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#rockbox log for 2010-01-13

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00:55:40Falco98anyone know if screen flip (i.e. 180deg rotation) is supported on the iPod targets? I remember quite clearly using it (just to mess around) on my iriver (h140), but I can't find the option on my iPod 5.5g 80gig...
00:57:01CIA-9New commit by 03FlynDice (r24217): SansaAMS: Disable voltage scaling. ...
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00:58:40JdGordon|Falco98: it should be there...
00:59:09Falco98i had no luck finding it under display or LCD options. am I looking in the wrong spot?
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01:01:27JdGordon|"upside down" under lcd options?
01:02:06Falco98just checked lcd options on mine, i don't find that option listed
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01:02:25JdGordon|maybe its not on that target
01:02:31JdGordon|it is there on the mini2g though
01:03:17Falco98interesting
01:03:24Falco98no big deal, i was just wondering about it
01:03:31Falco98it seems like it might be useful for the 5.5's also
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01:05:15terrakokhello! possible to port rockbox to the aria e6?
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01:12:45terrakokpossible to port rockbox to the player on microchip ALI M7101
01:14:14FlynDiceclip+ firmware update seems to be available!
01:16:00terrakokand what? yes or no?
01:16:32terrakoksorry (i don't know english)
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01:22:37JdGordon|terrakok: (almost) anything is possible... someone just needs to do the work
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01:23:06saratogaclip+ firmware file has the same as3525 string as the Clipv2
01:24:54JdGordon|I have a clip+ in peices if anyone wants it to experiment
01:25:15terrakokI'll do it. hope...
01:25:54saratogais the ALI M7101 even a CPU? google says its a power management chip
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01:26:56saratogai guess the same tricks used to patch the clipv2 should work on the clip+, just got to find a GPIO pin that can be used for dual booting
01:27:47JdGordon|is that guesswork? or there is a way to figure it out without defininte bricking?
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01:28:59saratogaJdGordon|: IIRC the trick used was to test each GPIO, and if its not pressed pause 10 seconds then boot the OF
01:29:14saratogaif it is pressed, boot straight to the OF
01:29:31saratogathen you mash buttons while booting until you find a GPIO thats mapped to a button
01:29:48JdGordon|sounds like fun :/
01:30:01saratogaon the upside theres not too many GPIO on AMS
01:30:21JdGordon|dont the buttons go through the dbop thingy?
01:30:37saratogaa few do, but most don't
01:30:48saratogaand most DBOP pins can be read as GPIO too
01:31:34saratogaalthough the clip+ is so similar to the clipv2 maybe the button pins are the same
01:31:48JdGordon|that would be nice
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01:33:47saratogamaybe funman can be convinced to write up the procedure in the wiki or something
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02:03:07Falco98is there any documentation on clearing all settings by using the hold switch on an ipod?
02:03:24Falco98i ask only because i want to read the official word on it, after accidentally doing this to myself while trying to dual-boot a few days ago
02:03:55Falco98(i flipped the hold switch like a millisecond too late, and RB itself told me it had "successfully cleared settings" or something similar)
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02:53:37JdGordon1Falco98: probalby in the manual... thats indeed what was expected
02:55:29Falco98i looked around in the manual. i believe you that it's in there, but i couldn't figure out what section to look in if so.
02:55:51Falco98(and i checked a few.. finding no reference to it)
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03:26:00CIA-9New commit by 03funman (r24218): amsinfo: support clip+ firmware format
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03:52:01saratogawhat does the arm opcode "stmgtda" mean?
03:52:06saratogai can't find any documentation for it
03:54:13saratogai get STore Multiple Decriment After but have no idea what the GT does
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03:55:21saratogaoh conditional
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04:05:32CIA-9New commit by 03funman (r24219): Add Sansa Clip+ target to test mkamsboot ...
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04:06:41funmanJdGordon1: first thing you can do is see if mkamsboot bricks your Clip+ or not :)
04:06:58JdGordon1that should be nice and doable
04:07:03JdGordon1once i put it back together :p
04:07:54funmanecho bootloader; /scramble -add=cli+ bootloader bootloader-clip+.bin
04:09:25JdGordon1echo bootloader?
04:09:35funmanecho > bootloader
04:09:35funman:)
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04:10:28funmani think you and mt have a clip+
04:10:56JdGordon1scramble or mkamsboot?
04:12:09funmanyou need a bootloader for mkamsboot, scramble will turn a file into the proper format for mkamsboot
04:12:27funmanalso you need to uncomment the Clip+ firmware checksum in mkamsboot.c
04:13:07JdGordon1so scramble a file with random junk?
04:13:48funmanyeah
04:14:06funmani don't think the Clip+ bootloader will even build
04:14:30JdGordon1scramble did nothing to the file
04:14:40JdGordon1i just did an svn up + make in tools
04:14:42funmanbut created another one
04:15:17funmanscramble just adds 32 bit checksum and 32 bit ID to the file content (and outputs another file)
04:15:26JdGordon1ah so it did
04:16:00funmanbootloader-x.sansa is 8 bytes larger than bootloader.bin
04:16:23JdGordon19
04:16:36funmanhm then there is something wrong
04:17:41JdGordon17bytes and 16 bytes
04:17:55funmanscramble align output on 32 bits so it's ok
04:18:10Unhelpfulfunman: if i want to play around on clipv2, should i be using the 12/31 patch, or is everything relevant in the chunk that went into svn? and, is it worth installing at all / is there anything i could do to help?
04:18:49funmanUnhelpful: everything is in SVN, though i removed the dma diff I used for testing
04:19:06JdGordon1ok, so next step?
04:19:27funmanJdGordon1: mkamsboot clppa-orig.bin dualboot-clip+.bin clppa.bin
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04:20:34funmanUnhelpful: installing the bootloader should run the test code in firmware/target/arm/as3525/sansa-clipv2/sd-clipv2.c : sd_transfer_sectors(), and show you where you can start :)
04:21:52funmanbasically i got some SD registers and some of their bits, but I don't know how to start data transfers
04:22:20JdGordon1funman: dualboot-clip+.bin?
04:22:31JdGordon1the one from scramble?
04:22:31funmanJdGordon1: whatever scramble outputted
04:22:49Unhelpfulah. and i assume i can still get to the OF to be able to do things like install a new bootloader when there's further work?
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04:23:15funmanUnhelpful: yes, you can dualboot with usb or left button just like on Clipv1
04:23:20JdGordon1ok, all patched
04:23:28JdGordon1copy it on and prey it boots to OF?
