| 00:00:01 | kugel | take care* |
| 00:00:53 | JdGordon| | I'm not sure I like the way its done.... for now its OK though |
| 00:01:35 | JdGordon| | I want it in such a way that the flag can be set for "follow lang direction" and a seperate flag for "force rtl" or "was swapped" or something |
| 00:03:07 | kugel | should be doable |
| 00:03:22 | kugel | that doesn't relate to the color flag really though |
| 00:03:38 | JdGordon| | bassically I want to know after the lang changed that viewport X was set to follow the lang, and that the last lang was RTL (or LTR) so we can get the origional x position again |
| 00:03:43 | JdGordon| | not at all |
| 00:03:48 | JdGordon| | you brought it up though :) |
| 00:04:22 | kugel | I brought up that the vp struct has a flag field so that there's no need for hacking the flag into the color values |
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| 00:06:07 | kugel | the ui vp will only work in a few cases if you modify the x position depending on rtl |
| 00:06:32 | JdGordon| | you are dragging the topic in a direction I had no intention of going :) |
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| 00:08:06 | kugel | this one will probably look very funny in a rtl language |
| 00:08:07 | kugel | http://themes.rockbox.org/index.php?themeid=427&target=fuze |
| 00:08:33 | JdGordon| | why? |
| 00:08:48 | JdGordon| | the whole left column moves to the right side |
| 00:09:11 | JdGordon| | whats fun is having the progressbar move backwards but the left and right buttons arnt swapped |
| 00:09:38 | kugel | except if parts of the left column are part of the backdrop |
| 00:10:07 | JdGordon| | 1) they arnt, 2) mirror the backdrop |
| 00:11:11 | kugel | 2) dynamically? |
| 00:12:01 | * | kugel thinks demanding people to mirror the backdrop on a pc isn't really a solution |
| 00:12:24 | kugel | that defeats the purpose of "rtl aware themes" too |
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| 00:15:22 | pixelma | mirroring the backdrop also won't always look right if it has some visual "depth" in it (like this one has) |
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| 00:17:48 | JdGordon| | kugel: sorry... dont take this the wrong way, but I give up... you are entirely missing the point of the whole excersize |
| 00:18:40 | kugel | I'm not. I'm saying blindly modifying the location of viewports is the wrong approach |
| 00:19:27 | kugel | especially in case of the ui vp where there would be no way of avoiding this |
| 00:19:30 | JdGordon| | its an approach which will work 90+% of the time with very little effort |
| 00:20:20 | * | Torne installs tex so he can see if his manual entry is totally broken :) |
| 00:21:34 | kugel | JdGordon|: 90% is a bogus number, and anyway I'm sure we can do better than that |
| 00:22:03 | JdGordon| | yes, fix the lcd driver to draw (o,o) to be the top right pixel instead of top left |
| 00:22:07 | JdGordon| | (0,0) |
| 00:23:20 | flyback | anyone here hardware hacked on the iriver h10 5gb/6gb series, leave me a message |
| 00:23:30 | JdGordon| | also, remember the whole thing is a benefit:cost thing... there is only a very small proportion of the user base that will ever use any of this |
| 00:24:43 | Torne | TeX is crazy |
| 00:26:46 | Torne | looks like it worked ok though, manual seems readable ;) |
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| 00:46:03 | Torne | bugger. frotz is just over 64kb so doesn't fit on m200 or logikdax or ifp7xx either :( |
| 00:46:16 | Torne | it needs to be an overlay for them too, not just the archoses |
| 00:47:11 | Torne | that's surprisingly big for something that runs text adventures :) |
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| 00:54:23 | gevaerts | Torne: maybe compiler options help there? |
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| 00:55:49 | gevaerts | anyway, ifp7xx probably doesn't compile these days, and logikdax doesn't have a normal rockbox build yet |
| 00:56:11 | gevaerts | some of the m200 variants might be closer though |
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| 00:59:08 | UDontKnowMe | how do I view photos? Do I need a special plugin or a certain filetype? |
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| 01:00:36 | JdGordon| | jpg |
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| 01:01:15 | UDontKnowMe | okay I'm pretty sure they're jpg... wait I sync'd these a long time ago with the Sansa Media Converter, could that be a problem? |
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| 01:02:19 | JdGordon| | oh, they cant be progressive scan |
| 01:02:24 | JdGordon| | so maybe thats the issue |
| 01:02:32 | gevaerts | are you sure they're still jpg then? I wouldn't be surprised if that tool transforms them to some proprietary format |
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| 01:02:51 | UDontKnowMe | Well rockbox shows them as compatible, because that's all I have set to show |
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| 01:03:00 | UDontKnowMe | that's why I'm confused :S |
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| 01:10:32 | Torne | is there any chance that someone would help me make frotz into an overlay plugin for the lowmem targets? I really don't get the makefile rules, have no such target to test on, and don't have the toolchain built for archos :) |
| 01:11:01 | Torne | latest code is on FS #10370 |
| 01:21:02 | JdGordon| | #ifdef it for lowmem then :) |
| 01:21:51 | Torne | Well I could |
| 01:22:00 | Torne | but it'd be nicer to commit it for every target :) |
| 01:22:06 | Torne | well, except charcell |
| 01:22:25 | gevaerts | Why not charcell? :) |
| 01:22:51 | Torne | it wouldn't be a big change to make it work on charcell tbh i expect :) |
| 01:22:53 | JdGordon| | DEATH TO CHARCELL! |
| 01:22:56 | Torne | but it would probaly be pointless |
| 01:23:08 | Torne | as the charcell screens aren't enough cells to play *anything* on the zmachine |
| 01:23:24 | Torne | the ipod video screen with sysfont is technically smaller than the recommended minimum in the zmachine spce ;) |
| 01:23:38 | gevaerts | that's why you do scrolling :) |
| 01:23:41 | Torne | haha |
| 01:23:51 | Torne | the spec expects to get 60 fixed width chars across the screen |
| 01:23:57 | gevaerts | of course you'll need more than one PLA context then |
| 01:24:00 | Torne | it's not a hard requirement, but hey |
| 01:24:11 | Torne | games are often not tested at less than 80 :) |
| 01:24:47 | Torne | scrolling wouldn't be hard, the output driver i wrote is basically a virtual tty anyway |
| 01:24:54 | Torne | but again, probably pointless :) |
| 01:25:05 | Torne | any game that would need it to be playable probably wouldn't be any mmore playable with it ;) |
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| 01:26:55 | gevaerts | are they now? ;) |
| 01:27:18 | Torne | debateable |
| 01:27:35 | Torne | targets with a four way joystick are probably significantly less bad than the ipod |
