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00:16:14 | saratoga | any ideas why the clip doesn't turn on the screen if it data aborts? |
00:16:17 | saratoga | its really annoying |
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01:28:56 | Unhelpful | saratoga: check UIE? |
01:29:30 | saratoga | Unhelpful: ? |
01:29:34 | Unhelpful | UIE on ARM does not appear to touch the backlight |
01:29:59 | saratoga | other targets manage to power on the back light when crashing |
01:30:18 | Unhelpful | hrm, and clip doesn't even *have* one, does it? |
01:30:53 | saratoga | have what? |
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01:42:18 | saratoga | huh UIE doesn't seem to turn on the backlight |
01:46:24 | saratoga | Unhelpful: rereading what you wrote, the clip has active OLED pixels, but it still needs to have the back light on in order to read them (although in reality it just turns on the screen) |
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02:09:32 | Unhelpful | saratoga: "backlight" on means "display" on, basically? |
02:10:45 | saratoga | Unhelpful: I believe so |
02:11:01 | saratoga | the pixels are basically light emitting diodes, so they're either off or glowing |
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02:46:59 | Strife89 | Well, the Fuze is finally on its last legs - %20 remaining. |
02:54:02 | Strife89 | And it died. |
02:57:23 | Strife89 | 11H 52M |
02:58:27 | saratoga | 12 hours |
02:58:29 | saratoga | we have work to do |
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03:05:51 | saratoga | the new clip patch seems like a pretty big improvement |
03:06:03 | Strife89 | After using the iPod for a while, the time feels pretty good. :) |
03:06:34 | Strife89 | I kept wondering, for a while, if the Fuze would even drain before I went to sleep. |
03:07:44 | Strife89 | Furthermore, this is a fairly worn Fuze. The battery is certainly nowhere near tip-top shape. |
03:07:47 | JdGordon | pixelma: you get anywhere with the statusbar bmps? |
03:08:25 | Strife89 | That said, I'll start an OF benchmark tomorrow, then another Rockbox bench that involves *NO* interaction. |
03:09:30 | Strife89 | saratoga: Also note that I used ogg vorbis files. VBR, just short of 192 kbps. |
03:10:56 | Strife89 | http://www.rockbox.org/wiki/SansaRuntime |
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03:15:21 | saratoga | format probably doesn't make a huge difference since the CPU clock speed can't go below 62MHz |
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03:18:53 | Strife89 | What does it clock at when boosted? |
03:22:39 | JdGordon | saratoga: go ahead and email thingamybob for access.... |
03:22:44 | JdGordon | noone wants to object |
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03:25:48 | Blue_Dude | What *is* going on with the build system? |
03:28:01 | Blue_Dude | More importantly, where do we go to fix it? |
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03:49:26 | saratoga | Strife89: 248MHz |
03:49:43 | saratoga | Blue_Dude: it occasionally gets stuck, you'll have to wait for someone in Europe to wake up and fix it |
03:52:28 | saratoga | JdGordon: ok sending the email now |
03:55:16 | saratoga | lets hope that hotmail address goes somewhere he actually reads |
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04:04:10 | Unhelpful | kugel: i made another test image with all four subpixel layouts. one of these should look nearly free of color fringe for you. or else you just have eyes too sharp for your own good. |
04:04:12 | Unhelpful | http://www.looking-glass.us/~chshrcat/rockbox/aafonttest3.png |
04:04:24 | saratoga | 4 hours and counting on my clip |
04:04:43 | saratoga | i wonder if it'll go all night |
04:08:02 | Unhelpful | for calibration a synthetic test with pure colors would be better |
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04:25:39 | Tomis | i see color fringe on every single one of those Unhelpful |
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04:59:37 | saratoga | funman: ping |
04:59:50 | funman | pong |
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05:00:07 | funman | (and early hello) |
05:00:20 | saratoga | the latest clip patch is working pretty well for me |
05:00:31 | saratoga | you might want to try it out if you've still got a v 1 clip working :) |
05:00:36 | saratoga | 5 hours and counting |
05:00:51 | funman | i've seen it on flyspray but i did not give much time for rockbox recently |
05:01:05 | saratoga | http://duke.edu/~mgg6/rockbox/buffering_playback_v1.7z |
05:01:09 | funman | this has good sides : my clip is still working ;) |
05:01:14 | saratoga | try it next time you're listening to music |
05:01:22 | saratoga | thats what i've been doing |
05:02:56 | saratoga | anyway good night |
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06:12:18 | AEnima1577 | hellp |
06:12:21 | AEnima1577 | hello |
06:12:25 | AEnima1577 | and help |
06:12:40 | AEnima1577 | interesting, anyways any one deal with rockbox and mpd together/? |
06:13:17 | JdGordon | just ask yoour question |
06:13:31 | JdGordon | mpd shouldnt have any problems.. rockbox usb just shows up as a filesystem |
06:15:04 | AEnima1577 | i wanted to know about tag writing and updating |
06:15:28 | AEnima1577 | if i used rockbox to rate the music and wanted to up dated the mpd database based on what the ratings were in rockbox |
06:17:34 | JdGordon | nope |
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07:52:00 | pixelma | why does the built-in statusbar vanish on the remote when I select a custom sbs on the main screen (seen in an H300 sim)? |
07:57:40 | CIA-80 | New commit by Ubuntuxer (r23653): FS #10193 - Add a standart menu to rockblox and clean up the code |
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08:07:40 | pixelma | Ubuntuxer: what does standard have to do with art? |
08:08:29 | Ubuntuxer | what does you mean? |
08:09:22 | pixelma | the spelling (I only say something because I saw you spelling this wrong all the way in the forum post too) |
08:10:36 | Ubuntuxer | ups, sorry |
08:10:57 | pixelma | it's also wrong in German ;) |
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09:50:05 | topik | linuxstb: are there any plans to introduce a fix for FS #10679 ? |
09:52:44 | linuxstb | topik: I'm not working on the Nano2G any more - best for someone who is (e.g. TheSeven) to fix that. I noticed he's made one or two commits which reduce stack usage, but don't know if he has plans for more changes like that (if they are even possible). |
09:54:25 | topik | fair enough. thanks for the reply. perhaps TheSeven can pick it up |
09:54:46 | topik | that issue is the only really annoying thing about rockbox on my nano 2g atm |
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11:32:46 | salty-horse | hi. using valgrind, I get an uninitialized data read warning in strcmp when it compares strings "a word at a time", it tries to compare the data beyond the allocated area |
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11:35:58 | TheSeven | topik: i managed to get rid of all big things on the stack inside the FTL, so this one must be coming from the FAT driver |
