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#rockbox log for 2009-11-23

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00:03:36darkhamwhere i can whatch the steps of fuze's develop?
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00:05:17*kugel is impressed that he can get a 250% speedup on the fuze
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00:05:55saratogadarkham: SVN logs, or this channel
00:06:39darkhamkugel: how?
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00:08:01darkhamsaratoga: i'm using rockbox, from august on a fuze v1 and i can't talk about it bad...
00:08:11darkhami never had a crash
00:08:33darkhamand battery life isn't bad (i hear only flac files...)
00:09:01darkhami look sometimes video errors, for 1-2 seconds max
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00:24:23bobrulesHello everyone, the pitch detector is not working for me
00:24:27bobrulesis somethign wrong?
00:26:31darkham;revision=23366 , what about fuze v2 version?
00:31:02darkhamwhat rockbox do if i link an ipod to a car stereo with remote controller?
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00:38:14liaris there a specific reason why HAVE_MULTIVOLUME is disabled for the ipod video?
00:39:13JdGordonbecause it doesnt have it
00:41:42liarits just because i have multiple partitions on my ipod video(because there are bad sectors in between) so its not disabled because of a bug or something?
00:42:41gevaertsbug? are you trying to insinuate something? :)
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00:44:52JdGordonno, its disabled, because most people dont need it
00:44:57liarno never ;)
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00:56:13Topy44liar: the proper way of doing that is marking them as bad but keeping it a single partition, done that myself on several players
00:56:46Topy44its a bit of a mess to do though, on the first one i ended up doing it by hand, editing the FAT with a hexeditor - not exactly for the squeamish :)
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00:59:49liarwhich tool did you use? i tried to do that with mkfs.vfat -c but that seemed to never finish
01:02:23liarTopy44: and hand editing would take to long i think, there are thousands of bad sectors
01:03:16Topy44well, in my case it was "somewhere near the center", i just used some tool to find the first broken sector and then marked like 1gb or so after that
01:03:21Topy44to be sure to get them all
01:03:27Topy44then scan it again to be sure i didnt miss any
01:03:44Topy44that player is still in use with its original hd btw
01:05:05Topy44i cant remember exactly what my workflow was, but it involved connecting the disk directly to the computer through an adapter, dumping the FAT to a file, editing it, and writing it back to the hd, then copying it to the backup fat with some other tool
01:05:19Topy44(its been about 4 years ago)
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01:10:04liar4 years and the hd is still working, nice..., but i think i wont waste to much time on this player as there are ~15GB damaged
01:10:35Topy44oh ic
01:10:45Topy44that hd will die soon anyway then
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01:13:02liaryeah i think so, but its the player of a classmate and he asked me to repair it..
01:13:48liarcan anybody have a look at this: (usbtrace) and help me to find out whats going wrong with usb on my nano2g?
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01:19:24CIA-80New commit by Blue_Dude (r23717): Prettify debug menu for logf
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01:40:40pixelmaJdGordon: (logs) for testing purposes I made an and wanted to look at it in an M5 sim. After make install setting fails and I see that the wrong file was packageed (the one without annex in the filename). The other fun thing about that is the error output "conditional end" for a line that's completely unrelated and unchanged from the file that worrked on colour displays
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01:49:52pixelmaJdGordon: I meant that I created that file in the source's wps folder in the hope buildzip would pick the right one to package. Other than that I got it working as close as currently possible on colour targets, missing thing is USB power and I possibly need different files for flash targets (most interesting here is the 128x64x1 display because on the Iriver remotes that would probably need the disk icon but the Clip etc. use it tii
01:50:31pixelma and the lag of the volume display during volume change is really annoying, it even looks like it's skipping numbers
01:53:06kugelit is, but we can fix that easily
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02:35:30JdGordonpixelma: buildzip is very stupid in this area
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02:35:45JdGordonto do it properly you need to use buildwps... but thats alot of effort :p
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02:39:52JdGordonpixelma: the usb power token was added, so you should be able to do that now
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05:22:14CIA-80New commit by FlynDice (r23718): AMS Sansa: Handle responses to SD Commands so that response crc checking is accounted for. Adjust sd error codes appropriately. ...
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05:28:43saratogaFlynDice: ping
05:29:27saratogahave you had any time to look at adjusting the main clock to 31 MHz?
05:29:34saratogai remember you said you could make me a patch to test that
05:31:10FlynDiceHere's the deal right now, I can run both cards at 31 MHz right now. It plays just fine but if I try to copy from 1 disk to another it fails.
05:31:49FlynDiceI can sort of run the internal at 15 MHz but it's very iffy
05:32:04saratogawhat clock is the internal driven off of again?
05:33:55FlynDicegood question, I can make a case for clk_IDE and I can make a case against that and for PCLK, just not sure yet...
05:35:38FlynDiceyou can change line 304 in ata_sd_as3525.c to MCI_CLOCK(drive) = (MCI_CLOCK(drive) & 0xf00) | (your divider here..); to try different speeds. divider is 1/2(div+1)
05:36:47saratogaFlynDice: what i'm most interested in is trying to reduce the normal clock to 31 MHz and then seeing if I can run the SDRAM at 62 MHz
05:36:48FlynDiceso a div of 0 gives you 1/2 mclk speed. you decide what you think mclk is....
