00:00:02 | Spaceghost | are different things |
00:00:25 | AlexP | Spaceghost: I don't know what you mean by "sports pictureflow" |
00:00:54 | Spaceghost | sorry, I used the google translate that time xD |
00:01:00 | AlexP | hehe :) |
00:01:05 | Spaceghost | wasn't good to trasnlated |
00:01:05 | pamaury | Spaceghost: I'm not sure but that's was just a joke to say that the pictureflow plugin was useless |
00:01:25 | Spaceghost | ahh |
00:01:27 | Spaceghost | ok |
00:01:41 | * | pamaury don't remember who maintain the pictureflow plugin for fun |
00:02:12 | JdGordon | amiconn: even if the selection list can be stored on the files (or by the list caller in general), there is still 2 problems |
00:02:38 | JdGordon | 1) the list needs to know which to draw as "selected" which could be done via the text callback through a function call (yuck!) |
00:03:02 | JdGordon | and 2) a way to enumerate the selected list after (might not be needed to be done in a generic way though) |
00:03:14 | Spaceghost | * pamaury wonders how many stupid-things-like-the-nike+-ipod-kit the iPod Touch/3GS/... supports ! There are as useless as the pictureflow plugin ;) |
00:03:47 | Spaceghost | there |
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00:04:02 | JdGordon | pf is very useful! |
00:04:19 | pamaury | ah that's you JdGordon who maintain this funny plugin |
00:04:29 | GodEater | JdGordon: he was quoting pamaury |
00:04:34 | AlexP | Unhelpful last worked on it IIRC |
00:04:35 | GodEater | he didn't say that personally |
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00:04:42 | Spaceghost | I did not say that |
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00:05:05 | JdGordon | and no, i dont think i've ever touched the pf code |
00:05:13 | * | B4gder takes all the blame. sorry guys, my fault |
00:05:23 | AlexP | Ah, the fall guy is here :) |
00:05:52 | * | B4gder wears shades and earpiece |
00:05:54 | Spaceghost | pamaury, do you think that the Nike accesory not helpful? |
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00:06:45 | pamaury | I'm wondering how useful is it ? I mean, how many people really use this ? |
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00:08:24 | Spaceghost | I think it's an interesting idea, pity it is so exclusive and limited |
00:08:51 | JdGordon | there is no correlation between somethings usefuleness and how much its used... *especially* in apples world |
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00:09:18 | pamaury | JdGordon: do you think it would be useful to implement item selection in the listview ? Would other areas (apart from *would be* multi-select) use it ? |
00:10:24 | pamaury | it costs money to develop it so apple would sell it only if people buy it, no ? |
00:11:25 | * | JdGordon was more thinking about the numerous fart iphone apps... |
00:11:38 | JdGordon | but yes, multiselect is for sure worth implementing |
00:12:59 | pamaury | Would it require lots of work to have a listview with selectable items ? |
00:16:15 | bertrik | pamaury, I'd say a moderate amount |
00:16:59 | bertrik | First we'd have to add support to do the multi-select (agree on a way to do this in the UI) |
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00:17:58 | pamaury | How exactly it works ? I mean, a listview needs a state, when you browse fil you're in a listview with an associated state. But when you do a context menu, there is a another list-view, so is the state of the previous one deleted ? (I know nothing of the gui part) |
00:17:59 | bertrik | Seconds, we need to think how for each action to do something meaningful when multiple items are selected and activated |
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00:19:41 | pamaury | Yes |
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00:25:50 | JdGordon | pamaury: the tree and the context menu use different lists so the state is known |
00:25:59 | JdGordon | .. rememebered |
00:26:41 | pamaury | Ok that's a per-list basis then. |
00:29:01 | JdGordon | most of the work is on the callers side, not the list side |
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03:41:47 | handeh | Hi. |
03:41:55 | handeh | I have an ipod 5.5g will it work with rockbox? |
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03:44:04 | handeh | Hello? |
03:49:34 | Unhelpful | there's a list of supported players on the front page at rockbox.org |
03:50:23 | handeh | Well I have installed it on the ipod, but it doesnt change when i disconnect the ipod |
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04:50:37 | S_a_i_n_t | handeh: have you installed the bootloader? |
04:51:46 | S_a_i_n_t | whoops, he's gone....meh :/ |
04:54:51 | Space | what is the target with the better sound? |
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05:00:43 | Space | the earlier ipods have a good sound? |
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05:17:52 | S_a_i_n_t | earlier iPods? |
05:18:06 | S_a_i_n_t | my nano 1st gen sounds great rockboxed... |
05:18:12 | S_a_i_n_t | 2nd gen good also.. |
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05:32:12 | Batmanifestdesti | So, which mp3 player for under $50 would you guys reccomend for rockbox? |
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05:34:53 | advcomp2019 | Batmanifestdesti, the sansas e200 and c200 series |
05:35:05 | Batmanifestdesti | okay, I'll check that out |
05:40:57 | * | Unhelpful thinks he's found his umod32 bug, and feels very very very very stupid |
05:41:07 | Unhelpful | lsr where i need lsl :/ |
05:42:14 | Batmanifestdesti | that's happened to me before with semicolons. |
05:43:02 | Unhelpful | worse, it was add pc, pc, offset, lsr #3... instead of lsl #3. amazing it never *crashed*. |
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05:55:23 | Batmanifestdesti | man, it seems like all the mp3 players in my price range available for rockbox are no longer sold in stores. |
05:56:45 | S_a_i_n_t | <Batmanifestdesti>: pretty much a given that you'll be getting it second hand... |
05:57:24 | S_a_i_n_t | especially if you're looking at the ipod family |
05:57:48 | Batmanifestdesti | If only my dad would realise that some things are good secondhand. He's had me shopping at Target and stuff for mp3 players, and I want one that supports rockbox. |
05:58:35 | S_a_i_n_t | nothing wrong with second hand, you dont need to but it from some dodgy guy out of the bewspaper...there are refurb shops |
05:58:44 | S_a_i_n_t | *buy |
05:58:55 | S_a_i_n_t | *newspaper |
05:59:26 | S_a_i_n_t | google 'model mp3 you want+refurb+your location |
05:59:45 | S_a_i_n_t | should get *some* hits at least. |
05:59:52 | Batmanifestdesti | ok |
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06:03:08 | maraz^ | /op failbot |
06:04:43 | Unhelpful | hrm, is it worth making an add-to-pc instruction conditional? will it still cost as much as a branch if skipped? |
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06:10:10 | ruckus1 | hey peoples |
06:11:27 | Unhelpful | better still, special-case divisor-is-one and then never do the first iteration... |