04:23:35funmanyeah
04:23:38saratogaat this point its probably not possible to brick your clipv2, at least not without changing the code in mkamsboot
04:23:52saratogaor maybe getting the sd driver working adn then scrambling the nand with it :)
04:24:03JdGordon1funman: do i need to press any buttons or it defaults to of?
04:24:23Unhelpfulwell, as i got it cheap and have no need of it as a player... ;)
04:24:36saratogayeah i got a clipv2 i don't have time for if anyone else wants it
04:24:44funmanJdGordon1: defaults to OF, no button are known yet
04:24:47Unhelpfulsaratoga: woot?
04:27:33JdGordon1grrrrr.... not connecting to usb
04:27:39saratogayeah
04:27:50funmanJdGordon1: is it configured for MTP ?
04:28:58JdGordon1alriughty!
04:29:59JdGordon1fuck, no surprise... i broke the battery connection
04:30:57funmanbe careful if the connection breaks while upgrade is in progress
04:31:27JdGordon1im resoldering it before...
04:31:29JdGordon1FUCK
04:31:42JdGordon1umm.. ill power it from usb without connected to a pc
04:32:13funmanbut you need it powered after unplugging
04:32:40JdGordon1upgrading...
04:32:44funmanhm upgrade should start at next reboot if the file is present
04:32:54JdGordon1it boots
04:33:04funmandid you notice the delay ?
04:33:44JdGordon1yes, and it definitly updated
04:33:49JdGordon1firmware number changed
04:33:53JdGordon1we are good to go :)
04:33:55funmannice!
04:34:11JdGordon1im reassembling before going any further
04:34:25funmannext step: add SANSA_CLIPPLUS to the CLIP/CLIPV2 case for USB_PIN
04:34:47funmanyou need to run make from mkamsboot/dualboot/ and copy dualboot.h & dualboot.c to ../ before rebuilding mkamsboot
04:35:02Falco98would anyone have any objections to committing this patch? http://www.rockbox.org/tracker/task/10905
04:35:11Falco98it's only like 10 lines of code
04:36:58saratogaUnhelpful: maybe that patch concerns you?
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04:39:28*Unhelpful doesn't see any major problems with it after a brief look
04:43:16JdGordon1right, I'm back together :)
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04:46:41JdGordon1funman: where is USB_PIN?
04:47:03funmandualboot/dualboot.S:89
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04:47:46funmanmkamsboot/dualboot.{c,h} are built from mkamsboot/dualboot/dualboot.S , but committed so you don't need the cross compiler to build mkamsboot
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04:47:53JdGordon1ok, add it to which?
04:48:10funman#elif defined(SANSA_CLIP) || defined(SANSA_CLIPV2)
04:48:22funmanjust add || defined(SANSA_CLIPPLUS)
04:49:21JdGordon1do i need to make mkamsboot again?
04:49:29*JdGordon1 hasnt had dinner yet so is stupid :p
04:49:40funmanyep: cd dualboot/; make; cp dualboot.c dualboot.h ../; cd ../; make
04:52:04funmanso power through USB should be instant, and power through button take the additional delay
04:52:58JdGordon1nada
04:53:15funmanthe delay is still there when plugging on usb ?
04:53:31JdGordon1not turning on at all now
04:53:56funmanhrm
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04:54:19funman:(
04:54:48funmanthe OF might rely on some value of GPIOA_DIR
04:55:01JdGordon1well that was fun :p
04:55:16funmandefinitely a brick, battery connection is ok ?
04:55:39JdGordon1even with no batt it should turn on with usb shouldnt it?
04:55:46JdGordon1or is it all before the sansa logo?
04:55:47funmanoh right
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04:57:46funmani'll leave a note in the forum
04:58:02JdGordon1batt connection looks fine
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04:59:30funmanto power down the Clipv2 you need to stay on power for 15 seconds or so
04:59:39funmandid you check powering with the button only too ?
04:59:58funmanah well, that wouldn't change anything since it will branch to OF anyway
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05:01:24JdGordon1ill try cpr, but not really having much hope
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05:02:39Unhelpfulexcept that you don't need to do /* contributor */ really thanks to svn blame :)
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05:12:48funmanI believe the aim was to track the diff while developping? I use another window to run svn diff
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05:20:06Falco98I can't find documentation on this... when compiling for the 80gb ipod 5.5, which memory size do you select? I can't figure out whether it should be 32mb or 64mb
05:20:48krazykit64
05:20:59krazykitbut 32 would work too
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05:35:45JdGordon1Falco98: I actuallt have problems with that patch
05:36:44JdGordon1also I have problems with those comments
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05:51:22JdGordon1does http://www.rockbox.org/wiki/CustomWPS#Playlist_viewer_not_in_svn_just make any sense?
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06:30:18funmanactually there are some differences in hardware init between clipv2 & clip+
06:33:24Falco98JdGordon1: what's your problem with it?
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06:35:26Falco98the comments (in my patch, if that's what you were referring to) can be taken out before committing; they were just for record-keeping of what i was trying/changing.
06:37:32funmanJdGordon1: still it's weird your clip+ is bricked, the OF explicitely clears bits which must be input
06:37:46funmanand the register should be set to 0 at reset
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06:40:39JdGordon1funman: well it seems very dead... pm me your addy and ill post it to you if you want to try fixing it
06:41:11funmani don't think i can do anything about it
06:41:22funmanIMO it's not worth the post stamp
06:41:49JdGordon1Falco98: well, 1) those comments are wasteful and totally redundant... and 2) why stop there? why not look for artist\title from the id3? or number - title? or any other of the million variations?
06:42:54funmanClip+ has the same SDRAM than Clipv2
06:44:16JdGordon1I tried the recovery mode thing from the clipv2 and dint have any luck last time i tried
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06:46:27flybackbtw
06:46:58funmanClip+ has the same SD driver than Clipv2
06:47:07funmanJdGordon1: there's no recovery for Clipv2
06:47:34JdGordon1shorting two solder points on the sd chip or something
06:47:48Falco98JdGordon1: i'm not exactly sure how those are objections. you could make the same arguments against any of the existing options, too. i implemented this because i actually expected it to work at first, wanted to use it that way, and didn't realize until afterwards that it didn't work in this way.
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06:52:41JdGordonS_a_i_n_t: i'm commiting the playlist viewer now.... any last suggestions for crucial tags to support?
06:53:14Falco98i don't exactly see how incrementally making features more complete as users require them becomes a bad idea just because there are a ridiculously high number of other possible configurations...
06:53:45funmanIt looks like Clip+ use the SSP (Synchronous Serial Port) instead of DBOP for lcd
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06:55:12lizzzyIs the rockbox supported for Ipod classic now?