05:37:04saratogabut i suppose that will reduce the sd clock on it own
05:37:44FlynDicejust use MCI_CLOCK(drive) = (MCI_CLOCK(drive) & 0xf00) and that will give you mclk/2
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05:38:28AlexCHello, i'm getting the error "Can't load rockbox.ipod: read failed (image)" on my ipod video 30GB in the bootloader
05:38:55saratogado you have that file on your ipod?
05:39:07FlynDicegtg be around later
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05:43:48AlexCin the right place
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05:47:03saratogahopefully you mean "/.rockbox/rockbox.ipod"?
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06:00:49AlexCwhere / is /media/ipod/
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07:06:07pixelmaI didn't see the USB powered token... hiding behind the recording channels fix commit
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07:11:43JdGordonI snuck it in there :)
07:12:31JdGordonI've got a naughty trick to clear the whole viewport so there is no left over pixels from the previous screen.... add a viewport 8high and full width that is just an empty line at the very start of the sbs
07:12:51JdGordonit will only get cleared/drawn if a full redraw happens which is whats wanted
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07:17:21pixelmais that the "fix" for the mess you can currently see after e.g. leaving most plugins?
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07:19:52pixelmaI mean that the list is drawn full screen and a custom sbs over it (maybe "only" if you specify %Vi and not a custom viewport through the config files
07:26:18pixelmaJdGordon: you mean if I want to use different files (for different screens), I need to add the appropriate lines to WPSLIST?
07:26:52pixelmaand any chance on ".grey"?
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07:43:05pixelmaand it looks like I'll need need 8 additional file for the flash vs. HD symbol on disk activity; 3 with the target name and 2 made specifically for the Iriver remotes (similar to Icatcher for use with the main displays) :\
07:44:42pixelmajust the resulution would do for the other 3 currently (screen sizes that only exist on flash based targets - Nano, c200 and e200)
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07:46:52JdGordonpixelma: no, the exiting plugins is fixed with a different band aid in 10709... I can probably do the same fix in svn.. but i dont like it
07:47:04*pixelma stops talking to herself with the thought of "other things have been done for portability too"
07:47:06JdGordonI can add the .grey thing to buildzip if you want
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07:47:36pixelmawould be nice
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07:47:55JdGordonactually.. we have multi-storage so there is no reason to not add a tag for "storage type"... although I really dont tihnk the icon is important
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07:52:04JdGordonand its starting to look like there are enough alternatives for to just go ahead and use WPSLIST instead of the buildzip hack...
07:53:01CIA-80New commit by jdgordon (r23719): use on grey targets
07:53:09JdGordonthere you go
07:53:20JdGordoncommit the .grey soonish incase that rbeak the .zips
07:57:14CIA-80New commit by jdgordon (r23720): crappy band-aid fix for statusbar being screwed after leaving plugins...
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08:06:50CIA-80New commit by jdgordon (r23721): wtf perl? 2 extra chars would kill you? seriously?
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08:08:05pixelmaJdGordon: thanks for the .grey
08:08:27*JdGordon is happy to do anything he can to get 10709 in :p
08:09:33pixelmaabout the flash vs. hd symbol: the other way I could imagine would leave an acceptable amount of .sbs files is if buildzip could take care of that but what will it do if you have to combine things then like .mono.flash?
08:10:13JdGordonis the different icon really nessecary?
08:11:22pixelmaI would want it (but then I was one of the flash icon creators) :\
08:11:58JdGordonbut is the added hassle worth it?
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08:28:21JdGordonB4gder: can you kick the build server? I apparently broke it
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08:50:07pixelmathe problem with having that many sbs files in the code that actually contain the same code is if someone wants to change something because that would mean applying the same changes to a few files :/
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09:01:59amiconnpixelma: As for the activity icon, shouldn't it be sufficient to package a different bmp file and use the same .sbs?
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09:09:21pixelmawould be nice but how do you make the packaging system pick a different file?
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09:10:35pixelmaas far as I understood it currently looks into the .wps or .sbs which bitmaps are referenced and packages those
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09:26:22pixelmaamiconn: if you can make that work... ;)
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09:32:36*Jake noticed that rockbox supported his Sansa c240. This made him dig it out, take it apart, and solder the headphone jack bakc on (the solder join was somehow broken...) He's been playing that tetris game for like an hour now...
09:33:06Jakeand the color settings...
09:33:14Jakeit's like the first time I used windows 95...
09:33:21Bagderbut you know, it isn't "tetris" (*look* over the shoulder scared of lawsuits)
09:33:38Jakeyeah I know, but I can't remember the real name
09:34:09JakeIf only this player had better battery life... I seem to remember it dying in the middle of audio books.
09:34:15JakeI've not used it forever
09:34:24Jakethe Sansa Clip is much easier to run.
09:34:40Jakeand I read somewhere that it will soon be supported,,,
09:34:50linuxstbIt now is.
09:34:59Bagderthe v1 at least
09:35:08JakeI think that's the one I have.
09:35:12JakeI'd have to check
09:35:34Jakegot it last year I think, it's a 1GB version.
09:36:55Jakewtf.. when did it become 2:3AM...
