#rockbox 2009-11-30

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00:03:56	Unhelpful	the debruijn method might actually perform decently on arm7, where shifted registers don't impose an extra interlock... rounding to a power of two can be 6 cycles (replacing the v = (v >> 1) + 1 with v ^= (v>>1) ), and the multiply can be cheap in the average-input case if operands are ordered correctly, something i didn't know about or try when i benchmarked clz functions
00:04:11	Unhelpful	that method needs to have v==0 special-cased, though
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00:19:55	CIA-6	New commit by mc2739 (r23795): Gigibeat S Manual - Correct display of manual installation items 'Single Boot' and 'Dual Boot' - add missing frequencies to Recording Settings.
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01:26:47	loyx	hey, i updated to the latest version of rockbox. i used to have a problem where, while plugged in, the ipod 4g would recieve no power from the cable. now, i updated, and the ipod decharges while plugged in, however, it does NOT power off, it stays charged by the cable. when i pull out the cable, the ipod instantly powers off.
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01:29:36	loyx	it charges fine in the regular apple firmware
01:30:12	Torne	rockbox only draws 100mA from the USB port
01:30:24	Torne	this only lets it charge pretty slowly
01:30:32	Torne	and if you're using hte disk it will indeed discharge
01:30:41	Torne	since the disk uses more current than that while active.
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01:32:01	Torne	it shouldn't matter what version you have, really :)
01:32:13	Torne	it's never charged properly.
01:33:22	loyx	torne: i'm almost definitely sure the HDD in use and i was charging with AC
01:33:34	Torne	it doesn't matter what you connect it to
01:33:44	loyx	*hdd wasn't in use
01:33:46	Torne	it only draws 100mA
01:34:02	Torne	the AC charger is still USB power
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01:34:19	loyx	ohh i see
01:34:22	loyx	but even still
01:34:26	loyx	in orig apple firmware
01:34:31	loyx	it atleast charges when not in use
01:34:32	Torne	I don't know what the idle power is for 4G
01:34:46	Torne	it's ~30mA for the video
01:34:50	loyx	so wouldn't it still be a problem wit h rockbox?
01:34:57	Torne	which means it can still charge, it just takes all night
01:35:05	Torne	the 4G may be higher, possibly
01:35:19	Torne	yes, it's rockbox..
01:35:22	Torne	i didn't say it wasnt L)
01:35:35	Torne	we never set the bit in the power controller telling it it's okay to draw the full 500mA from USB
01:35:42	Torne	missing feature.
01:35:56	loyx	ohh i see
01:36:25	Torne	see FS #8802
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01:37:19	loyx	i remember applying that patch in the comments
01:37:32	loyx	but that didn't work
01:37:39	Torne	it does work
01:37:57	loyx	is that patch in the SVN? i'm about to grab it
01:38:31	Torne	No, the patch isn't committed; it's a hack and we can't take it as is
01:38:38	Torne	the patch won't work for the 4G unless you modify it
01:38:40	Torne	it
01:38:47	Torne	it's only configured for video and nano1g
01:39:07	loyx	ohh ok
01:39:10	Torne	the 4G has the same power controller so it's likely that the same bit works to enable full charging
01:39:15	Torne	but i don't know that anyone has tested it.
01:39:19	loyx	do you know what i have to modify to get it working with 4G?
01:39:26	Torne	you probably just have to change the #ifdef
01:39:38	loyx	i'm willing to take a risk, don't really care if this ipod breaks hah
01:39:42	Torne	i have been meanign to implement proper usb charging support for a while but i haven't gotten around to it
01:39:48	Torne	it wont' break, it just might do nothing or make it worse :)
01:39:53	Torne	well ok, it probably won't break
01:40:09	Torne	if you do test it, please report on the FS entry whether it works ;)
01:40:15	loyx	definitely
01:40:17	loyx	er
01:40:20	loyx	sorry for the unrelated question
01:40:26	loyx	but compiling rockbox works on cygwin right?
01:40:29	Torne	yup
01:40:33	loyx	excellent
01:40:34	Torne	there are instructions ont eh wiki
01:41:16	Torne	someone may eventually get around to implementing usb charging properly
01:41:27	Torne	unfortunately there are differences of opinion as to what "properly" means in this case :)
01:41:39	Torne	since actually obeying the USB spec does not give the behaviour that most people probably want
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01:41:54	Torne	but disobeying the spec maybe will one day kill someone's usb device :)
01:42:26	loyx	so, that's probably why the patch wasn't implemented
01:42:26	loyx	right?
