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#rockbox log for 2009-12-03

00:00:28pamauryIt also probably lack comments but I feel the new organization clarified things a lot.
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01:30:24JohnTeddyI haven't used my rockbox/iPod video in a couple weeks. I just plugged it into my laptop via USB, but it doesn't seem to turn on.
01:30:29JohnTeddyAny tricks that I can try?
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01:49:45emobathtubhey rockboxers
01:49:55emobathtubI have a question. There's a project I'm working on
01:50:02emobathtuband I was wondering If I could get anyone's help on it.
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02:01:30emobathtubmy Sansa e280R is annihilated. my brother formatted it and the screen is broken. Is there anything I can do to fix it?>
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02:13:10emobathtubI was also wondering if there is an easy way to mess with rockbox's settings without using the GUI
02:22:23Strife89Edit the .cfg file in a text editor.
02:23:41emobathtubI'm no rockbox pro but basically, I'm trying to take my broken Sansa e280 and make it into a Sansa Shuffle
02:24:21Strife89Be sure to turn on voice menus (and install a voice file if you haven't already).
02:24:33emobathtubright now i'm doing it on an emulator
02:24:44emobathtubso that i can make everything work in the settings and copy paste it
02:25:00emobathtubshould i enable directory cache?
02:25:26Strife89It shouldn't hurt. :)
02:25:35Strife89I always use it. :)
02:25:57emobathtubalright i fully enabled voice.
02:26:04emobathtubwhat do i need to do to put the voice in?
02:26:09emobathtublike download a ifle?
02:26:21Strife89Yes, you obtain a .voice file.
02:26:42Strife89Link coming up, hang on.
02:29:45emobathtubI also have a broken c250
02:29:51emobathtub(the audio jack is broken)
02:29:55emobathtubThat I have made into a nifty clock
02:30:10emobathtubIs there anyway I can get the thing to, on power on, just load the clock application?
02:31:17evilnick_BSThat does ring a bell
02:31:21*evilnick_BS goes to check
02:31:37mc2739emobathtub: yes, there is, but you need to modify rhe source and compile your own build
02:32:11emobathtubi don't know how to do that at all
02:32:24emobathtubcan anyone.. do it for me? :P
02:32:25evilnick_BSmc2739: Could auto.rock do that?
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02:33:47mc2739evilnick_BS: yes, that's it. You rename the plugin you want auto started to autorock.rock, but you also need to enable it with a source change
02:34:52mc2739oops, it's autostart.rock
02:35:09evilnick_BSHence me being unable to find it in the wiki :)
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02:36:44emobathtubI tried installing to my sansa..
02:36:54emobathtub"Error writing data length"
02:37:06emobathtub"bulk write error <-5 input/output error>
02:37:11emobathtubUpload of application failed
02:38:13emobathtuboh ignore that
02:38:17emobathtubwrong button
02:42:07emobathtubTHANK YOU SO MUCH
02:44:41emobathtubdo you think physically removing the screen would be bad
02:46:01JdGordonremoving your enter key would probably be better
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04:34:27Unhelpfulamiconn: do you think that it really worth using that pc-relative table hack in ffs-arm.S?
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05:51:02LloreanJdGordon|: Thinking about it, isn't the existing volume conditional basically a percent volume? The only thing it doesn't do is let you have it automatically display the volume as a percent of the total range (which makes little sense anyway, you still probably want to notify mute, full, and clipping as unique statuses)
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06:00:19JdGordoni replied to that effect in the thread
06:01:28LloreanI was just wondering since you also asked about adding in a percent tag.
06:02:10JdGordonyeah, I went to do the code for it and realised the current tag could be used just as easily
06:02:30JdGordonmute|"percent scale"|0dB|>0dB|
06:03:07*JdGordon is reading the thread out of order
06:03:26LloreanWhat happens if <mute | (this part) | 0 | over 0> the "this part" part has more increments than the volume range has?