09:37:09JakeI started playing with this thing at 11:00PM....
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10:41:07kugelJdGordon: why doesn't the mechanism in plugin.c work anymore?
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10:41:52kugelI've had no problems so far after leaving plugins so far (using a theme with sbs and ui vp)
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11:03:19pixelmathere is a problem if you don't specify a ui vp (even if you have %Vi in your sbs
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11:12:16topiksome of those theme related commit discriptions sound increasingly frustrated
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11:24:23pixelmakugel: the fun thing about that is, that the list/statusbar *sometimes* fixes itself in the menu
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12:44:59vashitnare there any news for rockbox on gogear hdd 63XX
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15:15:48UbuntuxerI would like to start a discussion about how to prevent that plugins becomes unusable with certain backdrops. I opened a bug report FS #10797 but mcuelenaere recommended to ask on the IRC.
15:19:08Zagoryeah, perhaps plugins that don't adhere to the theme should use a special backdrop
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15:21:35gevaertsIf plugins use the normal backdrop, they should take the UI viewport into account as well as using the theme-specified colours. If not, yes, a clear backrop is probably best
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15:26:06UbuntuxerDo you mean with clear backdrop: 'rb->lcd_set_backdrop(NULL); ?
15:26:41gevaertsI mean a non-picture one, I don't know how you do that in a plugin :)
15:28:51UbuntuxerI would favour a inconspicious background image, because a black or white screen doesn't looks good
15:30:17gevaertsI don't think you actually can. Text colour is configurable, so you can't have a generic background
15:30:47gevaertsThe only thing you can do is set it to the configured background colour
15:31:25gevaertsor adapt the plugin to use the UI viewport properly, but I have no idea how to do that and/or how complex it is
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15:33:02Ubuntuxeryes that's right, it isn't such easy
15:33:27Ubuntuxeri will have a look on the ui viewport
15:33:50shaiHi :) I noticed, that everytime I'm in the car listening to music, and I disconnect the iPod 30G (5th gen), while its playing, and I then try to disconnect it, it'll jump to the main window and will not move away from it nor allow me to turn off the device. Only a HR will reset the iPod. More to that is, that while it is in that situation (which it is right now, while I write this), the device won't even go on sleep or turn off the monitor.
15:33:59shaiAny ideas?
15:34:30shaiThe 2nd "disconnect" was meant to say "shut it down".
15:34:56shaiIts right now stuck in that screen... if anyone wants to give me pointers or get more info.
15:35:15shaithe only thing that works is the Hold button and the scroll in the main window.
15:36:01gevaertsshai: what sort of car connection do you use? Line-out+power, or MSC?
15:36:19shaiI'm not familiar with these connection you speak of...
15:36:20gevaertsOr the accessory protocol?
15:36:36shaiAll I know is that it is connected to the car stereo from behind ...
15:37:00shaiand also, that it is a connection that connects to the bottom of the iPod.
15:37:41shaiIt gives me control from the car's stereo and the steering wheel.
15:38:10shaiWhen I bought it and then they hooked it up, they told me this is an iPod adapter.
15:38:52shaiI have two cables to connect. One is to the buttom (a wide connector) and another to the head-phones.
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15:39:23shaiI don't use the latter, due to the lack of functionality... it is good if people just bring on their disk-on-keys or phones...
15:40:02shaigevaerts, so if there is anything you want me to do, while the iPod is in this state (it is right now), let me know.
15:40:30shaiThis DOES NOT happen if first stop the music and go the main menu BEFORE I disconnect it from the adapter.
15:40:44gevaertsI can't really think of anything. I suspect a bug in the accessory protocol implementation...
15:40:59gevaertsCan you submit a bug report, including all information you gave here?
15:41:22shaiLet me find where to do that...
15:42:15shaigevaerts, on Flyspary?
15:42:26shaiOk ...
15:42:32shaiAnd what I provided above is enough?
15:42:46shaiI might be able to later call that place and ask them the adapter details... if that would help.
15:43:00shaiI expect it won't be something "formal" and well-known ... but might help ...
15:43:54gevaertsyou can always add information later. It's not my area, so I have no idea what more information to ask for
15:46:01shaiCan I just copy paste our conversation?
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15:48:39gevaertsI'd edit it a bit. No need for the 'The 2nd "disconnect" was meant to say "shut it down"' style lines :)
15:49:19shaiOf course :)
15:49:45shaiBut basically, I want to show that we (you and I) talked and that you already asked me some questions that others might ask ...
15:54:37krazykitso add the relevant information about the questions asked or link to this part of the irc conversation
15:55:38shaiAnd should this be under the "Drivers" catagory?
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16:07:40shaigevaerts, This is what I came up with:
16:07:49shaiI hope that's good enough.
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16:18:47pondlifeTiny wee statusbar oddity - after changing the volume in the WPS with no statusbar displayed, the volume is intiially displayed as a numeric when displayed, rather than the expected bitmap
16:19:08pondlifeI guess this is a bug, anyone want to convince me otherwise before I log it
16:19:21pondlife(This is on a sim, btw.)
