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#rockbox log for 2010-01-12

00:00:30pamauryYou mean, no redirecting file I/O to OS I/O ?
00:01:57pamauryThat's possible I guess but then i would be more difficult too access the simulator disk content
00:02:11B4gderyeah, but it'd be much easier to debug rockbox fat code
00:02:13Hillshumon Linux just loopback mount
00:02:22Hillshummake it a compile-time option?
00:02:27pamauryis rockbox fat code buggy ?
00:02:35B4gdernot that I know
00:02:48pamaurythen why debug it ?
00:02:54B4gderbut it's still a pain to work with, since it doesn't run in the sim and making mistakes are hard to find
00:03:30*JdGordon| wispers something about making the sim a real target
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00:03:45B4gderit still wouldn't be "real" though
00:04:26JdGordon|almost real, it could still use all the drivers, just load a file for the storage like you want
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00:05:24pamauryIf I manage to have a working usb driver for the simulator, we would end up with a simulator being able to do FAT and USB ;) A nice way to test lots of things much more easily than on a real device.
00:06:53Unhelpfulwe should support using qemu to emulate target instructions in the sim as well, then ;)
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00:24:04pamaurygevaerts: does the usb core do send AND receive on the same endpoint EP_CONTROL (I mean, it makes no distinction between IN endpoint and OUT endpoint ?) ?
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00:33:25gevaertspamaury: that all depends on precisely what you mean by that...
00:34:34pamauryWell, normally a driver does usb_drv_send on IN endpoint andusb_drv_recv on OUT endpoint but does the core does that for EP_CONTROL or does it (as I suspect) it uses EP_CONTROL regardless of IN/OUT ?
00:39:26*gevaerts tries to think of a clear answer
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00:41:28gevaertsI'd say it's a bit of both. The way the datastructures are set up mean that IN and OUT use e.g. separate completion events, but it's obviously always EP0
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00:42:45*pamaury is getting insane because of tricky bug !
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00:50:24liargevaerts: i've found the bug in the nano2g usb driver. you where right the chip cant handle ptr==NULL in usb_drv_recv. but it handles ptr==NULL in usb_drv_send properly(and it is needed)
00:52:14liarthanks for the help
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01:01:39gevaertsliar: excellent!
01:04:58Strife89DSThat reminds me.....
01:05:27Strife89DSgevaerts: Question: Do you know what the status is for the iPod USB code?
01:06:03Strife89DSI haven't read anything definitive.
01:07:04*Strife89DS is refering to file transfers, not HID or charging.
01:11:04*gevaerts isn't sure what Strife89DS is referring to
01:11:42Strife89DSgevaerts: Hang on, let me move to my laptop.
01:12:29liari've added a patch to FS #10894
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01:14:57Strife89gevaerts: I'm referring to the ... state ... of the USB stack for the iPod Color, mainly.
01:15:28Strife89Sorry for being ignorant, but I'm not sure how else to phrase it. :/
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01:18:16*gevaerts really can't think of any proper reply to such vague questions :(
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01:18:58Strife89gevaerts: Maybe if I explain *why* I'm asking.
01:19:50Strife89gevaerts: The gist of it is that any and all file transfers go absurdly slow when running Rockbox; this doesn't happen with the OF.
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01:20:31HillshumIsn't that a DMA thing?
01:21:54liaris that because of the 32 byte limit(usb_serial.c line 160)?
01:21:54gevaertswhat does "absurdly slow" mean? Three times slower? Thirty?
01:22:07Strife89Windows always seems to stall a little when I start anything that involves accessing the iPod's disk.
01:22:25Strife89gevaerts: Roughly 120 KB/s, if I recall correctly.
01:22:31Strife89Both directions.
01:23:24Strife89And as stated, if I try to access something and Rockbox needs to spin up the disk, Windows Explorer stalls for about 10-30 seconds.
01:23:51HillshumDoes the OF keep the disk spinning?
01:23:54gevaertshm, you probably suffer from the remaining issues then. I have no idea at all what's causing them
01:24:10Strife89Hillshum: I don't believe it does.
01:24:28Strife89I remembered the transfer rate COMPLETELY wrong, though.
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01:24:51gevaertsliar: unrelated. usb_serial has that becaus it doesn't boost, which the arc driver doesn't really like
01:24:55Strife89Currently copying a video from the iPod. Speed is 2.45 MB/s.
01:25:08Dhraakellianwould it be possible to do custom, per-file progressbars in a wps?
