| 00:06:39 | gevaerts | Does anyone have an idea about http://build.rockbox.org/shownewlog.cgi?rev=24174;type=gigabeatsboot ? |
| 00:10:23 | gevaerts | looks like a race in the build client to me |
| 00:12:02 | kugel_ | gevaerts: I think we've seen this on other clients as well |
| 00:14:08 | gevaerts | could be. I don't remember it though |
| 00:14:35 | gevaerts | http://build.rockbox.org/shownewlog.cgi?rev=24166;type=archosplayer is a rather common one as well |
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| 00:20:10 | saratoga | thats a weird error |
| 00:20:21 | saratoga | is it build system specific or just due to using make -j? |
| 00:20:52 | gevaerts | I don't know |
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| 00:21:30 | gevaerts | it's not machine specific at least, I've seen it for lots of clients |
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| 00:47:56 | Unhelpful | so, on eabi i think div and divmod library functions should just alias each other. on oldabi just wrap the divmod implementation and mov r0, r1 before returning, or go ahead and reuse the div/mod body and store the mod result in r0? also matters in terms of signed operations, as these can either wrap unsigned ones, with sign correction, or incorporate the unsigned divide body within themselves. |
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| 01:14:33 | jae | Can I quietly assume that the rblib.py on the Wiki (at the bottom here http://www.rockbox.org/wiki/TagcacheDBFormat) is GPL-licensed? Or how do I contact the author... and before that, how do I find out who the author is? |
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| 01:17:25 | domonoky | jae: wiki history should tell you who added that script.. dont know about the licence. |
| 01:19:39 | liar | i have updated my patch at fs#10775. if someone sees linuxstb or TheSeven please tell them... |
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| 01:23:31 | liar | sagemfreak: hi |
| 01:23:36 | sagemfreak | hi |
| 01:23:38 | liar | sagemfreak: have you got the nand id? |
| 01:23:47 | liar | sagemfreak: btw i've updated my patch |
| 01:23:58 | sagemfreak | we have to wait till 11th i think |
| 01:24:11 | sagemfreak | then holyday is over |
| 01:24:38 | sagemfreak | and i will meet my colleague |
| 01:26:26 | liar | okay, thanks in advance |
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| 02:38:38 | flyback | no one has pulled off a cf with flex-ide interface to flash hack yet? |
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| 04:46:56 | Jhonny5 | Hi all |
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| 04:49:23 | Jhonny5 | flyback, why ? |
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| 04:49:36 | flyback | nevermind :P |
| 04:49:43 | Jhonny5 | :) |
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| 05:04:00 | jho | I'm having some strange problems with the iPod Nano 2g port. For one, the "Building database" never finishes.. It stalls at "341 found", even when I only have around 30 tracks on the HDD right now. System -> Debug -> database info shows -1% completion |
| 05:05:33 | jho | The second problem I'm having is that I can't browse the files I have on the HD. When I press select or next at the file prompt, it just flashes some icon at the upper right corner of the screen (reading from HD?), and throws the selector at the top of the list |
| 05:06:14 | jho | If I manage to ascend into some directory by repeatedly mashing the select or next buttons, it throws me to the root when I try to change to any other directory inside that one |
| 05:07:34 | jho | And I can't mount the iPod on my computer without first booting into the Apple firmware |
| 05:08:09 | jho | With Rockbox running, all I get is [36751.879960] sdb: unknown partition table |
| 05:08:26 | evilnick | Does it work correctly using the OF? |
| 05:08:53 | jho | OF? Original firmware? Yeah, I can mount it when I boot into it |
| 05:09:12 | evilnick | Try doing a disk check on the OF |
| 05:16:54 | jho | No errors, and still doesn't work |
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| 05:18:33 | S_a_i_n_t | USB HID? |
| 05:19:03 | jho | I've tried with both yes and no |
| 05:19:59 | S_a_i_n_t | hmmmm....on win OS my 2g HATES HID set to yes |
| 05:20:10 | jho | With USB HID on, my dmesg gets flooded with stuff like "ehci_hcd 0000:00:1a.7: detected XactErr len 0/8 retry 1" |
| 05:20:24 | S_a_i_n_t | still unstable.... |
| 05:20:28 | jho | No idea what that really means though ;p |
| 05:20:41 | S_a_i_n_t | is it just the USB stuff that's keep it listed as unstable? |
| 05:20:44 | S_a_i_n_t | anyone know? |
| 05:21:38 | S_a_i_n_t | what's the USB keypad mode set to? |
| 05:21:55 | S_a_i_n_t | my 2g HATES it set to anything other that multimedia |
| 05:21:59 | S_a_i_n_t | *than |
| 05:22:16 | jho | I've tried them all, too :) |
| 05:22:49 | jho | With multimedia mode I get a panic when unplugging, with the other two nothing really happens. Dmesg output still remain mostly same for all of them |
| 05:23:36 | jho | Actually. Now I just unplugged with multimedia mode without getting a panic... |
| 05:23:47 | jho | But I got it the first time I tried. Strange. |
| 05:24:20 | S_a_i_n_t | well, all I know is that my win OS won't detect my 2g Nano with USB HID set to ON, and USB Keypad mode set to anything other than Multimedia |
| 05:24:34 | S_a_i_n_t | but it's not a stable port yet, so I can't really cry about it |
| 05:25:38 | jho | My Linux box detects it with all modes, but can't mount it. |
| 05:26:52 | mc2739 | jho: you might want to look at FS #10775 - this seems to help some nano2g filesystem problems |
| 05:27:22 | S_a_i_n_t | have you tried it on a Win OS? |
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| 05:28:52 | jho | mc2739: Thanks, that looks quite much what I'm experiencing too |
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| 05:44:41 | S_a_i_n_t | jho...if it works for you, could you send me an email? |
| 05:44:53 | S_a_i_n_t | st.lascivious@slingshot.co.nz |
| 05:46:26 | jho | S_a_i_n_t: Sure. :) Though I guess I'll be staying here in IRC too |
| 05:48:05 | S_a_i_n_t | well, if I'm still here (which I should be) don't worry, just gimme a bell :P |
| 05:48:08 | S_a_i_n_t | thanks |
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| 06:00:30 | S_a_i_n_t | jho: I was reading about that patch, and it seems like it's more orientated towards crashes and panics when writing to the NAND...would that affect an OS from detecting the DAP? |
| 06:03:26 | jho | S_a_i_n_t: I sure hope so. :p Actually, if I could just create the database and browse the file system that'd be all I need. I could boot into the Apple firmware to put stuff in there |
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| 06:04:25 | jho | After unplugging I'm getting a panic and FTL errors though, so I'm having at least partly the same issues as in the bug too |
| 06:05:49 | S_a_i_n_t | ahhhh... |
| 06:06:27 | S_a_i_n_t | what size Nano is it? |
| 06:06:33 | S_a_i_n_t | 1, 2, 4? |
| 06:06:33 | jho | 2 GB |
| 06:07:17 | S_a_i_n_t | hmmm, I *occasionally* get a panic that results in a reboot and DFU mode...fuck knows whats causing that. |
| 06:07:23 | S_a_i_n_t | doesn't sound like the same thing |
| 06:07:38 | S_a_i_n_t | but mine is 2g too |
| 06:07:48 | S_a_i_n_t | 2g AND 2G |
| 06:09:26 | S_a_i_n_t | it panics (but I never get a chance to read anything other than PANIC), reboots, then displays an odd battery icon in the middle of the screen, that fades...then it beeps (REALLY loud) and when I reboot manually it's in DFU mode *sigh* |
| 06:09:46 | jho | Oh sweet. A panic. "nand_power_up:nand_reset:2" |
| 06:09:52 | jho | With the patch that is |
| 06:10:14 | S_a_i_n_t | that's sweet? |
| 06:10:21 | S_a_i_n_t | or was that sarcasm? |
| 06:12:02 | S_a_i_n_t | have you ever heard of the panic, reboot, odd-icon beep, reboot to DFU thing I described? |
| 06:12:11 | jho | No |
| 06:12:22 | S_a_i_n_t | I wouldn't know where to start looking to fix that up... |
| 06:12:26 | jho | Just an ordinary panic ;p |