06:03:37LloreanLike if you literally typed in 1%, 2% .. 98%, 99% in there?
06:03:44LloreanWould it just skip over the unnecessary ones?
06:05:02JdGordonit would round the values I guess...
06:05:21JdGordon*intval = (limit - 3) * (global_settings.volume - sound_min(SOUND_VOLUME) - 1) / (-1 - sound_min(SOUND_VOLUME)) + 2;
06:05:32JdGordonthe -3 gets that "this part" bit
06:06:35JdGordonits not exactly percent.. but it normalises it like he wants
06:07:05JdGordonusing 10 steps would have the effect of "10%" for each step... sort of
06:07:06LloreanIt divides the range of mute+1 to -1db into an arbitrary number of nearly even sized chunks
06:07:21LloreanWhich is what he needs
06:08:31LloreanExcept that one way or another the top range is going to be imbalanced simply because of the positive bits.
06:10:18JdGordonso you have mute|9 steps|0db|100% which will even it out a bit more
06:10:39LloreanThat's what I'd do, yes.
06:10:48LloreanSince mute, 0db, and >0db are all kinda special values anyway
06:10:59JdGordonbut really.. if you care about that precision you shouldnt be using a graphical diasplay
06:12:08JdGordonyes, except of those 3 >0 is the only one which has more that one value...</no shit sherlock>
06:12:28LloreanWell, even Cabbie shows a mute icon for mute, the bar is only full exactly at 0db (so you know when you're at line level) and it turns red if you go into ranges that may clip
06:12:38LloreanIt works rather well, but still "feels" like a simple graphical display
06:12:48JdGordonI really like how the cabbie display works
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06:13:04LloreanMaybe we should just point him at cabbie and say "just substitute your images in there"
06:17:07JdGordonanyon care to test out a patch which is of the "users shouldnt see any difference" type?
06:17:34JdGordonFS #10824
06:28:36HillshumJdGordon: I need to build the crosscompiler, but I might try it
06:30:10JdGordonwhich target? I can do a build for you
06:34:01JdGordonok, trying to fix a bug first thoguh...
06:36:25CIA-6New commit by jdgordon (r23825): fix FS #10674 - make skin debugger count the lines correctly so the line number in the output is actually useful!
06:37:07funmanHillshum: is the FM working on your clip ?
06:37:44Hillshumfunman: Yes
06:38:32Hillshumr23679M (not sure what the M is)
06:38:57*JdGordon decides to update his clip while he's building anyway
06:39:03funmani just hope it's not "magic_fix_for_clip_fm.diff" ;)
06:39:30funmanit's 2 weeks old and my radio stopped working a while before that
06:42:19funmanbertrik: reverting r22641 "Sansa c200v2: fix si4700 tuner initialisation to make it work for the c200v2" fixes FM on my Clip
06:42:48HillshumIs supposed to be multi-threading the compile?
06:43:32JdGordonyou need to change the make command manually in it
06:44:16*Hillshum debates restarting it
06:44:33JdGordonhow many hreads?
06:45:40HillshumJdGordon: I have two cores
06:45:54JdGordonstill probably worth restarting it
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06:51:59HillshumJdGordon: I got it, but I'll not be applying it before bed
06:52:14JdGordonnuts.. ok :)
06:52:18JdGordonlet me know if you see issues
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06:53:53funmanbertrik: where did you get the info needed for r21416 ?
06:53:57*FlynDice has sd cards running at 15 and 31 MHz on his e280v2 with this patch if anyone interested...
06:54:10funmanFlynDice: music plays fine ?
06:54:44FlynDiceyes, getting write errors though on disk 0(internal) that I'm working on
06:55:12FlynDicedon't know if it's the 15 mhz or what right now
06:55:16funmani just commented on your last FS# mentioned on the forum: clip & fuze work fine
06:56:30FlynDicethanks, good, I think the case for ide_clk being MCLK for the internal is starting to gain more confidenc
06:58:39FlynDicebedtime here, back in awhile
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07:23:47JdGordonwe dont supply sim zips do we?
