#rockbox 2009-12-02

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#rockbox log for 2009-12-02

00:00:19	FlynDice	Could I get a fuze & clip test on this patch: http://pastie.org/722692. It appears we don't use the IDE AHB interface for the AMS Sansas. The e200v2 for sure and I'm guessing the others also.
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00:19:22	saratoga	Buschel: (for the logs) i'm looking at the AAC-HE spec quickly and am curious about the relationship to the filterbank used in MPC
00:19:46	saratoga	MPC is based on the PQF and not the QMF correct?
00:20:33	saratoga	I understand that the two involve a trade off in transient response and alias cancellation, but I also see the used interchangeably WRT to AAC-HE
00:20:41	B4gder	www.rockbox.org served 64GB of data during november 2009. Counting 145365 unique visitors
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00:25:22	kugel_	B4gder: sounds good :)
00:26:04	saratoga	also is "analysis QMF" just mean the forward filterbank and "synthesis QMF" just mean "inverse filterbank"
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00:26:37	kugel_	B4gder: any plan about the download stats? I'm wondering how successful the unstable ports are
00:26:49	B4gder	build.rockbox.org served 70GB to 47560 unique visitors
00:27:14	B4gder	well, I only have dl stats for the build server
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00:27:34	B4gder	fuze wins there, 5300 dls
00:28:11	saratoga	does the build server serve a substantial portion of downloads?
00:28:11	B4gder	sansa e200 4800, ipodnano2g 4400, ipodvideo 3650, sansa e200v2 3200
00:28:27	B4gder	I doubt that, but I have no real numbers
00:28:35	kugel_	wow, the fuze is in the "top 1" already?
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00:28:50	B4gder	the download mirrors that hand out the real downloads are completely off my hands and stats
00:28:57	kugel_	so, 3 of the top 5 are unstable ones
00:28:59	saratoga	what would be needed to get exact download figures?
00:29:17	B4gder	I'd need to get numbers from the mirror admins
00:29:45	saratoga	that would be videolan?
00:29:53	B4gder	kugel_: yes, unstable ones can only be gotten there while all stable ones can be gotten elsewhere, so the numbers aren't telling everything
00:30:14	kugel_	"elsewhere"?
00:30:21	B4gder	saratoga: yes, videolan runs one of them, the other being Positive Internet
00:30:29	B4gder	kugel_: download.rockbox.org
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00:30:55	kugel_	ah, so build.rb.org doesn't include releases at all
00:31:16	B4gder	exactly
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00:33:13	saratoga	video lan has stats for their downloads
00:33:24	saratoga	i wonder if we could get them to tell us ours
00:33:47	B4gder	yeah, I remember I once had some stats of their rockbox mirror...
00:34:00	saratoga	it'd be neat to know at least
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00:34:46	B4gder	I agree
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00:38:30	B4gder	http://rockbox.pastebin.com/f56421da6 is the build.rockbox.org numbers slightly more complete
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01:15:04	moonscapex	Any requests for an SBS on cabbiev2?
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01:19:21	moonscapex	Any idea when 3.5 is going to be released?
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01:23:05	krazykit	dec 23, presumably
01:23:22	moonscapex	good
01:23:52	krabador	krazykit, great christmas gift
01:24:36	krabador	krazykit, a 3.5 feature plan'
01:24:37	krabador	?
01:25:28	krazykit	whatever was and will get committed between the last release and the feature freeze before the next one
01:26:00	krazykit	well, provided that such features work well enough, anyway
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01:27:02	krabador	krazykit, a list of features on developing ?
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01:31:58	krazykit	well, there's http://www.rockbox.org/since34.html
01:32:08	krazykit	but it's not exactly a pleasant list
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01:42:23	Juozapas	hi! rockbox shows some special icon when battery is full charged? Ipod mini 2nd
01:42:48	Galois	no, it just stops animating
01:43:57	Juozapas	ok, but it also stop charging ? i mean, it's save to leave ipod charging for night or more time
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01:44:08	Juozapas	?
