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#rockbox log for 2009-11-28

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01:37:36Unhelpful_n1s: that is probably an essentially correct summary of the results. also it appears that at least for beast the best -O level is pretty much the same regardless of the compiler used, if -fstrict-aliasing is enabled.
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02:11:11xordosHi, I have a sansa c200v2, I tried the boot file recent available on, but even though it says firmware upgraded, but it still load OF.
02:11:23xordosthe detail is here:
02:12:41xordosI actually also built from trunk(r23773) with same result, what/where should I do next?
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09:50:04pixelma;r2=23772;pathrev=23772 shows the reason why I don't like manual line breaks in a cell. It took me some staring what it does and why it was made this way - and how does it work with the alternating line colouring now anyways?
09:53:46pixelmaok, the colouring still helps readability but of course doesn't look like I would expect ot to
09:59:34pixelmait would be nice to have line breaks in the cell that won't start a new table row and you have to declare empty cells for the other columns... maybe there is a way?
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10:05:49pixelmabluebroth3r: do you have an idea?
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11:12:41pixelmaah \newline works :) (it's different to \\ which is currently used and does what I would want (line break but inside the cell not a new row)
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12:34:26pixelmaAlexP, bluebroth3r, n1s, mc2739: anything speaking against this change: ? I guess not, just making sure
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12:35:32pixelmathe old way is quite error prone too because of the different number of colours as the commit I mentioned earlier shows
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12:36:17AlexPpixelma: No, that looks great - breaking within a cell and having different colours was/is a pet hate of mine
12:37:10AlexPAll tables should be like that :)
12:37:38pixelmamine too, more because of the unreadable code though. Have a look at the button table in goban.tex...
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12:51:28bluebroth3rpixelma: no, looks like the proper way to me :)
12:52:04bluebroth3rthere has to be a reason we use paragraph formatting on the right column ;-)
12:53:05evilnickpixelma's way looks a lot more obviously understandable to me
12:54:49pixelmanice. Thanks for the opinions. I will commit the change to the recording screen button table shortly. It should be adapted to other button tables too later... if someone feels bored...
12:56:04pixelmabesides the general button table cleanup
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13:50:43Jaykaywhere are the configs in FS #10819? i doubt you can just delete them
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13:55:11pixelmaJaykay: he moved it into a seperate directory and said here that somehow diff didn't show the "add" part of the move
13:55:32Jaykayok thanks :)
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14:25:12SoapTorne: you might want to consider modifying your recent poll in the forums re:iPod boot issues to allow more than one vote per person. I wasn't so bold as to modify it myself, but there are many Ipod Rockboxers who own more than one iPod and currently the poll allows only one reply per person.
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15:22:06n1spixelma: looks god to me :)
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16:02:00mc2739pixelma: Very nice. This is definately a better solution.
16:06:01TaZzZhow unstable is rockbox on the sansa fuse
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16:33:39topiknot unstable at all
16:34:00topikeverything works great except there is no usb driver so you need to fill your fuze using the original firmware
16:34:19mc2739TaZzZ: Rockbox is very usable on the Sansa Fuze. There are still problems with some microSD cards, but I believe most work well. There are also some minor issues with the display in mpegplayer.
16:34:54topikthere are far more issues in the original firmware tbh
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17:24:26CIA-6New commit by lenzone10 (r23774): Updated italian translation.
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17:37:37CIA-6New commit by pixelma (r23775): Make the more classic. Icons, position of numbers, charging animation (only tested on a colour display so far), volume as before ...
17:38:30pixelmameh, forgot to mention the .rsbs file deletion - but the commit message was quite long already :\
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17:41:02TorneSoap: a good idea, alas you can't edit that it seems.
17:42:30LambdaCalculus37Question regarding plugin keymaps... in a few of the plugin source files, I've noticed a few #elif lines are bordered by ( ) (e.g. (CONFIG_KEYPAD == FOO_PAD) )
17:42:49LambdaCalculus37Does wrapping the CONFIG_KEYPAD line with ( ) do anything in particular?
17:46:10gevaertsIt shouldn't, in this case
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17:46:29gevaerts== is pretty high up in the precedence table
17:47:29LambdaCalculus37gevaerts: Ahh.
17:47:33gevaertswell, not really, but I don't see anything higher that's likely in these cases, and if it's the only expression in the condition, the rules are clear :)
17:48:13LambdaCalculus37gevaerts: What I'm trying to figure out is how to keep certain plugins from building for a target.
17:48:25LambdaCalculus37I want to build plugins for the SA9200, but not all of them.
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17:49:03LambdaCalculus37Unless I can build them to use graphics for 128x128 LCDs and then fix them later once we have artwork for the 128x160 LCD.
17:49:59gevaertsjust disable them in SOURCES then
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17:53:14LambdaCalculus37gevaerts: There's a section in SOURCES that's commented /* not support recorder models for now */ and has #if (LCD_WIDTH > 112) && (LCD_HEIGHT > 64) below.
17:53:18LambdaCalculus37Follow with that?
17:53:56gevaertssomething similar, yes
17:54:14LambdaCalculus37Wait, I see a better example.
17:54:43LambdaCalculus37#ifndef IRIVER_IFP7XX_SERIES /* Temporarily disable plugins for iFP7xx 8/
17:55:12LambdaCalculus37So all I have to do is create a new #ifndef for the SA9200 and then list which specific plugins I want built. :)
17:55:17gevaertswell yes, but if it's about screen size I think that's not such a good idea. If there are other reasons, that's different
17:55:22Llorean1Is the IFP7X still in the build scripts?
17:55:34LambdaCalculus37Llorean: Yeah, it's never been taken out.