01:42:46	Torne	well, the patch there just makes it draw 500mA all the time if you enable the etting
01:42:56	Torne	even if you attach it to a computer which can't provide that
01:43:16	Torne	so on laptops, or unpowred hubs, or other sources that can't necessarily do that, it produces odd behaviour
01:43:30	loyx	ohh, i see
01:43:33	Torne	i have tha tpatch in my build and if i plug it into my keyboard's usb hub the keyboard and mouse stop working :)
01:43:46	Torne	because the hub's safety cutouts go off and disconnect reverything
01:43:59	Torne	this is not ideal
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01:44:09	loyx	ahh ok
01:44:11	Torne	so, i was gonna try and do a safer approach, but haven't gotten around to it yet.
01:44:17	Torne	maybe i will at some point, or someone else will ;)
01:44:19	loyx	well for me
01:44:26	loyx	as long as the battery doesn't discharge while plugged in
01:44:27	loyx	it's fine
01:44:35	loyx	because i want to use it in my car
01:44:38	Torne	if you can test hte patch with the appropriate changes to make it take effect on 4G and report back that would be great
01:44:41	loyx	then when i want to bring it with me, no power
01:44:48	Torne	because atm it's only been tested on video/nano
01:45:02	loyx	i'm about to apply the patch
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01:45:32	Torne	Ohh, right, soryr
01:45:35	Torne	i see the bit htats missing
01:45:46	Torne	apply the patch as is
01:45:49	loyx	do you have a version that you want to send me?
01:45:56	loyx	or just download the one in 8802
01:45:58	loyx	that's in the comments
01:46:05	Torne	just apply the one from 8802
01:46:10	loyx	kk
01:46:10	Torne	but then youneed to edit the config.h for your player
01:46:11	Torne	one sec
01:46:38	Torne	is yours a 4g or a color?
01:46:45	loyx	4G with the black and white screen
01:47:03	loyx	and speak of the devil
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01:47:11	loyx	my mouse just disconnected when it went into the apple firmware, hahahahh
01:47:18	Torne	ok. apply the patch as it is, and then edit firmware/config/config-ipod4g.h
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01:47:20	Torne	add a line that says
01:47:26	Torne	#define HAVE_USB_CHARGING_ENABLE
01:47:39	Torne	then build
01:47:45	Torne	you will get a new setting under battery for usb charging
01:47:54	Torne	if you turn that on it will hopefully start drawing full power
01:48:05	Torne	if it's working it should charge pretty fast, maybe 1-2 hours for a full charge
01:48:11	Torne	even if you are using it
01:48:27	Torne	er, firmware/export/config-ipod4g.h
01:48:29	Torne	sorry :)
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01:48:37	loyx	thanks mang :D
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01:48:40	*	Torne has to go for now; post on FS #8802 with what you find?
01:48:48	loyx	wait..
01:48:50	loyx	one more question?
01:48:56	loyx	what's the comamnd to patch it?
01:49:04	loyx	i just want to make sure, i think last time i tried this i messed it up
01:50:30	pixelma	JdGordon: using pure %Rb (not in a conditional) in an sbs seems to crash the sim at least
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02:08:17	CIA-6	New commit by mc2739 (r23797): Gigibeat S Manual - redo r23795 to look like it was originally meant to look.
02:09:49	xxarthur33xx	Is it easy to make themes?
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02:27:33	froggyman	xxarthur33xx: its not very difficult, but will take some time to learn the WPS tokens
02:28:14	froggyman	see: http://www.rockbox.org/wiki/CustomWPS along with http://www.rockbox.org/wiki/SimpleGuideToWPSMaking
02:28:32	MG_Man	Hey., what's with all the improper themes getting int othe h300 theme section? :P
02:28:34	MG_Man	http://themes.rockbox.org/index.php?target=h300
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02:33:57	MG_Man	Also I dont have a firm grip on .sbs
02:34:08	MG_Man	Does it completely override the .wps while rockbox is in the menu?
02:34:21	MG_Man	Or does it siaplay OVER the wps when rockbox is in the menu?
