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#rockbox log for 2010-01-16

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01:37:31drf|laptopSo guys. I just bought a refurbished Sansa Fuze... and just opened it, and it's firmware version 2. Does that mean it's the same as a stock v2?
01:37:49drf|laptopI dunno if they mix and match hardware when refurbishing or what, as I've heard stories about people getting v1s from the refurbs etc
01:38:46mc2739drf|laptop: if the firmware version starts with 2 then it is a v2 and Rockbox will not run on it
01:39:39drf|laptopThat's now the fourth Fuze I got that was v2
01:40:00drf|laptopso v1s cannot be "updated" to v2 firmware?
01:40:28mc2739no, they have different hardware
01:40:50drf|laptopyeah but I mean, if I were to get a v1... and run Sansa Updater... it would still start with a 1?
01:41:53drf|laptopI had read that a good majority of reburbished ones were the v1 hardware and this one isn't
01:43:26soapThe v2 has been out long enough now that I actually would expect few v1s to remain in the refurb chain.
01:43:45drf|laptopwell, the reviews I read were only about a month old
01:43:59drf|laptopis there any physical reason Rockbox can't run on v2s, or have the developers just not figured it out yet?
01:44:06drf|laptopas I know the e200v2 used to not work and now it more or less does?
01:44:20soapthey have different hardware.
01:44:25drf|laptopI realize that
01:44:35drf|laptopbut is that hardware locked in such a way that Rockbox physically be installed to it?
01:44:42drf|laptopor have they just not ported it yet
01:45:00mc2739work cannot really be started on it until a firmware update is released
01:45:23drf|laptopoh, so you guys use the official firmware files to port Rockbox?
01:45:38drf|laptopwait, wait... I swear I had a firmware file from it
01:45:38drf|laptopthe /v2
01:45:49drf|laptopit was that BIN file the v1s have, only it wasn't on a v1 :
01:46:16soapThey are not _needed_, but it is hard to blindly figure out how to get firmware "accepted" buy the hardware without watching how the official system does it, sometimes.
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01:46:56drf|laptopwell, does it need to be an *update*, or would just the firmware files be enough?
01:54:23mc2739it does not need to be an update in all cases, but with the new Sansas, we need the update.
01:55:33drf|laptopwhat do you guys do with the update?
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01:56:32mc2739it is used to install the Rockbox bootloader
01:56:46drf|laptopusing their updater you mean?
01:57:19mc2739no, not the updater, but the update file
01:57:33drf|laptopthe update file is different than just the bin file on the device?
01:58:33drf|laptopIs that really the only difference between v1 and v2 is the firmware? I know the hardware is different but what effect does that have on Rockbox itsoelf?
01:58:54gevaertsnot much. Only that it doesn't work
01:59:13mc2739parts of Rockbox need to be rewritten for the different hardware
01:59:46drf|laptopbut the main thing you guys are waiting for is a firmware update?
02:00:19Unhelpfuldrf|laptop: clearly if you know the hardware is different, then you know that the firmware is not "the only difference"
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02:00:35gevaerts"we" are not waiting for anything. You'd have to ask the people who are actually interested on working on it
02:00:59mc2739the initial work has been started, but without the update, there is no way to load the code onto the device
02:01:10drf|laptopwell I'm debating whether to just keep this v2 and wait or if it's not gonna work anytime soon and I should keep looking for v1s
02:02:06mc2739you may have to wait a long time - the is no guarantee that Rockbox will ever run on the Fuze v2
02:02:38drf|laptopI'm just annoyed at how hard those v1s are to find... I bought an e200 after those had been out for a couple years and it worked fine (refurbished)
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03:16:56endlesswonderdoes rockbox work with ipod classic?
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03:18:36endlesswonderhi saratoga
03:18:45endlesswonderhave a question for us?
