:42:47	Bob_C	there is no CD ISR?
01:43:26	kugel	nope
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01:44:11	Bob_C	The architecture doesn't allow a single drive and hotswap
01:44:15	kugel	there's so many #if 0 code in that file ...
01:44:39	Bob_C	yeah, but the comments explain everything ;)
01:44:58	kugel	Bob_C: well, we could hack and don't actually unmount. but at least remount on reinsertion (and possibly detect that rockbox.mini2440 changed)
01:45:03	Bob_C	er, apart from the ones still in my head...
01:45:23	Bob_C	Why are you taking the card anyway? That is bad.
01:45:48	kugel	I'm used to do that...all my other targets have hotswap
01:46:16	Bob_C	Normally rockbox firmware would be on the fixed (internal) drive?
01:46:30	*	kugel wonders why sd_init_card() is no sd-generic function
01:47:51	Bob_C	A lot of the functions are nearly generic, but with target bits sprinkled through
01:49:48	Bob_C	i think sd_init_card has one target specific line to set the clock rate
01:50:54	kugel	that could be solved
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01:51:43	Bob_C	the sd.c driver doesn't really do much in the way of sd driving
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01:52:59	Bob_C	I think it could be usefully refactored
01:53:19	*	kugel could imagine rockbox enters some mode similar to ums usb mode
01:53:44	kugel	basically wait until the storage is available again
01:54:52	Bob_C	Like DOS? "Please insert SYS disk" or whatever
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01:55:55	kugel	I've never seen that, but probably
01:56:57	Bob_C	Ah, the good old days, IBM PC with twin floppy and no HDD
01:57:15	kugel	I'm too young for that stuff :p
01:58:08	Bob_C	It was only 1980 ;)
01:59:04	Bob_C	Or was it 85...
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02:00:17	kugel	any idea why transfers are so slow ?
02:01:27	Bob_C	Yes, the question is why doesn't it work without delays. We need to sort that one.
02:02:12	Bob_C	Domonoky was looking at it recently, but failed to solve it as well
02:02:23	kugel	timing issues are bad
02:02:43	kugel	we should get FlynDice a mini2440, he's grown to an sd expert :)
02:04:42	Bob_C	I could maybe use a spare
02:05:02	Bob_C	s/use/buy/
02:05:38	Bob_C	I like to solve the SD issue, but I'd also like to work on a HDD interface PCB
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02:07:00	kugel	is there some fifo ?
02:07:19	Bob_C	there are lots of fifos - for the SD?
02:07:22	kugel	yea
02:07:36	Bob_C	I think its 64 bytes on the SD
02:08:02	kugel	lots of issues on the samsas were solved after we figured that waiting for the dma to finish isn't enough, the fifo must also be empty
02:08:53	Bob_C	the sd driver waits for the SD complete int, but not for DMA complete, I wondered if that was correct
02:09:52	Bob_C	If we are unlucky its a bug in the SoC. I know of at least one in the SD controller
02:13:03	Bob_C	Anyway, X-files is on now, back tomorrow.
02:13:10	kugel	see you
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02:19:41	Unhelpful	kugel: any particular setting can specify that it's reset via a custom callback, right? perhaps a platform-specific function called by one of these is the problem?
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02:56:56	MG_Man	Awww damn, I think I bricked the iriver
02:57:17	MG_Man	I got the EU 1.30 FW, the bootloader-h300.bin, and ran fwpatcher.exe on it
02:57:21	MG_Man	Then put it on the iriver root
02:57:32	MG_Man	Did the firmware upgrade, now it wont even turn on
02:58:45	MG_Man	hello?
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03:06:41	aaron424	im here, but i cant help with iriver stuff, sorry
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03:08:19	MG_Man_	oops
03:08:30	MG_Man_	So, uh, like I said, I think I bricked the h320
03:09:04	MG_Man_	I got the EU 1.30 firmware, the bootloader-h300.bin, ran fwpatcher.exe, put it in root, then did firmware update
03:09:07	MG_Man_	now it won't turn on
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03:10:58	evilnick_	Were there any error messages when you upgraded the f/w?
03:11:07	evilnick_	Or when patching the f/w
03:11:11	MG_Man_	I didn't see any
03:12:07	MG_Man_	If there were error messages when upgrading, they went away fast because now the screen is blank, and I did not touch it
03:12:22	MG_Man_	so is that it then? it's toast?
03:12:38	evilnick_	Try pressing the reset button and then turn it on again. I'm guessing that there's no light on the display right now
03:13:07	MG_Man_	Wait what, it turned on, but earlier I did everything I could...odd
03:13:15	MG_Man_	I had to touble click on or something
03:13:32	MG_Man_	anyway, it sais 1.29 EU even though it was 1.30
03:13:56	MG_Man_	Also, there's no rockbox bootloader first, it goes right into iriver
03:14:20	evilnick_	Sounds like it didn't flash successfully then.
03:14:57	MG_Man_	oh well, sure am glad it isn't bricked, yet
03:16:37	MG_Man_	so according to the manual, the proper procedure is: get firmware (Non USA), get correct bootloader, run fwpatcher on the h300.hex that you recently got?
03:16:48	MG_Man_	Or does it have to be the current version the player is on?
03:18:07	evilnick_	the h300.hex file is the firmware, so it's not important which version it is.
03:18:30	evilnick_	Although I'd guess that going to a more recent f/w is a useful tactic
03:18:35	rasher	MG_Man_: You should use Rockbox Utility
03:19:24	MG_Man_	RB-Util patches the firmware to a compatible version too?
03:19:29	rasher	There's nothing gained in using fwpatcher except more chances to mess up
03:19:45	MG_Man_	Because before hand it was 1.08 USA
03:20:11	MG_Man_	Okay then, I'll upgrade firmware to unpatched 1.30 EU then instead of a fwpatcher one
03:20:16	MG_Man_	then use rbutil
03:20:37	MG_Man_	Maybe I'll stick with 1.29, since thats what the iriver screen says it is anyway
03:21:27	MG_Man_	oh, or its because I DID end up grabbing 1.29, irregardless, I doubt I'll use the IFW anyway
03:21:53	MG_Man_	so doing this shouldn't likely mess it up, should it?
03:22:26	rasher	Rockbox doesn't care which firmware version you use
03:23:05	rasher	(as long as it's a reasonably "new" one)
03:23:20	MG_Man_	I meant, is there a significant chance that I could ruin the iriver if I upgrade from an fwpatcher.exe patched firmware to an unpatched one before using rbutil?
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03:23:46	rasher	No
03:23:52	MG_Man_	Okay then
03:24:15	MG_Man_	Alright, it's doing it's thing
03:24:58	MG_Man_	okay, success, rbutil time
03:26:56	MG_Man_	I'll have to tackle that tomorrow, so see you guys later
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04:56:27	Blue_Dude	Note to log: I am committing a change to pcmbuf and playback that duplicates current code during track transitions, but written more clearly and efficiently to show what's happening. I plan to give this more attention later because I'm not fully satisfied with the way track transitions are handled now, but at least this way I'm not introducing functional changes or new bugs.