07:25:01evilnicknot on the rb site
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07:33:02Unhelpfulwell, sooner or later there won't be any working devices left ;)
07:37:15JdGordonoh that would be nice
07:44:35JdGordonamiconn: FS #10824 needs charcell testing....
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09:29:55JdGordoneveryone test FS #10824!!!.... it fixes and breaks stuff...
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14:39:05Zagorhow do we synchronize the target rename with rbutil best? simply get a new rbutil package up on the site, or is there some sort of bw-compat deal we can do?
14:46:43linuxstbZagor: I thought the plan was to use symlinks from the old names to the new?
14:47:04*linuxstb pings bluebrother for a view
14:47:45Zagorlinuxstb: yeah, maybe that's the best option.
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15:20:39Zagorwe still a new rbutil though
15:20:50Zagorfor the updated rbutil.ini
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15:55:24CIA-6New commit by mc2739 (r23827): - Do not create zip if build fails. This should prevent working simulator builds being overwritten by failed builds when uploaded to the ...
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16:00:57CIA-6New commit by teru (r23828): rockblox: Correct wrong access to array of highscores.
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17:09:35toffe82I had a strange behavior with rbutils installing on a gigabeat f10
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17:10:24toffe82the f10 had the original firmware, I used rbutil to install rockbox and when trough all the steps bootloader and rockbox with no error
17:10:43toffe82I restart the f10 and no firmware found on the hd
17:11:54toffe82I reinstall again and same problem, I looked the gbsystem and it was missing the fwimage01, the original one was there with the new extension but not the rockbox one
17:12:38toffe82I looked the folder while installing rockbox, the fwimage 01 is created but when I close rbutil , it is erased
17:12:51toffe82did somebody see this before ?
17:13:12toffe82last rbutil with rockbox from yesterday
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18:03:12bluebrotherlinuxstb: pong
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18:04:24linuxstbbluebrother: I was just wondering if you had any ideas about Zagor's question about how to handle the target name changes in rbutil releases.
18:05:24linuxstbbluebrother: e.g. does rbutil check for the availability of an updated rbutil.ini, or an update of rbutil itself?
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18:15:23toffe82bluebrother: did you see what I write before ? problem installing on a F10 with rbutil ?
18:15:48toffe82when I close rbutil , it erase fwimage01 from the gbsytem...
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18:16:39paddy1234I have just installed rockbox and have tried to build the database, it works then asks me to restart, which i do, then i have to build it again. it is a cycle. help?
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18:17:00gevaertspaddy1234: how are you restarting?
18:17:25paddy1234holding down menu and select
18:17:46gevaertsthat's the emergency reset combination
18:18:00gevaertsYou need to shutdown and turn the player on againm
18:18:09paddy1234oh, how do i do that
18:18:56gevaerts (other ipods are the same I think)
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18:21:58paddy1234gevaerts: thankyou, it says "shutting down..." i start it again but it still asks me to "initialize database"
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18:23:58paddy1234gevaerts: thankyou, it says "shutting down..." i start it again but it still asks me to "initialize database"
18:24:47rjgis there any way to get rockbox to behave like the A-B button does in the file browser in the iriver firmware - that is play the selected track next and then continue to play through the folder (and the rest of the filesystem from that point)? the "play next" playlist option just plays that one file then seems to jump away further down the alphabet and play from there
18:26:18paddy1234 I have just installed rockbox and have tried to build the database, it works then asks me to restart, which i do, then i have to build it again. it is a cycle. help?
18:26:40gevaertspaddy1234: I can't remember the sequence exactly. If I remember correctly, you first have to enable the database, then reboot, and then it will actually initialise the database when you go to the database menu
18:27:00*gevaerts doesn't use the database himself
18:27:50Torneyah, i'm pretty sure that's right.