06:12:05 | ruckus1 | i've been having an interesting problem with my 5.5 gen ipod. i managed to rip its ribbon cable that connects the ipod with the hold button and the headphones, and i replaced it with another one. after i did so, the feature "pause on headphone unplug" ceased to work, and instead of pausing the music continues to play |
06:12:39 | ruckus1 | does anyone have ideas what can i do to get it to work again? |
06:13:04 | Unhelpful | ruckus1: figure out what went wrong with your repair, i'd guess. ;) |
06:13:22 | ruckus1 | Unhelpful: irony ? |
06:13:31 | ruckus1 | i mean, the ipod works perfectly |
06:13:33 | ruckus1 | otherwise |
06:13:51 | Unhelpful | except that it can no longer detect the headphone disconnecting. |
06:14:02 | ruckus1 | correct. |
06:14:44 | ruckus1 | i'm thinking i bought a compatible ribbon from another ipod generation |
06:14:54 | ruckus1 | but the ebay page doesn't say anything about it |
06:15:29 | Batmanifestdesti | with the whole "sansa e200 series" support gor rockbox, does that include e260, e240 etc? |
06:15:58 | Batmanifestdesti | for* |
06:17:10 | Unhelpful | Batmanifestdesti: e2xx v1 are supported. later revisions, which (thanks sansa) are not distinguishable from labeling or external features, are in development |
06:17:48 | Batmanifestdesti | wow, so I'd be sitting around going "hurr hurr, which one do I have?" until I found out I had the wrong one, eh? |
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06:19:32 | Unhelpful | Batmanifestdesti: well, no, if you can start it up, you can check the vendor firmware version. also certain sites sell refurbs that are reliably v1. |
06:19:51 | Batmanifestdesti | oh, ok |
06:20:08 | Batmanifestdesti | so, with rockbox, you can boot it from the original firmware, right? |
06:20:17 | Batmanifestdesti | that's what the unstable port site says |
06:20:24 | Unhelpful | so, if you're getting it used from ebay, you could ask the seller... |
06:21:52 | Batmanifestdesti | ok |
06:22:29 | Batmanifestdesti | holy cow the early archos players are large |
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08:42:00 | Unhelpful | hrm, can i assign a register name, etc, to a variable in an asm macro, and use it as i would one of the arguments? i'm trying to figure out how to do this... esentially i need to use a different one of the registers passed as arguments for something based on ARM_ARCH, and it would be much more messy to duplicate the entire macro with the changes :/ |
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09:53:47 | amiconn | Unhelpful: Did you test on the beast? |
09:54:17 | amiconn | Otherwise I would expect the lsr case to crash with a data abort if the address ends up being unaligned |
09:56:07 | amiconn | Hmm, or maybe not... |
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09:58:50 | arbingordon | hello, I'm trying to install rockbox on my sisters sansa e250v2 |
09:59:04 | arbingordon | but I can't find the usb options under settings |
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10:01:18 | Unhelpful | amiconn: well, the lsr was a mistake anyway, and is fixed now. i found more things to debug when i got to the armv5e/v6 version that uses clz to align the inputs instead of a shift/compare sequence. i now have unsigned div, divmod, and two mod implementations working on beast and e200. signed already works on e200, but will need some fixups to parallel the ones i did for unsigned (the divider body inverts the divisor early, and obviously |
10:01:18 | Unhelpful | clz needs the positive divisor) |
10:03:14 | Unhelpful | i've been looking for a good place to fit in a 1-divisor or pow2-divisor test... these were very nicely optimized in the APE version but the zero-divisor test already fits to an op that the new divider needs, so calculating divisor - 1 would only be used for these new tests. |
10:03:55 | Unhelpful | and i'm still not sure it's really important to special-case these, although dividing by one of course perform abysmally, probably about 80-100 cycles, i'd think |
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10:17:29 | arbingordon | nvm, i figured it out, outdated, crappy sansa firmware keeps you from having MSC access to it |
10:17:34 | arbingordon | thanks i guess |
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10:24:41 | Unhelpful | it seems the best way to do things like swapping registers used, etc, in a macro is to wrap it in another macro? at least, this solution seems to work. the issue is that the armv5+ version needs the non-inverted divisor for the clz, but can still do the inversion early by storing to a different register and then using the divisor register as a scratch register. |
10:26:06 | Unhelpful | and it works for signed on beast now, too. the only thing left to do is a signed version of the specialized mod-only function, and of course benchmarking these against each other and against libgcc's functions |
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10:32:05 | S_a_i_n_t | Question: In 'Advanced Rockbox install methods with ipodpatcher' do I just use 'ipodpatcher' as a command-line argument (as in 'ipodpatcher -rf apple_os.ipod')? or is it talking of something entirely different? |
10:32:47 | S_a_i_n_t | additionally, what is the 'best' (subjective) method to use? |
10:43:01 | amiconn | Unhelpful: What about this newton-raphson implementation? |
10:46:49 | amiconn | I wonder how an approximating loop can be faster than the linear test-and-subtract |
10:50:00 | Space | how can I do a full backup of the ipod (with all her music) before to try install rockbox? |
10:50:13 | Space | can I do a ISO image of that in linux to then can be restore? |
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10:54:33 | Unhelpful | amiconn: because trial subtraction takes one iteration per bit of output, while newton-raphson approximation of 1/d, with a good starting estimate, does a good deal better. it appears the sample divider does 2-3 N-R iterations to get a result that is close enough, and gets the last 2 bits or so via trial subtraction. |
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11:01:15 | tmzt | Space: can't you just copy the mp3 files from the iPod's harddrive? |
11:01:47 | tmzt | also, iso is not a generic term for disk image, it's for compact discs, it's the iso9660 filesystem |
11:02:03 | S_a_i_n_t | Space: though it's generally a good idea toback up files, everything *should* be fine as long as you don;t botch the install... |
11:02:09 | S_a_i_n_t | and that's pretty hard to do |
11:02:36 | Space | what is hard to do? |
11:02:50 | S_a_i_n_t | botch the install of rockbox |
11:02:59 | S_a_i_n_t | your files *should* be fine |
11:04:12 | S_a_i_n_t | if you're installing rockbox, it's probably best to start from scratch anyway...as the iTunes Database is shit. |
11:05:48 | Space | but I don't have the fonts that all music that I have on it |
11:06:19 | S_a_i_n_t | what?!? |
11:08:15 | S_a_i_n_t | sorry dude, english is my first language, so you may have to try a little harder. that doesn't make any sense. |