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05:35:19	JdGordon	am I going to end up pissing off everyone if the current statusbar is removed without supplying a skinned one which exactly mimics it?
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05:45:44	krazykit	probably
05:56:07	JdGordon	grr
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06:10:55	CIA-8	New commit by jdgordon (r23507): Fix viewport "UI area" to work based on what was agreed on last week in the mailing lists and IRC: ...
06:16:53	*	JdGordon doesnt think many people use the statusbar at the bottom of the display and have a wps with the %we tag...
06:24:31	CIA-8	New commit by jdgordon (r23508): Fix the WPS to work properly with the statusbar for the previous change.. Side effect is it fixes FS #10721 where %pb didnt work
06:27:39	CIA-8	New commit by jdgordon (r23509): fix charcell yellow
06:30:40	JdGordon	arg
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06:55:39	Hilikus	hey guys
06:55:44	Hilikus	is there any podcast agregator for rockbox?
06:58:45	JdGordon	rockbox just plays your mp3/whatever files... so you dont need one... use any that will just copy the files to your DAP
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07:02:33	Hilikus	i see
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07:39:12	kugel	JdGordon: why don't you just move it into the __PCTOOL__ part of checkwps?
07:39:32	JdGordon	?
07:39:38	JdGordon	thought you had to go to uni? :)
07:39:58	kugel	I'm there now ;)
07:40:40	JdGordon	this was the simpler change
07:40:53	JdGordon	checkwps doesnt care about the crap with the tatusbars and stuff
07:41:13	kugel	Unhelpful: I think the problem is that enum doesn't have a very defined size with eabi anymore. settings reset seems to simply cast it to int
07:44:39	kugel	JdGordon: I find the comment in viewport.c confusing (the one that talks about overlapping)
07:45:14	JdGordon	which part?
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07:45:59	kugel	the whole comment
07:53:08	JdGordon	I'm not sure how to unconfuse you...
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07:54:57	ruckus1	hey ey everyonbe
07:55:32	pixelma	JdGordon: just a quick idea about the quality vs. bitrate settings for the rec screen status bar - would a "does setting x exist" tag be possible?
07:55:48	pixelma	maybe this could also help in other situations
07:55:49	ruckus1	i've been reading around the internets, and on the site itself, and i am not clear only on one thing. is it possible to install 160gb drive in ipod 5.5 ?
07:55:58	JdGordon	pixelma: sure it would be possible
07:56:06	CIA-8	New commit by kugel (r23511): Reorder a bit in viewport.c so that we don't need stubs for checkwps.
07:56:45	pixelma	JdGordon: I mean - without much overhead and easy to use later?
07:56:59	JdGordon	sure
07:58:26	JdGordon	we could possibly change %St to have different meaning if the setting doesnt exist
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08:00:11	ruckus1	anyone knows?!
08:00:12	pixelma	sounds a bit confusing at first glance
08:02:21	JdGordon	sure is :)
08:07:57	ruckus1	hey JdGordon, you weren't talking to me earlier, right? just making sure...
08:09:15	JdGordon	nope
08:11:55	ruckus1	cool
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08:13:05	JdGordon	kugel: you got red!
08:14:05	CIA-8	New commit by kugel (r23512): Remove wps_data.remote_wps. It's redundant with the new global curr_screen.
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08:20:45	CIA-8	New commit by kugel (r23513): Fix player yellows and reds. I'm not sure why viewport.c was never compiled for charcell.
08:21:04	JdGordon	my fix was cleaner :)
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08:22:17	JdGordon	removing ->remote_wps may be a bad idea...
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08:26:57	kugel	well, currently it was rather a mess and created a lot of #ifdefs. much cleaner code with curr_screen
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08:27:25	JdGordon	thats not exactly pretty either though
08:28:15	CIA-8	New commit by kugel (r23514): Forgot to remove wps_data.remove_wps in checkwps too.
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08:31:10	JdGordon	pixelma: actually.... %?Se\|setting\|<%?St\|setting\|<some\|value>> I tihnk looks worse than %?St\|setting\|<doesnt exist\|value\|next\|value>
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08:32:20	kugel	pixelma: now albumart on remotes should work out of the box
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08:35:23	kugel	JdGordon: we wouldn't need curr_screen if simply gui_wps instead of wps_data was passed to the tag parsers
08:35:47	JdGordon	yeah, the api could be cleaned up a bit...
08:35:51	JdGordon	but later
08:37:12	pixelma	JdGordon: the thing with the latter is that it's not obvious for the themer with only one target and not being aware that the theme is usable on other targets where the setting doesn't exist
08:38:05	JdGordon	I'm not sure how the first one helps either... or really what the problem is?
08:39:11	pixelma	oh well, your way might work if the "doesn't exist" part is mandatory
08:39:49	JdGordon	which will break all current themes
08:39:58	kugel	%St is hardly used
08:39:58	JdGordon	although I doubt many use this currently
08:40:19	kugel	we really need statistics on the theme site about tag usage
08:42:56	pixelma	the problem I thougt this would help solving was the difference between the hwcodec and swcodec rec screen status bar (because on hwcodec you can chose recording qualiity not the bitrate (files are vbr and the MAS is responsible for the average bitrate based on the quality setting) and the bitrate setting that's in place for it on swcodec targets)
08:43:36	pixelma	thought it can help in other places too
08:45:05	JdGordon	I tihnk I've slightly changed my plans for that....
08:45:42	JdGordon	I'm tihnking seriously about actually getting skins working properly there, then hardcode a replacement bar into that screen so hwcodec/swcodec isnt an issue anymore
08:46:17	pixelma	change one hardcoded thing to another?
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08:47:00	pixelma	by the way, the rec screen once used the standard status bar until someone decided to move recording specific things from the rest of the screen to the bar
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09:03:55	JdGordon	pixelma: well yes, but im trying to get rid of the statusbar, replacing that with a hardcoded skin is cool
09:06:03	*	kugel likes the idea of %St\|setting\|<does not exist\|1\|2\|3>
09:06:43	JdGordon	that will fail the parser :)
09:07:01	kugel	the current one yes
09:07:11	JdGordon	no... even with the change....
09:07:14	JdGordon	you're missing the ?
09:07:15	JdGordon	:)
09:07:21	kugel	grml
09:07:37	JdGordon	the problem with that is most settings are universal
09:07:53	kugel	how's that a problem?
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09:08:30	kugel	that's not a real problem...
09:08:57	JdGordon	not a real one... no...
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09:40:30	JdGordon	thats another issue...
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11:29:10	LayA	hello?
11:29:19	LayA	hello?
11:29:22	topik	hello!
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11:29:31	LayA	i managed too install rockbox on my nano 2g right,,,
11:29:57	LayA	is there any chance that i can have the original ipod theme back?
11:30:09	LayA	has someone made one?