03:20:04*endlesswonder yawns :Oo
03:20:29saratogaendlesswonder: this is an on topic channel, if you want to chat, try rockbox-community
03:20:45Unhelpfulendlesswonder: supported devices are at on the front page, and saratoga is one of the devs, so i expect he can answer his own questions for the most part, or has somebody in particular in mind if he has a question to ask :)
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03:21:49jpt9Woot has Sansa Clips. How well does Rockbox work on them?
03:22:00saratogathey're probably V2s, so not at all
03:22:13drf|laptopis it Clip+?
03:22:16jpt9I thought *all* clips were V2s.
03:22:19drf|laptopwait, normal Clip has v2 also?
03:22:19jpt9No. Original Clip.
03:22:40saratogaif there was only one clip version we wouldn't need to refer to its version
03:22:59Unhelpfulthe last batch of woot clips were v2 - several devs bought them i believe
03:23:03jpt9Okay. Wasn't sure
03:23:06jpt9How bad is the OF?
03:23:16saratogaask sandisk
03:23:30endlesswondersaratoga, could it be possible to have
03:23:54drf|laptopthe OF of Sansas is decent but not as good as Rockbox :P
03:24:03drf|laptopthough if you want a Clip, by all means get it, it works fine on its own >_>
03:25:03jpt9I mean, I have a Rockboxed e200R...
03:25:12jpt9The clips are just so cheap and cute!
03:25:24krazykitbuy a couple, then!
03:25:44saratogaand port rockbox to them
03:25:45endlesswonderi cannot think
03:25:48*jpt9 doesn't need 2.
03:25:55jpt9One would be fine.
03:26:05endlesswonderi'm brilliant at software ideas
03:26:06jpt9(And I kind of want a backup in case my current Sansa dies for some reason.)
03:26:09drf|laptopjpt9, what size?
03:26:12drf|laptopon woot
03:26:14endlesswonderand yet.. i cannot think
03:26:26jpt9drf|laptop: 2GB
03:26:34drf|laptopthat's on the low end :/
03:26:37drf|laptopthere was an 8GB one, right?
03:26:39jpt9$12.99 each, plus $5 shipping.
03:26:47drf|laptopI want a v1 8GB Clip :P
03:26:56jpt9My e250R is 2GB... though that one has an 8GB microSD card as well.
03:26:59drf|laptopthough I'm guessing that'll be hard to find? Especially since AFAIK they're Wal-Mart exclusives?
03:27:02drf|laptopI have an e280, from Woot
03:27:04saratogaif you guys want to chat, rockbox-community
03:27:04drf|laptopRockboxed fine
03:29:41endlesswonderwould it be possible to have a scroll wheel file search to quickly jump to songs in a large directory?
03:29:54endlesswonderlike as in nomad jukebox
03:31:00endlesswonderah, nevermind
03:33:52endlesswondersaratoga, do you know what i mean?
03:34:36saratogawoot, jeez just scroll up
03:34:49flyback-do't see it
03:35:00flyback-OH SHIT
03:35:04flyback-are those confirmed rockbox?
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03:35:45flyback-CAUSE i'm already stuck with a h10 that I either give up and buy a damn mechanical hd for
03:35:48flyback-or get something else
03:35:53flyback-don't want to be stuck with more shit
03:36:29krazykitflyback-, read up. they're probably not rockboxable at this time
03:36:35flyback-forget it then
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05:11:51arbingordonhello, I figured someone here might be able to answer this question: I have a Gigabeat S, and sometimes when copying files to it it copies fast (~10MB/s) and sometime it copies slowly (500KB/s), is there any reason for this happening?
05:14:35Unhelpfularbingordon: hard to say, but gigiabeat s doesn't do any frequency scaling under rockbox, and rockbox presents a USB MSC device, so the OS is responsible for all filesystem work, and RB only handles block-level access. could be maybe you're sometimes using bootloader USB mode and sometimes using USB mode after rockbox has booted? i don't know that that would make a difference but it might, especially if your bootloader and rockbox are of
05:14:35Unhelpful different versions...