11:08:25 | Space | ok |
11:08:41 | Space | I have a lot of music only in my ipod |
11:08:54 | Space | and not in the computer |
11:09:14 | S_a_i_n_t | sync your iPod with iTunes...or whatever you used to put the music on there in the first place |
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11:09:24 | S_a_i_n_t | then you'll have it backed up as a library |
11:10:10 | Space | with iTunes can I extract the music from iPod? |
11:10:57 | S_a_i_n_t | yes, it's called 'syncing', you just sync the music on the iPod with the computer |
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11:14:55 | Space | ohh, I have a problem with him now |
11:18:16 | S_a_i_n_t | a problem with what sorry? |
11:20:17 | S_a_i_n_t | Space: are you using a Mac or Windows based PC? |
11:20:22 | Space | I eject, but then reconnect and disconnect it when it was reconnecting |
11:20:25 | Space | windows |
11:21:12 | Space | now for restarting, I can see my bookshelves but only for a few seconds then restarts |
11:21:53 | Space | and when I connect I can't access |
11:22:14 | Space | windows says that he need be restaured by iTunes |
11:22:16 | Space | :@ |
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11:22:54 | S_a_i_n_t | well, if prompted to restart, it's a good idea to do so, so try that first. |
11:23:18 | Space | I have tried |
11:23:37 | Space | he continous do the same, restart and then... |
11:23:40 | Space | well |
11:24:18 | Space | I will boot linux, may be can I see the files on hdd on it? |
11:24:21 | Unhelpful | ouch, i am *slower* on beast than __aeabi_uidiv... although perhaps that's on account of my test values specifically *not* being uniformly distributed and the divider not special-casing 1 or powers of 2 |
11:24:50 | S_a_i_n_t | Space: what type of iPod is it? |
11:26:01 | Space | ipod video |
11:26:27 | Space | is 5G |
11:27:43 | S_a_i_n_t | have you installed the bootloader? ipodpatcher |
11:27:53 | Space | no |
11:28:01 | S_a_i_n_t | there you go... |
11:28:32 | S_a_i_n_t | are you installing manually, or using rbutil? |
11:28:51 | Space | but, I didn't do anything only I disconnect badly I think |
11:29:27 | Space | because I expulse same a external hdd maybe, and iTunes continous working, but |
11:29:53 | S_a_i_n_t | you need to install the bootloader AS WELL as the .rockbox folder, otherwise rockbox won't run |
11:30:46 | Space | I didn't start the installation |
11:30:58 | S_a_i_n_t | space: are you installing manually, or using rbutil? |
11:31:14 | Space | so may be I don't have talking about it here |
11:32:14 | Space | s/don't have/musn't/ |
11:32:33 | pixelma | Space: do you mean that your Ipod isn't working currently? |
11:32:43 | S_a_i_n_t | well, if it's not a rockbox problem, then maybe... |
11:33:30 | Space | yes, he are restarting and restarting |
11:33:45 | Space | and only can see the interface for a few of seconds |
11:34:38 | pixelma | did you try to hard reset it? |
11:34:50 | Space | yes |
11:35:03 | S_a_i_n_t | if hard reset doesnt work, try putting it in 'disk mode' and using iTunes to restore it. you WILL lose all your music though. |
11:35:23 | Space | but not restore yet |
11:35:45 | S_a_i_n_t | you may have to |
11:35:59 | Space | I will try if I can saves of another form, even if the database |
11:36:37 | Space | may be can I find it and have the names of songs, and artists? even? |
11:37:32 | S_a_i_n_t | iTunes doesn't save the Database as you'd expect it to. it splits the database up into its own filesystem.....if you can, good luck. |
11:39:23 | Space | itunes is crap, this happened because I took over my computer, and automatically starts automatically connects, :@ |
11:39:33 | * | amiconn thinks that the 2-instruction steps can be extended to handle 32-bit division without special casing |
11:40:10 | S_a_i_n_t | Space: those features can EASILY be disabled in iTunes. |
11:41:37 | Space | I haven't idea about the second |
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11:42:37 | S_a_i_n_t | If you don;t want iTunes to automatically connect )to the internet?) remove the firewall exception |
11:44:08 | Space | I only have firewall on access point |
11:49:52 | Space | don't exist a option to turn off complete, true? to stop the restart, I need to expect your battery runs down? |
11:56:28 | Space | well, the last try |
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12:01:45 | Unhelpful | amiconn: oh? how so? i tried to think of a way, but it doesn't seem possible to eliminate the possibility that the partial remainder will have the high bit set, but still fail the trial subtraction, and then have its high bit shifted out on the next iteration. |
12:02:21 | pixelma | Space: if you get your Ipod into disk mode you should be able to copy all files off if the filesystem is not damaged I believe. Then the music won't be lost but it will be hard to find and order the files correctly again (I don't have an Ipod so I'm not completely sure, just from what I heard about Ipods here) |
12:05:52 | Unhelpful | and if the high bit shifts out, the next iteration will produce a correct partial remainder, but will not set the carry bit correctly |
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12:10:45 | Unhelpful | in a uniform distribution the numerator will have the high bit set half of the time. this is probably not the case very often in practice. for the APE udiv32_arm i optimized rather heavily in favor of the common case, so that it costs only one skipped branch. the one i'm working on uses a few more ops but handles the 32-bit numerator case without resorting to calling part of itself as a function |
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12:23:57 | wilfred_ | I've not had any feedback on my patch at http://www.rockbox.org/tracker/task/10895?getfile=21174, can anyone look over it for me please? |
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12:51:52 | amiconn | Unhelpful: I think it will be possible by negating the dividend instead of the divisor |
12:52:25 | amiconn | (and then using cmn for comparison) |
12:57:23 | pixelma | wilfred_: nice to see some translation updates, will look over it later today maybe. A first question - we have a real name policy for contributions - could you state your full name otherwise the patch couldn't be accepted. You'll get a place in the credits then too ;) |
12:57:58 | amiconn | Hmm, cmn won't work |
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13:10:02 | wilfred_ | pixelma: my full name is in the patch, are you referring to the tracker? |
13:11:12 | pixelma | oh, didn't see it. I think that should do |
13:12:43 | wilfred_ | thanks |
13:21:21 | CIA-9 | New commit by teru (r24203): Fix FS #10893. |
13:38:24 | Spaceghost | S_a_i_n_t, finally I could restore the most of my music put the ipod on manually disk mode |
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13:49:08 | S_a_i_n_t | Spaceghost: !yay! |
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13:57:45 | Spaceghost | S_a_i_n_t, what is the meaning of that expresion? |