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| 06:16:09 | S_a_i_n_t | I almost had a fit when my iPod started beeping at me like that...I'd never heard it make such a loud noise before...or any noise other than a slight 'click' actually. |
| 06:17:25 | gibbon_ | i ONCE hat a situation similar to that on my mini 1g |
| 06:18:09 | gibbon_ | without that battery icon beep... and rebooting was to the diagnostic menu (which i first saw that day, not knowing how to get there again) |
| 06:18:28 | gibbon_ | but it was when i still was using apple os on that machine |
| 06:18:44 | S_a_i_n_t | you may not of even noticed the batt icon thing...it fades VERY quickly |
| 06:18:53 | S_a_i_n_t | and its not an icon I'm used to seeing |
| 06:19:18 | gibbon_ | the mini has a "your battery REALLY has drained" battery icon |
| 06:19:26 | S_a_i_n_t | it had a tiny triangular 'yeild' type icon overtop of an empty battery cell |
| 06:19:49 | gibbon_ | which is basically a battery of twice the size of tokyo |
| 06:20:02 | S_a_i_n_t | in the dead center of the screen, that faded REAL quick..then I had to reboot, and was in DFU mode |
| 06:20:23 | S_a_i_n_t | ie: your iPod is Fucked...please use GayTunes to resore it. |
| 06:20:52 | gibbon_ | but i guess i am talking of a completely unrelated issue here... it just also had a very loud noise that annoyed me... and a lot of other people around |
| 06:21:50 | S_a_i_n_t | it sounds similar....its stil iPod FW...so that really loud beep probably means the same thing... |
| 06:22:04 | gibbon_ | maybe |
| 06:22:05 | S_a_i_n_t | whatever that is.... |
| 06:22:09 | gibbon_ | but still i am not able to reproduce |
| 06:22:13 | S_a_i_n_t | my battery was FAR from empty |
| 06:22:17 | gibbon_ | because its another device :/ |
| 06:22:18 | S_a_i_n_t | it was full in fact. |
| 06:23:13 | S_a_i_n_t | i *thought* it may be a 'rapid discharge' feature...like some cellphones have...but I doubt that. |
| 06:23:34 | gibbon_ | i have to go to work now... ill be back in about 30 minutes |
| 06:23:39 | jho | Woah |
| 06:23:50 | jho | The database actually works and I can browse the FS with http://www.rockbox.org/tracker/task/10775?getfile=21108 |
| 06:24:16 | * | jho dances |
| 06:24:29 | S_a_i_n_t | hmmmm, I'd try it, by my problem sounds more and more different to yours as time goes on |
| 06:24:41 | S_a_i_n_t | i could always browse the file system and use the DB |
| 06:25:00 | jho | Yeah, I think I had two issues :) |
| 06:25:10 | jho | The worse one was fixed with that one |
| 06:25:49 | jho | Woot, I can now mount it too |
| 06:26:12 | S_a_i_n_t | so, it was one issue? |
| 06:26:24 | * | S_a_i_n_t is eating...bbs |
| 06:26:30 | jho | Seems like that |
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| 06:28:56 | mc2739 | jho: could you add a comment to that task with your symptoms and results? |
| 06:30:12 | jho | Sure :) |
| 06:30:19 | jho | Can guests add comments or do I need to register? |
| 06:30:35 | S_a_i_n_t | comments on....? |
| 06:30:36 | mc2739 | no, you will need to register |
| 06:30:46 | S_a_i_n_t | oh...yeah, register. |
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| 06:38:06 | CIA-6 | New commit by kkurbjun (r24175): Commit FS #10594 - Remove duplicated buttonlight code for Gigabeat F/X. |
| 06:45:49 | mc2739 | no, you will need to register |
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| 07:58:00 | S_a_i_n_t | does anybody know why the 1st & 2nd Gen Nano SIM's are so wildly disproportionate? Not just in themselves, but from each other? the 2nd Gen is about 20% larger in the SIM..in real life, they're the same size. |
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| 08:47:49 | GodEater | S_a_i_n_t: in answer to your question, I would imagine it's because the background images are simply different sizes - the screensize on each looks the same to me. |
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| 08:59:53 | Llorean | GodEater: I think in terms of bookmarks the problem mentioned more relates to simply the UI for accessing them |
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| 09:00:10 | Llorean | To a lot of people bookmarks are like webpage bookmarks - they contain the information for both the file and the location. |
| 09:00:29 | Llorean | So they'd expect to see a listing somewhere of files that have bookmarks in them, and then after selecting the file, a list of times bookmarked. |
| 09:00:35 | Llorean | Something like the playlist catalogue but for bookmarks. |
| 09:00:48 | GodEater | probably so - I wanted to make a small UI improvement once, which was to keep the bookmark in the same directory as the files it relates to, instead of the parent directory |
| 09:00:53 | Llorean | So it's not really to do with the bookmark format but just how the existing ones are accessed. |
| 09:00:54 | GodEater | and I couldn't work out how to do it :( |
| 09:01:14 | * | Llorean thinks it might be nice if all the bookmarks were kept in one /.rockbox/bookmarks directory. |
| 09:01:32 | Llorean | But there'd probably be issues with duplicate filenames. |
| 09:01:40 | S_a_i_n_t | not an entirely bad idea... |
| 09:01:48 | S_a_i_n_t | but I've got used to where they are now |
| 09:02:11 | GodEater | Llorean: that was the other thing I thought about implementing too - but it's really not straightforward |
| 09:02:28 | Llorean | GodEater: Maybe if the format ever improves, then. |
| 09:02:56 | S_a_i_n_t | do people expect them to *not* be in the files .dir? |
| 09:02:57 | GodEater | it got to the point where I thought that if I ever wanted those things in there, bookmarks might as well get re-written from scratch |
| 09:03:37 | Llorean | S_a_i_n_t: If you're used to bookmarking in almost any other software, there's a menu or menu entry named "bookmarks" that you simply select to see your bookmarks |
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| 09:04:03 | S_a_i_n_t | what about, if a bmark is created, turn on recent bmark listing by default? |
| 09:04:05 | Llorean | Think IE, firefox, media player classic, VLC and others |
| 09:04:35 | Llorean | Recent bookmarks aren't too helpful if you create a lot of them, and it's a very awkward list since it's simply organized by time. Even with uniques only enabled, it's not what users are trained to expect by other software. |
| 09:04:45 | Llorean | It would alleviate the issue, but not resolve it. |
| 09:05:05 | S_a_i_n_t | what about looking at how bmarks are named then |
| 09:05:48 | Llorean | If a user's expecting to find bookmarks in the menu somewhere, no amount of clever file naming is going to put the bookmark file in front of the user so they can spot it. |
| 09:06:04 | S_a_i_n_t | good point |
| 09:06:17 | S_a_i_n_t | it has to be idiot-proof to be effective |
| 09:06:35 | S_a_i_n_t | and not get a bitchy comment in the forums |
| 09:06:40 | Llorean | Not necessarily idiot-proof |
| 09:07:04 | Llorean | But to be easy to figure out, it needs to be somewhat similar to the current expectation of bookmarks - that there's a list of them to be found in a menu choice. |
| 09:07:15 | Llorean | Almost everything I can think of off the top of my head does it that way. |
| 09:08:07 | S_a_i_n_t | well, in that case....it doesn;t really matter where they're put, just how, and where they're listed. |
| 09:08:23 | Llorean | More or less, yes. |
| 09:08:27 | GodEater | eesh - that screenshot of how he wants the EQ to look is a waste of time |
| 09:08:38 | GodEater | there's very few targets with enough screen real estate to do it |
| 09:08:39 | S_a_i_n_t | tell me about it |
| 09:08:56 | S_a_i_n_t | it's kinda sad 'cos he must of gone to a lot of effort. |
| 09:09:07 | Llorean | GodEater: Wasn't rasher (I think) working on something like that? |
| 09:09:13 | GodEater | no idea |
| 09:09:17 | Llorean | I know somebody was. |
| 09:09:24 | Llorean | Maybe linuxstb. |
| 09:09:35 | GodEater | it won't fit on the same screen on most targets though |
| 09:10:24 | S_a_i_n_t | would it be correct to say that *most* peoples 'problems' with rockbox stem from having prior expectations of what it *should* do? |
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| 09:10:36 | GodEater | S_a_i_n_t: that's my belief |