11:38:02 | TheSeven | so there are two possibilities: move FAT buffers from the stack to the bss (and thereby disallow simultaneous use of the affected parts of the fat driver by other threads, thus probably requiring more interlocking), or just increase the stack size |
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11:40:54 | topik | is the FAT driver nano-2g specific or is it just luck it doesn't happen on other targets? |
11:41:40 | TheSeven | it's the bigger sector size on nano2g that makes the generic fat driver use more stack |
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12:25:12 | kugel | salty-horse: maybe the string isn't nul-terminated? |
12:26:48 | salty-horse | it is (the last string section.. "of\0" in the generated lang_core.c), but strcmp checks a bit beyond it beyond it since it looks at words |
12:27:14 | gevaerts | salty-horse: does this actually matter? |
12:27:32 | salty-horse | not really. the function is still correct |
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12:53:12 | Unhelpful | Tomis: some color fringe is unavoidable, because the image is using the components that make up each pixel directly, instead of grey pixels. but, on an LCD display, one of the four text samples should look less colorful than the others |
12:54:56 | kuddel_ | hello everybody, |
12:54:56 | kuddel_ | can anyone of you tell me if there's the possibility to sync my iaudio X5 with iTunes like an iPod? I'm experiencing with tools like itunemywalkman but the don't really feel natural in iTunes on a Mac. Any hints are appreciated :) |
12:55:38 | TorneWuff | There is an experimental patch to make other players pretend to be iPods, yes |
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12:56:08 | Torne | http://www.rockbox.org/tracker/task/10023?string=itunes&project=1&type[0]=4&sev[0]=&pri[0]=&due[0]=&reported[0]=&cat[0]=&status[0]=open&percent[0]=&opened=&dev=&closed=&duedatefrom=&duedateto=&changedfrom=&changedto=&openedfrom=&openedto=&closedfrom=&closedto= |
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12:56:32 | Torne | Hm, actually that's specific to e200 SD |
12:56:34 | ED-209 | hello |
12:56:43 | Torne | but the principle applies :) |
12:56:54 | ED-209 | first I'd like to say thanks for an AWESOME firmware/OS |
12:57:32 | ED-209 | second I'd like to report some h300 bugs which hopefully one of you can put on the bug tracker? |
12:57:54 | ED-209 | I don't want to log in |
12:58:01 | ED-209 | or register |
12:58:57 | ED-209 | the first is that with the wired remote, you cannot turn the player on. it says the hold switch is engaged (regardless of whether the switch is engaged or not) and refuses to turn on via the remote. |
12:59:16 | Torne | Er, please report bugs in the tracker :) |
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12:59:23 | toresbe | Hello :) |
12:59:26 | kuddel_ | @Torne: cool, i'm gonna try this and report some feedback in the next days :) |
12:59:52 | ED-209 | I don't want to register my info, I was hoping someone already registered could report these bugs |
12:59:58 | ED-209 | they are universal to all h300 users |
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13:00:01 | toresbe | I've got one of those 3G iPod Nanos. I gather that there's no running support and no current efforts to set that up, either |
13:00:21 | Torne | ED-209: there's no point someone who can't reproduce a bug reporting it |
13:00:27 | Bagder | ED-209: so what about follow-up questions? testing patches? helping out? |
13:00:29 | Torne | toresbe: Not yet, no. |
13:00:41 | toresbe | What would be the outstanding challenges in terms of porting it to the 3G? |
13:00:55 | ED-209 | badger: I'm not a coder, I can't fix any of these bugs and I have no idea what I'm doing with linux |
13:01:02 | Torne | kuddel_: you realise you will need to do some reasonable amount of development to make that work on your player |
13:01:10 | Bagder | and I'm not badger... |
13:01:45 | Torne | kuddel_: not a huge amount, but still. you will need to be able to do more than just apply patches and build; the patch only changes the behaviour for e200, not iaudiox5 |
13:03:54 | Torne | ED-209: the point is that if you want the bug fixed you should be prepared to answer questions from the developers about it, test possible fixes, etc, which means we need to be able to contact you |
13:04:15 | ED-209 | ok where do I sign up |
13:04:19 | Torne | ED-209: the bugtracker is not just for developers to use |
13:04:37 | Torne | "Register", right next to the login box? |
13:05:13 | ED-209 | that window took me to this chat room |
13:05:17 | ED-209 | I guess I'll go back to it |
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13:05:54 | Torne | how do you end up on our cgi:irc when you mean "register on flyspray?" |
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13:09:50 | kugel | Unhelpful: the first one looks best on my computer display |
13:09:53 | kuddel_ | @Torne: oh, okay, I didn't imediatly reallyze that by reading quickly - Are there any other recommendations for people like me who are not familiar with code development? |
13:10:51 | amiconn | Torne: Pretending to be an ipod is only possible on software usb targets though |
13:12:01 | Torne | kuddel_: No, that patch is all that's been done. |
13:12:23 | Torne | is the X5 swusb? |
13:12:28 | amiconn | no |
13:12:37 | kuddel_ | @amiconn: what does this mean? |
13:12:47 | kuddel_ | okay, i see |
13:13:28 | Torne | ah. |
13:14:55 | Torne | kuddel_: then no. there are various programs around which can sync itunes libraries onto non-ipods, though, but I've not really used them, so dunno. |
13:15:04 | Torne | google :) |
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13:19:25 | kuddel_ | yes, I googled for such tools but on a mac there are only some unsatisfying tools available who only hard copy complete lists and don't really sync lists etc. |
13:19:25 | kuddel_ | Thanks for your quick responses and plz go on with this great development on rockbox, i really like it and many friends of me too now. Bye :) |
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13:19:51 | ED-209 | Hi, I added two bugs which I think are quite major for the H300 series |
13:20:30 | ED-209 | it said it helps if you talk about them in the channel |
13:20:37 | ED-209 | should I link them? |
13:20:50 | Torne | we can find them |
13:21:11 | ED-209 | one is the wired remote not being able to switch on the player |
13:21:29 | ED-209 | but the major one is the plugin "metronome" being totally non functional. and it also jams the player |
13:22:58 | ED-209 | I've found that the h300 series is quite popular with musicians or DJs, with the inbuilt line in/out and recording capabilities... the pitch detector was an awesome inclusion, but the metronome is just as important, especially for drummers (there are some dj applictions for this too) |
13:23:46 | ED-209 | is there anyone working on the h300? |
13:24:40 | ED-209 | I mean there must be a relatively large community, these players are 6 years old and are selling for 300USD on ebay, routinely |