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01:52:29	lazyguy	can i get some help with sansa c200v2
01:52:40	lazyguy	followed the instructions and cant get it to work
01:53:34	Telos	Hey, I'm new to all of this sorta stuff.. the auto installer is asking me for the original firmware as a .bin file. Where would I find that? On the device, or do I download that somewhere?
01:54:01	Galois	yes, it's got a smart charger built in to the battery
01:54:20	Telos	and if it's important - I'm attempting to install it on a FUZE.
01:55:21	krazykit	Telos, you'd download it from sandisk
01:56:03	Telos	Thanks. Would it be the Firmwear Updater they have on their site?
01:56:22	Telos	*ware
01:56:24	krazykit	no, you want the "manual" way. it should be a zip file
01:56:50	Telos	Ah. Alrighty. I'll look for it. Thanks again
01:57:04	krazykit	i believe the rockbox wiki has a link to the relevant thread for the firmware
01:58:18	Telos	K, I'll check there
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01:58:25	krazykit	here: http://daniel.haxx.se/sansa/amsfw.html#fuze
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02:00:03	Telos	And, should I be getting the earliest or the newest version?
02:00:22	krazykit	it doesn't particularly matter, as long as you're getting the correct one for your model
02:00:34	Telos	Ah. Alright. Thanks a ton
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02:02:05	Telos	installer's going through with out any issues :D
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02:06:03	Telos	Don't think I did it right. I powered down and then restarted, as instructed, and it started back up in the default fuze system
02:09:05	Telos	My currently installed packages are showing up correctly, though. huh.
02:10:26	krazykit	i believe you should have seen an "upgrading firmware" on the screen
02:10:50	Telos	Saw 'waiting' I think. I can redo it, though
02:11:23	Telos	er, writing, actually
02:12:24	krazykit	i believe that's only the normal connection. after the rockbox utility tells you to restart it, it ought to upgrade the firmware and reboot into rockbox
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02:12:44	krazykit	if it didn't do that, you need to reinstall the bootloader
02:12:53	Telos	Alrighty. I'll try that.
02:13:42	Telos	Because, all that happened was when I unplugged the USB cable, it said updating media or something like that, then stayed normal. I rebooted, and it just came back up in to the Fuze default
02:14:20	krazykit	ah, then the bootloader wasn't installed.
02:14:48	Telos	Using the rockbox utility in install it now.
02:15:26	Telos	Saying it was installed successfully. Should I reinstall the rockbox firmware and reboot, or just reboot now?
02:16:15	krazykit	i actually haven't used the rockbox utility for this, so i'm not sure what the exact steps are
02:16:33	Telos	Ah. Did it manually?
02:16:41	krazykit	yes, for the clip
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02:16:46	Telos	Ah
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02:17:54	krazykit	what is the firmware version of your fuze, as reported by the info(i think) screen?
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02:19:07	Telos	Version 2.02.26A
02:19:24	Telos	Maybe I hould have downloaded the V2 firmwear bin, then?
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02:19:25	krazykit	ah, that's why. you have a v2 fuze, which has no code for it in rockbox right now
02:19:27	Telos	*ware
02:19:31	Telos	D:
02:19:33	Telos	Damn
02:19:40	Telos	So I won't be able to use it?
02:20:27	krazykit	nope. according to the SansaAMS wiki page, it doesn't work at all
02:20:40	Telos	bleh... that sucks.
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02:21:05	Telos	I may be returning the thing tonight, then. I -hate- the default system
02:22:08	Telos	There's no way to downgrade to the original, or does the device have different hardware?
02:22:28	krazykit	it's different hardware
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02:23:11	Telos	Man, that blows.
02:29:15	Telos	There isn't even like a trial/work in progress firmware out for the v2?
02:29:20	soap	Sandisk is a one-company IT stimulus plan. New hardware every fortnight.
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02:56:41	CIA-6	New commit by rmenes (r23813): Start committing plugin keymaps for the Philips GoGear SA9200. ...