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| 02:00:08 | Jhonny5 | hi |
| 02:00:52 | saratoga | Torne: can't you just put code in data files on the disk, and have the plugin just be an fopen, a cache flush and a jump? |
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| 02:13:42 | JdGordon1 | is the h300 sim usable without a numpad? |
| 02:13:49 | JdGordon1 | actually... whats the a-b button? |
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| 03:36:12 | Jhonny5 | Hey, im trying install Rockbox, but Rockbox said me that my iPod it's 6th generation, when i think it's 5th generation. It's absolutly true that Rockbox said? |
| 03:36:37 | JdGordon | why do you tihnk its a 6th gen? |
| 03:36:41 | JdGordon | 5th gen i mean |
| 03:36:53 | Jhonny5 | Because i see the pics on google |
| 03:36:59 | Jhonny5 | it's a iPod Video 80G |
| 03:37:25 | Jhonny5 | [INFO] Scanning disk devices... |
| 03:37:25 | Jhonny5 | [ERR] Partition layout is not an ipod |
| 03:39:49 | JdGordon | is it windows formatted or apple? |
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| 03:40:51 | Jhonny5 | JdGordon, Windows (fat32) |
| 03:41:13 | JdGordon | umm, I dunno |
| 03:41:46 | Jhonny5 | Im sure that's it's 5 now |
| 03:42:01 | krazykit | um, does it work in the OF and itunes on a windows machine? |
| 03:43:40 | Jhonny5 | in a linux machine |
| 03:43:51 | Jhonny5 | OF? |
| 03:49:00 | Jhonny5 | i gonna try on windows |
| 03:50:09 | Jhonny5 | other question: the bootloader supports dual load (MacOS and Rockbox)? |
| 03:51:03 | JdGordon | yes |
| 03:51:11 | Jhonny5 | gut |
| 03:56:12 | Jhonny5 | win said the same :S |
| 03:58:03 | krazykit | but the device is otherwise functional? even with itunes? |
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| 04:02:03 | Jhonny5 | yes, sure |
| 04:06:00 | krazykit | assuming your music is backed up (it should be!) you could make itunes do a "restore" on the device. that should leave it in a rockboxable state |
| 04:06:54 | Jhonny5 | no, but i didnt still install the Rockbox cause in the first step breaks |
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| 04:09:22 | Jhonny5 | btw, i have a buck up, but it's just the copy of all files from that i can see in linux. Should be enougth? |
| 04:09:34 | Jhonny5 | *back |
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| 04:20:09 | krazykit | i'm not sure, as i'm not really familiar enough with ipods |
| 04:20:49 | * | flyback heads out for a bit, bbl |
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| 04:21:09 | Jhonny5 | Ok, thanks a lot |
| 04:21:16 | Jhonny5 | I gonna sleep |
| 04:21:19 | Jhonny5 | see you |
| 04:21:20 | Jhonny5 | byezz |
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| 04:23:13 | j8048188 | I just re-installed rockbox on my e280v2 (after the 4-bit data corruption) and i see that some files are green and folders yellow. Are these supported files? |
| 04:30:18 | j8048188 | Also, what is the highest WMA bitrate that Rockbox supports? |
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| 04:50:49 | * | flyback bites j8048188 |
| 04:50:55 | flyback | damn swedish terrorists |
| 04:51:07 | flyback | we will never forgive you for your country's crimes against humanity! |
| 04:51:11 | flyback | "ace of base" and "abba" |
| 04:51:14 | * | flyback ducks |
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| 04:53:22 | flyback | joke man, joke |
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| 05:13:37 | flyback | hmm |
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| 05:19:12 | saratoga | j8048188: it should decode any WMA std file |
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| 05:19:41 | saratoga | the bit rate doesn't really make a difference to the decoder, its mostly something that matter when encoding only |
| 05:29:08 | j8048188 | ok. It's a 952 kb/s file. Rockbox refuses to play it, though. It's not protected. How do i tell if it's wma standard or lossless? |
| 05:29:43 | j8048188 | NVM it's the lossless variation |
| 05:29:49 | j8048188 | ill just have to reencode |
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| 06:02:14 | flyback | hey |
| 06:02:27 | flyback | by chance would the portaplayer 5120? soc have a master mode usb? |
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| 07:29:59 | * | Strife89 has a suggestion for the "Tooltips" notion but will save it for in the EST morning. |
| 07:30:02 | Strife89 | http://forums.rockbox.org/index.php?topic=23420.msg159587#msg159587 |
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| 07:32:57 | JdGordon | its not gonna happen... EVER! |
| 07:33:35 | Strife89 | I never said I wanted it to, but I still have a suggestion. |
| 07:33:36 | Llorean | It's pretty unlikely unless you have a plan for grafting an extra button on every player out there, unless it's just to add a "Help" entry to the context menu. |
| 07:33:51 | Strife89 | $20 says it will get s−−- ..... |
| 07:34:18 | Strife89 | Well, here's my thoughts. |
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| 07:34:40 | Strife89 | To start with, you know how voice files are kept spereately. |
| 07:35:05 | Strife89 | They are, therefore, optional, and a user who doesn't need them will save a little space. |
| 07:35:39 | Strife89 | In the same vein, why not produce a "help" file in plain text? |
| 07:35:53 | Strife89 | Sorted in such a way that ... well, let me finish. |
| 07:36:09 | Llorean | It's the UI for presenting the help that's the real problem |
| 07:36:36 | Strife89 | In Rockbox itself, let's have the user simply hover the selector over the option for, say, five seconds. |
| 07:36:52 | Strife89 | If they do so, a small help box could pop up. |
| 07:37:08 | Strife89 | It will scroll at the same rate that text in the rest of the UI scrolls. |
| 07:37:09 | Llorean | Unless of course they have the scroll speed set low because it's a slow LCD. |
| 07:37:21 | Llorean | In which case after five seconds they may not have finished reading what they were trying to read. |
| 07:37:41 | Strife89 | If the user presses any buttons, the box vanishes, the UI should act as if the box was never there. |
| 07:37:52 | Llorean | Pressing buttons also resets the scrolling. |
| 07:38:26 | Strife89 | Pardon? |
| 07:38:38 | Llorean | Long lines in lists scroll if you hover over them long enough |
| 07:38:51 | Strife89 | Ah. |
| 07:38:54 | Llorean | On some screens (for example, H100) it's advisable to have the scroll speed quite low because it otherwise blurs. |
| 07:39:00 | Strife89 | Make the pop-up time adjustable. |
| 07:39:28 | Strife89 | And, if possible, keep the box at about 2-3 lines tall. |
| 07:39:44 | Llorean | There's not much you can tell in 2 or even 3 lines on some LCDs. |
| 07:40:12 | Strife89 | Make the box appear on the OPPOSITE end of the screen, in relation to the selection bar's position. |
| 07:40:41 | Strife89 | Llorean: Yes, but it's not really meant to be a full-blown Help system. |
