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#rockbox log for 2010-01-05

00:00:03kugelwe're trying to make people to even log into the admin area :)
00:00:03*B4gder crawls back into his hole
00:00:11kugeldomonoky: the text is fine imo
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00:06:25sagemfreakkugel: ping
00:06:50sagemfreakive read FS #10097
00:07:02sagemfreak(the clickweel scroll issue)
00:07:45sagemfreakive submitted FS #10883
00:08:09sagemfreakis there any new progress?
00:10:11kugelthere was a patch posted to fs10097 after you opened it
00:10:22kugelI believe both tasks are about hte same problem
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00:11:14sagemfreakyes i belive it too
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00:12:01sagemfreakbut the problem is not covered complete at the moment - both patches are not resolving the problem full.
00:12:17sagemfreak-> quickscreen issue? (eating of clicks)
00:12:35kugelhave you tried the last patch at fs10097?
00:14:25sagemfreaki am compiling it right now
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00:19:30JdGordon1kugel: why should the setting take precendence over the sbs?
00:19:44JdGordon1neither actually makes any sense
00:20:01kugelI think I've explained that a dozen times in the ML discussion we had
00:20:12CIA-6New commit by Domonoky (r24185): Display a image on the theme frontpage, if admin attention is needed.
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00:21:12kugelthe ui vp is only used for the lists, that dictates the colors of the list (either set, or color settings via "-"), sbs %Vi area comes after
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00:22:05JdGordon1if they are both set, then they are both *always* used together
00:22:40kugelyou mean the intersection?
00:22:55JdGordon1well, yes
00:23:31kugelthe intersection is just to make the ui vp fit, it still defines the (max) dimensions
00:24:06JdGordon1yes, I know...
00:24:13JdGordon1dimensions and colour are seperate issues
00:24:14kugelso it also defines the colors
00:24:37JdGordon1so we should take the bitwise OR of the colours then?
00:24:42kugelwhy? it's on purpose that you don't set only the dimensions via up vp
00:24:45kugelui vp*
00:24:47JdGordon1sorry.. AND
00:25:26JdGordon1I know..... what I'm saying is... if you have colours set in the sbs and in the setting... it doesnt really make sense to chose either of them
00:25:37kugelthe ui vp overrides the %Vi area
00:26:11kugel%Vi is used as a fallback, it's not something you're garuanteed to get
00:26:49JdGordon1neither overrides either
00:26:51kugelit does make sense to chose the ui vp color
00:27:28JdGordon1if anything the sbs is more important than the setting because it limits the setting
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00:28:47kugelthe intersection is only to make the ui vp fit, because it will be ugly otherwise. the colors don't have this problem, we can just take the ui vp color
00:30:23kugelthe ui vp was always meant to override %Vi
00:30:33kugelby all means
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00:35:58JdGordon1I dont necessarily agree with that.. but OK
00:36:15JdGordon1I'm trying to get viewports to be recolourable without bein reloaded
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00:36:39kugelan event maybe?
00:36:39JdGordon1is tomers ever in IRC?
00:37:08JdGordon1yeah, but with some extra smarts in the viewport struct so we know if we actually need to
00:37:54JdGordon1did you see m version of tomers' lang align WPS token?
00:38:12kugelseems not
00:39:00JdGordon1I've added a new align token which makes the next token do its thing based on the lang
00:39:22JdGordon1%aa atm, but I'm open to suggestions
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00:41:10kugel_I'm nore in favor of a condition and his %aL and %aR idea
00:41:48JdGordon1imo thats too verbose
00:41:57JdGordon1also, its for more than just skins
00:42:22kugel_well, otherwise you need RTL handling for every kind of tag
00:42:40JdGordon1not all of them
00:42:54JdGordon1but if you have a conditional you effectivly double the size of the skin
00:43:06JdGordon1which means most people wont bother doing it
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00:43:40kugel_that's why I would take %aL and %aR, so you don't need the conditional for every stupid line of text
00:44:05kugel_but for arranging icons/aa, conditional viewports are better suited imo
00:44:42JdGordon1doesnt setting the RTL flag on the viewport make all lcd functions using it follow the rtl?
00:45:17kugel_yes, but the skin engine can clear this flag after viewport_parse_viewport()
00:45:41kugel_the align tags override it anyway since they do alignment manually IIUC
00:45:55JdGordon1that doesnt sound right
00:46:14JdGordon1the alignment tags are per line, not vewport
00:46:14JdGordon1per subline even
00:47:05JdGordon1so the viewport rtl =flag should never be changed
00:48:21kugel_what is the viewport.c change?
