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#rockbox log for 2009-11-30

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00:03:56Unhelpfulthe debruijn method might actually perform decently on arm7, where shifted registers don't impose an extra interlock... rounding to a power of two can be 6 cycles (replacing the v = (v >> 1) + 1 with v ^= (v>>1) ), and the multiply can be cheap in the average-input case if operands are ordered correctly, something i didn't know about or try when i benchmarked clz functions
00:04:11Unhelpfulthat method needs to have v==0 special-cased, though
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00:19:55CIA-6New commit by mc2739 (r23795): Gigibeat S Manual - Correct display of manual installation items 'Single Boot' and 'Dual Boot' - add missing frequencies to Recording Settings.
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00:49:03CIA-6New commit by mc2739 (r23796): Manual - fix incorrect reference label for USB HID setting
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01:26:47loyxhey, i updated to the latest version of rockbox. i used to have a problem where, while plugged in, the ipod 4g would recieve no power from the cable. now, i updated, and the ipod decharges while plugged in, however, it does NOT power off, it stays charged by the cable. when i pull out the cable, the ipod instantly powers off.
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01:29:36loyxit charges fine in the regular apple firmware
01:30:12Tornerockbox only draws 100mA from the USB port
01:30:24Tornethis only lets it charge pretty slowly
01:30:32Torneand if you're using hte disk it will indeed discharge
01:30:41Tornesince the disk uses more current than that while active.
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01:32:01Torneit shouldn't matter what version you have, really :)
01:32:13Torneit's never charged properly.
01:33:22loyxtorne: i'm almost definitely sure the HDD in use and i was charging with AC
01:33:34Torneit doesn't matter what you connect it to
01:33:44loyx*hdd wasn't in use
01:33:46Torneit only draws 100mA
01:34:02Tornethe AC charger is still USB power
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01:34:19loyxohh i see
01:34:22loyxbut even still
01:34:26loyxin orig apple firmware
01:34:31loyxit atleast charges when not in use
01:34:32TorneI don't know what the idle power is for 4G
01:34:46Torneit's ~30mA for the video
01:34:50loyxso wouldn't it still be a problem wit h rockbox?
01:34:57Tornewhich means it can still charge, it just takes all night
01:35:05Tornethe 4G may be higher, possibly
01:35:19Torneyes, it's rockbox..
01:35:22Tornei didn't say it wasnt L)
01:35:35Tornewe never set the bit in the power controller telling it it's okay to draw the full 500mA from USB
01:35:42Tornemissing feature.
01:35:56loyxohh i see
01:36:25Tornesee FS #8802
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01:37:19loyxi remember applying that patch in the comments
01:37:32loyxbut that didn't work
01:37:39Torneit does work
01:37:57loyxis that patch in the SVN? i'm about to grab it
01:38:31TorneNo, the patch isn't committed; it's a hack and we can't take it as is
01:38:38Tornethe patch won't work for the 4G unless you modify it
01:38:47Torneit's only configured for video and nano1g
01:39:07loyxohh ok
01:39:10Tornethe 4G has the same power controller so it's likely that the same bit works to enable full charging
01:39:15Tornebut i don't know that anyone has tested it.
01:39:19loyxdo you know what i have to modify to get it working with 4G?
01:39:26Torneyou probably just have to change the #ifdef
01:39:38loyxi'm willing to take a risk, don't really care if this ipod breaks hah
01:39:42Tornei have been meanign to implement proper usb charging support for a while but i haven't gotten around to it
01:39:48Torneit wont' break, it just might do nothing or make it worse :)
01:39:53Tornewell ok, it *probably* won't break
01:40:09Torneif you do test it, please report on the FS entry whether it works ;)
01:40:20loyxsorry for the unrelated question
01:40:26loyxbut compiling rockbox works on cygwin right?
