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#rockbox log for 2009-11-18

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00:03:46saratoga24 hours without a crash on my clip :)
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00:12:39pixelmaTorne: I'll still test the change, who knows
00:12:55Tornepixelma: it will stop the last mapping table being ignored
00:13:02Tornewhich may make one or two nonfunctional buttons function
00:13:08Tornebut it won't help any of the overlapping issues :)
00:13:21Torneit makes "start/stop" and "exit" work on h120, though, which is kinda critical :)
00:13:29Tornewithout those the plugin is not so great :)
00:14:45pixelmawell non-functional buttons arise from mapping things to the same button more than once (in different contexts but since the plugin combines contexts the first context in the list takes priority) so yeah
00:15:11Torneon h120 because the next context was wrong in the table, it skipped straight ot the default non-pluginlib actions
00:15:25Tornewhich meant stop/play were returned as their normal main app action numbers
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00:15:52Torneso you press them and they are recognised as something that's not mapped at all, which is not the same :)
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00:20:33pixelmain contrast to on the Ondio, the plugin should have worked once on the H100/300 considering that the developer who implement PLA in this plugin had an H100
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00:21:12pixelmaalthough... maybe that doesn't mean anything... ;)
00:21:48pixelmaI mean should have worked with pluginlib actions
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00:24:36Tornei dunno. i just worked out what was wrong with debug splashes and then copied how pictureflow did it :)
00:24:46Tornei didn't really investigate the history ;)
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00:39:55*Unhelpful rather prefers the way PF does it
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00:55:04pixelmaTorne: tapping is still broken (you are supposed to start and stop and tap with the same button, tapping is recognised as a "lasting" tap and results in the highest possible bpm which seems to be 400 (but as I said it was broken before, could be that start and stop works slightly better now - I'm not sure)
00:55:27Tornepixelma: right. That button is bound in a way specific to ondio anyway.
00:55:46Torneit's quite possible it makes no difference at all for ondio
00:56:02Tornedid exiting work before?
00:56:08Torne(does exiting work now?)
00:57:08pixelmayes, but I believe it worked before too. Unfortunately I didn't test right before and last time is quite a while ago
00:57:30Tornewell it sounds like it probably hasn't made anything worse, at least ;)
00:57:41pixelmayes ;)
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00:59:12*pixelma wonders how to get the inbuilt status bar back once you selected an sbs (deleting that line in config.cfg didn't help right now and there doesn't seem to be a setting :\\ )
00:59:25saratogakugel: how do I tag a release bootloader?
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00:59:57pixelmaalthough... deleting that line helped - I now have no statusbar
01:00:00JdGordon|run up behind it and slap it :)
01:00:27JdGordon|pixelma: with the patch or svn?
01:00:45JdGordon|sttusbar: top
01:00:55JdGordon|the setting moved to theme settings
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01:01:58pixelmadon't see it anywhere
01:02:37JdGordon|then just add the statusbar:top line back to the config
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01:05:23pixelmaah thanks
01:05:45kugelsaratoga: svn cp. what do you want to tag?
01:07:39saratogakugel: a clip bootloader
01:07:47saratogait needs a release number though, right?
01:07:57kugelpixelma: the statusbar setting menu is still there
01:08:30kugelsaratoga: we have tagged bootloaders for all ams sansas already
01:08:42kugelpixelma: theme menu
01:08:43saratogakugel: where is the clip one?
01:08:53kugelthere's a tag for all AMSes
01:09:09saratogaah so just check it out and compile and it'll have the right version number?
01:11:43pixelmawhy is it there now? :\
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01:19:02pixelmakugel: now there's another problem (maybe related to the loading speedup from a few days ago) - if you try to resume a playlist where the files don't exist anymore, the WPS just sits at the loading splash (can easily happen on the Ondio if you pulled the card in the meantime) :/
01:19:54kugelis that a new problem?
01:19:55pixelmar23636 did not have that problem but the long load times
01:20:18kugelwhat did it do before?
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01:21:10pixelmareturned to the filebrowser
01:21:24pixelma(or last screen)
01:21:36kugelwithout showing a splash or something?