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03:15:09	CIA-6	New commit by rmenes (r23814): Fix red.
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03:52:44	Jose2	is there a trigtype that does both pause and new file ?
03:53:07	Jose2	(for recording)
03:53:25	mc2739	LambdaCalculus37: ping
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04:09:26	LambdaCalculus37	mc2739: Pong
04:10:03	LambdaCalculus37	Where's that red coming from?
04:10:30	mc2739	you left a continuation on line 1107
04:11:02	LambdaCalculus37	mc2739: Ahh, snap! That's what that was!
04:11:27	mc2739	the first go you forgat \|\|
04:11:34	mc2739	/forgat/forget/
04:12:06	mc2739	ehh -e +o
04:12:26	CIA-6	New commit by rmenes (r23815): Begone, red!
04:12:55	LambdaCalculus37	mc2739: There, that should take care of it!
04:13:20	mc2739	yep, that should work
04:16:21	LambdaCalculus37	I'll add brickmania to the list later on.
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04:17:28	LambdaCalculus37	ARG... more red and now yellow for the HDD1630.
04:19:12	CIA-6	New commit by rmenes (r23816): Red is bad, mmmkay? And this should get rid of all that ...
04:20:33	Jose2	seems like it would be easy to implement, someone else brought it up here:
04:21:19	Jose2	http://forums.rockbox.org/index.php?topic=21187.0
04:22:31	Jose2	if you have an old record being converted into separate mp3 files, after the last song the recorder will keep going indefinitely
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04:30:24	*	Unhelpful thinks there must be better ways to convert than via a DAP...
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04:43:01	FangZor	Is questions relating to current builds considered off-topic?
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04:49:43	FangZor	I was wondering who would I speak to about reporting an error regarding a daily build. I have been able to reproduce a Data Abort error on my Sansa e260 v1
04:50:05	JdGordon	just spit it out :) where's the error?
04:51:15	FangZor	When powering down the player then starting it back up, when the player is a few minutes into the song and you press the back arrow, it freezes for a moment and spears data abort on 000095E0 (0)
04:51:26	FangZor	Spews*
04:54:58	FangZor	It does not Occur if the song just started though.
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04:55:21	JdGordon	what codec?
04:55:43	FangZor	MP3
04:55:52	FangZor	It may of happened with an ogg song too
04:56:10	FangZor	I'll try and see if it reproduces with an ogg song
04:58:51	FangZor	Ok, doesn't happen with an ogg file
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05:01:55	FangZor	I've also tested with multiple songs too, to see if it was just one song, happened to all the ones I test, which apprently were all MP3
05:02:20	FangZor	tested* apparently*
05:04:02	FangZor	Is there anything other information that would help?
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05:52:22	lazyguy	if one of the devs could take a look at this http://forums.rockbox.org/index.php?topic=23263.0 that would be great
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08:39:05	buschel	saratoga: (for the logs) (1) Yes, MPC uses PQF −− the same as in MPEG1/2 - layer 1/2/3. (2) You are right that this filterbank trades off filter length and transient response vs. aliasing suppression and bandwidth. (3) Analysis = decomposition into subbands (encoder, forward), synthesis = composition of subbands to wide band signal (decoder, inverse).
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09:43:58	cool_walking_	Is there any chance that someone remembers a patch for the Sansa e200 (maybe more) that did something like turn off the display when the backlight goes off? This meant quieter recordings, because the LCD makes a bit of noise. I know it was on the tracker, and I think scorche or soap declared their love for it in the forum, but I've searched those two places and not found the patch. This was quite a good few months ago.
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09:45:39	cool_walking_	It might have been committed, I don't know. I've been away a while..
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09:58:20	cool_walking_	Is there a way to find all comments by a certain user on the tracker? =/
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14:17:35	hanselda	Hello all. I have just checkout the svn version of rockbox and tried to compile the wpseditor, got the following error: ld: cannot find -lQPropertyEditord
14:17:52	hanselda	I am using gentoo linux and has all the required package installed.