13:24:58 | ED-209 | even broken ones sell for a couple hundred |
13:25:43 | ED-209 | the demand for them is certainly out there and rockbox is makes these into a fantastic unit, but the metronome is a really important feature I find |
13:26:08 | Torne | Metronome bug is already on FS, you know |
13:26:12 | Torne | FS #10546 |
13:26:21 | ED-209 | it was under h100 series |
13:26:26 | ED-209 | a different player |
13:26:35 | Torne | so? |
13:26:39 | Torne | those players are very similar |
13:26:48 | Torne | and someone already commented there saying it doesn't work on 320 either |
13:27:08 | ED-209 | more exposure can't hurt in the fixing of this bug can it? |
13:27:36 | Torne | Er, duplicate bugs do hurt, yes, they're a waste of people's time :) |
13:27:56 | ED-209 | it's not a duplicate bug, I put it under the h300 series |
13:28:00 | Torne | it's much more useful if everyone experiencing the same problem is actually on the same page, so someone fixing it doesn't have to repeat themselves |
13:28:03 | ED-209 | the previous bug was for an h100 |
13:28:21 | Torne | That doesn't matter.. |
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13:28:29 | Torne | It's extremely likely ot be the same issue. |
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13:28:45 | Torne | There is also another bug with the metronome on a different player which is a keymapping problem. it's possible this is also a keymapping problem. |
13:28:54 | Bob_C | how would a user know that? |
13:28:59 | ED-209 | ok, well you said to register and report the bugs, so I did, how was I to know that the h100 and h300 are similair |
13:29:28 | Torne | ED-209: I didn't say you were |
13:29:36 | Torne | but you seem to be objecting to my claim that it's a duplicate.. |
13:29:43 | Torne | I suggest you watch 10546 instead |
13:29:56 | Torne | (or as well) |
13:30:34 | ED-209 | well, it's under h100 series, and absolutely nothing has happened with that bug report except another user commenting |
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13:30:55 | Torne | The fact that an existing bug hasn't been fixed doesn't mean that having a new one will make any difference.. |
13:31:01 | ermal | any port to action chips ? |
13:31:11 | Torne | ermal: ports are listed on rockbox.org, if it's not there then no. |
13:32:24 | ermal | it doesn say about cpu |
13:32:55 | Torne | oh, you mean a particular SoC? |
13:33:07 | Torne | (why do you ask?) |
13:33:23 | ermal | cpu is "action" |
13:33:45 | ermal | if yes I will buy an mp4 with action cpu |
13:33:54 | ermal | to test it |
13:34:09 | ED-209 | is there anything I can do to help with these bugs? |
13:35:13 | Torne | ED-209: If you can't fix the code yourself, then probably not until someone with the right player suggests something to try or proposes a possible fix. |
13:35:42 | ED-209 | I'll get an email if the bug is commented on by someone won't I? |
13:35:45 | Torne | yes. |
13:35:55 | Torne | you should watch 10546 to make the same happen for that. |
13:36:15 | ED-209 | ok then. |
13:36:16 | Torne | my housemate has an h120, if the bug is reproducable on his player I may have a look |
13:36:38 | Torne | and if i can fix it then you can test it on h300 :) |
13:36:48 | Torne | but i can't guarantee anything |
13:36:59 | ED-209 | the metronome? I should have opened this irc web client in a different tab |
13:37:36 | gevaerts | ED-209: this is with 3.4? |
13:37:51 | ED-209 | it's with whatever the last release is |
13:38:18 | ED-209 | the only one that I've used ROLO to put on my h300 |
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13:38:57 | ED-209 | previously I was just patching/unzipping |
13:40:06 | ED-209 | the thing that makes me sad is that I've used this unit for years, it's on it's 3rd battery at least, and 3rd or 4th hard drive |
13:40:18 | gevaerts | OK. Could you try with the latest current build? There have been some issues with button maps on h300 that have been fixed since them. I suspect that they could possibly be related |
13:40:38 | ED-209 | I just unzip the current build onto my unit? |
13:40:57 | gevaerts | yes |
13:41:03 | ED-209 | I'll do that now |
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13:45:00 | ED-209 | there is another problem too, when I plug the unit in via USB, the battery meter drops to zero and it starts charging from there |
13:45:19 | ED-209 | or it drops significantly and starts charging from that point |
13:46:07 | Torne | That's probably not a bug |
13:46:19 | ED-209 | it's a brand new battery. |
13:46:22 | Torne | battery voltage readings are just like that, especially on batteries that are getting on a bit |
13:46:27 | ED-209 | cameron sino |
13:46:38 | Torne | the voltage reading depends on the load |
13:46:47 | Torne | which changes depending if you have an external power source attached or not. |
13:46:52 | ED-209 | when fully charged it routinely says there is 27h 30m left of runtime |
13:47:22 | ED-209 | should I plug the wall adapter in? |
13:47:28 | ED-209 | and see if it changes? |
13:47:28 | * | Torne doesn't know what runtime the h300 is supposed to have |
13:48:04 | ED-209 | it's safe to plug the wall adapter in while it's hooked up via USB isn't it? |
13:48:58 | ED-209 | or no? |
13:49:01 | kuddel_ | hey, me again. Just want you to know, if anybody else has my problem (sync iTunes w/ non iPod): there are 3 tools available for macs to sync tracks from iTunes onto a non iPod-Player: iTunemyWalkman (hard cpies selected playlists to a specified destination on any mountable device), SyncTunes (development ended in a buggy state but has many recommendations for older versions in forums etc.) and Podless, a littls iTunes Plugin that does nearly |
13:49:02 | kuddel_ | same like the first but isn't as configurable. So, if anyone else asks you, you know ;) |
13:49:54 | Torne | kuddel_: If you try one out and find it works well for rockbox, please mention it on http://www.rockbox.org/wiki/UsefulTools so other people can find it there? |
13:50:17 | petur | batteries go old, even if not used. If you don't know the manufacturing date, you can't say the battery is brand new. Certainly for a target like h300 that is several years old, the new batteries could already be 2+ years old... |
13:50:26 | Torne | More useful than kjust telling us :) |
13:50:30 | kuddel_ | @Torne will be done in some days :) |
13:50:52 | Torne | yah, no hurry or anything, just if you find a tool that works well it's good to share it there, as that's where we tend to direct people asking for such tools :) |
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13:51:27 | kuddel_ | okay. Bye |
13:51:30 | Torne | ED-209: I would really hope so, but i've not used one ;) |
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13:53:05 | ED-209 | I bought it from ebay, the seller said it was brand new, it came with a recent manufacturing date and it's performed like a new one |
13:53:49 | ED-209 | and besides I had to dremel out the back of my iriver to accomodate a 2200mAh battery |