06:55:27funmanlizzzy: if it's not written on www.rockbox.org, then no
06:55:35lizzzy:(
06:56:58Falco98lizzzy: apple's greedy encryption is keeping serious efforts from taking place quite yet
06:57:20Falco98though i hear there are some cracks forming, which may eventually lead to something usable on the newer ipods
06:57:31Falco98but i wouldn't expect any of those anytime soon
06:57:52lizzzyoh
06:57:53Falco98my best suggestion is to do what i did a few weeks ago, and snag an 80gig ipod video on ebay
06:58:08Falco98(it works pretty well!)
06:58:19lizzzyI got it as a present like 2 years ago when it was first released.
06:58:44lizzzyI've been waiting since then for rockbox to support ipod classic
06:58:53lizzzyor atleast the ipodlinux
06:59:08lizzzyI don't wanna sell it coz' my dad gave it to me
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07:00:30lizzzyhmm.. Are there any pdf readers available for the ipod classic?
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07:01:06funmanlizzzy: this is off topic for #rockbox , you can join #rockbox-community though
07:01:15lizzzyoh cool
07:01:19lizzzythanks!
07:02:41CIA-9New commit by 03jdgordon (r24220): FS #10898 - Add a playlist viewer to the WPS. http://www.rockbox.org/wiki/CustomWPS#Playlist_viewer for an exaplanation how to use it.
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07:13:13JdGordonah crud... stupid checkwps on the themesite doesnt pass with my demo wps :/
07:13:39JdGordoneek.. 2K delta
07:14:28funmantry setting GPIOB pin0 to 1, wait a bit, read GPIOA pins 1, 6, 7; GPIOC pins 1, 2, 3, 4, 5
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07:20:34JdGordonWTF at the mr500sim yellow?
07:24:23CIA-9New commit by 03jdgordon (r24221): Fix red and yellow. HWCODEC cant see the metadata for more than the next track so only show the filename there
07:24:35funmanJdGordon: needs audio.h
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07:26:38Falco98hmm.. every once in a while my ipod refuses to Safely Remove - anyone have a trick for how to tell which program is still allegedly using it?
07:27:02funmangoogle for 'lsof windows'
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07:27:37pixelmadepends on the length of the next track but true for a common music file (and gets more true with every commit such as this :\ )
07:28:03tomersJdGordon: Hi, can you please update the manual (WPS tags section) with the playlist viewer feature?
07:28:18pixelmaand is the release officially cancelled for this time?
07:28:36funmanno
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07:29:15pixelmaso why rush in a feature now?
07:29:25funmanit isn't planned either
07:30:33JdGordontomers: I don't know how to build the manual, and I outright cant to TeX... I've updated the wiki which should be plenty for someone to add to the manual
07:30:37JdGordonpixelma: hardly rushed
07:30:38pixelmaaha.
07:31:07pixelmaJdGordon: a few days in the forums isn't?
07:31:21JdGordonno
07:31:43pixelma6 days
07:32:02JdGordonso?
07:32:14Falco98has the ipod code recently changed to where USB mode is handled by the rockbox software itself? I just tried a bleeding-edge build and where it used to detect usb and reboot to the default firmware for USB, now it just sticks on the screen with a USB picture on it...
07:32:28Falco98unless something has happened wrong on my player :P
07:32:30tomersJdGordon: OK, I'll try to do it myself
07:32:49JdGordonta :)
07:33:04tomersbut it will take some time (not much spare time ATM)...
07:33:10JdGordontoda even :)
07:33:18*JdGordon 's brain is slow this evening
07:33:37pixelmafor me it feels like rushed - and if it wasn't you could have known that the patch didn't build on hwcodec
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07:33:48pixelmaas it was
07:33:57tomersOh, that's a good opportunity to raise the question regarding the duplicity of having WPS tags documented both in Wiki and in the manual.
07:34:12JdGordonpull it out of the manual imo
07:34:42JdGordonalthough, it should be somewhere more official than the wiki, but easier to update than the manual
07:35:04tomersThe Wiki contains all the tags, while the target specific manual contains only relevant Wiki tags - it ignores tags which are ifdefed with defines it doesn't have
07:35:58tomersJdGordon: I think I agree with you. Maybe the manual should have a link to the Wiki page? I can't think of a proper solution for this problem
07:36:28JdGordonthere is a wps editor which is half finished would be the logical place for this :)
07:36:36pixelmatomers: at DevCon 2008 it was agreed on having most info in the manual. The wiki is easier to update for anyone though, so CustomWPS is there as a convenience
07:36:57JdGordondoes anyone know how to use the bloat-o-meter?
07:37:04pixelmafor comvenience
07:37:07tomersCurrently there are subtle differences between the manual and wiki for tags that are documented in both, while some other tags are missing from the manual. I don't think that there are tags that are only in the manual, but I haven't verified this.
07:37:26funmanJdGordon: ./bloat-o-meter file1.elf file2.elf
07:37:53tomersJdGordon: What is bloat-o-meter?
07:38:02JdGordonits not in tools/ ?
07:38:17JdGordonits a program to show where bloat was added between builds
07:38:20funmantomers: a tool in utils/analysis to see the differences between 2 builds (where the size increase is located for example)
07:38:32tomersthanks
07:39:56pixelmatomers: I think it doesn't hurt to see all tags (and am a bit against this excluding in the manual), because it helps people understanding WPSs - maybe ones they are porting or so. Of course things should be marked as "not possible on target X (or e.g. monochrome screens or whatever)"
07:40:13tomerspixelma: I tried to synchronize the wiki and manual and found out many differences. I'm not a native English speaker, and my experience here regarding rephrasing, etc, is quite poor :-) so I am not going to do it myself, but I will try to add some missing tags, which I already started lately. For example, the FM Radio tags
07:40:37pixelmaFM radio tags?
07:40:54JdGordona tiny few were added
07:40:59pixelmajust in SBSs I think, currently
07:41:40JdGordonI can't see why they are in the manual. The manual is too long already, adding them makes it appear bigger than it is, it should only be to teach the user how to use rockbox
07:41:47tomerspixelma: err... I meant recording screen tokens: http://www.rockbox.org/wiki/CustomWPS#Recording_Screen_tokens_currentl
07:41:47JdGordonthemeing should be a seperate area
07:41:49S_a_i_n_ttomers: documentation of the %ax tag was/is terrible imo, or could be clmore clear at least :P
07:42:11pixelmatomers: same there (SBSs)
07:43:18tomersS_a_i_n_t: JdGordon wrote the documentation of %ax. Talk to him. I am planning on adding it to the manual soon, so now it's the time to fix it :-)
07:43:28JdGordon250 bytes were added because get_line() was made public!