| 07:40:49 | S_a_i_n_t | you're making it sound easy to do... |
| 07:40:56 | JdGordon | dont waste your time... its not ever going to happen |
| 07:41:02 | Strife89 | S_a_i_n_t: I never said I thought it was easy, |
| 07:41:17 | Strife89 | nor did I say I thought there was a chance it would happen. |
| 07:41:31 | Llorean | Strife89: If it's not in-depth it really won't solve the problem. The problem is usually for things complex enough where if the name isn't enough, a slightly longer description probably won't either. |
| 07:42:16 | Strife89 | You've got me there. |
| 07:43:04 | S_a_i_n_t | I'd hate it if a help box ate up half the screen on my nanos. |
| 07:43:24 | Strife89 | S_a_i_n_t: I had said to keep it to three lines. :/ |
| 07:43:25 | Llorean | I don't see it as impossible that, for example, there could be a "help" plugin of some sort, which could also be accessed from context menus to immediately jump to the descriptions of items in it. |
| 07:43:28 | S_a_i_n_t | small screen players couldn;t do it well. |
| 07:44:09 | S_a_i_n_t | 3 lines in 12pt font is 36 lines, plus a border, that's at least a third of the screen |
| 07:44:52 | Strife89 | S_a_i_n_t: But the box would only appear if you sit on a spot for x amount of time. |
| 07:44:59 | S_a_i_n_t | Llorean: I like that way of looking at it. |
| 07:45:05 | Strife89 | It would vanish if you pressed any buttons. |
| 07:45:32 | Strife89 | Llorean: I like that idea. Definitely simpler to implement than mine. |
| 07:45:53 | * | Strife89 is Captian Obvious again....... |
| 07:46:08 | S_a_i_n_t | that way (maybe) you could organise help entries according to preference |
| 07:46:10 | S_a_i_n_t | or use |
| 07:46:58 | Strife89 | S_a_i_n_t: It would be simpler to call a specific line, though, rather than look for a specific string. |
| 07:47:42 | Strife89 | Smaller binsize and less RAM. |
| 07:47:52 | Strife89 | s/RAM/RAM used. |
| 07:48:03 | * | S_a_i_n_t points ot were still talking *theory* at the moment... |
| 07:48:25 | Strife89 | That's part of the thoery, though. |
| 07:48:42 | Strife89 | I've seen it stressed enough around here.... |
| 07:49:00 | Strife89 | Don't waste RAM and don't bloat the binary. |
| 07:49:14 | Strife89 | That's the impression I tend to get, at least. |
| 07:49:30 | S_a_i_n_t | I just meant it would be good of the user could organise the listing of the help files, so that if one in particular was used often, it could be put nearer the to, instead of scrolling through a long list. |
| 07:49:42 | S_a_i_n_t | *top |
| 07:49:53 | Llorean | I'm not sure I see why a single help entry would be used often. |
| 07:50:14 | S_a_i_n_t | goood point. |
| 07:50:36 | Strife89 | S_a_i_n_t: The idea Llorean proposed says that the user opens the file through the context menu for that option, and THAT jumps the help file to the right spot. |
| 07:50:48 | Strife89 | Ergo, no scrolling to find the help you need. |
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| 08:08:26 | Strife89 | Meh, here's an idea. |
| 08:08:47 | Strife89 | Have a variable in the .cfg file. Values are either 0 or 1. |
| 08:08:58 | Strife89 | A fresh install has it at 0. |
| 08:09:13 | Strife89 | If 0, then when Rockbox is started, display a splash: |
| 08:09:25 | Strife89 | "Have you read the manual?" and a URL. |
| 08:09:35 | Strife89 | Then set the variable to 1. |
| 08:09:42 | Strife89 | Done. :P |
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| 08:57:56 | Unhelpful | Strife89: no, the user has to set it to 1 via a secret procedure documented in the manual. |
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| 09:08:16 | S_a_i_n_t | wouldn't it be better to get rbutil to do that, instead of the DAP? |
| 09:11:30 | S_a_i_n_t | ? |
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| 10:36:19 | sirmike1970md | does anybody know if rb will support the ipod nano 5g in the near future |
| 10:36:54 | topik | unlikely |
| 10:37:40 | S_a_i_n_t | depends if you're gauging near future on your existence, or the earths. |
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| 10:38:22 | sirmike1970md | gotcha |
| 10:38:24 | topik | afaik there is no known exploit to even put something custom on the nano 5g |
| 10:38:56 | S_a_i_n_t | ipodlinux guys thought they had an exploit for a while, but didn't. |
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| 13:17:19 | liar | S_a_i_n_t: do you have any chance to connect your nano2g to a linux machine? i would like to see some dmesg output |
| 13:18:23 | S_a_i_n_t | not without a bit of pissing around, it's 1am |
| 13:21:08 | liar | no its 1pm :P. i dont need it now, but it would be very interessting.. |
| 13:25:50 | S_a_i_n_t | liar: I saw your Nano 2g USB is broken, and sucks, bug report. |
| 13:27:51 | S_a_i_n_t | do you think you've actually narrowed the bug down? or just found an odd hack that stops it (for now)? |
| 13:28:26 | liar | i've found 2 bugs |
| 13:29:07 | S_a_i_n_t | :D |
| 13:29:16 | liar | but no good solution to both of them |
| 13:29:32 | S_a_i_n_t | let's hope they're in the "easily fixed" category |
| 13:30:32 | liar | the first one should be easily fixed, the second one is just strange |
| 13:30:52 | S_a_i_n_t | your 'solution' to it is rather |
| 13:31:02 | S_a_i_n_t | ...but if it works |
| 13:31:43 | liar | there may be even a 3 and a 4th bug :D |
| 13:32:05 | S_a_i_n_t | maybe safer to keep counting ;D |
| 13:32:53 | liar | the 4th has to do with poweron/off |
| 13:32:59 | liar | i think |
| 13:33:10 | S_a_i_n_t | what of it? |
| 13:33:27 | * | S_a_i_n_t hasn;t experienced anything in power on/off |
| 13:33:37 | S_a_i_n_t | ...yet. |
| 13:34:16 | liar | because if i reconnect my nano2g to the computer usb fails even if it worked before(the ipod is not registered by the os, not even in dmesg) |
| 13:34:22 | liar | usb-poweron/off i meant |
| 13:36:52 | S_a_i_n_t | I built my 2g from bits of 3 others too :P |
| 13:37:07 | * | S_a_i_n_t wonders why HIS Nano 2g doesn't hate HIM as much as everyone elses does... |
| 13:38:35 | liar | you said usb hid turned on doesnt work for you too |
| 13:39:03 | S_a_i_n_t | no, it doesn'y |
| 13:39:09 | S_a_i_n_t | *t |
| 13:40:18 | liar | and thats what i am trying to fix |
| 13:40:47 | S_a_i_n_t | well, I'm not entirely sure what it does, but ok |
| 13:40:56 | S_a_i_n_t | if you do, great :D |
| 13:42:51 | S_a_i_n_t | I *once* had HID ON and plugged it in and it was detected as "Rockbox (Something-or-other), but did that beep_reboot to dfu thing almost immediately afterward |
| 13:43:21 | S_a_i_n_t | before, and since, HID ON never worked |
| 13:44:12 | gevaerts | S_a_i_n_t: didn't you (or someone else?) notice that sometimes two-byte packets don't work? That sort of thing might easily cause HID to make trouble |
| 13:46:54 | S_a_i_n_t | must've been someone else |
| 13:46:57 | liar | gevaerts: i noticed that |
| 13:47:22 | liar | but i am not sure if it really has to do with the package length |