00:48:40kugel_the flag means that text within the vp is right aligned, not that the whole viewport is aligned on the right edge
00:48:41JdGordon1to make it work
00:49:10JdGordon1it means both after the change
00:49:16kugel_that's wrong
00:49:19JdGordon1if its set before that func is called
00:49:24JdGordon1if its set after then its only text
00:49:31kugel_RTL isn'T simply "mirror everything"
00:50:00*JdGordon1 knows that
00:50:18JdGordon1although it does for 90% of it
00:50:57kugel_that change is wrong
00:51:10JdGordon1actually no, I would argue it does in fact mean miror everything
00:51:20kugel_viewports are often aligned to something on the backdrop, you're going to make it all wrong
00:51:33kugel_only the text is rtl, not the whole display
00:52:09JdGordon1I'd ague otherwise
00:52:24JdGordon1especially since the left/right is flipped and the entire list is also
00:52:54kugel_but not the viewport
00:53:04kugel_only the text alignement and direction, nothing else
00:53:08kugel_that's RTL
00:53:22JdGordon1that depends on the skin author
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00:53:35kugel_that's RTL in the entire computer business
00:53:38JdGordon1so ok, maybe that sholdnt be there
00:54:10JdGordon1putting it there means that doesnt need to be duplicated anywhere
00:54:58kugel_you change it for every viewport there, not only for those being rtl aware
00:55:12kugel_the dimensions of viewports shouldn't be touched by rtl every
00:55:23JdGordon1that wasnt going to work for the ui setting anyway though... grr
00:55:28*JdGordon1 really doesnt want to change the viewport definintion syntax
00:56:20kugel_hence the conditional. that's *way* more flexible anyway, it allows to react on rtl in an intelligent manner
00:56:55*kugel_ isn't sure why it's part of RTL to change the location of the AA
00:57:12kugel_is the location of the AA really a locale thing?
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00:57:20kugel_isn't it a matter of taste, rather?
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00:58:46kugel_there are themes which have the AA on the right no matter of rtl
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00:59:19JdGordon1not the dimensions.. just the X position... and its not really a matter of taste, its UI design
00:59:54kugel_I said location, not dimension
01:00:13JdGordon1(03:58:05 PM) kugel_: the dimensions of viewports shouldn't be touched by rtl every
01:00:17kugel_and yes, it's UI design (and hence the matter of taste of the author), and not depending on the locale
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01:11:22JdGordon1kugel_: dont take this the wrong way... but do you speak any RTL langs?
01:11:38kugel_no, you?
01:12:09JdGordon1tomers first language is hebrew, hebrew is my second language... so yes
01:15:21JdGordon1so yes, the location of ui elements is a matter of taste, that taste is very much from the region
01:16:15JdGordon1using a single token means that any skin that doesnt work the way you like can be changed with 3 characters instead of totally fudging with it
01:16:30kugel_and locale stuff is something that is defined in a language, right? not a regional taste?
01:17:44kugel_%aL, %aR and the conditional allow full flexibility and full rtl support, without bloating the skin code
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01:18:27kugel_all text that has %al and %ar already just replaces them (no extra chars), so only few conditional viewports are added
01:18:30JdGordon1you expect logos on the left of text because the language works that way
01:19:08JdGordon1I think my version of %aa using %aL and %aR would work best
01:19:09kugel_the AA too?
01:19:36JdGordon1there is no right answer there :)
01:20:03JdGordon1putting %aL right before a %V or %Cl token would solve everything
01:20:12kugel_that %aa largely limits the ability for a nice theme
01:20:20JdGordon1not at all
01:20:31JdGordon1it has 0 effect on LTR langs
01:20:45kugel_because the skin should look nice with ltr and rtl, but being bound to stupidly mirroring stuff
01:21:04JdGordon1if you use it at all, it means you will use it on all...
01:21:12JdGordon1you wouldnt only use it once
01:22:13kugel_any rtl-aware theme will just be perfectly symetric, because the plainly mirrored stuff needs to fit to the backdrop
01:22:24JdGordon1if you have 2 viewports the same size with a margin of X between them and the lcd edge, AA on the left, text on the right... if you use %aa on both then they will magically swap if a RTL lang is used
01:22:37JdGordon1it doesnt need to be symetric at all
01:23:48kugel_only the conditional actually keeps the freedom in design we have now
01:24:27JdGordon1you are totally missing the point I think
01:24:44kugel_on a side note, we do such things traditionally via conditionals, such an %aa tag seems inconsistent and out of place
01:25:31JdGordon1yes a conditional would work wel and should probably be added anyway.... but 99% of themes arnt done with RTL in mind, which means if anyone wants to take one of those themes they have a massive amount of work to fix them
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01:27:48kugel_add both then, although I think we both aren't fans of redundancy where it's not actually needed
01:28:46kugel_I doubt I'd make my themes RTL aware if it makes me being limited to react on plain mirroring nicely
01:29:30JdGordon1The *only* way a theme could be limited in any way is if a bad backdrop is used... and if thats the case then its a dead simple fix also
01:29:56kugel_bad because it's not symmetric?