11:30:30	LayA	and btw getting rockbox too load on ipod nano 2g was a sinch
11:30:40	topik	http://themes.rockbox.org/index.php?target=ipodnano2g
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11:31:31	LayA	thnx topik ive alredy looked there :(
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11:32:45	topik	then your question was rhetorical
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11:33:17	LayA	lol
11:33:39	LayA	i bet no 1 else hasnt hacked a 2g nano before...
11:35:39	B4gder	LayA: right, you must be the first
11:36:24	topik	the reason for no lookalike themes could be the use of copyrighted images
11:36:41	B4gder	why would anyone want an "original ipod" theme?
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11:37:16	B4gder	and it's easy to make a theme yourself
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11:41:59	LayA	mk
11:42:08	LayA	true ill actually give u that 1
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13:23:51	Unhelpful_	kugel: ick. shouldn't make assumptions about enum size. it's tricky, though, as this leaves no way to set values via pointer, unless it's with a custom function per enum type. :/
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13:47:46	Unhelpful_	...or you can use ints with enum values.
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13:55:09	kugel	Unhelpful_: there's a gcc switch that linux uses to keep int size
13:55:21	kugel	or the statusbar could be just changed to int
13:55:52	kugel	I don't know whether it's desirable to have enum sizes dynamic
13:59:16	Unhelpful_	kugel: -fshort-enums to enable enum shrinking, manual does not mention -fno-short-enums or similar :/
13:59:48	kugel	http://wiki.debian.org/ArmEabiPort#Enumsizes
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14:01:45	Torne	Unhelpful_: EABI should default to short enums, but it's fine to change it
14:01:51	Titleist026	hey all, just installed rockbox on my ipod and wanted to stop by and say how much i love it, keep up the good work!
14:02:09	Torne	the AAPCS says that short enums are normal but platforms are allowed to define enums as being at-least-as-big-as-int if they document it that way
14:02:28	Unhelpful_	Torne: i don't see an option to change it... i could change it while building the compiler, i suppose...
14:02:53	kugel	can we use __attribute__((align)) on enums?
14:02:55	Torne	isn't every -f option reversible with no- ?
14:03:25	Unhelpful_	is it? usually such options are documented, aren't they?
14:03:33	Torne	try it? :)
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14:15:40	kugel	Unhelpful_: did you find anything further about the boot failure in create_thread?
14:17:09	kugel	the mini2440 boots an eabi build almost without changes needed
14:18:06	kugel	also, can you post your gcc patch again that disables exceptions?
14:18:21	Torne	exceptions?
14:18:36	Torne	wait, do you mean the generation of the eh info section?
14:18:59	kugel	I mean pulling in libunwind exception handling
14:19:45	Torne	That shouldn't happen.. :)
14:20:04	Torne	sorry, i thought you meant a different bug
14:20:22	kugel	but it does happen
14:20:26	Torne	(gcc 4.4 on arm-eabi genreates some exception sections even when it shouldn't because it mistakenly thinks they are needed for debugging)
14:20:40	Torne	which gcc?
14:21:06	kugel	4.4.1
14:21:26	Torne	hm, that's the toolchain I use for everything
14:21:33	Torne	what actually happens?
14:21:43	kugel	do you also compile rockbox with it?
14:22:04	Torne	no..
14:22:14	kugel	try it :)
14:22:39	Torne	i just mean, i build for a bare metal target with custom link scritps etc using it, and don't get it pulling in libunwind :)
14:22:59	kugel	try it :)
14:24:30	Torne	how do i get our makefiles to run arm-eabi-gcc? :)
14:25:10	kugel	s/arm-elf/arm-elf-eabi/
14:25:24	kugel	or edit configure
14:25:50	B4gder	or make symlinks in a new dir to prefix the path with
14:26:23	Torne	heh
14:29:10	kugel	Torne: you might not experience it if you have an abort() function or stub
14:30:57	Torne	I just tried mini2440
14:31:07	Torne	dies with no memory region specified for loadable section .ARM.extab
14:31:30	Torne	which is, iirc, the exact problem that I had with pycorn, which is the aforementioned gcc bug and is fixed by -fno-dwarf2-cfi-asm
14:31:36	Torne	i may be wrong though :)
14:31:40	kugel	yea, that's already part of the bug/problem I believe
14:31:44	Torne	it was a while ago
14:31:57	kugel	anyway, if you have those region (even discarded) you'll get a lot of undefined references
14:32:16	Torne	They only get generated in the first place by accident
14:32:24	Torne	-fno-dwarf2-cfi-asm stops them existing at all
14:32:29	Torne	so it's not discarding
14:32:39	Torne	i can't find the gcc bug number but i had it here somewhere
14:32:43	kugel	I mean if you manually insert those in the lds
14:32:55	Torne	i'm trying hacking that in to see :)
14:33:08	kugel	but it's nice that you know how to fix the problem we were fighting with over the last weeks :)
14:33:21	Torne	well it might not be the same thing
14:33:24	Torne	but it seems similar ;)
14:34:15	Torne	Oh, no, i don't htink it is
14:34:20	Torne	the cfi thing creates .eh_frame
14:35:50	Torne	hm, which binary has .ARM.extab?
14:37:37	*	Torne forgets how to make the linker be more useful
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14:38:34	*	Unhelpful_ can't find where he pastebinned that
14:38:53	Torne	http://gcc.gnu.org/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=40521 is the gcc bug I had on pycorn
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14:39:00	Torne	which may or may not be relevant :)
14:40:00	Unhelpful	found it: http://pastie.org/676303
14:40:22	Unhelpful	Torne: the issue is that libgcc objects are being built with -fexceptions :/
14:40:56	Torne	...er, then why doesn't mine go wrong? :)
14:41:00	Torne	i use libgcc :)
14:41:06	Torne	for mine read "things other than rockbox"
14:41:14	Torne	it doe sindeed go wrong if i build rockbox
14:41:28	*	Torne looks in his libgcc
14:41:33	Unhelpful	Torne: i don't know :/
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14:42:40	Torne	Hm, yes, my libgcc does indeed have lots of things with unwinding info in.
14:42:44	Torne	That's.. interesting :)
14:42:56	Torne	surely python must use division, somewhere.
14:43:39	Unhelpful	if you're not discarding all of that, i think things will link properly, though?
14:44:05	Torne	i should be discarding it :)
14:44:24	Torne	the final elf has no unwindings
14:44:33	Torne	and doesn't link to anything i didn't explicitly tell it to
14:45:29	Torne	my linker script doesn't put .ARM.ex{tab,idx} anywhere, and earlier in development i was accidentally generating them in various places, which did indeed break linking in exactly this way
14:47:34	Torne	hrm
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14:48:18	kugel	-fno-dwarf2-cfi-asm helps it?
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14:48:36	Torne	No, that's not related
14:48:41	Torne	I tried that on rockbox, makes no difference
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14:48:58	Torne	that's for http://gcc.gnu.org/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=40521
14:49:01	kugel	but you just said you had the problems too with pycorn?