02:34:42	pixelma	I guess those will work on an H300... (and almost every other target)
02:34:48	MG_Man	If the former, does it use the backdrop or a permanent image (%X) in the .sbs file?
02:36:26	pixelma	even well suited for its LCD remote (though "colours" will differ ;)
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02:40:18	MG_Man	Seems he accidentially submitted to the H300 instead of the new Clip section
02:40:30	MG_Man	Which (judgingby his forum post) is his intended target
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03:04:46	JdGordon	pixelma: which sim?
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06:07:30	loyx	torne if you are here
06:07:32	loyx	i love you
06:07:41	scorche	o_O
06:07:42	loyx	it worked perfectly, came back to my ipod it was fully charged
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07:16:59	pixelma	hmm... even though the screen resolution is the same and the theme will work, the Clip themes on the H300 page could not be used as rwps out of the box (because the files have a .wps extension)
07:19:05	pixelma	they could probably work on the main display too but
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09:17:46	Zagor	which are the better names: ipodvideo/ipodvideo64mb or ipodvideo32mb/ipodvideo64mb ?
09:19:03	Zagor	we use zenvisionm30gb/zenvisionm60gb already
09:19:19	GodEater	the latter
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09:28:45	linuxstb	Zagor: The issue is the bootloader - there is just one. So maybe keep the former, as "ipodvideo" can mean "any model" and "ipodvideo64mb" means "64MB only"
09:29:28	Zagor	what is the difference between zenvisionm 30 & 60? their config.h files look very much alike
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09:31:11	linuxstb	Zagor: What's in tools/configure? Maybe the firmware format differs?
09:31:50	Zagor	ah, indeed. "scramble -creative=zvm" and "scramble -creative=zvm60"
09:37:10	Zagor	I think I'll go with ipodvideo/ipodvideo64mb for now, on the somewhat ad-hoc reasoning that it only has one target in tools/configure and so the 64mb is a "variant"
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09:40:21	linuxstb	Zagor: What about the Archos 8MB builds?
09:43:12	Zagor	linuxstb: same thing
09:43:41	Zagor	recorder/recorder8mb
09:45:50	*	linuxstb rethinks the ipodvideo scenario and wonders if it would be cleaner to use ipodvideo32mb, and release two (identical) bootloaders...
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09:51:09	Zagor	pixelma or anyone else who know the manual: where are the manual/platform tex files references? i.e. where do I change when I rename those files?
09:51:19	Zagor	referenced*
09:52:47	Zagor	ah, tools/configure
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10:05:10	pixelma	reminds me that I find it somewhat annoying to be asked for RAM size if I configure for a manual build... although it doesn't matter much anymore because you have to explicitly use "make manual" now anyway and it's not important what kind of build you configured the directory for (you actually don't need to configure a "manual" build now anymore or there is no use)
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10:07:53	Zagor	it's one of the little details that give character to our build process :)
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11:06:40	kugel	so, we're changing ipodnano to ipodnano1g?
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11:07:06	Zagor	yes
11:07:26	kugel	what is one supposed to do if a new target is added before it's known that there's going to be a 2nd generation?
11:07:35	*	gevaerts would prefer "g1"
11:08:09	Zagor	gevaerts: we already call the ipods 1g 2g 3g 4g. and so does everybody else.
11:08:38	gevaerts	Zagor: I know. It's a bit unfortunate that for the nanos this can overlap with capacities
11:08:38	Zagor	kugel: with the sansas we've added "v2"
11:09:20	kugel	yea, but we didn't change the v1
11:09:53	kugel	I just mean, should we add 1g/v1 to the former generation once a v2/2g is added?
11:10:27	Zagor	kugel: I don't think so in general, no.
11:10:49	kugel	I guess the nano didn't have the 1g in the first place because there was no 2g when it was added?
11:11:32	Bagder	we did move away from 1g 2g etc to 2nd gen etc
11:11:46	Bagder	for the purpose of not confusing it with storage capacity
11:12:42	Zagor	which I think is good. but I also think the ipods are a special case. the 1g 2g system is very well-known to ipod owners.
11:13:13	Bagder	yes, these days I think so but previously that was not the case
11:13:23	kugel	the point is adding consistency isnt it?
11:13:47	Zagor	kugel: so you're proposing we rename ipod1g2g to just "ipod" too?
11:14:28	kugel	I guess so
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11:16:51	Zagor	we already call the minis 1g and 2g too. I don't see the point in leaving nano a special case among the ipods.