01:30:24JdGordon1bad because it puts graphical elements where it expects the viewports to be
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01:31:16kugel_that's 99% of the todays themes
01:31:22kugel_the other 1% don't have a backdrop
01:31:46kugel_doing it that way is overcoming limitations of rockbox
01:31:46JdGordon1even the cabbie theme background sort of has this problem with its position of the rockbox text
01:32:17JdGordon1but its alot easier mirroring a bmp than a horrible skni file
01:32:37kugel_horrible skin file?
01:32:37JdGordon1*anyone* can mirror the image without any extra software
01:33:03JdGordon1have you ever tried modifying someonme elses skin? they are horrible to read
01:33:35kugel_that won't change
01:33:55kugel_%aL and %aR doesn't make it any worse
01:34:16JdGordon1which is why its much easier to add a single %aa to the viewports that need to be switched than redo the whole viewport in a conditional
01:35:28kugel_redo'ing it potentially means reacting nicer on rtl that just mirroring it
01:36:01kugel_and you only redo those which are meant to be rtl aware, which (in my expectation) most aren't
01:36:05JdGordon1more often than not, no, it will just work
01:36:21JdGordon1if any extra work is needed they wont bother with a conditional at all will they?
01:36:38JdGordon1they'll just fix it as needed and forget about trying to make it work for ltr
01:36:40kugel_the conditional works 100% of the time
01:37:16*JdGordon1 thinks %ax might be better than %aa
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01:37:25kugel_extra work means copy and paste in the cases %aa works
01:37:36kugel_that's zero actual extra work
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01:38:22kugel_I just dislike putting limits on people that make good themes
01:38:25JdGordon1I'm geting on the plane soon... I'm going to fix tomers' %aL/R, and make my %aa work better, and add a is rtl conditional and commit
01:38:45kugel_without that viewport.c change I hope
01:38:51JdGordon1the barrier to entry to make themes RTL needs to be tiny, or there is no point bothering at all
01:39:03JdGordon1there are no limits
01:39:06JdGordon1show me a theme which wouldnt work
01:39:26kugel_tux 2.0
01:39:26JdGordon1especially when none of these changes does anything for LTR langs
01:41:21JdGordon1that theme is terrible anyway.. but how would that not work?
01:41:39JdGordon1unless the whole top is one viewport
01:41:42JdGordon1in which case thats a crap wps
01:41:43kugel_assuming the grey area is one viewport, the AA would cover tux
01:42:04kugel_so it needs more work than just %aa to make it work
01:42:11JdGordon1so mirror the bmp in mspaint
01:42:28kugel_that's what I mean
01:42:28JdGordon1I've never said that %aa is the silver bullet
01:42:44kugel_mirroring in mspaint doesn't help anyone
01:42:46JdGordon1domonoky: I've just seen the report box.... can it be shrunk, or moved? its a bit... big
01:42:56kugel_it should be dynamic on rtl, not statically
01:42:57JdGordon1sure it does... how doesnt it?
01:43:03JdGordon1it could be both
01:43:18JdGordon1you are still missing the point
01:43:22kugel_so you can do %aa%mspaint to move tux?
01:43:44JdGordon1most themes wont have any RTL support.. which means the only ones which will have are ones downloaded which the user wants to fix
01:43:57JdGordon1if they want it ltr then they would have to use a conditional
01:43:58kugel_the point is that %aa doesn't make it all magically simple to change
01:44:05JdGordon1or not a SHIT backdrop
01:44:06domonokyJdGordon1: sure i can change it. but i think it isnt so big. which browser do you use ?
01:44:34JdGordon1firefox, screen res is 1024x800 or something small (netbook)
01:45:16JdGordon1anyway, time to get ready to board.... kugel_, its been fun as always :)
01:45:22*JdGordon1 back in a few hours
01:45:24domonokyJdGordon| so it should be less high ? like 4 lines or so ?
01:45:54JdGordon1you cant do a javascript text box if the report button is clicked?