05:15:16arbingordonwhich would be the faster one, and how would I force that to be the way to connect?
05:16:44Unhelpfularbingordon: if they're of different versions, i can't possibly say which would be faster. if you plug in after rockbox starts you get RB USB mode. if you plug in USB with the device off, or early enough while it's starting up, you'll get bootloader USB
05:17:06Unhelpfuli would highly recommend you avoid transferring files in bootloader USB mode as the bootloader doesn't support charging. :)
05:17:33arbingordonok, I'll try fiddling around with it
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05:22:46Strife89What on earth happened to the Themes pages?
05:24:44Strife89It seems that every last theme "doesn't work with the current build", and some targets suddenly have 0 themes.
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05:34:40mc2739Strife89: it appears that there is a problem with checkwps
05:35:00UnhelpfulStrife89: if checkwps breaks then naturally nothing will validate for "current" builds
05:35:26Strife89That doesn't explain the sudden missing themes, though. :/
05:37:46mc2739yes it does, the devices with 0 themes only have current builds available
05:38:54Strife89mc2739: Look again at the Theme site main page.
05:39:05Strife89The Fuze has 0 themes. Yesterday it had 46!
05:39:35Strife89And the screen is the same size as the iPod Color.
05:41:12mc2739You are correct. I think earlier today there was some discussion about checkwps being the wrong version for som targets
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05:42:28ProtricityQuestion: Does rockbox support exFat?
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05:45:04mc2739Strife89: rasher and JdGordon were discussing it in -community
05:45:40arbingordonProtricity: no, exfat isn't rockbox compatible
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05:46:42Protricitygotcha. any file systems other than fat32 and fat for sd cards and such?
05:46:48Protricityfat32 is just being such a pain
05:47:02krazykitjust those 2.
05:47:06arbingordonhow is fat32 being a pain?
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05:54:05Protricityseems to happen after a certain number of files or folder lengths
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09:30:11pixelmafunman: umm, seen the yellow?
09:31:52funmanlooking into it
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09:49:55funmanI suppose the whole archive is checked, not only rockbox.elf
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11:15:14Unhelpfuli think i've done about all i can to minimize stalling, but ARM5_UDIV32_BODY is still quite a loser on beast.
11:17:35Unhelpfuli could try putting the LUT in iram, since the address load would cost only 1c on armv6 if done early enough. otherwise i can't really see much room for improvement... most of the math can't really be reordered and the back-to-back multiplies just murder performance on arm11 cores :/
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11:45:36stripwaxunhelpful - Do you know why the monkey audio codec needs so many udivs? could the codec be changed to not require divs?
11:47:21Unhelpfulstripwax: per amiconn the range coder needs 3 divs/sample. there are a number of ways to do divisions faster if the divisor is constant, but i don't think that applies here.
11:48:29stripwaxUnhelpful - do you understand how the range coder works? (I confess I don't but I only took a few minutes looking). Wondering if maybe a different algo achieves the same without divs.
11:48:42Unhelpfuli think i might try writing a goldschmidt divider from scratch for arm11... that would need more iterations and have no fewer multiplies per iteration *but* the multiplies in each iteration are independent of each other
11:49:23Unhelpfulstripwax: essentially the packed, entropy-coded data is represented as one really huge fractional value (*really* huge, as in all of it together)
11:50:24stripwaxis there a good doc to understand it?
11:52:59Unhelpful :D
11:53:54stripwax:-) guess that'll do for a start, thanks!
11:55:15Unhelpfuldivision by a constant can be done with multiplication by a reciprocal and a bit of fixup. *if* you can get away with not having to recalculate the reciprocals very often...
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12:13:29Unhelpfulape normal is very, very close to real-time on pp 80MHz. if somebody did a good job splitting stuff off to the cop it would probably run. high is nowhere near, still.