18:27:54Torneenabling the database requires a reboot
18:28:04Tornebut just enabling it doesn't actually *create the database* with all your files in
18:28:18Torneit's still empty after the reboot :)
18:28:19bluebrotherlinuxstb: Rockbox Utility does check for an updated version, but not for an updated rbutil.ini. So releasing a new rbutil should be enough IMO.
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18:29:52bluebrothertoffe82: yeah, spotted your problem but haven't heard about it before. Will try to verify on a faked player later.
18:32:57FlynDiceI'm assuming the red for the player-sim on the build table is not related to my as3525 commits.....
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18:38:37gevaertsFlynDice: it's not, and it's still not clear what causes these unfortunately
18:38:44gevaertsthey are transient
18:39:20FlynDiceI was reading them just to be sure... ya never know I guess
18:39:51gevaertsevery now and then something seems to go wrong with the features file
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18:48:53linuxstbbluebrother: So do you think it's worthwhile creating symlinks, or can we rely on users doing as they're told and updating?
19:04:13bluebrothernot having symlinks would break it for all users until they upgrade. IMO this is a reasonable way to go −− we don't want to encourage using old versions of Rockbox Utility anyway, do we? ;-)
19:06:00bluebrotherbut it might be a good idea to announce such a breakage on the front page.
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19:10:07Casainhodomonoky: hello :-)
19:10:23domonokyCasainho: hi
19:11:20Casainhodomonoky: are you using Mini2440?
19:12:27domonokyonly sometimes for tests :-) not enough time.. damn long working hours..
19:13:12krabadorhi , some rockbox 3.5 target?
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19:13:41krabadorwhat users can expect?
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19:14:00bluebrotherkrabador: watch svn logs or the MajorChanges page
19:15:33Casainhodomonoky: ok... are you doing/developing something on it? like the USB?
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19:16:28Casainhodomonoky: I am not using also my board... it's not useful for me... I hope to have a box to put it inside and then use it as home audio system, at my room
19:16:42domonokyCasainho: is started some USB work, but got stuck.
19:17:26Casainhodomonoky: looks like a lot of people wants players with HDD... what can be the best path to have HDD for Mini2440?
19:17:33krabadorbluebrother, svn isn't things added in daily builds?
19:17:50Casainhodomonoky: stuck? why? :-) you have JTAG debug and all documentation... ;-)
19:18:06domonokyCasainho: the best is probably Bob_Cs HDD adapter board if it works :-)
19:19:14Casainhodomonoky: I am finalizing my 3D printer... I hope to be able to design and print a nice plastic enclosure for it... if so, I hope to be able to offer one for you and other for Bob_C
19:19:41domonokyCasainho: i got the first usb interrupt, but not more.. and i dont know much about USB, so its much work for me to continue this.. (maybe when i have holidays)
19:19:50Casainhodomonoky: USB HDD would be better, I think... because it could have HDD, flash disk, etc... :-)
19:19:52krabadori would know some developer's target (in hopes) for the next 3.5
19:19:54bluebrotherkrabador: svn is things added. Daily builds is svn built once a day
19:20:18bluebrotherkrabador: features aren't planned. They are done when someone does the work
19:20:32krabadorbluebrother, ok
19:20:36Casainhodomonoky: maybe if a developer that knows USB bought that Mini2440... :-)
19:20:38domonokyCasainho: sure, if you get the USB driver working :-)
19:21:23domonokyalso rockbox currently only has USB slave stack.. so you cant connect a USB hd, thats even more work to get a USB Host stack.
19:21:32Casainhodomonoky: maybe we could make a kind of a bounty, for some developer to make USB working on it, not? like offering the hardware? (since it's not really expensive...
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19:22:46domonokyCasainho: you could try the bounty thing, but i dont think that will work... rockbox devs need more free time, not more money :-)
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19:23:11Casainhodomonoky: but I mean giving the hardware, not money...