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14:01:17 | S_a_i_n_t | yay = great! woohoo! congratulations etc. |
14:04:00 | Spaceghost | thanks |
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14:18:11 | pamaury | gevaerts: could you have a look at the patch I posted on FS #10889 if you have time ? |
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14:28:44 | gevaerts | pamaury: comment added |
14:30:38 | pamaury | Yes for 1), for 3) I thought about it but it's only a matter of translating then. Also I don't know how translation work. For 2), yes perhaps, it could save some bytes. I'll continue the work on this to fix all that |
14:31:43 | gevaerts | hm, on second thoughts forget about the string duplication. In a non-logf build there is no duplicate in the first place, and if you translate it gets even more tricky |
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14:33:09 | pamaury | How translation work: you add a D***(lang_id)...something instead of the string and where do you put the lang id and the message ? |
14:33:43 | * | gevaerts doesn't know :\ |
14:34:01 | S_a_i_n_t | pamaury: wiki? |
14:34:23 | S_a_i_n_t | *rbwiki? |
14:34:36 | pamaury | probably on the wiki, yes, I'll have a look at it |
14:35:34 | S_a_i_n_t | pamaury: I wasn't trying to be a smartass, I was wondering if you'd checked or not, 'cos if it isn't there, it *should* be there. |
14:36:12 | pamaury | No I haven't check ;) But it seems that there is a description of .lang files on the wiki, I'm reading... |
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14:44:53 | evert | what files can i safely delete in the .rockbox so my rockbox will generate a fresh and new database? |
14:45:11 | evert | there are a lot of songs 2 to 10 double in the database for some unknown reason |
14:45:40 | evert | i guess all the .rockbox/database* files but just asking to be sure :) |
14:46:12 | stripwax__ | evert - you might want to 'export modifications' (from database menu) first (e.g. song play counts, your ratings, etc) if you use that feature |
14:46:20 | stripwax__ | but yes all the database* files |
14:46:42 | evert | i don't really use that feature, having the scrobbling for that :) |
14:46:48 | evert | ok, thanks |
14:47:36 | S_a_i_n_t | theres a bunch numbered 0 - 9 or something |
14:47:50 | evert | already gone :) |
14:48:00 | S_a_i_n_t | those are the db files |
14:48:12 | S_a_i_n_t | *were* |
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15:12:19 | Unhelpful | amiconn: also -(1<<32) is still (1<<32) isn't it? but that leaves one very small special case. |
15:12:39 | Unhelpful | also remember there are no compares in the loop :) |
15:13:02 | mt | Would there be a problem if the front page showed the latest commits in the mdctexp branch ? |
15:13:31 | mt | B4gder: ^ ? |
15:15:17 | Unhelpful | amiconn: i'm heading for bead, but if you want to look at the N-R multiplier and the analysis, it's in the ARM System Developer's Guide, which you can browse here: http://www.docstoc.com/docs/2844296/ARM-System-Developers-Guide |
15:15:46 | Unhelpful | heading 7.3.2, page 223 |
15:17:18 | Unhelpful | a lengthy analysis of the path taken through the routine depending on divisor size is also given. |
15:21:06 | B4gder | mt: well, it'd require modified scripting... |
15:21:18 | B4gder | not necessarily a problem, just work |
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15:23:12 | mt | B4gder: I'm just looking in /www/update_front.sh , I could take a shot at a it myself, I was just asking to see if there were any objections to the idea itself. (btw, would that be the only file to edit ?) |
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15:25:20 | B4gder | afair, it works against a svn checkout so it needs that at least |
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15:28:15 | mt | stripwax: Great work on the mdct, Thanks :) |
15:28:57 | stripwax | mt :) no problem. it's not there yet though.. |
15:30:07 | stripwax | in particular, I *really* want to investigate alternative pre/post twiddling steps, to elimate requiring different twiddle tables for different sizes (and/or unifying all tables into one/two tables, like Tremor has) |
15:30:54 | stripwax | That would also eliminate one of the remaining two "Init" steps (the mdct twiddle factors is one init step, the fft bitreverse/reordering index table is the other init step). Fft no longer has any twiddle factor init, cos that uses the same table as Tremor now |
15:31:02 | stripwax | (the same static/fixed table) |
15:33:26 | mt | I see. I really want to work on it, but it seems my college is trying to set a new record on how many hours/day they keep us there. (last sat ~13 hours :/ ) |
15:33:51 | stripwax | Pah, that's nothing . This time last year I was working 42hour days at work! :) |
15:34:02 | B4gder | on the hiway! |
15:34:14 | B4gder | in a shoebox |
15:34:25 | * | B4gder sneaks off into -community again |
15:34:25 | mt | Ah you win. :) |
15:34:55 | stripwax | One twiddle idea comes from a pdf I read, I'll dig out the link later on. Basically you can replace the current cos(2PI * (i+1/8)/N) pre twiddle with just cos(2PI*i/N), and replace the cos(2PI*(i+1/8)/N) post twiddle with cos(2PI*(i+1/4)/N) |
15:35:08 | stripwax | Now that would mean the pretwiddle can share the same table as fft/tremor |
15:35:42 | stripwax | the post twiddle is still a different set of trigs though :( But you could actually reduce the size of the table at the expense of one extra complex mul per sample: |
15:36:02 | mt | Nice. Could you add that link to the wiki ? |
15:36:18 | stripwax | I.e. post twiddle by cos(2PI*i/N), then post twiddle again by cos(2PI/4N) |
15:36:47 | stripwax | (which is a constant dependent only on N, i.e. a single cos/sin factor required for each different N, as opposed to a whole new trig table for different sizes of N) |
15:36:53 | stripwax | mt - yep, will do |
15:37:48 | mt | Great. I must run now. btw, excellent code comments. ;) |
15:37:53 | stripwax | hah, thanks! :) |
15:38:08 | * | mt heads off |
15:39:00 | * | stripwax wonders which will be better : trig table in ICONST data and four extra muls per sample, or trig table in ram and no extra muls per sample |
15:41:02 | CIA-9 | New commit by teru (r24204): draw selection bar even if str is empty string (e.g. in text_editor plugin). |
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15:44:11 | bluebrother | domonoky: I was thinking about adding a new parameter with the rbutil version number when retrieving rbutilqt.php from the theme site. That way the theme site can react to the versions, like displaying a notice that a newer rbutil is required for the theme site. |
15:44:16 | bluebrother | any thoughts on that? |
15:46:38 | domonoky | hm, does the theme site then need to know about rbutil versions ? wouldnt it be better the other way round ? ie a version in the themeoutput of rbutil.php ? |
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15:53:16 | bluebrother | well, that would mean that rbutil needs to know what to display −− and it doesn't know about this. |