12:16:27Unhelpfulahahah, doing the math on the vfp is slower than *any* of these implementations :)
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13:07:24funmanfor those interested I found a linux driver (written by Synopsys) for the USB OTG used in Sansa AMS:;a=tree;f=drivers/usb/gadget/dwc_otg
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13:09:47pamauryIt's huge ! I guess it's a full-featured usb otg driver so it's quite complicated
13:11:53funmanshowing the value of USB_SPNSID_CSR at the end of usb_drv_init() shows 0x0 while the linux driver expects it to be 0x45F42xxx ("OT2" + version number)
13:12:57funman.h files: 6k lines (3.5k of registers), .c files: 16k lines
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13:22:59funmanif SPNSID isn't set I assume the device isn't powered properly
13:23:24funmanwouldn't we get data abort when trying to load/store the registers ?
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13:56:41mll_hi there, got a question : when I have a "ata error : -11", I understand that the HD is unreachable. yet, as the H320 does turn on while on batteries, it means that the batteries are OK, and the HD needs replaced. am I right ?
13:57:34mll_what is weird is that this just occured after having replaced my since long dead battery. weird coincidence...
14:06:51terudoes anyone object to commit FS #10785?
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14:18:01mll_nobody has an idea ?
14:20:13funmansomeone with a 2gb or more clipv2 ?
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14:22:12mll_funman, were you talking to me ?
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14:22:28funmanmll_: no
14:28:25pamaurygevaerts: ping
14:29:04funmanUnhelpful: what size is your clipv2?
14:30:09gevaertspamaury: pong
14:31:43pamaurygevaerts: what should the driver do on bus_reset ? Currently I cancel all transfers, unstall all endpoints, call core_bus_reset and ack. Does that sound correct ?
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14:33:26gevaertsat first sighr, yes. Have you checked what the other drivers do?
14:35:22pamauryI checked in usb-arc but it mostly rely on hardware features so it's not usable.
14:35:58*gevaerts isn't too familiar with that bit of the usb spec
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14:36:54pamauryNeither me but when the device receives bus reset it returns to default state so it can't continue pending transfers, so it seems logical to cancel all transfers
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15:03:27Unhelpfulfunman: clip is "really tiny", of course! :) mine's 2GB :)
15:04:44Kohlrabifunman: got a 8GB Clip+ (v2)
15:05:00Kohlrabifunman: and I gave away my old Clip v2
15:05:03Kohlrabialso 8GB
15:05:12KohlrabiI could contact the new owner... ;)
15:05:18funmanKohlrabi: there is no clip+ "v2"
15:05:36Kohlrabithat's why I bracketed it ;p
15:05:38Unhelpfulalthough + and v2 are very similar, are they not?
15:05:47funmanUnhelpful: could you apply and give me the result?
15:05:53KohlrabiI thought Clip+ and v2 had basically the same HW
15:06:09funmantrue, but they don't have the same level of support in rockbox (yet) :)
15:06:10Unhelpfulfunman: i'm on my way to bed now but i can do so later
15:06:34Unhelpfuli'm trying to tell myself i'll still remember how i plan to do division on arm11 when i get up :P
15:06:55funmanI couldn't find the value 0x7A7800 in clipv2 OF (which is the number of blocks per bank in clipv1 / e200v1), I wonder if the CSD reports the full size of storage
15:07:18funmanKohlrabi: are you interested into hacking mkamsboot for clip+ ?
15:07:52KohlrabiDo I need coding skills? :)
15:08:03funmanthat's advised :)
15:08:18KohlrabiThe last time I tocuhed C is 2 years ago :(
15:08:18funmani could help but i don't want to feel reponsible for bricking another clip+
15:08:34Unhelpfulfunman: is there a reasonable guide to *building* the bootloader, though? i've only successfully built one for beast. if there's one on the wiki i'll just assume i can find it later :)
15:08:36Kohlrabi"bricking another clip+" doesn't soudn too promising :D
15:09:15funmanUnhelpful: /path/to/tools/configure, sansaclipv2, b, make
15:09:44funmanmkamsboot /path/to/m30pa.bin bootloader-clipv2.sansa /path/to/clipv2/m30pa.bin; unmount; unplug
15:10:08Kohlrabimkamsboot is the firmware installer?