01:22:55pixelmanow it works with a roloed rev 23658 too, very weird
01:23:15pixelmaI can only see the "loading" splash for a short time
01:24:23kugelI don't think rockbox behaves very "defined" in that case anyway
01:25:12JdGordon|it should just skip the missing tracks as it tries to load them
01:25:14pixelmaok, a few tries later: both revisions have that problem but not with the first resume after just turning on
01:25:41pixelmayeah, this is how I remember it did
01:26:31pixelmabut that doesn't work with rev 23636, so I would have to go further back... but not now
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01:32:00pixelmakugel: on a different note, metronome is usable with that patch (I'm surprised there were some long/short button presses that worked out with that UI and are even somewhat intuitive). The explanations are wrong but I think that's in SVN too and for quite a number of targets. I give the patch some more testing the next days
01:32:10pixelmaon the Ondio... ;)
01:32:39kugelyea, the idea of describing doesn't work with PLA anyway
01:32:45kugeldescribing buttons*
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01:41:48CIA-80New commit by mt (r23659): Handle mid-track resumes in RM.
01:49:14pixelmasaratoga: I'm not sure it is your patch but I get data aborts on my c200 now, on starting play with *some* mp3s and stopping of an ogg (but seems reproducible currently). Have to investigate further but I'm really off for sleep now
01:49:24pixelmawith the v2 patch
01:49:53Strife89pixelma: v2 c200s only?
01:50:39pixelmano, the buffering_playback_v2.patch on a v1 c200
01:51:03Strife89pixelma: Sorry, wasn't aware.
01:51:42pixelmaI should have been more precise in first place
01:51:59*Strife89 rereads that last statement and decides it was not sarcasm.
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01:52:17Strife89pixelma: What FS number?
01:52:19pixelmait wasn't
01:53:04Blue_Dudesaratoga: I can confirm that. I applied your patch to r23657 on a e200 and I'm getting reproduceable data aborts all over the place.
01:53:13Strife89(The way it reads, the "v2" in the filename was interpreted by me as "v2 c200"; hence the thinking it was sarcasm.)
01:53:32Blue_DudeI don't know yet if it's r23657 or the patch yet.
01:53:42Strife89pixelma: I have two c200s, so I'll try to reproduce with mine.
01:54:27Strife89Probably not now, but in a little while.
01:54:46pixelmaBlue_Dude, Strife89: r23658 here
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01:55:00Strife89Duly noted.
01:55:14Blue_DudeI just updated to r23659 and I'll try it with and without the patch.
01:55:14pixelmaand saratoga
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02:00:44CIA-80New commit by mt (r23660): Set svn:keywords property.
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02:42:43Blue_Duder23659 is stable without the patch...
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02:45:16Blue_Dude...and data aborts during track changes with the patch.
02:45:32Blue_Dudesaratoga: sorry, but it needs more work.
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07:19:47CIA-80New commit by jdgordon (r23661): copy the classic_statusbar and rockbox_none .sbs's to .rsbs's also so remote displays can use them
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08:25:51JdGordonkkurbjun: care to try out a patch with your .sbs theme?
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08:42:55JdGordonmorning kugel
08:43:09JdGordontoo early to argu^H^H^Hdiscuss?
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08:46:08kugelyea, but I'm busy listening to the lecturer too
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09:18:16JdGordonplease test out FS #10709... I'd like to have it commited in the next day or two....
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09:28:28ProtIts nice to have an nsf player, but its so hard to skip to next song without skipping too far or not at all
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10:18:30AlexPsaratoga: My clip was still going fine when I left for work this morning (2 hours ago) so has been playing for ~14 hours without issue. I'll have a look if it still is tonight when I get home
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11:29:09peturLinusN: gevaerts is coming to Stockholm in two weeks. Could you give him my h120 + BDM wiggler so I can fix it? Unless you find time to fix it yourself by then. I can mail back the wiggler afterwards
11:30:01peturare there instructions in the wiki?
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11:32:21LinusNpetur: nope, you have to use a special program i wrote...
11:32:39LinusNi better just do it and send you the player, i feel terrible for taking so long
11:32:58peturthat would be great
11:33:54peturI understand what real life can do to your spare time occupations, no worries there
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11:39:47[IDC]Dragonconnection test... hello Rockbox world
11:40:27*petur waves
11:40:50[IDC]Dragonhey, everybody seems still around
11:41:11peturlots of new people too
11:41:46[IDC]Dragonwhich is always good, so you don't have to rely on people like me ;-)
11:42:03peturor me...
11:42:16[IDC]DragonI'm still living in the past, with SH targets, if at all
11:42:46[IDC]DragonI've un-dusted my Ondio and try to make it speak
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11:43:03[IDC]Dragonwhich doesn't work
11:43:16[IDC]Dragonhas this been tested "recently"?
