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#rockbox log for 2009-12-15

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00:11:48pixelmamc2739: the waiting for user input on errors can be skipped (some kind of non-stop mode) but you'll get a half an (html) manual then and no pdf, this happened before when manuals were broken. I see that the fmrecorder manual build is really broken and I can see why, just need to figure out where to fix it - it still looks for the platform file with the old name
00:12:53pixelmaI guess it's something similar for the Minis
00:13:32mc2739pixelma: when I posted to Flyspray, I was able to build all of the missing manuals except the ones I listed
00:20:57pixelmahmm... it was my old makefile :\
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00:22:09pixelmaI rather think it's something on the download server then (maybe something's not been updated for the new target names)
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02:02:41CIA-6New commit by kkurbjun (r23996): M:Robe 500: Initialize power related pins with pin setup function
02:03:17CIA-6New commit by kkurbjun (r23997): M:Robe 500: Initialize ATA related pins with pin setup function
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02:06:17CIA-6New commit by kkurbjun (r23998): M:Robe 500: Initialize USB related pins with pin setup function
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06:45:50DogBoyis there an issue with sansa fuze playing back at the wrong speed?
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06:47:57CIA-6New commit by kkurbjun (r24002): M:Robe 500: Initialize the power button.
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07:25:42Xenocide21woah
07:25:46Xenocide21lotta people here
07:26:22Xenocide21So i just put Rockbox on my iPod Nano first gen, and its kinda cool, but like.. is it kinda like linux??
07:26:24Xenocide21:P
07:27:00*scorche isnt sure what that question is asking
07:27:21Xenocide21>.>
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07:28:49scorcheare you asking if Rockbox uses the linux kernel or something?
07:28:57Xenocide21pretty much
07:29:04scorchethen no, it doesnt
07:29:14DalkorQuestion for me: I am installing rockbox on my Ipod mini g2 or wanted to, It seems that the manual is not available... :/
07:29:36Xenocide21lol ok :P its pretty cool, is there any sites that have software written for it that i can add to it?
07:30:25Dalkor Xenocide21, I do belive I saw a section on it in the forums.
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07:47:23Xenocide21yeah i was mostly wonderin if it was a type of linux, cus ive herd of running linux on ipods before, this setup was so much simpler though so i thought id try it, its cool that i can play doom on it :P it sucks though cus of the few buttons on the ipod
07:58:38*pixelma just had an idea about .wps as .rwps on the theme site and hopefully won't forget until there is more time to explain
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08:03:51JdGordonso bang it out quickly? :)
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08:06:33pixelmahaving the two rwps size as own target (just the idea)
08:07:49pixelmaas rwps target (so they are still named .rwps and the .cfg accordingly).... got to leave now
08:15:51GodEaterwth is up with the manual page?
08:15:55GodEaterit's a mess
08:17:26JdGordonleft over mess from the target renaming?
08:17:32JdGordonB4gder: (or Zagor for the logs) can you please add the 3.5 (and 3.6, 3.7) releases to the tracker?
08:17:33GodEatermust be
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08:36:39JdGordonanyone use mpegplayer?
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08:40:47JdGordonwho knows convbdf? have a look at FS #9896 please
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08:46:09DalkorQuestion: I am installing rockbox on my Ipod mini g2 or wanted to, It seems that the manual is not available... :/
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08:49:24JdGordonanyone use the wake up alarm feature?
08:50:24JdGordonhttp://www.rockbox.org/tracker/task/9720 if you do! :)
08:50:32GodEaterDalkor: is th online version not good enough?
08:50:43GodEaterah - I see - entirely missing link
08:51:50pixelmaJdGordon: the alarm menu patch doesn't seem to show the real name of the author
08:52:24JdGordonarg :( does that bug actually exist though?
08:53:33pixelmano idea, never used the wake up alarm - don't even have a target that has it
08:55:11JdGordonthe code looks correct... I wonder if thats a mis understadning...
08:57:03DogBoyis there a way to get rockbox to stop after each track and cue the next
08:57:08DogBoylike a dj mode
08:57:28JdGordonnot currently
08:57:34JdGordonthere is a patch for that IIRC
08:58:07DogBoyany idea where I would look for the patch
08:58:15GodEaterDalkor: godeater.cream.org/rockbox-ipodmini2g.pdf">http://godeater.cream.org/rockbox-ipodmini2g.pdf
08:58:40GodEaterDogBoy: http://www.rockbox.org/tracker/index.php?type=4
08:59:51Dalkorty
08:59:57DogBoyit's in there somewhere eh GodEater
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09:00:07GodEaterDogBoy: somewhere ;)
09:00:55DogBoy"Pause Between Tracks"
09:01:46DogBoyI do a radio show and it would be a lot cooler to not burn a bunch of cds each week
09:02:14DogBoygreener anyway
09:02:35DogBoythanks GodEater
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09:02:49GodEateryou're most welcome
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09:06:27pixelmaZagor: not sure if you already noticed but there seems to be a problem with Ipod Mini and the FM-Recorder manuals on the download server (guess something to do with the target rename)
09:07:03pixelmaat least the FM-Recorder manual builds
09:07:17GodEaterso the ipodmini
09:07:23GodEater^^does
09:07:41Zagoryes, it's due to fs#10842
09:08:08ZagorI'll hopefully have time to fix it today
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09:21:30pixelmaZagor: I don't get the explanation. Why would other manuals failing cause this?