| 13:48:06 | S_a_i_n_t | USB HID 'ON" is what's supposed to let the host detect it as a rockbox device right? |
| 13:48:12 | S_a_i_n_t | in lamens terms... |
| 13:48:25 | gevaerts | S_a_i_n_t: HID on turns HID on... |
| 13:49:38 | gevaerts | I have no idea what you mean by "a rockbox device" there |
| 13:49:51 | S_a_i_n_t | but is that why when it was on that one time it was detected as 'Rockbox (something-or-other) |
| 13:50:11 | S_a_i_n_t | ummmm, when it's plugged in initially |
| 13:50:27 | S_a_i_n_t | WIN displays a baloon of the device plugged in |
| 13:50:42 | S_a_i_n_t | with usb hid on that olne time, it was different |
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| 14:26:34 | soap | Saint, think of HID as an additional service that your rockbox device can offer the computer, along with mass storage. It toggles the offering of the service, not the identification of the device. |
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| 14:44:22 | amiconn | Torne: Making an overlay is failry simple; it's mostly copy&paste |
| 14:44:42 | Torne | hm |
| 14:45:01 | Torne | i was copying from rockboy but it didn't really work |
| 14:45:17 | Torne | also is there not a better way to specify which platforms get the overlay built than their string names? |
| 14:46:21 | Torne | frotz needs to be an overlay on more platforms than the others, because it is even bigger and explodes the 64kb plugin buffer targets as well as the 32kb ones (archos) |
| 14:46:36 | amiconn | So far there isn't, afaik |
| 14:46:38 | Torne | iriverifp7xx, logikdax and sansam200 are also too small |
| 14:46:44 | Torne | not just archos |
| 14:47:02 | amiconn | You need to add the respective loader plugin as well, of course |
| 14:47:07 | Torne | yeah |
| 14:48:19 | Torne | i guess technically those three aren't supported |
| 14:48:27 | Torne | so maybe it doesn't matter if frotz builds on them? |
| 14:49:01 | Torne | i tried building them to test but rockbox itself failed to compile for all three :) |
| 14:49:08 | * | amiconn wonders what didn't work |
| 14:49:14 | gevaerts | Torne: which m200? |
| 14:49:18 | Torne | old m200 |
| 14:49:22 | Torne | m200v4 has a large plugin buffer |
| 14:49:33 | Torne | amiconn: er, various compile errors |
| 14:49:38 | amiconn | It might be that ovl_offset.pl needs work for other architectures, but it should be fairly generic |
| 14:49:50 | Torne | i probably just got he make stuff wrong.. |
| 14:50:10 | Torne | i guess that only leaves archos and they are all non-arm so i need another toolchain? |
| 14:52:31 | gevaerts | Torne: I wouldn't be surprised if those three would go to 32K eventually anyway, they have 1MB RAM |
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| 14:52:54 | Torne | right. i guess it's easier to just do it for archos as the others are, then. |
| 14:53:29 | Torne | and leave it to the porters if/when they eventually get as far as building plugins |
| 14:53:40 | * | Torne builds an sh toolchain then |
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| 15:24:29 | liar | could usb_drv_send(EP_CONTROL,NULL,0); cause problems? TheSeven did DOEPDMA(ep) = (uint32_t)ptr; in ep_recv without checking if ptr == NULL so...? |
| 15:32:02 | kugel | liar: poke gevaerts with these sort of questions :) |
| 15:32:25 | liar | gevaerts: poke :) |
| 15:33:01 | gevaerts | kugel: why? That's a driver question |
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| 15:33:06 | * | gevaerts has no idea |
| 15:33:30 | kugel | gevaerts: that's already a hint :) |
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| 15:33:56 | gevaerts | I can only tell you that the driver is supposed to handle that, not if it does :) |
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| 15:37:09 | liar | if i pass an empty array to DOEPDMA(ep) if ptr==NULL rockbox does not freeze but usb still does not work |
| 15:40:09 | liar | gevaerts: before i meant usb_drv_recv. but i suppose the driver should handle that too |
| 15:40:15 | liar | ? |
| 15:40:49 | gevaerts | liar: same thing. Those are mainly used to ack control transactions |
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| 15:44:53 | liar | :/ |
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| 15:48:43 | CIA-9 | New commit by mc2739 (r24191): FS #10856 - Skip to previous track inconsistent when using cuesheet |
| 15:51:51 | liar | gevaerts: wait... the driver should handle this, or the chip? |
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| 15:54:36 | gevaerts | liar: The usb subsystem needs to be able to send or receive 0-byte packets, which is done using usb_drv_*(EP_*,NULL,0). Whether or not that needs special driver work is going to depend on driver implemtation and chip |
| 15:55:08 | liar | i see |
| 15:55:09 | liar | thanks |
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| 16:00:21 | liar | what do i do if the chip is unable to handle this? |
| 16:00:41 | gevaerts | it's not. If you can't handle this, you can't do usb |
| 16:03:46 | liar | but the whole player locks up after usb_drv_recv(EP_*,NULL,0); |
| 16:04:38 | gevaerts | then the driver possibly has to do something different in that case |
| 16:08:27 | liar | thats what i meant. i need to know what the driver has to do in this case. and i need a more helpful datasheet :) |
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| 16:11:27 | * | flyback cable is back up to speed before things got upgraded to a all in one deal, yay! |
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| 16:29:16 | chaosdiablo | hi |
| 16:29:29 | chaosdiablo | anyone alive? |
| 16:30:45 | chaosdiablo | i know, it's morning in the USA but i'm from germany and in german it's afternoon |
| 16:30:58 | chaosdiablo | *germany |
| 16:32:04 | gevaerts | chaosdiablo: most people here don't answer questions unless they're actually asked :) |
| 16:32:13 | chaosdiablo | yes i know |
| 16:32:36 | chaosdiablo | are there any divx plugins for rockbox? |
| 16:32:41 | gevaerts | no |
| 16:32:59 | chaosdiablo | which codecs can be installed in rockbox? |
| 16:33:33 | chaosdiablo | i mean decoders |
| 16:35:16 | gevaerts | there's nothing extra to be installed. For video, rockbox does mpeg 1 and 2 |
| 16:35:33 | chaosdiablo | which video resolutions are supported? |
| 16:35:44 | gevaerts | no scaling |
| 16:35:46 | S_a_i_n_t | wiki maybe? |
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| 16:36:00 | gevaerts | ah, good idea :) |
| 16:36:07 | gevaerts | chaosdiablo: http://www.rockbox.org/wiki/PluginMpegplayer should answer most questions |
| 16:36:14 | chaosdiablo | what does "no scaling" mean? |
| 16:36:33 | chaosdiablo | I'm not that good in engish |
| 16:36:33 | S_a_i_n_t | if not all of the 'default' or 'how do I...' ones... |
| 16:36:44 | S_a_i_n_t | neither are we |
| 16:37:15 | gevaerts | the video is played at its original resolution. If that's bigger than the screen, you'll only see a bit (and it will probably be slow anyway) |