07:43:58tomerspixelma: I don't understand what you mean (SBSs)
07:44:15JdGordonSBS = custom statusbar
07:44:30tomersJdGordon: What about it?
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07:52:08SpaceghostOlympus M-Robe 500v
07:52:10SpaceghostOlympus M-Robe 500
07:52:16Spaceghostthat is full supported?
07:52:20Spaceghostthe cam? and all?
07:52:58JdGordonthe cam isnt supported at all
07:53:05JdGordonaudio works on it though
07:55:08S_a_i_n_tJdGordon: regarding the pl-widget, well done!
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07:57:28Spacesorry, JdGordon I lost my connection, the last that I could read was:
07:57:34Space<JdGordon> audio works on it though
07:57:46Spaceyou or someone else said something more?
07:57:54JdGordonno
07:58:09JdGordonnot about the mr500 anyway
07:58:59*S_a_i_n_t shall have some fun pissing-around with the playlist viewer tonight :D
07:59:28S_a_i_n_ttry put up something simple for the nano's
07:59:55SpaceJdGordon, I need boot the original firmware to take photos?
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08:00:01JdGordonyes
08:00:03tomersSpace: I can always use the log: http://www.rockbox.org/irc/log-today
08:00:17tomerss/I/you/
08:00:29Spaceoh, I hadn't idea of that, thanks tomers
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08:02:27funmanwouldn't the link to irc log be useful in the topic ?
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08:03:00Space:)
08:03:10*S_a_i_n_t :-D
08:03:13funmanAlso users will know they are 'monitored'
08:03:39S_a_i_n_t...oh no, it's 'big brother' man...
08:03:59funmanbig rockboxer :)
08:04:22S_a_i_n_tour typo's can be used against us!
08:05:04Spaceje, I would say that
08:06:49pixelmatomers: that those tags regarding recording and radio can only be used in the custom statusbar file, the two screens themselves aren't skinnable
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08:08:20tomerspixelma: Thanks
08:09:15SpaceJdGordon, the touchscreen is supported?
08:09:19*JdGordon doesnt see the point in losing a good deal of functionality to reclaim only 100 bytes
08:09:23JdGordonSpace: yes
08:09:48JdGordonbut beware... its in a stupid grid mode by default, so read the manual to figure out how to put it in stylus mode
08:09:53tomersfunman: The logs are going back to 2002 :-) BTW March-June 2002 logs are empty...
08:10:20funmanthe logbot probably went on strike :)
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11:17:27JohannesSM64my iPod froze and holding down play/pause doesn't help. any way out?
11:21:53dionoeayou need to hold down select+play
11:22:11dionoeaor select+menu
11:22:15gevaertsin this case at least, not for a normal shutdown...
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13:13:57sinucis there any known issue related to life of battery on ipod nano 1. generation? the wiki etc says stable but i wonder since rockbox i get about 5 hours of music, usually i started the ipod in the morning and it ran til late evening.. any hints on how to check out whats wrong, or test the battery like in rockboxk compare to ipods default software or so
13:14:02sinuc?
13:21:25AlexPRockbox usually has similar or better battery life than the OF
13:21:58AlexPReset all the Rockbox options to default, and see how long the battery lasts. Many of the advanced options in Rockbox will drain the battery quickly
13:22:06AlexPThen see how long the OF lasts, and compare
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13:29:10sinucits not too much away from default settings but a different skin, font and language, will compare on the weekend. thanks for the reply
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14:56:34mwarning is rockbox available for the ipod nano 4th generation?
14:56:43marukno
14:56:47mwarning:(
14:57:14mwarningwill it be supported at some point in the future?
14:59:54marukif someone found how to run custom code on nano4g and port rockbox, yes. Else no.
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15:09:43GodEaterfrom what I understand there's an exploit in the nano4g which might make it possible to run custom code on it - but that's as far as the work has gone I think. No-one is interested in doing anything else at the moment.
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17:32:46mwarningis there an online petition to up the ipod nano (>4g)?
17:34:59krazykita petition isn't very helpful for getting a port going. interested owners actually doing the hard work of porting will make it happen
17:35:27mwarningI meant a petition to apple
17:35:40Torneto do what?
17:36:38Tornethey've had eight and a bit years to publish documentation or any other kind of help for people who want to replace the iPod firmware. They haven't. Why would they care about a petition? :)
17:36:48mwarninggiving out the encryption information necessary to get alternative firmwares going.
17:37:13krazykita few dozen people clicking "sign here" on some web page isn't going to convince apple of anything.
17:37:40mwarningkrazykit, it's the best I can think about right now.
17:37:40Tornethe linux4nano people have already broken the crypto for the nano 4g
17:37:59gevaertsTorne: in a usable way?
17:38:08*gevaerts hasn't really followed this
17:38:08Torneif they wanted people to be able to do this stuff why would they include the crypto in the first place?
17:38:11Tornegevaerts: i thought so
17:38:12Tornei may be wrong
17:38:22Torneiirc the latest 4g firmware kills the Notes exploit though
17:38:45mwarningI got my ipod nano today and experience the whole truckload of itunes cumbersomeness. (I use linux)
17:39:59Torneyeah, linux4nano wiki says the iBugger core runs on 4G now
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17:40:38Tornebut 4g firmware 1.0.4 fixes the notes exploit
17:40:48gevaertsTorne: there's a second step though, getting code accepted by the in-flash bootloader
17:41:11TorneAh, true
17:41:16Torneyou could do a tethered boot tho :)
17:41:32Tornesome slightly crazy people seem happy with that for iphone jailbreaks :)
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17:42:48Torneand that part is mostly a matter of tedious slogging disassembly, no?
17:43:00Tornerather than having to actually bruteforce the exploit address as is needed on most of the other models still :)
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17:43:50gevaertsnot sure. IIRC the boot code does check signatures at least
17:44:43Tornei guess it depends whether the 4g boots in a similar way to the nano 2g, or in a similar way to the touch
17:45:06Torneanyway this is the limits of what i know so hey
17:45:07mwarningI hope the hardware is mostly the same
17:45:16TorneNo, the hardware is very different
17:45:24Tornewell, somewhat different
17:45:26mwarning:/
17:45:41Tornethe 4g is the same SoC as the 2G ipod touch
17:46:18Torneso, yeah, if you don't like itunes i suggest you take it back :)
17:46:31Tornebuy something else
17:46:46LansiPod Nano 1st gen; Rockbox has a sleep timer and a wake-up alarm, but they cancel eachother out (one cannot be active while the other is). Does this mean that i can't make the ipod stop playing after 20 minutes, and start playing (incrementally volume wise, if possible) at a set time, without touching the ipod in between both events?