09:22:53pixelmabecause it worked before when some manuals were broken due to a bug that only applied to some, the others still showed up
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09:26:46Zagorpixelma: it fails because latex simply hangs waiting for input so the builds after those are never ran
09:27:16Zagora rather annoying fail state
09:29:04Zagorit doesn't even matter that input is /dev/null. it hangs until it gets an 'x'...
09:29:43pixelmathere is some kind of non-stop mode and I thought it was used on the server
09:30:17pixelmayou won't have proper manuals then though
09:30:30Zagorthe server runs what's in svn. I have very little latex knowledge.
09:32:06pixelmaI don't think it is something you set in the source but don't remember the details
09:34:17Zagorwell the makefiles are in svn too.
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10:01:17GodEateris there any reason why we've not commited that "pause between tracks" patch ?
10:01:26GodEaterit seems quite a useful feature to me...
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10:03:53LloreanGodEater: Does it work with party mode, or does setting one unset the other, or...?
10:04:00GodEaterDogBoy: btw - I've just resynced the patch against current svn
10:04:24GodEaterLlorean: it wouldn't make a lot of sense to use it in party mode I suppose
10:05:02LloreanYeah. At the moment we don't have mutually exclusive settings, beyond just putting a note somewhere saying "pause between tracks won't work if party mode is enabled."
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10:05:13*GodEater turns on party mode and pause between tracks to see what happens
10:05:19LloreanI think that's the main thing - it just needs documenting and a decision on where the setting belongs.
10:05:23GodEaterI suspect it'll pause, and you won't be able to do anything
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10:05:42GodEateryeah - it pauses, and you can't resume
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10:05:53LloreanSounds like it needs a tiny bit of fixing then. :)
10:06:09GodEaterwhat do you think expected behaviour should be?
10:06:14LloreanNot pausing, I think
10:06:24GodEaterso the setting shouldn't work when party mode is on?
10:06:27LloreanYeah
10:06:37LloreanTo me at least, party mode should take precedence.
10:07:23LloreanSince party mode prevents changes to playback state, and "pause on track change" in my mind triggers a pause, but since pauses do nothing in party mode...
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10:10:20GodEaterthat makes sense I suppose
10:11:25LloreanIt could be argued the other way too, I guess. Maybe it should be consolidated into some sort of "playback mode" setting with "Party Mode", "Manual Mode" (or whatever you want to call pause-on-track-end) and "Normal Mode"
10:11:43GodEatergah
10:11:50GodEaterminimal code changes please ;)
10:12:20LloreanWell, it can be whatever doesn't get the player stuck for now, and consolidated later.
10:12:33GodEaterconsolidated sounds like a good plan
10:13:03GodEaterbut if we want to reduce open patches before release day as per Jd's email, I don't thnink I can do that today
10:13:16LloreanYeah, I don't think it's urgent that it be consolidated.
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10:19:42*GodEater tests to see if this change works
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10:24:13GodEateryup - that's fine - latest change means party mode takes priority
10:24:16GodEaterI'll upload the patch
10:24:58GodEaterhello LinusN!
10:25:04LinusNyo
10:25:56*GodEater is fiddling with LinusN's "pause between tracks" patch
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10:26:30LinusNoh...
10:26:38GodEaterLlorean: if you have time, give it a try and see if you're happy with it?
10:27:49GodEaterLinusN: nothing harsh, Llorean pointed out though that it probably shouldn't apply it party mode is on.
10:27:56GodEaters/it/if
10:28:07LinusNgood point
10:28:08LloreanGodEater: As long as it doesn't seem to break anything, I'm not unhappy, I think.
10:28:21GodEaterdoesn't seem to break anything for me
10:28:24LloreanSounds good
10:28:54GodEaterthere were some comments from pondlife and pixelma about it including playback.c for HWCODEC though
10:29:04GodEaterwhich LinusN has good reasons for :)
10:30:46LinusNhasn't the code structure changed significantly since then?
10:31:11GodEatermaybe. I don't know - this is the first bit of actual coding I've done in ages.
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11:26:23kaniiniHow to exit rockbox without getting message '*panic* mount:0' ?
11:26:33kaniininot exit... unmount
11:26:36funmankaniini: which model ?
11:26:42kaniiniipod nano 2g
11:27:11funmanit's still unstable, so you'd have to track the changes in svn and update your build regularly
11:27:20kaniiniok
11:27:45kaniiniis there anyway in this build to acceess iPod_Control?