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16:36:00pixelmapondlife: I saw refreshing problems with the built-in statusbar in the sim too (in the WPS, using the old default and the built-in statusbar). I just wasn't sure if it is worth reporting because the plan is to remove it
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16:36:48*pixelma still wonders how the early USB statusbar will look (and work) then
16:36:49pondlifepixelma: Isn't this now using the skinned code?
16:37:01pixelmano, not yet
16:37:03pondlifeAh, ok
16:37:49pondlifeOk - it's very very minor, so I won't bother if it's a work-in-progress.
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17:35:50Unhelpfulall AAC flavors are handled by the same codec, right? it might make sense to build aac with -O3 on beast, which makes aac-he about 2% faster, at a cost of <.2% speed for non-he
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17:42:54linuxstbUnhelpful: Yes, they're handled by the same codec, but that could be changed if necessary (0.2% for something that's far faster than realtime doesn't seem to make it necessary though...)
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17:56:36Unhelpfulnot that there's much aac-he around, i think :)
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17:59:55Unhelpfulhrm, there's probably no chance of finding an spc testfile that's redistributable, short of authoring one ourselves...
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18:25:45Unhelpfuln1s: i think something's gone wrong. i re-benchmarked with your patch and have worse times on everything but aac-he... and aac-he isn't all that much faster.
18:25:58mhe67This is regarding a sansa e260.
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18:26:43mhe67e200tool# ./e200tool recover BL_SD_BOARDSUPPORTSD.ROM
18:27:02mhe67Searching for device 6666:e200 ... 9 8 found!
18:27:02mhe67Write at 0x106463e9
18:27:02mhe67Control message (-71, Protocol error)
18:27:35mhe67any idea?
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18:32:12gevaertsmhe67: maybe hardware problems?
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18:32:59mhe67ya, it is in a non working mode
18:33:22mhe67Bus 002 Device 019: ID 0781:0720 SanDisk Corp. Sansa C200 series in recovery mode
18:34:05mhe67But it is a e200 not c200. And I don't think it is in a proper recovery mode.
18:34:15gevaertsdoes it maybe have this loose flash board issue?
18:34:19mhe67Since I can not see that 16 MB partition
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18:34:52mhe67What is this loose flash board issue?
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18:43:07gevaertsmhe67: I don't seem to be able to find a clear description. Anyway, if you remove the back cover (four screws), there should be some sort of rubber rectangle. Below that is the flash daughterboard, which sometimes comes a bit loose. Just push the black rectangle
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18:44:58hepubgevaerts: lol, lol, you are so right!!!!
18:45:12hepubpush that rubber rectangle, everything works, lol
18:45:52gevaertsit seems to be a rather common problem
18:48:39*Unhelpful grumbles about manufacturers that can't manage to secure the storage device connections well
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18:56:00mrbob123just something to ask about sansa e250 with rockbox, can I use 2gb sd card or larger with the software
18:56:21salty-horsemrbob123, yes
18:56:43salty-horseit supports high-capacity micro-sd cards
18:56:59mrbob123ok thankyou
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19:03:50Unhelpfulhrm, dircache turns itself off on boot?
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19:15:10hepubgev: "rubber rectangle. Below that is the flash daughterboard, which sometimes comes a bit loose. Just push the black rectangle". How do you know that?
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19:23:33AlexPhepub: using full nicks allows highlighting to work. Don't forget about tab complete :)
19:28:46gevaertshepub: it's come up often enough over the years to remember
19:29:14gevaertsand I checked the location details on my e200 :)
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19:35:51HillshumShould the Clip be added to the current builds page?
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20:21:45sf_I am running rockbox 3.2 on an ipod 5G 30gb. Can I make it so that when I plug in a USB cable connected to a computer, rockbox doesn't become a mountable drive? I sometimes want the device to charge, but continue playing music.
20:22:16sf_I can not find any settings related to this in the options menu
20:22:18AlexPThe manual tells you how
20:22:29AlexPI think you hold menu when plugging usb
20:22:43AlexPBut I might have misremembered the button, I don't have an ipod
20:23:54sf_AlexP, you were correct about the menu button. thank you
20:24:10AlexPno problems
20:24:21Unhelpfulah, it seems i need to increase DIRCACHE_LIMIT a bit
20:28:29JdGordon|isnt that 6MB?
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20:30:49CIA-80New commit by mc2739 (r23724): Add Sansa Clip v1 to current builds and manual web pages.
20:35:12mc2739B4gder: can you update the web server and add the clip to the manual build process? Also, will you verify that the iAudio M3 is set up for manual builds?
20:35:49AlexPThe clip manual is missing quite a lot of stuff, e.g. plugin keymaps if anyone fancies it :)
20:36:02AlexPInstall is there at least :)
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20:38:11pixelmahmm... the M3 would miss most plugin keymaps too, except pictureflow...
20:39:03pixelmacan't remember whether I committed the install instructions but I know I began with that (and it's easy because it's similar to the other Iaudios, just different filenames)
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20:40:24mc2739Wouldn't an incomplete manual be better than no manual?
20:40:29pixelmaone thing that is not so nice about the M3 is the trick you need to get it charging after installing Rockbox
20:40:53AlexPmc2739: IMO yes
20:41:11pixelmasure, but installation instructions should be there
20:41:24AlexPIf people can see it, they can both benefit from what is there, and see what needs to be done.