19:23:18AlexPAnd bounties aren't generally particularly liked
19:23:31AlexPAs most work relies on lots of other people's work
19:23:42CasainhoI would like to offer the hardware inside the enclosure, like a full system...
19:25:32CasainhoI just would like to boost this project, and looks to me that is important for people get the hardware on his hands...
19:26:13*domonoky thinks the hardware as a bounty is difficult. the one developing USB need the hardware before they can begin the work. and what happens if they get stuck, or loose interrest ?
19:27:57Casainhodomonoky: maybe as a compromise to pass it later to other if he do not finish the task
19:28:04domonokyoffering a complete kit (mini2440+case+hd-board) would ofcourse be nice, and could boost development if some devs buy it.
19:29:25CasainhoI would like to sell that package, a full system... however, I know will be illegal because of patents
19:29:38CasainhoI must go now
19:29:44Casainhothanks :-)
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19:38:10domonokyrasher: can you update the theme site from svn ? i commited some fixes
19:38:42rasherI can try. Unfortunately the site as it is running has some uncommitted fixes :\
19:39:23domonokyah you have fixes on theme, which arent in svn ?
19:39:38rasherYeah, I'm afraid so
19:39:55domonokythe first commit those back to svn, hoping for no conflicts :-)
19:40:45domonokyi finally got around to setup my own test theme site, so i plan todo some more changes to the theme site.
19:41:04domonokyso having it in sync with svn would be good :-)
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19:41:34rasherYeah. Problem is I broke my local copy, and I wasn't keen on committing directly from the theme site. I guess there's no harm
19:43:47domonokyyup, commiting the diff from the themesite directly should do no harm, it also doesnt matter if those config files contain the settings from the site, or arbitrary defaults.. so go for it :-)
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19:52:13rasherOh good, conflicts
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19:57:29CIA-6New commit by rasher (r23832): Commit current state of the theme site. Part one.
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19:58:07rasherLet's hope I didn't horribly break something
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20:00:54domonokyrasher: looks like you accidently reverted on fix from me in adminlist.tpl
20:01:24rasherdomonoky: do you mind fixing? I'll svn up
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20:18:40kugelrasher: what changed?
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20:20:18rasherkugel: Bugfixes. I'm sorry about the lack of commit message. The changes were done over the course of what, 6 months, and I rushed a bit to commit it so domonoky could continue
20:21:24rasherI'd have to look at the diff to figure out what changed
20:22:00kugelwas it what the actual theme site was using or is that running from svn?
20:22:20rasherI committed the changes which were on the theme site
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20:32:41*domonoky thinks about allowing theme uploaders to update their themes. There are two ways: checkbox + unique key from emailvalidation on the upload page (easier) or build a complete user area where users can log in, and manage their themes (similar to the admin view but only with their own themes)
20:33:04JdGordon||2nd sounds good
20:33:13JdGordon||+ lots of work :)
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20:34:10domonoky2nd is more work, and also requires database restructuring (there is no table for uploaders for now, they are stored in the themes table)
20:34:20JdGordon||it would actually be nice to let other people update themes they don't own
20:34:38JdGordon||that might need a moderation step though
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20:34:57domonoky1st is pretty easy, and only needs a new column in the db (currently the code for emailvalidation is reset, so we need to safe it at another place too)
20:38:01JdGordon||keys would be annoying for users wouldnt it? unless each user has one key for all their themes
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20:39:47domonoky1we already send a key for email validation for every theme you add. but at the moment we delete the key in the db, when the user has confirmed the theme.
20:40:17kugelwhy can't just everybody update any theme?
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20:40:43domonoky1kugel: because the you somehow need to moderate it, you will get vandalismus.
20:41:11JdGordon||can we tie the file storage in with svn?
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20:41:24kugeldoesn't/didn't that system work for years in the wiki (including WpsGallery)?
