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| 00:55:40 | Falco98 | anyone know if screen flip (i.e. 180deg rotation) is supported on the iPod targets? I remember quite clearly using it (just to mess around) on my iriver (h140), but I can't find the option on my iPod 5.5g 80gig... |
| 00:57:01 | CIA-9 | New commit by FlynDice (r24217): SansaAMS: Disable voltage scaling. ... |
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| 00:58:40 | JdGordon| | Falco98: it should be there... |
| 00:59:09 | Falco98 | i had no luck finding it under display or LCD options. am I looking in the wrong spot? |
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| 01:01:27 | JdGordon| | "upside down" under lcd options? |
| 01:02:06 | Falco98 | just checked lcd options on mine, i don't find that option listed |
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| 01:02:25 | JdGordon| | maybe its not on that target |
| 01:02:31 | JdGordon| | it is there on the mini2g though |
| 01:03:17 | Falco98 | interesting |
| 01:03:24 | Falco98 | no big deal, i was just wondering about it |
| 01:03:31 | Falco98 | it seems like it might be useful for the 5.5's also |
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| 01:05:15 | terrakok | hello! possible to port rockbox to the aria e6? |
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| 01:12:45 | terrakok | possible to port rockbox to the player on microchip ALI M7101 |
| 01:14:14 | FlynDice | clip+ firmware update seems to be available! |
| 01:16:00 | terrakok | and what? yes or no? |
| 01:16:32 | terrakok | sorry (i don't know english) |
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| 01:22:37 | JdGordon| | terrakok: (almost) anything is possible... someone just needs to do the work |
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| 01:23:06 | saratoga | clip+ firmware file has the same as3525 string as the Clipv2 |
| 01:24:54 | JdGordon| | I have a clip+ in peices if anyone wants it to experiment |
| 01:25:15 | terrakok | I'll do it. hope... |
| 01:25:54 | saratoga | is the ALI M7101 even a CPU? google says its a power management chip |
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| 01:26:56 | saratoga | i guess the same tricks used to patch the clipv2 should work on the clip+, just got to find a GPIO pin that can be used for dual booting |
| 01:27:47 | JdGordon| | is that guesswork? or there is a way to figure it out without defininte bricking? |
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| 01:28:59 | saratoga | JdGordon|: IIRC the trick used was to test each GPIO, and if its not pressed pause 10 seconds then boot the OF |
| 01:29:14 | saratoga | if it is pressed, boot straight to the OF |
| 01:29:31 | saratoga | then you mash buttons while booting until you find a GPIO thats mapped to a button |
| 01:29:48 | JdGordon| | sounds like fun :/ |
| 01:30:01 | saratoga | on the upside theres not too many GPIO on AMS |
| 01:30:21 | JdGordon| | dont the buttons go through the dbop thingy? |
| 01:30:37 | saratoga | a few do, but most don't |
| 01:30:48 | saratoga | and most DBOP pins can be read as GPIO too |
| 01:31:34 | saratoga | although the clip+ is so similar to the clipv2 maybe the button pins are the same |
| 01:31:48 | JdGordon| | that would be nice |
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| 01:33:47 | saratoga | maybe funman can be convinced to write up the procedure in the wiki or something |
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| 02:03:07 | Falco98 | is there any documentation on clearing all settings by using the hold switch on an ipod? |
| 02:03:24 | Falco98 | i ask only because i want to read the official word on it, after accidentally doing this to myself while trying to dual-boot a few days ago |
| 02:03:55 | Falco98 | (i flipped the hold switch like a millisecond too late, and RB itself told me it had "successfully cleared settings" or something similar) |
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| 02:53:37 | JdGordon1 | Falco98: probalby in the manual... thats indeed what was expected |
| 02:55:29 | Falco98 | i looked around in the manual. i believe you that it's in there, but i couldn't figure out what section to look in if so. |
| 02:55:51 | Falco98 | (and i checked a few.. finding no reference to it) |
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| 03:26:00 | CIA-9 | New commit by funman (r24218): amsinfo: support clip+ firmware format |
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| 03:52:01 | saratoga | what does the arm opcode "stmgtda" mean? |
| 03:52:06 | saratoga | i can't find any documentation for it |
| 03:54:13 | saratoga | i get STore Multiple Decriment After but have no idea what the GT does |
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| 03:55:21 | saratoga | oh conditional |
| 03:55:23 | saratoga | bah |
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| 04:05:32 | CIA-9 | New commit by funman (r24219): Add Sansa Clip+ target to test mkamsboot ... |
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| 04:06:41 | funman | JdGordon1: first thing you can do is see if mkamsboot bricks your Clip+ or not :) |
| 04:06:58 | JdGordon1 | that should be nice and doable |
| 04:07:03 | JdGordon1 | once i put it back together :p |
| 04:07:54 | funman | echo bootloader; /scramble -add=cli+ bootloader bootloader-clip+.bin |
| 04:09:25 | JdGordon1 | echo bootloader? |
| 04:09:35 | funman | echo > bootloader |
| 04:09:35 | funman | :) |
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| 04:10:28 | funman | i think you and mt have a clip+ |
| 04:10:56 | JdGordon1 | scramble or mkamsboot? |
| 04:12:09 | funman | you need a bootloader for mkamsboot, scramble will turn a file into the proper format for mkamsboot |
| 04:12:27 | funman | also you need to uncomment the Clip+ firmware checksum in mkamsboot.c |
| 04:13:07 | JdGordon1 | so scramble a file with random junk? |
| 04:13:48 | funman | yeah |
| 04:14:06 | funman | i don't think the Clip+ bootloader will even build |
| 04:14:30 | JdGordon1 | scramble did nothing to the file |
| 04:14:40 | JdGordon1 | i just did an svn up + make in tools |
| 04:14:42 | funman | but created another one |
| 04:15:17 | funman | scramble just adds 32 bit checksum and 32 bit ID to the file content (and outputs another file) |
| 04:15:26 | JdGordon1 | ah so it did |
| 04:16:00 | funman | bootloader-x.sansa is 8 bytes larger than bootloader.bin |
| 04:16:23 | JdGordon1 | 9 |
| 04:16:36 | funman | hm then there is something wrong |
| 04:17:41 | JdGordon1 | 7bytes and 16 bytes |
| 04:17:55 | funman | scramble align output on 32 bits so it's ok |
| 04:18:10 | Unhelpful | funman: if i want to play around on clipv2, should i be using the 12/31 patch, or is everything relevant in the chunk that went into svn? and, is it worth installing at all / is there anything i could do to help? |
| 04:18:49 | funman | Unhelpful: everything is in SVN, though i removed the dma diff I used for testing |
| 04:19:06 | JdGordon1 | ok, so next step? |
| 04:19:27 | funman | JdGordon1: mkamsboot clppa-orig.bin dualboot-clip+.bin clppa.bin |
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| 04:20:34 | funman | Unhelpful: installing the bootloader should run the test code in firmware/target/arm/as3525/sansa-clipv2/sd-clipv2.c : sd_transfer_sectors(), and show you where you can start :) |
| 04:21:52 | funman | basically i got some SD registers and some of their bits, but I don't know how to start data transfers |
| 04:22:20 | JdGordon1 | funman: dualboot-clip+.bin? |
| 04:22:31 | JdGordon1 | the one from scramble? |
| 04:22:31 | funman | JdGordon1: whatever scramble outputted |
| 04:22:49 | Unhelpful | ah. and i assume i can still get to the OF to be able to do things like install a new bootloader when there's further work? |
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| 04:23:15 | funman | Unhelpful: yes, you can dualboot with usb or left button just like on Clipv1 |
| 04:23:20 | JdGordon1 | ok, all patched |
| 04:23:28 | JdGordon1 | copy it on and prey it boots to OF? |
| 04:23:35 | funman | yeah |
| 04:23:38 | saratoga | at this point its probably not possible to brick your clipv2, at least not without changing the code in mkamsboot |