13:54:08 | Torne | ED-209: *some* amount of variance in battery voltage is expected, is my point; even if it's a new battery then there's no guarantee it won't jump some when you switch from discharging to charging. |
13:54:13 | ED-209 | and the polarity had to be changed |
13:54:30 | petur | ha! you bought an ipod battery, not h300! |
13:54:56 | petur | my CameronSino h300 battery (also 2200mAh) fitted fine and no polarity change |
13:55:14 | ED-209 | hang on |
13:55:27 | Torne | it doesn't seem likely to be a bug, is all; it's *possible*, but reading the battery voltage is probably pretty simple code and if it was wrong someone would likely've noticed. ;) |
13:55:40 | ED-209 | actually this new one was for an h300 |
13:56:01 | ED-209 | it was very slightly smaller than the ipod battery I had in it before |
13:56:28 | Torne | if it was for the h300 it wouldn't have its polarity backwards... :) |
13:56:52 | ED-209 | it didn't, I checked, I was thinking of the other one |
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14:21:07 | Bagder | http://www.slideshare.net/fscons2009/rockbox-at-fscons-2009-2518734 |
14:22:26 | ED-209 | hey who said to try the current build? |
14:22:35 | ED-209 | the metronome still doesn't work |
14:22:47 | ED-209 | h300 metronome bug, current build, still present |
14:22:56 | ED-209 | I'm going back to 3.4 |
14:23:14 | ED-209 | wait unless there is anything extra in the current build |
14:23:26 | * | Bagder sits silent and watches |
14:23:40 | ED-209 | is there anything extra in the current build? |
14:24:06 | ED-209 | should I keep it over 3.4? |
14:24:51 | gevaerts | ED-209: http://www.rockbox.org/wiki/MajorChanges will tell you. There have been changes, but I don't know if you're interested in them |
14:24:55 | gevaerts | Thanks for testing |
14:26:04 | ED-209 | ait that says SVN |
14:26:13 | ED-209 | is SVN the same as a current build? |
14:26:37 | Torne | Yes, "current" refers to the current SVN revision |
14:27:37 | ED-209 | by the way, when I plug the wall adapter in, the voltage meter drops right down again, and starts charging from a much lower point. how can this be. running off the battery it shows 76% or so, then I plug the wall adapter in (which is 5v 2A) and it drops down to a tiny sliver of a bar and starts charging from there |
14:27:54 | ED-209 | how can there be a voltage drop when I've plugged a 5v 2AMP adapter in for it to charge with |
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15:22:36 | marek_ | hi http://pastebin.com/m21da0ed can you take a look? i tried to use bootloader to instal rockbox on my gigabeat S player |
15:29:02 | AlexP | running it as root? |
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15:38:09 | marek_ | AlexP not, |
15:38:14 | marek_ | but i dealed with it |
15:38:21 | marek_ | in fact it was automounted |
15:38:27 | marek_ | and after unmounting it worked |
15:38:32 | marek_ | now i am very happy |
15:38:41 | marek_ | finally i have rockbox on my Toshiba S :) |
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15:52:08 | ED-209 | any h300 users/developers here at the moment? |
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16:07:58 | AlexP | ED-209: Most issues affect most devices, if you have a question just ask it |
16:13:03 | Torne | ED-209: You don't need to keep repeating it every hour, you know |
16:13:45 | ED-209 | because you're here all the time? |
16:14:26 | Torne | because we have a bugtracker, and people who are likely to fix bugs read it? |
16:14:56 | Torne | for the metronome one at least i have confirmed the behaviour is identical on current h120 builds and will take a look later. |
16:15:09 | ED-209 | the battery meter and "estimated run time" don't seem to correlate |
16:15:27 | Torne | One is calculated frm the other |
16:15:31 | CIA-80 | New commit by teru (r23655): jpeg/png: refactor use of buf. |
16:15:37 | Torne | so that seems unlikely |
16:15:49 | ED-209 | well |
16:15:51 | Torne | we work out battery percentage by consulting a discharge curve and comparing it to the voltage. |
16:16:19 | Torne | and then we use the percentage, the design capacity in mAh, and the estimated average current draw, to work out the runtime estimate |
16:16:26 | ED-209 | when running the unit for say, 10 minutes, and the percentage drops maybe 2% |
16:16:54 | Torne | if the percentage goes down by 2% the estimate should go down by 2% |
16:17:09 | ED-209 | it doesn't |
16:17:47 | Torne | what *does* it do? |
16:18:28 | ED-209 | well there was a drop in estimated remaining runtime of a lot |
16:18:48 | Torne | But was that 2%? |
16:19:02 | Torne | The estimation process is not very bright, as described above. |
16:19:02 | ED-209 | it wasn't 2% of what it said by any means |
16:19:50 | ED-209 | now I've installed the current build, the total estimated time on a full charge is 25 hours instead of 27.5 |
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16:20:16 | saratoga | my clip played all night |
16:21:29 | Torne | Yes, the estimate may not be *accurate* |
16:21:37 | Torne | but it should behave consistently with the percentage, is what I'm saying |
16:21:52 | Torne | the estimat ei sbased on our hardcoded choice of what the "normal" current draw of the device is |
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16:21:55 | Torne | not actual measurements |
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16:22:59 | Torne | If your estimate is not changing in sync with the percentage something odd is going on :) |
16:23:11 | Torne | but if it's just being inaccurate, there are a large number of possible reasons. |
16:23:51 | Torne | The estimate will change when things like usb being plugged/unplugged happen, also |
16:24:08 | Torne | the current draw estimate is based on which hardware is active. |
16:24:43 | ED-209 | is there a warm up period for lipo batteries? |
16:25:08 | Torne | no. |
16:25:38 | Torne | voltage varies with charge level, according to a predictable curve, and also according to load (in a less predictable way) |
16:25:50 | Torne | (well, less predictbale because we don't know the load) |
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16:26:34 | ED-209 | so you switch the unit on and it'll drain the battery exactly the same as if it were running for 4 hours? that curve doesn't change from "cold" starts so to speak? |
16:26:44 | Torne | no. |
16:26:54 | Torne | lipoly is nice and predictable when new |
16:27:15 | Torne | it gets worse the older it is, because the internal resistance changes and the voltage starts to become more and more dependent on the load |
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16:43:34 | kugel | saratoga: what patch? |
16:44:50 | saratoga | kugel: latest in the clip playback task |
16:44:56 | saratoga | http://www.rockbox.org/tracker/task/10605 |
16:45:16 | saratoga | been running this on both the clip and e200v1 without any instability for 15 hours |
16:45:33 | saratoga | if i get to 24 hours lets make the clip supported ;) |
16:45:51 | * | AlexP predicts 23 hours 59 minutes :) |
16:46:47 | salty-horse | saratoga, how long does the e200 last? |