| 09:10:57 | GodEater | a lot of people when they first install it say something along the lines of "my OF did X - why doesn't rockbox do X?" |
| 09:11:00 | Llorean | The expectations that come from the OF we're often unlikely to be able to fix. |
| 09:11:01 | S_a_i_n_t | Hmmm.....some pppl (gui guy) are more passionate than others it seems |
| 09:11:18 | Llorean | The expectations that are more general things (like the bookmarking thing) probably make sense to improve since they'd bring some ease of use even to those of us who know how it works |
| 09:11:42 | S_a_i_n_t | true |
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| 09:12:46 | S_a_i_n_t | but when people say "it should be easier to use", it'd be nice if they continued with "....by implementing X, or Y" |
| 09:13:14 | GodEater | which is the point we've kept trying to stress whenever someone says that |
| 09:13:22 | Llorean | That's what we usually say right up front when someone starts down that path - please name specific examples of how you'd improve it, rather than what you'd improve. |
| 09:14:06 | S_a_i_n_t | I like the "why has noone ported to X Device yet...?" posts... |
| 09:14:15 | S_a_i_n_t | always get an amusing answer. |
| 09:14:55 | S_a_i_n_t | or the "rockbox broke my DAP" posts... |
| 09:15:33 | S_a_i_n_t | you guys probably don't enjoy them quite so much... |
| 09:15:58 | GodEater | that's an understatement |
| 09:16:14 | GodEater | and probably one of many reasons why Llorean "retired" as forums admin |
| 09:16:48 | S_a_i_n_t | and how he got to <10K posts... |
| 09:16:55 | Llorean | Nah. I retired because I was getting more complaints than I liked from the non-user side of the fence too. |
| 09:17:37 | S_a_i_n_t | the L.L.O.R.E.A.N accronym in Golden Quotes is amusing. |
| 09:17:54 | GodEater | *most* of the stuff in GoldenQuotes is amusing ;) |
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| 09:18:28 | S_a_i_n_t | cut&paste Pod Touch guy is my personal fav :D |
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| 09:18:35 | S_a_i_n_t | *iPod |
| 09:20:07 | S_a_i_n_t | I read the IRC log for that, and he got so pissed off in IRC I would of thought he'd of tried a little harder with the image |
| 09:20:24 | S_a_i_n_t | "my ccamera's alittle buggy"...pfffft |
| 09:20:53 | * | S_a_i_n_t finishes ranting |
| 09:34:02 | S_a_i_n_t | If I was going to put up a link to pre-built Dict description files on the Forum, where would I put it, Plugins or General Discussion? |
| 09:35:32 | Llorean | You wouldn't. |
| 09:35:37 | Llorean | Permanent links to stuff don't belong on the forums. |
| 09:36:35 | S_a_i_n_t | it's not permanent...expires if it's not used in 30 days. |
| 09:37:12 | S_a_i_n_t | is there a better place I could put it? or just no? |
| 09:37:13 | Llorean | Even then. |
| 09:37:21 | Llorean | The forums are for discussion, not posting links etc. |
| 09:39:47 | Llorean | What's the license on the files you'd like to share? |
| 09:41:30 | S_a_i_n_t | they're just user generated dict descriptions, so currently, none. |
| 09:42:27 | S_a_i_n_t | was there something specific about Wordnets license stopping them being included, or was it just because they're huge? |
| 09:42:49 | * | S_a_i_n_t thought it was the latter. |
| 09:43:52 | Llorean | Most likely the size, yes. |
| 09:44:06 | Llorean | It could be included in the "extras" download, or as its own extra. |
| 09:44:20 | Llorean | It has a specific license of its own, that must be included with any distribution of it. |
| 09:46:13 | S_a_i_n_t | well, it doesn't include the Wordnet files themselves, just the output from wn2rdf |
| 09:46:22 | S_a_i_n_t | does that count? |
| 09:46:52 | Llorean | It's a modified version of the original dictionary, right? Modified to be usable with the plugin? |
| 09:47:36 | S_a_i_n_t | welyes? |
| 09:47:50 | S_a_i_n_t | yes rather. |
| 09:48:02 | Llorean | You really should read licenses if you want to get involved with Rockbox in any way. They're important. |
| 09:48:54 | Llorean | The wordnet one says you have permission to create modified versions of their files, but sets out the terms under which you may do so and distribute them. |
| 09:49:31 | * | S_a_i_n_t will have a look at them now... |
| 09:49:43 | S_a_i_n_t | and thanks. |
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| 11:51:01 | liar | jho: please try the latest patch from fs#10775? (it shows more debug info) i really need to know why it fails for you |
| 11:57:21 | jho | Okay, gimme a sec :) |
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| 12:05:22 | jho | liar: Okay, I added a comment on the tracker |
| 12:07:09 | liar | weird |
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| 12:09:04 | liar | please comment out line 192 from firmware/target/arm/s5l8700/ipodnano2g/nand-nano2g.c |
| 12:09:07 | liar | and try it again |
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| 12:16:55 | jho | liar: Then it panics on nand_wait_status_ready:2 |
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| 12:17:21 | jho | (Sorry for the delay btw, I'm on my old laptop now and compiling is a pain) |
| 12:18:41 | liar | it seems like there is something wrong with bank 2 |
| 12:20:25 | liar | try to add a sleep(HZ/20); before nand_wait_status_ready |
| 12:22:30 | jho | Still panicing |
| 12:23:29 | liar | very interessting |
| 12:24:29 | jho | I can't be sure if the hardware is fully functional though.. I bought this one just when the 2g models came out, so it's a bit aged ;p |
| 12:24:48 | jho | But I'd imagine that it'd be misfunctioning in some other way too if that was the case...? |
| 12:26:59 | liar | i need to talk with TheSeven.. but it seems like there is something wrong with your nand |
| 12:27:14 | liar | keep the sleep in nand_reset and comment nand_wait_status_ready |
| 12:28:38 | liar | jho: if that still panics there is something wrong with your nand(but would have seen other panics before if that was the case) |
| 12:29:39 | jho | Nope, doesn't panic now |
| 12:30:07 | liar | your NAND is even stranger than mine |
| 12:30:45 | jho | :D |
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| 12:31:32 | liar | jho: i think you can reduce that sleep to sleep(0); |
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| 12:33:32 | jho | liar: Yeah, seems to work with sleep(0) |
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| 12:45:10 | liar | jho: in case TheSeven or linuxstb return someday it will propably added to svn |
| 12:45:20 | liar | be added* |
| 12:45:30 | B1er | hey, i have a few questions: 1. I own a Archos 2, can i use rockbox with it ? (It isn't clear to me by checking the list) and 2. if i can't use it, are there alternatives ? |
| 12:46:11 | jho | B1er: There's a list of supported Archos devices at the front page of rockbox.org |
| 12:46:29 | B1er | it isn't clear to me by checking the list, can i get a definite answer ? |
| 12:46:41 | jho | The answer depends highly on the model of your player |
| 12:47:03 | B1er | i own a archos2 |
| 12:47:03 | jho | Unfortunately I don't own a crystal ball, so I can't provide a definite answer with the information you've given us |
| 12:47:40 | B1er | what has a crystall ball todo with a mp3 firmeware ? |
| 12:48:03 | B1er | and what do you need for a definite answer ? |
| 12:48:13 | jho | Archos2 == Archos Recorder V2? |
| 12:48:29 | pixelma | I doubt it |
| 12:49:28 | B1er | it just says archos 2. i don't think it's a recorder can you give me a picture ? |
| 12:50:07 | jho | Actually I was mistaken. There does exist a thing called Archos 2 |
| 12:50:11 | jho | http://www.archos.com/products/mp3_players/archos_2/index.html?country=uy&lang=en |
| 12:50:14 | pixelma | B1er: Rockbox only runs on some older Archo models. The current build page has some small pictures |
| 12:50:18 | jho | Would your player be anything like that? |
| 12:50:21 | B1er | eah exactly |
| 12:50:29 | B1er | yeah exactly |
| 12:50:35 | B1er | and i m very unhappy with the firmeware |
| 12:51:10 | jho | Unfortunately that model doesn't seem to be in the stable ports list. |
| 12:51:18 | jho | So no, you probably can't use Rockbox with it |