| 04:23:52 | saratoga | or maybe getting the sd driver working adn then scrambling the nand with it :) |
| 04:24:03 | JdGordon1 | funman: do i need to press any buttons or it defaults to of? |
| 04:24:23 | Unhelpful | well, as i got it cheap and have no need of it as a player... ;) |
| 04:24:36 | saratoga | yeah i got a clipv2 i don't have time for if anyone else wants it |
| 04:24:44 | funman | JdGordon1: defaults to OF, no button are known yet |
| 04:24:47 | Unhelpful | saratoga: woot? |
| 04:27:33 | JdGordon1 | grrrrr.... not connecting to usb |
| 04:27:39 | saratoga | yeah |
| 04:27:50 | funman | JdGordon1: is it configured for MTP ? |
| 04:28:58 | JdGordon1 | alriughty! |
| 04:29:59 | JdGordon1 | fuck, no surprise... i broke the battery connection |
| 04:30:57 | funman | be careful if the connection breaks while upgrade is in progress |
| 04:31:27 | JdGordon1 | im resoldering it before... |
| 04:31:29 | JdGordon1 | FUCK |
| 04:31:42 | JdGordon1 | umm.. ill power it from usb without connected to a pc |
| 04:32:13 | funman | but you need it powered after unplugging |
| 04:32:40 | JdGordon1 | upgrading... |
| 04:32:44 | funman | hm upgrade should start at next reboot if the file is present |
| 04:32:54 | JdGordon1 | it boots |
| 04:33:04 | funman | did you notice the delay ? |
| 04:33:44 | JdGordon1 | yes, and it definitly updated |
| 04:33:49 | JdGordon1 | firmware number changed |
| 04:33:53 | JdGordon1 | we are good to go :) |
| 04:33:55 | funman | nice! |
| 04:34:11 | JdGordon1 | im reassembling before going any further |
| 04:34:25 | funman | next step: add SANSA_CLIPPLUS to the CLIP/CLIPV2 case for USB_PIN |
| 04:34:47 | funman | you need to run make from mkamsboot/dualboot/ and copy dualboot.h & dualboot.c to ../ before rebuilding mkamsboot |
| 04:35:02 | Falco98 | would anyone have any objections to committing this patch? http://www.rockbox.org/tracker/task/10905 |
| 04:35:11 | Falco98 | it's only like 10 lines of code |
| 04:36:58 | saratoga | Unhelpful: maybe that patch concerns you? |
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| 04:39:28 | * | Unhelpful doesn't see any major problems with it after a brief look |
| 04:43:16 | JdGordon1 | right, I'm back together :) |
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| 04:46:41 | JdGordon1 | funman: where is USB_PIN? |
| 04:47:03 | funman | dualboot/dualboot.S:89 |
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| 04:47:46 | funman | mkamsboot/dualboot.{c,h} are built from mkamsboot/dualboot/dualboot.S , but committed so you don't need the cross compiler to build mkamsboot |
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| 04:47:53 | JdGordon1 | ok, add it to which? |
| 04:48:10 | funman | #elif defined(SANSA_CLIP) || defined(SANSA_CLIPV2) |
| 04:48:22 | funman | just add || defined(SANSA_CLIPPLUS) |
| 04:49:21 | JdGordon1 | do i need to make mkamsboot again? |
| 04:49:29 | * | JdGordon1 hasnt had dinner yet so is stupid :p |
| 04:49:40 | funman | yep: cd dualboot/; make; cp dualboot.c dualboot.h ../; cd ../; make |
| 04:52:04 | funman | so power through USB should be instant, and power through button take the additional delay |
| 04:52:58 | JdGordon1 | nada |
| 04:53:15 | funman | the delay is still there when plugging on usb ? |
| 04:53:31 | JdGordon1 | not turning on at all now |
| 04:53:56 | funman | hrm |
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| 04:54:19 | funman | :( |
| 04:54:48 | funman | the OF might rely on some value of GPIOA_DIR |
| 04:55:01 | JdGordon1 | well that was fun :p |
| 04:55:16 | funman | definitely a brick, battery connection is ok ? |
| 04:55:39 | JdGordon1 | even with no batt it should turn on with usb shouldnt it? |
| 04:55:46 | JdGordon1 | or is it all before the sansa logo? |
| 04:55:47 | funman | oh right |
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| 04:57:46 | funman | i'll leave a note in the forum |
| 04:58:02 | JdGordon1 | batt connection looks fine |
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| 04:59:30 | funman | to power down the Clipv2 you need to stay on power for 15 seconds or so |
| 04:59:39 | funman | did you check powering with the button only too ? |
| 04:59:58 | funman | ah well, that wouldn't change anything since it will branch to OF anyway |
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| 05:01:24 | JdGordon1 | ill try cpr, but not really having much hope |
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| 05:02:39 | Unhelpful | except that you don't need to do /* contributor */ really thanks to svn blame :) |
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| 05:12:48 | funman | I believe the aim was to track the diff while developping? I use another window to run svn diff |
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| 05:20:06 | Falco98 | I can't find documentation on this... when compiling for the 80gb ipod 5.5, which memory size do you select? I can't figure out whether it should be 32mb or 64mb |
| 05:20:48 | krazykit | 64 |
| 05:20:59 | krazykit | but 32 would work too |
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| 05:35:45 | JdGordon1 | Falco98: I actuallt have problems with that patch |
| 05:36:44 | JdGordon1 | also I have problems with those comments |
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| 05:51:22 | JdGordon1 | does http://www.rockbox.org/wiki/CustomWPS#Playlist_viewer_not_in_svn_just make any sense? |
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| 06:30:18 | funman | actually there are some differences in hardware init between clipv2 & clip+ |
| 06:33:24 | Falco98 | JdGordon1: what's your problem with it? |
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| 06:35:26 | Falco98 | the comments (in my patch, if that's what you were referring to) can be taken out before committing; they were just for record-keeping of what i was trying/changing. |
| 06:37:32 | funman | JdGordon1: still it's weird your clip+ is bricked, the OF explicitely clears bits which must be input |
| 06:37:46 | funman | and the register should be set to 0 at reset |
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| 06:40:39 | JdGordon1 | funman: well it seems very dead... pm me your addy and ill post it to you if you want to try fixing it |
| 06:41:11 | funman | i don't think i can do anything about it |
| 06:41:22 | funman | IMO it's not worth the post stamp |
| 06:41:49 | JdGordon1 | Falco98: well, 1) those comments are wasteful and totally redundant... and 2) why stop there? why not look for artist\title from the id3? or number - title? or any other of the million variations? |
| 06:42:54 | funman | Clip+ has the same SDRAM than Clipv2 |
| 06:44:16 | JdGordon1 | I tried the recovery mode thing from the clipv2 and dint have any luck last time i tried |
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| 06:46:27 | flyback | btw |
| 06:46:58 | funman | Clip+ has the same SD driver than Clipv2 |
| 06:47:07 | funman | JdGordon1: there's no recovery for Clipv2 |
| 06:47:34 | JdGordon1 | shorting two solder points on the sd chip or something |
| 06:47:48 | Falco98 | JdGordon1: i'm not exactly sure how those are objections. you could make the same arguments against any of the existing options, too. i implemented this because i actually expected it to work at first, wanted to use it that way, and didn't realize until afterwards that it didn't work in this way. |
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| 06:52:41 | JdGordon | S_a_i_n_t: i'm commiting the playlist viewer now.... any last suggestions for crucial tags to support? |
| 06:53:14 | Falco98 | i don't exactly see how incrementally making features more complete as users require them becomes a bad idea just because there are a ridiculously high number of other possible configurations... |
| 06:53:45 | funman | It looks like Clip+ use the SSP (Synchronous Serial Port) instead of DBOP for lcd |
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| 06:55:12 | lizzzy | Is the rockbox supported for Ipod classic now? |
| 06:55:27 | funman | lizzzy: if it's not written on www.rockbox.org, then no |