11:28:05kaniinioh, and my ipod shows up with 0kb free and used
11:28:43kaniiniaccess within rockbox
11:29:04linuxstbkaniini: You can browse iPod_Control if you set the "Show files" setting to "all" (that folder is hidden). Or you can use the Rockbox database, which will find and index the music that's stored there.
11:29:37kaniinitired indexing the database, using view all.
11:29:38kaniinino help
11:30:04kaniinievery time I click Database it says it's not initialized
11:30:20kaniinithat brings me to the question how to reboot?
11:30:28kaniiniis it menu+select?
11:30:34linuxstbThat's a hard reset.
11:30:44kaniiniand reboot is?
11:30:50kaniinilong play?
11:30:51linuxstbTo reboot cleanly, shut down (long press on play) then turn it back on.
11:31:54kaniini*panic* FLT: unclean shotdown before
11:31:55kaniini??
11:32:36kaniinihard reset worked
11:33:05kaniinihow long does the shgutting down take?
11:33:26rvvs89A few seconds usually, at least on the previous models.
11:33:43linuxstbIt _should_ only take a few seconds. But it sounds like there are issues with your FTL (the NAND flash translation layer) which are causing Rockbox problems.
11:34:49linuxstbI'm not sure, but I think these can sometimes be fixed by transferring a few 100 MBs of data from a PC which causes the ipod's original firmware to clean up the FTL.
11:38:11kaniiniok
11:42:01kaniinidoes it matter what I transfer to the ipod?
11:46:24linuxstbNo
11:48:43kaniinidoes it have to be trasnferred via itunes?
11:49:36linuxstbI don't think so, no.
11:50:20linuxstbBut as I said, I'm not 100% sure this will fix anything (but I would try it if I was in your situtation). The main Nano2G developer (TheSeven) hasn't been around recently...
11:50:57kaniiniok...
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12:48:39DalkorI was looking for the Ipon Mini G2 manual because the link on the site is broken. Someone had linked it earlier but my computer crashed as I was looking at it. Does anyone else know where I might be able to find it and save it this time. >.<?
12:49:20linuxstbhttp://www.rockbox.org/irc/ has IRC logs
12:49:39Dalkorthank you :D
12:51:47Dalkor@GodEater, If you are here, could you put it back up for a sec so that I may grab it. I seem to have lost access to it. Thank you.
12:52:20GodEaterI deleted it after I assumed you'd downloaded it
12:52:34GodEaterdon't have time to re-upload now
12:53:22linuxstbDalkor: All ipod manuals should be more or less the same - there's very little difference between Rockbox on them all. Do none of them work?
12:54:16*linuxstb thought there was only one ipod mini manual, not one for each generation
12:54:35Dalkorboth mini manuals are broken links
12:55:05linuxstbYes, but the other ipod manuals should be fine for you.
12:55:56Dalkorto be honest it didn't cross my mind, I will have a look now.
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14:28:01HorschtiI just set up a virtual machine with a build environment. Running configure shows an option to build a Database tool. Where can I get more info on this tool? Can I build it for windows while running a linux vm?
14:29:10Jaykayis "without a fair bit of rework there is nothing that can be done" a valid reason for closing a bug report?
14:30:02gevaertsJaykay: why would it be?
14:31:22gevaertsa bug is still a bug even if you don't know how to fix it
14:31:51linuxstbJaykay: Which bug are you talking about?
14:33:28mc2739I think he is talking about FS #10039
14:34:25*linuxstb doesn't think bugs like that should be closed
14:36:03*gevaerts reopens
14:36:09Jaykayyes, i mean FS #10039
14:36:37gevaertsbugs don't go away just because you close the report
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15:29:03*GodEater wants more opinions on #9114
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15:31:32kaniiniany solutions for database update freezing?
15:31:36kaniiniipod nano 2g
15:31:46GodEaterwait till the port is a bit more mature?
15:32:13kaniinihas anybody tested it?
15:33:12GodEatertested what?
15:33:54kaniinithe nano 2g port
15:34:29GodEaterI don't even know who here owns a 2G Nano
15:34:41GodEaterwe don't have a formal test plan we follow in any case
15:35:26gevaertshow does party mode interact with the sleep timer?
15:35:44GodEaterI have no idea - I've never used the sleep timer
15:36:23*gevaerts just wants to explore some precedents for FS #9114
15:36:29GodEateryes I see
15:37:00GodEaterI don't understand asettico's argument at all
15:37:10GodEaterI can't see why you'd ever want this this happen in party mode
15:37:14GodEaterunless you have a bloody odd party
15:39:13mc2739why would you want sleep mode at party? party != sleep
15:39:40GodEaterindeed
15:39:44gevaertsI could see an argument for splitting party mode in lots of single-result options, like "disable pause", "disable skip", ... As long as that's not done, party mode should override anything that gets in its way
15:40:12GodEaterI agree
15:40:32*GodEater thinks lots more people need to wade into the comments on #9114 and say so!