| 12:51:46 | pixelma | then no, and I don't know about other alternatives (and don't think anyone else around here will) |
| 12:51:58 | B1er | hm... and another question i have: i can't seem to find files on the storage that point out to run the firmeware, is there a way to see those files ? |
| 12:52:11 | B1er | (about the firmeware) |
| 12:52:38 | topik | firmware. only one e |
| 12:53:11 | topik | and that seems more of a question of an archos channel/forum. it is unrelated to rockbox |
| 12:53:57 | B1er | yeah, but i m wondering how you did get the files ? so i thought you might know the solution for it |
| 12:54:35 | B1er | i see 2. possibilities: 1 . archos gave it to you or 2. you extracted it somehow |
| 12:55:13 | topik | 3. a firmware update is available for download |
| 12:55:20 | pixelma | well, things might have changed in Archos firmwares since then |
| 12:55:30 | pixelma | (4) ;) |
| 12:55:49 | B1er | okay, i get the point: you don't know about the newer versions :| okay, thanks for your help. |
| 12:55:59 | topik | good luck on your quest |
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| 12:57:43 | pixelma | hmm... wanted to tell him something still but |
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| 14:04:02 | S_a_i_n_t | Has anyone noticed that scrolling lines on pictureflow are broken? (nano 2g, r24175) |
| 14:04:28 | S_a_i_n_t | Chars tha hit the left side of the screen get stuck there. |
| 14:05:39 | Torne | raise a bug? :) |
| 14:06:02 | S_a_i_n_t | just wanted to check if it's just me first... |
| 14:07:47 | Torne | does that make a difference? it shouldn't do it for anyone |
| 14:08:31 | topik | if you give me a minute to enable the database i'll try it too |
| 14:10:07 | S_a_i_n_t | filename needs to be long enough to scroll off the left side |
| 14:10:20 | topik | why does enabling the database require a reboot anyway? |
| 14:10:52 | S_a_i_n_t | sometimes it does, soemtimes it doesn;t |
| 14:11:00 | topik | it says it does |
| 14:11:11 | evilnick | The first one does |
| 14:11:17 | topik | but why |
| 14:11:17 | S_a_i_n_t | havn't figuerd out the correlation between the two yet though |
| 14:11:28 | topik | i have your issue too, S_a_i_n_t |
| 14:11:35 | topik | letter stuck on the left side |
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| 14:11:43 | S_a_i_n_t | yeah, weird huh? |
| 14:11:57 | topik | well i was not too surprised after you just called it |
| 14:12:04 | S_a_i_n_t | I thought it was all scrolling at first, but it's just pictureflow fom what I know |
| 14:12:07 | topik | would have been weirder at this point if it didn't happen for me |
| 14:12:39 | S_a_i_n_t | no, not weird you have it too, weird it does it at all. |
| 14:13:04 | Torne | enabling the database requires a reboot if there isn't a suitale buffer to uild the dataase in |
| 14:13:17 | Torne | if you have dircache or various other things turned on then it steals the buffer from that to build it |
| 14:13:28 | Torne | if it can't steal enough buffer space you have to reboot |
| 14:13:30 | S_a_i_n_t | thanks torne |
| 14:13:37 | S_a_i_n_t | appreciated, honestly |
| 14:13:55 | topik | my nano must have a puny buffer then. thanks for the info |
| 14:14:12 | topik | S_a_i_n_t: same pictureflow bug on my fuze |
| 14:14:12 | Torne | no, it means you have a large audio buffer ;) |
| 14:15:08 | S_a_i_n_t | I didn't think it was model specific, pictureflow is picturefolw isn;t it? |
| 14:15:14 | topik | seems all letters are drawn on top of eachother on the left side |
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| 14:15:38 | topik | it is, but i figured screen size might play a part |
| 14:15:52 | S_a_i_n_t | would anyone already registered on the tracker like to post the bug? |
| 14:15:56 | * | S_a_i_n_t isn't |
| 14:16:06 | topik | i can probably do that |
| 14:16:36 | Torne | S_a_i_n_t: you should probably register on the tracker anyway, if you intend to hang around and tell us about bugs ;) |
| 14:16:37 | S_a_i_n_t | I can *probably* do it too, just haven't registered on the tracker |
| 14:16:55 | topik | i have registered and am willing to post it for you, is what i meant |
| 14:17:00 | S_a_i_n_t | yeah, will do |
| 14:17:05 | topik | then it's yours |
| 14:17:06 | S_a_i_n_t | thanks |
| 14:17:21 | * | S_a_i_n_t takes the easy way out if he can most times :D |
| 14:17:37 | S_a_i_n_t | *the LAZY way out |
| 14:18:45 | S_a_i_n_t | whats a Jabber ID? |
| 14:19:00 | Torne | if you don't know you don't have one |
| 14:19:04 | Torne | or at least you don't want to enter one ;) |
| 14:21:18 | topik | task #10893 added S_a_i_n_t |
| 14:21:47 | S_a_i_n_t | ...but, ...but? |
| 14:22:01 | * | S_a_i_n_t was halfway there :( |
| 14:22:01 | topik | you spent too long taking the easy way |
| 14:22:48 | * | S_a_i_n_t didn't realise it had to be done in lightspeed :D |
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| 14:42:21 | S_a_i_n_t | howcome the 'roadmap" on the tracker has ''next release'' and ''3.5''? |
| 14:42:33 | S_a_i_n_t | won't the next release BE 3.5? |
| 14:42:41 | Torne | next release is *always* the next release :) |
| 14:42:45 | funman | yes but not forever |
| 14:42:59 | funman | (at least i hope) |
| 14:43:59 | S_a_i_n_t | the the 'next version' is 'next version <3.5'? |
| 14:44:34 | S_a_i_n_t | *release rather |
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| 14:59:43 | mc2739 | Would anyone care to look at the latest patch on FS #10856 and offer comments? |
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| 16:28:06 | sinuc | hi folks, super project! however, can anyone give me a hint on how to get the time on the screen the whole time? is this theme dependent, a plugin or a simple setting i cant find? |
| 16:30:49 | kugel | sinuc: it is theme dependant yes |
| 16:31:25 | sinuc | thank you |
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| 16:40:09 | S_a_i_n_t | would it be possible to get iPods to play Keyclicks with the built in speaker? |
| 16:40:17 | S_a_i_n_t | like the OFW does? |
| 16:41:09 | kugel | sure |
| 16:41:19 | kugel | I guess we don't know how yet |
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| 16:41:53 | Torne | There's a FS# for it |
| 16:42:29 | Torne | 5111 |
| 16:42:46 | S_a_i_n_t | thanks |
| 16:45:28 | saratoga | 5111 is ancient |
| 16:45:35 | saratoga | whats the reason it never went in? |
| 16:48:38 | Torne | there's a lot of bickering in the comments |
| 16:48:48 | Torne | i think it's the disagreement over when we should actually make a noise |
| 16:48:58 | Torne | rather than any problem with the actual driver for the piezo itself |
| 16:49:31 | sinuc | the default esperanto lang file is broken on ipod nano 1. generation, it doesnt show the special chars, instead you get a box |
| 16:49:51 | Torne | sinuc: the language file is not broken, your font just doesn't contain the special chars |
| 16:49:56 | Torne | pick a font that does |
| 16:50:09 | sinuc | ouch, thanks |
| 16:50:27 | Torne | saratoga: it's related to that argument that spilled onto the -dev list about whether we hsould beep when you bump into the end of a scrolling list, and so on |
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| 16:50:29 | S_a_i_n_t | there's a LOT of bickering in the comments about it |
| 16:51:24 | Torne | it was on my to-look-at list for a while |
| 16:51:26 | kugel | the whole aps/ changes seem like a bad hack to me |
| 16:51:35 | Torne | but in the end i decided i didn't care that much about the piezo because i normally have headphones on |
| 16:51:47 | Torne | somoene should maybe pluck out the actual piezo driver and put it in |
| 16:51:58 | kugel | IMO it should replace the existing sw keyclick feature on those ipods |
| 16:52:20 | Torne | should it, though? |
| 16:52:40 | Torne | you can't hear it with headphones on. problem for accessibility? |
| 16:53:04 | * | Torne shrugs and realyl doesn't care. It might be nice to have the driver, if nothing else because frotz wants to be able to beep :) |
| 16:54:16 | kugel | I somehow doubt we added the sw keyclick as a accessibility feature, but I'm sure both could be co-exist using the same settings etc |
| 16:54:46 | kugel | it seems fs5111 hacks into various places just so that it doesn't click in the wps |