| 06:55:35 | lizzzy | :( |
| 06:56:58 | Falco98 | lizzzy: apple's greedy encryption is keeping serious efforts from taking place quite yet |
| 06:57:20 | Falco98 | though i hear there are some cracks forming, which may eventually lead to something usable on the newer ipods |
| 06:57:31 | Falco98 | but i wouldn't expect any of those anytime soon |
| 06:57:52 | lizzzy | oh |
| 06:57:53 | Falco98 | my best suggestion is to do what i did a few weeks ago, and snag an 80gig ipod video on ebay |
| 06:58:08 | Falco98 | (it works pretty well!) |
| 06:58:19 | lizzzy | I got it as a present like 2 years ago when it was first released. |
| 06:58:44 | lizzzy | I've been waiting since then for rockbox to support ipod classic |
| 06:58:53 | lizzzy | or atleast the ipodlinux |
| 06:59:08 | lizzzy | I don't wanna sell it coz' my dad gave it to me |
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| 07:00:30 | lizzzy | hmm.. Are there any pdf readers available for the ipod classic? |
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| 07:01:06 | funman | lizzzy: this is off topic for #rockbox , you can join #rockbox-community though |
| 07:01:15 | lizzzy | oh cool |
| 07:01:19 | lizzzy | thanks! |
| 07:02:41 | CIA-9 | New commit by jdgordon (r24220): FS #10898 - Add a playlist viewer to the WPS. http://www.rockbox.org/wiki/CustomWPS#Playlist_viewer for an exaplanation how to use it. |
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| 07:11:46 | funman | button routine of clip+ seems to be at 0x7988 |
| 07:13:13 | JdGordon | ah crud... stupid checkwps on the themesite doesnt pass with my demo wps :/ |
| 07:13:39 | JdGordon | eek.. 2K delta |
| 07:14:28 | funman | try setting GPIOB pin0 to 1, wait a bit, read GPIOA pins 1, 6, 7; GPIOC pins 1, 2, 3, 4, 5 |
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| 07:20:34 | JdGordon | WTF at the mr500sim yellow? |
| 07:24:23 | CIA-9 | New commit by jdgordon (r24221): Fix red and yellow. HWCODEC cant see the metadata for more than the next track so only show the filename there |
| 07:24:35 | funman | JdGordon: needs audio.h |
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| 07:26:38 | Falco98 | hmm.. every once in a while my ipod refuses to Safely Remove - anyone have a trick for how to tell which program is still allegedly using it? |
| 07:27:02 | funman | google for 'lsof windows' |
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| 07:27:37 | pixelma | depends on the length of the next track but true for a common music file (and gets more true with every commit such as this :\ ) |
| 07:28:03 | tomers | JdGordon: Hi, can you please update the manual (WPS tags section) with the playlist viewer feature? |
| 07:28:18 | pixelma | and is the release officially cancelled for this time? |
| 07:28:36 | funman | no |
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| 07:29:15 | pixelma | so why rush in a feature now? |
| 07:29:25 | funman | it isn't planned either |
| 07:30:33 | JdGordon | tomers: I don't know how to build the manual, and I outright cant to TeX... I've updated the wiki which should be plenty for someone to add to the manual |
| 07:30:37 | JdGordon | pixelma: hardly rushed |
| 07:30:38 | pixelma | aha. |
| 07:31:07 | pixelma | JdGordon: a few days in the forums isn't? |
| 07:31:21 | JdGordon | no |
| 07:31:43 | pixelma | 6 days |
| 07:32:02 | JdGordon | so? |
| 07:32:14 | Falco98 | has the ipod code recently changed to where USB mode is handled by the rockbox software itself? I just tried a bleeding-edge build and where it used to detect usb and reboot to the default firmware for USB, now it just sticks on the screen with a USB picture on it... |
| 07:32:28 | Falco98 | unless something has happened wrong on my player :P |
| 07:32:30 | tomers | JdGordon: OK, I'll try to do it myself |
| 07:32:49 | JdGordon | ta :) |
| 07:33:04 | tomers | but it will take some time (not much spare time ATM)... |
| 07:33:10 | JdGordon | toda even :) |
| 07:33:18 | * | JdGordon 's brain is slow this evening |
| 07:33:37 | pixelma | for me it feels like rushed - and if it wasn't you could have known that the patch didn't build on hwcodec |
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| 07:33:48 | pixelma | as it was |
| 07:33:57 | tomers | Oh, that's a good opportunity to raise the question regarding the duplicity of having WPS tags documented both in Wiki and in the manual. |
| 07:34:12 | JdGordon | pull it out of the manual imo |
| 07:34:42 | JdGordon | although, it should be somewhere more official than the wiki, but easier to update than the manual |
| 07:35:04 | tomers | The Wiki contains all the tags, while the target specific manual contains only relevant Wiki tags - it ignores tags which are ifdefed with defines it doesn't have |
| 07:35:58 | tomers | JdGordon: I think I agree with you. Maybe the manual should have a link to the Wiki page? I can't think of a proper solution for this problem |
| 07:36:28 | JdGordon | there is a wps editor which is half finished would be the logical place for this :) |
| 07:36:36 | pixelma | tomers: at DevCon 2008 it was agreed on having most info in the manual. The wiki is easier to update for anyone though, so CustomWPS is there as a convenience |
| 07:36:57 | JdGordon | does anyone know how to use the bloat-o-meter? |
| 07:37:04 | pixelma | for comvenience |
| 07:37:07 | tomers | Currently there are subtle differences between the manual and wiki for tags that are documented in both, while some other tags are missing from the manual. I don't think that there are tags that are only in the manual, but I haven't verified this. |
| 07:37:26 | funman | JdGordon: ./bloat-o-meter file1.elf file2.elf |
| 07:37:53 | tomers | JdGordon: What is bloat-o-meter? |
| 07:38:02 | JdGordon | its not in tools/ ? |
| 07:38:17 | JdGordon | its a program to show where bloat was added between builds |
| 07:38:20 | funman | tomers: a tool in utils/analysis to see the differences between 2 builds (where the size increase is located for example) |
| 07:38:32 | tomers | thanks |
| 07:39:56 | pixelma | tomers: I think it doesn't hurt to see all tags (and am a bit against this excluding in the manual), because it helps people understanding WPSs - maybe ones they are porting or so. Of course things should be marked as "not possible on target X (or e.g. monochrome screens or whatever)" |
| 07:40:13 | tomers | pixelma: I tried to synchronize the wiki and manual and found out many differences. I'm not a native English speaker, and my experience here regarding rephrasing, etc, is quite poor :-) so I am not going to do it myself, but I will try to add some missing tags, which I already started lately. For example, the FM Radio tags |
| 07:40:37 | pixelma | FM radio tags? |
| 07:40:54 | JdGordon | a tiny few were added |
| 07:40:59 | pixelma | just in SBSs I think, currently |
| 07:41:40 | JdGordon | I can't see why they are in the manual. The manual is too long already, adding them makes it appear bigger than it is, it should only be to teach the user how to use rockbox |
| 07:41:47 | tomers | pixelma: err... I meant recording screen tokens: http://www.rockbox.org/wiki/CustomWPS#Recording_Screen_tokens_currentl |
| 07:41:47 | JdGordon | themeing should be a seperate area |
| 07:41:49 | S_a_i_n_t | tomers: documentation of the %ax tag was/is terrible imo, or could be clmore clear at least :P |
| 07:42:11 | pixelma | tomers: same there (SBSs) |
| 07:43:18 | tomers | S_a_i_n_t: JdGordon wrote the documentation of %ax. Talk to him. I am planning on adding it to the manual soon, so now it's the time to fix it :-) |
| 07:43:28 | JdGordon | 250 bytes were added because get_line() was made public! |
| 07:43:58 | tomers | pixelma: I don't understand what you mean (SBSs) |
| 07:44:15 | JdGordon | SBS = custom statusbar |
| 07:44:30 | tomers | JdGordon: What about it? |
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| 07:52:08 | Spaceghost | Olympus M-Robe 500v |
| 07:52:10 | Spaceghost | Olympus M-Robe 500 |
| 07:52:16 | Spaceghost | that is full supported? |
| 07:52:20 | Spaceghost | the cam? and all? |
| 07:52:58 | JdGordon | the cam isnt supported at all |
| 07:53:05 | JdGordon | audio works on it though |