20:41:26bluebrotherkugel: remember the vandalism in the wiki? It's the reason for that two-step signup requirement
20:41:58domonoky1kugel: wiki has history, theme page not. if you delete a theme its gone.
20:42:28kugelit would be nice if we could transfer the wiki accounts to the theme site, for logging in then
20:42:30domonoky1but we could ofcourse just set them hidden if a user send in a updated theme.
20:42:52JdGordon||*cough* svn/git backend for storage
20:43:07JdGordon||no need to worry about accidental deletes and stuff
20:43:17bluebrotherdomonoky1: someone needs to make the theme site using a svn / git backend :)
20:43:29*bluebrother too slow
20:44:01*domonoky1 looks around for mister someone..
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20:45:59domonoky1if someone wants todo that, i can provide him with a vmware image with a test themepage :-)
20:46:15JdGordon||that shuoldnt be too hard... just do a svn ci -M "theme 'blaa' upload by 'blaa's email'" after the zip uploads
20:47:07JdGordon||domonoky: I'm game.. wheres the vm image?
20:47:54domonoky1JdGordon||: i first have to change the passwords, then i can upload it somewhere if you want.
20:48:20JdGordon||thats probably a really useful image to have around anyway :)
20:49:28domonoky1the only thing which doesnt work in this image, is the emailing of the themesite, but its probably just a missing/incorrect sendmail config
20:50:07JdGordon||your ISP doesnt block port 25 outgoing does it?
20:52:10domonoky1i dont think so.
20:52:17AlexPWhat about deleting themes? If a theme author has "released" a theme under a permissive licence, do we want them to be able to remove it?
20:52:35AlexPI realise that this is difficult, as we want them to be able to update/fix them :)
20:53:29domonoky1AlexP: i think only allowing a remove if they send in a working update is enough :-)
20:54:24JdGordon||ccbysa doesnt let you revoke the license does it?
20:55:19domonoky1JdGordon||: do you have a place to where i can upload this test-themepage image ?
20:55:21AlexPdomonoky1: yeah - could still be easily abused (upload a theme with just %ia for example - it works, but isn't the actual theme), but I think we'll never get anything done if we go to the end cases.
20:55:51domonoky1AlexP: maybe just rename and hide the old-one ?
20:56:38AlexPdomonoky1: A good plan - that way if someone does muck about we have the old one to restore
20:56:39JdGordon||domonoky:I dont tihnk so.. how big is it?
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20:57:12domonoky1JdGordon||: still compressing, but probably 200-300MB ?
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21:00:08rasherProblem is verifying that only the author is able to update/fix a theme (other people's fixes should probably be under a different name, no?)
21:00:32domonoky1rasher: we could reuse the key from emailvalidation ?
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21:01:02rasherYeah, probably a good idea
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21:01:26domonoky1we just need a new colum in the themespage and store it permanently.
21:02:10domonoky1and ofcourse a few input fields, and bit of logic. but shouldnt be too complicated.
21:04:48JdGordon||domonoky1: ok got ftp going
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21:11:05JdGordon|rasher: domonoky1: what would be really nice is if themes could be grouped, so the people who upload 10 themes where the only difference is in the colours could all show up together and a drop list shows the different versions
21:11:17JdGordon|that would work for people doing a small edit of others' themes
21:11:59domonoky1JdGordon|: sounds nice :-)
21:15:04kugelFlynDice: did you do performane (read/write speed) tests?
21:15:46FlynDicenot performance, just write & verify.
21:15:48domonoky1there are many things which could need improvement on the theme page. for example a button to report problems with a theme would also be nice.
21:16:38FlynDiceI get data crc failures with writes at 15 MHz so I've left the internals at 31 MHz for now
21:19:52Lloreandomonoky1: Do users have the ability to overwrite themes yet?
21:20:07*Llorean thinks that one should be able to replace an older theme by simply naming it the same thing and having it be using the same screen size.