15:10:27funmanfirmware patcher, you must copy the resulting output to the clip
15:10:34Unhelpfulthat's nice and easy... do i need to find this m30pa.bin?
15:11:23Kohlrabifunman: do you know anything about Sandisk's policy regarding bricked units?
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15:12:02funmanKohlrabi: i suppose if you tell them the truth they'll just tell you to not mess with firmware updates
15:15:10Kohlrabifunman: where can I find mkamsboot sources?
15:15:19KohlrabiMaybe my meger skills are enough :(
15:15:42funmanrbutil/mkamsboot , but if you don't feel confident then don't do it.
15:16:02Kohlrabimh, OK
15:16:09KohlrabiI'd really like to help, though :(
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16:06:17bjorn__can someone please give me (BjornHelgaas) write permission to the wiki? i'd like to update VoiceHowto to show that .talk files are rbspeex-encoded, not MP3
16:07:55gevaertsbjorn__: done
16:08:14bjorn__gevaerts: thanks!
16:08:18gevaertsRemember that they are mp3 on archos though :)
16:09:16bjorn__ok, i'll poke you when i'm done and you can see if i've made it worse or better :-)
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16:18:31bjorn__gevaerts: here's my diff:;rev2=28
16:19:30gevaertsbjorn__: looks good to me. Maybe people who know voice better than I do will still find issues, but I'm pretty sure it's more correct than it was :)
16:20:15bjorn__gevaerts: yeah, i had a pretty frustrating time last night trying to get it to work, until dominik kindly helped me out
16:21:17gevaertsI guess one problem with these things is that people who know how it works don't have to look at the wiki, so they don't see it's out of date
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16:24:01domonokynormally people dont have to care about this details. rbutil or voicebox+ fully automates this.
16:24:30gevaertsthat too
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16:56:25BoopopHi all
16:56:50BoopopHow do I force rockbox to delete the database and *not* update it in the background, as in, I want to see it add stuff and so on so I know when it's finished
16:57:27gevaertsyou'll have to delete the files manually I think
16:57:34gevaertsthe database files I mean
16:57:50Boopopwhat are the files?
16:58:23bjorn__domonoky: sounds like i need to read up on rbutil and voicebox+ and maybe add pointers to those, too :)
16:58:46gevaertsbjorn__: .rockbox/database*.tcd
16:58:53gevaertsBoopop: .rockbox/database*.tcd
16:58:59*gevaerts apologises to bjorn__
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16:59:07BoopopBoopop: cheers
16:59:38Boopopgevaerts: cheers :)
17:00:16gevaertsBoopop: as for the update things, you can disable the auto update, but I don't think you can do much more than that. I think you can follow the progress somewhere in the debug menu though, although that's not really a normal recommended place for people to go...
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17:02:15Boopopgevaerts: I don;'t mind auto update or anything, it's just that I'm trying to get Songbird to sync my music
17:02:42Boopopgevaerts: and it's given it a different file structure and such so updating in background isn't too helpful xD
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17:12:38pixelmaBoopop: what does updating in the fore- or background have to do with file structure?