01:40:34Tornethere are instructions ont eh wiki
01:41:16Tornesomeone may eventually get around to implementing usb charging properly
01:41:27Torneunfortunately there are differences of opinion as to what "properly" means in this case :)
01:41:39Tornesince actually obeying the USB spec does not give the behaviour that most people probably want
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01:41:54Tornebut disobeying the spec maybe will one day kill someone's usb device :)
01:42:26loyxso, that's probably why the patch wasn't implemented
01:42:46Tornewell, the patch there just makes it draw 500mA *all the time* if you enable the etting
01:42:56Torneeven if you attach it to a computer which can't provide that
01:43:16Torneso on laptops, or unpowred hubs, or other sources that can't necessarily do that, it produces odd behaviour
01:43:30loyxohh, i see
01:43:33Tornei have tha tpatch in my build and if i plug it into my keyboard's usb hub the keyboard and mouse stop working :)
01:43:46Tornebecause the hub's safety cutouts go off and disconnect *reverything*
01:43:59Tornethis is not ideal
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01:44:09loyxahh ok
01:44:11Torneso, i was gonna try and do a safer approach, but haven't gotten around to it yet.
01:44:17Tornemaybe i will at some point, or someone else will ;)
01:44:19loyxwell for me
01:44:26loyxas long as the battery doesn't discharge while plugged in
01:44:27loyxit's fine
01:44:35loyxbecause i want to use it in my car
01:44:38Torneif you can test hte patch with the appropriate changes to make it take effect on 4G and report back that would be great
01:44:41loyxthen when i want to bring it with me, no power
01:44:48Tornebecause atm it's only been tested on video/nano
01:45:02loyxi'm about to apply the patch
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01:45:32TorneOhh, right, soryr
01:45:35Tornei see the bit htats missing
01:45:46Torneapply the patch as is
01:45:49loyxdo you have a version that you want to send me?
01:45:56loyxor just download the one in 8802
01:45:58loyxthat's in the comments
01:46:05Tornejust apply the one from 8802
01:46:10Tornebut then youneed to edit the config.h for your player
01:46:11Torneone sec
01:46:38Torneis yours a 4g or a color?
01:46:45loyx4G with the black and white screen
01:47:03loyxand speak of the devil
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01:47:11loyxmy mouse just disconnected when it went into the apple firmware, hahahahh
01:47:18Torneok. apply the patch as it is, and then edit firmware/config/config-ipod4g.h
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01:47:20Torneadd a line that says
01:47:26Torne#define HAVE_USB_CHARGING_ENABLE
01:47:39Tornethen build
01:47:45Torneyou will get a new setting under battery for usb charging
01:47:54Torneif you turn that on it will hopefully start drawing full power
01:48:05Torneif it's working it should charge pretty fast, maybe 1-2 hours for a full charge
01:48:11Torneeven if you are using it
01:48:27Torneer, firmware/export/config-ipod4g.h
01:48:29Tornesorry :)
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01:48:37loyxthanks mang :D
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01:48:40*Torne has to go for now; post on FS #8802 with what you find?
01:48:50loyxone more question?
01:48:56loyxwhat's the comamnd to patch it?
01:49:04loyxi just want to make sure, i think last time i tried this i messed it up
01:50:30pixelmaJdGordon: using pure %Rb (not in a conditional) in an sbs seems to crash the sim at least
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02:08:17CIA-6New commit by mc2739 (r23797): Gigibeat S Manual - redo r23795 to look like it was originally meant to look.
02:09:49xxarthur33xxIs it easy to make themes?
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02:27:33froggymanxxarthur33xx: its not very difficult, but will take some time to learn the WPS tokens
02:28:14froggymansee: along with
02:28:32MG_ManHey., what's with all the improper themes getting int othe h300 theme section? :P
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02:33:57MG_ManAlso I dont have a firm grip on .sbs
02:34:08MG_ManDoes it completely override the .wps while rockbox is in the menu?
02:34:21MG_ManOr does it siaplay OVER the wps when rockbox is in the menu?
02:34:42pixelmaI guess those will work on an H300... (and almost every other target)
02:34:48MG_ManIf the former, does it use the backdrop or a permanent image (%X) in the .sbs file?