15:42:20linuxstbWhy can't both features co-exist?
15:43:02linuxstbI mean party mode shouldn't disable "unpause" should it?
15:43:25GodEaterit does though, on account of disabling manual pause in the first place
15:43:32GodEaterso the assumption is the music won't stop
15:43:39linuxstbWhat about headphone unplug?
15:43:43GodEaterso why should you need the player to pay attention to the button?
15:43:50GodEaterwhat about it?
15:44:04linuxstbThat's another way to pause without the button press.
15:44:06GodEaterit doesn't need the play button again to make the music start going
15:44:51linuxstbI have no idea how things are implemented, but from a user's point of view, I wouldn't expect one of those settings to break the other.
15:45:29GodEaterI don't think having music pausing after every track is a "party mode"
15:45:32GodEaterit's something else
15:45:43GodEatera mode which we don't have in Rockbox yet
15:45:45Zagorparty mode is by definition a massive override
15:45:52GodEaterexactly
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15:56:13GodEaterarguments over party mode aside, is there anything else wrong with the patch?
15:56:41GodEatercould it be implemented better? LinusN's original code is nearly 18 months old, and I didn't look to see if it should be changed
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16:07:19*GodEater doesn't understand pondlife's comment :(
16:08:16gevaertsGodEater: it's off-topic for that particular patch, that's all you need to know :)
16:08:25*GodEater votes we remove it!
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16:15:58pondlifeGodEater: You rang?
16:16:19GodEaterI wanted to understand your beef against party mode ;)
16:16:26pondlifeI like party mode
16:16:31GodEateris it just the name you dislike?
16:16:36pondlifeI just don't think it's a clear name
16:16:46GodEaterah right - that I can understand
16:16:54GodEaterI thought for a moment you were suggesting we remove it
16:16:55pondlifeKeylock mode would be descriptively obvious
16:17:05*gevaerts disagrees
16:17:17gevaertsIt doesn't lock keys. It locks some wps functionality
16:17:35pondlifeTrack skip and pause?
16:17:48pondlifeI haven't used it it ages.
16:18:10pondlifeNot got a device at the moment.
16:18:14GodEaterthat's pretty much all it does
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16:18:18gevaertsthere's some more I think, like not starting plugins.
16:18:31pondlifeSounds a bit arbitrary
16:18:53gevaerts"uninterruptible playback mode" sounds clearer to me, but it's not as snappy as "party mode"
16:18:59pondlifeIf the idea is to keep the music going, a keylock mode might be better - i.e. jukebox mode..
16:19:04GodEateror as easy to fit on the screen
16:19:47gevaertsthe main thing is that playback keeps going without skipping, and that you can queue new things
16:19:53pixelmakeylock mode sounds like you could set deffirent modes for keylock - e.g. just lock the side keys - or what the touchscreen guys discussed
16:20:05pixelmaerrr. different
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16:21:17GodEateryeah, keylock mode is the wrong name
16:21:37GodEaterI strongly suspect this was debated quite a lot when party mode was first invented
16:24:10LinusNactually no
16:24:35LinusNi believe everyone bought that name back then
16:25:35GodEaterI stand corrected then :)
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16:30:03GodEaterI think we leave it called party mode then
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16:46:16linuxstbknin: So transferring some data didn't help?
16:46:16kninnope
16:46:16linuxstbHave you tried a restore with itunes?
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16:46:17*linuxstb shrugs and puts it down to Rockbox's obviously unstable NAND driver for the Nano2G
16:46:17knini did and same problems occur
16:46:17kninyeah... too bad...
16:46:18knini've waiting rockbox for ages to nano2g...
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17:16:32DogBoyGodEater, thanks
17:16:51DogBoyfollowing this discussion I now know what party mode is
17:17:10DogBoyI did wonder about that, just not enough to break out the documentation
17:18:03AlexPyes, the manual does have it
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18:59:36StrollerHey, all. :) I have some radio shows as MP3s - they're each an hour or two long, with many different tracks in the single MP3. I was wondering how Rockbox's interface would be for listening to them. Things like remembering the last place in the track (when I switch off or sleep the player) and forward-fast & rewind (or skip 5 minutes) are important. I have an iPod mini.
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19:02:01JaykayStroller: remembering the last place is automatically done. FF and rewind are of course possible, and iirc it's with a setting also possible skip some time instead of skipping to the next track
19:02:24GodEaterprovided it's a supported target, the player you have is largely irrelevant.
19:02:51GodEaterI've got a feeling we still have an issue with FF and rewind into very long mp3s (if they're VBR encoded).