14:49:06	Torne	makes -g generate bad cfi's
14:49:10	Torne	I thought it was the same problem bu tit's not
14:49:23	Torne	the cfi problem makes spurious .eh_frame sections
14:49:27	Torne	in every object
14:49:35	Torne	even helloworld.c type things
14:49:44	Torne	(if you compile with -g)
14:50:06	Torne	i had problems with .ARM.ex{idx,tab} appearing but i fixed those without changing gcc or libgcc
14:50:20	Torne	they were appearing in my own binaries because i was doing stuff wrong
14:50:24	Torne	rockbox isn't doing that :)
14:50:32	kugel	do you have abort()?
14:50:40	Torne	it looks like pycorn just literally doesn't link to the objects inside libgcc.a which have unwinding info
14:50:49	kugel	because that finally magically "fixes" everything
14:50:58	Torne	e.g. it doesn't use _divdi3
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14:51:14	Torne	yes, I have an abort()
14:51:21	Torne	pycorn is a full hosted C implementation, i have a complete C library
14:51:27	Torne	(newlib)
14:51:53	kugel	that might be the reason you aren't getting the undefined reference also
14:52:14	kugel	add "char abort[]" in main.c and if compiles
14:52:32	Torne	hm?
14:52:53	Torne	it just does look like i don't need any of the functions in libgcc that have unwinding :)
14:53:05	kugel	I mean for compiling rockbox
14:54:11	Torne	That makes no difference, it still has the extab section
14:54:32	*	Torne shrugs, sorry, maybe I can't help after all :)
14:54:54	kugel	abort fixes the lot of undefined references
14:55:02	Torne	i don't have any undefined references
14:55:13	Torne	it does seem unlikely that the entire C library and Python interpreter just coincidentally manage not to hit any of the libgcc functions which have unwinding tables, but maybe that really i sjust a coincidence
14:56:00	Torne	i thought i had poked it enough that there was no exception handling naywhere in my toolchain but that's clearly not true
14:56:05	Torne	it's just not in the bits I use ;)
14:56:31	kugel	I'm talking about rockbox...
14:56:42	Torne	yes
14:56:53	Torne	i'm talking about multiple things simultaneously, i'm afraid :)
14:56:56	kugel	you get a lot of undefined references if you add the sections to the lds files
14:57:35	Torne	yes, if you keep extab then it's going to generate references to all the functions in libunwind and also to abort.
14:58:07	Torne	Heh, you already have a /DISCARD/ for .eh_frame which may be why the cfi bug doesn't matter :)
14:58:11	kugel	and adding something that's named abort makes them go away
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15:01:09	Torne	if i just discard those sections i get just the undefined references to the exidx linker symbols from unwind-arm.o
15:02:12	Torne	i forget how you get ld to tell you why it included each object
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15:03:45	Torne	ah there we go
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15:09:14	kugel	Torne: we are failry sure it's _udivd3 and _divd3
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15:10:24	kugel	Unhelpful: I can't find your patch either, did you by chance post the link in #rockbox-community ?
15:11:15	Torne	yes, it is
15:11:21	Torne	i meant the bits in between that, though
15:11:47	Torne	grargh, crazy gcc stuff.
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15:12:01	kugel	Torne: the patch I'm asking Unhelpful about IIRC patched gcc at these very bits
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15:16:27	Torne	kugel: yes, that's in the pastebin above, just building libgcc with -fno-exceptions
15:16:34	Torne	that seems reasonable, i'm just puzzled as to why i don't have to dot hat ;)
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15:18:11	Torne	well, to be more specific i'm puzzled as to why division on long longs needs to call something that can unwind the stack but division of ints doesn't
15:18:27	Torne	_divdi3 has unwinding data, _divsi3 does not
15:19:37	Torne	oh, hm, that's not even longlong..
15:19:56	*	Torne boggles and wonders what these things even are
15:21:10	pamaury	gevaerts: ping
15:21:22	*	Torne reads libgcc source
15:23:44	gevaerts	pamaury: gnip
15:25:35	Torne	Ah, right
15:25:38	Torne	now i get it :)
15:25:42	pamaury	gevaerts: hello, I have a question about MTP/MSC. If MTP were to be included in the code, there should be a menu or something where to choose between them. In which menu should I include it ?
15:26:02	Torne	32-bit division is all implemented in ARM asm
15:26:14	Torne	64-bit division is implemented in C
15:26:35	Torne	and python doesn't use long long.
15:27:02	Torne	so yes, pycorn works by coincidence because it just happens that it never uses the runtime functions which are written in C and thus have exception info
15:28:10	Torne	so, yah, keep doing what you're doing, sorry :)
15:29:10	gevaerts	pamaury: I'd say near the hid enable/disable setting (added in r23322). Also, while I agree that MSC/MTP should probably be presented to the user as a choice, I think the actual internal settings should probably be two booleans (similar to the curent HID setting)
15:29:17	*	gevaerts isn't entirely sure though
15:29:54	gevaerts	pamaury: can you remind us again of where your working tree is?
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15:30:28	pamaury	godeater/rockbox/tree/master">http://github.com/godeater/rockbox/tree/master
15:30:31	pamaury	mtp branch
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15:31:29	gevaerts	thanks
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15:32:10	pamaury	For know it seems to work on my linux. I've not implemented copy because it's not critical. I've also not implemented move because of the comments I put in the code.
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15:33:05	pamaury	It works for some thinks with Windows but it's not recognized as a MTP device, rather as a PTP device which could explain the thing. I'm not sure why.
15:33:33	pamaury	It doesn't work at all under MacOSX (tested on once) but I don't have a Mac so I couldn't debug it
15:33:39	pamaury	*only once
15:34:37	gevaerts	I don't think it has to work perfectly everywhere before it goes in. It can always be disabled in the build by default
15:34:50	*	gevaerts will have a proper look tonight
15:35:29	pamaury	There are still lots of thing to improve in the code. Of course.
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16:05:11	Unhelpful	kugel: <Unhelpful> found it: http://pastie.org/676303
16:05:19	kugel	yea, I saw
16:06:04	Unhelpful	we should also patch out short enums, as it builds with -fno-short-enum but has link warnings for libgcc
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16:30:24	Ayshara	My Iriver 20gb won't detect rockbox and i've tried both the automated client and installing it manually, nothing works
16:30:59	evilnick_B	Ayshara: What model iriver do you have?
16:31:23	Ayshara	h10
16:32:15	*	Ayshara is very frustraited
16:34:32	Ayshara	anything else you need to know?
16:35:10	evilnick_B	Did you do the UMS trick with it? http://download.rockbox.org/daily/manual/rockbox-h10/rockbox-buildch2.html#x4-60002
16:35:45	evilnick_B	The manual (that I linked to) should have thorough instructions for installing Rockbox, so let me know which part you're having problems with.