01:46:24JdGordon1ah, its not shown on the full listing so its not too bad
01:46:26CIA-6New commit by Domonoky (r24186): reduce size of input box from theme reporting.
01:46:26*JdGordon1 gone
01:48:20domonokyfor the logs: yes its only shown on the themedetails page. and till now i deliberatly avoid this javascript things :-)
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05:15:48S_a_i_n_ttrying to instal FS5111:
05:15:52S_a_i_n_tmissing header for unified diff at line 5 of patch
05:15:53S_a_i_n_tcan't find file to patch at input line 5
05:15:53S_a_i_n_tPerhaps you used the wrong -p or −−strip option?
05:15:53DBUGEnqueued KICK S_a_i_n_t
05:15:53S_a_i_n_tThe text leading up to this was:
05:15:53***Alert Mode level 1
05:15:53S_a_i_n_t|Index: apps/action.c
05:15:57S_a_i_n_t|−−- apps/action.c (revision 23894)
05:15:59S_a_i_n_t|+++ apps/action.c (working copy)
05:16:03S_a_i_n_tFile to patch:
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05:27:53krazykitS_a_i_n_t, use patch -p0?
05:28:59krazykitit applyed to r24186 cleanly enough for me, assuming you're using the latest patch
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05:30:32q0_0panyone here know how to fix ipod nano 1st gen when it loads it freezes with a picture of a folder?
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05:34:02evilnickq0_0p: Looks like an Apple problem: "There are several icons that your iPod nano can display that indicate problems with the iPod or portions of its program. If you see either a folder or a sad iPod with an exclamation point, first fully charge your iPod nano. If you still see the icon, try resetting and restoring your device..."
05:34:37q0_0pthx evilnick
05:34:54q0_0pevilnick, it is a folder with an exclamation point correct
05:35:00q0_0pevilnick, thx for the help
05:35:09evilnickNo problem :)
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05:42:42q0_0pevilnick, itunes is not able to read the ipod nano nor am i able to fdisk -l in linux to read it. Could it be that because the problem lies in the battery?
05:44:33evilnickq0_0p: I don't know for sure, but I'd guess that it's disk corruption of some type, so perhaps the best way of rescuing it would be to put it into disk mode (instructions are on the page I linked to earlier) then restore it.
05:44:52evilnickObviously the usual caveats about making sure you have a backup of any important info etc. still apply
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05:45:16q0_0pevilnick, thx
05:45:21q0_0pevilnick, will give a try
05:46:38q0_0pevilnick, ah diskmode is a strange procedure
05:46:42q0_0pevilnick, interesting
05:47:02q0_0pevilnick, interesting how u have to hit the buttons a certain way
06:01:09tmztq0_0p: in linux, anything interesting in dmesg?
06:01:35q0_0ptmzt, i gave up trying linux but i will try it again now that i found out u can do disk mode
06:01:58q0_0ptmzt, u think sometimes linux will read it and itunes will not?
06:02:28tmztno, diskmode is the right way
06:02:29q0_0ptmzt, i reset with menu + center then afterwards center + pause/play and it gets stuck at apple logo
06:02:49tmztcan't help you with iPod sorry
06:02:53q0_0ptmzt, its cool
06:02:59q0_0ptmzt, what do u use?
06:03:13tmztsansa fuze
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09:53:56nimaIs it possible to rotate rockbox's display?
09:54:04nimaAnd maybe reassign buttons?
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09:55:11nimaI have a Sansa e200 which I think might be a bit easier to use in the c200-style configuration
10:05:48markunnima: not without changing the source code..
10:08:29nimaAh, OK
10:08:33nimaMight be a cool feature
10:08:44nimaI can make the LCD upside-down
10:08:57nimaBut not rotated 90 degrees
10:11:36nimaOoh, upside-down is kinda nice
10:12:03nimaIt looks like the buttons are adjusted appropriately too
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10:29:20markunnima: yes, rotation would be cool, but would need a lot of work.
10:29:39markununless you want to always rotate it
10:31:19markunthere is/was a patch for the gigabeat to do that.
10:33:40nimaWhat do you mean by "always rotate it"?
10:34:11GodEateras in "not have the option to rotate it back again without recompiling"
10:34:50nimaAre things that are screen-dimension-dependant hard-coded?
10:34:59nimaOh, OK
10:35:28markunand it might choose different bitmaps in various plugins etc depending on the resolution and rotation
10:35:38markun.. at compile time
10:36:36nimaStill might be cool enough to be worth it. I know I'd really like it
10:36:47markunnima: can you program a little?