02:36:26pixelmaeven well suited for its LCD remote (though "colours" will differ ;)
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02:40:18MG_ManSeems he accidentially submitted to the H300 instead of the new Clip section
02:40:30MG_ManWhich (judgingby his forum post) is his intended target
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03:04:46JdGordonpixelma: which sim?
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03:16:39CIA-6New commit by jdgordon (r23798): fix segfault on %Rb token
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06:07:30loyxtorne if you are here
06:07:32loyxi love you
06:07:42loyxit worked perfectly, came back to my ipod it was fully charged
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07:16:59pixelmahmm... even though the screen resolution is the same and the theme will work, the Clip themes on the H300 page could not be used as rwps out of the box (because the files have a .wps extension)
07:19:05pixelmathey could probably *work* on the main display too but
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09:17:46Zagorwhich are the better names: ipodvideo/ipodvideo64mb or ipodvideo32mb/ipodvideo64mb ?
09:19:03Zagorwe use zenvisionm30gb/zenvisionm60gb already
09:19:19GodEaterthe latter
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09:28:45linuxstbZagor: The issue is the bootloader - there is just one. So maybe keep the former, as "ipodvideo" can mean "any model" and "ipodvideo64mb" means "64MB only"
09:29:28Zagorwhat is the difference between zenvisionm 30 & 60? their config.h files look very much alike
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09:29:54*linuxstb shrugs
09:31:11linuxstbZagor: What's in tools/configure? Maybe the firmware format differs?
09:31:50Zagorah, indeed. "scramble -creative=zvm" and "scramble -creative=zvm60"
09:37:10ZagorI think I'll go with ipodvideo/ipodvideo64mb for now, on the somewhat ad-hoc reasoning that it only has one target in tools/configure and so the 64mb is a "variant"
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09:40:21linuxstbZagor: What about the Archos 8MB builds?
09:43:12Zagorlinuxstb: same thing
09:45:50*linuxstb rethinks the ipodvideo scenario and wonders if it would be cleaner to use ipodvideo32mb, and release two (identical) bootloaders...
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09:51:09Zagorpixelma or anyone else who know the manual: where are the manual/platform tex files references? i.e. where do I change when I rename those files?
09:52:47Zagorah, tools/configure
10:05:10pixelmareminds me that I find it somewhat annoying to be asked for RAM size if I configure for a manual build... although it doesn't matter much anymore because you have to explicitly use "make manual" now anyway and it's not important what kind of build you configured the directory for (you actually don't need to configure a "manual" build now anymore or there is no use)
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10:07:53Zagorit's one of the little details that give character to our build process :)
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10:22:40Zagornew patches uploaded to fs#10819
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11:06:40kugelso, we're changing ipodnano to ipodnano1g?
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11:07:26kugelwhat is one supposed to do if a new target is added before it's known that there's going to be a 2nd generation?
11:07:35*gevaerts would prefer "g1"
11:08:09Zagorgevaerts: we already call the ipods 1g 2g 3g 4g. and so does everybody else.
11:08:38gevaertsZagor: I know. It's a bit unfortunate that for the nanos this can overlap with capacities
11:08:38Zagorkugel: with the sansas we've added "v2"
11:09:20kugelyea, but we didn't change the v1
11:09:53kugelI just mean, should we add 1g/v1 to the former generation once a v2/2g is added?
11:10:27Zagorkugel: I don't think so in general, no.
11:10:49kugelI guess the nano didn't have the 1g in the first place because there was no 2g when it was added?
11:11:32Bagderwe did move away from 1g 2g etc to 2nd gen etc
11:11:46Bagderfor the purpose of not confusing it with storage capacity
11:12:42Zagorwhich I think is good. but I also think the ipods are a special case. the 1g 2g system is very well-known to ipod owners.
11:13:13Bagderyes, these days I think so but previously that was not the case
11:13:23kugelthe point is adding consistency isnt it?
11:13:47Zagorkugel: so you're proposing we rename ipod1g2g to just "ipod" too?