17:13:08Boopoppixelma: I mean the folder structure of my music
17:13:14BoopopMy music was organised one way
17:13:25BoopopIE copied directly from my comp
17:13:29Boopopthen I told songbird to sync
17:13:39Boopopit changed the way my music was organised
17:13:44Boopopthe folders etc
17:14:07Boopopupdating the database in the background wasn't very helpful because it didn't tell me when it'd be finished or anything
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17:16:30amiconnUnhelpful: The ape cpu/cop split shouldn't be very difficult. I just didn't get around to doing it
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17:16:44pixelmaBoopop: you could watch the disk activity icon in the statusbar if you haven't switched it off (or feel the spinning on a hard disc target). I still don't understand what the directory structure has to do with the database update but discussing this might not be a topic for this channel and I don't care too much ;)
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17:17:17*amiconn wants that split to be compression level dependent, for best speed
17:17:42Boopoppixelma: I tried the leave it a while idea, and listen to the hard disk spin. I left it a good 12 hours, it was still making noises. I restarted it and my music wouldn't play via database :P
17:17:43amiconnI.e. for -c1000 (no filtering) do the entropy decoding on CPU, and the predictor on COP
17:17:50Boopoppixelma: but I agree, let's leave it at that xD
17:18:02amiconnFor higher levels, do both entropy decoding and prediction on CPU, and filtering on COP
17:21:34amiconnThis split would make -c1000 ~200% realtime, and -c2000 ~140% realtime
17:25:08amiconnIt would also make -c3000 *just about* realtime on PP5002 and PP5022 (PP5020 is a few percent slower for some not yet known reason)
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17:55:10pamaurygevaerts: (and others) I need to check that my usb driver compiles on simulator build with all targets but there are too many. Have you got a small list of very different devices (diferrent from e200) to check that ?
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17:57:49gevaertspamaury: if you have a patch, I can compile them all in slightly more than half an hour
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17:58:10pamauryI give you that in a minute
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18:00:11pamauryArf, but you'll need to install a library to even compile it (it relies on a open source project called usb vhci hcd). You don't need to install the driver but at least the library to have the header file. Furthermore, I didn't modify configure to add the library for ld (I'm doing it manually).
18:01:59*gevaerts thinks that it needs a bit more work then :)
18:02:44pamauryFirst of all, I need to modify configure to add a USB option, no ?
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18:03:31gevaertsprobably, unless you manage to import the library in our source and make it runtime detectable
18:04:29pamauryHum, that's feasible, actually the code check if driver is usable, if not, all usb requests fails, so it's just a matter of importing the library into the code. I think the licence is the same, checking...
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18:05:04BoopopOoh, is it worth my upgrading to 3.4? I'm on 3.3 atm
18:05:12gevaertsof course importing the code means that we have to check regularly if we need new versions
18:05:46pamauryYes but library is really small, it's just a wrapper around ioctl basically which don't change often
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18:06:00pamaurySo it's not a problem I think
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18:09:54gevaertsit's GPL-2 only I think
18:10:03gevaertsah no
18:10:14gevaertsor later
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18:14:55pamaurygevaerts: Ok, I've imported the source code and it compiled with only trivial changes. I should have a patch in a few minutes if you're still ready to compile it.
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18:19:46pamauryLimit yourself to firmware of course, don't build plugins
18:20:23*pamaury wonders if it will even compile on others targets than e200 ;)
18:21:10pamaurythanks gevaerts
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18:23:43*gevaerts is confused
18:23:53pamaurywhy ?
18:24:51gevaertsSome targets give expected errors, like missing usb_init_device() for non-software-usb targets, but some have things like 'LANG_COLOR_RGB_LABELS’ undeclared
18:25:13pamaurythat's strange
18:25:34gevaertsanyway, some also compile
18:26:22pamauryOk, I'm leaving for a few moment, I'll be back soon. I'm sure there will be plenty of little things to fix anyway.
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18:29:49gevaertspamaury: gevaerts/">
18:30:27gevaertsThis is on a 64 bit setup, which probably explains the warnings on the targets where it does build
18:30:46gevaertsand these are all targets that get autobuilt
18:33:24gevaertshm, I get some of the LANG_* errors as well on a clean tree
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18:42:47gevaertspamaury: I'm rebuilding without -j now
18:43:08gevaertsThere still seem to be dependency issues in the build system that get triggered by -j
18:44:26kugelpamaury: is that patch about usb simulation?