16:47:01 | saratoga | you mean battery life? |
16:47:05 | salty-horse | yes |
16:47:07 | AlexP | salty-horse: The point here is that it crashes, not the battery life |
16:47:13 | saratoga | i'm running off external power |
16:47:17 | salty-horse | oh |
16:47:25 | salty-horse | it's good that it doesn't crash, then :) |
16:47:33 | saratoga | but probably 24 hours with a new battery, and maybe 15 with my badly worn one |
16:47:58 | saratoga | i should probably buy a new battery and do a battery test on the e200v1 |
16:49:34 | ED-209 | I should have reset my total runtime when I installed this new battery |
16:50:14 | ED-209 | hwo do you do that by the way? |
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16:50:56 | ED-209 | it's been 260 hours since my last hard drive smashed.... |
16:51:06 | ED-209 | (of runtime) |
16:51:34 | AlexP | ED-209: We don't need to know, this is a development and support channel |
16:52:08 | ED-209 | ok can you answer my question then please? how do you reset the total runtime? |
16:52:23 | saratoga | probably just delete your .rockbox folder and unzip another one |
16:52:33 | saratoga | maybe keep you config file if you don't want to lose your settings |
16:53:57 | Llorean | saratoga: Would that be something kept in nvram.bin? |
16:54:13 | ED-209 | the config file will have all my settings but not the runtime? I've changed a LOT of settings that I won't remember how to put back to the way they were, and will probably have to ask in here hwo to change them all back |
16:54:33 | Llorean | ED-209: Why would you need to ask in here how to change settings? They're all in the manual and the menus. |
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16:56:49 | AlexP | ED-209: Why not look in the config file? |
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16:58:06 | ED-209 | at the time I couldn't find exactly what I wanted in the manual, this was about 2 years ago, aside from the obvious ones. I guess I'll re-read it if necessary but I'd like to keep my settings. I will look in the cfg file now and see if it's stuff I understand |
16:58:06 | markun | Llorean, AlexP: why give a suggestion in the form of a question? |
16:58:45 | ED-209 | ^ haha |
16:58:53 | AlexP | markun: To see if he has any reason not to? |
16:59:00 | markun | ok? |
16:59:03 | AlexP | yes? |
16:59:18 | Llorean | markun: I wasn't giving a suggestion. I assumed ED-209 is intelligent enough to be able to navigate the menus and read the manual, so was wondering what must be lacking that would necessitate questions here. |
16:59:33 | Llorean | markun: Pardon me for making it unclear and sounding like I was assuming he was too stupid to know about the manual. |
16:59:52 | markun | pardon granted |
16:59:57 | AlexP | very gracious |
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17:01:18 | ED-209 | also I'm wondering if there is a patch available that will "stream" whatever is plugged into the line in through the headphones at all times (so I can plug my phone into the line in socket, and answer calls that way, and record if necessary) |
17:02:01 | AlexP | If you have it in the recording screen I think it already does that |
17:02:24 | AlexP | But that doesn't work with music |
17:02:40 | ED-209 | yeah I mean at all times |
17:02:53 | AlexP | There is nothing like that to my knowledge |
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17:09:11 | Strife89 | If such a feature could be implemented, it would likely eat your battery. |
17:12:36 | ED-209 | not amplified, just like a shortcut of some kind. the phone already has amplified headphones, it would just need to feed into the headphone out |
17:14:27 | ED-209 | actually thinking about it a hardware solution would be more appropriate |
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17:23:57 | Strife89 | ED-209: Enter #rockbox-community for a minute, please. |
17:24:31 | ED-209 | how, this is a web client from the rockbox site |
17:33:45 | ED-209 | with the h300 and some other units, is there support planned for the USB host? |
17:34:16 | AlexP | not really |
17:34:27 | AlexP | If someone wants to do it then they are welcome to |
17:34:50 | AlexP | But as this is a volunteer effort people work on what they want to, and nobody has shown any interest in that |
17:35:43 | saratoga | is the h300 even capable of USB host? |
17:36:11 | AlexP | Yeah, not sure if both, or if just one of EU/US |
17:36:34 | ED-209 | yeah it is, I wouldn't ask if it wasn't. |
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17:39:07 | hillshum | ED-209: /join #rockbox-community |
17:41:54 | Strife89 | hillshum: He did. :) |
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17:45:00 | Jaykay | can someone explain me the small random differences in the bin/ram size delta table? |
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18:18:41 | Jaykay | nobody? |
18:20:08 | evilnick_B | Jaykay: If it's very small changes then it could be to do with the distributed build system |
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18:20:30 | Jaykay | yes, 22b or so... |
18:20:46 | Jaykay | but why? different preferences on the clients or what? |
18:21:51 | mc2739 | it could be different compiler versions |
18:22:21 | mc2739 | it could also be code alignment |
18:22:52 | evilnick_B | And also different OSes |
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18:29:02 | hillshum | Because the native compiler that builds the crosscompiler varies between systems |
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18:33:45 | Jaykay | but it doesnt matter (affect performance etc.)? |
18:35:36 | Torne | It might affect anything :) |
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18:35:49 | Torne | but it's unlikely to make any difference you'll notice |
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18:39:22 | Jaykay | ok, thanks :) |
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19:16:56 | B4gder | http://twitter.com/stomachion/status/5801640627 ... |
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19:20:29 | salty-horse | B4gder, are you replying? |
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19:20:50 | AlexP | salty-horse: No point, people are welcome to be wrong if they want :) |
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19:21:27 | B4gder | no I won't respond to that, I wouldn't know where to start |
19:22:15 | JdGordon| | haha |
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19:24:11 | Horscht | wth is an ipod photo? |
19:24:23 | saratoga | 4G Color |
19:24:25 | pixelma | 4th gen Ipod |
19:24:42 | pixelma | with colour screen |
19:24:50 | Horscht | oh |
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19:25:14 | saratoga | anyone else feel like testing the latest clip patch |
19:25:16 | saratoga | ? |
19:25:32 | saratoga | I'm quickly coming up on 24 hours without a crash, I'd love to know its not just a fluke of my clip |
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19:26:07 | AlexP | can do |
19:26:13 | AlexP | where is it at? |
19:26:32 | pixelma | saratoga: does it still need testing on some other targets? |