10:36:54markunmight be a cool project to work on.
10:38:02nimaA bit. I will look around a little tomorrow and see if it's something I might be able to do myself
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10:54:56amiconnmarkun: Rotating should be relatively easy on a square display though
10:55:29amiconnIt essentially reduces to lcd controller fiddling, similar to flip on (almost) all bitmap targets
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11:11:26gevaertsthat's only two targets though
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11:13:49*gevaerts doesn't count the lyre prototype 1, since on those the screen can easily be rotated physically anyway
11:15:49amiconnH10 small and ?
11:15:54gevaertsgogear hdd1630
11:16:01gevaertsalso 128x128
11:18:02gevaertsanyway, flipping the buttons isn't going to be easy on at least the h10 I think, so it would probably have to be screen rotate only
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12:21:30liarjho: could you try the latest patch from fs#10775 again? if that works we can drop that annoying sleep again
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16:10:04jholiar: I tested the patch and it works fine.
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16:59:33TorneI'm considering changing pluginlib_exit to support a function to be run at exit time, a bit like atexit() in POSIX, because otherwise plugins that use exit() can leak filehandles rather easily. Anyone want to comment on before I commit? :)
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17:29:33wrah2are there any known problems with the web translation interface?"> doesn't look healthy
17:30:14wrah2and it's giving me useless diffs
17:30:29rasheroh boy
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17:30:35rasherI'll look into it
17:31:49webguest18is there any rockbox development in 6th gen ipods?
17:31:58marukwebguest18: no
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17:38:09JdGordonis rockbox_default.wps in any of the zips?
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17:43:37saratogai noticed the fuze only has rockbox_default_icons
17:45:25JdGordonI find it very odd that only the fuze would be missing it... I'm thinking they all are missing it, and have for quite a while :)
17:46:03saratogad2 and e200v1 are missing it as well, so probably all of them
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17:50:28liarjho: thanks
17:53:48pixelmaI installed an SVN build today on my c200 (v1) and seems that wps wasn't included . The file that is still on there is from Oct 19th whereas other SVN WPSs have today's date on them. Usually I install selfbuilt but complete zips
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17:59:48mc2739JdGordon: could it be a filename problem? wps/rockbox_default.txt.wps
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18:05:57JdGordonmc2739: could be, but that filename hasnt changed in 11000 revisions
18:07:11mc2739yeah, I just noticed that
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18:21:33CIA-77New commit by mc2739 (r24187): Fix so that rockbox_default wps is built
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18:57:15liarwhat could be the reason for wakeup_wait(&endpoints[endpoint].complete, TIMEOUT_BLOCK); to never return? (no interrupts are triggered anymore if that happens)
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19:23:11wrah2trying to translate 'AV decay time' −− can anyone tell me what AV is?
19:23:44wrah2it's been translated previously as average but I don't think that's correct
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19:25:51pixelmait belongs to the "auto volume" settings
19:27:09wrah2ok, so it's nothing to do with AV cables?
19:28:10pixelmait is a function of the hardware decoder chip used in some (all except one) of the supported hwcodec targets
19:28:26pixelmaI never used it though
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19:40:34mmmlinuxhey, i had a quick question about rockbox. that someone in here can probly answer fairly quickly
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19:44:14GodEatermmmlinux: best go ahead and ask it then
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19:45:05mmmlinuxwhat would happen if i plugged an ipod with rockbox installed in to my car streo that normally lets me navigate through the ipod with the head unit
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19:45:15GodEatertry it and see?
19:45:15mmmlinuxim assuming it wouldnt work
19:45:23GodEaterit might, or it might not
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19:45:51mmmlinuxmy understanding is that there is a serial protocol that makes that work. but ive never really looked in to it too much
19:46:04GodEatercorrect - the apple accesory protocol
19:46:08GodEaterwhich we have bits of implemented
19:46:10GodEaterbut not all of
19:46:13mmmlinuxi see
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19:46:42mmmlinuxhmm, guess ill install it on my spair ipod mini and see what it does
19:47:03mmmlinuxif it works well enough my third gen will get it too
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19:48:34mmmlinuxeh, any idea how i tell which gen ipod mini i have? i think its a seccond becuase the text on the wheel is colouredd
19:48:56GodEaterI think it's if it has the capacity written on the back, it's a 2nd
19:48:59Michael-Micvanhey all does anybody know if rockbox will support the nano 5g
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19:49:05GodEaterMichael-Micvan: no it doesn't
19:49:27kugelliar: wakeups are a threading thing, it cannot block interrupts
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19:50:17GodEaterMichael-Micvan: why the PM?