11:14:28kugelI guess so
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11:16:51Zagorwe already call the minis 1g and 2g too. I don't see the point in leaving nano a special case among the ipods.
11:17:22pyro_maniacfunman: ping
11:17:41kugelbut so the ipods are a special case among all other targets?
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11:18:07Zagorkugel: yes, insofar that I don't think other targets should get such "g" names
11:18:30funmanpyro_maniac: pong
11:19:51kugelwell, I don't really mind, but that isn't the consistency we aimed for I think
11:19:55pyro_maniacfunman: a forum user sent me some diagrams for samsung yh-925. i would like to forward it to you to have a look at this
11:20:13funmanpyro_maniac: you want to talk with kugel i think, i only have a yh-920
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11:20:29funmanwhat kind of diagram is it ?
11:20:38Zagorkugel: the consistency is to have the same name everywhere. not primarily to define a mathematical formula for target names
11:21:30Zagorfor such "damn the torpedoes" consistency we'd have to rename most of the ipods. what good would that do?
11:21:57funmaneasiness to name new models
11:22:15Bagderwe would still have a guide for new models
11:22:32Zagorwe already have an easy system for new models.
11:22:32pyro_maniacfunman: main schematic, block diagram, part list and a cover that says "service manual"
11:22:42Zagorwhat kugel is proposing is to rename old models to fit the new scheme
11:22:49funmanpyro_maniac: just attach it to the wiki page if you think it's useful for development
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11:23:18BagderZagor: yeah, but I agree with you on that. We should not go there
11:23:22pyro_maniacfunman: i wanted to ask first because law restrictions
11:23:55Zagorif sandisk had given their different c200 versions names, we'd be using those too
11:24:38funmanwell i have no idea, check if the document specifies it can be redistributed, or ask the guy where he got it from
11:25:46kugelpyro_maniac: we better keep it non-public until we know what it is
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11:26:06kugelit sounds like it would be PP documents
11:31:07pyro_maniackugel: did my link arrived you or should i mail it to you?
11:31:23kugelpyro_maniac: gt it, thankls
11:31:32kugelit doesn't seem terribly useful though
11:32:41pyro_maniaceven the main schematic?
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11:38:16pyro_maniacand the block device is another argument for fm support in yh-925
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12:25:25kugelpyro_maniac: I can't read schematics well :) it at least shows us which other parts are in there, but I think we knew those already?
12:27:11pyro_maniaccouldn't it be useful for fm support? i am not that good at low level, thats why i am asking.
12:27:42pyro_maniacand the name PP2020-CPS is confusing me, too.
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12:36:02kugela) no idea, b) same here :)
12:37:09pyro_maniacwhat do you think is the best way to handle these files?
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12:50:46pyro_maniacthis files seem to be available for the 920 and the 820, too. and first i can see is, that the fm chip is different on the 820
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13:48:42CIA-6New commit by mc2739 (r23799): Use correct quotation marks instead of simple apostrophes ...
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13:59:46Torneloyx: hehe
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14:35:07kugelmc2739: what are these `` quotation marks in r23799?
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14:47:46kugelpixelma: alright, thanks. It looked strange to me
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15:52:30RavoxXach, DerPapst auch hier, grüß gott
15:56:54evilnick_BRavoxX: Please use English only in this channel, you might want to read the rules which are linked to in the topic
15:57:12RavoxXevilnick_B, okay sorry :)
15:57:28evilnick_BNo problem
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16:03:53Captain_HaddockWhen I select "all tracks" from the database (artist or artist-abum or album), I always get tracks sorted alphabetically irrespective of the album or artist tag. How can I get a playlist of all albums which are played sequentially?
16:04:06Captain_Haddock(rockbox 3.4 on a nano)
16:04:10kugelyou can't :)
16:04:21Captain_Haddockkugel: why's that?
16:04:45kugelno idea
16:06:43Captain_Haddockthat's very weird to say the least :|
16:08:17Bagderwhy use the db for that at all?
16:08:25Bagderwhy not just make a big playlist and play that?