20:41:34AlexPbut yes, installation instructions should be there
20:42:10mc2739of course, who reads the manuals anyway? :)
20:42:36AlexPeveryone if they don't want to be smacked upside the head :)
20:43:01pixelmait's there
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20:43:23pixelma(the installation instructions, well at least here)
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20:44:15CIA-80New commit by FlynDice (r23725): AMS Sansa: dma-pl081.c: dma_enable_channel() Add step to clear pending interrupts from the previous operation. Add comments and make construction ...
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20:49:12UnhelpfulJdGordon: yes, yes it is. i made it 16, but it appears in only actually need about 7. another reason to have dynamic buffer_alloc resize. after my eight other projects. :/
20:49:55Unhelpfulalso the fact that the disk was grinding forever after startup is apparently why my tests of n1s's patch came out badly
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20:52:32Unhelpfuldo we already prefix-compress the strings in the dircache?
20:52:52n1sUnhelpful: ?
20:52:52n1smaybe i should read logs?
20:53:08n1sdon't think so
20:53:36Unhelpfuln1s: oh, nothing, i had a dircache issue that left my disk grinding for many minutes after boot, and skewed my -fstrict-aliasing benchmark results
20:53:51amiconnUnhelpful: Prefix-compress? Afaik dircache stores individual path components
20:54:33amiconnAnd 7MB dirache? On the targets where I have it enabled, it doesn't consume more than around 400kB
20:54:36Unhelpfulamiconn: ah... i thought it was full paths. if it's storing path components then it's already prefix-compressed after a fashion.
20:55:25amiconn(only real hdd targets, and only those with 32MB ram or more. On 16MB targets I consider it too much waste)
20:55:59Unhelpfuland you can fit quite a few files on an S60, especially if many of them are text or even jpeg instead of music.
20:57:49AlexPDircache on my 120 GB S is 1.3 MB
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20:58:35AlexP~100 GB or so used, but virtually all music
20:58:38Unhelpfulhrm, will database.ignore cause directories to be skipped by dircache?
20:58:52JdGordon|well.. it shuoldnt
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20:59:20Unhelpfulhrm. so is something wrong with my builds, or do i actually just have too many files, or names too long? ;)
20:59:36amiconnToo many files and/or too long names
21:00:06amiconnThere were reports that the HVSC causes excessive dircahce size too
21:00:55Unhelpfuli bet it would. chiptunes == tiny :)
21:01:11bertrikregarding testing on c200v2, some mp3 tracks won't even start ... :/
21:01:17UnhelpfulJdGordon: the first google hit was this:
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21:02:29AlexPJdGordon|: chip tunes I think
21:02:58AlexPhigh voltage sid collection or some such
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21:19:07Unhelpfuli also saw some, er, browsing oddities when dircache was not init'ing. stuff like going back one level from a deep folder taking me to the root menu, or duplicate file entries, things like that.
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21:31:07pixelmaJdGordon|: with the .grey the system should now pick up for the M5 (even sim) automatically or do I still have to do something additionally?
21:31:32JdGordon|it shuold just work
21:31:43JdGordon|as if the hand of G.... umm... yeha, it should just work
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21:39:48pamauryHello, what is the status of multivolume ? Will it once be definitive or it is planned to continue with the current system ?
21:40:22AlexPWhat do you mean by definitive?
21:41:49pamauryI mean that there won't be HAVE_MULTIVOLUME anymore and the core will have a multivolume api whatever the target is.
21:42:40gevaertswhy would we do that? Multivolume costs memory
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21:44:52pamauryI don't know, that's just a question :) That's because of a comment in mv.h
21:45:36JdGordon|pixelma: so whats the story with the sbs? getting closer to being able to commit 10709?
21:45:53pixelmaJdGordon|: hmm... it's picked up but keeps the .grey in its filename so didn't replace the wrong one I had before
21:45:57Unhelpfuln1s: *nice*. *everything* is faster on beast except for the ape_normal sample, now :D
21:46:45JdGordon|pixelma: arg, that should be dead simple to fix... just change the line to have at the end of the dest filename on the line I changed in the diff...
21:47:41pixelmaerr... the grey statusbar seems to be all white (so you see nothing, except for the RTC viewport?
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21:48:21Unhelpfulit also makes -O3 a much more consistent winner
21:48:25JdGordon|what did you break? :)
21:48:25pixelmaI can't see why RTC is different there
21:48:48JdGordon|paste the .sbs... I can look at that while at work
21:48:57JdGordon|its not real code :) names the clip as sansaclip
21:49:24B4gderhence the manuals etc are now wrong
21:49:37pamauryIs is possible to have HAVE_MULTIDRIVE without HAVE_MULTIVOLUME ?
21:49:48pixelmaJdGordon|: Where does the parser get the values for the colours from if you use - for them?
21:50:03JdGordon|the settings
21:50:40pixelmathere are no foreground or background shade settings (for the user) on greyscale yet
21:51:00gevaertspamaury: no
21:51:44JdGordon|pixelma: then its either random, or some default.. I'd have to check the code
21:51:50JdGordon|viewport.c if you are adventurous
21:52:04CIA-80New commit by bagder (r23726): clip is apparently and quite confusingly named just... clip
21:52:30pixelmaI guess random... that would explain why the RTC viewport works
21:53:49pixelmathe only difference of that viewport compared to the others is that it is a right aligned one with a negative position (disk access would be too but that isn't simulated so I can't tell)
21:54:33JdGordon|that seems odd
21:54:42JdGordon|but anyway, you should set the colours you want on grey
21:55:09pixelmanow there is a .grey one that's easy
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21:55:46Jaykay_hi :) whats up with SansaAMSFirmware?