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19:51:15kugelliar: wakeup_wait(&endpoints[endpoint].complete, TIMEOUT_BLOCK) never returning means that wakeup_signal(&endpoints(endpoint).complete) is never called
19:52:17GodEaterthe answer is : No, to my knowledge, no-one is working on the nano 5g
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19:53:24wrah2hmmm... is down? I can ping it but firefox won't connect
19:53:40B4gderyeah, it's offline atm
19:53:48kugelnoo :(
19:54:09B4gdera little ad hoc maintenance
19:54:13Zagorjust the web server
19:54:23kugelF5...F5...F5...F5...F5...F5...F5...F5...F5...F5...F5...F5...F5...F5... :'(
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19:58:59kugelbugger, I wanted to try out a patch on fs
19:59:05kugelmc2739: ping
19:59:16kugelFlynDice: ping
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20:07:03kugelany eta when the site is back?
20:08:15Zagorkugel: no. we're investigating a possible security issue.
20:09:04gevaertsZagor: the one that makes the build system swap builds? ;)
20:09:07JdGordon|full body scanners to the rescue!
20:09:16Zagorgevaerts: no, not that :-)
20:14:40*kugel should've downloaded the patch before coming here to answer liar
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20:16:58liarkugel: that one?
20:17:17kugelno :(
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20:19:11liarkugel: so what do you mean :S?
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20:19:50kugelanother patch, relating to the samsas
20:20:23*liar is confused
20:20:28liaryou said my name^^
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20:22:08bertrikI noticed that list.h uses a char for struct member selection_size in struct simplelist_info
20:22:18kugelliar: I answered your question before downloading the patch I want
20:22:20bertrikchanging it into an int makes the code smaller (at least for arm)
20:22:49liarups i've mistaken answer with ask :S
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20:23:55kugelliar: did my answer at least help you?
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20:24:11Juozapashi why is down ?
20:24:52gevaertsJuozapas: unscheduled maintenance
20:25:07Juozapashow long that will be ?
20:25:18liarkugel: a little bit. it seems the problem is not wakeup_wait. someone is masking all my interrupts :(
20:25:47Juozapasmaybe somewhere is site mirror ?
20:26:38Juozapasi just upgraded my ipod mini to 16GB cf ;) really want to install rockbox soon as passible ;)
20:27:12gevaertsJuozapas: all downloads are on which is still there
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20:28:28Juozapasyeah, but installer dont reach server
20:28:34kugelbertrik: the dbop patch seems to work fine on the e200v2 too now, I'd say commit asap
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20:29:21bertrikkugel, very nice to hear
20:29:51JdGordon|bertrik: that was probably nonesense "size optimization"... feel free to change it to an int
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20:31:03FlynDicekugel: pong just a few mins be quick ;-)
20:31:25kugelFlynDice: pastebinning the very latest dbop patch should be quick
20:31:31kugelif you have it, please :)
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20:48:26kugelbertrik: otherwise the patch seems to work just awesome on my fuze
20:49:22gevaertskugel: that's all due to the careful previous owner!
20:50:32kugelmy heavily used fuze had less scratches on the screen :p
20:50:44kugelbut yea, of course <3
20:51:27gevaertsthe scratches are becaus of an even earlier owner :)
20:57:23liar:S usb_drv_send seems to fail for packages with length==2 on my nano 2g
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21:01:57kugelbertrik: very impressive that you understood the time polarity things there
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21:02:49kugelI wonder whether the OF is doing that. I only saw what have in SVN in the disassembly, but maybe it does the proper precharging in a different function
21:03:23bertrikwe might actually be a bit smarter than the OF now :P
21:03:45bertrikIIRC, the OF did the silly red or blue pixel thing
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21:06:35Serious_FHello, people, how are you doing? Is there anybody whom I can ask specifically about Rockbox installed in a iPod?
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21:06:53JdGordon|mc2739: the wps bug was fixed?
21:06:59kugelbertrik: well, we still send the red pixel, just so that it doesnt touch the lcd
21:07:07JdGordon|Serious_F: just ask your question
21:07:42Serious_FI need to know if Rockbox would work on a iPod Nano 5 generation
21:08:37Serious_FJust the first generation ones?
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21:08:47Serious_FIn which apples does it work in fifth generation players?
21:09:05Tuplishave you read the frontpage?
21:09:42Serious_FI just don't get it, is it the general iPod from 1 to 5 generation? I mean, that g stands for generation, right?