19:26:50 | pixelma | I mean that it doesn't break existing ports |
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19:30:43 | Llorean | saratoga: Can't effectively test today, but if you still need another tester tomorrow after we've got AlexP's results, poke me and I'll give it a go too. |
19:31:40 | saratoga | pixelma: http://www.rockbox.org/tracker/task/10605 |
19:31:45 | saratoga | yeah it could use testsing on everything |
19:31:50 | saratoga | it changes buffering and playback |
19:31:54 | saratoga | there could be side effects |
19:32:21 | saratoga | buffering_playback_v1.patch is the one to test |
19:32:29 | mc2739 | maybe domonoky can test on the m200v4 also |
19:33:06 | saratoga | i think the important thing is to test on the clip, a flash target, a HD target and a HWCODEC target just to make sure nothing else changes |
19:33:34 | pixelma | saratoga: has it been tested on HD targets yet? |
19:33:39 | saratoga | i don't think so |
19:35:37 | pixelma | do you really mean the *_v1.patch, not v2? |
19:35:55 | Jaykay | ...is a e200v1 needed? |
19:36:20 | Jaykay | ah, apparently not :) |
19:36:32 | Jaykay | ( i just read the last comment in FS) |
19:36:38 | AlexP | Jaykay: I think saratoga has done that, but it can't hurt - you never know what odd combinations of things might unearth something |
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19:37:34 | saratoga | pixelma: the v2 test includes a minor optimization, you can test it too, but I was waiting for matsch to look at it and tell me its ok |
19:37:52 | saratoga | unless i completely misunderstood what he was doing it should be the same as the v1 patch |
19:41:45 | AlexP | How do I charge without rebooting on the clip? |
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19:44:55 | gevaerts | JdGordon|: is it possible that the wps code has redraw issues if you use conditional tags that specify differently sized viewports to be shown (%Vdx) for different cases? More precisely, it seems that the now no longer used screen bits do not get cleared |
19:47:59 | pixelma | gevaerts: my WPS use different sized viewports in some cases but I always fill the screen complety (with another viewport). That works well but I think I saw problems during "development" when spots where empty, but it's quite some time ago and I seem to remember that I somehow expected that due to an info given. Can't remember the details though |
19:48:32 | gevaerts | pixelma: http://forums.rockbox.org/index.php?topic=23142.0 is the one I'm looking at |
19:48:45 | darkham | hi people, i would know about assistive technology on rockbox |
19:48:47 | pixelma | saw that too |
19:51:23 | Llorean | darkham: All that's really offered is voicing of various screens. |
19:52:03 | AlexP | The clip "don't do USB, charge" button is hold select - on (virtually?) all other players it is menu (and quickscreen). Any reason for this difference? I'd like it to be changed to be consistent |
19:52:15 | darkham | Llorean, when user scrool menus, a voice talk the scroll? |
19:52:55 | Llorean | darkham: I have no idea what you mean by "talk the scroll." A voice will read the names of menu entries if that's enabled, yes. |
19:52:58 | AlexP | darkham: Talks the scroll? As in, says "Now scrolling down"? |
19:53:04 | JdGordon| | gevaerts: sure its possible :) I cant remember if viewports which are being disabled get cleared or not |
19:53:38 | gevaerts | JdGordon|: well this user is complaining that bits of the AA gets clipped off :) |
19:53:46 | pixelma | AlexP: on the Sansas it's all Select - and thinking of the c200, "menu" is on the Power button, so holding that might not be such a great idea |
19:54:04 | AlexP | huh, OK |
19:54:13 | AlexP | shows how often I use any of the Sansas |
19:55:08 | Llorean | AlexP: It might make sense to fix it on the Clip though, since the menu button isn't the power button. |
19:55:13 | domonoky | darkham: rockbox can speak-out to you menus and files/folder on your mp3player, if it is setup correctly. |
19:56:58 | darkham | Llorean, AlexP sorry , i go wrong with english, i mean if a voice says, when user scroll the menu, "Files" or "Plugins" when users stop scrolling on it |
19:57:14 | AlexP | darkham: yes |
19:57:41 | AlexP | If you install the voice files that is |
19:57:57 | darkham | AlexP, i can find .voice files? |
19:58:15 | AlexP | I think we supply English ones |
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19:58:36 | AlexP | darkham: One moment, I'll check |
19:59:25 | AlexP | darkham: Yes, English are provided, or I think rbutil will install them for you |
19:59:43 | AlexP | darkham: For other languages, I think you need to generate them |
19:59:53 | darkham | yes i understand |
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20:00:30 | AlexP | darkham: Rbutil will help you to generate your own ones too (if you have a text to speech engine installed) |
20:01:38 | JdGordon| | gevaerts: why is he setting up viewports to overlap the AA anyway? |
20:02:00 | gevaerts | JdGordon|: advanced UI stuff. Some sort of option button popup |
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20:02:36 | JdGordon| | oh the one in the forums? I havnt had much of a chance to look at it |
20:03:13 | darkham | i don't need it for now, but i worked on a blind union, and i think that will interesting |
20:03:35 | JdGordon| | nice screenshots! |
20:04:56 | JdGordon| | gevaerts: he wants the AA behind the popup thing? |
20:05:05 | gevaerts | yes |
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20:10:41 | CIA-80 | New commit by pixelma (r23656): Classic_statusbar.sbs images: make them proper 1-bit bitmaps, so that they work as expected with foreground and background colour and backdrops. I'd ... |
20:14:03 | JdGordon| | pixelma: thanks |
20:15:07 | JdGordon| | now just need to fix one annoying bug and the old bar can finally die!! |
20:15:32 | JdGordon| | can anyone else not read .wps files at all? |
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20:16:34 | pixelma | I'd like to see the hwcodec recording quality thing fixed, and I noticed an inconsistency with the remote sbs handling for packaging (and it doesn't seem to pack .rsbs files) |
20:18:05 | JdGordon| | " hwcodec recording quality thing fixed" ? |
20:18:47 | * | gevaerts gets a suspicion |
20:19:36 | pixelma | there are no rwps files in the source tree, the script automatically grabs wps files with the correct size specified for the remote and only makes them an rwps during packaging, that seems to be different for sbs (an rsbs file exists so there is already a difference - and it doesn't make it into the zip as it seems) |
20:20:12 | pixelma | JdGordon|: well currently the classic_statusbar won't work completely in the hwcodec recording screen |
20:20:21 | * | domonoky wonders what checkwps and the theme site does with the new .sbs files.. |
20:20:45 | gevaerts | How do you make a wps eat a new line again? # at the end? |
20:20:57 | JdGordon| | yeah |
20:21:01 | pixelma | because instead of the bitrate, it should show the quality setting |