11:43:27gevaerts*three* ondio users!
11:43:34[IDC]Dragonor is nobody using that any more=
11:44:08*Torne ponders committing the workaround for FS #10107 (ipods failing to boot)
11:44:13peturpixelma probably...
11:44:27[IDC]DragonI thought about her, too
11:44:38Torneif i was gonna try and poll users to see who has this problem where should i stick it in the forums? :)
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11:47:05gevaerts[IDC]Dragon: people still use voice on archos, so it really should work
11:49:14[IDC]DragonI've tried 3.4 and current
11:55:22pixelma[IDC]Dragon: probably the provided voice files are too big, otherwise voice still works on my Ondio
11:55:57pixelmaeven with the bigger backlight mod build ;)
11:56:08[IDC]Dragonso, where to get a suitable file?
11:56:23[IDC]Dragonyes, I just compiled for backlight, too ;-)
11:56:36[IDC]Dragonbut first I used plain vanilla v3.4
11:56:55pixelmamade my own, or by amiconn (he has the better voices for German and English)
11:57:26[IDC]Dragonwould you have a file at hand?
11:57:59pixelmayou could also try lowering RAM usage, I think at least the default setting for "files in folder" is quite high and RAM hungry
11:58:10[IDC]Dragongood idea
11:58:26*[IDC]Dragon starts to remember rockbox
11:58:35[IDC]Dragonafk, lunch
11:58:47pixelmasame here ;)
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12:42:09TorneDoes look reasonable for soliciting information from users? :)
12:44:12gevaertsTorne: you're acknowledging custom builds there! That's Not Done! :0
12:44:20Tornebah :)
12:44:27Tornei need data
12:44:39Torneit's not our bug, after all ;)
12:45:10gevaertsI know :)
12:45:24Tornehm, i should probably sticky it?
12:45:44gevaertssounds like a good idea
12:47:49Torneok. well, depending how the response to that goes I think we should stick the workaround in 10107 in.
12:48:08Tornethere's no sign that we're going to discover an actual fix any time soon
12:48:32Torneand the people who have tried the workaround havne't had any particular negative effects other than the minor cosmetic issue of it flashing to the low battery screen on shutdown
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12:55:19[IDC]DragonPixelma: You were right, voice works after reducing the limits a lot, Playlist size to minimum, file brower the 2nd smallest setting
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13:15:03pixelma[IDC]Dragon: nice. And welcome by the way :)
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13:20:52[IDC]DragonI'm afraid it's just a stopover
13:21:02peturboooo ;)
13:21:05[IDC]Dragontoo many other projects, still
13:22:48[IDC]Dragonbut feel free to summarize me the last ~4 years of rockbox, I'm wondering about how you do
13:24:00[IDC]Dragonno Rockbox for my iPhone?
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14:10:42wodzhello - I'am working on porting rockbox to MPIO HD200. The device has swapped ATA bytes. ata.c has ifdefs to accomodate this but how should I proceed with ata-target.h? No other coldfire based player swaps bytes
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14:18:00funmanwodz: just #define SWAP_WORDS in your ata-target.h, isn't it enough ?
14:19:21wodzthe problem is that other devices like iriver 1x0, iaudio x5 do not use swapped ata bus but include the same ata-target.h
14:19:57wodzconstants are different also (because of byte swap)
14:20:34markunwodz: can't you put an ata-target.h in the MPIO target tree folder?
14:20:52funman*-target.h files are included from target specific directory first
14:21:07wodzthats the point
14:21:45funmanso if you have coldfire/blabla/ata-target.h , coldfire/ata-target.h won't get included
14:22:00wodzI see
14:22:39wodzok thanks - this was not obvious from docs for developers
14:23:43funmanthe docs can be incomplete so if you have doubts you should ask here
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14:25:57wodzwhat is the purpose of READ_PATTERNx and READ_PATTERN_MASKx defined in ata-target.h?
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14:27:43funmanwodz: grep tells me they are used in firmware/drivers/ata.c
14:27:54wodzI know
14:28:30wodzbut maby I can get quick answer without digging in ata.c
14:30:53Bob_CI think they are used to check that a disk is actually present on the bus
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14:59:20LloreanTorne: Why shouldn't users vote if they have 10107?
14:59:39LloreanIf they vote "no" it doesn't change the tally. If they vote "Yes" they should still at least comment that 10107 doesn't fix it for everyon.