01:25:32gevaertsStrife89: that sounds more like ata limitations then
01:26:27Dhraakelliannow that Amarok 2.2.2 has moodbar support again, I wouldn't mind having rockbox moodbar support too
01:26:44*Dhraakellian would also have to figure out how to export .mood files to .bmp
01:27:08Strife89gevaerts: Currently I'm using r24210.
01:28:38Strife89According to the debug information, "spinup time" is 2100ms. I assume that's normal?
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01:30:49Dhraakellianpressing select when plugging an iPod into USB should keep it from going into any sort of USB mode/reboot and make it just charge, right?
01:31:09Dhraakellian(5G, 30GB iPod Video, Rockbox 3.4)
01:31:37Dhraakellian(and I'm not disloyal to my beloved Sansas! Really! I didn't choose what Woot would put in my Christmas BoC!)
01:33:31heftigDhraakellian: hold down menu while plugging in the cable
01:34:17Dhraakellianheftig: ! thanks
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01:34:37Dhraakellianwonder why I didn't think to try a different key from what the Sansas use
01:35:23Dhraakellianand is the iPod supposed to reboot for USB transfers?
01:35:38Dhraakellianor is that just a mimic screen?
01:35:51*Dhraakellian isn't familiar enough with the look of the iPod OF to really know
01:36:14heftiga simple black-on-white screen is the built-in firmware
01:37:16heftigrecent rockbox builds shouldn't reboot, they have their own disk mode
01:37:26DhraakellianI installed with rbutil
01:37:36Dhraakellianand I *thought* I used the latest version
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01:38:17heftig3.4 is the latest release, with "recent builds" i meant development builds from SVN
01:38:18DhraakellianSystem > Rockbox Info says I have 3.4
01:38:51DhraakellianI was under the impression that the 5G iPods had been handling their own USB for longer than that
01:40:45heftigthey had initial usb support (charging only) since rockbox 3.0
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01:47:26*Strife89 was under the impression that not all the iPods will actually *charge*.
01:47:51DhraakellianSansa user inferiority complex, perhaps
01:48:04Dhraakellianeven though we know our DAPs are better in most ways
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01:54:19liaranyone around who gets usb stkov panics with his nano2g and rockbox?
01:54:55S_a_i_n_tnot regularly, or not in any way I can reproduce...but yes.
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01:56:47liarS_a_i_n_t: would be interessting if my patch at FS #10894 fixes these stkov's too
01:59:23S_a_i_n_tliar: was it you I made that font&wps for?
02:01:09S_a_i_n_tif it was, ANY feedback on the WPs would be appreciated...I haven't really gotten any feedback other than 'thanks' or 'it's cool', nothing I can really use for improvement.
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02:05:00liarS_a_i_n_t: yeah, you changed that after my comment to it :). but i had no time to try it out yet, sry.
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02:14:40*flyback is about ready to give up on a flash mod of this irvier h10 he got off ebay and just replace the mechanical hd in it
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02:19:48stripwaxsaratoga - I think I figured out how the Tremor imdct handles the twiddle factors for post-rotation - it's the goofball logic in mdct_backward that does the 'linear interpolation between table values'. At least, I think so. i.e. for N=4096, then shift=1, so step=4 - then later on step>>=2 (so, step=1) , and we go into that linear interpolation case. For N=8192, we do the second linear interpolation case.
02:20:51stripwaxi.e. the Tremor trig tables are *not* accurate! for largest block sizes. Admittedly, the difference between the correct sin/cos values at these intermediate points and the linearly-interpolated sin/cos values is probably very small, especially given that this is a final step in the calculation (not like any error can propagate from that point onward)
02:20:57S_a_i_n_tliar: I didn't change the font on the version that's on the theme site, that still uses Nimbus 12. You can feel special if you want, that version of the WPS, and the font that came with it was just for you, since you'd helped me with other things in the past. I didn't even keep a copy of that font for myself lol, you'll be the only one who has it :P
02:21:54stripwaxI've made a spreadsheet (!!) that calculates a 64-point MDCT and IMDCT (once directly via N^2 expression, and once indirectly via N/4-size IFFT). I'll add it to the wiki...
02:25:52stripwaxThat's how they get around the memory overhead for the twiddle factors (so, in fact, they DO do exactly that reusing-trick that I tried and I think eventually convinced you about; but there's more to it because even using that trick the table isn't big enough, they need to interpolate to fill the missing twiddles)
02:27:53stripwaxIt just so happens for the most common blocksizes (2048 and smaller), they don't need to interpolate. so the twiddle table is really optimised for 2048, essentially.