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15:53:54 | bluebrother | but we could add both directions :) |
15:54:01 | domonoky | :-) |
15:55:01 | bluebrother | my idea was to maybe try to submit the svn revision of rbutil, so the theme site can say something like "rbutil svn > r12345 (version 10.20.30) required, your rbutil is r9999" |
15:55:28 | bluebrother | i.e. it doesn't need to know exactly about rbutil but only which is the minimal version required to use the theme site. |
15:55:40 | domonoky | but how does the theme site know this ? hardcoded in the php file ? |
15:56:08 | bluebrother | of course we could add more functionality around that later. No idea what useful applications are around, but well ;-) |
15:56:45 | bluebrother | well, the theme site obviously needs to know about the versions. Maybe a database table with a revision - error string mapping. |
15:57:03 | bluebrother | the php file needs to access the database anyway ;-) |
15:57:24 | domonoky | sure it has access to the db, but we dont have this table :-) |
15:57:34 | domonoky | and someone has to maintain the table. |
15:58:10 | bluebrother | sure, but I guess this shouldn't change often. |
15:58:36 | domonoky | i think it would be better it rbutil just requests version x of the rbutil.php output, if it cant deliver that, it gives a error. And we just bump the version, when ever we change the rbutil.php output. |
15:59:15 | bluebrother | well, it's not only the output format of rbutil.php. It's also the parameters −− like changing the target names. |
15:59:31 | domonoky | true |
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15:59:53 | bluebrother | right now svn will request a target sansae200 while the last release will request e200. That was a source for that idea ;-) |
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16:00:35 | flyback | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WMZXT1goELA&feature=related |
16:00:39 | domonoky | for the targetnames, we should just rename the themesite targetnames, shortly before/after we release a new rbutil version. |
16:00:54 | bluebrother | so instead of retrieving rbutil.php?target=e200 we could now retrieve rbutil.php?target=sansae200&rbutil=12345. Then the theme site can return an error if that revision number is too low |
16:01:07 | * | flyback falls over head |
16:01:28 | bluebrother | and as old rbutil version don't send that number the theme site can simply tell that the version is too old too. |
16:03:40 | bluebrother | that's at least better than simply to tell that there are no themes (because the target name changed). The rename is still an issue with the build server binaries but that's a different thing. |
16:04:19 | domonoky | sure, a better error-message would be nice. currently it could also tell you, that it doesnt know this theme :-) |
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16:05:05 | domonoky | s/theme/target. |
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16:06:08 | domonoky | but i think we should bind this to revision numbers, a simple version number would also work. like rbutil.php?target=sansae200&version=1 |
16:06:16 | domonoky | +not |
16:06:33 | bluebrother | hmm. |
16:07:11 | bluebrother | ok, so we agree that it makes sense to send some rbutil version string / number to the theme site at least? ;-) |
16:07:17 | domonoky | jup |
16:08:08 | bluebrother | ok. I'll rethink it a bit about what exactly to send. Sending a GET parameter more fortunately doesn't hurt so it's no problem :) |
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16:12:21 | domonoky | good. the less changes this need on the themesite the better :-) |
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16:44:11 | bertrik | is there something special in tick_funcs[0] ? |
16:45:22 | bertrik | never mind, the code looks funny, but is probably correct |
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17:15:15 | bertrik | The as3525 has two PLLs of which we currently use only one (PLL A). This results in a lot of clock frequencies being dependent on each other. |
17:15:35 | bertrik | Maybe we could get a bit more accurate by using PLL B just for generating the audio clocks |
17:17:13 | bertrik | but that could have the disadvantage of drawing a little more current |
17:18:52 | Llorean | How much is it likely to impact battery life? |
17:20:18 | Llorean | I mean, in my book "introducing as little error into the audio as possible" is a pretty high priority as long as we're still able to compare equally or favorably with the OF. |
17:20:27 | Llorean | That is, once power management over all is done. |
17:20:48 | bertrik | I don't know by how much. I vaguely remember someone having done measurements on this (saratoga/buschel maybe?) but I'm not sure |
17:21:49 | soap | I assume nothing which could be runtime selectable? The option of "precise timing with less battery" vs "OF timing and OF battery life" ? |
17:22:09 | Llorean | Do we even match the OF battery life on Clip yet? |
17:22:18 | Llorean | I haven't paid attention but I thought last time I looked it was running short still. |
17:22:28 | bertrik | I don't think so yet, I'll have a look at SansaRuntime |
17:22:49 | soap | While it's a nice rule-of-thumb to try and compare favorably with the OF when it comes to battery life, if the OF "cheats" and degrades battery life at the cost of audio playback it's not really a fair comparison anymore. |
17:23:03 | bertrik | hm, there's no Clip runtime yet |
17:23:13 | soap | excuse me. s/degrades/improves/ |
17:24:31 | Llorean | soap: Well, I mean if it's a significant (I mean 10% or more kind of numbers) reduction in battery life for something a majority of users probably can't hear, and it can't be user configurable, and it'll mean we'll probably always measure less than the OF in battery life we probably shouldn't do it. |
17:24:42 | Llorean | I mean optimizations for all of our compressed audio are accuracy vs performance. |
17:25:04 | Llorean | But it really depends on how badly it affects things (which we won't know without some sort of testing anyway) |
17:25:44 | bertrik | I guess significantly less than 10% impact |
17:26:13 | Llorean | Then we should probably just go for it if it means fixing a notorious problem the OF has. |
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17:28:29 | bertrik | I'm not sure we can do it with 0% error anyway |
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17:28:51 | Llorean | Do we know the error on our other targets? |
17:29:19 | bertrik | At least I don't know it, or know where it is documented .. :P |
17:31:47 | bertrik | We can configure PLL B to 16 x Fcrystal at 384 MHz, this would give 44117.6 Hz, or a 0.04% error |
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17:36:04 | bertrik | I guess this takes 2 hours (by me or by funman for example) or so to implement as a proof-of-concept |
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17:41:01 | FlynDice | bertrik: We could just change the whole clock scheme to run off of plla @ 384, the main thing we lose is the higher fclk @ 248, we could use fclk 192, pclk 64 |