21:10:27Tuplisthat's correct
21:10:47Tuplisit says also nano 1g → only first generation nano
21:10:56Serious_FSo, general apple iPods from 1 to 5 generation, and nano only, the first generation only?
21:10:58mc2739kugel: pong
21:11:25kugelmc2739: I was looking for the latest dbop patch since the site was down, but FlynDice already pasted it for me
21:11:25Serious_FOH, I didn't see that specification either
21:11:27liarSerious_F: rockbox runs on 2gen nanos too, but the port is unstable
21:13:16mc2739JdGordon|: yes, but there are a couple of 0 byte files that get created. I'm still looking into the fix for that.
21:13:33JdGordon|what was the issue?
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21:15:21kugelmc2739: I touched that line last IIRC, I think that $req_t was required for something (maybe so that X.clip.wps is build only for the clip, but I don't know for sure anymore)
21:16:20kugelthe .txt was probably interpreted as a target or screen resolution; did you try renaming that one instead?
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21:19:34mc2739kugel: looking at the clip zip file, it looks like it is getting the proper wps files built
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21:23:05kugelmc2739: let me verify
21:23:33Serious_FThank you for your help, people, bye for now!
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21:27:31kugelmc2739: it seems to be the correct one, but I'm getting .rsbs files now
21:30:25mc2739kugel: that is the part I was still working on. and rockbox_none.rsbs are getting created after the change I made earlier
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21:40:43liarwhile (GRSTCTL & 1); freezes. while (GRSTCTL & 1) yield(); not. why?
21:41:43liarah it still freezes
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21:56:35jebelAnyone know why the libcurl site now points to rockbox site?
21:56:50EpicCyndIs there a rockbox for the v2 Sansa200s?
21:57:07Zagorjebel: it's a mistake. it'll be fixed soon.
21:58:32jebelZagor: Thanks
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22:00:15EpicCyndwait, I'm confused. I have a Sansa 260v2. If I install this model of rockbox, it will work, but only use the original firmware for loading up songs? If so that's awesome
22:00:33mc2739EpicCynd: yes, that is correct
22:00:57EpicCyndso the microSD cards larger than 2GB are supported, I can play games, etc?
22:01:59mc2739EpicCynd: yes, and yes
22:02:35EpicCyndand, making sure I'm reading right, this is the model that I could recover the original firmware to if I wished, right?
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22:03:40mc2739yes, but the procedure is very difficult. It was needed only in the early developement stages.
22:04:50mc2739The original firmware can be reloaded by the sansa upgrade tool, or just by putting the firmware in the root directory
22:06:33EpicCyndokay, you guys rock! I'm gonna try installing it right now, is there anything I can do to help out?
22:08:53mc2739Not unless you can program. The USB driver still needs to built built and it also needs optimisations to increase battery life.
22:09:18EpicCyndOh, is the battery life bad on it right now?
22:10:37mc2739not bad, but less than the OF
22:10:58EpicCyndhow much less? Can I still get at least 5 hours of play on it?
22:11:21mc2739I think the e200v2 battery life is about 12 hours
22:12:36EpicCyndwell that's fine then. I can't program so no help there, but I might be able to help you with webspace if you guys ever need it
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22:15:22CIA-77New commit by bertrik (r24188): Use plain int (instead of char) for field selection_size in struct simplelist_info
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22:19:44EpicCyndand the USB mode needs to be in MSC, correct?
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22:37:40EpicCyndSweet! I love rockbox already :D
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22:42:03EpicCyndThe only thing is my album art isn't showing, anything special I need to do with that to get it to work?
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22:46:18GodEaterEpicCynd: Rockbox doesn't do Embedded album art
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22:51:26kugelhm, I have rewritten the clipping in lcd_update_rect() on the fuze; I believe it is correct but it's a bit slower than SVN
22:52:45EpicCyndI also noticed there's support, how do I get it to scrobble to ?
22:53:21 Quit CIA-77 ()
22:53:26Torneupload .scrobbler.log to with one of the numerous apps or webclients that support it
22:53:29Tornethere are links on the wiki somewhere
22:55:32EpicCyndokay thanks, sorry for all my noobish questions :S
22:58:06kugelgrml, I can't say whether the old one is wrong and faster due to that, or if both are right or mine is just slower
22:58:50kugelI didn't add an if (), so mine shouldn't be slower in theory
22:58:54Tornedid anyone see my post earlier about adding exit-time cleanup support to pluginlib_exit?
22:59:08Tornefrotz leaks filehandles if exit() is called, so i thought i should add a mechanism
22:59:19Torneit's no code at all if you aren'tusing it, but i'm not sure about the look of it
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23:07:29nimaIs there any reason to load the database to RAM on a flash device?