15:00:03LloreanAt least if the idea of the vote is just to get a map of which targets a "yes" is even possible on.
15:01:06Tornethat wasn't the only thing i wanted to know
15:01:13Tornebut yes, that was the main one :)
15:01:29Torneand i was assuming that if someone tried FS10107 and it didn't work they would've commented.
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15:02:15LloreanMight want to explicitly say "if you've used 10107 and it doesn't work, please comment" instead. People don't always do what you assume, so instructions can improve the odds. :)
15:02:39TorneTrue :)
15:02:47LloreanThe only time I've experienced the problem is when my battery has actually died mid-use, never when I've explicitly told it to shut down.
15:03:25LloreanI don't think that's a validly useful case though, since if the battery dies without successful shutdown the workaround won't apply either.
15:04:07TorneIndeed not
15:04:17Tornethough it depends what you mean by "died"
15:05:06LloreanWell, I also haven't used it for over a year, but I seem to recall it not getting to the automatic shutdown
15:05:21LloreanI don't think things were calibrated right for the low-battery shutdown to actually occur.
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15:07:19Tornein general i would guess it should autoshutdown, rather htan actually dying
15:07:50Tornei suspect the problem does come from the handling of the actually-dying case
15:08:11LloreanWell, some people seem to have the problem with they properly shut down their iPods too.
15:08:21LloreanThere's not much that can be done about handling the actually dying case.
15:08:34Tornebut i mean, the reason it *does* what it does is probably to stop the ipod from having the issue the Beast has
15:08:46Tornewhere when you let the battery run down, and hten plug in usb, it powers up and down repeatedly and never charges
15:09:01Tornebecause the disk spinup load is too much for the depleted battery.
15:09:02LloreanYeah, that's pretty irritating.
15:09:14TorneThe code in the apple bootrom is undoubtedly trying to avoid that
15:09:21Tornebut either it's buggy and is triggering when the battery isn't really dead
15:09:37Torneor we are doing *something*, though dreamlayers has taken a lot of guesses and none of them work, which is confusing it into thinking it is.
15:10:18LloreanDid we ever solve the "the iPod battery drains more while powered off by Rockbox than while 'sleeping' in the OF" issue?
15:10:30Tornei didn't know there was such an issue
15:10:48LloreanPeople report it from time to time.
15:10:53Tornethere is an issue where once we connect via usb we draw more power forever unti lrebooted, apparently
15:10:57Tornei've not had a chance to look into tha tone yet
15:11:05LloreanI've seen it myself on my Nano in the past, but I can't remember if it was ever solved.
15:11:39TorneMany/all of these things could well be related, of course :)
15:11:47TorneIf there's something we're not doing at shutdown that could explain a lot of different things
15:11:58LloreanOr if there's something we're only doing sometimes?
15:12:08LloreanShutdown isn't strictly linear is it, could a race mess things up?
15:12:11Tornebut fs#10107 has a big list of things dreamlayers has tried, none of which seem to make any difference
15:12:15TorneI have no idea how shutdown works, tbh
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15:13:25LloreanNor I.
15:13:45Tornei may look at some point. my todo list is rather long and i am taking stuff off it as the mood takes me, really :)
15:14:05LloreanWell, my personal preferences is more Beast improvements. :-P
15:15:02Tornei reverse more of that whenever i'm in the mood to do so, but i've not yet gotten to anything that can be used to actually make improvements, i'm afraid ;)
15:15:10TorneI did suggest that we investigate freq/voltage scaling on the beast, though
15:15:15Torneand someone might do that
15:15:20Torneprobably sooner htan I will get around to it
15:15:25Tornejust something i happened to notice in the datasheet.
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15:25:41webguest64My Rockbox is broke.
15:26:45webguest64It gives me yellow screen of death or YSOD?
15:28:08saratogawhat player?
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16:27:03BiontHello! Is there anything I can do to increase the line spacing in menus?
16:29:27evilnick_BBiont: To have more "whitespace" between lines?
16:30:46n1syou could hack up the font to include the space or hack up the drawing code
16:32:41BiontHm... :/
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16:45:15KerylosHi people. Any chance that Rockbox will run on an iPod nano 3G? I guess the system is encrypted, right? Is there any way around it?
16:45:51TorneThe security has been broken, but nobody has yet worked on a Rockbox port.
16:46:23KerylosAww, why noot?
16:46:39Tornebecause we all only work on what we want to work on. all developers are volunteers.