| 07:55:08 | S_a_i_n_t | JdGordon: regarding the pl-widget, well done! |
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| 07:57:28 | Space | sorry, JdGordon I lost my connection, the last that I could read was: |
| 07:57:34 | Space | <JdGordon> audio works on it though |
| 07:57:46 | Space | you or someone else said something more? |
| 07:57:54 | JdGordon | no |
| 07:58:09 | JdGordon | not about the mr500 anyway |
| 07:58:59 | * | S_a_i_n_t shall have some fun pissing-around with the playlist viewer tonight :D |
| 07:59:28 | S_a_i_n_t | try put up something simple for the nano's |
| 07:59:55 | Space | JdGordon, I need boot the original firmware to take photos? |
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| 08:00:01 | JdGordon | yes |
| 08:00:03 | tomers | Space: I can always use the log: http://www.rockbox.org/irc/log-today |
| 08:00:17 | tomers | s/I/you/ |
| 08:00:29 | Space | oh, I hadn't idea of that, thanks tomers |
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| 08:02:27 | funman | wouldn't the link to irc log be useful in the topic ? |
| 08:02:40 | Mode | "#rockbox +o funman " by ChanServ (ChanServ@services.) |
| 08:02:54 | Topic | "Rockbox 3.4 has been released! | Please read before speaking: http://www.rockbox.org/wiki/IrcGuidelines | Please direct offtopic/social chat to #rockbox-community | This channel is logged on http://www.rockbox.org/irc/log-today" by funman (n=fun@rockbox/developer/funman) |
| 08:03:00 | Space | :) |
| 08:03:10 | * | S_a_i_n_t :-D |
| 08:03:13 | funman | Also users will know they are 'monitored' |
| 08:03:39 | S_a_i_n_t | ...oh no, it's 'big brother' man... |
| 08:03:59 | funman | big rockboxer :) |
| 08:04:22 | S_a_i_n_t | our typo's can be used against us! |
| 08:05:04 | Space | je, I would say that |
| 08:06:49 | pixelma | tomers: that those tags regarding recording and radio can only be used in the custom statusbar file, the two screens themselves aren't skinnable |
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| 08:08:20 | tomers | pixelma: Thanks |
| 08:09:15 | Space | JdGordon, the touchscreen is supported? |
| 08:09:19 | * | JdGordon doesnt see the point in losing a good deal of functionality to reclaim only 100 bytes |
| 08:09:23 | JdGordon | Space: yes |
| 08:09:48 | JdGordon | but beware... its in a stupid grid mode by default, so read the manual to figure out how to put it in stylus mode |
| 08:09:53 | tomers | funman: The logs are going back to 2002 :-) BTW March-June 2002 logs are empty... |
| 08:10:20 | funman | the logbot probably went on strike :) |
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| 11:17:27 | JohannesSM64 | my iPod froze and holding down play/pause doesn't help. any way out? |
| 11:21:53 | dionoea | you need to hold down select+play |
| 11:22:11 | dionoea | or select+menu |
| 11:22:15 | gevaerts | in this case at least, not for a normal shutdown... |
| 11:22:20 | dionoea | (middle+top button if i'm not mistaken) |
| 11:23:32 | JohannesSM64 | thanks! |
| 11:23:57 | JohannesSM64 | the music db function is rather unstable :/ |
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| 12:36:18 | ShadoW- | I just wanna say thank you for your great software |
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| 13:13:57 | sinuc | is there any known issue related to life of battery on ipod nano 1. generation? the wiki etc says stable but i wonder since rockbox i get about 5 hours of music, usually i started the ipod in the morning and it ran til late evening.. any hints on how to check out whats wrong, or test the battery like in rockboxk compare to ipods default software or so |
| 13:14:02 | sinuc | ? |
| 13:21:25 | AlexP | Rockbox usually has similar or better battery life than the OF |
| 13:21:58 | AlexP | Reset all the Rockbox options to default, and see how long the battery lasts. Many of the advanced options in Rockbox will drain the battery quickly |
| 13:22:06 | AlexP | Then see how long the OF lasts, and compare |
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| 13:29:10 | sinuc | its not too much away from default settings but a different skin, font and language, will compare on the weekend. thanks for the reply |
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| 14:56:34 | mwarning | is rockbox available for the ipod nano 4th generation? |
| 14:56:43 | maruk | no |
| 14:56:47 | mwarning | :( |
| 14:57:14 | mwarning | will it be supported at some point in the future? |
| 14:59:54 | maruk | if someone found how to run custom code on nano4g and port rockbox, yes. Else no. |
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| 15:09:43 | GodEater | from what I understand there's an exploit in the nano4g which might make it possible to run custom code on it - but that's as far as the work has gone I think. No-one is interested in doing anything else at the moment. |
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| 17:32:46 | mwarning | is there an online petition to up the ipod nano (>4g)? |
| 17:34:59 | krazykit | a petition isn't very helpful for getting a port going. interested owners actually doing the hard work of porting will make it happen |
| 17:35:27 | mwarning | I meant a petition to apple |
| 17:35:40 | Torne | to do what? |
| 17:36:38 | Torne | they've had eight and a bit years to publish documentation or any other kind of help for people who want to replace the iPod firmware. They haven't. Why would they care about a petition? :) |
| 17:36:48 | mwarning | giving out the encryption information necessary to get alternative firmwares going. |
| 17:37:13 | krazykit | a few dozen people clicking "sign here" on some web page isn't going to convince apple of anything. |
| 17:37:40 | mwarning | krazykit, it's the best I can think about right now. |
| 17:37:40 | Torne | the linux4nano people have already broken the crypto for the nano 4g |
| 17:37:59 | gevaerts | Torne: in a usable way? |
| 17:38:08 | * | gevaerts hasn't really followed this |
| 17:38:08 | Torne | if they wanted people to be able to do this stuff why would they include the crypto in the first place? |
| 17:38:11 | Torne | gevaerts: i thought so |
| 17:38:12 | Torne | i may be wrong |
| 17:38:22 | Torne | iirc the latest 4g firmware kills the Notes exploit though |
| 17:38:45 | mwarning | I got my ipod nano today and experience the whole truckload of itunes cumbersomeness. (I use linux) |
| 17:39:59 | Torne | yeah, linux4nano wiki says the iBugger core runs on 4G now |
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| 17:40:38 | Torne | but 4g firmware 1.0.4 fixes the notes exploit |
| 17:40:48 | gevaerts | Torne: there's a second step though, getting code accepted by the in-flash bootloader |
| 17:41:11 | Torne | Ah, true |
| 17:41:16 | Torne | you could do a tethered boot tho :) |
| 17:41:32 | Torne | some slightly crazy people seem happy with that for iphone jailbreaks :) |
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| 17:42:48 | Torne | and that part is mostly a matter of tedious slogging disassembly, no? |
| 17:43:00 | Torne | rather than having to actually bruteforce the exploit address as is needed on most of the other models still :) |
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| 17:43:50 | gevaerts | not sure. IIRC the boot code does check signatures at least |
| 17:44:43 | Torne | i guess it depends whether the 4g boots in a similar way to the nano 2g, or in a similar way to the touch |
| 17:45:06 | Torne | anyway this is the limits of what i know so hey |
| 17:45:07 | mwarning | I hope the hardware is mostly the same |
| 17:45:16 | Torne | No, the hardware is very different |
| 17:45:24 | Torne | well, somewhat different |
| 17:45:26 | mwarning | :/ |
| 17:45:41 | Torne | the 4g is the same SoC as the 2G ipod touch |
| 17:46:18 | Torne | so, yeah, if you don't like itunes i suggest you take it back :) |
| 17:46:31 | Torne | buy something else |
| 17:46:46 | Lans | iPod Nano 1st gen; Rockbox has a sleep timer and a wake-up alarm, but they cancel eachother out (one cannot be active while the other is). Does this mean that i can't make the ipod stop playing after 20 minutes, and start playing (incrementally volume wise, if possible) at a set time, without touching the ipod in between both events? |