16:36:30	Ayshara	Yes and it seems to install correctly but when I go to boot it afterwards, it doesn't detect rockbox at all
16:37:09	evilnick_B	When you switch it on, do you get a black screen with white writing on it? (which is the bootloader)
16:37:16	Ayshara	no
16:38:22	evilnick_B	So the install didn't work. What messages did rbutil give you when you tried to install Rockbox?
16:38:57	Ayshara	no messages at all, it looked like the install went flawlessly but....
16:40:13	Ayshara	just a second
16:41:25	kugel	Unhelpful: what about -mabi=aapcs-linux ?
16:41:37	Ayshara	ok, back
16:41:44	Ayshara	hm?
16:42:04	kugel	Unhelpful: I don't think it's worth patching gcc just for that single global_settings member
16:42:05	evilnick_B	Ayshara: You might need to run rbutil with sudo (or as an admin) - which OS are you running?
16:42:27	Ayshara	Ubuntu 9.10
16:43:22	Ayshara	It says the bootloader installed correctly along with everything else
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16:45:33	Ayshara	It's still giving me that %^& message about the system files being missing
16:46:14	evilnick_B	What precisely does it say? It's hard to give help without seeing what's happening onscreen
16:47:28	Ayshara	system files missing, to restore the system files please connect H10 to recovery tool
16:47:36	Ayshara	>_<
16:50:22	gevaerts	Ayshara: what files are there now in the system/ directory on the player?
16:50:52	Ayshara	.rockbox and .Trash-1000
16:51:02	gevaerts	that's not in the system directiry
16:51:50	Ayshara	I'm looking at the player itself right now, that's all that's there
16:52:08	gevaerts	there's no system directory?
16:52:57	Ayshara	Not that I can tell
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16:55:36	gevaerts	ok. Try making such a directory, download http://daniel.haxx.se/sansa/h10-20GC/H10_20GC.mi4 and put it there. If I understand things correctly, that should make the original firmware work again. After that we can look into getting rockbox running
16:56:42	Ayshara	ok
16:58:20	CIA-8	New commit by mc2739 (r23517): Fix FS #10751 - Fuze freezes when using radio while charging
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17:00:17	Ayshara	It's hanging
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17:01:25	Ayshara	The original firmware is hanging on me -_-
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17:02:31	gevaerts	hm
17:02:47	gevaerts	ok, let's go for rockbox first then
17:02:58	gevaerts	Reset the player and connect to usb again
17:03:31	gevaerts	then, replace that H10_20GC.mi4 file with http://download.rockbox.org/bootloader/iriver/H10_20GC.mi4 (the rockbox bootloader), and see if that helps
17:05:52	Ayshara	grr
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17:07:16	Ayshara	i'll brb I have to reboot
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17:11:39	Unhelpful	kugel: you could try that. the reason i suggest patching libgcc is that simply changing the short size, or the abi, will result in link warnings or errors when linking libgcc
17:12:36	Ayshara	The system is now giving me an i/o error when I try to copy the file given
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17:14:00	gevaerts	in that case you either have a corrupted filesystem or a bad disk. Try fsck.vfat first
17:14:19	Unhelpful	indeed, aapcs-linux does build, but produces the same link warnings. better just to make sure libgcc is built with -fno-short-enum, as well. it's not like we're not already telling it how to build libgcc
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17:18:19	kugel	isn't it just multilib?
17:18:32	kugel	that's different, it doesn't change generated code
17:18:52	kugel	what are the warnings btw?
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17:59:07	saratoga	so assuming we have the right register to check for a dock connection on the fuze, what is the right way to monitor it for an insertion? just have the button driver check it and set a flag when theres a dock?
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18:00:09	kugel	basically yes
18:03:38	bertrik	if it's on the DBOP then yes, the button driver looks like the right place
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18:05:30	mc2739	funman: not that I know of, nothing is listed on SansaAMSHardwareMappings
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18:17:14	funman	Is there a page which gives information on the mtp driver being written ? (I didn't find anything on the wiki/flyspray but I remember some people working on it on irc)
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18:20:13	BdN3504	is there any kind of documentation on how bmark files are created in rb?
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18:22:06	mc2739	funman: I am not finding any documentation on MTP. pamaury was/is working on it.
18:22:24	funman	18:22 < mc2739> funman: I am not finding any documentation on MTP. pamaury was/is working on it.
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18:22:29	BdN3504	i have a bmark file and wanted to use it as a reference for certain track positions
18:23:32	BdN3504	but the numbers in there are rather cryptic to me
18:23:37	BdN3504	7;259123;0;0;15249;1;0;
18:23:53	BdN3504	what does this mean for example
18:25:28	gevaerts	funman: I only know the git repository
18:25:43	funman	where is it ?
18:26:11	gevaerts	git://github.com/godeater/rockbox.git
18:26:23	gevaerts	the mtp branch
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19:02:06	bertrik	wow, meizu sure uses a varied mix of hardware, the M6 firmware contains initialisation code for both SDR and DDR SDRAM
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19:30:30	TheSeven	bertrik: I would guess they just use some generic library or startup code, which they use on multiple devices
19:30:47	TheSeven	or maybe it's a remnant from dev/prototyping boards
19:31:03	TheSeven	i don't think there are m6 players with different ram speeds...
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19:41:02	DerPapst	i just updated my beasts bootloader and now i'm stuck in a "no partition found" error and it doesn't connect to usb. any chance to backup some data of the hdd without buying a zif to ide converter?
19:41:23	gevaerts	DerPapst: do you have an ipod video?
19:41:28	DerPapst	yes
19:41:44	DerPapst	i guess that's the answer :P
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19:41:56	gevaerts	if you feel like opening that one as well :)
19:42:05	gevaerts	DerPapst: doesn't the bootloader do usb?
19:42:15	gevaerts	ah wait, you said...
19:42:18	DerPapst	nope.
19:42:34	DerPapst	it restarts after a while
19:42:49	DerPapst	"it" being the rockbox bootloader
19:44:28	DerPapst	before i updated the bootloader and rockbox everything worked. i didn't mess with the partitions or filesystem in any way. i even "safely disconnected" the beast first
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19:46:22	DerPapst	dumb question but current svn bootloader is supposed to work on the S?
19:46:56	gevaerts	I'm not sure if anyone tested it recently, but I can't think of anything that could have broken it
19:47:37	DerPapst	to bad. otherwise i could have yelled at someone ;)
19:48:15	gevaerts	just bisect the thing, and then yell :)
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19:48:56	*	DerPapst is away for a while and happy for more ideas if anybody has some.
19:49:30	bertrik	TheSeven, could be. They seem to configure it for SDR first and test if the SDRAM works, then configure it for DDR and test again.
19:50:02	bertrik	They do use dual drivers (and various hardware) for the audio codecs and LCDs
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20:35:24	bluebroth3r	domonoky: reworked mkamsboot Makefile −− comments? http://www.pastebin.ca/1657164
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20:36:51	JdGordon\|	kugel: is that comment still confusing you?
20:39:39	kugel	has it changed?