16:47:20TorneAlso, I suspect that some people are concentrating on getting Nano 2G to work stably for now :)
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16:52:19sacarascHi, I have an m4b (AAC) which doesn't play. When I try to play it, the error I get is just 'codec error'. is the output of mediainfo for the file.
16:53:09TorneHow long/large is it?
16:53:13Lloreansacarasc: Where does the m4b come from?
16:53:29LloreaniTunes ones may be encrypted
16:53:52Tornemediainfo suggests not, though.
16:53:57TorneIt's probably the length, I'm afraid.
16:53:59sacarascIt plays in MPlayer.
16:54:06TorneVery long AAC files don't work in rockbox
16:54:21Tornethe aac codec expects the seek index for the file to fit into ram, or something? I forget the details
16:54:40Tornebut none of my single-file audiobooks work either :)
16:55:00TorneIf you get an mp4 splitter and cut it up into shorter files, it should play
16:56:41TorneForums suggest that the limit depends on file layout a bit, but is likely to be 1.5-2 hours
16:57:18sacarascYeah, this one is just a tad bigger...
16:57:18LloreanTorne: Very long ones used to not give an error, so that's an improvement I guess. They used to just give a time of 0:00
16:57:33TorneLlorean: Well, I'm guessing a bit.
16:57:36Tornebut that seems the most likely cause
16:57:45Torneeven if something else is wrong then the file is not going to play anyway :)
16:58:01Torneit's 10h 26m :)
16:58:32Tornesacarasc: find a program that can split mp4 files up without decoding/reencoding and cut it into chunks of, say, 30min
16:58:39Torneand it will probably work fine.
17:00:45Torneif not, report back ;)
17:01:18n1ssome people have had luck with "optimizing" the file layout in fb2k, no idea what that does or if it will help in this case though
17:01:38Torneyes, that will help for some files, it rearranges the mp4 hunks a bit
17:01:50Tornebut even if they are arranged in the *best* possible way, the limit is probably 1.5-2 hours, as i said above
17:02:16n1swhy do we need that seek index thingy in memory anyway? what is it for?
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17:02:35n1sTorne: ah
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17:03:21Tornen1s: i don't know the details of how it works, i'm afraid
17:03:29Tornei'm just repeating things I have heard, and tested for myself ;)
17:03:52n1si think i've lost my aac file somewhere... :)
17:04:28Tornenothing I did to a nine hour m4a made it play on rockbox, even after optimising the relevant hunk was way too big
17:05:05Tornethere's some fixed size buffer in the codec that some part of the file has to fit in. forum posts suggest that this *could* be avoided in theory, but nobody has done it yet; it's probably awkward ;)
17:05:07saratogan1s: the seek index is at the start of the file
17:05:16saratogaso once you've parsed the metadata you no longer have access to it
17:05:43saratogaa better solution would be to resample the index for large files so that its less accurate, but mp4 is complicated and no one has figured out how to do that yet
17:06:05saratogaright now we just memcpy it whole into codec RAM
17:07:09Tornethere we go :)
17:07:17n1ssaratoga: but it's just needed for seeking?
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17:07:23TorneI suspected if i babbled vaguely for long enough someone would come and give the actual details
17:07:30saratogan1s: technically we use it for parsing as well
17:07:49saratogayou can parse packets without it, but lear suggested my hack to do that was unsafe on some files
17:08:00saratogai don't know enough about mp4 to say whats safe
17:08:35n1sok, so a seekless mode for really long files wouldn't work then
17:09:01saratogai wrote code to do that last year, it basically just assumes each new packet begins 1 byte after the end of the previous one
17:09:07saratogait worked for iTunes files but I don
17:09:12saratoga't know if thats valid in general
17:09:20saratogaof course you couldn't seek at all
17:11:10saratogawhats our mp3 encoder based on? Shine?
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17:12:09n1shmm, this bug is rather bad...
17:13:18Blue_Dudesaratoga: I got reproduceable data aborts running v2 patch on my e200.
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17:13:29saratogaBlue_Dude: yes it doesn't work at all
17:13:45saratogathe indexes are wrong so it crashes as soon as it tries to move a handle
17:13:56Blue_DudeOK. I'm sorry it didn't work out.
17:14:16saratogai'll fix it before we commit the main patch
17:14:39Blue_DudeI'll be happy to test again once a new version is outl.
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17:15:07saratogatest the v1a patch
17:15:17saratogathats the one thats going to be commited once we're sure it works in all cases
17:15:33Blue_DudeOK. brb
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17:24:04Blue_DudeApplying v1a to r23662. Here we go...