11:17:22	pyro_maniac	funman: ping
11:17:41	kugel	but so the ipods are a special case among all other targets?
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11:18:07	Zagor	kugel: yes, insofar that I don't think other targets should get such "g" names
11:18:30	funman	pyro_maniac: pong
11:19:51	kugel	well, I don't really mind, but that isn't the consistency we aimed for I think
11:19:55	pyro_maniac	funman: a forum user sent me some diagrams for samsung yh-925. i would like to forward it to you to have a look at this
11:20:13	funman	pyro_maniac: you want to talk with kugel i think, i only have a yh-920
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11:20:29	funman	what kind of diagram is it ?
11:20:38	Zagor	kugel: the consistency is to have the same name everywhere. not primarily to define a mathematical formula for target names
11:21:30	Zagor	for such "damn the torpedoes" consistency we'd have to rename most of the ipods. what good would that do?
11:21:57	funman	easiness to name new models
11:22:15	Bagder	we would still have a guide for new models
11:22:32	Zagor	we already have an easy system for new models.
11:22:32	pyro_maniac	funman: main schematic, block diagram, part list and a cover that says "service manual"
11:22:42	Zagor	what kugel is proposing is to rename old models to fit the new scheme
11:22:49	funman	pyro_maniac: just attach it to the wiki page if you think it's useful for development
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11:22:53	Zagor	ipodv4
11:23:18	Bagder	Zagor: yeah, but I agree with you on that. We should not go there
11:23:22	pyro_maniac	funman: i wanted to ask first because law restrictions
11:23:55	Zagor	if sandisk had given their different c200 versions names, we'd be using those too
11:24:38	funman	well i have no idea, check if the document specifies it can be redistributed, or ask the guy where he got it from
11:25:46	kugel	pyro_maniac: we better keep it non-public until we know what it is
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11:26:06	kugel	it sounds like it would be PP documents
11:31:07	pyro_maniac	kugel: did my link arrived you or should i mail it to you?
11:31:23	kugel	pyro_maniac: gt it, thankls
11:31:32	kugel	it doesn't seem terribly useful though
11:32:41	pyro_maniac	even the main schematic?
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11:38:16	pyro_maniac	and the block device is another argument for fm support in yh-925
11:38:31	pyro_maniac	s/device/diagram
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12:25:25	kugel	pyro_maniac: I can't read schematics well :) it at least shows us which other parts are in there, but I think we knew those already?
12:27:11	pyro_maniac	couldn't it be useful for fm support? i am not that good at low level, thats why i am asking.
12:27:42	pyro_maniac	and the name PP2020-CPS is confusing me, too.
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12:36:02	kugel	a) no idea, b) same here :)
12:37:09	pyro_maniac	what do you think is the best way to handle these files?
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12:50:46	pyro_maniac	this files seem to be available for the 920 and the 820, too. and first i can see is, that the fm chip is different on the 820
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13:48:42	CIA-6	New commit by mc2739 (r23799): Use correct quotation marks instead of simple apostrophes ...
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14:35:07	kugel	mc2739: what are these `` quotation marks in r23799?
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14:46:58	pixelma	kugel: http://www.rockbox.org/wiki/LatexGuidelines#Quotes
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15:56:54	evilnick_B	RavoxX: Please use English only in this channel, you might want to read the rules which are linked to in the topic
15:57:12	RavoxX	evilnick_B, okay sorry :)
15:57:28	evilnick_B	No problem
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16:01:34	DerPapst	^^
16:03:53	Captain_Haddock	When I select "all tracks" from the database (artist or artist-abum or album), I always get tracks sorted alphabetically irrespective of the album or artist tag. How can I get a playlist of all albums which are played sequentially?
16:04:06	Captain_Haddock	(rockbox 3.4 on a nano)
16:04:10	kugel	you can't :)
16:04:21	Captain_Haddock	kugel: why's that?
16:04:45	kugel	no idea
16:06:43	Captain_Haddock	that's very weird to say the least :\|
16:08:17	Bagder	why use the db for that at all?
16:08:25	Bagder	why not just make a big playlist and play that?
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16:09:51	Captain_Haddock	Bagder: you mean manually?
16:10:01	Captain_Haddock	and save it on the ipod?