19:02:53markunStroller: the seeking speeds up exponentionally, but don't know if that is good enough for you
19:02:57StrollerI assumed that the UIs might be slightly different on different screens (re colour &c)
19:03:22StrollerI haven't tried these recordings with the Apple firmware, yet
19:03:28GodEaterStroller: well yes, but how important is a colour screen when you're listening to the radio? :)
19:04:01GodEaterthe functionality of Rockbox's audio playback doesn't change much between targets
19:04:07StrollerGodEater: so why have so many different manuals on the website? :P
19:04:19GodEaterStroller: the installation procedure is different
19:04:23markunand buttons
19:04:26GodEaterthem too
19:04:46markunStroller: and some have FM radio, some don't etc.
19:04:49GodEaterfunctionality is kept the same as far as possible, but how you access it is different
19:06:00markunStroller: I would say, just give rockbox a try. If you don't like it you can remove it again and there not really a chance to 'brick' your player.
19:06:17GodEateryeah, the ipod mini is a stable port, and very very very hard to break ;)
19:06:36StrollerOk, cool.
19:07:17StrollerI was about to say... I haven't tried these recordings with the Apple firmware, yet, so I don't really know what to expect playing back 60 - 120 minute radio shows on an MP3 player. With respect to convenience & navigation stuff. I actually use iTunes as my music player on my Mac, but I don't want these shows "poisoning" my music library, so I thought a mass-storage-device player would be better that way.
19:08:32GodEaterwell we're all biased obviously ;)
19:10:00bluebroth3rthe mini is the best Rockbox target. Well, the h100 is slightly better ;-)
19:10:15GodEatermatter of taste that is mr bluebroth3r sir ;)
19:10:29bluebroth3rindeed :)
19:10:34GodEaterthe slight fly in the ointment is the lack of mini manuals on the website at the moment =/
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19:11:16bluebroth3rwell, we can find a workaround for that
19:11:24*Stroller was JUST about to mention that, this very minute
19:11:35GodEaterI'll build you one Stroller
19:11:37GodEatergimme a sec
19:11:44linuxstbStroller: You may want to play with the seeking acceleration settings (somewhere under Playback settings I would guess), but I've used Rockbox happily with long radio recordings in the past.
19:12:03StrollerGreat! Thanks linuxstb
19:12:53GodEatergodeater.cream.org/rockbox_ipodmini.pdf">http://godeater.cream.org/rockbox_ipodmini.pdf should work
19:12:59bluebroth3rtoo bad I deleted the manuals from my webspace just the last weekend
19:13:07GodEaterplease download it, don't read it there online
19:13:13GodEateras I like to delete it quite soon
19:13:39GodEaterbluebroth3r: is there a real difference between the 1g and 2g mini manuals?
19:13:57bluebroth3rGodEater: no
19:14:04gevaertsJdGordon: if it's part of a larger bug, please open a bug report for that and then we can talk about closing this one
19:14:35gevaertsor edit this one to reflect that
19:14:40bluebroth3rit even says "Manual for Ipod Mini" −− no generation specified at all
19:14:51StrollerDone. TY, GodEater
19:14:53*GodEater wonders why we have seperate downloads for it then
19:14:56GodEaterStroller: you're welcome
19:15:07StrollerGodEater is from Virtual Light?
19:15:13GodEaterStroller: well done ;)
19:15:21*Stroller is a clever boy
19:15:22GodEaternot many people know it's source
19:15:51*GodEater would like to think Mr. Gibson for his nick
19:15:54GodEaterer
19:15:55GodEaterthank
19:16:03*GodEater will get his coat
19:16:07StrollerYou prefer that to his earlier works?
19:16:16StrollerAnd iTunes will ignore the iPod, once Rockbox is installed?
19:16:53StrollerRockbox makes the player a mass-storage-device, right?
19:17:01GodEaterStroller: no, it'll continue to work with itunes
19:17:05bluebroth3rGodEater: we didn't. We had the same table as for the build download, so both variants appeared in the table. The link was to the same file, though ;-)
19:17:07GodEaterit always WAS a mass storage device
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19:17:22StrollerHmmm
19:17:35GodEateritunes just pretends it isn't
19:17:35StrollerOk
19:17:38StrollerI see
19:18:20GodEaterif you tick that "use ipod as disk" or whatever checkmark in itunes, then you'll see it appear as a disk drive, where itunes worked some magic to hide it before#
19:18:36GodEaterother operating systems always see it as a UMS device
19:18:48GodEaterbluebroth3r: ah ha - that explains a lot ;)
19:19:28bluebroth3rStroller: http://www.alice-dsl.net/dominik.riebeling/rockbox/rockbox-ipodmini2g-r23982-091215.pdf
19:19:45GodEaterbluebroth3r: I already supplied a link ;)
19:20:20bluebroth3rGodEater: seems I missed that then. Well, won't hurt.
19:20:23GodEaterindeed not
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19:41:05gevaertsI suspect that if we want any chance of someone turning up we'd better announce the location as final
19:41:06*GodEater wonders how much longer we're going to have to suffer this DDOS nonsense
19:41:08GodEatergevaerts: good idea
19:41:08GodEateryou do that
19:41:08GodEater:)
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21:04:06fmlCan somebody with ipod nano 2G confirm FS #10812 ? Otherwise we should close it.