| 17:47:29 | Torne | i don't see why you shouldn't be able to use both at once.. |
| 17:47:46 | Torne | does it say that in the manual somewhere, or did it just not work when you tried it? |
| 17:47:56 | Lans | Neither do I, but quoting the manual: "Using this option disables the Sleep Timer." (for the wake-up alarm) |
| 17:48:16 | Torne | interesting |
| 17:48:47 | Lans | So i guess that means i can't use both at once? :( |
| 17:49:00 | Torne | No |
| 17:49:12 | Torne | it looks like the way it's coded means the only way to set the wake-up alarm is to turn the player off immediately |
| 17:49:30 | Torne | i don't know of any reason why it should *have* to be that way, though.. |
| 17:49:34 | Lans | It's things like this that i wish i knew how to code. |
| 17:49:45 | * | Torne has a look :) |
| 17:49:50 | Lans | that make me* wish |
| 17:50:52 | arbingordon | perhaps it was to annoy people |
| 17:51:05 | arbingordon | everybody wants to do that once in a while :) |
| 17:51:21 | Torne | we're supposed to have nobler motives than that :) |
| 17:51:35 | * | Lans laughs |
| 17:51:43 | arbingordon | but we're human, and don't :P |
| 17:52:56 | Torne | interestingly i can't find where the alarm code powers off. |
| 17:54:11 | Lans | The Wake-Up alarm shouldn't power off, should it? Can it run and look at a timer to see when it should start playing, when it's powered off? |
| 17:54:33 | Torne | yes, it powers it off |
| 17:54:43 | Torne | it's only supported on targets with an RTC which are able to wake the player up at a specified time |
| 17:54:49 | Lans | You're right according to the manual though, "Select confirms the alarm and shuts the player down, ..." |
| 17:54:52 | Torne | we set the RTC up and then turn off |
| 17:55:10 | Torne | and when the RTC turns us on again we do whatever the set action is, resuming playback or starting the radio etc |
| 17:55:15 | Torne | but i can't find the actual call that shuts the player down :) |
| 17:55:39 | Lans | It doesn't, apparetly. |
| 17:55:48 | Torne | it doesn't |
| 17:55:48 | Torne | ? |
| 17:55:49 | Lans | I just set the timer to wake up in 16 hours, and it's still running |
| 17:55:53 | Torne | Hmm |
| 17:56:10 | Torne | manual is wrong, then? |
| 17:56:12 | Lans | showing the "Time & Date submenu" |
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| 17:56:45 | Lans | I'm gonna try it tonight then, maybe they don't cancel eachother out after all? |
| 17:57:00 | Torne | you could try it now, surely? |
| 17:57:06 | Torne | set the alarm for 10 mins |
| 17:57:09 | Torne | and the sleep timer for 5 :) |
| 17:57:32 | Torne | i've never actually used either so i was just going by the manual |
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| 17:58:39 | Lans | 10 minute waiting time, it's playing right now, as it should. Should stop playing in 5 minutes, and then start playing again in 10, if the manual is incorrect, that is. |
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| 18:03:26 | Lans | it's now shut down. |
| 18:03:34 | Lans | ... 3 minutes into it. |
| 18:03:45 | Torne | there doesn't appear to be anything in the code for either to imply they are mutually exclusive |
| 18:04:02 | Torne | it doesn't disable the alarm when the sleep timer is set or when it expires and powers off, that i can see. |
| 18:04:05 | Torne | or vice versa. |
| 18:04:39 | Lans | So why'd the thing just power down prematurely? It was full of juice, so it hasn't run out of power. |
| 18:04:53 | Torne | i have no idea :) |
| 18:05:01 | Torne | Oh, was it idle? |
| 18:05:08 | Lans | No, it was playing music. |
| 18:05:25 | Torne | well, hm |
| 18:05:29 | Torne | see if it turns back on i guess :) |
| 18:05:41 | Torne | if it does then i guess that's unrelated |
| 18:07:06 | Lans | Hasn't yet, maybe the clock was just off by a couple of minutes. I didn't check the ipod clock against my pc clock, i just compared the ipod clock to my pc clock when the ipod shut down. Hopefully i just jumped to the wrong conclusion |
| 18:07:19 | Lans | Whups, just powered on again |
| 18:07:31 | Lans | That was definitely not 5 minutes |
| 18:07:37 | Torne | it isn't? |
| 18:07:46 | Lans | 18:03 to 18:07 |
| 18:07:49 | Torne | you said that at 17:07 by my clock, and you said it shut down at 17:03.. |
| 18:08:02 | Torne | Yah, with allowing for delays of human reactions that sounds like about five minuts |
| 18:08:14 | Torne | i suggest you check the clock :) |
| 18:08:28 | Torne | and/or test it properly. i dunno. |
| 18:08:35 | Torne | but it does seem like the manual is just wrong/outdated |
| 18:08:39 | Torne | and that actually this works fine |
| 18:08:42 | Torne | no? |
| 18:09:42 | Lans | Hope so, leaving the thing playing all night makes me dream weird shit. I mean really, jumping off of clouds of treebark into ponds of molten metal, weird. |
| 18:10:40 | Lans | But... F yeah! :D |
| 18:11:40 | Torne | yah, it looks like it used to power down immediately, but it was changed in 2005 :) |
| 18:11:54 | Lans | Shame about the lack of incremental volume's though. Falling asleep with loud arse music is hard, and waking up to soft arse music doubly so. |
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| 18:14:09 | Torne | The manual has a comment in the source that says "todo this isn't right for all targets i think" :) |
| 18:14:57 | Torne | i'll raise a bug on the manual, anyway |
| 18:15:16 | Lans | "this isn't right for all targets"...? whah? |
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| 18:18:08 | Torne | Lans: it used to work differently a long time ago when htere was only one target that supported the alarm |
| 18:18:18 | Torne | when the manual got updated whoever did it wasn't sure how it worked, i think :) |
| 18:18:21 | Torne | i've raised a bug |
| 18:18:34 | Torne | if you have a problem using it "in practise" come back and tell us :) |
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| 18:20:49 | Lans | Btw, congratulations on being one of the few actually nice people that i've met on zhe interwebs. Rock on, Torne. |
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| 18:21:02 | Willy | sorry if stupid question, but will I have any problems with Rockbox if I switch to Windows 7 64 bit? |
| 18:21:35 | arbingordon | don't think so |
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| 18:22:16 | arbingordon | but it might depend on you're pmp and such |
| 18:22:59 | Torne | Willy: You shouldn't, no. We implement USB mass storage in a perfectly standard way |
| 18:23:36 | Willy | ok. Thanks you :) |
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| 18:57:07 | webguest44 | guys dont call me crazy ^^ |
| 18:57:17 | webguest44 | but its there anyway to port rockbox to iphone |
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| 18:57:52 | webguest44 | ? |
| 18:57:59 | JdGordon | you crayzee! |
| 18:58:31 | webguest44 | dude i just want to know if i can help to port rockbox into the iphone |
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| 18:59:35 | topik | shouldn't be much of a problem. find a way to run custom stuff on an iphone, port rockbox yourself, done |
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| 19:02:43 | webguest44 | if u tell me what i need to have to done it |
| 19:02:59 | webguest44 | i mean i still at the beginning of porting things so a help would be nice is somebody want to help |
| 19:03:45 | topik | you will need a way to replace the firmware on an apple device with rockbox. there is no such way known |
| 19:04:21 | JdGordon | the agreed way to do a phone port is to get rockbox running as an app... not as a firmware replacement |
| 19:04:24 | webguest44 | well i think there must be a way to run a emulator to run rockbox coz look i know that iphone can run windows 95 |
| 19:04:35 | webguest44 | jdgordon right |
| 19:04:50 | webguest44 | thats what i think about thats why i think a emulator should be able to done |
| 19:05:43 | arbingordon | well, couldn't rockbox be made into a "free" app? |
| 19:05:48 | topik | a native app is probably "easier" |
| 19:06:03 | arbingordon | ^thats what I mean |