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| 16:55:16 | * | Torne disclaims any opinion about when the piezo should make a noise, but thinks the driver should be committed regardless :) |
| 16:56:06 | kugel | I would eventually want to look it at if I happen to get rockbox running on the samsung yh-j70, it has a hw piezo too |
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| 16:57:39 | * | kugel questions the driver too |
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| 16:59:02 | sinuc | missing some words in esperanto tho, nevermind love the project already, a pity tho i own this device for about 2 or 3 years and i find out about this project so much more later.. heh, have a good evening y'all. |
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| 17:01:14 | pixelma | sinuc: if you know esperanto you could help updating the translation |
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| 17:01:43 | Torne | kugel: well, i mean if it's ok technically :) |
| 17:03:26 | kugel | it seems to have a thread just to protect from being called concurrently, I'm sure a mutex is enough; but well |
| 17:03:45 | kugel | not my business afterall, but I dislike the apps/ changes |
| 17:05:24 | kugel | oh, maybe the thread is needed :) |
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| 17:26:15 | S_a_i_n_t | guess I sould've mentioned it was for nano 2g |
| 17:26:28 | S_a_i_n_t | that patch doesn;t seem to accomodate the 2g |
| 17:27:12 | kugel | nano2g probably needs a separate driver since I don't believe the hardware mapping is going to be the same |
| 17:28:14 | S_a_i_n_t | bugger... |
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| 17:30:33 | kugel | I think it should be possible to disassemble |
| 17:30:45 | kugel | or, reverse engineer by disassembling |
| 17:31:56 | Torne | S_a_i_n_t: when you say ipods generally people will assume you mean the portalplayer-based ones since there are way more of them and they've been supported a lot longer :) |
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| 18:01:27 | liar | S_a_i_n_t: you said you have problems with your nano 2g and rockbox earlier this day. can you give me a description of what is wrong with it? |
| 18:03:30 | S_a_i_n_t | well, it's only happened about 3 times total, but here goes: Panic, weird battery icon in the middle of the screen (of icon maybe?)+VERY loud beeping noise, screen fades to blank, needs hard reset, resets to DFU mode. |
| 18:04:09 | liar | do you remember what the panic message said? |
| 18:04:46 | S_a_i_n_t | too quick to catch it, flashes REAL quick. |
| 18:05:39 | S_a_i_n_t | icon displayed (whilst fading and LOUD_ASS beeping) looks like a 'yeild' symbol overtop of an empty battery cell? |
| 18:05:50 | S_a_i_n_t | but battery is full, or not empty rather |
| 18:06:15 | liar | what where you doing until that happened? |
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| 18:06:40 | S_a_i_n_t | twice just listening to music |
| 18:06:52 | S_a_i_n_t | once was just turning it on from a new install |
| 18:07:31 | S_a_i_n_t | I never even knew a nano could make any other noise than click before than |
| 18:07:37 | S_a_i_n_t | scared the hell outta me |
| 18:07:41 | S_a_i_n_t | it was LOUD |
| 18:07:57 | S_a_i_n_t | irritated the hell outta everyone on the bus |
| 18:09:31 | maruk | liar: I also get battery icon when the ftl get corrupted. So the problem, is the FTL panic. |
| 18:10:11 | liar | was it a constant weee noise? |
| 18:10:40 | S_a_i_n_t | high pitched..irritating as hell |
| 18:10:46 | S_a_i_n_t | faded with the screen |
| 18:12:32 | S_a_i_n_t | do you think you have an idea what it may be liar? |
| 18:12:36 | liar | maruk: i think we talked already about your panics - have you tried my patch since then? and does that still happen with my patch? |
| 18:13:14 | maruk | let me check the lastest patch tonight (GMT+1). |
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| 18:16:38 | liar | S_a_i_n_t: i dont know where the noise is comming from. but the panic might come from the nand driver as the rockbox version still contains some bugs |
| 18:17:40 | S_a_i_n_t | I've looked at the NAND patch, but it doesn't seem consistent with my problem |
| 18:18:33 | funman | is statusbar display buggy when lcd is flipped ? I can't test it on the simulator |
| 18:18:39 | S_a_i_n_t | weird icon+screen fade+beep, hard reset "your iPod is fuked, please use gaytunes to restore it' screen. |
| 18:19:11 | liar | S_a_i_n_t: that use itunes to restore might be because of the bug in the nand driver |
| 18:19:43 | liar | mine produces noise constantly. but its not that loud as you describe it(i only hear it if i hold my nano to my ears) the OF prouces this noise too |
| 18:19:43 | S_a_i_n_t | beep+fading never (or hardky) before seen icon? |
| 18:19:59 | liar | battery empty image |
| 18:20:00 | liar | ? |
| 18:20:15 | S_a_i_n_t | that's what I thought it could be |
| 18:20:22 | S_a_i_n_t | a rapid discharge feature |
| 18:20:23 | liar | maruk: do these ftl panics happen frequent? |
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| 18:20:44 | S_a_i_n_t | but my battery has been full, or at least half each time |
| 18:20:56 | liar | S_a_i_n_t: yeah i've seen that too |
| 18:21:07 | liar | my battery was full too |
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| 18:21:34 | S_a_i_n_t | as far as the volume, maybe your piezo is damaged? |
| 18:21:40 | S_a_i_n_t | as mine is REAL loud |
| 18:22:02 | S_a_i_n_t | first time it happened I was in a totally different room, and it made me come running |
| 18:22:21 | S_a_i_n_t | I thought it was a fire alarm or something |
| 18:23:13 | liar | thats really loud. i think my patch would be worth a try |
| 18:23:35 | S_a_i_n_t | is yours the NAND driver one? |
| 18:23:48 | S_a_i_n_t | could you post a link so I don;t have to search again? |
| 18:23:50 | S_a_i_n_t | please. |
| 18:24:01 | maruk | liar: no. I would said once a week. |
| 18:24:04 | funman | status bar display in flipped mode works fine on Clip but it's 1bit display, not 16 bits like the fuze |
| 18:24:18 | funman | not sure if there is a difference though |
| 18:24:26 | liar | S_a_i_n_t: fs#10775 (http://www.rockbox.org/tracker/task/10775) |
| 18:24:55 | S_a_i_n_t | re: the volume, I *honestly* had no idea such a small thing could make such a loud noise, it reminded me of a 'rape alarm' |
| 18:25:05 | S_a_i_n_t | and thnx |
| 18:25:25 | maruk | liar: once every 30h of usage (I guess it is more useful info). |
| 18:26:04 | liar | maruk: do they happen while powering off? |
| 18:26:22 | liar | or if a programm writes to the flash? |
| 18:26:42 | maruk | liar: while powering off. |
| 18:27:40 | liar | then i am pretty sure my patch can help |
| 18:28:02 | maruk | liar: so I will try. |
| 18:28:44 | liar | and please tell me if it works, or still fails |
| 18:29:02 | S_a_i_n_t | regarding your patch liar, is it important to note that I've NEVER had file system errors? I can always view database and files fine on my 2g |
| 18:29:11 | S_a_i_n_t | unless USB HID is ON |
| 18:29:20 | S_a_i_n_t | and then it won't even mount |
| 18:30:29 | liar | S_a_i_n_t: you see panic mount: 0 or something like that if you disconnect it afterwards? |
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| 18:30:46 | S_a_i_n_t | no |
| 18:31:15 | S_a_i_n_t | used to get a panic with DIRCACHE enabled, but thay fixed that |
| 18:31:36 | liar | can you have a look at the disk with a hex editor? |
| 18:32:14 | S_a_i_n_t | not with USB HID on, no |
| 18:32:35 | S_a_i_n_t | it HAS to be set to off on my system for some reason. |
| 18:33:42 | liar | S_a_i_n_t: can you mount it if it is set off? |
| 18:33:50 | S_a_i_n_t | yep |
| 18:34:10 | S_a_i_n_t | so, it's not really a problem, just weird |
| 18:34:15 | liar | thats the usb bug |
| 18:34:24 | liar | the one i have |
| 18:34:41 | GodEater | S_a_i_n_t: which OS is that? |
| 18:35:03 | S_a_i_n_t | same thing used to happen on my 1g nano with USB Keypad Mode set to anything other than Multimedia |
| 18:35:17 | S_a_i_n_t | Win OS |
| 18:35:35 | S_a_i_n_t | XP Pro, and Home, and Win ME |