02:29:06stripwaxKinda sneaky. Actually it's optimised for N=1024, and N=2048, I guess. Those two cases run out of sincos_lookup0 and sincos_lookup1 respectively, with step=2 in both case, so no skipping, no interpolation, and no random memory access (sequential only)
02:30:14stripwaxgetting fastermdct to do the same shouldn't be hard (question will be of course whether it's worth it. putting trig in iconst and using sequential loads should improve current situation but i wonder by how much)
02:30:33stripwaxanyway, thought you'd like to know .. gnight
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02:53:08Dhraakellianhmm... the rockbox-info.txt file from the r24214 has "Target: mrobe500" as the first line
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03:00:17saratogathe logs for those respective builds look ok, so its probably something wrong with the download server's renaming
03:05:02Dhraakellian"Olympus M-Robe 500 r24213"
03:05:11Dhraakellianwhen everything else is r24214
03:05:26Dhraakellianso yeah...
03:05:52saratogamaybe if the upload fails it somehow puts teh wrong file up
03:06:51Dhraakellianhmm... so should I wait for r24215 or just dust off the buildsystem on my computer that I haven't used since my Fuze Sudoku keymap patches were accepted?
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03:14:20Dhraakellian32MB memory size for the 5G, 30GB iPod Video?
03:14:47Dhraakellianand a "make clean" to clear out the fuze stuff before I build?
03:15:01saratogasounds about right
03:15:42saratogaheh PMed a user suggesting that new ports wasn't the right place to ask about album art in rockbox, count down to furious reply
03:18:41Dhraakellianit's sad that my Sansa View has just as big a screen as (and nicer controls than) the iPod Video, but I'll probably get more use out of the latter due to Rockbox. (Darn you, Woot Bags o' Crap, for your cruel sense of humor!)
03:20:29saratogawork on the View port!
03:20:59Dhraakellianis it to the point where they need testers and bug reporters yet?
03:21:11Dhraakellian'cause low-level C ain't my thing
03:21:20krazykitmake it your thing!
03:22:28saratogai think its at the "blinks the LED" stage
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03:31:42*JdGordon1 wants to put goto's into the file driver and feels dirty
03:33:57saratogawe use them in codecs
03:34:44JdGordon1I know... but I tihnk ive got my entire coding career without ever writing a goto :)
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03:34:55JdGordon1apart from basic
03:36:09leafwizhi, I'm using rockbox 3.4 on my iPod 5g. I tried to register on the forum, but there was an error with the registraton form. I have a problem playing some flac's. I have a Tool album ripped in 3031 - bit / 30 464 kHz, and it skips while playing. like there's a problem with 100% CPU usage.
03:36:37leafwizBut all other flac is good
03:37:39Dhraakelliandoes reencoding the files fix anything?
03:39:05leafwizHmm.. Haven't tried that. It will probably fix it. All "normal" encoded flac's play. The flac files also play without error on a computer.
03:39:48saratogahow is that file different exactly?
03:41:08leafwizThe datastream, the tool album is encoded in 3031-bit/30464 hHz
03:41:18saratogawhat does that mean?
03:42:21scorcheleafwiz: what error with the registration form?
03:43:35leafwizUmm.. Sorry. Bitrate is 3031, and the frequency is 30464. Like my NiN album is encoded in 839bits/s and 44 100kHz sampeling rate.
03:44:12saratogaleafwiz: those values don't make sense for that, are you sure thats what they represent?
03:48:12leafwizOkay, I open the file in VLC. It tells me that it's encoded in 24bit / 96kHz. It has a input bitrate of ~2730 kbits / s Sorry, I mangled the numbers a bit.
03:48:57beta2kleafwiz: What kind of file is this? 24bit/96khz is used in recording :)
03:49:04saratogahuh that should play although at reduced quality
03:49:11saratogacan you upload a piece of it somewhere?
03:49:36Dhraakellianbeta2k: it's often used for vinyl rips
03:49:38JdGordon1anyone got a e200/fuze handy? is the microSD slot <microSD1> ?