| 16:37:41 | chaosdiablo | okay |
| 16:37:48 | S_a_i_n_t | in other words, esize the vid to fit your players screen :) |
| 16:37:55 | S_a_i_n_t | *resize |
| 16:40:03 | chaosdiablo | my player does only support 224x176, thats too little for subtitles |
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| 16:41:47 | chaosdiablo | and rockbox doesn't scale the videos...i should buy a new player xD |
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| 16:42:45 | tomers | JdGordon: ping |
| 16:44:55 | chaosdiablo | rockbox supports mpeg, my player supports mpeg4part1. whats better? |
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| 16:49:17 | Torne | mpeg4 is much better than mpeg1/2 |
| 16:49:29 | Torne | in terms of quality for a given size |
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| 16:54:08 | Strife89 | Unhelpful: (re:"no, the user has to set it to 1 via a secret procedure documented in the manual.") I guess that would be a better enforcer. :P |
| 16:55:19 | S_a_i_n_t | I loved that....secret procedure...pfffft. |
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| 16:55:57 | Strife89 | It'd probably just get more complaints from the stupid users, though (who probably shouldn't be using Rockbox anyway, but hey). |
| 16:56:21 | S_a_i_n_t | I tend to think anyone can use RB. |
| 16:56:45 | S_a_i_n_t | it's just expectations they bring with them fromtheir OFW that gets them into trouble |
| 16:56:52 | Strife89 | S_a_i_n_t: That's what I think, too, but..... |
| 16:57:08 | Strife89 | Well, there's a saying that I have found to be true. |
| 16:57:24 | Strife89 | "Make it idiot-proof, and somone will make a better idiot." |
| 16:59:46 | S_a_i_n_t | my OFW did it like this, why doesn;t RB? |
| 16:59:49 | S_a_i_n_t | pffft. |
| 16:59:59 | S_a_i_n_t | 'cos it's not your OFW?!? |
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| 17:00:11 | Strife89 | Indeed. |
| 17:00:47 | Strife89 | When one hopes for something better, they are (wheter they know it or not) inevitably wishing for something different. |
| 17:01:05 | Strife89 | After all, how can it be better if it's the same thing? |
| 17:01:21 | S_a_i_n_t | I have noticed tho, even with the 'problems' that they have, that people still tend to stick with rb over the ofw in the end cos it gives them a taste of all the things they want their ofw to do |
| 17:02:18 | S_a_i_n_t | OR, they hate it and uninstall it immediately |
| 17:02:40 | Strife89 | Never even giving it a chance in the latter case. |
| 17:03:00 | Strife89 | I had an uncle woh I convinced to try Rockbox on his Sansa c250. |
| 17:03:23 | Strife89 | At the time, the radio wasn't in the best shape. |
| 17:03:24 | S_a_i_n_t | they load it up, see the default theme and are like 'yuck, nope'...and uninstall |
| 17:03:40 | S_a_i_n_t | took me a while to get over how ugly it is from default |
| 17:03:49 | Strife89 | It didn't bother me, but my uncle (unknown to me) ONLY used the radio on his c250. |
| 17:04:22 | S_a_i_n_t | that's a bit odd, an expensive portable radio.... |
| 17:04:35 | Strife89 | I practically begged him to give it a chance, but three weeks later, he had me uninstall Rockbox. |
| 17:04:59 | Strife89 | Just 'cause the radio was unpolished. |
| 17:05:19 | Strife89 | He claimed that it was "easier" in the OF. |
| 17:05:42 | S_a_i_n_t | some people think, if it doesn;t work flawlessly, it doesn;t work |
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| 17:06:05 | S_a_i_n_t | did he manage to define 'easier'? |
| 17:06:09 | S_a_i_n_t | or no? |
| 17:06:20 | Strife89 | Not that I remember. |
| 17:06:48 | S_a_i_n_t | OH! it didn;t read his mind, or wipe his ass for him too....got it :P |
| 17:06:53 | Strife89 | :P |
| 17:07:00 | chaosdiablo | bye bye |
| 17:07:04 | | Part chaosdiablo |
| 17:07:20 | Strife89 | Something about how he found the menus and button layouts confusing. |
| 17:07:32 | Strife89 | Mind you, he never DIDread the manual. >.< |
| 17:07:34 | S_a_i_n_t | wouldn;t be a first |
| 17:08:03 | S_a_i_n_t | 'confusing menus', again, just comes from expecting things to be the same as the OFW |
| 17:08:08 | Strife89 | I pretty much read the manual for him and tried to explain things. |
| 17:08:12 | Strife89 | I failed. |
| 17:08:16 | S_a_i_n_t | same things in the same place |
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| 19:09:27 | JdGordon| | kugel: is there any reason to rush 10868? |
| 19:09:41 | kugel | the bug is hugely annoying for me |
| 19:09:58 | JdGordon| | if its annoying enough then it shuoldnt be an issue to fix it properly :) |
| 19:10:11 | kugel | I don't have the time to do it properly |
| 19:10:46 | JdGordon| | then leave it as is in your local tree |
| 19:11:34 | kugel | or maybe I do it like you, and just commit it |
| 19:11:47 | AlexP | Why does it always have to get hostile? |
| 19:11:56 | AlexP | There was no need for that comment |
| 19:12:07 | kugel | *cough* r23606 *cough* |
| 19:12:24 | AlexP | So? |
| 19:12:36 | JdGordon| | > < this close to calling it quits... really.... |
| 19:12:41 | AlexP | It is just childish to make comments like the last one |
| 19:13:27 | JdGordon| | and anyway, that is a terrible answer because that was only needed because it shuold never have gone in in the first place |
| 19:15:03 | * | kugel doesnt see where it was hostile, unless criticism is a bad thing here |
| 19:15:31 | AlexP | Pointless snide remarks are a bad thing |
| 19:15:50 | gevaerts | kugel: that was not just criticism |
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| 19:18:46 | kugel | it apparently missed its intention, I'm sorry |
| 19:20:54 | kugel | JdGordon|: can you make it right then? as I said, I don't have the time to mess with the new viewport.c stuff now (and not until the weekend at least). of course it shouldn't be rushed if there are objections |
| 19:21:57 | JdGordon| | I can put it on my todo list, but that guarentees nothing of course |
| 19:22:04 | gevaerts | liar: the length==2 is probably indeed a side effect. During the USB connection setup, there are some control transfers with length 2, and control transfers are immediatelly followed (preceded in the code for timing reasons...) by a zero-length transfer, which is the one that breaks if your test results are correct |
| 19:22:21 | JdGordon| | the correct fix shuoldn't be much work at all |
| 19:22:42 | kugel | thanks |
| 19:22:55 | JdGordon| | my biggest issue with backdrops atm is how they are handled in the skin (i.e BADLY) |
| 19:23:07 | JdGordon| | have you (or anyone) tried loading a backdrop in a sbs? |
| 19:24:16 | gevaerts | liar: can you try intercepting the NULL in the driver, and if you see NULL replace it with an array that's declared with USB_DEVBSS_ATTR? Maybe make it big enough to fill a cacheline to avoid other related issues. Look at response_data in usb_core.c for an example of the declaration I mean |
| 19:26:24 | kugel | JdGordon|: %X should be ignored |
| 19:26:33 | kugel | IIRC the backdrop is handled by the skin engine |