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16:09:51Captain_HaddockBagder: you mean manually?
16:10:01Captain_Haddockand save it on the ipod?
16:10:15Bagderrockbox can do it for you
16:12:21Captain_HaddockBagder: via the playlist menu? I've tried "create playlist" and it just creates a big playlist sorted by track rather than album, track
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16:15:03ImperialEaglecan I install rockbox without the standard ipod firmware?
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16:19:17kugelCaptain_Haddock: random folder advance plugin in can do that for you too, I think
16:20:28kugelIIRC it has a non-random mode where it lists you all folders that have music in, where you can deselect flders.
16:26:31Captain_Haddockkugel: thanks - this looks like a winner. Oddly enough, there doesn't seem to be a non-random mode.. but the only option is "Play shuffled" which loads all tracks sorted by album,track :\
16:28:26Captain_Haddockso now, I can finally select "shuffle" if I want a random track next and set shuffle to off if I want the next track in the album \o/
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16:51:24TorneImperialEagle: technically yes but you still need to have the correct disk layout for the apple rom to be happy, and it's easier not to. why?
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16:54:50ImperialEagleaccidentally deleted all the stuff on the hdd... but I just managed to borrow a windows comp and get new firmware
16:55:04ImperialEaglefor future reference though, how would I do that?
16:55:36GodEaterwith ipodpatcher, and careful reading of the documentation that goes with it
16:56:28Tornewhen you say deleted *all* the stuff on the hdd, what do you mean?
16:56:34Tornejust everything on the exposed FAT partition?
16:56:38Tornebecause that doesn't matter at all
16:56:42ImperialEaglecomplete reformatted it lol
16:56:53ImperialEaglenot just the fat either, the whole disk
16:57:00ImperialEaglewas somewhat accidental
16:57:07Tornethen yes, you would need to recreate all the partitions correctly
16:57:22Tornethere are instructions on the wiki but it's a fiddly pain ;)
16:57:41ImperialEagleyeah.. still good to know how to do it, don't always have access to windows/mac comps
16:57:44ImperialEaglethanks :D
17:00:35Tornewell you shouldn't ever have to do it again, unless you are very silly ;)
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17:02:33ImperialEaglelol, *shouldn't* is the key word. but yeah, probably won't have to
17:02:43ImperialEaglethanks for the help :)
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17:56:38RavoxXPics of Creative Zen Touch - if you need:
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20:38:11JdGordon|anyone got a onda vx747 image for the theme site?
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21:32:51ipodnoobhi all. new to rockbox never owned an ipod up until 1hr ago lol
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21:33:23ipodnoobI'm only intrested and converting this thing into a external hdd. does anyone know of a plugin or setting that will allow me to do this
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21:33:59AlexPJust plug it in to USB and copy files to it
21:35:01ipodnoobwell I won't be plugin it into a pc
21:35:12ipodnoobso it needs to be in disk mode
21:35:13AlexPSo how can it be an external hard drive then?
21:35:19ipodnoobI think i found my answer tho
21:35:31ipodnoobselect + play/pause on boot
21:35:47AlexPWhat use is an external harddrive that you don't plug into a pc?
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21:36:12ipodnoobI will plug it into a pc to move files to it
21:36:34ipodnoobbut it's going to be connected to a box thats hooked up to my tv
21:36:46AlexPSo just plug it into USB
21:36:53AlexPYou don't need to do anything special
21:36:57ipodnooba box that isn't a pc
21:37:18AlexPIt must know how to do USB
21:37:22AlexPSo just plug it in
21:37:54AlexPThere is no difference
21:42:50bluebroth3rthe Ipods do UMS, and that's it. If Itunes is running on the PC it blocks direct access to the drive, but it's still UMS
21:43:30bluebroth3rjust plug it into a linux box and you'll see.
21:43:54ipodnoobsorry for being a nub
21:44:04ipodnoobyou were right I hadn't tested it yet
21:44:16bluebroth3ryou don't even need to use emergency disk mode.