03:49:50DhraakellianJdGordon1: gimme a sec
03:49:58DhraakellianJdGordon1: yes
03:50:00leafwizYeah, sure. 2sec. (++ :P ) (yeah, it's a vinyl rip of Tool - Ænima
03:50:15JdGordon1Dhraakellian: ta
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03:50:37*Dhraakellian wonders if it'd be possible to use the volume ID
03:50:47beta2kDhraakellian: Just emphasizing that's a relativly high bit depth and sample rate :)
03:50:51saratogathats a pretty silly setting to use for such a rip, the source can't even do 48k/16 bit
03:50:59saratogabut it should still decode in rockbox
03:51:10saratogaunless you're using a ton of DSP or EQ maybe?
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03:52:31beta2ksaratoga: I can see doing that for a vinyl rip, rip high to catch as much as possible then down-sample it
03:52:50*JdGordon1 decides open_internal() isnt really suited to unionFS at all and gives up
03:52:54JdGordon1... for now
03:53:03saratogaunless your equipment is buggy thats not really any better then just recording it properly in the first place
03:53:25saratogais unionfs different then what i was thinking of?
03:53:39beta2kWell vinyl is kinda buggy :)
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03:54:42leafwizThe album is a high quality rip by a dude with qutie a good gig.. :P
03:54:49leafwiz(or rig?
03:55:56leafwizI'm uploading the file to my server now. It's large, and I don't know how to splice it.
03:55:58Unhelpfulsaratoga: i've had issues with 24-bit material in PC players that use ffmpeg - and this was before the rice2 stuff in flac, too.
03:58:48leafwizMy theory is the file has too high bitrate for the iPod cpu to decode. But then the iPod 5g is supposed to decode video
04:00:34Unhelpfulleafwiz: the CPU doesn't decode video.
04:01:05leafwizCool, it has it's own ic ?
04:01:35leafwizCan you use that for other things as well?
04:01:41saratogaflac is like the fastest format on earth, i doubt its a CPU issue
04:01:47saratogaunless you're using some weird settings
04:01:50saratogain rockbox
04:02:00leafwizNo. It's a plain 3.4 install
04:02:17saratogano DSP at all?
04:02:37JdGordonsaratoga: I'm using unionfs as a generic name for what we are trying to do
04:02:51saratogaah ok
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04:04:43Unhelpfulleafwiz: i believe the "dedicated" video decoder is some sort of DSP... but in any case we have no real documentation.
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04:07:18leafwizOkay. I have read that the Dig2Analog is quite good in the iPod, and that the head-phone amp decreases the output quality. So you can send it in and have resolderd so the converter is directly conneced to the aux output.
04:08:09leafwizBut you need an external amp then. and a aux2jac plug.
04:08:25leafwizAnyone else heard of that?
04:08:33Unhelpfuland this has what, exactly, to do with using rockbox on it?
04:09:23leafwizLike I use rockbox to get flac. so flac+rockbox+resolderd ipod + external amp == good times.. :)
04:09:53saratogaso basically nothing
04:10:16krazykitit sounds so shiny!
04:10:35leafwizWell, it's a good incetinve to use rockbox. PR
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04:18:20leafwizIt's uploaded.
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04:20:55leafwizOn my iPod, it lags a bit each ~10 sec
04:22:40UnhelpfulJdGordon: what exactly do you mean to use unionfs for? sd-over-internal?
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04:33:14leafwizShould I file a bug report?
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04:42:40saratogaleafwiz: it decodes fine for me
04:43:28saratogai'd try resetting your settings in rockbox and see if that makes a difference
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04:50:01leafwizsaratoga: All'right. all is good :) thx.
04:50:52leafwizMy mistake then. I thought the old settings from a earlier version was deleted when I upgraded to 3.4
04:55:10leafwizKeep up the good work!
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05:29:27webguest20I know rockbox can play real files. Does that include .rmvb?
05:34:22saratogadepends whats in them
05:42:07webguest20It will not play the audio out of it?
05:42:15webguest20that's all I want
05:42:20saratogait won't play the video
05:42:27saratogathe audio depends on whats in it
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05:42:48webguest20How do I know what's in it?
05:43:06saratogai don't know
05:43:22saratogareal's software can probably check but i've never used it
05:43:35saratogacook, atrac and aac should play
05:43:58webguest20so do I just try and see?
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05:45:19webguest20could it be that some parts it will and some it won't play? Is that possible?
05:45:28GodEaterit won't hurt to try
05:45:55webguest20it doesn't matter that it's brazillian, does it?