| 19:27:00 | kugel | well, but I haven't tried actually |
| 19:27:00 | JdGordon| | in the case of the sbs yes the %X should probably be ignored (or the backdrop setting be removed :) ) |
| 19:27:13 | JdGordon| | but for the fms or wrs thats the wrong behaviour |
| 19:27:29 | JdGordon| | right now the skin engine will put any loaded skin into the single WPS backdrop buffer |
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| 19:28:03 | JdGordon| | I'm trying to come up with a clean way of handling that better |
| 19:28:12 | kugel | well, if we remove the backdrop setting we can just as well remove the ui vp feature |
| 19:28:27 | JdGordon| | no arguments here :) |
| 19:29:54 | JdGordon| | the issue is where to store the main backdrop image without wasting space, given that the sbs should infact be able to load a backdrop |
| 19:30:13 | kugel | I wouldn't be hugely against it, but it would means that having a sbs loaded is almost mandatory (i.e. an empty sbs with just the %X) |
| 19:30:52 | JdGordon| | you've just done a massive backflip?! |
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| 19:31:47 | gevaerts | liar: http://pastebin.com/f1059e9cc to be precise |
| 19:32:06 | liar | gevaerts: yeah the ipod does not freeze anymore, but usb still doesnt work :/ |
| 19:32:21 | JdGordon| | but anyway, assuming the settings are never ermoved, and we dont want to duplicate buffers or add more special handing code, I'm not sure how to do this |
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| 19:32:31 | gevaerts | liar: any idea how far it gets? |
| 19:32:51 | kugel | I've not done a backflip, we just never talked about removing it entirely :) |
| 19:34:00 | liar | gevaerts: http://pastebin.org/71795 |
| 19:34:24 | Utchybann | liar: too bad. I still get a *panic* on my nano2g with your patch. |
| 19:34:33 | liar | hm |
| 19:34:37 | gevaerts | hm, that's actually quite far |
| 19:34:52 | liar | Utchybann: so that may be a different bug |
| 19:35:33 | liar | but now we know it is something different |
| 19:35:44 | kugel | JdGordon|: is there any problem with putting it on the skin buffer? |
| 19:36:01 | Utchybann | liar: could it be my nand ? I get 'Tried to put block 0 into the pool'. |
| 19:36:13 | kugel | there's still the idea floating to resize it upon reboot |
| 19:37:03 | gevaerts | liar: interesting... If i read the linux include/asm-generic/errno.h correctly, -75 is EOVERFLOW |
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| 19:37:35 | gevaerts | liar: have you ever used usbmon? |
| 19:38:22 | liar | gevaerts: no, not yet |
| 19:38:33 | Utchybann | liar: I have to find some time to read the FTL code. |
| 19:39:03 | liar | Utchybann: i am not that familiar with the ftl code :/ only the lowlevel nand code |
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| 19:41:05 | gevaerts | liar: sudo mount none -t debugfs /sys/kernel/debug/; cd /sys/kernel/debug/usb/usbmon/ |
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| 19:42:17 | gevaerts | Then "cat 1t" for according to your dmesg output, then plug in the device |
| 19:45:55 | liar | gevaerts: http://pastebin.org/71800 |
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| 19:46:49 | pamaury | The output of usbmon is unreadable without a software to interpret it, like wireshark, no ? |
| 19:46:55 | JdGordon| | kugel: I want to put all the backdrops in that buffer, the issue is what happens when the user wants to change (or load) a bcakdrop from the filebrpwser |
| 19:48:16 | kugel | you could store the pointer to the buffer position somewhere (backdrop.c maybe), or do something like find_backdrop() |
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| 19:48:34 | gevaerts | pamaury: it is indeed not very easy to read :) |
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| 19:48:50 | gevaerts | I'm not sure if wireshark will show proper result codes though |
| 19:48:54 | kugel | luckily backdrops are fixed size so you can replace it inplace without reparsing the skins |
| 19:50:12 | pamaury | Last time I used wireshark it showed quite a bunch of information but I don't remember what exactly, I used it to debug the mysterious 96bytes limit of usbserial and it seems that the error code was present |
| 19:50:38 | JdGordon| | kugel: yeah, thats one possibility, not pretty though |
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| 19:51:30 | kugel | what exactly is not pretty? |
| 19:52:22 | JdGordon| | what happens when no SBS is loaded but a main backdrop is? |
| 19:52:39 | gevaerts | hm, yes. It seems to also provide proper output |
| 19:52:47 | gevaerts | liar: do you have wireshark installed? |
| 19:52:52 | kugel | that is with the setting alive, right? |
| 19:53:38 | liar | gevaerts: yeah i am just trying to save the results but that program behaves very strange on my netbook. sec |
| 19:53:46 | pamaury | gevaerts: the sole limit of wireshark and which is a usbmon limit iirc is that message data us truncated to x bytes where x=small value ! |
| 19:54:13 | gevaerts | pamaury: isn't that gone on recent systems? Anyway, I don't think it's important in this case |
| 19:55:07 | pamaury | it should be gone according to some doc I found on the web but on my computer I couldn't get it to work, perhaps it's deactivated on my kernel or wireshark doesn't handle it properly |
| 19:56:39 | JdGordon| | kugel: yes, I've bassically given up with trying to convince everyone that the settings should be removed |
| 19:57:01 | kugel | has there been a discussion? |
| 19:57:11 | liar | hum |
| 19:57:20 | JdGordon| | no, only an argument |
| 19:57:25 | liar | how do i find out which usb bus i should choose? |
| 19:57:53 | gevaerts | liar: " usb 1-3:" means bus 1 |
| 19:58:02 | liar | thanks |
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| 20:05:39 | liar | gevaerts: http://pastebin.org/71813 |
| 20:05:53 | liar | 1-22 where already shown before i connected the ipod |
| 20:07:33 | gevaerts | liar: can you save that as some sort of real capture file? |
| 20:10:18 | liar | gevaerts: export: plain text, csv, c arrays file, xml packet summary file, xml packet details file |
| 20:11:34 | gevaerts | liar: just standard "save as" should work best |
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| 20:15:08 | Serious_F | Hello, can somebody tell me if the ipod classic of fifth generation works fine with RockBox, please? In the website it ony says "Ipod", but doesn't specify other than Nano and Mini ipod, which onlywork intheir first generation |
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| 20:15:35 | Serious_F | I need to know the iif the different kinds of ipods, classic, video and the rest would work fine in their fifth generations with rockbox |
| 20:15:59 | gevaerts | Serious_F: the name "Classic" is only used starting from the sixth generation. Before that, the normal ipods are just called ipod |