21:44:32ipodnoobIt wasn't working with the default fw so I assumed it wasn't going to work again
21:44:42ipodnoobwithout some manual usb mode set
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21:46:43Unhelpfulif i understand correctly, the PC register on arm is the address of the current instruction +8? so, for example, i could fetch from an LUT immediately after the return instruction with something like ldrb r0, [pc, r0] ; b lr ?
21:48:54TheSevenprobably yes
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21:54:43archivatorCould someone familiar with the sim please take a look at fs#10816? I tried to pinpoint it earlier but got lost in the sim code :( I might do a bisect to at least pinpoint the commit that broke it..
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21:59:25Unhelpfulor, as here, a clz based on the debruijn log2 example:
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22:01:25*TheSeven glares at that awful code
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22:05:27Unhelpfulwhat? loading or calculating an address for the table would cost. :)
22:07:25TheSevenreversing that one would be really hard...
22:07:35Unhelpfuland i thought it might actually do decently for the average case on arm7tdmi. on arm11 the extra interlock cycle for shifted registers would hurt it, but we have a clz instruction there.
22:07:39*TheSeven is glad that apple used a rather dumb approach for log2
22:10:34Unhelpfulwe'd hardly have to reverse it if it's in our code (with commments)
22:11:27Unhelpfulhrm, the mul is invalid, isn't it? unless i change the output register?
22:14:14amiconnIt isn't
22:14:38Unhelpfulyes, gcc told me so when i swapped it :)
22:14:52amiconnRd and Rm must not be the same on arm <= v5
22:15:39Unhelpfuli thought i'd compare some of our clz options... i'll also work up binary-search versions with termination and LUT at various points :)
22:16:02*amiconn wonders whether this weird code is really any faster than the more straightforward checks in power-of-two steps
22:18:46Unhelpfulamiconn: it will likely depend on the input distribution. mul is pretty slow for larger values.
22:19:11amiconnYes, and you have two ldr instructions
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22:28:39Unhelpfulyes, where even the LUT-assisted binary search can make do with only one, provided it uses adr to load the LUT's address
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22:32:09amiconnOr your trick...
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22:32:40amiconnNah, probably won't work since it needs an add afterwards
22:32:45Unhelpfulamiconn: the trick won't work for those, as the LUT is only used for a few of the bits
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22:34:42amiconnHah, but your trick could be used in ffs-arm.S, saving an instruction :)
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22:39:24Unhelpfulclz could bit-reverse and then call ffs... ;)
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22:42:19amiconnTry that... bit-reversing alnone is probably slower than clz
22:42:58JdGordon|pixelma: did that commit a fwe nights ago fix your %Rb crash?
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22:43:28gigathemeanyone here
22:43:48Unhelpfulamiconn: ah! that ffs is also using a debruijn number, i think :)
22:44:35gigathemeim trying to upload a theme for the gigabeat F, get "path too deep" and "file outside" messages
22:45:55gevaertsgigatheme: that sounds like your theme isn't packaged properly
22:46:36gigathemechecked and rechecked
22:46:48Unhelpfulwe could use essentially the same code to do clzs, only with a different LUT and a different method for isolating a single bit
22:47:06gevaertscan you upload it somewhere so someone can have a look at it?
22:47:20gigathemewhere would i upload a zip
22:48:46gevaertsif you don't have webspace somewhere, that's a bit tricky. Can you paste the output of the theme site on ? That will probably at least give some hints
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22:49:57gigathemesee if that hosted it
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22:50:38gigathemeor here
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22:51:26gevaertsthe zip file needs to have .rockbox as its base directory
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22:51:48gigathemerockbox is right inside
22:52:18gigathemei followed the theme lines then cross checked it with other themes
22:52:23gevaertsrockbox is inside a directory called seerv1.0, not in the base
22:52:51gevaertsif other themes look the same, your zip tool is broken
22:53:16gigathemelet me try to rezip it
22:54:33amiconnUnhelpful: Iiuc it does, but by clever choice it avoids using 'mul'
22:54:48amiconn(the table is twice as large though)
22:55:50gigathemeok i know what i did wrong, i compressed the final folder instead of its contents
22:56:14gigathemeredid, but still get 4 errors
22:57:02gigathemeok those 4 are my extra files i want to put with it
22:58:38Unhelpfulamiconn: indeed, and has empty slots, as well, on account of not using an actual debruijn number. the reason my version has the early bail for v==0 is due to the fact that the number it uses provides the index in the top *5* bits, and the non-shifted case leaves them all 0.