16:10:15	Bagder	rockbox can do it for you
16:12:21	Captain_Haddock	Bagder: via the playlist menu? I've tried "create playlist" and it just creates a big playlist sorted by track rather than album, track
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16:15:03	ImperialEagle	can I install rockbox without the standard ipod firmware?
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16:19:17	kugel	Captain_Haddock: random folder advance plugin in can do that for you too, I think
16:20:28	kugel	IIRC it has a non-random mode where it lists you all folders that have music in, where you can deselect flders.
16:26:31	Captain_Haddock	kugel: thanks - this looks like a winner. Oddly enough, there doesn't seem to be a non-random mode.. but the only option is "Play shuffled" which loads all tracks sorted by album,track :\
16:28:26	Captain_Haddock	so now, I can finally select "shuffle" if I want a random track next and set shuffle to off if I want the next track in the album \o/
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16:51:24	Torne	ImperialEagle: technically yes but you still need to have the correct disk layout for the apple rom to be happy, and it's easier not to. why?
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16:54:50	ImperialEagle	accidentally deleted all the stuff on the hdd... but I just managed to borrow a windows comp and get new firmware
16:55:04	ImperialEagle	for future reference though, how would I do that?
16:55:36	GodEater	with ipodpatcher, and careful reading of the documentation that goes with it
16:55:38	GodEater	:D
16:56:28	Torne	when you say deleted all the stuff on the hdd, what do you mean?
16:56:34	Torne	just everything on the exposed FAT partition?
16:56:38	Torne	because that doesn't matter at all
16:56:42	ImperialEagle	complete reformatted it lol
16:56:53	ImperialEagle	not just the fat either, the whole disk
16:56:57	Torne	right
16:57:00	ImperialEagle	was somewhat accidental
16:57:07	Torne	then yes, you would need to recreate all the partitions correctly
16:57:22	Torne	there are instructions on the wiki but it's a fiddly pain ;)
16:57:41	ImperialEagle	yeah.. still good to know how to do it, don't always have access to windows/mac comps
16:57:44	ImperialEagle	thanks :D
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17:00:35	Torne	well you shouldn't ever have to do it again, unless you are very silly ;)
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17:02:33	ImperialEagle	lol, shouldn't is the key word. but yeah, probably won't have to
17:02:43	ImperialEagle	thanks for the help :)
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21:32:51	ipodnoob	hi all. new to rockbox never owned an ipod up until 1hr ago lol
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21:33:23	ipodnoob	I'm only intrested and converting this thing into a external hdd. does anyone know of a plugin or setting that will allow me to do this
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21:33:59	AlexP	Just plug it in to USB and copy files to it
21:35:01	ipodnoob	well I won't be plugin it into a pc
21:35:12	ipodnoob	so it needs to be in disk mode
21:35:13	AlexP	So how can it be an external hard drive then?
21:35:19	ipodnoob	I think i found my answer tho
21:35:31	ipodnoob	select + play/pause on boot
21:35:47	AlexP	What use is an external harddrive that you don't plug into a pc?
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21:36:12	ipodnoob	I will plug it into a pc to move files to it
21:36:29	AlexP	Right...
21:36:34	ipodnoob	but it's going to be connected to a box thats hooked up to my tv
21:36:41	AlexP	yes
21:36:46	AlexP	So just plug it into USB
21:36:53	AlexP	You don't need to do anything special
21:36:57	ipodnoob	a box that isn't a pc
21:37:18	AlexP	It must know how to do USB
21:37:22	AlexP	So just plug it in
21:37:39	ipodnoob	..
21:37:54	AlexP	There is no difference
21:37:54	n1s	!
21:42:50	bluebroth3r	the Ipods do UMS, and that's it. If Itunes is running on the PC it blocks direct access to the drive, but it's still UMS
21:43:30	bluebroth3r	just plug it into a linux box and you'll see.
21:43:49	ipodnoob	ya
21:43:54	ipodnoob	sorry for being a nub
21:44:04	ipodnoob	you were right I hadn't tested it yet
21:44:16	bluebroth3r	you don't even need to use emergency disk mode.
21:44:32	ipodnoob	It wasn't working with the default fw so I assumed it wasn't going to work again
21:44:42	ipodnoob	without some manual usb mode set
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21:46:43	Unhelpful	if i understand correctly, the PC register on arm is the address of the current instruction +8? so, for example, i could fetch from an LUT immediately after the return instruction with something like ldrb r0, [pc, r0] ; b lr ?