18:44:34gevaertskugel: that's the one
18:46:26kugelit seems to be hugely based on linux code?
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18:51:21pamaurykugel: it doesn't use any linux code but it's uses a driver (usb vhci) which is linux only and thus by nature orient the interface in a linux way. however the concept of urb is also present in Windows if I'm dorrect
18:53:23pamaurygevaerts: thanks, I'll have a look at it later
18:55:45pamaurygevaerts: it's strange that on some targets there are undefined references to, say, usb_enable while it's usb-drv.c
18:56:53*pamaury put a note to himself to make functions static where it's needed and to remove LOGF_ENABLE in the usb driver
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19:09:47kugelpamaury: but you haven't written everything yourself?
19:10:38pamauryusb-drc.c ? Yes I have, a few parts are based on the usb arc driver but that's all. I have not written the linux driver however.
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19:11:36pamauryI've never written a real linux driver, I would no be able to write a virtual host controller driver for linux ;)
19:11:46kugelI was just wondering
19:12:40kugelthese __s32 etc types are a bit strange
19:13:08pamaurythere are part of the driver, this is the "user" interface to the driver, I can't say more. These are kernel types I guess
19:14:19pamaurykugel: I think those types are quite usual in the linux kernel
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19:14:49kugelmaybe, that's why I thought it's linux code
19:15:11kugelthis, and those uberlong identifiers
19:15:23pamaurysuch as ?
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19:23:59pamaurygevaerts: thanks, I look at it
19:24:00tmztvhci is for simulator testing?
19:26:17pamauryvhci stands for virtual host controller interface, so yes it fakes a usb host to the linux kernel and allows the simulator to simulate a usb device
19:26:40pamaurygevaerts: what are all those warning about usb_hid casts ? I don't get them, is it 64-bit related ?
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19:27:08gevaertspamaury: I'm not sure. Probably
19:28:34gevaertspamaury: plain svn doesn't have that though. Maybe conflicting typedefs?
19:28:54pamauryNot sure, look at the code:
19:28:59pamaury return (size_t)((uint32_t)report - (uint32_t)dest);
19:29:11pamauryThat's clearly wrong on a 64-bit target
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19:30:10gevaertsah indeed...
19:30:18*gevaerts is an idiot
19:30:33gevaertsOf course it doesn't happen on plain svn. That code isn't compiled then...
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19:34:03pamaurygevaerts: Doesn't iriverh300 have usb ? Because it says it lack usb_* functions which are in usb-drv.c
19:34:19gevaertspamaury: it uses a hardware ata-usb bridge
19:34:41gevaertsYou probably want to look for USE_ROCKBOX_USB or HAVE_USBSTACK
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19:34:59pamaurySo it has no usbstack...
19:35:04pamauryWhat is the difference between those ?
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19:48:30gevaertspamaury: you can commit that as well :)
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19:48:55pamauryIndeed, ok I change that.
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19:54:00CIA-44New commit by pamaury (r24251): Fix a compilation warning (simulator build on 64-bit host).
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19:59:44pamaurygevaerts: what should I do on target that only have hardware usb ? Should I make it use the usbstack or just stub usb functions ?
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20:00:20gevaertspamaury: hardware usb is different enough to not simulate it with the same code I think
20:00:27pamauryI agree.
20:00:32gevaertsso I wouldn't use your code on those
20:00:45pamauryThat's also simpler for me
20:04:16pamauryWhat does cpu_idle_mode does ? Can I safely stub this on simulator ?
20:04:36Tornetells the cpu it's okay to clock to the lowest rate because there's nothing happening
20:04:44Torneradio uses it, and hwusb uses it
20:04:53Torne(note: lowest rate, not actually idle)
20:05:02pamauryOk so it's safe to stub on simulator
20:05:26gevaertsyou could call the equivalent underlying linux syscalls :)
20:05:30Torneyup, on anything that doesn't have adjustable frequency
20:06:17pamauryI define it as a empty #define so it's less than a stub actually.