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21:05:26kaniiniI've got 2g nano, where to find info on fs#10812?
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21:06:01kaniininwm
21:06:32kaniinifound it... though, can't test it... my nano can't update database at all...
21:07:09fmlI'd also like to close FS #10797 because it's not really a bug.
21:07:38GodEaterkaniini: you don't need the database to test that
21:07:55kaniinihow can i test it?
21:08:16GodEaterput a single mp3 on your player
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21:08:37GodEaterplay it back
21:08:44kaniiniok... Should i¨
21:09:18kaniinishould I use the nano with rockbox disk or normal itunes disk
21:09:41GodEaterfml?
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21:13:11gevaertsfml: why isn't it a bug?
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21:16:08kaniiniffs... i get this error "Error accessing playlist control file (-4)".
21:16:23Xenocide21rockbox dont need itunes to put music on an ipod does it?
21:16:29kaniinino
21:16:33Xenocide21nice
21:16:34kaniinias i just found it
21:16:45kaniiniout*
21:17:00Xenocide21so i can just copy files into the ipod?
21:17:09kaniinisame as a normal flash disk
21:17:13Xenocide21nice
21:17:32Xenocide21i use 64 bit win xp and itunes isnt compatable with it
21:18:13AlexPjust stick them wherever you want
21:18:31Xenocide21if i delete songs off the ipod the database will update right?
21:18:40AlexPIf it is set to autoupdate
21:18:47AlexPand maybe load to ram
21:18:48Xenocide21ahh cool
21:18:57AlexPI can't remember what dependencies exist anymore
21:19:02n1sUnhelpful: i figured out how to do the log2(0) == 0 thing unconditionally failry nicely now but i have no idea if it's fster than the conditional, basically do 31 - __builtin_clz(v|1), which becomes orr, clz, rsb instead of the current clz, rsbs, addmi
21:19:04kaniiniany info on the error accessing playlist control file?
21:19:14Xenocide21does the DOOM app support hexen wads?
21:19:24AlexPprobably not
21:19:34*bluebrother wonders when doom got an app
21:19:37Xenocide21lol its hard to play doom on my ipod anyway
21:19:37Unhelpfuln1s: *clever*!
21:19:43GodEaterkaniini: all the issues you've been reporting today are a result of the same thing - Rockbox is NOT finished on the Nano 2G
21:19:45topikturning database on on my nano2g is a sure way to have it crash every time
21:19:58GodEaterthe FTL driver is still buggy
21:20:01Xenocide21due to the fact its only got 6 buttons and one is the hold button :P
21:20:10AlexPXenocide21: It is based on prboom, so will probably support whatever that does
21:20:12kaniiniok. ok.
21:20:28Xenocide21ah i see cool cool
21:20:50kaniiniwish i could do something to fasten the developement...
21:21:41topikif you fill the nano2g in ipod's disk-mode and use it without database, it is highly usable
21:21:57kaniinino hel
21:21:58kaniinip
21:22:03AlexPkaniini: You could - learn to code :)
21:22:12kaniiniwhat language? :)
21:22:30kaniinic?
21:22:44GodEaterfor the most part yes
21:22:54GodEaterwith a smattering of assembly
21:24:57fmlGodEater, kaniini, gevaerts: sorry, I was off for a moment. I think FS #10797 is more about philosophy than a concrete bug report. But I may be wrong.
21:26:33n1sUnhelpful: so, do you know if rsbs takes longer than rsb?, otherwise they should be equally fast AFAIU
21:27:53*JdGordon| brain explodes!
21:27:59JdGordon|too many reusised acronymns
21:28:00Unhelpfuln1s: i'll see if that is likely to cause any stalls on armv6...
21:28:13fmlAnd what about FS #10812 (changed stereo channels)? This should be either not correct or easy to fix.
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21:28:29GodEaterfml: kaniini had a question about how to test it
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21:29:00gevaertsfml: I know that at one point the nano2g audio driver swapped channels every now and then, so it's not necessarily that easy
21:29:29fmlGodEater: err. I messed that.
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21:30:15Xenocide21so using itunes repair tool will revert it back to its original firmware?
21:30:21fmlGodEater: *missed
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21:30:44kaniinifml: yeah, i transferred a true stereo L/R test file to my 2g but it get an error message regarding the playlist control file...
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21:31:02fmlgevaerts: then let's say I haven't said that! :-)
21:31:39gevaertsok :)
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21:32:02GodEaterfml: it's not that easy. You need to pay logbot ;)
21:32:50fmlGodEater: :-)
21:32:57kaniinisome how managed to get it work
21:33:06kaniinichannels are inversed
21:34:00fmlgevaerts: as to FS #10797: I think the report is too uncertain. And we should have one FS bug report per plugin.