20:40:09	domonoky	bluebrother: the way you create LIBOBJS looks a bit strange... but if it works for all uses, i think that fine :-)
20:40:50	JdGordon\|	...no
20:41:05	bluebrother	domonoky: well, I'm just trying to avoid maintaining two lists with source files. Btw, any idea why the main function isn't in a separate main.c like for ipodpatcher?
20:41:25	kugel	JdGordon\|: then yes
20:41:28	bluebrother	that would make it easier :)
20:42:10	domonoky	lazyness ? :-)
20:42:11	JdGordon\|	its supposed to say that if the viewports dont overlap, then its the users stupity and we cant do anything about it, so give the full display
20:42:41	bluebrother	well, and it compiles fine as far as I tested. Couldn't try the OS X fat binary build though.
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20:43:29	kugel	JdGordon\|: but they shoudn't overlap
20:43:40	kugel	overlapping is what's causing redraw problems
20:43:40	JdGordon\|	?
20:43:47	JdGordon\|	no....
20:43:55	JdGordon\|	the user setting and %Vi need to overlap
20:44:05	DerPapst	the hdd in the gigabeat s is zif 40?
20:44:05	JdGordon\|	if they dont then we are in an error condition
20:44:12	kugel	what?
20:44:44	kugel	wait a second, you're right
20:44:51	JdGordon\|	course I'm rigth!
20:44:58	JdGordon\|	write
20:45:00	JdGordon\|	rite
20:45:07	JdGordon\|	:) right
20:45:28	kugel	I was thinking of the statusbar viewport(s) not %Vi
20:45:32	evilnick_B	DerPapst: It's the same interface as the iPod Video, so yes.
20:45:54	kugel	but, with overlap, you mean that the ui vp should be within %Vi entirely?
20:46:21	DerPapst	thanks. i'd rather not try to open my video because it's full of those ribbon cables.
20:47:19	JdGordon\|	kugel: no, they just need to overlap somewhere... even 1x1 is enough
20:48:00	kugel	if ui vp is not completely within %vi it might overlap with statusbar viewports
20:48:20	JdGordon\|	which statusbar are you talking about?
20:48:35	kugel	sbs
20:49:20	JdGordon\|	rememebr we always set the viewport to the intersection (i.e overlap) of the setting and %Vi
20:49:27	kugel	the idea of intersection was to crop the ui vp so that it's completely within %Vi, wasn't it?
20:49:56	gevaerts	basically, yes
20:50:02	JdGordon\|	yes, thats what it does
20:50:19	kugel	you said the ui vp doesn't have to be within %Vi
20:50:36	JdGordon\|	no i didnt... I said if that happens its an error state
20:51:30	kugel	you said they just need to overlap, the error is when they don't overlap at all
20:52:17	JdGordon\|	how can they overlap but not being within eachother?
20:52:27	gevaerts	saratoga: I heard from a usually reliable source that ipods can indeed use some sort of accessory protocol over USB. I personally suspect that it's a similar mechanism to how they do clock setting. The unnamed person who told me now has the Official rockbox usb tracer to investigate
20:52:41	DerPapst	just to make sure i don't buy crap... http://cgi.ebay.de/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=330366146336 this claims to work with ipod hdds
20:53:02	*	gevaerts wonders if JdGordon\| has had time for this yet :)
20:53:22	JdGordon\|	unfortunatly my video has kicked th ebucket apparnelty... which is very annoying
20:53:36	JdGordon\|	that is high on my todo list though
20:53:48	JdGordon\|	TONIGHT!
20:54:46	kugel	http://www.pastebin.ca/1657191
20:54:57	n1s	... on #rockbox, see JdGordon\| trying to save his video, will he be successfull or will it end in tears, stay tuned!
20:54:58	kugel	the XX area is where they overlap, but neither vp is within the other
20:55:52	JdGordon\|	the XX area is whwat the viewport will be set to then
20:56:09	JdGordon\|	thats at least what I understood the agreement to meaning
20:56:15	kugel	yes
20:56:19	JdGordon\|	yes
20:56:35	kugel	the commends reads as if the whole if and the block would "just make sure they overlap"
20:57:59	JdGordon\|	the if does make sure they overlap
20:58:07	JdGordon\|	if they dont overlap, the if will fail
20:58:12	kugel	the next thing, it says "if they dont its user error, so use the full display and live with redraw problems" but it isn't doing any of that sort. if the if fails the vp is left unset entirely
20:58:47	JdGordon\|	woops.. thats because I moved the set_fullscreen() call to the end which iirc was your suggestion :)
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20:58:57	JdGordon\|	can you fix that?
20:59:22	kugel	I can
20:59:44	JdGordon\|	ta
20:59:46	kugel	can i change the comment too?
20:59:54	JdGordon\|	to what?
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21:00:13	kugel	mention that the if block does intersction for example
21:01:17	kugel	btw, why fullscreen if they overlap, and not %Vi or ui vp?
21:01:41	kugel	if they don't overlap*
21:01:57	JdGordon\|	because none of those three will guarentee any sort of behaviour
21:01:57	evilnick_B	DerPapst: What are you connecting it to?
21:02:58	kugel	ui vp respects the user setting, %Vi won't give any redraw problems. fullscreen is worst
21:03:01	DerPapst	the beats hdd and a usb ide connector (for 2,5'', 3,5'' HDDs)
21:03:07	DerPapst	*beasts
21:03:52	JdGordon\|	ui respects the setting, but guarentees redraw if there was no overlap, %Vi actually makes the most sense
21:04:01	JdGordon\|	yeah, change it to %Vi
21:04:57	*	kugel doesn't think this edge case has any importance anyway
21:05:16	evilnick_B	DerPapst: I'd be a little wary of that in case the OF decides to randomly format it
21:05:37	JdGordon\|	kugel: having fullscreen makes it more obvious what the problem was...
21:05:42	evilnick_B	Unless there's a way to boot RB on the beast without the OF existing, but that'd be news to me
21:06:24	BOBdotEXE	is it possible to make a rockbox plugIn without recompileing the entire firmware?
21:06:33	JdGordon\|	sure
21:06:45	JdGordon\|	umm... actually
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21:06:50	JdGordon\|	make plugins might do it
21:07:13	BOBdotEXE	On the documents page, it said I have to get the source code
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21:07:35	DerPapst	evilnick_B: the rockbox bootloader doesn't go into usb mode. i started the OF once and it said something about having to recover. then i pulled the charger cable (my beast doesn't have a battery anymore since yesterday).
21:07:54	kugel	I'm thinking it should be done differently now
21:08:12	JdGordon\|	how?
21:08:17	kugel	or maybe not
21:08:39	domonoky	BOBdotEXE: was there a question in you last sentence ? :-)
21:08:47	DerPapst	BOBdotEXE: actually it should only compile the module if nothing else changes (and relink everything), thanks to the dependency system.