20:21:04 | JdGordon| | bug... fearture... |
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20:21:27 | JdGordon| | pixelma: is hwcodec bitrate working? its very likely its not yet |
20:22:21 | pixelma | huh? As I said, there is no bitrate setting - there is a quality setting. The MAS records vbr files and you can adjust the average with that |
20:22:49 | JdGordon| | so hiow is it supposed to work? |
20:23:07 | * | gevaerts manages to get that wps to work |
20:23:14 | JdGordon| | good one! |
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20:23:52 | gevaerts | well, mostly :) |
20:23:59 | pixelma | JdGordon|: thought you could tell me as you introduced new recording screen tags... |
20:24:38 | JdGordon| | what do you want it to display? |
20:24:45 | pixelma | currently you could achieve that with %St I guess and a different classic_statusbar.sbs for hwcodec then |
20:25:12 | JdGordon| | have I not added the hwcodec sbs yet? |
20:25:34 | pixelma | it shows a small "Q1" etc. instead of the bitrate icons |
20:26:08 | pixelma | I only saw one sbs file (and an rsbs one) |
20:26:17 | JdGordon| | ok, thats just a matter of adding some %Xd<strip><number> tags |
20:27:02 | JdGordon| | ok, i havnt added it yet |
20:28:02 | CIA-80 | New commit by jdgordon (r23657): initial hwcodec/112x64x1 sbs |
20:28:09 | JdGordon| | there you go |
20:29:55 | pixelma | does your "Rb" tag deal with this correctly? |
20:30:34 | pixelma | seems you make it display a real "Q" and then %Rb |
20:31:25 | JdGordon| | you'd have to look at the source... I coudlnt tell you off the top of my head, but yeah it does set the tag value to the bitrate so you can do images with it fine |
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20:33:04 | pixelma | there are no bitrates, %Rb would need to return "0" or "1" - up to 7... besides a real Q and number probably won't fit. |
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20:35:13 | JdGordon| | there is a rough mapping from Q to bitrate isnt there? |
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20:35:50 | JdGordon| | I'm pretty sure I took whatever logic the old bar used and but that into the tag's logic... |
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20:38:41 | JdGordon| | but you;d have to look at the bottom of skin_token.c to be 100% sure what its actually doing... and I'm at work so cant help |
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20:40:18 | Paleskin | after upgraded the rockbox fuze, all my kanji title songs, didn't show up on database |
20:40:26 | Paleskin | is this a known bug ? |
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20:44:26 | gevaerts | JdGordon|: the reported issue had nothing at all to do with clearing or redrawing issues. The WPS asked to print "-\n" :) |
20:45:22 | JdGordon| | oh bloody hell |
20:45:23 | JdGordon| | :p |
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20:49:18 | pixelma | JdGordon|: ok, it returns the numbers (tested quickly with a test.sbs on the device). By the way - should .sbs files outside the .rockbox/wps folder work? Because loading the same one when it was located in the root lead to no statusbar at all, it worked after moving it into this folder |
20:49:52 | JdGordon| | its the same as .wps outside the folder |
20:49:58 | JdGordon| | they work untill being rebooted |
20:50:16 | pixelma | then that seems to be broken |
20:50:30 | JdGordon| | any images it cant find? |
20:51:01 | Blue_Dude | saratoga: I'll give FS #10605 a test run on my e200 for a while. A quick suggestion re: the line in playback that was moved. It would probably be cleaner to move the line to audio_finish_load_track itself rather than the audio thread. |
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20:51:57 | pixelma | no, it just contains a viewport definition for the statusbar (to get a system font one), a %Rb inside that and a %Vi for the rest of the screen to get the user font there |
20:53:21 | * | pixelma also wonders whether someone read the remote statusbar question from today in the morning (CET) |
20:53:23 | * | JdGordon| suspects onplay.c handling is broken |
20:53:41 | JdGordon| | if that someone is supposed to be me then no :) |
20:54:06 | pixelma | you or kugel |
20:54:21 | JdGordon| | link or reask? |
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20:55:19 | pixelma | loaded a custom sbs in an H300 sim for the main screen and it made the statusbar in the remote screen vanish, any reason for that? |
20:55:38 | JdGordon| | I belive thats a known bug... |
20:55:57 | JdGordon| | kkurbjun : has a FS task open with 3 or 4 sbs/wps type bugs |
20:56:38 | * | gevaerts doesn't like those multi-bug tasks |
20:57:05 | pixelma | hmm, I thought there were some fixes (but maybe not all) |
20:57:33 | JdGordon| | that bug probably wont be fixed |
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20:57:46 | JdGordon| | it will simply vanish once the pold bar is eliminated |
20:58:19 | pixelma | if it doesn't also make any custom rsbs vanish |
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20:58:26 | JdGordon| | it wont |
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21:24:50 | shotofadds | If I wanted to add an indication of the touchscreen mode to the status bar, how would I do that? Presumably this needs to touchscreen variant of classic_statusbar.sbs to avoid breaking other targets? |
21:24:55 | * | shotofadds gets scared off |
21:25:07 | shotofadds | s/to/a |
21:26:20 | JdGordon| | add a new token to the enum, and the table at the top of skin_parser.c, then in skin_tokens.c make it return NULL on non touch targets |
21:26:29 | pixelma | then it's not the classic statusbar anymore, no? |
21:26:38 | JdGordon| | no :) |
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21:27:21 | pixelma | couldn't you just use the %St tag for that? |
21:27:49 | JdGordon| | no, some screens force one mode |
21:28:14 | pixelma | ok |
21:28:15 | shotofadds | yes, the setting differs from the current mode sometimes :/ |
21:28:50 | * | JdGordon| should right up a quick wiki page on how to add tokens |
21:28:52 | shotofadds | this gets back to the discussion about how to deal with touchscreen variants of .wps's again. Really unsure about that. |
21:29:13 | JdGordon| | which problem in particular? |
21:29:38 | shotofadds | how to pick up a touchscreen variant of a wps/sbs in preference to the generic version |
21:29:43 | shotofadds | in wpsbuild |
21:30:01 | shotofadds | iirc you were against adding an extra .touch or something to the filena,e |
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21:32:25 | sacarasc | Does Rockbox have an audio book mode? |
21:32:38 | JdGordon| | I'm not against it.. I just think that doesnt make things easier |
21:34:07 | JdGordon| | sacarasc: depends what your definition of audio book mode is |
21:35:08 | shotofadds | JdGordon: right now it makes it easier for me, but I can see why it doesn't help in the long run... |
21:36:24 | JdGordon| | <theme name>[.<width>.<height>[.<depth]][.hwcodec][.swcodec][.fm][.touch][.<target name>].wps |