17:42:21 | bertrik | FlynDice, ah, that's just changing a #define in clock-target.h, right? |
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17:42:55 | bertrik | FlynDice, do you remember anyone doing current measurements while changing the various clocks? |
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17:43:09 | FlynDice | yes , a couple of defines |
17:44:09 | FlynDice | no current measurements, saratoga mentioned something along those lines but then we kind of settled in to the current scheme as being the one to go with. |
17:45:55 | FlynDice | I can say mpegplayer runs fine at 192 fclk, is there something else that we do that requires more horsepower? |
17:46:26 | bertrik | I think one of the lossless codecs needs a lot |
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17:49:27 | bertrik | the ape codec is very CPU intensive |
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17:53:11 | FlynDice | so the tradeoff there is better ape performance for reduced runtime(using pllb for audio)? |
17:53:49 | bertrik | I think the options are: 1) keep the current scheme with about 0.15% pitch error (still better than OF) 2) use a PLLA frequency of 384 MHz (0.04% error@44.1 kHz), but sacrifice some boosted CPU speed (248MHz -> 192 MHz) and some battery life or 3) use a separate PLL (PLL B) at 384 MHz (0.04% error @ 44.1 kHz) for the audio clock and sacrifice some battery life |
17:54:27 | FlynDice | yes that seems correct to me |
17:54:41 | bertrik | maybe option 2) is even a bit better w.r.t. battery life because of the reduced boosted CPU speed |
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17:55:51 | soap | is there an option which splits the difference? |
17:55:56 | FlynDice | yes, that would mean no switching for voltage scaling, just a constant lower voltage should work |
17:56:11 | * | kugel thinks we should keep what we have now |
17:56:34 | * | FlynDice knew that's what kugel would say ;-) |
17:56:40 | soap | 0.04% is below what Wikipedia is calling the threshold of perception. Could a bit more error be allowed to safe any battery life - or are there really only two good clocks to be at? |
17:56:53 | soap | s/safe/save/ |
17:57:07 | kugel | I doubt anyone notices 0.15%, the OF's error is >2% AFAIK |
17:57:18 | soap | 0.247 |
17:57:42 | soap | % |
17:58:29 | kugel | hm, maybe the >2% was on the v2 AMSes then (fuzev2, clipv2) |
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18:01:54 | saratoga_ | FWIW I tend to think > 200MHz clocks on AMS aren't really worth it since they require higher voltage |
18:01:55 | kugel | the samsas are known for great sound quality, even with the .247%, so I don't think .15% is enough to sacrifice battery like or performance |
18:01:55 | bertrik | soap, the wikipedia page I'm reading mentions 0.36 Hz in the octave of 1000-2000 Hz, that's 0.036% at 1000 Hz and quite close to the 0.04% we can reach |
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18:02:03 | saratoga_ | we'd probably get better battery life without them |
18:02:12 | kugel | we need the voltage anyway |
18:02:27 | kugel | many microsd cards don't work with lower voltage |
18:02:49 | saratoga_ | is that actually related to the cpu core voltage or just because of how we switch it? |
18:03:07 | FlynDice | I would tend to think its the switching |
18:03:10 | bertrik | I still don't really get the low-voltage / sd-card problem by the way, AFAIK sd cards work at 3.3V, not at the internal processor voltage |
18:03:36 | kugel | before we boosted for microsd access many more cards didn't work |
18:03:54 | saratoga_ | i always assumed it was the SD controller on the AS chip that had either a problem with lower voltage or a problem with switching voltages (perhaps it ends up in some undefined state occasionally on voltage change) |
18:04:53 | FlynDice | we're using 3.0 v for the sdcard voltage now which matches the of |
18:05:06 | saratoga_ | i wonder if its worth getting an m200v4 and hooking up jtag to it to see what clocks the OF is using |
18:05:11 | saratoga_ | does anyone have one of those? |
18:05:23 | saratoga_ | iirc it had widely spaced jtag pins that could be readily used |
18:05:24 | bertrik | domonoky has one |
18:05:55 | bertrik | (an m200v4 I mean, not sure about any jtag adapter) |
18:06:09 | saratoga_ | serial to jtag adapters are a couple dollars IIRC |
18:06:24 | saratoga_ | though maybe just reverse engineering the OF more is easier |
18:06:35 | * | domonoky could send the m200v4 to someone todo this... |
18:07:10 | kugel | saratoga: the current problem is the switching probably, but number of non working cards was way higher when we accessed them while being at lower voltage (that wasn't a switching problem) |
18:07:40 | saratoga_ | i still want to know why we can't clock the AMS memory controller at 2x PCLK |
18:07:50 | saratoga_ | the controller and the DRAM both say they can do it |
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18:12:04 | kugel | domonoky: I see the admin work needed text, but I can't find the actual job |
18:13:00 | kugel | (i logged in) |
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18:15:27 | domonoky | kugel: use the link to view all themes, and then limit selection to reported themes. |
18:15:55 | kugel | there are a few errors at the top |
18:16:23 | domonoky | can you show them to me (screen shot) i dont see errors. |
18:16:38 | domonoky | oh, i see them now too. |
18:17:09 | domonoky | ah, it look at the wrong place for the file. |
18:18:04 | kugel | people seem to abuse the report function |
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18:21:22 | kugel | are we going to delete themes that are marked with "Theme was replaced by newer version." |
18:21:25 | kugel | ? |
18:21:54 | * | domonoky doesnt understand why it looks at the wrong place for filestat. Maybe someone else can take a look to spot the error ? (private/themesite.class.php listthemes(), approved should be 2 if a theme is reported.) |
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18:22:50 | domonoky | kugel: that are themes which are replaced with the update function from the users.. i didnt want to delete them, so we can revert if something goes wrong. |
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18:29:02 | * | domonoky sees the error... the are moved the changestatus().. *goes fixing* :-/ |
18:30:27 | CIA-9 | New commit by Domonoky (r24205): make sure reported themes are not moved in the private dir. |
18:32:08 | bertrik | I somehow remember the build system only starting a build round for changes in the actual rockbox firmware (not for the manual and not for rbutil changes), but I see my client is building nevertheless |
18:40:03 | kugel | it builds on any commit since the remake iiuc |
18:41:26 | domonoky | kugel: the report about the "Too Much Information-Terminal" theme is funny. the theme actually uses %cw instead of %cd so it has very short months :-) |
18:42:56 | CIA-9 | New commit by bertrik (r24206): Make a few global variables static instead of global where possible |