21:55:49B4gderso does the M3 and clip manuals build fine now?
21:55:55B4gderor do rather
21:56:04AlexPclip does at least
21:56:17Jaykay_it got edited so many times, and apparently i edited it by just opening it
21:56:20AlexPAs I was the last person to commit something for it and it did then :)
21:56:37kugelB4gder: :'(
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21:56:53kugelwhat is needed to have clip -> sansaclip everywhere?
21:57:12B4gderafaik, it is only "clip" in configure at this point
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21:58:11pixelmaM3 should build fine too
21:58:23kugelI'm not sure, I think the e200v1 is still under "e200" in configure
21:58:42pixelmaI mean the manual
21:58:51kugelwhich reminds me, I wanted to make a "request" to the RSB to decide on a naming scheme
21:58:52B4gderkugel: right, it is...
21:59:09n1sUnhelpful: \o/
22:00:08FlynDiceJaykay: what about SansaAMSFirmware are you curious about..?
22:00:27kugelthe inconsistency is annoying several people for several month, and we keep introducing inconsitency, still we don't get this thing done even though it seems trivial
22:00:59B4gderwe could do a vote among committers, based on rasher's script
22:01:15JaykayFlynDice: it got edited about 5 or 6 times, and just in the attachments. why? and when i tried to open it, i was asked for my name and password, and after i entered that, the page was edited again but with no changes.
22:01:41*B4gder added clip and m3 manual builds now
22:01:53kugelB4gder: I think we had several discussions about it already, all turned in to a "bikeshed painting" discussion type
22:02:04kugelbut we could try that, yes
22:02:19B4gderyes, but a vote would be a vote and then we'd have a decision based on the majority
22:02:47JdGordon|the majority don't understand whats good for them!
22:03:19B4gderin this case, nobody knows what's best ;-)
22:03:19kugelI thought Rockbox wasn't a democracy? :)
22:03:27B4gdershould we roll a dice?
22:03:39JdGordon|cmon lucky 8!
22:03:47gevaertskugel: that's why we need a vote! Otherwise how can we know what not to do?
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22:03:53FlynDiceJaykay: Yes I was noticing some weirdness there too that's why your comment caught my eye. I just looked at it and when I got back to the homepage it said I was the last to modify... Are you Johannes by any chance?
22:04:13Jaykayyes :)
22:04:48FlynDiceGreat, monkey's off my back now.. ;-))
22:05:09FlynDiceI'm not sure what's going on there
22:05:38pixelmaJdGordon|: does this apply to the .mono ones too?
22:05:55pixelma(I mean the renaming
22:06:03pixelmaif I could just type
22:06:34JdGordon|is mono wrong?
22:08:43pixelmathe line looks the same as the .grey one
22:08:56JdGordon|yep, fix both
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22:16:19JdGordon|pixelma: I didnt see an answer before.... your changes almost ready so I can annoy everyone with 10709 soon?
22:16:27Jaykaydomonoky: do you know whats up with SansaAMSFirmware?
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22:16:51pixelmahehe... I assigned the shades the wrong way around (I can never remember whether which is black and which is white)
22:16:53Jaykaydomonoky1: sorry :)
22:17:46domonoky1Jaykay: dont know. it seems the wiki has some bug. i just visited the page, and the wiki modified it.
22:18:11Jaykaythat happened to me and FlynDice too...
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22:21:44domonoky1looks like this is problem with the directed graph plugin in foswiki
22:22:53Unhelpfulof course i'm still comparing to the default optimizations without -fstrict-aliasing when i compare 4.4.2 to 4.0.3...
22:23:12domonoky1somehow the graph plugin thinks it needs to update the attached images.
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22:26:07kugelJdGordon: did you fix the problem that the sbs gets re-enabled within plugins?
22:26:26JdGordon|this is the first im hearing of this...
22:26:42kugelmost noticeable in bubbles. the menu doesn't show the sbs, but when you play the acutual games it re-appears and flickers
22:26:57JdGordon|svn or 10709?
22:27:03kugelthe patch
22:27:12*B4gder waits for it... :-)
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22:27:31kugelwell, I told you that there are numerous bugs, but you didn't ask further so I assumed you didn't care
22:27:38*JdGordon| knows what the problem is and says FUCK IT... IM DOING ONE BIG PATCH
22:27:43kugelwell, either didn't care or know about I mean
22:27:58JdGordon|slight difference between those two...
22:28:15domonoky1B4gder: can you take a look at what goes wrong with the graph plugin in the wiki ? or should i prod Zagor ?
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22:28:26kugelyea, accidentally hit enter to early
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22:28:57B4gderdomonoky1: oh, that is totally zagor area, I've not even taken a quick look at those things
22:28:59pixelmaJdGordon|: nah, I'm quite far but have to work on the recording quality settings still (and check on target(s)). Does early USB work and what info is displayed there?