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21:36:28 | JdGordon| | nice and complicated :) |
21:36:34 | JdGordon| | surely there is a better way to do it? |
21:36:57 | JdGordon| | like using features.txt and a similar thing to the lang files |
21:38:25 | shotofadds | I'm sure you're right ;-) |
21:38:28 | JdGordon| | actually, we should say bugger it and only ship cabbie for all targets, and a dead simple theme which doesnt need a different vairent for each |
21:38:35 | JdGordon| | everything else should come from the themes site |
21:39:13 | gevaerts | then the theme site needs this logic |
21:39:31 | gevaerts | but that one needs it anyway I guess |
21:40:55 | JdGordon| | well, it would almost be the same logic |
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22:13:49 | saratoga | Blue_Dude: tell matsch, its his idea, i'm just testing it |
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22:22:14 | seani | B4dger: couldn't resist gently responding to @stomachion. I suspect it will make no difference, but still... |
22:24:40 | B4gder | :-) |
22:25:18 | kugel | saratoga: the code already contains a comment that is likely to be our problem? |
22:25:20 | shotofadds | JdGordon|: why are some tokens #ifdef'd completely, but some just return NULL? |
22:26:15 | JdGordon| | if there is a reason it sholdnt be in the build at all it gets ifdefed :) |
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22:26:47 | JdGordon| | if it would be useful or not really change anything on targets where its not used it should stay in so themes can be shared |
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22:27:46 | shotofadds | eg. the touchscreen tokens, is it intentional that they exist for all builds? |
22:28:28 | shotofadds | if that were the case, I shouldn't need a touchscreen variant of the .wps/.sbs at all |
22:29:11 | JdGordon| | you would anyway, because I could imagine alot of extra stuff in a touch variant |
22:29:21 | JdGordon| | but no, there is no real reason they cant be in all builds |
22:29:58 | shotofadds | so there wouldn't be a problem adding a 'touch mode' icon to classic_statusbar? |
22:30:09 | shotofadds | since it would be ignored anyway |
22:30:39 | shotofadds | (i'm assuming here that classic_statusbar would be the default - such an icon definitely needs to be in the default) |
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23:10:25 | CIA-80 | New commit by torne (r23658): Fix FS #10546 - metronome doesn't work on h1xx/h3xx. ... |
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23:11:23 | Torne | Does anyone have an ondio? |
23:11:46 | Torne | i think the metronome bug I just fixed in r23658 applies to ondio too, and i made the same fix, but can't test it ;) |
23:12:08 | LambdaCalculus37 | Torne: pixelma has an Ondio. |
23:13:17 | Torne | build expected to complete in 62m? |
23:13:18 | Torne | what? |
23:13:40 | gevaerts | your clock is wrong |
23:13:54 | Torne | no it isn't |
23:14:02 | Torne | wait yes it is |
23:14:07 | Torne | how did that happen. |
23:14:16 | * | gevaerts is psychic |
23:14:20 | Torne | i have NTP on |
23:14:21 | * | B4gder whistles |
23:14:35 | gevaerts | wrong timezone setting? |
23:14:48 | Torne | nope, forcing it to resync just fixed the clock. |
23:15:04 | Torne | Oh, right. I expect both copies of windows changed the timezone. |
23:15:19 | Torne | anyway, if someone can try that on ondio that'd be good |
23:15:24 | Torne | it works on h120 |
23:15:33 | Torne | and presumably on h300 as the keys are identical |
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23:23:20 | JdGordon| | shotofadds: it might not be the default on all targets, but putting that icon in is no problem |
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23:28:07 | Blue_Dude | saratoga: On second thought, I'm not sure it belongs in the function. His code move apparently got the correct result, but from his comments it appears he's not 100% sure why. It probably belongs somewhere else. |
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23:33:03 | pixelma | Torne: metronome has button mapping problems since changing it to use pluginlib actions (and a more complicated tap and play handling) on the Ondio and the Player and c200. I don't think these small fixes help any (or fix one and introduce another bug with other actions or on other targets). You can test many of these mappings in a sim except some hardware specific limits like for X5 and M5 where button combos are electrically not possible |
23:33:41 | Torne | pixelma: The changes are specific to h1xx/3xx and ondio |
23:33:48 | Torne | so they can't break any other target |
23:34:11 | Torne | it's just fixing the mapping table used for those targets' special mappings so they pass onto the right context |
23:34:23 | pixelma | I don't think it'll make it work completely though |
23:34:28 | Torne | it does on h120/h300 |
23:34:36 | Torne | and i can't see it making ondio worse |
23:35:38 | Torne | i dont' ahve anything set up to build sims (though i clearly should) |
23:36:06 | Torne | if you wanna fix it more then, er, go ahead :) |
23:36:33 | Torne | it was a trivial change, i'm not looking to rework it |
23:36:33 | pixelma | maybe it doen't make it worse but I have doubts you can use the plugin like you used to before pluginlib actions. The Ondio is very short of buttons, the plugin combines different contexts and you get "overlapping" |
23:37:06 | Torne | well maybe, but i didn't do that, and i am not particularly motivated to work out a solution for a player i don't have access to.. |
23:37:21 | pixelma | I don't say you need to |
23:37:23 | AlexP | If it is so broken, why not just revert it to before it was changed for actions? |
23:37:40 | kugel | pixelma: you could test if the latest pla rework patch makes it any better (I hope it's in sync stiill) |
23:40:24 | pixelma | Torne: just that I doubt it'll make metronome work completely (and maybe I can't test if your change does anything at all in case some other button/action assignment has priority) |
23:41:36 | Torne | right. well, i just fixed the obvious bug :) |
23:43:37 | pixelma | AlexP: I think the problem was that the same commit also introduced a different "UI" a bit like different "screens" for tapping and playing, and some ports didn't exist by then. And there was a different idea for a solution (using actions but per plugin not in a lib, that hasn't happened until now though :\ ) |
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23:47:56 | pixelma | kugel: will try... oh well... |
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23:50:57 | pixelma | AlexP: I think before you didn't have to press a button for playback - it just always played and you could still adjiust the timing with tapping |
23:51:49 | AlexP | OK - I've never used it myself :) |
23:53:01 | pixelma | you need one button/action less which makes it easier on targets without many better but you always had sound. I'm not a 100% sure it was like that but think so currently |
23:53:25 | pixelma | s/better/buttons (wonder how that happened) |
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