23:09:51JdGordon|not really... maybe slightly faster
23:12:17*EpicCynd thinks the sound quality is better than it was with Sandisk's firmware :)
23:12:25nimaThanks, JdGordon|
23:17:34CIA-9New commit by torne (r24189): pluginlib: Support calling a function at exit time to clean up open files ...
23:18:03gevaertsTorne: have you seen my related-but-different patch at FS#<mumble>?
23:18:11Tornei've seen it, yah
23:18:17Torneit looks ok
23:18:32Tornerather than depend on that, i have done this so taht frotz can clean up its handles properly despite using exit()
23:18:34*GodEater giggles at FS#<mumble>
23:19:23Torneit was only leaking if it encountered an os_fatal() but since that only means the plugin did something wrong it shoulnd't mess up the rest of the system :)
23:19:41Tornethis is just a poor man's atexit()
23:20:10Torneyou still have to write the code to close the handles
23:20:41EpicCyndyou guys are probably going to get a small donation from me... I loves my new rockbox :D
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23:21:38Tornefrotz is basically done, now, then
23:21:54Torneoh, no, i was going to make it an overlay for low mem targets
23:22:02Tornei don't have a low mem target to test it on, though :)
23:22:15gevaertsI'm still not sure if this close-all-filehandles patch should be a plugin API feature (i.e. plugins can assume that it's there and not bother closing everything), or rather a debug feature, which possibly splashes and panics
23:22:23Torneyeah, i'm not sure
23:22:30Tornewhen i suggested it i meant the former
23:22:36Tornebut i don't know that that *is* such a good idea after all
23:22:51Tornedid you decide if there was anything in core that would open files on behalf of a plugin?
23:23:04kugelthat is strange
23:23:34kugel"width = xmax - x + 1;" −−> "width = xmax - x;" costs 13fps
23:23:49gevaertsI don't think there is, but I haven't really checked
23:24:48kugelhow's that possible
23:25:21Tornegevaerts: i think a debug feature is probably more sensible
23:25:53Torneoriginally i was annoyed because i realised that exit() bypasses all the logic that would normally clean up by longjmping straight to the end of plugin_start
23:26:06kugel(the following memory transfers are proportional to width, so making it 1 smaller should *increase* fps)
23:26:10Tornebut the patch i just committed is probably a much better way to deal with that than closing the filehandles automatically
23:26:16DerPapstkugel: fun. no idea. you should check the asm i guess
23:26:33Tornemake exit() less dumb rather than making the plugin launcher smarter ;)
23:27:17gevaertsso I guess it should panic, but only get enabled for debug builds
23:27:34Tornesounds reasonable
23:28:31Tornedo i need a manual entry for frotz for it to be committed, btw?
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23:28:42Tornewell i say be committed
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23:31:09*kugel cannot explain it
23:31:17kugelo well, maybe I can
23:31:49kugelthe following transfer is more complex if width is odd
23:33:04JdGordon|Torne: well... plugins shuold get manual entries, but I dont tihnk anyone will yell if it comes later
23:33:35TorneJdGordon|: hm. i guess it's more secret code for "i hate TeX, might someone else write a manual entry if i chicken out" :)
23:33:44*Torne has a look at the source for the manual
23:35:00Torneis there a way to refer to pluginlib actions in the manual?
23:37:30b1uebrotherTorne: theoretically yes (check manual/platform/keymap-*) but I don't think actions have been added for plugins yet.
23:37:45b1uebrothermaybe that's a good reason to start it? ;-)
23:37:56Tornebased on looking at the existing ones i'd guess no
23:38:17Tornesince the button table for dice.rock is rather large despite being just PLA_QUIT and PLA_START :)
23:39:08CIA-9New commit by bluebrother (r24190): Set the layout direction of the dir tree when setting up the widget. ...
23:39:23Torneyeah it doesn't ahve the plugin contexts, i guess because they are crazy and all clash
23:39:33Torneit's a shame though because frotz only uses generic_context so is nice and sane )
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23:46:53pixelmaway too many pluginlib action contexts to be useful in the manual currently
23:48:42kugelafter spotting what's wrong and fixing everything is *way* faster now
23:49:41Tornepixelma: yah, probably.
23:51:48kugelI'm on fixing that, don't worry :p
23:56:50JdGordon|how bad would it be to hide flags in the top 8 bits of the colour variables in the viewport structs?
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23:57:46kugelJdGordon|: the viewport struct has a flag field, use that
23:58:13JdGordon|I know

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