22:29:02*kugel wonders if JdGordon runs nay plugins when testing stuff
22:29:28JdGordon|pixelma: early use displays the time and battery level, not much else
22:29:41JdGordon|kugel: there is a big assumption there which invalidates that statement
22:29:46pixelmadisk access would be interesting too
22:29:52JdGordon|i tihnk that also
22:30:00*JdGordon| doesnt remember exactly
22:30:17JdGordon|.... "when testing stuff"
22:30:37kugelyou mean you don't test or what?
22:30:57pixelmait's still a bit meh that early USB statusbar will look differently
22:31:19JdGordon|pixelma: well.. it wouldnt if we could hit the disk!
22:31:34kugelI'm wondering whether you run plugins during testing your work, because regularly some of your commits break them
22:31:40pixelmaor if the statusbar was built-in
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22:33:27kugelpixelma: well, we could use the images that are build-in right now for the inbuilt statusbar, but that requires a good deal of extra code for the tags for a statusbar which shouldn't show up ever (USB is the only exception, basically)
22:34:11pixelmaI can't follow that statement
22:34:25JdGordon|we are trying to get rid of bitmpas in the binary
22:34:26kugelthat was regarding the early USB statusbar
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22:35:19pixelmakugel: that I understood but not what you actually want to tell with it
22:35:47JdGordon|one of the problems iwth having the sbs internal
22:36:00kugelthe images don't hurt at all in the binary. all this tiny mono-bitmaps are neglible. but the code for the tags (and probably more related code) adds unneccessary complications
22:37:08pixelmaisn't the skin parser in the core already?
22:37:39kugelyes, but there's no way to draw built-in bitmaps currently
22:37:44kkurbjunWGetting rid of bitmaps in the main binary could also make things like on the fly screen rotation easier
22:38:30kugelkkurbjun: we could have each of those images twice in the binary and it still wouldn't make a difference :)
22:39:22kugeleach of the current statusbar images are 2-4bytes big, that's really neglible
22:39:32kkurbjunWas it stands it would need a hack to do the rotation in the main build with the built-in bitmaps - it would if you count the USB bitmap in there, and having two bitmaps complicates things more
22:39:35pixelmathere is no way to draw built-in bitmaps already? What's with the sysfont?
22:39:56JdGordon|different system
22:40:02JdGordon|the skin engine cant draw inbuilt bitmaps
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22:46:40kugelpixelma: use a theme that uses UI vp, and enter a plugin that has shows a menu at start
22:47:21JdGordon|all these problems are because vewportmanager_set_statusbar() is fucked!
22:47:29JdGordon|and they will go away once thats fixed
22:47:38*kugel just hopes JdGordon is aware that he needs to fix most plugins within 2-3 weeks, to have a good release
22:47:38JdGordon|but there is no easy fix for that while the inbuilt bar is there
22:47:50kugelthat's a different problem
22:48:11JdGordon|whats a different problem?
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22:48:44kugelthe bug I'm talking about is caused by the overhasty removal of the way to override the ui vp (with a fullscreen one for example) for plugins
22:50:08JdGordon|tomayto tomato...
22:50:24JdGordon|it wasnt over hasty... it should never have gone in in the firts place
22:51:30JdGordon|either you use the users viewports (sos sbs+uivp) or you use full screen
22:51:47kugelyea, but you didn't fix a single plugin to do it right
22:53:53kugeljust to let you know. I will revert that commit if you didn't resolve this ( before the release
22:54:50JdGordon|how about fixing the plugins which you shuold have done instead of introducing that?
22:55:18JdGordon|it was your band-aid... not mine
22:55:32pixelmakugel: you said %Vi in the sbs would be sufficient
22:55:41kugelit was no band aid
22:56:12kugelsince back then, there was no way to get a guaranteed fullscreen viewport (that's different now)
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22:56:56kugelpixelma: %Vi is only used if the sbs is actually shown of course, but it should be sufficient to not have lists and sbs draw over each other
22:58:20pixelmait's not after leaving most plugins (or wasn't) until some moving around in the menus magically fix it after a differing number of tries
22:58:50kugelJdGordon|: you're the one constantly adding "crappy band-aids", not me
22:59:18JdGordon|which will all bloody dissapar fi I was allowed to commit stuff
23:00:14kugelpixelma: that's unfortunate, but it worked when I committed sbs
23:00:24kugelwe possibly broke it inbetween
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23:04:31drf|laptopSo, guys
23:04:42drf|laptopI just got a Sansa Fuze. Ran rbutil, installed th ebootloader, Rockbox, all the addons
23:04:48drf|laptopAnd it won't start. It just boots the OFW
23:05:23krazykitthen you didn't install the bootloader
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23:05:37drf|laptopIt said it was installed...
23:05:47drf|laptopthough it says Sansa Fuze (Unstable) and the auto-install buttons were greyed out
23:05:51drf|laptopis that supposed to happen?