21:48:54	TheSeven	probably yes
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21:54:43	archivator	Could someone familiar with the sim please take a look at fs#10816? I tried to pinpoint it earlier but got lost in the sim code :( I might do a bisect to at least pinpoint the commit that broke it..
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21:59:25	Unhelpful	or, as here, a clz based on the debruijn log2 example: http://pastie.org/720480
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22:05:27	Unhelpful	what? loading or calculating an address for the table would cost. :)
22:07:25	TheSeven	reversing that one would be really hard...
22:07:35	Unhelpful	and i thought it might actually do decently for the average case on arm7tdmi. on arm11 the extra interlock cycle for shifted registers would hurt it, but we have a clz instruction there.
22:07:39	*	TheSeven is glad that apple used a rather dumb approach for log2
22:10:34	Unhelpful	we'd hardly have to reverse it if it's in our code (with commments)
22:11:27	Unhelpful	hrm, the mul is invalid, isn't it? unless i change the output register?
22:14:14	amiconn	It isn't
22:14:38	Unhelpful	yes, gcc told me so when i swapped it :)
22:14:52	amiconn	Rd and Rm must not be the same on arm <= v5
22:15:39	Unhelpful	i thought i'd compare some of our clz options... i'll also work up binary-search versions with termination and LUT at various points :)
22:16:02	*	amiconn wonders whether this weird code is really any faster than the more straightforward checks in power-of-two steps
22:18:46	Unhelpful	amiconn: it will likely depend on the input distribution. mul is pretty slow for larger values.
22:19:11	amiconn	Yes, and you have two ldr instructions
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22:28:39	Unhelpful	yes, where even the LUT-assisted binary search can make do with only one, provided it uses adr to load the LUT's address
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22:32:09	amiconn	Or your trick...
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22:32:40	amiconn	Nah, probably won't work since it needs an add afterwards
22:32:45	Unhelpful	amiconn: the trick won't work for those, as the LUT is only used for a few of the bits
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22:34:42	amiconn	Hah, but your trick could be used in ffs-arm.S, saving an instruction :)
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22:39:24	Unhelpful	clz could bit-reverse and then call ffs... ;)
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22:42:19	amiconn	Try that... bit-reversing alnone is probably slower than clz
22:42:58	JdGordon\|	pixelma: did that commit a fwe nights ago fix your %Rb crash?
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22:43:28	gigatheme	anyone here
22:43:48	Unhelpful	amiconn: ah! that ffs is also using a debruijn number, i think :)
22:44:35	gigatheme	im trying to upload a theme for the gigabeat F, get "path too deep" and "file outside" messages
22:45:55	gevaerts	gigatheme: that sounds like your theme isn't packaged properly
22:46:36	gigatheme	checked and rechecked
22:46:48	Unhelpful	we could use essentially the same code to do clzs, only with a different LUT and a different method for isolating a single bit
22:47:06	gevaerts	can you upload it somewhere so someone can have a look at it?
22:47:20	gigatheme	where would i upload a zip
22:48:46	gevaerts	if you don't have webspace somewhere, that's a bit tricky. Can you paste the output of the theme site on http://pastie.org/ ? That will probably at least give some hints
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22:49:49	gigatheme	http://www.fileingy.com/en/file/647/seerv1-zip.html
22:49:57	gigatheme	see if that hosted it
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22:50:38	gigatheme	or here
22:50:39	gigatheme	http://www.fileingy.com/getfile.php?id=647&access_key=a7bc3c67fdef6fd4955884ae09a55a46&t=4b143e95&o=F2C9B834311F64C08842F11E82C1758DF3D5B934311F78C08D42F9568B88738AFA83A7355E553D9C913B921E83C17491&name=seerv1.zip
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22:51:26	gevaerts	the zip file needs to have .rockbox as its base directory
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22:51:48	gigatheme	rockbox is right inside
22:52:18	gigatheme	i followed the theme lines then cross checked it with other themes
22:52:23	gevaerts	rockbox is inside a directory called seerv1.0, not in the base
22:52:51	gevaerts	if other themes look the same, your zip tool is broken
22:53:16	gigatheme	let me try to rezip it
22:54:33	amiconn	Unhelpful: Iiuc it does, but by clever choice it avoids using 'mul'
22:54:48	amiconn	(the table is twice as large though)
22:55:50	gigatheme	ok i know what i did wrong, i compressed the final folder instead of its contents
22:56:14	gigatheme	redid, but still get 4 errors
22:57:02	gigatheme	ok those 4 are my extra files i want to put with it
22:58:38	Unhelpful	amiconn: indeed, and has empty slots, as well, on account of not using an actual debruijn number. the reason my version has the early bail for v==0 is due to the fact that the number it uses provides the index in the top 5 bits, and the non-shifted case leaves them all 0.