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05:50:16JdGordonUnhelpful: yeah
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05:59:33JdGordonis anyone interested in the WPS playlist viewer patch?
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06:09:16S_a_i_n_tJdGordon: yes, I am, well...I don't see any reason to *not* commit it. If people want to use it, great, if they don't, they won't.You're not forcing it upon anyone...
06:09:38JdGordonI want help deciding just how far to take it
06:10:10S_a_i_n_twhat do you mean?
06:11:01JdGordonwhich skin tokens to add support for, scrolling in the line?, how to show the current track?
06:11:06S_a_i_n_tI mean, it's functional at the moment. what else would you like to do with it?
06:11:10JdGordondo i bother with the offset
06:11:19JdGordonits proof of concept currently
06:11:29S_a_i_n_tI'd like to see the previous track *myself*
06:11:56JdGordonsame, but im having difficulties there
06:12:42S_a_i_n_tI could see how it'd be hard to code...for now, if it's too hard, then leave it...but I'd like to see it in the 'alpha' of the patch
06:12:46JdGordonThe way I see it being used would be to have 2 seperate lists in a WPS... going down the screen the first would show the previous X tracks, then use the regular skins to show the current and next tracks, then a 2nd one showing the upcoming tracks
06:13:08JdGordonthe thing is the hard part is done... all that is left is deciding how much to add
06:13:12JdGordonwhich skin tokens to add support for
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06:13:33JdGordondecide how much flexibility to add for the text (alignment, scrolling, etc)
06:13:51S_a_i_n_tdefinitely scrolling.
06:14:00JdGordonI tihnk it would be cool to allow a part to be static and the rest of the line scroll
06:14:10JdGordonmaybe only part of the rest of the line scroll
06:14:20JdGordonthe first is MUCH simpler to implement
06:14:31JdGordonscrolling the whole line is even easier again
06:14:43S_a_i_n_twell, you'd need to be able to see the whole line...and some track names are quite long.
06:14:54S_a_i_n_tare you showing track numbers as well?
06:15:51JdGordonthe way I'd do it is have "<playlist number>. " static and then "track name - time" scrolling
06:16:09JdGordonor go all out and have the track time being static also
06:16:39JdGordonthat gets very difficult though because we have to start adding sub viewports
06:17:02S_a_i_n_tyou'd want the track time at the end though right?
06:17:17S_a_i_n_tjust scroll the whole line after the playlist number
06:17:27S_a_i_n_tprobably easiest way to do it
06:17:52S_a_i_n_tbut playlist number should be static, I agree with that
06:18:20JdGordonthe point is other people might want something completly different, so I want to add the most amount of flexibility that makes sense
06:19:32S_a_i_n_ttrue, but then it gets REALLY complicated. Isn't it better to say "here it is, if you like it, use it", "if you don;t, here's how you can change it"
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06:19:52*JdGordon is also doing this partly for the challenge :)
06:20:19JdGordonThe scroll engine is getting in the way, so maybe the best thing is to scroll the rest of the line once a %s is found
06:20:53JdGordonactually... haha you have entire control if you put a few of these side by side!
06:21:17S_a_i_n_tyou couldn;t have any dynamic info in it then...but there isn't any in a playlist. so that's ok...
06:21:25JdGordonone for the playlist number, one for the scrolling text, one for the time display
06:21:52S_a_i_n_tlike, 3 seperate viewports you mean?
06:21:54*JdGordon goes the easy route and does all or none scrolling
06:22:29S_a_i_n_tyeah, that's probably the best/most customisable way to do it...that way end user can define their own ordering.
06:23:31S_a_i_n_tI'd definately like scrolling the only DAP's I have rockboxed are all Nano's hehe (only 176X132 to play with :P
06:23:42JdGordonoh FFS.... %s isnt handled like a real token
06:24:22S_a_i_n_tbugger, that complicates things.
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06:25:53S_a_i_n_tI find it *REALLY* hard to believe that you & I are the only ones interested in this.....I feel kinda bad 'cos I can't really offer you anything other than suggestion. I'd like to be able to help more, in areas which I can.
06:26:21*JdGordon gets around that problem :)
06:26:34JdGordonwhich tokens does it make sense to support?
06:27:07JdGordonright now I;ve got: playlist position, file path, artist, title, track length
06:27:20JdGordonas well as obviously free text
06:28:40S_a_i_n_tyou don;t *really* need track lenght, as I'd say that most wps's are gonna have that displayed anyway
06:29:38JdGordonnot for upcoming tracks
06:29:45JdGordonor past!