21:34:22Unhelpfuln1s: i'm pretty sure either version takes three cycles. i can only guess if one or the other might be more likely to allow following or preceding operations to be rolled together... probably the current one since you can't use a shifted register *and* an immediat in orr
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21:34:46fmlkaniini: this is easy to fix. There are many PC apps that can swap channels :-P (and hides)
21:34:52Xenocide21any MP3 players that rockbox supports with more than 5 buttins (not including the hold button)
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21:35:30GodEaterfml: that's more money to logbot right there
21:35:31JdGordon|the irivers
21:35:35bertrikthe clip has up/down/left/right/select/volup/voldown
21:35:35AlexPXenocide21: plenty
21:35:37kaniinifml: tell that to some with 3k++ songs... :D
21:36:03Xenocide21ipod SUCKS for playing doom, and im not even gonna try GBC and nintendo emulation on it with only 5 buttons :P
21:36:06GodEaterthe gigabeat S has 12
21:36:18Xenocide21nice
21:36:28fmlGodEater: he-he. From a certain amount on, it doesn't matter anymore! :-)
21:36:36AlexPthey aren't really meant for that though
21:36:41GodEaterfml: hehe ;)
21:36:50AlexPIf you want to play gameboy games, get a gameboy
21:36:53Xenocide21oh well if they arent meant for it
21:36:54GodEateryeah
21:37:04Xenocide21i do crazy shit with all my stuff
21:37:13Xenocide21i have an NES emulator on a TI 84+
21:37:44n1sUnhelpful: ok, i gess we can call this bs_generic function "done" :)
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21:40:34kaniinifml: i get 50/50 on the channel switch
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21:41:41kaniinifml: i get 50/50 on the channel switch
21:42:17gevaertskaniini: you mean it happens about half the time?
21:42:21kaniiniyes
21:42:26CIA-6New commit by zagor (r24009): Corrected ipodmini manual builds.
21:42:49kaniinishort term test but it does do it
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21:43:20kaniinifrequency with the channels being wrong to correct is random
21:43:40kaniinimight be first 2 correct and third wrong
21:43:50kaniinior every second
21:44:17gevaertsThanks for testing. The randomness isn't mentioned yet on the bug report, so that's new information
21:44:35Xenocide21ipods have radio built in dont they?
21:44:44kaniininot all?
21:44:53Xenocide21i have a first gen nano
21:45:01kaniini2g here
21:45:03kaniinino radio
21:45:07gevaertsnot as far as I know
21:45:11kaniiniwith out an addon from apple
21:45:12Xenocide21ah k
21:45:21Xenocide21well rockbox dont need no addon from apple
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21:45:33AlexPIt does if you want radio on an ipod
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21:45:54Xenocide21theres a "radio" file in the ipod_control/device folder
21:45:54kaniininope, but w/o an FM/AM modulator you're not listening to radio
21:46:05Xenocide21ah
21:46:06Xenocide21i see
21:46:12AlexPRockbox cannot generate missing hardware
21:46:21Xenocide21well yeah i know that
21:46:28Xenocide21but i just wanted to know if it was built in
21:46:33AlexPnope :)
21:46:41GodEaterI think they put one in the Nano 4G
21:46:44Xenocide21ok then :) simple enough
21:46:53GodEaterand in the Nano 5G too
21:47:01GodEaterbut no previous ones have had a built in radio
21:47:21Xenocide21thats fine, i dont listen to it anyway, just wonderin if it had one :P
21:47:32GodEaterirrelevant in both cases as neither run rockbox yet
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21:48:00Xenocide21i think im gonna permanently use rockbox over mac firmware
21:48:47kaniinii would...
21:49:03Xenocide21well it makes it easier cus i cant run itunes
21:49:15kaniiniever since i heard/read about rockbox i've wanted it to my 2g nano... :)
21:49:29Xenocide21or rather, i dont wanna go through the tedius task of getting itunes 7 hacked onto this system
21:50:11Xenocide21now just recommend some hot beats that will pound my 12's and ill be aight
21:50:14Xenocide21lol
21:50:18GodEaterif I was so desperate for rockbox, I'd probably get myself a fully supported target from ebay ;)
21:50:28kaniini:)
21:50:31Xenocide21indeed
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21:50:41kaniinitrue...
21:50:50Xenocide21my sister just got a new mp3 player so she let me use her ipod :P first thing i do is put a costom firmware on it lol
21:50:51*GodEater currently has 6 targets
21:51:44CIA-6New commit by tomers (r24010): Cowon D2: Rename COWOND2_PAD -> COWON_D2_PAD to match macro used in manual, and ...
21:51:45JdGordon|only 6?! PATHETIC!
21:51:47Xenocide21im glad this ipod is color screen though, i couldnt stand one of the old school ipods
21:52:06GodEaterJdGordon|: :P
21:52:22GodEateryes, color makes all the difference to the music you listen to =/
21:52:46gevaertsGodEater: iaudio says so anyway
21:52:48JdGordon|why else would cowon put "color sound" on the x5 if it didnt?