| 19:06:14 | topik | rockbox-as-an-app is often discussed, but never done |
| 19:06:41 | webguest44 | we need to get a team toghter to done that well i am sorry that my english is not the best ^^ |
| 19:06:43 | topik | perhaps you can get the simulator built for iphone |
| 19:06:44 | arbingordon | that's because none of the devs will enough to do it |
| 19:07:03 | webguest44 | how much devs we would need |
| 19:07:53 | arbingordon | idk, i don't think it'd be that many or that hard |
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| 19:08:18 | webguest44 | well if i can do anything to get this startet i would love to help |
| 19:08:23 | arbingordon | as topik said, if the simulator could be ported to an iphone app, that'd be easier than CFW for the iphone |
| 19:08:52 | webguest44 | i know they have done a Nintendo DS Simulator for iphone |
| 19:08:58 | webguest44 | maybe the same can done with rockbox |
| 19:09:11 | arbingordon | i think that's different |
| 19:09:20 | saratoga | webguest44: setup the tools to develop for the iphone, try to compile the rockbox sim, and then write whatever code is needed to get it running |
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| 19:10:13 | webguest44 | well saratoga i think i would take time but if people is ready to work on it it would be great |
| 19:10:20 | webguest44 | coz who dosent love rockbox here :D |
| 19:10:33 | webguest44 | and i miss the custom eq from rockbox :( |
| 19:10:42 | saratoga | webguest44: get something working and I'm sure other people will take interest |
| 19:11:42 | webguest44 | well i gonna say it right away here i am a beginner at codings but i still try to get it to work but first i need to get the setup tools for develop for iphone |
| 19:11:43 | topik | seems that thinks like SDL are ported to iphone/sdk already |
| 19:11:52 | topik | things even |
| 19:12:28 | arbingordon | http://developer.apple.com/iphone/ |
| 19:13:19 | topik | objective-c sounds scary |
| 19:13:45 | arbingordon | it is |
| 19:14:02 | arbingordon | worse than the boogeyman |
| 19:14:37 | webguest44 | oh year |
| 19:14:45 | webguest44 | that gonna be funny to done that onw indows |
| 19:14:51 | topik | would make for a nice gsoc project ... rockbox as an (iphone) app |
| 19:15:27 | arbingordon | topik: as it is now, isnt the rockbox sim capable of running on mac osx? |
| 19:15:52 | webguest44 | that would be the first step |
| 19:15:58 | webguest44 | i think it can be r un only on win ? |
| 19:16:06 | saratoga | it runs on MacOS |
| 19:16:09 | topik | it does yes |
| 19:16:20 | saratoga | most of us don't even develop in Windows |
| 19:16:26 | GodEater | it runs on linux too |
| 19:16:38 | arbingordon | i thought most of you are commies running loonix :P |
| 19:16:56 | webguest44 | i got a pc not a mac but i got on my second drive i got leopard running on my intel ^^ |
| 19:16:57 | GodEater | there is something to decide before you even start the port to the iphone |
| 19:17:08 | GodEater | do you want it to be available by the appstore or not? |
| 19:17:19 | GodEater | it is unlikely, in my view though, that Apple would allow it |
| 19:17:25 | webguest44 | nope only over cydia |
| 19:17:39 | webguest44 | coz i am sure apple dosent gonna allow rockbox via appstore |
| 19:17:51 | arbingordon | why not? |
| 19:18:00 | GodEater | because it plays music |
| 19:18:06 | pamaury | :) |
| 19:18:11 | webguest44 | and it got a custom eq |
| 19:18:20 | GodEater | apple do not let apps into the store which replace existing functionality |
| 19:18:21 | webguest44 | and like u know apple dosent have that ^^ |
| 19:18:26 | pamaury | Apple won't allow a software which is direct concurrent |
| 19:18:30 | arbingordon | elaborate? (i know apples not that great, but i dont think they suck that much) |
| 19:18:39 | GodEater | they suck massively |
| 19:18:45 | arbingordon | i know |
| 19:18:46 | webguest44 | for real eater |
| 19:18:52 | * | pamaury like moderate opinions on apple |
| 19:18:58 | arbingordon | but that's like not allowing audacity on mac osx :( |
| 19:19:05 | topik | they suck moderately too, pamaury |
| 19:19:33 | webguest44 | somebody speak german here ? |
| 19:19:42 | topik | no, it's not allowed |
| 19:19:46 | topik | so nobody dares |
| 19:20:12 | webguest44 | well guys right now i dont have osx running on my intel |
| 19:20:22 | webguest44 | so if somebody want to join and help to get this thing started |
| 19:20:33 | webguest44 | it would be great for a 2010 Rockbox Project |
| 19:20:35 | GodEater | you can develop from linux too |
| 19:20:44 | webguest44 | Knoppix ? |
| 19:21:03 | GodEater | well, you need a writable file system to install the SDK |
| 19:21:09 | GodEater | so a livecd probably isn't the best approach |
| 19:21:15 | topik | cross compiling the osx version on linux? |
| 19:21:24 | topik | that will probably be frustrating exercise |
| 19:21:34 | GodEater | why? |
| 19:21:36 | webguest44 | i can still install the live cd on my pc so that would probely work |
| 19:21:54 | topik | you'd still need to test it in osx |
| 19:22:02 | GodEater | again, why? |
| 19:22:35 | topik | you'd compile on linux, transfer it to your iphone and test there? |
| 19:22:41 | GodEater | it's what I'd do |
| 19:22:53 | GodEater | if I still had an iphone |
| 19:22:55 | GodEater | :) |
| 19:23:12 | GodEater | which reminds me, I have about 2 gig of disc space I can free up by deleting the SDK! |
| 19:23:19 | arbingordon | hehe |
| 19:23:29 | arbingordon | 2GB? |
| 19:23:34 | webguest44 | like i sad i am a beginner not a pro like some guys here |
| 19:23:36 | topik | if taking the osx sim as a start, i would imagine being able to test it on osx would be benificial |
| 19:23:41 | webguest44 | and i got a big respekt for the work they done |
| 19:23:50 | webguest44 | so i still i hope ic an get help here |
| 19:24:03 | arbingordon | that's the size of VB .net 2005 & visual studio 6.0 combined |
| 19:24:13 | topik | there's a lot of reading you can do first, webguest44, like http://www.rockbox.org/wiki/UiSimulator |
| 19:24:14 | GodEater | topik: possibly yes, but that would mean owning OSX |
| 19:24:39 | GodEater | which I, and virtually every other Rockbox hacker does not have |
| 19:24:51 | topik | yeah i get that |
| 19:24:55 | GodEater | it's why we have the most difficulty keeping the OSX version of RBUtil up to date |
| 19:25:51 | webguest44 | The simulator will build and run on Mac OS X, linked with libSDL 1.2.9. There are still problems with sound output. i dont think its gonna be easy |
| 19:25:55 | webguest44 | to port that |
| 19:26:08 | topik | you have to start somewhere |
| 19:26:34 | webguest44 | first u guys need to look for the sound output problem |
| 19:26:39 | GodEater | no we don't |
| 19:26:47 | arbingordon | webguest44: its easier than making your own hack for the iphone or something |
| 19:26:50 | GodEater | any sound issues are in libSDL |
| 19:27:12 | arbingordon | or building all your libraries yourself |
| 19:27:22 | webguest44 | @arbingordon u got msn or aim |
| 19:27:31 | arbingordon | nope |
| 19:27:47 | arbingordon | i suck at programming, so its no real loss ;) |
| 19:28:31 | webguest44 | well i hope to get help here and how much other devs have iphones here ^^ |
| 19:28:40 | GodEater | virtually none |
| 19:28:51 | GodEater | all the people that did have them have recently got rid of them |
| 19:29:03 | topik | virtually none is that like having a simulator? |
| 19:29:09 | GodEater | :) |
| 19:30:29 | GodEater | let me put it this way, I can think of only two people here that have an iphone |
| 19:30:31 | GodEater | and only one of them is a programmer |
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| 19:30:32 | GodEater | :) |
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| 19:30:54 | arbingordon | while people are talking, any likeliness of an xvid avi player? |
| 19:31:04 | SteWieH | ok Im sorry Im asaking yet MORE questions.. I got rockbox installed but is there a shuffle function around on it somewheres? |
| 19:31:15 | GodEater | SteWieH: have you read the manual ? |
| 19:31:24 | SteWieH | cant seem to find it. I may be having an id10t error.. |