06:29:50S_a_i_n_tahhhh, good point :D
06:29:58JdGordon(ignoring the fact that I cant get the past tracks metadata just yet)'ll dpo it :P
06:30:51JdGordonrating is difficult... I dont want to add support for conditionals
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06:32:50S_a_i_n_toh..ok. right, I'm looking through my tag list now for suggestions.
06:32:50S_a_i_n_tit'll need to be RTL compatible no?
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06:32:56S_a_i_n_tdisc number?
06:33:57S_a_i_n_tfile size?
06:34:11S_a_i_n_taverage bitrate?
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06:34:35JdGordonnot really, maybe, maybe, maybe, really?, na
06:34:53JdGordonall that maybe in the next version
06:35:27S_a_i_n_t%pc ?
06:35:43S_a_i_n_tso you can have 1 of X in playlist.
06:36:32S_a_i_n_t%rp? I'd find that useful personally.
06:37:09JdGordonthere is very little point having static info availble.. (pc)
06:37:15JdGordonyeah, playcount maybe
06:38:50S_a_i_n_tit'd be good if it supported all the alignment tags...but not essential.
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06:39:50S_a_i_n_tthat way (if alignment tags are supported), you can give it RTL support by proxy with the %ax tag.
06:40:19*S_a_i_n_t is getting ambitious :D
06:40:53JdGordonthe line isnt being split up like in the real displayer so its full line alignemnt only
06:41:07S_a_i_n_tI see this going quite far...I'll be bloody dissappointed if it doesn't. but probably not as much as you would be.
06:41:29S_a_i_n_tOh, I see.
06:42:14JdGordonhmm... having all the lines scroll looks like crap
06:42:53S_a_i_n_tmaybe just scroll the currently selected/playing track?
06:44:24S_a_i_n_tand if you added support for %St , anyone could add whatever the hell setting they wanted.
06:44:49JdGordonthe 3 seperate lists idea worked!
06:45:14S_a_i_n_tthat honestly was GENIUS man, seriously
06:45:33S_a_i_n_twhen you thought of it, I was just like....duh *slaps forehead*!
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06:48:39S_a_i_n_teven as a rough job, that looks good.
06:49:53S_a_i_n_tso that pic is 3 viewports with playlist pos, track name, etc. ...?
06:50:16S_a_i_n_tone set of info per viewport?
06:51:15S_a_i_n_tthat seems to be the easiest way to do it off the top of my head, and as well as that, it also adds the most ammount of customisability (sp?) as well..
06:54:25JdGordonlooks so much better without scrolling
06:54:57S_a_i_n_tbut it'll still *support* scrolling right?
06:55:41S_a_i_n_totherwise it won't fit on small screens right, and I *really* wanna use this :P
06:56:39S_a_i_n_tdoes it not display the other times because they aren't buffered yet?
06:57:40JdGordonand yes
06:57:59S_a_i_n_tah, I see, no way around that is there?
06:58:15JdGordonnope, and reading them is a definite NODO
06:58:56S_a_i_n_twouldn't even be possible would it? to buffer the whole playlist...unless it was really small.
06:59:05JdGordonit would be possible
06:59:13JdGordonread each one individually
06:59:28S_a_i_n_tjust no buffer left for anything else :P
06:59:53*JdGordon needs to add the start offset and i tihnk its good enough for a first go
06:59:59S_a_i_n_tI assume it'd take quite a lot of effort on the players part to do so.
07:01:46S_a_i_n_tI'm not sure who it was that was so against the offset to show previous tracks...but I'm glad you didn't listen to them. It's one of the cooler features of this particular piece of code.
07:01:53S_a_i_n_tor it will be rather.
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07:32:52S_a_i_n_tmultiline? as in alternating sublines?
07:34:05JdGordonno, as in, each track can be more than one line in the display
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08:03:01S_a_i_n_tJdGordon: Wouldn't that get confusing?
08:03:29S_a_i_n_tI guess I'd have to see an example, but I can imagine it confusing me at least...
08:03:57JdGordonit might be
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08:04:46S_a_i_n_tIt completely depends on how long the track name was, and where it got split. if it was midway through a word,,,it'd look kinda weird
08:05:08S_a_i_n_tand it'd be hard (if not impossible) to make sure that it didn't split any words in half.