| 18:35:37 | * | GodEater thinks it's an OS bug |
| 18:36:02 | S_a_i_n_t | pre/post OS format :( |
| 18:36:07 | Torne | GodEater: but everyone knows all standards are defined as "whatever works with Windows" |
| 18:36:10 | Torne | see ACPI |
| 18:36:12 | GodEater | yes, a bug |
| 18:36:18 | GodEater | i.e. reinstalling it won't help |
| 18:36:18 | Torne | :) |
| 18:36:19 | pixelma | I don't have any problems with Rockbox USB and my c200 on a Win XP |
| 18:36:21 | GodEater | Torne: ;) |
| 18:36:39 | GodEater | pixelma: bah - different language of Windows though ;) |
| 18:37:03 | pixelma | of course |
| 18:37:24 | GodEater | so S_a_i_n_t just needs to change his language settings to German and he'll be fine |
| 18:37:28 | GodEater | :D |
| 18:37:36 | pixelma | I did have a problem with HID on MacOS 10.4 though and that was an OS bug... ;) |
| 18:37:50 | pixelma | it still is |
| 18:38:46 | S_a_i_n_t | if it's OS bug, then souldn't it do the same for my 1g nano too? |
| 18:39:05 | liar | S_a_i_n_t: its a bug in the usb driver.. |
| 18:39:13 | liar | i might have a look at it this night |
| 18:39:28 | S_a_i_n_t | GodEater seems to disagree |
| 18:39:56 | Torne | S_a_i_n_t: All the players look a bit different over USB :) |
| 18:40:01 | GodEater | well if turning off USB HID fixes it, then the problem is in how your OS is handling the device is it not? |
| 18:40:33 | S_a_i_n_t | or how the device defines USB HID? |
| 18:40:36 | Torne | S_a_i_n_t: the configuratoin descriptor we hand back to the OS is not the same on different devices regardless of HID, so depending what the bug actually is almost any combinatoin of cockups is possible |
| 18:40:41 | liar | GodEater: there is a bug(or something like thousands) in the nano2g usb driver |
| 18:41:23 | * | GodEater wonders if he can get away with playing with Mrs GodEater's Nano 2G to see if he can reproduce on linux |
| 18:41:36 | Torne | GodEater: has anyone had it happen on linux? |
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| 18:41:49 | * | S_a_i_n_t takes a step back and lets the devs battle it out |
| 18:41:54 | tomers | http://svnsearch.org/svnsearch/repos/ROCKBOX/search - that's so cool :-) |
| 18:41:54 | Torne | i would've hoped that we had read the spec and that linux has read the spec and thus we could agree ;) |
| 18:41:57 | GodEater | Torne: I've no idea |
| 18:41:58 | liar | i am running linux and i see the bug ... |
| 18:42:03 | GodEater | that's why I was going to check |
| 18:42:34 | Torne | liar: when you say "the" bug you know you might not be talking abou the same one right? :) |
| 18:42:53 | Torne | there is undoubtedly more than one problem in this area :) |
| 18:43:15 | S_a_i_n_t | personally, I think it's two (or more) different bugs... |
| 18:43:17 | Torne | the Mac OS X thing was *definately* an OS bug, not ours, and affected all players iirc |
| 18:43:27 | liar | GodEater: the nano2gs behave very different. some freeze, some show stkovs if the usb cable gets connected |
| 18:43:52 | * | GodEater can't find the 2g anyway |
| 18:43:55 | Torne | wait, when you say it doesn't mount you mean the player itself crashes? |
| 18:43:59 | GodEater | will have to wait till she gets home |
| 18:44:00 | Torne | not just the host can't find it? |
| 18:44:44 | S_a_i_n_t | ah, that's mixing two different problems I have |
| 18:45:02 | liar | Torne: for me the player totally locks up |
| 18:45:09 | liar | not even interupts are triggered |
| 18:45:37 | Torne | fun :) |
| 18:46:09 | * | Torne bows out of this one anyway, not having a nano 2g, or knowing a huge amount about usb, or ever having had this problem in any form on anything :) |
| 18:46:13 | S_a_i_n_t | my USB HID thing, DAP won't mount...my crash DFU mode thing is another story altogether |
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| 18:47:14 | liar | S_a_i_n_t: the crash and the use itunes to restore will be fixed with my patch |
| 18:47:17 | liar | i am pretty sure |
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| 18:49:05 | S_a_i_n_t | I'd like to think so, it's just the 'seemingly unrelated MEGABEEP thing' that makes me doubt that it will... |
| 18:49:10 | S_a_i_n_t | but worth a try |
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| 18:49:52 | S_a_i_n_t | it doesn't happen to me nearly as frequently as you've described. |
| 18:49:57 | S_a_i_n_t | only 3 times ever |
| 18:50:06 | liar | S_a_i_n_t: the panic,.. the battery empty image,.. the use itunes to restore.. thats very suspicious |
| 18:50:33 | S_a_i_n_t | evr is the entirity of the 2g ports duration. |
| 18:50:53 | S_a_i_n_t | suspicious of? |
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| 18:51:50 | S_a_i_n_t | I'd *LOVE* to know what is is exactly, even if it's fixed and won;t ever happen again, I'd still like to know what it *was* |
| 18:52:01 | liar | suspicious, that it is the NAND bug |
| 18:52:31 | S_a_i_n_t | have you ever had to restore from your bug? |
| 18:52:47 | S_a_i_n_t | 'cos mine is everytime, not just occasional |
| 18:53:04 | S_a_i_n_t | well, each of the 3 times |
| 18:53:04 | liar | i had use itunes to restores after every panic |
| 18:53:10 | liar | and the battery image |
| 18:53:23 | S_a_i_n_t | but no beeping? |
| 18:53:30 | S_a_i_n_t | weird... |
| 18:53:35 | liar | no beeping |
| 18:53:46 | S_a_i_n_t | sounds the same except fot the beep, it's BLOODY loud |
| 18:53:51 | S_a_i_n_t | you wouldn;t miss it |
| 18:55:32 | liar | can a dc dc converter make such loud noise? |
| 18:56:17 | S_a_i_n_t | dc dc convertor? |
| 18:56:51 | liar | S_a_i_n_t: that was a question to everyone who might know the answer ;) |
| 18:57:24 | * | S_a_i_n_t was just wondering what one was... |
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| 18:59:43 | liar | S_a_i_n_t: a dc dc converter converts a voltage level to another level. your player needs many different voltages at different places |
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| 19:02:31 | S_a_i_n_t | liar:thanks. |
| 19:02:43 | liar | some of them make noise |
| 19:02:51 | liar | some of them make loud noise |
| 19:02:54 | liar | :) |
| 19:05:28 | S_a_i_n_t | this noise is definitely made by the OFW I'd say, it's irritating for a purpose, not by coincidence IMHO |
| 19:05:53 | funman | mc2739: why do you need to check screen orientation in window code for e200v2, isn't that done automatically by the controller ? |
| 19:06:10 | funman | on fuze I didn't modify lcd_window_*() and I see (almost) proper flipping |
| 19:09:32 | liar | S_a_i_n_t: i really suspect it's a side effect of the nand driver bug |
| 19:11:22 | S_a_i_n_t | well, when my GF gets home, and I compile and reinstall, we'll know (or way may not, as the occasional nature of the bug means it may indeed NEVER happen again) |
| 19:12:07 | S_a_i_n_t | *even without the patch it hasn't happen in 2 weeks + |
| 19:13:07 | S_a_i_n_t | before than there was 2 months or so between crashes |
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| 19:44:05 | funman | (still on e200v2) |
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| 20:20:09 | domonoky | b1uebrother: do we plan a rbutil release somewhere near the upcomming rockbox release ? |
| 20:20:55 | domonoky | if so, we should plan todo the naming change on the themepage shortly before/after that :-) |
| 20:21:39 | b1uebrother | domonoky: haven't thought about that in detail yet. But we definitely need to asjust the theme site :) |
| 20:22:46 | b1uebrother | I'd really like to get that strings change things out of the way asap, then hopefully get some testers in the forums. Just in case some other breakage by the naming change has still been missed |
| 20:22:56 | domonoky | the problem is, that its difficult to support both namings. so i only want todo it when the new rbutil release is ready, to not break the current rbutil. |
| 20:23:09 | CIA-6 | New commit by bluebrother (r24176): Make strings better translatable by allowing to change the position of the dynamic part. |
| 20:24:28 | CIA-6 | New commit by bluebrother (r24177): An ellipsis is always exactly three dots, not two. |
| 20:25:08 | funman | domonoky: did you notice discussion about r24174 yesterday ? |