| 19:31:30 | GodEater | arbingordon: no more or less likliness than any other feature |
| 19:31:31 | SteWieH | theres a manuel for it? |
| 19:31:34 | GodEater | yes |
| 19:31:41 | GodEater | it's linked on the rockbox web site |
| 19:31:42 | arbingordon | check your models manual |
| 19:31:43 | GodEater | on the right |
| 19:31:46 | GodEater | called "manual" |
| 19:31:58 | webguest44 | great so only me and the other guy with a iphone here |
| 19:32:19 | webguest44 | i really hope that people dont give up rockbox |
| 19:32:19 | GodEater | webguest44: you've arrived too late |
| 19:32:33 | topik | perhaps finding a place where iphone developers hang and suggesting a rockbox project there gets you started quicker |
| 19:32:49 | GodEater | good luck with that |
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| 19:32:56 | topik | that's friendly of you :) |
| 19:32:57 | webguest44 | first i think that here would be the right place coz |
| 19:33:00 | GodEater | the irc channels with iphone developers in are horrible |
| 19:33:07 | topik | initially all your problems will be iphone development related |
| 19:33:21 | GodEater | webguest44: here is almost never the right place to suggest a new port |
| 19:33:27 | GodEater | all the people here HAVE rockbox devices already |
| 19:33:31 | GodEater | they don't really need new ones |
| 19:33:32 | arbingordon | GodEater: it might be that irc protocols and trademarks aren't owned by apple |
| 19:33:42 | GodEater | arbingordon: huh? |
| 19:33:43 | webguest44 | ^^ hope so |
| 19:33:49 | arbingordon | nevermind |
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| 19:35:19 | GodEater | let me be clear, we would LOVE to see Rockbox running as an app on an iphone. But the chances of someone that is already here starting that port are slim to none. |
| 19:35:38 | arbingordon | i wonder, what about the google android thing? |
| 19:35:44 | GodEater | ditto for that |
| 19:35:57 | GodEater | having just bought a Nexus One, I'd love to see it running there :) |
| 19:36:19 | webguest44 | Nexus is awsome :D |
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| 19:36:39 | arbingordon | they give you some nice hardware under the hood i presume? |
| 19:36:45 | Zagor | me too. I was supremely frustrated by the sucky default android music player the other day |
| 19:37:33 | GodEater | Zagor: have you done any investigation into getting native code running on it? |
| 19:37:40 | GodEater | or is still all java stuff? |
| 19:37:50 | Zagor | GodEater: no, there's a native sdk now. |
| 19:37:54 | GodEater | arbingordon: much better hardware than in an iphone :) |
| 19:38:03 | GodEater | Zagor: that presents certain challenges then! |
| 19:38:04 | Zagor | so it shouldn't be too hard |
| 19:38:14 | * | GodEater re-reads |
| 19:38:17 | arbingordon | so what, 1+gHz in there? |
| 19:38:19 | scorche|sh | emphasis on "shouldnt" ;) |
| 19:38:27 | GodEater | Zagor: well volunteered :) |
| 19:38:32 | GodEater | arbingordon: yes 1Ghz |
| 19:38:34 | scorche|sh | arbingordon: this should probably be taken to some sort of off-topic channel |
| 19:38:46 | GodEater | scorche|sh: why? We're talking about a rockbox port! |
| 19:38:53 | Zagor | the big work other than basic driver porting is doing a proper touch-only interface. |
| 19:39:18 | Zagor | our d2 touch stuff isn't very friendly |
| 19:39:22 | GodEater | yeah, I guess the D2 stuff isn't that portable |
| 19:39:31 | arbingordon | wonder if it was optimized it could handle x264 video on it |
| 19:39:42 | GodEater | I'm sure shotofadds would welcome help there |
| 19:40:11 | GodEater | arbingordon: the common misconception with video codecs is that they'd "just play" if the DAP supported the codec |
| 19:40:19 | GodEater | this is not true - they still need to resized |
| 19:40:25 | arbingordon | naturally |
| 19:40:27 | Zagor | arbingordon: nexus1 does H.264 AVC |
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| 19:40:57 | arbingordon | yea, looking over the wikipage |
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| 19:49:42 | saratoga | Zagor: is it easy to run native code on the Nexus One (e.g. SDL)? |
| 19:50:05 | Zagor | I don't know, I haven't looked at it yet. I just know it exists. |
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| 19:53:00 | Zagor | http://sdlonandroid.git.sourceforge.net/git/gitweb.cgi?p=sdlonandroid/sdlonandroid;a=tree |
| 19:53:17 | GodEater | that's a start :) |
| 19:53:48 | SteWieH | hrm i cant get a playlist to save |
| 19:53:55 | SteWieH | this is going to cause issues |
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| 19:55:03 | SteWieH | if I make a playlist with Itunes can rockbox see it? |
| 19:55:19 | JdGordon| | if its a m3u or m3u8 it can |
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| 19:56:17 | SteWieH | well rockbox is saving playlists then mysteriouslly not seeing them |
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| 19:57:08 | GodEater | because you have your file view settings set to "Music" properly |
| 19:57:12 | GodEater | you should change the setting to "Supported" |
| 19:57:17 | GodEater | and then the playlists will show up |
| 19:57:25 | SteWieH | hrm |
| 19:57:36 | SteWieH | to many settings to set up when they should be on by default |
| 19:58:21 | GodEater | "Supported" is the default iirc |
| 19:58:33 | pixelma | think so too |
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| 20:02:46 | SteWieH | show files is supposed to be supported and not music? |
| 20:03:56 | JdGordon| | yes |
| 20:04:22 | JdGordon| | well, if you want to see files other than music files only |
| 20:04:55 | GodEater | we ship rockbox with that setting at "Supported", so if your ipod has it as "Music" it's because you changed it. |
| 20:05:05 | SteWieH | gr |
| 20:05:12 | SteWieH | Its still not seeing my playlists |
| 20:05:32 | JdGordon| | where did you save them? |
| 20:05:43 | SteWieH | even fi I click on "create Playlist" and then on "save playlist" it still wont see any playlists |
| 20:06:20 | GodEater | and what did you call them? |
| 20:06:36 | JdGordon| | settings > general settings > file view > "show files" |
| 20:06:39 | SteWieH | w/e rockbox called them |
| 20:06:41 | JdGordon| | change that to supported |
| 20:06:46 | SteWieH | I already did |
| 20:07:30 | pixelma | weren't you lead to the virtual keyboard for naming the file? |
| 20:07:53 | GodEater | we don't save playlists without going to the virtual keyboard do we? |
| 20:08:30 | SteWieH | pixelma if I click on save yes |
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| 20:08:43 | pixelma | I think if you create a playlist of all, you'll automatically get a root.m3u8 |
| 20:08:48 | SteWieH | it was named dynamic.m3ua |
| 20:08:58 | JdGordon| | m3ua? |
| 20:09:08 | GodEater | well that'll be why it's not showing... |
| 20:09:11 | JdGordon| | if they a got added it wont be supported |
| 20:09:15 | SteWieH | it was named dynamic.m3u8 |
| 20:09:15 | SteWieH | * |
| 20:09:30 | pixelma | SteWieH: and did you press the correct "accept" button in the virtual keyboard? |
| 20:09:40 | SteWieH | I have nfi tbh |
| 20:09:49 | SteWieH | I dont knwo what the accept button is tbh |
| 20:10:07 | JdGordon| | the play button |
| 20:10:23 | SteWieH | then yes |
| 20:10:26 | pixelma | depends on the target... and is explained in the manual |
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| 20:10:37 | SteWieH | and whe I go to view playlist it says "no playlists" |
| 20:10:50 | SteWieH | it cant even find the root.m3u8 either |
| 20:11:48 | JdGordon| | the playlist catalog defaults to a different location than where they are saved |
| 20:11:56 | JdGordon| | put your playlists in /Playlists |
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| 20:12:33 | pixelma | the dynamic.m3u8 are saved in the root of your player - so top level if you browse files |
| 20:13:02 | pixelma | if I remember correctly |
| 20:13:11 | SteWieH | hrm |
| 20:13:22 | SteWieH | k i moved my root playlist over to the playlist folder |
| 20:13:32 | GodEater | should we default to adding /Playlists/ at the start of the path name in the virtual keyboard when saving a new playlist? |