21:09:47	kugel	that you can't pass a viewport to option_screen is a problem
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21:10:01	kugel	or rather to set_int and the like
21:10:22	BOBdotEXE	ok, thanks! :)
21:10:50	JdGordon\|	kugel: a comepltly seperate problem
21:11:41	kugel	not completely. the option screen currently relies on viewport_get_current_vp() to get the viewport that the list before used
21:11:51	kugel	that returns the ui vp which isn't fixed up
21:12:14	JdGordon\|	viewport_get_current_vp() was a bad idea (sorry.. it was)... it should never have got in
21:12:33	JdGordon\|	change option screen to using viewport_set_defaults() and all is good
21:13:10	kugel	I think I tried that, but that gave other problems
21:13:30	JdGordon\|	such as?
21:13:36	kugel	can't remember
21:13:39	JdGordon\|	:)
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21:15:59	kugel	suppose you choose an entirely different viewport for a menu in a plugin
21:16:18	kugel	you pass that to do_menu(), it won't come through any set_int though
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21:17:47	Casainho	anyone knows if 140MHz coldfire would be equivalent to 140MHz ARM9? :: http://www.rockbox.org/wiki/InsideMPIOHD200
21:17:53	kugel	such situations are in the core too I think
21:19:22	JdGordon\|	kugel: ok, thats a seperate issue... set_int() should accept a viewport
21:20:29	kugel	I think you disagreed with that when I had the problem for the first time
21:20:48	*	JdGordon\| doesnt remember
21:21:25	saratoga	Casainho: depends which arm9
21:22:05	JdGordon\|	kugel: I probably disagreed for a different reason... all "controls" should accept a viewport
21:22:22	JdGordon\|	the set_*(), option_select(), lists, etc
21:22:22	Casainho	ARM Cortex M3? −− because I was thinking if Phillips LPC Cortex M3 running at 100MHz would work for a audio player device and run Rockbox...
21:22:38	JdGordon\|	Casainho: one board at a time would kill you?
21:23:36	Casainho	JdGordon\|: why not? There are small boards using cheap ARM Cortex M3, they even aren't BGA...
21:23:57	Casainho	that MPIOHD200 is a cheap device for sure...
21:27:58	Bob_C	my rule of thumb is around 50 MIPS for a sw codec, but the real way to find out is get a dev board and try it
21:31:47	Bob_C	which reminds, is there a way to report CPU usage in Rockbox?
21:34:54	kugel	you can log boosting, and watch some debug screens for the current frequency
21:35:05	kugel	the stack debug menu might be interesting too
21:35:26	domonoky	kugel: mini2440 doesnt do boosting at moment :-)
21:35:41	kugel	right
21:36:35	Bob_C	I can implement that pretty easily
21:37:36	domonoky	we often use boost ratio to measure codec performance, i think at moment there is no other way to measure cpu usage.
21:38:16	Bob_C	Is there an "idle" task?
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21:42:43	JdGordon\|	yes
21:42:47	JdGordon\|	one for each core apparently
21:44:16	Bob_C	ok, so if I create a CPU meter is there a way to show it on the wps?
21:45:30	domonoky	JdGordon\|: really ? i thought we didnt have a idle thread, but maybe that changed with the ipods (dual.core)
21:45:52	JdGordon\|	my mini2g has 2 idle threads in the OS stacks listing
21:46:11	JdGordon\|	Bob_C: sure
21:46:27	JdGordon\|	fix it up to return a percentage and we can do anything with it
21:46:43	n1s	how long is a cpu meter anyway? ;)
21:46:51	*	domonoky cant see a idle thread on his m200v4, lets check other targets :-)
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21:47:16	JdGordon\|	it might only be COP-ed targets then?
21:47:18	Bob_C	wel, 1ns = 30cm, if that helps
21:47:33	JdGordon\|	it is?
21:48:01	Bob_C	for a photon, electrons are a bit slower
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21:48:26	saratoga	Casainho: i've never heard of the M3 before but it looks like a very good choice for an MP3 player
21:48:40	saratoga	basically an ARM7TDMI with a fast multiplier
21:48:52	saratoga	so its probably comparable to coldfire
21:49:23	Bob_C	apparently the latest gcc has support for some of these Cortex chips
21:49:57	Casainho	saratoga: and look here a board using that ARM Cortex M3 at 100MHz: http://code.google.com/p/opendous/wiki/LPC175x_DIP_Board
21:50:50	Casainho	saratoga: but that one do not have external access to external SDRAM, I must find one that have.
21:50:50	bertrik	IIRC, the cortex m3 does thumb only
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21:51:11	Casainho	bertrik: means that is slow?
21:52:03	saratoga	oh thumb only is odd
21:52:11	domonoky	JdGordon\|: looks like only dual-core targets have idle threads. single core targets just sleep the core if there is nothing shedule.
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21:53:20	saratoga	i don't know what thumb2 is
21:53:34	bertrik	Casainho, not sure, I think thumb instructions are not as powerful as 32-bit arm, but you can fit more of them in the cache
21:54:17	Bob_C	the thumb architecture is basically a 16 bit instruction set
21:55:08	saratoga	thumb2 looks like a 32 bit instruction set with variable sized instructions
21:55:23	mikroflops	6
21:55:51	saratoga	basically the reference card has all the thumb1 stuff as 16 bit ops, and a lot of the armv5e stuff as 32 bit opps
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21:56:17	Bob_C	actually I think it is 16 bit plus some essential 32 bit instructions (because you cant switch into full 32 bit ARM mode)
21:56:33	Bob_C	but I could be wrong ;)
21:57:05	Computer	i have an ipod classic oh god what do i do
21:57:30	saratoga	give up
21:57:49	saratoga	or i guess get to work on a port
21:58:37	saratoga	if thumb2 has gcc support and access tot he 32x32=64 bit mul instructions (MULL, MULAL, etc) then i think it would be plenty fast
21:58:42	CIA-8	New commit by bluebrother (r23520): Clean up mkamsboot building. No functional changes. ...
21:58:46	saratoga	but i don't know much about it
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22:00:13	bluebrother	Computer: no idea what you do with your Ipod. I usually use it for listening to music.
22:01:17	Computer	is there any way to play ogg and/or flac on this thing?
22:02:52	Computer	aaaaahh i would have bought a different player if i had known
22:02:56	Computer	should i have looked it up
22:03:09	domonoky	Computer: yes, exchange it to another ipod where rockbox runs on :-)
22:03:27	Computer	i am so upset :<
22:03:38	Computer	i need some cake
22:04:56	*	Torne gives Computer a slice of cake: <)
22:07:07	*	bluebrother wonders when computers started eating g
22:08:22	CIA-8	New commit by kugel (r23521): Fix a possiblity where viewport_set_default left the viewport unchanged. Improve comments a bit.
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22:31:32	bluebrother	domonoky: any idea why telechips.c is built from rbutilqt.pro instead of being put into libmktccboot.a?
22:33:14	domonoky	no idea
22:33:40	*	bluebrother considers changing that
22:34:50	bluebrother	btw, what do you think about mktccboot not only using a source from outside (which is nothing special) but also compiling it outside its folder?