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17:32:07BiontRegarding my question about the line spacing: Hacking the font file worked fine, thanks for the tip. I
17:32:35BiontI'm surprised I was was able to do it since I never used a hex editor before :)
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18:28:56dudacgfhow can i help developing port to fuze v2?
18:30:37Tornewhat can you do? :)
18:30:44CIA-80New commit by nls (r23664): Unify fourcc macro and some style changes
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18:33:13dudacgfI'm a system admin with some experience in assembler (old ibm 370, but...). Apart from bricking it or opening the case (I'm not an engenier)...
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18:33:40dudacgfI am willing to help in building, testing or anything else
18:34:10Tornewell, clipv2/fuzev2 haven't gotten very far yet..
18:37:00Torne is the most recent reference I can find to fuzev2
18:37:05Tornewhich was some time ago.
18:37:15Tornefunman is working on clipv2..
18:37:16dudacgfYes, I know. I've been reading the v2 thread for the last 24 hours and only found that too.
18:38:08dudacgfHow can I create a bootloader to test delay?
18:38:14Torne is clipv2 support. I don't know where the fuzev2 code might be.
18:39:50Torneaqha, it's probably here:
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18:40:22dudacgfThanks, Torne, I'll give a look and try to merge it...
18:40:29TorneThat's a full branch of the tree
18:40:34Torneit's also not been updated since june
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18:41:07Torneyou should probably try and talk to ecrips
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18:41:34dudacgfOh, I see. How can I reach him? via forum?
18:41:51Tornedon't know, i'm afraid.
18:43:00dudacgfthanks. well, back to work.
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18:49:49hillshumgevaerts: N900?
18:50:06gevaertshillshum: sorry, not a supported target :)
18:50:53hillshumgevaerts: Is there any work? When should it be done? Can I try some other one to see if it will work?
18:51:35AlexPsaratoga: My clip has been going for 24 hours now with no issues
18:51:56LloreanAlexP: Excellent news
18:53:37hillshumsaratoga: I've not had any issues with mine either, running some build (sorry, don't know what it is exactly) Do you want me to test anything?
18:54:06AlexPsaratoga: This is with v1 of the patch
18:55:10saratogayeah i think the v1 patch is completely stable
18:55:22saratogai just dislike that it copies the buffer in a very slow for loop
18:55:53hillshumDoes it kill battery?
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19:19:48JdGordonplease test out FS #10709... I'd like to have it commited in the next day or two....
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19:36:10JdGordon... that patch is to remove the current inbuilt statusbar... so it could have finiky bugs which havnt been found...
19:39:37JdGordonumm... the default settings in that patch is to not load any sbs, so to test the classic_statusbar you need to load it manualy from the settings
19:40:14pixelmaspeaking of which. I noticed a bug in SVN with a custom sbs that has the %Vi set correctly but no custom viewport in the cfg - when leaving mpegplayer the lists (file browser and menu) use the full screen and the custom statusbar is drawn over it, you can see it through currently empty spots
19:40:54pixelmathe latter it refers to the list...
19:41:54JdGordonthats not speaking of which :)
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19:42:19pixelmaok, but "which" reminded me of it ;)
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19:42:57JdGordonI'm not too worried about plugin wierdness untill the core is fixed up
19:43:02JdGordonfile a bug for it thuogh :)
19:43:06JdGordonand test that patch :)
19:43:38gevaertsJdGordon: shouldn't the core make sure it survives non-fixed plugins?
19:43:38pixelmaand it's not weirdness in the plugin itself, it's when you return from it
19:44:19JdGordonwell yes
19:44:45JdGordonbut If its what I think it is, then the problem will be fixed after this patch is commited anyway (well, a patch that comes after this one)
19:45:55pixelmaa bit more precision: the problem seems to only exist in the filebrowser going into the main menu fixes the situation
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21:50:43saratogais it just me or is it not possible to search for two words on the wiki
21:51:00saratogafor instance, typing "ipod" searches, but typing "ipod test" (no quotes) simply refreshes the page
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21:57:36n1ssaratoga: google should work: two words
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22:05:40n1ssaratoga: using two words in the searchbox on the frontpage works for me
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22:16:06pamaurygevaerts: ping
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22:19:15gevaertspamaury: pong
22:20:40pamaurygevaerts: did you read the os descriptors doc ? I think I will try today or tomorrow to implement some thing but I would like to discuss the details before.