08:05:15JdGordonno... it wouldnt be an automatic split.. you would put a line break into the text to show
08:06:06S_a_i_n_tOh right, I get it now. that makes more sense. I probably wouldn't use it myself (I'd prefer scrolling lines) but support for it would be good.
08:06:29S_a_i_n_tmore user customisation, the better. Unless it gets excessively complicated :D
08:07:15JdGordonhaving every line in the list scroll looks crap
08:08:29S_a_i_n_tI'd like it if only the current track scrolled myself.
08:09:53S_a_i_n_tanyway, how could you put a line break into a track title? what if that were too long for the screen? it'd have to scroll wouldn't it?
08:11:14JdGordonyou couldnt
08:11:29JdGordonand yeah same.. but thinking about it.. it doesnt make sense to use this for the current track
08:11:42JdGordonor you could acomplish the same thing with clever tricks like I showed before
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08:14:50S_a_i_n_tI'm sorry if any of my suggestions have thrown you off track, is it seriously just you and I interested in this? I find it really odd that nooone else has posted...anything, like not one thing about it during this discussion.
08:14:56S_a_i_n_tI think it's a GREAT idea.
08:15:13`AssassinInterested in what?
08:15:28JdGordonno idea
08:18:58S_a_i_n_tcheck the forums, wps section, JdGordon's new toy (wps playlist widget). have a look at it, comment :-D
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08:30:28Dark_ApostropheHas anyone seen linuxstb? Or anyone else who might know how to de-brick a Cowon D2? (Not running Rockbox, though. some googling found that linuxstb might know how)
08:33:42Dark_Apostrophenvm, it just came back to life... seemingly entirely randomly. :/
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08:56:28Falco98evening all
08:56:45*S_a_i_n_t nods
08:57:17*Bagder has all morning
08:57:52Falco98would anyone in here be willing or able to reopen fs# 10905 for me? i'm probably going to have a patch soon
08:58:11Falco98(i accidentally opened it like a feature request instead of waiting til i had a patch ready, my bad)
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09:22:34pixelma_diablo: as far as I know it automatically reboots into the OF when you plug in USB
09:22:37_diablopixelma: S_a_i_n_t: it looks like it tries to boot into mtp and therefore crashes seeing as I'm on linux
09:23:11topikhold down 'left' while you turn it on
09:23:15_diabloalthough I can connect it, then disconnect half way though, and quicky reconnect it in order to boot it into the original firmware and then change it back to msc to boot up.
09:24:08_diablotopik: thanks! that works well!
09:24:11_diabloproblem solved.
09:25:27pixelmaS_a_i_n_t: I believe Rockbox doesn't have USB yet on the Fuze so...
09:26:09topikOF is the only way to add content
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10:14:18Falco98fs# 10905
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11:19:43AlexPFalco98: Just post a new one
11:19:51AlexPIt'll likely be less confusing
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12:24:09S_a_i_n_tthis line "MAKE_MENU(root_menu_, ID2P(LANG_ROCKBOX_TITLE), item_callback, Icon_Rockbox," in root_menu.c draws the Title 'Rockbox' in the main menu, correct? How do I have to change this to leave this line blank in the menu instead? ie. remove the 'Rockbox' menu title.
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17:33:54BRi7Xhello folks... quick quick quick question before i have to catch a train... does AC3 play on rockbox?
17:34:38_diabloBRi7X: I think so, but check the page
17:34:41_diabloor that :)
17:34:52TorneAll supported formats are in the manual
17:35:14BRi7Xthank you :)
17:35:34BRi7Xi mean like... obviously my gigabeat doesn't have a 5.1 output, but will it downmix it to 2.0?
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17:39:50UnhelpfulBRi7X: i'm fairly sure it is downmixed. i don't think we support any tagging on ac3, if you care about that
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17:47:08TorneThe manual also says that it downmixes to 2.0
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18:06:47JdGordoncan only registered users view the feature requests threads?
18:09:04Torneon the forums?
18:10:52JdGordonapparently not... i got a mangled link for some reaosn
18:10:56Torneeverything seems visible if i log out
18:11:00Torneexcept the mod stuff
18:15:15FlynDiceIf anyone has an objection on disabling voltage scaling for the Sansa AMS's would you please voice your opinion. We are having uSD issues again for some cards/players and the runtime increase of ~30 mins doesn't seem worth it to me.
18:17:28FlynDiceIf noone objects I'll #ifdef the voltage scaling code later tonight so it's still in place but not used
18:18:16gevaertsFlynDice: I'd hope that nobody would prefer 30 minutes extra runtime over things not working...