22:35:06	bluebrother	kinda breaks out-of-tree building
22:36:19	domonoky	does it really build outside ?
22:37:01	domonoky	the telechips.o rule puts the .o file into the $OUT dir. but the clean rule is wrong.
22:37:53	bluebrother	hmm right, it's the clean rule.
22:38:19	gitster	Anybody familiar with firmware/drivers/rtc/rtc_as3514.c and has access to both AMS and non AMS Sansa?
22:38:25	domonoky	but linking all into one .a file would make sense.
22:38:28	bluebrother	though I'm about to change that Makefile similar to the changes to the mkamsboot one
22:38:34	Torne	talking of building, why does the stuff in tools get built in tree?
22:38:41	*	bluebrother doing that right now
22:38:51	domonoky	and it also uses this -DLIB mechanism, so avoid having a seperate main.c :-)
22:39:30	gitster	On my Fuze, it is Nov 4th 01:40 am with the original firmware but rockbox shows 13:40 am (i.e. 12 hours ahead).
22:39:41	gitster	I am wondering which one of the following is true:
22:39:50	gitster	(1) SECS_ADJUST for CONFIG_CPU==AS3525 in rtc_as3514.c is wrong to assume that AMS Sansa counts from Jan 1st 1970 but it needs 12 more hours of adjustment.
22:40:09	gitster	(2) SECS_ADJUST in rtc_as3514.c is wrong for both AMS and non AMS Sansas and it needs 12 more hours of adjustment.
22:40:23	gitster	(3) SECS_ADJUST in rtc_as3514.c needs conditional not just on AMS-ness but Fuze is different from other AMS Sansa and it needs 12 more hours of adjustment.
22:40:31	bluebrother	domonoky: well, that will go the same time :)
22:40:38	domonoky	Torne: for the rockbox build, its probably because the tools are not target dependend, so can be reused to build for different targets in one tree.
22:41:28	bluebrother	btw, I'm considering to move ipodpatcher / sansapatcher to a lib as well. Any reasons against doing so?
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22:41:47	Torne	domonoky: well yes, but it's not like they are big or take very long
22:42:14	domonoky	bluebrother: no, that would be good. make sure to add those mac trickery for them aswell then.
22:43:00	kugel	gitster: it's correct here. are you sure you set 12h/24h display correctly?
22:43:29	Ayshara	back
22:45:38	RalpH_himself	hey guys
22:45:59	gitster	kugel: the same symptom either way with 12h/24h settings.
22:46:12	bluebrother	domonoky: ideally everything outside of the rbutil folder should be a lib IMO.
22:46:41	domonoky	bluebrother: yes, that is a good goal, but there are still many things left..
22:48:02	bluebrother	sure. But someone needs to start, and I'm currently at doing some Makefile stuff, so ... ;-)
22:48:08	Ayshara	I got the bootloader file moved to a system folder
22:48:18	domonoky	sure, if you are in the mood for it.. do it !
22:49:45	RalpH_himself	feature request: Maybe you have already heard of a "symmetric signal", which is used in PA quite often. It consists of twice the same mono signal, but one of which is inverted. Then, the difference of these two sigals is taken, which elliminates all distortion created by the cable. Many pro devices have such inputs. Would it be possible to have another "Channel configuration"? Wouldn't be too much work, just taking the mono signal a
22:49:45	RalpH_himself	on one channel...
22:51:21	RalpH_himself	I've done some sound programming in assembler, if nobody else does it, i will somewhen do it. But right now, I'm simply missing the time :(
22:52:40	domonoky	RalpH_himself: as you are perhaps the only one wanting this feature, you probably have to code it yourself.. but we are happy to help if have questions :-)
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22:53:12	domonoky	things only get done, if someone wants something bad enough, so he codes it himself :-)
22:53:16	kugel	hrm, viewvc breaks lines that are less than 80 chars wide
22:53:35	RalpH_himself	domonoky: it just popped up right now, when i was considering the construction of an active party speaker. and the amp would have such an input.
22:54:51	Ayshara	YAY! I got rockbox working, thanks everyone
22:55:35	Ayshara	That's one problem off my list
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22:56:43	CIA-8	New commit by bluebrother (r23522): Clean up mktccboot building. No functional changes. ...
22:57:30	CIA-8	New commit by bluebrother (r23523): Remove unused variable.
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23:29:47	JdGordon\|	kugel: you watching the "customisable statusbar" forum thread? interesting issue there (although its user error...) _set_defaults() needs to be changed to always set the user font (I think)...
23:30:16	kugel	yea
23:30:43	kugel	it seems to me that the guy doesn't get the font thing
23:30:53	kugel	"It's intended, that all viewports in the sbs file are set to font 0." is wrong
23:31:26	JdGordon\|	I tinhk he means there that the sbs should have its viewports with font 0... but the menu should be 1
23:31:40	kugel	but right, set_default should probably set user font and global_settings colors
23:31:41	JdGordon\|	the problem is when the %Vi says 0 and setting says 1...
23:31:53	JdGordon\|	yeah, I tihnk so too
23:32:03	kugel	didn't it do that before?
23:32:37	JdGordon\|	it may have which is why that commit changed it
23:32:47	JdGordon\|	I dont think I took those into account at all
23:33:04	kugel	hm, no it didn't
23:33:32	kugel	but it didn't return a skin viewport (where it makes sense to not use "-" for these fields)
23:34:34	kugel	although CustomWPS says that %Vi is used if no ui vp is available
23:35:13	kugel	which sort of implies that font and colors could be taken from it too . for %Vi, anything other than "-" for font and colors don't make sense at all either
23:35:22	JdGordon\|	right here we have a problem where the font and colours probably shouldnt be a seperate setting anymore...
23:36:15	bertrik	yay, I think I got sdram working on the meizu m6 sp \o/
23:36:30	gevaerts	\☺/
23:37:06	kugel	we can fix that or not. I don't really care. Altough I'd rather convince people to use "-" instead of filling it with dumb values that are not used anyway
23:37:18	kugel	(I don't consider it as a bug really)
23:38:12	JdGordon\|	agreed
23:38:22	kugel	one could actually want a colored list combined with his sbs
23:38:27	JdGordon\|	%Vi especially should be -'s
23:38:38	kugel	although %Vi isn't designed for that
23:38:53	JdGordon\|	so now the colours settings are redundant...
23:39:10	JdGordon\|	if we can force the user setting to always be there
23:39:16	kugel	how? "-" means use settings
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23:46:30	kugel	but viewport_set_defaults doesn't set colors if both %Vi and UI vp are set
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23:55:04	CIA-8	New commit by kugel (r23526): Get font and colors from UI viewport before intersecting, instead of leaving them empty.
23:57:34	mc2739	gitster: try adjusting the clock in your OF and see if that helps
23:58:01	CIA-8	New commit by lenzone10 (r23527): Updated italian translation and correct a little mistake in English.
23:58:50	JdGordon\|	kugel: wait.. ui viewport? is that the setting or Vi?

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