| 20:25:13 | b1uebrother | domonoky: it definitely might be good to push a rbutil release the same time we release 3.5. |
| 20:25:38 | domonoky | funman: no.. *goes to check the log* |
| 20:25:57 | b1uebrother | I've posted about this issue to the ML a bit ago |
| 20:26:25 | funman | btw I understand from discussion with JdGordon that 3.5 isn't going to happen anytime soon |
| 20:26:36 | b1uebrother | and we should try to get translations updated before the next release |
| 20:26:54 | b1uebrother | funman: oh? Any major blockers or what did I miss? |
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| 20:27:28 | funman | I'd like to know as well |
| 20:28:11 | b1uebrother | ah, ok. I have to admit that I wasn't following closely the last days :) |
| 20:28:47 | * | domonoky doesnt know any major blocks.. we should just do the release :-) delaying indefinitly is certanly not what we want. |
| 20:29:08 | funman | quoting B4gder : |
| 20:29:11 | funman | > 2 - because several pretty largish changes have recently been committed that |
| 20:29:11 | funman | > I think will appreciate getting slightly longer time to settle before we can |
| 20:29:12 | funman | > consider them release-worthy. |
| 20:29:34 | funman | well, quoting JdGordon himself quoting B4gder |
| 20:30:27 | b1uebrother | hmm, so basically what went through the ML? Rather vague. |
| 20:31:07 | * | domonoky still wonders what this big changes are, nobody said something concrete. |
| 20:33:51 | domonoky | funman: you meant the discussion about fullstops ? (i dont really care about such details, as long as it works, and i can read the text :-) ) |
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| 20:34:28 | funman | ah perhaps it's unrelated to your mail, just so you knew about it |
| 20:35:11 | funman | domonoky: right it's rather vague, perhaps we do not want to incorrectly interpret words of our benevolent dictator Daniel ! |
| 20:35:33 | domonoky | did somebody already start with a release checklist (for users to note what was tested in rc builds), like was discussed ? |
| 20:35:59 | funman | no |
| 20:36:15 | gevaerts | in a way |
| 20:36:23 | b1uebrother | domonoky: well, changing such details means that all translations need to get updated. Plus, if one wants to get it consistent it should be done properly. Otherwise it kinda defeats the purpose of the claim. |
| 20:37:08 | gevaerts | domonoky: Zagor started on a web/database thing, and we did a tiny bit of thinking about what the checklist should include |
| 20:37:53 | domonoky | gevaerts: nice. such a web/database thing could also be nice for rbutil testing :-) |
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| 20:40:00 | domonoky | b1uebrother: true about the translation (although the string isnt lost, its just marked as unconfirmed), and the commit message could have been better. But i still dont really care, instead i am happy others also hack at rbutil. :-) |
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| 20:43:59 | b1uebrother | domonoky: well, I do care about details :) Especially if a change is (IMO) to the worse. |
| 20:44:03 | tessarakt | ah, Sansa E200v2 seems to be quite advanced now |
| 20:44:14 | tessarakt | currently installing, thanks a lot! |
| 20:44:16 | b1uebrother | but btw: how should we handle abandoned translations? |
| 20:45:01 | b1uebrother | like the turkish and chinese translation: those have less than 50% of all strings translated and haven't been updated for quite a while. |
| 20:45:22 | b1uebrother | does it make sense to keep them in the release? |
| 20:46:43 | domonoky | i am not sure. we surely want to keep them in svn, but could exclude them from release. |
| 20:47:38 | funman | gevaerts: is that checklist somewhere? |
| 20:48:20 | b1uebrother | yes, that was my idea too. As in remove all translations that have less then 50% strings translated from the translation resource before a release. |
| 20:49:15 | domonoky | b1uebrother: sounds good. |
| 20:49:39 | gevaerts | funman: http://docs.google.com/Doc?id=dhd2nzjv_1gtp58fx3 |
| 20:51:10 | funman | do we wait for this beta testing platform to be ready before 3.5 ? |
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| 21:05:12 | JdGordon| | if a viewports width and lcd width is known, is it possible to get the original x if it was aligned left or right without knowing which side it was aligned to? |
| 21:10:18 | JdGordon| | assuming we know it should aligned right for rtl langs |
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| 21:16:03 | JdGordon| | as much ad I think they are redundant, I have a way to fix all viewport colours from settings without needing to reload anything |
| 21:18:27 | JdGordon| | it gets a bit weird if both a sbs and ui vp setting are there though... if both use the setting for colours its no problem |
| 21:18:42 | JdGordon| | if neither do which colours get used? |
| 21:19:24 | JdGordon| | even if only one uses the setting, should that still be used? |
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| 21:21:52 | funman | kugel: if i remove lcd_write_reg(0x48, ymin); from lcd_window_y() windowing is still correct |
| 21:22:13 | kugel | JdGordon: the ui vp should take precedence.. |
| 21:22:41 | kugel | funman: possibly, the of does that |
| 21:23:00 | kugel | how do you test if it's corrent? |
| 21:24:23 | GodEater | does anyone besides slasheri know how tagcache gets metadata from files? Does it have to load the sound codecs to do it? |
| 21:25:00 | funman | kugel: just seeing the lcd displays correctly |
| 21:25:04 | kugel | GodEater: it calls the parser for that filetype, all parsers are built-in currently |
| 21:25:24 | GodEater | has anyone had a look at taglib at all? |
| 21:25:32 | GodEater | and whether it might be worth porting? |
| 21:25:43 | kugel | funman: that doesn't seem like a very good test |
| 21:25:53 | funman | what would be a good test ? |
| 21:27:44 | kugel | GodEater: it's C++ apparently |
| 21:29:00 | kugel | and we support a lot more formats |
| 21:29:06 | GodEater | right |
| 21:29:30 | GodEater | after having realised that, I wondered if we should do the opposite, and take our parsers and turn them into a lib |
| 21:29:35 | GodEater | maybe someone would find it useful :) |
| 21:29:36 | kugel | so, I doubt it's worth it :) |
| 21:29:45 | GodEater | no, it's definitely not for us |
| 21:29:57 | GodEater | I'm just chatting with the MediaTomb guys |
| 21:30:09 | CIA-6 | New commit by Domonoky (r24178): allow to browse all themes regardless of target. |
| 21:36:59 | CIA-6 | New commit by Domonoky (r24179): fix smarty error. |
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| 21:42:26 | * | domonoky looks at the download counters in the themepage, and wonders if the can be right.. over 1k downloads for certain themes ? |
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| 21:58:14 | gevaerts | Zagor: have you seen http://build.rockbox.org/shownewlog.cgi?rev=24174;type=gigabeatsboot and http://build.rockbox.org/shownewlog.cgi?rev=24178;type=sansafuze ? |
| 21:58:28 | Utchybann | pin liar |
| 21:59:36 | Llorean | domonoky: We do have a lot of users |
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| 22:00:03 | gevaerts | Zagor: also, I still get "Fatal build error: Missing log file. You have been temporarily disabled" every now and then, seemingly without recovering |
| 22:00:12 | domonoky | Llorean: looks like it :-) |
| 22:00:15 | liar | Utchybann: pon |
| 22:00:28 | Zagor | gevaerts: :-( |
| 22:00:34 | S_a_i_n_t | what theme & platform has the highest dl ratio? |
| 22:01:32 | Utchybann | liar: I tried you latest patch on my nano2g and no panic on boot. |
| 22:02:37 | S_a_i_n_t | seems that patch has been helpful for a number of people now. |
| 22:02:39 | liar | Utchybann: okay nice to hear. if you still get a ftl panic please tell me |
| 22:03:34 | S_a_i_n_t | liar: I've decided it's not worth me installing the patch tho, as I can't reliably reproduce the error. |
| 22:03:38 | gevaerts | Zagor: what's weird is that both of those failures show a totally different number of errors and warnings |