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22:22:15gevaertsI didn't read the doc in detail, but I think I know enough about them to discuss things
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22:24:18pamaurySo based on what you proposed, I thought we could to add a field to the usb driver structure (say get_ms_descriptors) and implement the 0xee string descriptor logic in usb_core. In would also be the responsability of usb_core to forward the get_ms_descriptors. We could pick a random value for GET_MS_DESCRIPTORS which does not overlap the used one
22:24:32pamaury(anyway it's a device request and there are only a few of them)
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22:26:45gevaertsI think I'd implement get_ms_descriptors() a bit like get_config_descriptor(), i.e. let usb_core handle all actual usb transactions
22:29:31pamauryyes it's probably a good idea.
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22:31:02pamauryIn a first time I will only implement the compat IDs and check if it's sufficient.
22:31:35gevaertsso there'd be the 0xee magic, and the GET_MS_DESCRIPTOR handler that either handles things in usb_core (for the device-level ones) or asks a class driver for info
22:31:53JdGordon|froggyman: whats 10623?
22:32:06froggymanFS #10623
22:32:11JdGordon|which is?
22:32:30froggymanFS #10623 - Improved accessory support and detection for Ipod
22:32:53JdGordon|because he's been offered commit access... but hasnt responded yet...
22:33:19froggymanthen why doesnt someone else commit it?
22:33:51JdGordon|because noone has got around to it
22:34:31froggymanok, makes sense
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22:37:40hillshumAnyone know which Clip buffering patch I should test?
22:38:24JdGordon|the working one :p
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22:39:46pamaurygevaerts: should In enclose that in #ifdef ?
22:41:17domonoky1JdGordon|: does checkwps and the theme site work with sbs files ?
22:42:28gevaertspamaury: I suppose so.
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22:44:48perfectdrughi, is it just not implemented or has the mini2440 no RTC
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22:44:58pamaurygevaerts: constants go in usb_ch9.h or should it stay it usb_core.c ?
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22:45:40domonoky1perfectdrug: mini2440 should have RTC, i think i have enabled it in svn a bit ago.
22:45:47gevaertspamaury: like GET_MS_DESCRIPTOR? Not sure. It's not USB chapter 9...
22:46:16pamauryusb otg is not USB chapter 9, yes ? :)
22:46:30perfectdrugdomonoky1: thanks maybe my simulator is not up to date
22:47:11JdGordon|domonoky1: checkwps probably does... theme site no clue
22:47:16domonoky1perfectdrug: dont know if the sim keeps the time. but my mini2440 does. i just bootet it, and it still shows the correct time :-)
22:48:35saratogaJdGordon: he responded to the list
22:48:42saratogai think hes just waiting for an SVN account
22:49:07JdGordon|I didnt see his reply..? oh well.
22:49:15perfectdrugdomonoky1: cool, I'm thinking about purchasing one for christmas too, and I think it lacks a usable touchscreen wps so I'm porting fidelity right now;)
22:49:23saratogaif needed i can forward it
22:49:54pixelmahillshum: the 1a I think
22:49:58domonoky1perfectdrug: it also lacks more work.. :-) so only do this if you are prepared to help improve that port a bit :-)
22:50:17JdGordon|domonoky1: it wouldnt surprise me if the sbs's arent run through checkwps on the theme site, but they should be accepted anyway though
22:51:30domonoky1JdGordon|: if it accepts them, thats fine for a first step. But we surely should improve the theme site to also check the .sbs and maybe other future skin files
22:51:37perfectdrugdomonoky1: thats all improvement I can offer right now. maybe I'm waiting a little longer until more work is done for it.
22:52:45gevaertspamaury: otg is not chapter 9, no :) Anyway, maybe the MS_DESCRIPTOR defines and data structures should go in usb_ch9.h after all. That's where they'd be if they would be part of the official usb spec
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22:53:11perfectdrugI wonder if Bob_C has written down how to attach buttons through GPIO
22:53:47pamaurygevaerts: ok I'll put them it ch9, anyway it can be changed later
22:54:05gevaertsexactly. Just make sure there's a comment that says where they are specified
22:54:58JdGordon|domonoky1: sure :) go ahead :)
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23:09:15domonoky1JdGordon|: shouldnt be hard. but i cant test this :-/
23:09:49domonoky1JdGordon|: should we enforce the same name for sbs as wps/cfg for themes ?
23:11:01LloreanWhy not?