17:47:29Tornei don't see why you shouldn't be able to use both at once..
17:47:46Tornedoes it say that in the manual somewhere, or did it just not work when you tried it?
17:47:56LansNeither do I, but quoting the manual: "Using this option disables the Sleep Timer." (for the wake-up alarm)
17:48:16Torneinteresting
17:48:47LansSo i guess that means i can't use both at once? :(
17:49:00TorneNo
17:49:12Torneit looks like the way it's coded means the only way to set the wake-up alarm is to turn the player off immediately
17:49:30Tornei don't know of any reason why it should *have* to be that way, though..
17:49:34LansIt's things like this that i wish i knew how to code.
17:49:45*Torne has a look :)
17:49:50Lansthat make me* wish
17:50:52arbingordonperhaps it was to annoy people
17:51:05arbingordoneverybody wants to do that once in a while :)
17:51:21Tornewe're supposed to have nobler motives than that :)
17:51:35*Lans laughs
17:51:43arbingordonbut we're human, and don't :P
17:52:56Torneinterestingly i can't find where the alarm code powers off.
17:54:11LansThe Wake-Up alarm shouldn't power off, should it? Can it run and look at a timer to see when it should start playing, when it's powered off?
17:54:33Torneyes, it powers it off
17:54:43Torneit's only supported on targets with an RTC which are able to wake the player up at a specified time
17:54:49LansYou're right according to the manual though, "Select confirms the alarm and shuts the player down, ..."
17:54:52Tornewe set the RTC up and then turn off
17:55:10Torneand when the RTC turns us on again we do whatever the set action is, resuming playback or starting the radio etc
17:55:15Tornebut i can't find the actual call that shuts the player down :)
17:55:39LansIt doesn't, apparetly.
17:55:48Torneit doesn't
17:55:48Torne?
17:55:49LansI just set the timer to wake up in 16 hours, and it's still running
17:55:53TorneHmm
17:56:10Tornemanual is wrong, then?
17:56:12Lansshowing the "Time & Date submenu"
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17:56:45LansI'm gonna try it tonight then, maybe they don't cancel eachother out after all?
17:57:00Torneyou could try it now, surely?
17:57:06Torneset the alarm for 10 mins
17:57:09Torneand the sleep timer for 5 :)
17:57:32Tornei've never actually used either so i was just going by the manual
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17:58:39Lans10 minute waiting time, it's playing right now, as it should. Should stop playing in 5 minutes, and then start playing again in 10, if the manual is incorrect, that is.
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18:03:26Lansit's now shut down.
18:03:34Lans... 3 minutes into it.
18:03:45Tornethere doesn't appear to be anything in the code for either to imply they are mutually exclusive
18:04:02Torneit doesn't disable the alarm when the sleep timer is set or when it expires and powers off, that i can see.
18:04:05Torneor vice versa.
18:04:39LansSo why'd the thing just power down prematurely? It was full of juice, so it hasn't run out of power.
18:04:53Tornei have no idea :)
18:05:01TorneOh, was it idle?
18:05:08LansNo, it was playing music.
18:05:25Tornewell, hm
18:05:29Tornesee if it turns back on i guess :)
18:05:41Torneif it does then i guess that's unrelated
18:07:06LansHasn't yet, maybe the clock was just off by a couple of minutes. I didn't check the ipod clock against my pc clock, i just compared the ipod clock to my pc clock when the ipod shut down. Hopefully i just jumped to the wrong conclusion
18:07:19LansWhups, just powered on again
18:07:31LansThat was definitely not 5 minutes
18:07:37Torneit isn't?
18:07:46Lans18:03 to 18:07
18:07:49Torneyou said that at 17:07 by my clock, and you said it shut down at 17:03..
18:08:02TorneYah, with allowing for delays of human reactions that sounds like about five minuts
18:08:14Tornei suggest you check the clock :)
18:08:28Torneand/or test it properly. i dunno.
18:08:35Tornebut it does seem like the manual is just wrong/outdated
18:08:39Torneand that actually this works fine
18:08:42Torneno?
18:09:42LansHope so, leaving the thing playing all night makes me dream weird shit. I mean really, jumping off of clouds of treebark into ponds of molten metal, weird.
18:10:40LansBut... F yeah! :D
18:11:40Torneyah, it looks like it used to power down immediately, but it was changed in 2005 :)
18:11:54LansShame about the lack of incremental volume's though. Falling asleep with loud arse music is hard, and waking up to soft arse music doubly so.
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18:14:09TorneThe manual has a comment in the source that says "todo this isn't right for all targets i think" :)
18:14:57Tornei'll raise a bug on the manual, anyway
18:15:16Lans"this isn't right for all targets"...? whah?
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18:18:08TorneLans: it used to work differently a long time ago when htere was only one target that supported the alarm
18:18:18Tornewhen the manual got updated whoever did it wasn't sure how it worked, i think :)
18:18:21Tornei've raised a bug
18:18:34Torneif you have a problem using it "in practise" come back and tell us :)
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18:20:49LansBtw, congratulations on being one of the few actually nice people that i've met on zhe interwebs. Rock on, Torne.
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18:21:02Willysorry if stupid question, but will I have any problems with Rockbox if I switch to Windows 7 64 bit?
18:21:35arbingordondon't think so
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18:22:16arbingordonbut it might depend on you're pmp and such
18:22:59TorneWilly: You shouldn't, no. We implement USB mass storage in a perfectly standard way
18:23:36Willyok. Thanks you :)
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18:57:07webguest44guys dont call me crazy ^^
18:57:17webguest44but its there anyway to port rockbox to iphone
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18:57:52webguest44?
18:57:59JdGordonyou crayzee!
18:58:31webguest44dude i just want to know if i can help to port rockbox into the iphone
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18:59:35topikshouldn't be much of a problem. find a way to run custom stuff on an iphone, port rockbox yourself, done
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19:02:43webguest44if u tell me what i need to have to done it
19:02:59webguest44i mean i still at the beginning of porting things so a help would be nice is somebody want to help
19:03:45topikyou will need a way to replace the firmware on an apple device with rockbox. there is no such way known
19:04:21JdGordonthe agreed way to do a phone port is to get rockbox running as an app... not as a firmware replacement
19:04:24webguest44well i think there must be a way to run a emulator to run rockbox coz look i know that iphone can run windows 95
19:04:35webguest44jdgordon right
19:04:50webguest44thats what i think about thats why i think a emulator should be able to done
19:05:43arbingordonwell, couldn't rockbox be made into a "free" app?