18:43:32 | kugel | that theme clearly catched the unique ubuntu terminal look :D |
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19:17:00 | pamaury | what is the "user:" field in lang files ? It's not described in the wiki. |
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19:21:49 | kugel | pamaury: it's planned for plugin localization |
19:22:16 | kugel | so, there could be strings with "user: bubbles" or the like in the future |
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19:41:41 | moronic44 | hi! anybody here..? |
19:42:21 | AlexP | yes |
19:42:27 | AlexP | If you have a question, just ask |
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19:43:25 | moronic44 | alright.. im a novice to ubuntu..and rockbox, and i was thinking of investing in an ipod and wondering which one works most superbly with rockbox? my first choice was an ipod touch/classic but it appears neither of those models work with rockbox or anything on linux really... |
19:44:07 | AlexP | linux/windows/whatever is irrelevent to Rockbox |
19:44:39 | AlexP | And if you really want an ipod, then any from 1st - 5.5 gen (video) are fine, or 1st (and semi- 2nd) gen nano |
19:45:08 | moronic44 | alrighty...thank you sir |
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19:45:15 | AlexP | But which player is best depends on your needs - storage/radio/recording/battery life/etc. etc. |
19:45:50 | AlexP | www.rockbox.org/wiki/BuyersGuide may help somewhat, but I've a feeling it is somewhat outdated |
19:46:02 | AlexP | oh, he left |
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20:13:18 | kugel | FlynDice: maybe we could add a micro delay after polling the core voltage before switching? |
20:14:17 | pamaury | gevaerts: new version of the patch for FS #10889, it includes translation, I hope I did it correctly (it seem to works for me). Also remove LOGF_ENABLE |
20:14:58 | kugel | do we need to translate debug-only stuff? |
20:15:11 | pamaury | this is a gui message |
20:15:15 | pamaury | so yes, I think |
20:15:54 | pamaury | But this can be discussed. It's just that it would be strange to have it in english only. |
20:16:04 | kugel | it seems a bit awkward to ask translators to translate a string that you should ideally never see and that is eventually disabled in normal builds |
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20:18:50 | kugel | isn't the debug menu also english only? |
20:19:08 | pamaury | Indeed but because then then is no problem in allowing it to be translated, no ? Don't know for the debug menu |
20:19:24 | pamaury | *-because -then +it's |
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20:24:36 | pamaury | Anyway, it's not definitive, we can change this, if you strongly oppose translation then insult me on FS #10889 ;) |
20:24:45 | kugel | pamaury: the problem is also that it increases language sizes even if disabled |
20:25:49 | bertrik | I noticed that for archos recorder a picUTreflow.link file is created (instead of a picTUreflow.link file) |
20:26:06 | bertrik | This is not intentional, is it? |
20:27:05 | pamaury | kugel: really ? |
20:27:23 | kugel | yes |
20:27:33 | pamaury | That logical in some way, much simpler this way |
20:27:58 | pamaury | Isn't there a #ifdef-like mechanism for lang files ? |
20:28:05 | pixelma | bertrik: where and what .link file? |
20:28:35 | gevaerts | pamaury: there is, but it's a bit problematic. It changes the string ids, which makes both lang files and voice files incompatible |
20:29:06 | bertrik | pixelma, in apps/plugins/pictureflow/pictureflow.make, line 22 |
20:29:48 | pamaury | Ah, indeed. And isn't it possible to set the string to none ? Is the id skipped in that case ? |
20:31:30 | bertrik | How about just using the "plugin returned error" splash? That one is already present so we don't need to add a new translation. Possibly we could show a number to differentiate between various plugin errors. |
20:32:51 | pamaury | That's a bit weird but why not |
20:33:28 | gevaerts | seems reasonable |
20:33:50 | kugel | that sounds ok indeed |
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20:36:00 | pamaury | So display somethong like "Plugin returned error xx". I'll come back in a minute with a new patch ;) |
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20:39:53 | pamaury | what is the difference between ID2P() and str() ? |
20:40:30 | bertrik | pixelma, oh, as far as I understand, this is just a intermediate file, the name does not really matter and it does not end up in the install zip |
20:41:42 | pamaury | do we display a number or a little text ? (#00 for example vs leak-file-handles ?). |
20:42:54 | kugel | pamaury: I think ID2P is for voicing |
20:42:59 | kugel | but I'm not sure |
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20:43:35 | munk | Hello. I would like to ask if there is any version of rockbox for Sansa Fuze v2? Are there any plans for supportins this device? |
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20:45:02 | pamaury | But ID2P is use also for strings in the code |
20:47:02 | bertrik | munk, no there is not a rockbox version for the fuze v2, and no plans that I'm aware of |
20:48:09 | pamaury | gevaerts: new version(5) of patch in FS ! I think well will succeed in commiting it before version 99 ;) |
20:49:22 | munk | thanks for the answer, bertrik |
20:52:46 | gevaerts | pamaury: looks good. There are two things that I might do differently, but I think they're more a matter of taste: I'd still go for a normal splash, and I'd put the MAX_OPEN_FILES test in config.h |
20:54:11 | pamaury | for MAX_OPEN_FILES I disagree because it's clearly implementation specific and thus has nothing to do with config.h. In could even depend on other things. You mean normal splash instead of yesno ? |
20:54:52 | pixelma | bertrik: I see. It still doesn't sound like intended but I don't know |
20:55:15 | gevaerts | yes |
20:55:32 | * | gevaerts said it was a matter of taste :) |
20:56:04 | * | pamaury don't like splash :) It not only my taste. If everyone prefer splash, I'll go for splash. |
20:56:35 | pamaury | (but if nobody complain I will go for yesno niark niark) |
20:58:59 | pixelma | speaking about pictureflow and "plugin returned error" reminds me of that weird bug in pictureflow I experienced and don't know if it is fixed yet. If there are no album art pictures at all, pictureflow exited after trying to build the album art cache with an error. I found that weird because you usually get a default picture showing a question mark for missing art - why should that not work if those would have to be used for all albums? |
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21:30:48 | soap | Torne, "fixed" or "workaround commited" re:10107? |
21:30:59 | soap | Did I miss a conversation on this? |
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21:58:26 | Unhelpful | amiconn: i'm not sure you'd need to invert the division loop "test" at all if you invert the numerator instead of the divisor... but i'm also not certain that it solves the problem of being able to shift out bits that are needed. i already have a framework for emulating adds with carry etc in C, i'll give it a try when i get a chance. |