18:19:01bertrikI still don't quite understand how scaling the CPU voltage affects SD cards, they work at different voltages
18:19:19FlynDiceyes, but it works for the majorityfor the most part. Mostly certain cards or specific players
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18:20:57FlynDicebertrik: I don't understand that either. That's why I think it must be the way the switching is happenin
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18:32:50webguest12hi, the current build for the ipod video 30GB seems to be a mrobe 500 build ( )
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18:37:08*pamaury_ wonders why usb_core_transfer_complete don't call the corresponding tc of usbserial...damn
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19:19:25pamaury_does someone know if the simulator also simulate cooperative threading or is it native threading ?
19:20:21JdGordon|uisimulatr/common/kernel.c (or whatever the file is)
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19:21:47pamauryDecrypted text: see by yourself ;)
19:23:18Falco98hey JdGordon, you still here?
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19:27:11_zichi all
19:27:58_zicI just finished translating rbutil in russian, where should I put the translation file ?
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19:28:12JdGordon|on the patch tracker
19:31:35Falco98Jd, think you could reopen my patch on FS, so i can actually upload the patch i made? O:-)
19:32:14JdGordon|just create a new one.... or you need to wait an hour or so
19:32:28bertrikI can open it
19:34:02bertrikFalco98, the task has been re-opened
19:35:08Falco98patch is posted.
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19:38:19*pamaury doesn't understand how the simulator works at the thread level
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19:40:02_zicok, I just posted something on flyspray for the first time =)
19:43:47pamauryIs tagcache working in simulator ? The tagcache build seem to get stuck. Isn't it a FS also ?
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19:45:55JdGordon|ive some some luck with tagcache on the sim...
19:46:00JdGordon|there is no reason it shuoldnt work
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20:00:02pamauryI suspect there are synchronization issues in the simulator at the usb level. Are queue_* functions really safe under the simulator, I mean can there be synchronization problems ?
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20:11:51pamauryNo definitely, I'm fuckingly stupid. Why the hell are there DIR_IN and USB_DIR_IN ? That's an easily made mistake !
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20:17:10GodEaterdo any of us that actually regularly look after the forums own a D2?
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20:19:16*pamaury has usb bulk transfers working on simulator !!!
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20:58:27CIA-9New commit by Domonoky (r24215): correctly move themefiles when status changes.
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21:28:39*pamaury has working bulk and interrupt transfers (except that there are few tricky details) !
21:33:34domonokywhich is target is this ?
21:34:08pamaurysimulator ;)
21:34:19_diablodoes anyone here want a gWave or gVoice invite?
21:35:09domonokycool.. so the simulator registers as a usb device ?
21:35:40domonokynow try HID :-)
21:36:31gevaertspamaury: well done!
21:36:49gevaerts_diablo: please stay on topic
21:37:05_diablogevaerts: sorry, I was trying to be nice :/
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21:37:45pamauryYes it uses a library to fake a usb ok and then registers as a usb device. I have working control/bulk/interrupts transfers. usbserial works, HId works but only with remotecontrol plugin. I don't know why it don't work in normal mode.
21:39:17pamauryI only have a problem with interrupt transfers: it seems that at the beginning the host sends two interrupt transfers on the raw in the same endpoint. If I cancel the first on arrival, the host sends so many after that my linux freeze and if I cancel the second, it sends lots of other transfers. So I just ignore the first and let it pending but that's ugly, I have to understand that and fix it.
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21:44:49pamauryHum, that's embarassing: my usb driver says the first urb is pending and the virtual host driver says I gave it back to him ;)
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21:58:24arstoienHi all
22:01:23arstoienDoes the Rockbox support 90 degree text rotation for WPS? E.g. clockwise rotation: text is printed along the left side of the screen, from top to bottom (0,0) to (0,176)
22:02:44arstoienCan I check out the SVN code without a username/password? Or do I need to sign up as a contributor? I'd like to work on this feature, at least for myself.
22:02:58JdGordon|its anonymous read access
22:03:20arstoienCool, thanks. If I get it working I'll sign up as a contributor :-)
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22:04:37bertrikhe would be welcome to stick around I think ...
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22:11:51JdGordon|yeah :/
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23:11:53CIA-9New commit by Creposucre (r24216): Fix FS10902 and improve some init. Also add my name to the credit list for FS10494
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