21:20:11domonoky1Llorean: nope, they have to ask an admin
21:20:25LloreanWith a warning of course. "A theme already with this name exists in 320x240 - are you sure you wish to replace it?"
21:21:03LloreanThe wiki allows Joe to replace Bob's theme, the theme site might as well too. Maybe with an email to the original author to give notice (if we keep email addresses, I think we do?)
21:21:21domonoky1Llorean: if we have some way to revert this, i think thats fine.. but at the moment it would be competley gone if we delete it
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21:23:50Lloreanmakes sense
21:25:03kugelFlynDice: why?
21:25:21kugelI mean, why didn't you do speed tests
21:25:30FlynDicekugel: why not performance?
21:26:22JdGordon|kugel: get a chance to look at 10824?
21:27:06FlynDicekugel: Performance wasn't an issue, the problem was that the cards were being run at overclocked frequencies. The internals are still overclocked but not by nearly as much.
21:28:15kugelJdGordon|: don't ask me everyday, I'll get at it when I have time
21:28:37JdGordon|I'm not waiting around forever...
21:31:14kugelFlynDice: well, but performance is still not unimportant
21:32:50FlynDicekugel: So are you saying you want to run the cards at frequencies over the spec if the performance is better?
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21:33:58kugel_FlynDice: it's also interesting to see what drawbacks doing things right has
21:34:16kugel_no, I didn't say anything like that
21:34:35kugel_I said doing speed test when doing this kind of changes is good
21:35:32FlynDicekugel: Ok, I see where you're coming from, when I find all that extra time I've misplaced perhaps I can get to it.. ;-)
21:36:39JdGordon|FYI: domonoky1's theme site test VM is available at"> if anyone wants it or wants to mirror it
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21:44:26JdGordon|3 weeks to release right?
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21:48:40JdGordon|crap :/
21:49:10JdGordon|so much for all the extra themeing we wanted in this one :p
21:50:04kugel_I'm satisfied :)
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22:19:03rjgis there any way to get rockbox to behave like the A-B button does in the file browser in the iriver firmware - that is play the selected track next and then continue to play through the folder (and the rest of the filesystem from that point)? the "play next" playlist option just plays that one file then seems to jump away further down the alphabet and play from there. cheers :)
22:20:15bluebrotherrjg: no, not without implementing that feature. You can replace a playlist, but you'd need to do that on a folder
22:22:35rjgah, right
22:22:58rjgit's probably the only thing I miss about the original firmware (H300)
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22:27:14rjgwhat's the correct route to go down for a feature suggestion? obviously it's very low priority, just a "would be nice", but perhaps someone might have time for it :)
22:28:40rjgand I know technically (for those with the coding skills) it's probably not difficult to implement, it's more whether it's felt the feature should be included
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22:31:36bluebrotherrjg: well, we have a "feature suggestings" subforum. You can discuss it there, and maybe someone reading it is interested enough to work on it
22:31:48rjgcool, thanks bluebrother
22:31:59n1srjg: if i understand you correctly it might not be that easy due to how rocbox' playlist system works
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22:32:53n1susually it will just follow the filesystem *untill* you manipulate the current playlist
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22:33:10n1sso if you add a track in the playlist it will no longer be a dir it's playing but a playlist
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22:35:46rjgso it couldn't just be told to jump to that part of the filesystem and carry on just going through the filesystem from that file?
22:36:21rjgI was imagining such a feature would just go under the main context menu perhaps, rather than be part of the playlist functionality as as you say, it's outwith how it works
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22:37:10kugelyou could insert the top level directly, so it would play everything in order.
22:37:21kugelalternatively you can use the dirskip feature
22:38:38rjgI found the feature on the iriver useful when using the iriver in a car for example, you chould quickly bring up the file browser and flick to a particular song in an album and hit A-B and it would play that and then carry on from there
22:39:05rjgactually, knowing the dir structure I could sometimes even browse to something without looking at the screen
22:41:29domonoky1wouldnt auto-change directory do just that ?