14:21:42	Zagor	hanselda: have you installed libqt4-dev as mentioned in the README?
14:22:33	hanselda	Hello Zagor. Yes. I am using gentoo so all the head files are installed by default.
14:23:28	Zagor	my test run stopped on ** No rule to make target `libwps_IRIVER_H10.so', needed by `all'.
14:23:51	Zagor	it doesn't appear to be quite up to snuff
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14:47:54	hanselda	Hello. Still another problem. I am using the UIsimulator for Sansa clip. What is the keyboard key corresponds to the center key of the player?
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14:50:04	mc2739	hanselda: it should be 5 on the numeric keypad
14:50:43	hanselda	Oh. I am using a laptop. I see.
14:51:36	hanselda	Is there any other key mapped? Or how can I change that?
14:52:14	mc2739	I use a laptop also, I have to use numlock to activate my numeric keypad
14:52:25	Torne	doesn't your laptop have a numeric keypad on some fn+numlock?
14:59:06	hanselda	Sorry I found it out. The space is also for the select button. It is in the sdl/button.c file.
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15:48:01	fixxxermet	Is / has there been any attemp to use RockBox on a Sandisk Sansa View?
15:48:21	fixxxermet	The stock firmware is just so gaudy
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16:07:21	Linton	I want to fix boomshine so that it doesn't always display white text (even on a white background). Does anyone know how I read LCD_DEFAULT_FG (foreground colour from settings) from within Lua?
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16:21:18	funman	when you need stats of the videolan download server, just ask me or /j #videolan
16:21:45	Bagder	ah nice, yes it would be fun to get some download stats from there
16:22:27	Bagder	I had a url to some stats once, but misplaced the link and I don't know if that is updated anyway
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16:24:10	funman	dionoea: can you give us the download stats of download.rockbox.org (ganesh2.videolan.org) ?
16:28:07	dionoea	funman: http://videolan.org/~videolan/rockbox/
16:29:14	funman	the fuze manual is VERY popualr!
16:30:09	FlynDice	funman: reset loops at the start of system-as3525.c, is there a reason not to get rid of the loops & the ccu_scon =1 if the code runs fine without them? I'll read answer later, on the run right now
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16:32:40	funman	FlynDice: CCU_SCON=1 was needed to get SD transfers working with data cache enabled
16:32:47	funman	FlynDice: the number of loops comes from the OF
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16:54:38	mc2739	Who is building the win32 sims that are hosted by rasher?
16:54:54	*	kugel doesn't believe in the accuracy of the fuze's manual downloads
16:55:17	kugel	mc2739: IIRC soap's machine
16:55:23	kugel	but maybe not
16:55:55	kugel	or scorche's (?)
16:56:33	mc2739	I thought rasher was setting it up on JdGordon's, but I'm not sure
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17:00:26	mc2739	anyway, whoever is building them needs to check the system since they have not been building properly for the last few days.
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20:12:56	MG_Man	Hey, I've got an issue with my h300
20:13:12	MG_Man	After playing cor a couple minutes, the HDD makes a click and the device turns off
20:13:24	MG_Man	No low battery warning (in fact battery was around 50%)
20:13:42	MG_Man	When I turn it on again, the battery meter is empty but then it slowly rises up again
20:14:07	MG_Man	Sometimes it clicks and turns off right after it boots up
20:14:45	kugel	sounds like hardware failure to me
20:15:16	MG_Man	It happened almost immediately after I turned on directory caching and happened 3 times after that when booting, then it boot up and the setting was set back to off
20:15:53	MG_Man	well, that sucks
20:16:00	MG_Man	I wonder if it could be a faulty battery though
20:16:14	MG_Man	I dont think I ruined the charging curcuit, unless the previous owner did it for me
20:16:24	MG_Man	The charger that came with it was 5v 2amp
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20:18:02	MG_Man	if that is indeed the case though, I think Ill hunt down a sansa fuze instead
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20:27:21	JdGordon\|	ignoring the fact that %volume is meaningless.... are there actually any arguments against adding a token for the skins so people can get a "%volume" display happening?