23:07:24JdGordon|kugel: : JdGordon: so very quickly I want the API too look like viewport_enable_theme(bool); and viewport_theme_undo(); which works in a stack so there is no need to remember what it was when entering your screen... if its enabled then set_defaults() gets what it does now (i.e combo of sbs and ui vp)
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23:08:00JdGordon|if a screen wants to force the bar, then there would be a seperate sbs_force(bool) which does nothing if a sbs is loaded, and forces the internal if one isnt
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23:08:23JdGordon|how that works with the enable() art before needs some thinking
23:08:39JdGordon|once thats in then its 2 lines to make all plugins just work again
23:08:54bluebroth3rdrf|laptop: the Quickstart buttons are greyed out because they would install a release build, which is not available for the fuze
23:09:14bluebroth3rusing the manual installation requires you to install Rockbox build and bootloader separately.
23:09:15drf|laptopIt let me install a release build when I did "Install rockbox"...
23:09:22CIA-80New commit by mc2739 (r23727): Add clip image mapping
23:09:25drf|laptopwell lemme try it again, it obviously didn't work the first time
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23:09:33drf|laptopDoes the Fuze still have the dual-boot method where you can press left to use the OFW?
23:11:16drf|laptopfuzeA.bin <−− That's the firmware file, right?
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23:13:51pixelmahmm... I could make the Archoses sbs aware of the Recorders and Ondios itself - RTC viewport on one and disk activity on the other (somehow thought first that I need different sbs files
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23:15:46pixelmathe M:Robe's remote statusbar has issues because the display is too narrow (but that's with the built-in one too)
23:15:57drf|laptopwtf at this
23:16:13drf|laptop"[ERR] Original firmware unknown, please try an other version. Tested c200 versions are: 3.02.05"
23:16:16pixelmaI'd probably disable it too anyways
23:16:18drf|laptopis fuzeA the wrong file?
23:17:22pixelmakugel: does ui viewport work for remotes too - independent of the main display?
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23:18:18pixelmaso you could actually use a (well 1) different font there now
23:18:27pixelmain lists
23:18:47kugelfor 3 month now :)
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23:37:34pixelmaJdGordon|: the error output of the skin parser is still way off - complaining about something on line 114 when the file only has 104.
23:38:01JdGordon|yeah, I need to dig into that...
23:38:07JdGordon|low priority thuogh
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23:38:56UtchybannTheSeven: ping
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23:39:41UtchybannTheSeven: this patch seems to fixes the USEC_TIMER macro Can you test it ?
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23:41:50drf|laptop[ERR] Original firmware unknown, please try an other version. Tested c200 versi
23:41:50drf|laptopons are : 3.02.05
23:41:50drf|laptop[ERR] Could not load fuzeA.bin
23:41:52drf|laptopDarn it
23:41:55drf|laptopEven doing it manually gives me that
23:42:04drf|laptopand I just updated it with the Sansa program so the OFW isn't broken...
23:43:36gevaertsdrf|laptop: where does that fuzeA.bin come from?
23:43:47pixelmaon the M:Robes the remote really should use a ui vp with the sysfont (and switch off the statusbar) - with default fonts thera is nothing besides the halfway broken statusbar on the screen, even on the M:Robe100 which uses 12-Adobe-Helvetica
23:44:22drf|laptopThe root of the Sansa.
23:44:28drf|laptopAfter running Sansa Updater
23:46:09gevaertsdrf|laptop: which version of is that?
23:46:29drf|laptopHold on
23:46:38drf|laptopIt doesn't have a v2 on the back though, if that's what you mean
23:46:49gevaertsno, the firmware version
23:47:13gevaertsthat's a v2. v1 starts with v01.x
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23:47:58drf|laptopDarn it. So that means I can't put Rockbox on it?
23:48:16drf|laptopI figured these refurbished units would all be v1 :/
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23:49:50gevaertsyes, rockbox only works on the v1
23:50:24drf|laptopIs there a hardware difference, or just firmware?
23:51:08drf|laptopso finding a v1 fuzeA.bin won't make a difference?
23:52:06gevaertsI'd hope that the player would refuse to install that. It definitely won't work
23:52:32drf|laptopDarn. Well that's nice to know, I guess... there's no v2 written anywhere, like the e200s had
23:52:46JdGordon|keeps you guessing
23:52:55gevaertsforget that. On refurbished players, anything goes
23:53:09drf|laptopI guess
23:53:16drf|laptopI bought a refurbished e280 and that worked great
23:53:31*gevaerts 's e280v1 says v2 on the back
23:54:03drf|laptopMine says nothing, and is a normal v1
23:54:07drf|laptopGotta love, eh?
23:54:12kkurbjunWpixelma: if you use the sysfont you only get a basic char set, it would make it difficult for other languages
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23:54:20*Hillshum 's e260 says 8GB on the back
23:54:42pixelmakkurbjunW: better than nothing at all?
23:55:15kkurbjunWpixelma: it should work if you choose an 8pt font and without the statusbar it will display 2 lines
23:55:31drf|laptopisn't e260 6GB?
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23:55:53kkurbjunWbut I would agree that having it fixed at sysfont is better than nothing if you use a font larger than 8 points, or 16 if you have the statusbar disabled
23:56:20Hillshumdrf|laptop: 4GB actually. But this is getting offtopic
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23:56:42pixelmayes, but then you also have a tiny font on the main display (more important on the M:Robe 500) I guess. But I admit using a ui vp would make it harder than just switching the font
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