19:05:48topika native app is probably "easier"
19:06:03arbingordon^thats what I mean
19:06:14topikrockbox-as-an-app is often discussed, but never done
19:06:41webguest44we need to get a team toghter to done that well i am sorry that my english is not the best ^^
19:06:43topikperhaps you can get the simulator built for iphone
19:06:44arbingordonthat's because none of the devs will enough to do it
19:07:03webguest44how much devs we would need
19:07:53arbingordonidk, i don't think it'd be that many or that hard
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19:08:18webguest44well if i can do anything to get this startet i would love to help
19:08:23arbingordonas topik said, if the simulator could be ported to an iphone app, that'd be easier than CFW for the iphone
19:08:52webguest44i know they have done a Nintendo DS Simulator for iphone
19:08:58webguest44maybe the same can done with rockbox
19:09:11arbingordoni think that's different
19:09:20saratogawebguest44: setup the tools to develop for the iphone, try to compile the rockbox sim, and then write whatever code is needed to get it running
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19:10:13webguest44well saratoga i think i would take time but if people is ready to work on it it would be great
19:10:20webguest44coz who dosent love rockbox here :D
19:10:33webguest44and i miss the custom eq from rockbox :(
19:10:42saratogawebguest44: get something working and I'm sure other people will take interest
19:11:42webguest44well i gonna say it right away here i am a beginner at codings but i still try to get it to work but first i need to get the setup tools for develop for iphone
19:11:43topikseems that thinks like SDL are ported to iphone/sdk already
19:11:52topikthings even
19:12:28arbingordonhttp://developer.apple.com/iphone/
19:13:19topikobjective-c sounds scary
19:13:45arbingordonit is
19:14:02arbingordonworse than the boogeyman
19:14:37webguest44oh year
19:14:45webguest44that gonna be funny to done that onw indows
19:14:51topikwould make for a nice gsoc project ... rockbox as an (iphone) app
19:15:27arbingordontopik: as it is now, isnt the rockbox sim capable of running on mac osx?
19:15:52webguest44that would be the first step
19:15:58webguest44i think it can be r un only on win ?
19:16:06saratogait runs on MacOS
19:16:09topikit does yes
19:16:20saratogamost of us don't even develop in Windows
19:16:26GodEaterit runs on linux too
19:16:38arbingordoni thought most of you are commies running loonix :P
19:16:56webguest44i got a pc not a mac but i got on my second drive i got leopard running on my intel ^^
19:16:57GodEaterthere is something to decide before you even start the port to the iphone
19:17:08GodEaterdo you want it to be available by the appstore or not?
19:17:19GodEaterit is unlikely, in my view though, that Apple would allow it
19:17:25webguest44nope only over cydia
19:17:39webguest44coz i am sure apple dosent gonna allow rockbox via appstore
19:17:51arbingordonwhy not?
19:18:00GodEaterbecause it plays music
19:18:06pamaury:)
19:18:11webguest44and it got a custom eq
19:18:20GodEaterapple do not let apps into the store which replace existing functionality
19:18:21webguest44and like u know apple dosent have that ^^
19:18:26pamauryApple won't allow a software which is direct concurrent
19:18:30arbingordonelaborate? (i know apples not that great, but i dont think they suck that much)
19:18:39GodEaterthey suck massively
19:18:45arbingordoni know
19:18:46webguest44for real eater
19:18:52*pamaury like moderate opinions on apple
19:18:58arbingordonbut that's like not allowing audacity on mac osx :(
19:19:05topikthey suck moderately too, pamaury
19:19:33webguest44somebody speak german here ?
19:19:42topikno, it's not allowed
19:19:46topikso nobody dares
19:20:12webguest44well guys right now i dont have osx running on my intel
19:20:22webguest44so if somebody want to join and help to get this thing started
19:20:33webguest44it would be great for a 2010 Rockbox Project
19:20:35GodEateryou can develop from linux too
19:20:44webguest44Knoppix ?
19:21:03GodEaterwell, you need a writable file system to install the SDK
19:21:09GodEaterso a livecd probably isn't the best approach
19:21:15topikcross compiling the osx version on linux?
19:21:24topikthat will probably be frustrating exercise
19:21:34GodEaterwhy?
19:21:36webguest44i can still install the live cd on my pc so that would probely work
19:21:54topikyou'd still need to test it in osx
19:22:02GodEateragain, why?
19:22:35topikyou'd compile on linux, transfer it to your iphone and test there?
19:22:41GodEaterit's what I'd do
19:22:53GodEaterif I still had an iphone
19:22:55GodEater:)
19:23:12GodEaterwhich reminds me, I have about 2 gig of disc space I can free up by deleting the SDK!
19:23:19arbingordonhehe
19:23:29arbingordon2GB?
19:23:34webguest44like i sad i am a beginner not a pro like some guys here
19:23:36topikif taking the osx sim as a start, i would imagine being able to test it on osx would be benificial
19:23:41webguest44and i got a big respekt for the work they done
19:23:50webguest44so i still i hope ic an get help here
19:24:03arbingordonthat's the size of VB .net 2005 & visual studio 6.0 combined
19:24:13topikthere's a lot of reading you can do first, webguest44, like http://www.rockbox.org/wiki/UiSimulator
19:24:14GodEatertopik: possibly yes, but that would mean owning OSX
19:24:39GodEaterwhich I, and virtually every other Rockbox hacker does not have
19:24:51topikyeah i get that
19:24:55GodEaterit's why we have the most difficulty keeping the OSX version of RBUtil up to date
19:25:51webguest44The simulator will build and run on Mac OS X, linked with libSDL 1.2.9. There are still problems with sound output. i dont think its gonna be easy
19:25:55webguest44to port that
19:26:08topikyou have to start somewhere
19:26:34webguest44first u guys need to look for the sound output problem
19:26:39GodEaterno we don't
19:26:47arbingordonwebguest44: its easier than making your own hack for the iphone or something
19:26:50GodEaterany sound issues are in libSDL
19:27:12arbingordonor building all your libraries yourself
19:27:22webguest44@arbingordon u got msn or aim
19:27:31arbingordonnope
19:27:47arbingordoni suck at programming, so its no real loss ;)
19:28:31webguest44well i hope to get help here and how much other devs have iphones here ^^
19:28:40GodEatervirtually none
19:28:51GodEaterall the people that did have them have recently got rid of them
19:29:03topikvirtually none is that like having a simulator?
19:29:09GodEater:)
19:30:29GodEaterlet me put it this way, I can think of only two people here that have an iphone
19:30:31GodEaterand only one of them is a programmer
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19:30:54arbingordonwhile people are talking, any likeliness of an xvid avi player?