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| 20:16:41 | Serious_F | Well, it appears ipod classic of fifth generation for instance |
| 20:16:45 | Serious_F | I don't havea clue if it would work... |
| 20:16:55 | AlexP | Serious_F: From the website "iPod 1g through 5.5g" The video is 5/5.5g |
| 20:17:02 | AlexP | Serious_F: The Classic is only the new one |
| 20:17:14 | AlexP | Serious_F: The Video is *not* a Classic |
| 20:17:17 | liar | gevaerts: save as is greyed out |
| 20:17:28 | AlexP | Serious_F: Classic is 6G onwards |
| 20:17:32 | Serious_F | So classic wouldn't work |
| 20:17:36 | Serious_F | I see |
| 20:17:44 | AlexP | No, the Classic won't but the video will |
| 20:17:47 | Serious_F | Thanks, let's see... |
| 20:17:54 | Serious_F | The video will¿? |
| 20:18:02 | Serious_F | Is it a ipod, a normal one then? |
| 20:18:08 | AlexP | Yes, the ipod video is 5 and 5.5G |
| 20:18:15 | AlexP | The ipod Classic is the 6G only |
| 20:18:31 | gevaerts | liar: weird. I really need all details, maube xml packet details will work... |
| 20:18:32 | Serious_F | I see, have anybody trieed that? Somebody is going to spend money on that and I wouldn't like for it not to work, LOL |
| 20:18:39 | AlexP | Yes, of course it has been |
| 20:19:02 | AlexP | If it is really an ipod video and not an ipod classic, then it will be fine |
| 20:19:19 | liar | gevaerts: it works now.. capture has to be stopped before save as works(but export works :S) |
| 20:19:26 | Serious_F | OK, thanks a lot, I will pass on the information. The ipod video is only of fifth gerneration? |
| 20:19:27 | gevaerts | ah, ok |
| 20:19:33 | AlexP | This is the 30 and 60 GB ones, and the 80 GB Videos but not the 80 GB classic |
| 20:19:36 | Serious_F | I meabn, no way for the person who will buy it to get confused? |
| 20:19:43 | AlexP | Serious_F: And 5.5G as I've said three times now :) |
| 20:20:03 | AlexP | Serious_F: Yes, they could get confused |
| 20:20:10 | GodEater | Serious_F: unless you're very familiar with the different generations it's easy to be confused |
| 20:20:13 | AlexP | You can't buy the Video new you know |
| 20:20:22 | AlexP | It has long been discontinued |
| 20:20:41 | Serious_F | OK, in all of those would work as long as it is video. Thank you, hehe |
| 20:20:54 | Serious_F | Exactly |
| 20:20:56 | Serious_F | That's why I ask |
| 20:20:59 | Torne | None of the currently-sold-as-new iPods run rockbox |
| 20:21:11 | AlexP | Apple has a handy page to tell them apart |
| 20:21:26 | liar | gevaerts: http://www.file-upload.net/download-2136218/usb.html |
| 20:21:49 | Serious_F | OK, so nothing sold as new |
| 20:21:57 | Serious_F | I will make sure that it is 5th generation, video |
| 20:22:10 | AlexP | Serious_F: http://support.apple.com/kb/HT1353 |
| 20:22:29 | Torne | you can tell the difference between the video and classic easily if you have it in your hand: the classic is entirely metal, the video only has a metal back and a plastic front |
| 20:23:04 | Serious_F | I see |
| 20:23:07 | Serious_F | metal and plastic |
| 20:23:19 | AlexP | Serious_F: See the link I gave you |
| 20:23:39 | AlexP | Avoid anything called Classic there |
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| 20:27:21 | Serious_F | ipod video 30 gb is ok? |
| 20:27:30 | Torne | yup |
| 20:28:04 | Serious_F | thanks a lot really!!! |
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| 20:36:49 | gevaerts | liar: I'm now back at looking at the raw usbmon output :). I suspect that the problem is that usb_drv_send(EP_CONTROL,NULL,0) actually sends some real data. I have no idea how much, it's not captured (no doubt because there's no memory allocated for it) |
| 20:37:50 | liar | should i try to memset 0 the dummy_data? |
| 20:37:54 | liar | gevaerts: ? |
| 20:38:19 | gevaerts | liar: no point really. It should send exactly zero bytes from that, which it doesn't |
| 20:38:47 | liar | ah i see |
| 20:39:09 | liar | gevaerts: if (!length) DIEPTSIZ(ep) = 1 << 19; /* one empty packet */ |
| 20:39:25 | liar | thats what TheSeven does |
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| 20:41:45 | gevaerts | liar: you don't happen to have a hardware USB analyser nearby? |
| 20:42:29 | liar | gevaerts: no :/ |
| 20:44:29 | liar | gevaerts: an oscilloscope at school :D |
| 20:44:35 | gevaerts | that won't help you |
| 20:44:40 | liar | yeah i know |
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| 20:46:26 | JdGordon| | liar: I can send you our hardware usb analyser if you want |
| 20:47:20 | liar | gevaerts: the strange thing is, if i dont send that message with length==2, usb works most of the time |
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| 20:48:16 | liar | JdGordon|: i think it would be a better idea if i would send my ipod to anybody of you :) |
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| 20:52:29 | gevaerts | liar: what happens if you set DIEPTSIZ(ep) = 0? I'm not entirely sure if it should be 1<<19 or 0 here. Do you have the s3c6400x datasheet? |
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| 20:54:42 | liar | gevaerts: i've just found it |
| 20:54:47 | gevaerts | ok |
| 20:55:10 | gevaerts | After looking again at the usbmon dump, I suspect that the device actually sends two bytes |
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| 21:02:25 | liar | gevaerts: DIEPTSIZ(ep) = 0 does not work either |
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| 21:03:04 | tomers | JdGordon: Ping |
| 21:03:45 | gevaerts | liar: I can't remember now, does it work on some devices, or for some people? |
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| 21:04:12 | liar | it works for TheSeven and some others |
| 21:04:29 | liar | sagemfreak and others are getting usb stkovs |
| 21:04:37 | gevaerts | but are there reports from people who have both a working and a non-working device? |
| 21:04:39 | liar | even if we increase the stack size by 8kB |
| 21:04:55 | gevaerts | for this issue I mean. ftl things are a different matter |
| 21:06:07 | liar | duh i havent said anything about ftl? i think sagemfreak has one working |
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| 21:06:51 | gevaerts | you haven't, but we have to be careful not to confuse the various issues |
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| 21:09:04 | gevaerts | liar: maybe add a panic() in ep_send() and ep_recv() in case endpoints[ep].busy==true when you get there. apart from the datasheet not matching (which is unlikely if it works on some devices) that's the only thing I can think of |
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| 21:11:05 | sandman06 | will there be any news posted regarding future release. or will it be put back |
| 21:11:22 | GodEater | future release of what? |
| 21:11:37 | GodEater | do you mean 3.5 ? |
| 21:11:49 | sandman06 | yes because i read the mailing list |
| 21:11:58 | sandman06 | and they said they might skip and go to 3.6 |
| 21:12:15 | GodEater | yes, I'm afraid I'm no better informed than you |