22:59:07	Unhelpful	you can't actually use the same trick and get a 0-32 index out, hence the sparse LUT for ffs
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23:01:21	gigatheme	got it −− thanks gevaerts
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23:03:30	amiconn	Unhelpful: The 3 shifted arithmetic instructions need the same number of cycles as your 'ldr' though, not even taking the 'mul' into account
23:07:44	*	Unhelpful had actually done an exhaustive search for a number that could produce the 0-32 index values via shifting before realizing it was somewhat obviously impossible
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23:09:59	Unhelpful	since each 1 bit in the number will occupy the top bit of the index for some shift value, there is no way to have such a number produce 32 as an index, but not produce any greater value
23:12:06	Unhelpful	also any true de bruijn sequence will probably be harder to reduce to a shift/add shift/subtract sequence than the value used in ffs, because of the limit placed on runs of 1s or 0s
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23:23:26	*	LambdaCalculus37 got a Clipv2 from Woot
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23:23:53	LambdaCalculus37	So what's working so far on the clipv2?
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23:25:29	Unhelpful	LambdaCalculus37: those are v2 that just went on woot? :/
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23:29:19	LambdaCalculus37	Unhelpful: A few days ago, yeah.
23:29:33	LambdaCalculus37	But I want to see how far along the port is.
23:29:40	LambdaCalculus37	And I know we don't have sound yet. :)
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23:30:15	Unhelpful	i hadn't realized they were v2. still could be fun to play with, but i've managed to stay out of low-level hardware dev and don't really have plans to change that
23:31:10	krazykit	power on the beast doesn't count though huh ;)
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23:35:44	JdGordon\|	Unhelpful: so you dont want me to send my clip+ to you?
23:36:53	B4gder	what a lovely xmas present! ;-P
23:41:44	Unhelpful	krazykit: true, it seems i get sucked in no matter what :/
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23:42:07	Stephen_	anyone here have access to the theme site ? to delete a theme
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23:44:08	kugel_	Stephen_: which one?
23:44:39	Stephen_	the XL and XL Fuzed for e200/v2. I have uploaded V2 of the themes that fix a bug I discovered today
23:44:48	kugel_	the e200 (or 176x220) has been flooded with themes in the last days :)
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23:44:55	Stephen_	yeah from me :)
23:45:03	Stephen_	updated from the theme site
23:45:29	kugel_	your wish is my command :)
23:45:37	Stephen_	thanks kugel_
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23:45:53	*	JdGordon\| wonders if rasher or scorche want to fix it so updated themes remove the old version?
23:45:56	Stephen_	I still have some more to go aswell it'll be a few days tho.
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23:46:02	JdGordon\|	or how bad the scripts are for someone else to do it?
23:46:17	Stephen_	also in the e200 page there is a spartan black that shouldnt be there
23:46:29	Stephen_	its for the h330/ipod photo/fuze
23:46:42	Stephen_	I am working on a port tho ;)
23:47:19	JdGordon\|	is there any reason to not give users who upload a bunch of themes admin access to the theme site?
23:48:37	kugel_	yes
23:48:47	kugel_	ah you mean manually
23:49:23	Stephen_	thanks for removing them kugel_
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23:56:37	domonoky1	JdGordon\|: the reason is, that this is still on the todo of the theme page :-)
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23:57:03	JdGordon\|	for the updates yeah?
23:57:35	domonoky1	implementing some way to allow uploaders to update their themes..
23:58:18	domonoky1	the theme site is in svn, so you can try to improve it if you can :-)
23:58:39	JdGordon\|	yeah, I got scared last time i looked
23:58:57	JdGordon\|	I wanted to add a feature listing for the themes.. (i.e wps, rwps, sbs, touchscreeen support, etc)

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