20:27:48	JdGordon\|	its about 3 lines of code to add.. and there have been a few requests recently in the forums for an easy way to do it
20:30:33	domonoky	MG_Man: sounds like a old/dead battery. you can easily replace it, they are cheep.
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20:30:58	MG_Man	I still find it peculiar that it shts off differently than when the battery is actually low
20:31:13	MG_Man	First off, it has no BATTERY LOW! warning, it just snaps off and makes the hDD click reallly loud
20:33:39	MG_Man	Until recently it also happened when playing .SPC files, but it recently happened on an mp3 as well
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20:38:58	domonoky1	if its a dying battery, the voltage might drop fast under load (hd access), so there is no time to display a warning.
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20:39:52	Llorean	JdGordon\|: Percent of decibels? Percent of loudness? Capping at 0db, capping above and showing that as 100%, capping above, but showing that as >100%?
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20:42:06	JdGordon\|	bbs
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21:37:17	gitster	I use rockbox on Fuze and have Quick Screen (long Submenu from WPS) configured to adjust brightness upon Up/Down keys. Unfortunately, Up makes brightness dimmer and Down makes it brighter, which is very unintuitive.
21:37:24	gitster	I am suspecting that this has not been identified as an issue because the default key assignment of Quick Screen gives Shuffle/Repeat/Show Files and for these operations the direction does not matter, Can this be fixed?
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21:39:21	JdGordon\|	yes, up in the QS is previous and down is next
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21:41:32	klapaucjusz	FS #10714: "set the voltage to constant 1.000V now to avoid trouble with the PMU not being able to raise it quick enough". Anyone know the details?
21:41:33	MG_Man	Hmm, well it hasnt happened so far of about 2 hours of playing mp3s
21:41:45	MG_Man	I guess the problem happens when it plays SPCs
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21:49:48	Jaykay	can two identical lang-strings be useful?
21:50:30	n1s	Jaykay: sure, but also wastefull :)
21:51:11	Jaykay	so... erm... are identical lang strings "allowed"?
21:51:16	Llorean	Jaykay: Why is it necessary?
21:51:35	Llorean	Rather than being vague about it, why not describe the situation and ask if identical strings are the best solution?
21:51:48	n1s	tbh though they might be there to enable translations to differ in places where the same string would fit for english
21:51:59	MG_Man	Yep, just SPCs
21:52:06	MG_Man	I guess it just plain old crashes
21:52:12	n1s	but more likely someone just forgot to vheck if the string was already there
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21:53:33	Jaykay	LANG_RECORD_TRIGGER and LANG_SYSFONT_RECORD_TRIGGER are identical... i just saw that
21:53:49	Jaykay	Llorean: nothing is necessary, i wasjust curious
21:54:05	JdGordon\|	the _SYSFONT_ strings shold all have been removed by now i thought?
21:54:07	n1s	Jaykay: the keyword there is SYSFONT
21:54:20	n1s	JdGordon: they should?
21:54:44	n1s	ah, did the rec screen get a "skin"?
21:55:01	JdGordon\|	not yet.. but I thought they were all removed months ago?
21:55:26	JdGordon\|	kugel_: get a chance to look at that patch?
21:55:32	n1s	Jaykay: the sysfont strings are only allowed to use the builtin font, which influences translations
21:56:07	Jaykay	jdgordon\|: there are still tons of sysfont strings :)
21:56:25	Jaykay	n1s: ok, thanks
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23:55:03	*	pamaury has finished object handle & storage api abstraction of his MTP code !
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23:56:43	gevaerts	\☺/
23:57:29	Stephen__	woooo well done
23:57:39	LambdaCalculus37	pamaury: Awesome! :)
23:58:19	pamaury	I would appreciate some feedback on the interface I'm using. You can still find the code http://github.com/pamaury/rockbox/commits/mtp-new. This is still untested (well 2 hours ago it worked but since then, the code has undergone many changes)
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