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22:38:43 | B4gder | Rockbox talk at Fosdem 2010 more or less decided now |
22:44:29 | AlexP | In the linux section? :P |
22:44:48 | B4gder | hahaha |
22:45:32 | B4gder | there's an "embedded dev room" for which I'm aiming |
22:45:44 | AlexP | Seems more reasonable :) |
22:46:16 | B4gder | I think its already more or less accepted |
22:46:24 | AlexP | cool |
22:46:35 | B4gder | "already" being fosdem time schedule, I would otherwise say its rather late |
22:46:45 | AlexP | yeah, it is in Feb right? |
22:46:51 | B4gder | yes, feb 6-7 |
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22:51:23 | bertrik | I should go to FOSDEM |
22:51:35 | B4gder | yes! |
22:51:49 | B4gder | there will be rockbox silliness! |
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22:56:00 | shaika-dzari | hello everyone |
22:56:31 | shaika-dzari | Can I ask a question related to rockbox utility and sansa e200v2 ? |
22:56:33 | pixelma | B4gder: while you are here, could you check why the 5/6GB H10 links on the daily manuals page link to the 20GB H10 manual? As far as I remember those are separate manuals due to the different screen resolution, haven't checked if the former still builds though yet |
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23:00:55 | pixelma | shaika-dzari: don't ask to ask... |
23:01:37 | shaika-dzari | ok, I want to install rockbox on my sansa e200v2 with rockbox utility 1.2.3 |
23:02:01 | AlexP | I don't think rbutil release versions supports the v2 |
23:02:47 | AlexP | although I could well be wrong :) |
23:02:49 | shaika-dzari | With 1.2.3 I can select sansa e200v2 series (Unstable) |
23:02:54 | AlexP | ah, OK |
23:03:10 | AlexP | Then I was wrong :) |
23:03:11 | shaika-dzari | This is the first time I try to install rockbox |
23:03:57 | shaika-dzari | So, if I understand correctly, I should install the bootloader and rockbox in installation Tab. |
23:04:47 | AlexP | yep |
23:05:12 | pixelma | B4gder: the small H10 manual still builds locally |
23:05:17 | shaika-dzari | >Ok, I select default bootlaoder and current build of rockbox and it should be fine? |
23:05:23 | AlexP | yep |
23:05:37 | shaika-dzari | Ok, I try right now |
23:06:17 | Unhelpful | amiconn: i've gotten another cycle off of the large-numerator handling. i think that what i'm doing now is likely as cheap as inverting the numerator, if that would work... it costs only 4c from the small-numerator case, one to unconditionally save the old numerator (with flag set), one to shift the numerator right if that save has a negative result, one for an asr one on the stored numerator, and one for a bmi to the fixup code. the same |
23:06:17 | Unhelpful | asr 1 also puts the bit that was lost into C, and the fixup can avoid other flag-setting ops until it needs that bit. |
23:06:48 | shaika-dzari | he, 300 mo free space should be enought for rockbox? |
23:07:03 | AlexP | loads |
23:07:28 | AlexP | Rockbox is about 10/15 MB if you include all the fonts etc., less without |
23:07:40 | Unhelpful | here's the code as it is now: http://paste.pocoo.org/show/163805/ |
23:07:45 | AlexP | Incidently, install the fonts too :) |
23:12:27 | shaika-dzari | cool, installation done. |
23:12:52 | shaika-dzari | I'll umount my player and try to boot. |
23:12:58 | B4gder | pixelma: I don't even understand how the builds are done these days... :-O |
23:14:40 | Unhelpful | it probably still loses on beast. the shifted operand in the divide loop causes a 1c interlock, and i'm not certain but it may do so even if the subcc is skipped... so we're as slow as the libgcc divider inside the main loop, and have extra fixup. |
23:16:33 | shaika-dzari | wow, work great! Thanks AlexP! |
23:16:43 | AlexP | shaika-dzari: No worries, enjoy :) |
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23:19:17 | pixelma | B4gder: a pity. I thought it was some symlink problem on the server or so |
23:19:58 | pixelma | maybe something to do with the target rename |
23:23:28 | B4gder | oh I think I found it |
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23:28:12 | CIA-9 | New commit by mc2739 (r24208): iriver H10 5GB has it's own manual |
23:29:14 | B4gder | haha, 10 seconds before I tried to commit that fix ;-) |
23:29:46 | mc2739_ | too slow :) |
23:29:55 | * | B4gder hangs head |
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23:34:50 | pamaury | I have a question: I've just built a e200 simulator and I found that the screen lacks brightness, nearly difficult to read. Am I the only one to complain about that ? |
23:35:02 | AlexP | pamaury: yep :) |
23:36:13 | pamaury | :( That's really strange |
23:36:24 | AlexP | pamaury: I'm just building a current one to see |
23:36:33 | pixelma | B4gder, mc2739: thanks to both of you ;) :) |
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23:39:43 | amiconn | Weird poweroff method... |
23:40:01 | AlexP | pamaury: Seems OK here |
23:41:21 | pamaury | Perhaps I'm just used to backlight on my device and it seems weird to :) |
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23:42:31 | AlexP | pamaury: It isn't blindingly bright, but not dim either |
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23:43:15 | pamaury | Yes it's between. I prefer my real device for sure ;) |
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23:45:11 | mc2739 | pamaury, AlexP: It is dimmer than it used to be |
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23:46:27 | AlexP | Why do all the lang files have the same line "# $Id: portugues.lang 23888 2009-12-07 13:53:55Z zagor $" with everything identical except the language name? |
23:52:52 | bluebrot1er | perhaps all of them were changed in r23888? |
23:53:25 | bluebrot1er | or someone copied the string and adjusted the filename and svn:keywords isn't set. |
23:55:00 | AlexP | bluebrot1er: I'm assuming the latter, as lang files are updated periodically |
23:55:18 | AlexP | So for a new one, I'll set keywords and delete that line |
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23:55:24 | AlexP | I guess :) |
23:55:34 | * | bluebrother is about to check it |
23:55:40 | AlexP | cheers :) |
23:55:59 | bluebrother | all lang files show r24208 as last changed revision here. |
23:56:37 | AlexP | Which is current svn |
23:57:00 | AlexP | Which didn't touch lang files |
23:57:08 | bluebrother | the last change is "Corrected ondio language wildcards." Seems like a good commit to touch all lang files |
23:57:31 | AlexP | ah, good point |
23:57:53 | AlexP | I'm looking at the slovak.lang on flyspray |
23:58:11 | AlexP | Which looks to have been based on a previous one |
23:58:29 | AlexP | So for that, I delete that line from the file and set keywords |
23:58:33 | bluebrother | hmm, svn info returns the latest revision, not the last revision that touched the file. Good to know. |
23:58:36 | AlexP | bluebrother: What rev was that? |
23:58:49 | bluebrother | r23888 |
23:58:58 | AlexP | So that makes sense then :) |