19:31:04SteWieHok Im sorry Im asaking yet MORE questions.. I got rockbox installed but is there a shuffle function around on it somewheres?
19:31:15GodEaterSteWieH: have you read the manual ?
19:31:24SteWieHcant seem to find it. I may be having an id10t error..
19:31:30GodEaterarbingordon: no more or less likliness than any other feature
19:31:31SteWieHtheres a manuel for it?
19:31:34GodEateryes
19:31:41GodEaterit's linked on the rockbox web site
19:31:42arbingordoncheck your models manual
19:31:43GodEateron the right
19:31:46GodEatercalled "manual"
19:31:58webguest44great so only me and the other guy with a iphone here
19:32:19webguest44i really hope that people dont give up rockbox
19:32:19GodEaterwebguest44: you've arrived too late
19:32:33topikperhaps finding a place where iphone developers hang and suggesting a rockbox project there gets you started quicker
19:32:49GodEatergood luck with that
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19:32:56topikthat's friendly of you :)
19:32:57webguest44first i think that here would be the right place coz
19:33:00GodEaterthe irc channels with iphone developers in are horrible
19:33:07topikinitially all your problems will be iphone development related
19:33:21GodEaterwebguest44: here is almost never the right place to suggest a new port
19:33:27GodEaterall the people here HAVE rockbox devices already
19:33:31GodEaterthey don't really need new ones
19:33:32arbingordonGodEater: it might be that irc protocols and trademarks aren't owned by apple
19:33:42GodEaterarbingordon: huh?
19:33:43webguest44^^ hope so
19:33:49arbingordonnevermind
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19:35:19GodEaterlet me be clear, we would LOVE to see Rockbox running as an app on an iphone. But the chances of someone that is already here starting that port are slim to none.
19:35:38arbingordoni wonder, what about the google android thing?
19:35:44GodEaterditto for that
19:35:57GodEaterhaving just bought a Nexus One, I'd love to see it running there :)
19:36:19webguest44Nexus is awsome :D
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19:36:39arbingordonthey give you some nice hardware under the hood i presume?
19:36:45Zagorme too. I was supremely frustrated by the sucky default android music player the other day
19:37:33GodEaterZagor: have you done any investigation into getting native code running on it?
19:37:40GodEateror is still all java stuff?
19:37:50ZagorGodEater: no, there's a native sdk now.
19:37:54GodEaterarbingordon: much better hardware than in an iphone :)
19:38:03GodEaterZagor: that presents certain challenges then!
19:38:04Zagorso it shouldn't be too hard
19:38:14*GodEater re-reads
19:38:17arbingordonso what, 1+gHz in there?
19:38:19scorche|shemphasis on "shouldnt" ;)
19:38:27GodEaterZagor: well volunteered :)
19:38:32GodEaterarbingordon: yes 1Ghz
19:38:34scorche|sharbingordon: this should probably be taken to some sort of off-topic channel
19:38:46GodEaterscorche|sh: why? We're talking about a rockbox port!
19:38:53Zagorthe big work other than basic driver porting is doing a proper touch-only interface.
19:39:18Zagorour d2 touch stuff isn't very friendly
19:39:22GodEateryeah, I guess the D2 stuff isn't that portable
19:39:31arbingordonwonder if it was optimized it could handle x264 video on it
19:39:42GodEaterI'm sure shotofadds would welcome help there
19:40:11GodEaterarbingordon: the common misconception with video codecs is that they'd "just play" if the DAP supported the codec
19:40:19GodEaterthis is not true - they still need to resized
19:40:25arbingordonnaturally
19:40:27Zagorarbingordon: nexus1 does H.264 AVC
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19:40:57arbingordonyea, looking over the wikipage
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19:49:42saratogaZagor: is it easy to run native code on the Nexus One (e.g. SDL)?
19:50:05ZagorI don't know, I haven't looked at it yet. I just know it exists.
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19:53:00Zagorhttp://sdlonandroid.git.sourceforge.net/git/gitweb.cgi?p=sdlonandroid/sdlonandroid;a=tree
19:53:17GodEaterthat's a start :)
19:53:48SteWieHhrm i cant get a playlist to save
19:53:55SteWieHthis is going to cause issues
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19:55:03SteWieHif I make a playlist with Itunes can rockbox see it?
19:55:19JdGordon|if its a m3u or m3u8 it can
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19:56:17SteWieHwell rockbox is saving playlists then mysteriouslly not seeing them
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19:57:08GodEaterbecause you have your file view settings set to "Music" properly
19:57:12GodEateryou should change the setting to "Supported"
19:57:17GodEaterand then the playlists will show up
19:57:25SteWieHhrm
19:57:36SteWieHto many settings to set up when they should be on by default
19:58:21GodEater"Supported" is the default iirc
19:58:33pixelmathink so too
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20:02:46SteWieHshow files is supposed to be supported and not music?
20:03:56JdGordon|yes
20:04:22JdGordon|well, if you want to see files other than music files only
20:04:55GodEaterwe ship rockbox with that setting at "Supported", so if your ipod has it as "Music" it's because you changed it.
20:05:05SteWieHgr
20:05:12SteWieHIts still not seeing my playlists
20:05:32JdGordon|where did you save them?
20:05:43SteWieHeven fi I click on "create Playlist" and then on "save playlist" it still wont see any playlists
20:06:20GodEaterand what did you call them?
20:06:36JdGordon|settings > general settings > file view > "show files"
20:06:39SteWieHw/e rockbox called them
20:06:41JdGordon|change that to supported
20:06:46SteWieHI already did
20:07:30pixelmaweren't you lead to the virtual keyboard for naming the file?
20:07:53GodEaterwe don't save playlists without going to the virtual keyboard do we?
20:08:30SteWieHpixelma if I click on save yes
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20:08:43pixelmaI think if you create a playlist of all, you'll automatically get a root.m3u8
20:08:48SteWieHit was named dynamic.m3ua
20:08:58JdGordon|m3ua?
20:09:08GodEaterwell that'll be why it's not showing...
20:09:11JdGordon|if they a got added it wont be supported
20:09:15SteWieHit was named dynamic.m3u8
20:09:15SteWieH*
20:09:30pixelmaSteWieH: and did you press the correct "accept" button in the virtual keyboard?