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| 22:04:16 | Utchybann | liar: sure. I switch to this nano2g as I have 2 nano2g with 2 different nand chip. I only get panic on shutdown with one nano. |
| 22:04:23 | CIA-6 | New commit by Domonoky (r24180): allow to view all themes also for admins. |
| 22:05:04 | * | liar spotted where the nano 2g usb driver freezes(if the cable is connected during boot) |
| 22:05:50 | Utchybann | liar: I'm writing a new entry in debug menu to dump nand info. This could help when people report problem to see if this affect only some nand chip. |
| 22:06:11 | domonoky | S_a_i_n_t: if you look at the number of themes, e200/e200v2 surely win.. :-) |
| 22:06:23 | liar | Utchybann: thats a good idea |
| 22:07:05 | domonoky | S_a_i_n_t: but the top x downloaded themes, are all ipod video sized. |
| 22:08:28 | Utchybann | liar: I also think that we could update the nano2g wiki about clickwheel which is 100% functional for me and include wheel accel. |
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| 22:09:15 | liar | Utchybann: i think i dont have permission to do that |
| 22:09:45 | GodEater | liar: why not? |
| 22:10:13 | liar | GodEater: i thought i need to be registered to do that |
| 22:10:26 | Utchybann | liar: I can do it. |
| 22:10:31 | GodEater | you do, but it takes about 10 seconds ;) |
| 22:10:41 | GodEater | you register, tell us your name, we give you permissions |
| 22:10:49 | liar | GodEater: i let Utchybann do the work :P |
| 22:10:57 | GodEater | fair enough |
| 22:11:04 | Utchybann | :) |
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| 22:16:17 | * | liar thinks he has found another nano2g usb bug |
| 22:16:28 | funman | kugel: turns out the register setting in lcd_window_y() needed after all |
| 22:16:29 | funman | is* |
| 22:18:22 | kugel | and how did you test that now? (I have no idea how to test this, except for a extra plugin drawing colored boxes maybe) |
| 22:19:37 | Utchybann | liar: are you under linux or windows or osx ? |
| 22:19:54 | liar | Utchybann: linux |
| 22:20:43 | S_a_i_n_t | liar: do tell about the nano 2g bug |
| 22:21:34 | Utchybann | liar: ok. I'm under linux too but didn't have problem with nano2g usb. I have thought that it could be related to windows or osx... |
| 22:22:19 | liar | S_a_i_n_t: while (GRSTCTL & 1); in usb_reset locks up if the cable is connected during boot. cant tell you more as i dont know much about usb |
| 22:23:26 | * | liar needs a s3c6400 datasheet |
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| 22:25:33 | Utchybann | liar: if I remember theseven have several datasheet. |
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| 22:26:07 | liar | TheSeven hasnt been here for a while |
| 22:30:54 | funman | 8 days according to /msg logbot seen TheSeven |
| 22:31:17 | funman | kugel: output was garbled in mpegplayer, and on startup |
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| 22:34:49 | liar | hah usb is working |
| 22:35:29 | CIA-6 | New commit by funman (r24181): Sansa Fuze: LCD ... |
| 22:35:33 | CIA-6 | New commit by funman (r24182): Sansa e200v2: LCD ... |
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| 22:36:21 | tessarakt | the battery level of my e200v2 went down pretty fast while playinh |
| 22:36:31 | tessarakt | well, doing a full charge now, and then I'll see |
| 22:36:45 | funman | tessarakt: yes, rockbox is less power efficient than the OF |
| 22:36:58 | tessarakt | :-( |
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| 22:52:31 | GodEater | on that model |
| 22:52:52 | * | GodEater thinks we should stress that it's the goal of rockbox to exceed the original firmware's battery life |
| 22:53:43 | pamaury | does rockbox outperforms OF on some targets ? |
| 22:53:49 | B4gder | on several |
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| 22:56:24 | GodEater | pretty much all of the "stable" targets isn't it? |
| 22:56:55 | B4gder | hm, yes that might be right |
| 22:59:41 | tessarakt | GodEater: good |
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| 23:03:14 | liar | is here anybody who is familiar with the s3c6400? |
| 23:03:51 | liar | s3c6400x* |
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| 23:03:53 | pamaury | what is this ? ;) |
| 23:04:54 | liar | pamaury: an usb chip or something ;) |
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| 23:09:17 | liar | ah - it is a RISC but the nano2g seems to use its usb interface(altough the nano2g has a differen cpu) |
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| 23:10:08 | kugel | liar: s3c64xx is a samsung soc |
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| 23:11:03 | kugel | the linux kernel has code for it, and there are comercial devices that run linux on it, so you might want to have a look there if you think it's similar enough |
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| 23:17:04 | CIA-6 | New commit by Domonoky (r24183): Allow users to report themes to the admins for review. |
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| 23:21:28 | AlexP | domonoky: How and who is alerted? |
| 23:22:18 | domonoky | AlexP: at the moment noone :-) but you can see the reported ones in the admin interface. (they are also not hidden, thats left to the admin to decide). |
| 23:22:28 | kugel | funman: if you can make a sense of those R_GAMMA_* you could try implementing lcd contrast |
| 23:22:42 | AlexP | domonoky: nice, that's the best type of reporting :) |
| 23:22:56 | kugel | I have had a very short try, but it was just trial and error |
| 23:25:08 | funman | kugel: do you have the hd66789r datasheet ? |
| 23:25:21 | kugel | no |
| 23:25:31 | funman | just google for it, it's on rockbox website |
| 23:25:37 | funman | 2nd or 3rd result |
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| 23:25:57 | funman | the registers are described page 64, although i can't make a sense of this description :) |
| 23:25:58 | kugel | ah yea, I was about to say it's on the wiki |
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| 23:29:05 | CIA-6 | New commit by Domonoky (r24184): fix theme selection in admin view. |
| 23:30:44 | domonoky | AlexP: do you think someone should get noticed (email) with this button ? |
| 23:31:39 | AlexP | domonoky: I'm not sure it is terribly useful otherwise - I never look at the admin interface unless someone asks me to. |
| 23:32:52 | domonoky | and who ? theme author (should be a easy change) or admins ? |
| 23:33:07 | AlexP | What is the intention of the button? |
| 23:33:39 | domonoky | report bad/broken/illegal themes to us, so we can review them. |
| 23:34:12 | AlexP | I think it should e-mail those that volunteer in that case |
| 23:34:22 | AlexP | Otherwise nobody will notice :) |
| 23:34:34 | domonoky | :-) |
| 23:34:48 | AlexP | those that volunteer = admins that volunteer :) |
| 23:35:24 | domonoky | there are no admin email there at moment, but i could build something so admins can enter them and get spammed :-) |
| 23:36:40 | AlexP | :) |
| 23:36:54 | kugel | maybe something flashy on the front page that indicates a job for an admin? |
| 23:37:22 | AlexP | I think that'd just distract everyone else |
| 23:37:24 | domonoky | kugel: thats also a nice idea.. |
| 23:37:37 | AlexP | depends how it is done |
| 23:38:04 | domonoky | just display a little graphic on the front page "admin work needed" on certain conditions. |
| 23:39:22 | domonoky | if someone makes a nice graphic, i could easily do the rest :-) |
| 23:48:24 | domonoky | so is someone here, who could make a nice "admin work needed" graphic ? or else i have todo it my self with paint *shudder* |
| 23:49:30 | kugel | as if we needed a graphic ;) |
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| 23:54:54 | domonoky | if noone has something better, i will use something like this: http://imagebin.ca/view/u3EYLjx.html in the right top edge. :-) |
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| 23:56:56 | domonoky | or is emailing to all volunteering admins better ? |
| 23:57:50 | B4gder | perhaps admins could just get a "list of pending remarks" when they are on the site? |
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