22:41:39n1srjg: you can do basically the same if you have your songs in a playlist and just insert/queue next the wanted track in that playlist
22:41:56rjgyeah I know, but it requires putting everything into a playlist
22:42:01n1sdomonoky1: doesn't it give up if you start modifying the playlist?
22:43:03domonoky1with auto-change directory, you should be able to just "play" a file, which creates playlist with the selected file first, at the end-of playlist it should continue in the next folder... at least thats how i think it works :-)
22:43:17rjgyeah that works no prob
22:43:23rjgit's when you want to queue the file up
22:43:41rjgperhaps I should put it another way - a delayed play option :)
22:44:05rjgso it just does the same as playing a file, but not until the current file has finished playing
22:44:14rjgthat makes more sense
22:44:15n1sthe "play dir" functianality, while usefull is a bit of a hack imo
22:44:53n1srjg: that's what insert/queue next will do
22:45:26rjgthey don't seem to work right if you're just playing through the filesystem and haven't made a playlist
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22:45:46n1smaybe some special case for queueing in a dir playlist could be made so it can go on thinking it's a dir playlist after the queued file has played
22:46:04n1srjg: then that's a bug
22:46:28n1suh, re-read what you said, no intended
22:46:52rjgI'll fire the iriver up and test it to be sure - that's what it did earlier
22:47:27n1sthe "play a file to play the dir" functionality is a bit of a special case
22:48:09n1sall the playlist operations work with the selected file/dir
22:49:11domonoky1so a "play at end of song" context option would be needed :-)
22:49:12rjgthinking of it along the lines of simply doing the exact same thing as selecting (playing) a file in file browser while a song is playing, but not until the currently playing song has finished, does it make it any easier to implement? rather than messing with the playlist functionality
22:49:57Unhelpfulamiconn: about pre-combining font images before drawing... would we just want to have a fixed buffer for it in iram, and pre-combine as many columns as possible (since height will vary), then draw that to LCD, repeating as needed to complete the string?
22:51:34n1srjg: dont' think so, the reason is that a few things only work for the special case of a clean dir playlist created by "just plaing a file" (auto-change dir and dirskip) if you modify such a playlist in any way the playlist code thinks it's a regular dynamic playlist and dirskip and auto change-dir will no longer work
22:54:01domonoky1n1s: thats probably not really a problem "playing a file" creates a new playlist. so if we just delay that action to the end of song (dont know how hard that would be) it should work.
22:54:23rjgyeah that's what I'm thinking domonoky1
22:55:13n1sdomonoky1: ah, you mean a "nuke this playlist and pretend you played this file from the filebrowser, only after the playlist finished!" ? ;)
22:55:36rjgexcept, not really the playlist as such, but the currently playing file in any playlist
22:55:43rjgand yes nuke the playlist
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22:56:28domonoky1n1s: after end of current song, not playlist.
22:56:42n1sthat will be one hard to describe option then :)
22:56:55domonoky1"play after end of song"
22:57:28n1sas it will AFAIU do *exactly* what "play next" does only with the "pretend you played this file from the filebrowser" part
22:57:36domonoky1it could even work on any file :-) ie show a image after end of song :-)
22:58:28rjgI know it's probably not a feature most people are familiar with, what with rockbox being so cross-platform, but as an ex iriver firmware user it's (to me) quite a useful feature which I do miss and I reckon could be useful for others
22:59:03rjgI'm not one for making up playlists you see, I'm very much a decide what to play next when that time comes sort of guy
23:00:04n1srjg: i usually just insert my whole music dir in a paylist and if i want something special right now, just insert that next'
23:01:22rjgaye, having an organised dir structure (something I got used to from the iriver firmware days) means that I find it easier to use the filesystem I guess
23:02:05n1si use the filesystem to do this
23:02:24n1sbut yes, if you like it this way :)
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23:12:52rjgI'll put it on the forum and see what people think I guess :)
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