| 21:12:25 | GodEater | that email thread has left me completely confused |
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| 21:13:35 | sandman06 | what mp3 player do you have if u dont mind me asking |
| 21:13:41 | GodEater | I have about 6 |
| 21:14:03 | sandman06 | lol ok |
| 21:14:14 | sandman06 | your best one then |
| 21:14:15 | liar | gevaerts: ep_send, endpoints[ep].busy==true... |
| 21:14:21 | GodEater | iRiver H140 |
| 21:14:29 | GodEater | but "best" is subjective |
| 21:14:34 | GodEater | it's not the one I use every day |
| 21:14:55 | gevaerts | liar: I think the entire driver should be carefully compared to that datasheet. .. |
| 21:15:40 | gevaerts | liar: one problem might be that EP0 is bidirectional, and that the busy indication might therefore not be accurate |
| 21:16:08 | sandman06 | well sadly my sansa e280 is not longer usable. due to the stupid scroll wheel. so i have switched to toshiba gigabeat s |
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| 21:17:23 | * | gevaerts stops looking that this driver for today |
| 21:19:07 | liar | gevaerts: thanks for your help. i'll try to compare the driver with the datasheet. |
| 21:20:45 | AlexP | sandman06: If/when anything is decided, it'll be announced, but as GodEater says I don't think anyone knows what is going on |
| 21:21:29 | sandman06 | no problem. thanks |
| 21:23:28 | sandman06 | has development on making certain ports stopped ? or is development still ongoing |
| 21:23:45 | AlexP | A lot of stuff is for all ports |
| 21:25:38 | AlexP | Only hardware/driver stuff is specific |
| 21:25:38 | AlexP | (loosely speaking) |
| 21:25:38 | AlexP | And that depends on both how mature the port is, and on what devs there are working on it |
| 21:25:38 | sandman06 | ok i see. because as it stands gigabeat S port seems to be nearly complete for function status, so that it can be thrown into the installer |
| 21:25:38 | DBUG | Enqueued KICK AlexP |
| 21:25:38 | AlexP | not quite |
| 21:25:38 | AlexP | There are a couple of stopper problems with the S |
| 21:25:38 | sandman06 | im guessing DAC driver ? |
| 21:25:48 | AlexP | No, why do you say that? |
| 21:26:01 | AlexP | One is that on some players there is a problem where the bootloader can't find the binary |
| 21:26:15 | sandman06 | because on wiki it mentions some stuff |
| 21:26:28 | AlexP | Another is that sometimes something happens where the Toshiba bootloader decides to format the player |
| 21:26:50 | AlexP | Also, although this doesn't preclude much, battery life is pretty crap |
| 21:27:02 | sandman06 | ok so its more of a bootloader problem |
| 21:27:11 | AlexP | sort of |
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| 21:27:56 | sandman06 | i thought the gigabeat would be best player considering its hardeware spec |
| 21:28:06 | AlexP | Depends on what you want |
| 21:28:13 | AlexP | best is very subjective |
| 21:28:26 | sandman06 | as godeater mentioned |
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| 21:28:59 | AlexP | I like the S and it is one of my most used players, but it isn't what I consider the best one I own |
| 21:29:00 | sandman06 | well i guess best is. long battery life |
| 21:29:14 | sandman06 | which my sansa e280 had |
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| 21:29:22 | AlexP | Not compared to some |
| 21:29:30 | AlexP | but certainly better than the beast |
| 21:29:34 | S_a_i_n_t | godeater also said best was subjective |
| 21:29:46 | AlexP | S_a_i_n_t: Yes, we know |
| 21:29:52 | sandman06 | what has the best batter life ? h10 |
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| 21:30:02 | AlexP | No |
| 21:30:06 | GodEater | not even close |
| 21:30:10 | AlexP | The m5l and x5l |
| 21:30:22 | AlexP | m5l is 45 hours odd I think |
| 21:30:34 | AlexP | My H140 with a bigger battery in it gets 30 |
| 21:30:55 | AlexP | Or did when the battery was new :) |
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| 21:31:07 | AlexP | Is there a m3l? |
| 21:31:20 | sandman06 | what i never understood in terms of sound. is frequency response. there some headphoen that claim 5hz-30khz. when human ear can only hear between 20hz-20khz |
| 21:31:22 | GodEater | 36 hours or so I think with the 2200mA battery in it |
| 21:31:39 | AlexP | sandman06: Depends on the ear |
| 21:32:10 | AlexP | GodEater: In the H140? I have a 220 mAh that got ~30 (but that is good enough for me) |
| 21:32:17 | AlexP | er, 2200 mAh :) |
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| 21:32:35 | GodEater | it's more than good enough for me |
| 21:36:44 | sandman06 | AlexP: can high capacity batter be purchased for gig S |
| 21:36:56 | sandman06 | battery^ |
| 21:36:58 | AlexP | sandman06: yep (I have one) :) |
| 21:37:12 | sandman06 | how much battery life do you get ? |
| 21:37:25 | AlexP | I think from memory that stock is 700 mAh and I have a 1000 mAh |
| 21:37:48 | AlexP | I haven't measured for ages, but about 10 hrs ish a long time ago, so it may be different now |
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| 21:38:13 | sandman06 | is that stock firmware or rockbox ? |
| 21:38:20 | AlexP | Rockbox of course |
| 21:38:34 | AlexP | I've never used the OF except for the install |
| 21:40:51 | sandman06 | it so difficult these days to buy a compatible rockbox player |
| 21:40:57 | sandman06 | none are in production no more |
| 21:41:01 | AlexP | yep |
| 21:41:08 | AlexP | It is normally like that |
| 21:41:18 | AlexP | As ports are very difficult and take a long time |
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| 21:43:16 | sandman06 | does the h140 have optical port |
| 21:43:20 | AlexP | yep |
| 21:43:31 | sandman06 | spdif? |
| 21:43:36 | AlexP | yes |
| 21:43:45 | sandman06 | wow i never new that. no wonder alot of people buy it |
| 21:44:03 | AlexP | playback and recording |
| 21:44:16 | AlexP | er, is that true? |
| 21:44:20 | AlexP | I forget :) |
| 21:45:03 | AlexP | yes, it is true :) |
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| 21:52:11 | sandman06 | quick question if i get a iriver iHP-100 model and buy a seperate hard drive |
| 21:52:14 | sandman06 | will that work |
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| 21:52:24 | AlexP | If it is of the correct type |
| 21:52:32 | AlexP | i.e. 1.8" 50 pin PATA |
| 21:52:37 | AlexP | which are hard to find |
| 21:52:45 | sandman06 | thats the type i need yeah ? |
| 21:53:00 | AlexP | www.rockbox.org/wiki/HarddriveReplacement |
| 21:53:23 | AlexP | er, http://www.rockbox.org/wiki/HardDriveReplacement |
| 21:53:39 | sandman06 | thanks |
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| 22:09:02 | sandman06 | do h10 have any issues with touch scroll pad ? |
| 22:09:14 | sandman06 | or is navigation pretty good |
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| 22:50:03 | Strife89 | http://forums.rockbox.org/index.php?topic=23420.msg160423#msg160423 |
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