21:52:51Xenocide21yes it does
21:53:01GodEaterhahaha
21:53:23GodEaterexcept we all agree the iRiver H1xx is our best target though right?
21:53:24GodEater:)
21:53:31Xenocide21now i need to make the thing use one of those extras in the demo folder as a screen saver
21:53:40Xenocide21lol
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21:53:59kaniinisuggestion to rockbox software
21:54:10Xenocide21yes
21:54:19gevaertsnot really feasible
21:54:19bluebrotherGodEater: definitely :)
21:54:24kaniinian "Open" to the list
21:54:48kaniiniyou know, when you hold selection and you get the list with delete, rename etc
21:54:50n1sUnhelpful: on another note, you mentioned using that move.b into a reg with the top 24 bits known to be 0 to avoid zero extension in ffs-coldfire and it looks to me like the clr instruction can simply be deleted as we moveq.l #26 into that reg before that so the top 24 bits are 0
21:54:54topikscreen saver / battery eater
21:55:02Xenocide21how do i manually update the database?
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21:55:38kaniinisettings>general>database>update now
21:55:44Dhraakelliangot a data abort at 30800920
21:55:49Xenocide21found it just as you posted lol
21:55:50GodEaterXenocide21: may I recommend the fine manual? :)
21:55:55DhraakellianSansa FuzeV1, r24000
21:55:56kaniini:D
21:56:31Xenocide21no you may not
21:56:42Xenocide21i have never read instructions in my life
21:56:48kaniiniare the current releases same regardless of the platform it's used?
21:56:54GodEaterXenocide21: however light heartedly you mean that, that's actually quite offensive
21:56:56Dhraakellianhad just turned off my car and unplugged the USB
21:57:01GodEaterwe've spent a LOT of time writing it
21:57:04bluebrotherXenocide21: I bet he will do nevertheless ...
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21:57:14Xenocide21lol
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21:57:29Xenocide21i actually have this system figured out mostly just by pokin around
21:58:38*GodEater doubts that
21:59:02Dhraakellianthought the clicking of the volume going down was only showing up in one ear (maybe I was hearing something else, given that clicks don't happen when paused?), so I stopped playback entirely so that I could hear the button clicks properly. I heard the clicks and resumed play and turned the volume down
21:59:19Dhraakellianthen got the whitescreen with the data abort message
21:59:30kaniinioh, oh!!! is it possible to make a reboot option in the System menu?
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22:00:30topikturning off and back on is too hard?
22:00:33Xenocide21hrm says updating in background.. how will i know its done?
22:02:01Xenocide21actually thats a good idea
22:02:20Xenocide21a reboot option will save ipod users from having to hold the select and menu button till it reboots
22:02:48Xenocide21though i like its auto shut down after so many x minutes
22:02:56gevaertsit won't, since they shouldn't do that anyway
22:03:06topikthat's a hard reset, Xenocide21, not a reboot
22:03:22Xenocide21O.o
22:03:33topikif that's they way you are trying to get your database to work, you're out of luck
22:03:47Xenocide21lol no it works when i reset like that
22:03:49topiknano2g is turned off by holding down the play button a long time
22:03:55Xenocide21im just updating it right now
22:04:01topikso you believe
22:04:09CIA-6New commit by tomers (r24011): Cowon D2 manual: Rename d2-front.* −−> cowond2-front.*
22:05:11Xenocide21there a way to manually delete the database?
22:05:26topikdelete the database files
22:05:40***Saving seen data "./dancer.seen"
22:05:45topikfor someone who has figured it all out, you have not figured out a lot ;)
22:05:54CIA-6New commit by zagor (r24012): Added special manual build names for archosfmrecorder and archosrecorderv2
22:06:18Xenocide21yeah well i didnt know if it would fuxor it up if i deleted the db files
22:06:35topikworst case you can remove the .rockbox dir and put a new one on
22:06:43AlexPSee, if you had looked at the manual you would know that you weren't shutting down properly
22:06:46topikand start fresh
22:07:02Xenocide21true enough
22:08:48pixelma_more fun is the "color sound" on the Iadio M5 ;)
22:09:23Xenocide21cool it worked
22:09:24AlexPyeah, colour sound but no colour display :)
22:09:29pixelma_Iaudio too
22:09:36AlexPstill, for a DAP the sound is more important
22:09:53Xenocide21i think rockbox is faster than apple firmware too
22:10:34CIA-6New commit by bluebrother (r24013): Fix Ipod Video 64MB workaround for rockbox-info.txt detection.
22:11:02bluebrotherwhat does "faster" mean? ;-)
22:11:06Xenocide21any third party software sites for rockbox?
22:11:10AlexPno
22:11:17Xenocide21didnt think so :P
22:11:31Xenocide21turn mah ipod into a friggin pda :P lol
22:11:57gevaertsrockbox isn't the right software for that...
22:12:04Xenocide21lol no
22:12:06Xenocide21linux is
22:12:17