17:55:37CtcpIgnored 6 channel CTCP requests in 4 minutes and 56 seconds at the last flood
17:55:37*Llorean1 remembers the last time he tried to compile for it it was hard because many of the codecs were too big.
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17:55:48LambdaCalculus37gevaerts: It's mostly for a couple of games that need artwork.
17:55:56LloreanNow that they've been trimmed down for the clip, it might be possible to get it working again
17:56:10LloreanIn fact, its playback problems *might* have been simply the ones that affected the clip since it's also quite lowmem
17:56:12LambdaCalculus37Llorean: Do you still have your iFP795?
17:56:19LloreanI do indeed
17:56:26LambdaCalculus37Llorean: Wanna see if it still builds?
17:56:30LloreanI never even prepped Rockbox for it, but assuming the old resources are still around, I might try.
17:56:38LloreanI'm on vacation in the woods right now, but when I get home I think I shall
17:56:47LambdaCalculus37Llorean: Awesome. :)
17:57:28LloreanI remember that MP3 was working on it, and he was trying to optimize Vorbis (since it's only 60mhz IIRC)
17:58:16LloreanThen again, the Rockbox binary has grown since then
17:58:44LloreanAnd I think he was using gcc 2.95
18:00:47SoapTorne: I saw an option to allow more than one vote per person and ASSumed that would trigger the desired behavior...
18:01:37Soapsee it now:
18:01:45Soapset it for 7 votes per person.
18:02:51Soapwhich allows one yes or no per target in the poll plus one "other" vote.
18:04:28*LambdaCalculus37 is going for a while
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18:08:00CIA-6New commit by tomers (r23776): Diacritic display enhancements ...
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18:12:42CIA-6New commit by pixelma (r23777): Manual: find a nicer solution for the problem that lead to r23772. Using \newline gives a linebreak inside of the cell - it's not necessary to start a ...
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18:16:43tomersDoes anyone knows how can I save binsize in diac_ranges? Each item in the array is of size 16+8 bits, but it is padded to 32 bit. I think there is something that can be defined to prevent this from happening, but I don't remember how it is done, and more importantly, I don't know the consequences (performance-wise mostly) that involved in such change
18:17:58gevaertstomers: I don't think you can, really
18:18:27tomersThe question is whether preventing data structure padding of diac_ranges worth to performance hit
18:19:22tomersgevaerts: Can you measure these two? (after we figure out how to disable padding)?
18:20:40gevaertstomers: don't forget that most targets don't like unaligned accesses
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18:22:13gevaertstomers: one small optimisation that might be worth considering : I don't think (but check first...) that rockbox handles characters outside of the 16 bit range, so the last six entries could be dropped (or commented out,...)
18:23:58gevaertsoh wait, I'm looking at an old version
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18:24:52tomersgevaerts: I indeed changes this
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18:26:33gevaertsI *think* there's one trick that might work
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18:28:49gevaertsIt looks like you always have a zone with diacritic, followed by a zone without. Both seem to always share the RTL flag. That means that you could do a different data structure, namely "start of diacritics, start of normal, is_rtl", which basically means 48 bits for every current two entries (64 bits). You might need more code though.
18:29:05pixelmaI'd welcome if someone tested on a greyscale target that has charging in Rockbox (probably H1x0s only), same with a Recorder
18:29:41gevaertsAnother thing that could work is to move the flags to a separate array. That's going to be the most memory efficient way to do this (if you do some tricks to use all bits properly)
18:30:02gevaertsIt would be harder to make sure both tables are in sync though
18:30:17tomersgevaerts: One exception: 0x07ea (Thaana language)
18:30:44gevaertshm, indeed
18:31:08tomersgevaerts: I thought of that, and couldn't find a way to make the database maintainable or even readable this way
18:32:12tomersgevaerts: Maybe for the thaana language, do some trick - define one unsupported chars as diacritic, or even have some overlapping. I'll check that
18:32:50gevaertsif you can have the lookup function handle overlaps (in less than 200 bytes of code, otherwise it's a waste), that would work
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18:33:45gevaertsor maybe 250...
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18:42:39saratoga_clip $20 shipped in the US today on woot
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22:35:02Guest35900What has the most ( Price / Rockbox Compatibilty ) of any MP3 Player?
22:35:33Guest35900I'm thinking of possible gift ideas for myself for the Holidays
22:36:09soapAre you willing to buy a used device?
22:36:55soapFlash or HDD?
22:37:54Guest35900Uh... doesn't matter I guess
22:39:08soapBang for the buck and easier availability =
22:39:21soapperhaps the e200v2
22:39:52pixelmadepends a lot on what you wan't from a player
22:40:46pixelmaerr... want
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22:42:07Guest35900Ok I'll look into that.
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22:57:28bluebroth3ryou might want to check the BuyersGuide wiki page
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23:32:06saratogai took apart a sandisk cable to look at how line out is detected, unfortunately it looks like the fuze OF scans for it by pulling a pin high
23:32:12saratogaand rockbox does not
23:36:24Unhelpfulam i understanding the recently-merged FS #10720 correctly? is this support for combining diacritics by drawing the diacritic character over the previous character?
23:37:54saratogaanyone know what voltage a GPIO typically is?
23:39:03CIA-6New commit by bluebrother (r23778): Handle TARGET_DIR in universal library building. ...
23:39:07CIA-6New commit by bluebrother (r23779): Fix building universal binaries. ...
23:39:46Unhelpfulalso as i understand it greylib works by doing temporal dithering vs a random matrix. this leads to a staticy appearance on faster displays. would an ordered dither matrix (probably producing a more "flickery" image) perhaps be worth trying? as a side benefit it could probably also use the bitmap loader's dither table and logic (which is very tiny)
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