20:09:40SteWieHI have nfi tbh
20:09:49SteWieHI dont knwo what the accept button is tbh
20:10:07JdGordon|the play button
20:10:23SteWieHthen yes
20:10:26pixelmadepends on the target... and is explained in the manual
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20:10:37SteWieHand whe I go to view playlist it says "no playlists"
20:10:50SteWieHit cant even find the root.m3u8 either
20:11:48JdGordon|the playlist catalog defaults to a different location than where they are saved
20:11:56JdGordon|put your playlists in /Playlists
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20:12:33pixelmathe dynamic.m3u8 are saved in the root of your player - so top level if you browse files
20:13:02pixelmaif I remember correctly
20:13:11SteWieHhrm
20:13:22SteWieHk i moved my root playlist over to the playlist folder
20:13:32GodEatershould we default to adding /Playlists/ at the start of the path name in the virtual keyboard when saving a new playlist?
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20:13:45SteWieHmaybe
20:13:55SteWieHmake it a tad more nub friendly -_-`
20:14:37JdGordon|GodEater: I seem to remember a rather heated argument about that when it was brought up on the tracker
20:14:57JdGordon|but yes, we shuold
20:15:11SteWieHhrm k i got the root playlist to show up
20:15:36JdGordon|FS #8940
20:15:38SteWieHnow I gotta figure out how to get them to play
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20:17:40SteWieHthere we go
20:17:53SteWieHloaded the playlist and just had to go to resume playback >< sorry
20:18:04JdGordon|GodEater: I would very much be in favour of moving the default playlist location to the catalog, but its not something I use so if someone else wants to push for that patch to go in good, otherwise meh
20:18:21JdGordon|SteWieH: it didnt start automatically?
20:18:34SteWieHNo
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20:19:13SteWieHif I shut it down should it reload the playlist automatically?
20:19:20JdGordon|yes
20:19:27JdGordon|RTFM :)
20:19:32SteWieHwill it reshuffle the songs each time as well?
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20:24:59SteWieHalso cool that it tells you what song it will play next
20:25:00GodEaterno, they remain in the same shuffled order unless you re-shuffle them manually
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20:25:46SteWieHug
20:26:00SteWieHthat be hella annoying
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20:26:12JdGordon|it resumes playback from where you stopped
20:26:17JdGordon|it doesnt start again from the begining
20:26:43JdGordon|http://www.rockbox.org/manual.shtml
20:27:00GodEateryeah, seriously, go and read that
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20:31:28*SteWieH looks through the manuel to figure out stuyff then
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20:48:55*gevaerts is a bit late for the discussion, but he can't help pointing out that he has the sim running on his phone
20:50:06pamaurytime to bother gevaerts with questions ! Hopefully I only have a few of them.
20:50:56pamaurygevaerts: first, when a driver stall an endpoint, should this endpoint reject all transfers on the endpoint until it is unstalled ? What happened when the control endpoint is stalled ?
20:51:25pamaurySecond, what usb_drv_cancel_all_transfers() is suppose to do regarding the pending transfer on control endpoint ?
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20:54:33gevaertspamaury: the first question: yes. It should reply with a STALL until the condition is cleared
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20:57:58pamauryAnd what if the code stall control endpoint ?
20:58:07gevaertsfor the second, apparently usb_drv_cancel_all_transfers() is called from USB_REQ_SET_CONFIGURATION and USB_REQ_SET_ADDRESS. That means that the system has *always* just received an OUT control transfer, and the host is waiting for the ack (which is an empty packet), i.e. there should never actually be anything in progress
20:58:24amiconnTorne: The wakeup alarm powering off the device is a safety feature
20:59:15amiconnIf we don't do this, and the alarm fires while rockbox is still running, some targets latch up so they cannot be powered off anymore
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21:00:18pamaurygevaerts: yes but the cancel will stall the transfer no ? So the host will think there's an error.
21:00:32gevaertspamaury: it shouldn't stall anything
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21:01:30gevaertsjust tell the controller chip (which I guess is you in this case :) that the last request should be stopped
21:01:55pamauryI don't understand: "should be stopped" ?
21:02:27gevaertsi.e. for IN any data already sent to the controller shouldn't be sent out, and for OUT it shouldn't expect data anymore
21:02:59amiconnA possible solution would be to delay alarm setup, so that the alarm is never actually enabled while rockbox is running
21:03:05gevaertsi.e. it should behave as if not yet completed usb_drv_send() or usb_drv_receive() calls had not happened
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21:04:25*pamaury thinks it will leave it as a stub ;) And for stall control endpoint ?
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21:06:04pamauryBecause if the code stall control endpoint, the host has no wait to unstall it no ?
21:06:39gevaerts"For the Default Control Pipe, a device reset will ultimately be required to clear the halt or error condition if the next Setup PID is not accepted"
21:07:01gevaertsso yes, if you stall EP0, it remains stalled until bus reset
21:07:20pamauryOk
21:07:41CIA-9New commit by 03Creposucre (r24225): set the ipod volume on the ipod fm remote when the tuner is turned on. Also, prevents a looping execution of the set_mono command.
21:07:56*pamaury just thinks he forgot to clear stall status on bus reset ;)
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21:09:39n1samiconn: which targets have to do that?
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21:11:30amiconnI know that archos recorder fm/v2 do, as well as alarm modded recorder v1. I have no idea whether this was investigated on any other target
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21:15:01amiconnIt's related to how the rtc alarm performs the power-on action
21:15:23n1sthe beast doesn't need it at least, and it doesn't power down when setting the alarm so this is at least a manual bug
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21:16:38n1sonly thing that happens when alarm triggers while running is that we gaet an interrupt that is masked anyway
21:17:11n1sbut i agree that making it impossible to power off is bad ;)
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21:19:09amiconnProbably all targets using a PCF5060x PMU don't need that measure
21:20:38amiconnOn archos, the RTC doesn't trigger an interrupt iirc; the alarm just bridges the ON button using a transistor, until the alarm bit is cleared (manually, via i2c)
21:21:16n1syour suggestion about delaying the actual setting of the alarm to poweroff should work for all targets
21:21:37amiconnyup
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21:22:22amiconnIf we have proper shutdown serialisation one day, it could even be handled in a target dependent way in the rtc driver
21:22:47amiconnOn targets that need this protective measure, the driver would store the alarm time internally, and enable it on shutdown
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21:31:34n1sjust calling a rtc_shutdown function when powering off, should do it, no?
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21:37:23bertrikamiconn, what do you mean by proper shutdown serialisation?
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22:16:52amiconnbertrik: I mean that instead of having a global shutdown function and arbitrarily destroying threads, each thread should be responsible for its own housekeeping on shutdown
22:17:03amiconnThis is a necessity for proper suspend
22:17:36amiconnIt needs well-defined interdependency handling
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22:23:16CreposucreHi
22:25:29CreposucreZagor, B4gder: May I get developer rights, so I would be able to close bug reports please?
22:26:37B4gderCreposucre: done!
22:26:59Creposucretahnks a lot!
22:27:18Creposucre*thanks
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