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| 20:13:45 | SteWieH | maybe |
| 20:13:55 | SteWieH | make it a tad more nub friendly -_-` |
| 20:14:37 | JdGordon| | GodEater: I seem to remember a rather heated argument about that when it was brought up on the tracker |
| 20:14:57 | JdGordon| | but yes, we shuold |
| 20:15:11 | SteWieH | hrm k i got the root playlist to show up |
| 20:15:36 | JdGordon| | FS #8940 |
| 20:15:38 | SteWieH | now I gotta figure out how to get them to play |
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| 20:17:40 | SteWieH | there we go |
| 20:17:53 | SteWieH | loaded the playlist and just had to go to resume playback >< sorry |
| 20:18:04 | JdGordon| | GodEater: I would very much be in favour of moving the default playlist location to the catalog, but its not something I use so if someone else wants to push for that patch to go in good, otherwise meh |
| 20:18:21 | JdGordon| | SteWieH: it didnt start automatically? |
| 20:18:34 | SteWieH | No |
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| 20:19:13 | SteWieH | if I shut it down should it reload the playlist automatically? |
| 20:19:20 | JdGordon| | yes |
| 20:19:27 | JdGordon| | RTFM :) |
| 20:19:32 | SteWieH | will it reshuffle the songs each time as well? |
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| 20:24:59 | SteWieH | also cool that it tells you what song it will play next |
| 20:25:00 | GodEater | no, they remain in the same shuffled order unless you re-shuffle them manually |
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| 20:25:46 | SteWieH | ug |
| 20:26:00 | SteWieH | that be hella annoying |
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| 20:26:12 | JdGordon| | it resumes playback from where you stopped |
| 20:26:17 | JdGordon| | it doesnt start again from the begining |
| 20:26:43 | JdGordon| | http://www.rockbox.org/manual.shtml |
| 20:27:00 | GodEater | yeah, seriously, go and read that |
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| 20:31:28 | * | SteWieH looks through the manuel to figure out stuyff then |
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| 20:48:55 | * | gevaerts is a bit late for the discussion, but he can't help pointing out that he has the sim running on his phone |
| 20:50:06 | pamaury | time to bother gevaerts with questions ! Hopefully I only have a few of them. |
| 20:50:56 | pamaury | gevaerts: first, when a driver stall an endpoint, should this endpoint reject all transfers on the endpoint until it is unstalled ? What happened when the control endpoint is stalled ? |
| 20:51:25 | pamaury | Second, what usb_drv_cancel_all_transfers() is suppose to do regarding the pending transfer on control endpoint ? |
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| 20:54:33 | gevaerts | pamaury: the first question: yes. It should reply with a STALL until the condition is cleared |
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| 20:57:58 | pamaury | And what if the code stall control endpoint ? |
| 20:58:07 | gevaerts | for the second, apparently usb_drv_cancel_all_transfers() is called from USB_REQ_SET_CONFIGURATION and USB_REQ_SET_ADDRESS. That means that the system has *always* just received an OUT control transfer, and the host is waiting for the ack (which is an empty packet), i.e. there should never actually be anything in progress |
| 20:58:24 | amiconn | Torne: The wakeup alarm powering off the device is a safety feature |
| 20:59:15 | amiconn | If we don't do this, and the alarm fires while rockbox is still running, some targets latch up so they cannot be powered off anymore |
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| 21:00:18 | pamaury | gevaerts: yes but the cancel will stall the transfer no ? So the host will think there's an error. |
| 21:00:32 | gevaerts | pamaury: it shouldn't stall anything |
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| 21:01:30 | gevaerts | just tell the controller chip (which I guess is you in this case :) that the last request should be stopped |
| 21:01:55 | pamaury | I don't understand: "should be stopped" ? |
| 21:02:27 | gevaerts | i.e. for IN any data already sent to the controller shouldn't be sent out, and for OUT it shouldn't expect data anymore |
| 21:02:59 | amiconn | A possible solution would be to delay alarm setup, so that the alarm is never actually enabled while rockbox is running |
| 21:03:05 | gevaerts | i.e. it should behave as if not yet completed usb_drv_send() or usb_drv_receive() calls had not happened |
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| 21:04:25 | * | pamaury thinks it will leave it as a stub ;) And for stall control endpoint ? |
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| 21:06:04 | pamaury | Because if the code stall control endpoint, the host has no wait to unstall it no ? |
| 21:06:39 | gevaerts | "For the Default Control Pipe, a device reset will ultimately be required to clear the halt or error condition if the next Setup PID is not accepted" |
| 21:07:01 | gevaerts | so yes, if you stall EP0, it remains stalled until bus reset |
| 21:07:20 | pamaury | Ok |
| 21:07:41 | CIA-9 | New commit by Creposucre (r24225): set the ipod volume on the ipod fm remote when the tuner is turned on. Also, prevents a looping execution of the set_mono command. |
| 21:07:56 | * | pamaury just thinks he forgot to clear stall status on bus reset ;) |
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| 21:09:39 | n1s | amiconn: which targets have to do that? |
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| 21:11:30 | amiconn | I know that archos recorder fm/v2 do, as well as alarm modded recorder v1. I have no idea whether this was investigated on any other target |
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| 21:15:01 | amiconn | It's related to how the rtc alarm performs the power-on action |
| 21:15:23 | n1s | the beast doesn't need it at least, and it doesn't power down when setting the alarm so this is at least a manual bug |
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| 21:16:38 | n1s | only thing that happens when alarm triggers while running is that we gaet an interrupt that is masked anyway |
| 21:17:11 | n1s | but i agree that making it impossible to power off is bad ;) |
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| 21:19:09 | amiconn | Probably all targets using a PCF5060x PMU don't need that measure |
| 21:20:38 | amiconn | On archos, the RTC doesn't trigger an interrupt iirc; the alarm just bridges the ON button using a transistor, until the alarm bit is cleared (manually, via i2c) |
| 21:21:16 | n1s | your suggestion about delaying the actual setting of the alarm to poweroff should work for all targets |
| 21:21:37 | amiconn | yup |
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| 21:22:22 | amiconn | If we have proper shutdown serialisation one day, it could even be handled in a target dependent way in the rtc driver |
| 21:22:47 | amiconn | On targets that need this protective measure, the driver would store the alarm time internally, and enable it on shutdown |
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| 21:31:34 | n1s | just calling a rtc_shutdown function when powering off, should do it, no? |
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| 21:37:23 | bertrik | amiconn, what do you mean by proper shutdown serialisation? |
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| 22:16:52 | amiconn | bertrik: I mean that instead of having a global shutdown function and arbitrarily destroying threads, each thread should be responsible for its own housekeeping on shutdown |
| 22:17:03 | amiconn | This is a necessity for proper suspend |
| 22:17:36 | amiconn | It needs well-defined interdependency handling |
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| 22:23:16 | Creposucre | Hi |
| 22:25:29 | Creposucre | Zagor, B4gder: May I get developer rights, so I would be able to close bug reports please? |
| 22:26:37 | B4gder | Creposucre: done! |
| 22:26:59 | Creposucre | tahnks a lot! |
| 22:27:18 | Creposucre | *thanks |
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