22:59:07Unhelpfulyou can't actually use the same trick and get a 0-32 index out, hence the sparse LUT for ffs
23:01:21gigathemegot it −− thanks gevaerts
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23:03:30amiconnUnhelpful: The 3 shifted arithmetic instructions need the same number of cycles as your 'ldr' though, not even taking the 'mul' into account
23:07:44*Unhelpful had actually done an exhaustive search for a number that could produce the 0-32 index values via shifting before realizing it was somewhat obviously impossible
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23:09:59Unhelpfulsince each 1 bit in the number will occupy the top bit of the index for some shift value, there is no way to have such a number produce 32 as an index, but not produce any greater value
23:12:06Unhelpfulalso any true de bruijn sequence will *probably* be harder to reduce to a shift/add shift/subtract sequence than the value used in ffs, because of the limit placed on runs of 1s or 0s
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23:23:26*LambdaCalculus37 got a Clipv2 from Woot
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23:23:53LambdaCalculus37So what's working so far on the clipv2?
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23:25:29UnhelpfulLambdaCalculus37: those are v2 that just went on woot? :/
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23:29:19LambdaCalculus37Unhelpful: A few days ago, yeah.
23:29:33LambdaCalculus37But I want to see how far along the port is.
23:29:40LambdaCalculus37And I know we don't have sound yet. :)
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23:30:15Unhelpfuli hadn't realized they were v2. still could be fun to play with, but i've managed to stay out of low-level hardware dev and don't really have plans to change that
23:31:10krazykitpower on the beast doesn't count though huh ;)
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23:35:44JdGordon|Unhelpful: so you dont want me to send my clip+ to you?
23:36:53B4gderwhat a lovely xmas present! ;-P
23:41:44Unhelpfulkrazykit: true, it seems i get sucked in no matter what :/
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23:42:07Stephen_anyone here have access to the theme site ? to delete a theme
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23:44:08kugel_Stephen_: which one?
23:44:39Stephen_the XL and XL Fuzed for e200/v2. I have uploaded V2 of the themes that fix a bug I discovered today
23:44:48kugel_the e200 (or 176x220) has been flooded with themes in the last days :)
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23:44:55Stephen_yeah from me :)
23:45:03Stephen_updated from the theme site
23:45:29kugel_your wish is my command :)
23:45:37Stephen_thanks kugel_
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23:45:53*JdGordon| wonders if rasher or scorche want to fix it so updated themes remove the old version?
23:45:56Stephen_I still have some more to go aswell it'll be a few days tho.
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23:46:02JdGordon|or how bad the scripts are for someone else to do it?
23:46:17Stephen_also in the e200 page there is a spartan black that shouldnt be there
23:46:29Stephen_its for the h330/ipod photo/fuze
23:46:42Stephen_I am working on a port tho ;)
23:47:19JdGordon|is there any reason to not give users who upload a bunch of themes admin access to the theme site?
23:48:47kugel_ah you mean manually
23:49:23Stephen_thanks for removing them kugel_
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23:56:37domonoky1JdGordon|: the reason is, that this is still on the todo of the theme page :-)
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23:57:03JdGordon|for the updates yeah?
23:57:35domonoky1implementing some way to allow uploaders to update their themes..
23:58:18domonoky1the theme site is in svn, so you can try to improve it if you can :-)
23:58:39JdGordon|yeah, I got scared last time i looked
23:58:57JdGordon|I wanted to add a feature listing for the themes.. (i.e wps, rwps, sbs, touchscreeen support, etc)

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