23:11:11domonoky1should more then one sbs in a theme package be allowed ?
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23:15:31JdGordon|Llorean: why should we?
23:15:39JdGordon|domonoky1: no i dont tinhk so
23:15:51JdGordon|umm.. well
23:16:33LloreanJdGordon|: To make organization more consistent - the user will always know that an sbs will share the same name as the theme.
23:16:50LloreanWhat reason is there to need them to have different names, other than to allow them to accidentally overwrite the files of another theme.
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23:17:12JdGordon|that sounds like a pointless arbitrary check... why shuoldnt I be able to package someone elses .sbs with my theme?
23:17:25LloreanJdGordon|: You should be able to. Just rename it to your theme name.
23:17:27domonoky1FS #10794 (untested) :-)
23:17:35LloreanIt creates duplication, but it prevents accidental conflicts.
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23:18:40JdGordon|I disagree
23:18:57LloreanYou disagree that it prevents accidental conflicts?
23:19:05LloreanOr you disagree that it creates duplication.
23:19:09LloreanBoth of those seem fairly objective statements.
23:19:13LloreanOr do you just disagree on principle?
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23:20:22dewdudehi..guys. i'm trying to do a dual-boot install of Rockbox on a Gigabeat S. I ran beastpatcher -d NK.bin...the thing says it's sending firmware...but the unit boots right back up in to the default firmware OS. do I need to perform single-boot first to install rockbox then dual-boot...or is there a step I'm missing that's not in the manual
23:20:29JdGordon|I disagree on principle
23:20:33*domonoky1 just opted for checking it on the theme site. users can still mix, but theme should enforce a neat package.
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23:25:27gevaertsdewdude: I think that's all you should have to do. It's been ages since I installed on my beast though, and that was in the pre-beastpatcher days, so I'm not entirely sure
23:26:31dewdudeyeah...well, like i said...i tried dual-boot..and it says it installed..but it like...doesn't go in to the just jumps right to original firmware. if i try a single boot install...beastpatcher just kind of sits there.
23:27:28dewdudei'll sit here and play with it
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23:31:21dewdudegevaerts, you happen to have a link to the pre-beastpatcher install method...i get the feeling it just doesn't work on windows
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23:32:33marek_hi, anybody knows how to enable windows boot in gigabeat S dual boot installation? i can see windows logo, but i dont know what button to press to load into windows
23:33:12gevaertsdewdude: has the old way.
23:33:27gevaertsmarek_: the manual usually has that info, in the quick start section
23:34:13JdGordon|domonoky1: oh, rockbox_none.[r]sbs is a "valid" and shipped sbs which the theme site needs to handle
23:34:15dewdudegevaerts, thanks...i'll take a look at that and see what i come up with. beastpatcher has been sitting here for....5 minutes now trying to do single boot and just isn't doing anything.
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23:35:21domonoky1JdGordon|: really ? what does this do ?
23:35:24Utchybannping linuxstb, TheSeven
23:35:29JdGordon|have a guess :)
23:35:48JdGordon|it wont display any bar
23:35:54domonoky1but would you get the same effect with just setting the sps config value to empty ?
23:36:13JdGordon|if thats accepted by the theme site
23:36:23Utchybannis it possible to use USEC_TIMER directly with logf ?
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23:37:39domonoky1JdGordon|: the theme site doesnt check the content, and my patch would allow 0..1 [r]sbs files
23:38:20JdGordon|I'm at work so cant check the patch... it just makes sure its there if its specified in the .cfg?
23:38:28JdGordon|it doesnt pass it through checkwps?
23:39:27domonoky1no it just passes all files whitch ends with {wps,sbs} through checkwps
23:39:47JdGordon|ah ok
23:40:23domonoky1so it wont find a wrong .cfg file at moment..
23:41:54domonoky1there is even a prepared function to check things in the config, but thats empty at moment..
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23:43:04marek_gevaerts - i dont understand that site, it is about loading code from windows? i use linux i just want to know how to run windows from bootloader :)
23:44:12gevaertsmarek_: I pointed you to the manual. That wiki link was for dewdude :)
23:46:58pamaurygevaerts: I've coded some preliminary support for OS descriptors (mainly it respond to the magic string request) and coded some horrible hack directly in usb_core.c for GET_MS_DESCRIPTOR and it seems to work: libmtp correctly detect my device as an MTP player (with a warning). I'll try to check tomorrow with Windows and commit the code to github when it'll be finished
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