20:07:43pamauryThere are funny thing in the firmware:
20:07:46pamauryint storage_soft_reset(void);
20:07:53pamaury#define storage_soft_reset() (void)0
20:08:08pamauryOne returns int, other returns void
20:13:22soapduring make BMP2RB is tossing an Error 1 on a bmp file I had modified in the gimp. I saved it as a 16 bit bitmap 565 assignment. Is that the problem?
20:17:51*pamaury : USB driver compiles under gigabeatfxsim !
20:19:17pamauryIsn't there a makefile build target just to regenerate lang files ? That's a pain to recompile everything just because a few LANG_* appeared/disappeared ?
20:19:27AlexP_soap: I'm probably talking arse, but I seem to remember 8 or 24 bit being mentioned before
20:19:47AlexP_or 1
20:20:00soapI thought all the color bitmaps were 16 bit. :(
20:20:14AlexP_I did say I'm probably talking arse :)
20:20:23soaplet me try 24
20:21:25GodEater_soap: I think they become 16bit on target
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20:21:35GodEater_but bmp2rb doesn't expect them to start off like that
20:21:39soapoh yea, 24 bit BMPs work fine. Nice that the image is named "220x68x16"
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20:22:14AlexP_I'm as surorised as everyone else
20:22:45soapand the grayscale ones???
20:22:57soaplet me guess, 32 bit BMPs expected? ;)
20:23:45*GodEater_ is just reading the source
20:24:07soapwhere should I begin to look to find that answer?
20:24:21GodEater_it's not well commented
20:25:29GodEater_soap: ask amiconn he wrote it
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20:31:26Jaykayhi, why did r24247 increase ram usage?
20:31:57pamauryCREDITS ?
20:32:13gevaertspresumably because Thai has some long strings?
20:32:35gevaertsRAM reserved for strings is calculated to make the biggest language fit
20:33:40Jaykayok thanks :)
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20:37:02bjorn__domonoky: re: rbutil & voicebox+, it looks like rbutil will only generate .talk files with a text-to-speech engine, i.e., i can't give it recordings of myself. true?
20:37:30bjorn__domonoky: voicebox+ looks similar, but appears to be Windows-only, so i can't tell for sure
20:37:40domonokyyes. that true for both of this tool. the "normal" voice user uses a tts engine :-)
20:38:51pamauryUp, does someone know a way to regenerate language related files without recompile everything ? More precisely, a way to regenrate lang.h, lang_core.c and lang_core.o ?
20:38:53bjorn__understood. my target user is 80 years old and i'm thinking will prefer a real human voice :_
20:40:48domonokybjorn__: of course a human voice is much better to understand. But its soo much work to create all those clips for all files and folders. Also at least under windows there exist pretty good sapi voices.
20:41:21pamauryI have no knowledge of WPS but there is a problem when it's built under simulator with logf because of this screen_access.h:29 which have this condition:
20:41:22pamaury#if defined(HAVE_REMOTE_LCD) && !defined (ROCKBOX_HAS_LOGF)
20:41:31pamauryWhereras gui/wps.c has this condition:
20:41:37pamaury#ifdef HAVE_REMOTE_LCD
20:42:37pamauryI think there is something to fix here but I've never looked at this code and I don't what to touch such a precious piece of code.
20:43:23Unhelpfulamiconn: how often do divisors change in APE... could a set of reciprocals be maintained, possibly?
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20:51:13saratogadoes rockbox on the clipv2 not build for anyone else? bootloader is fine
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20:54:30saratogafunman: clipv2 output:
20:54:33saratogausing your patch
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21:12:36pamaurygevaerts: I have a new version of the patch that should compile under every target, could you try it ?
21:14:44gevaertsok, building
21:15:28pamauryDid someone look at the compile issue in WPS that I pointed out half an hour ago ?
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21:16:56AlexP_I think that unlikely
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21:26:34vjhello everyone
21:26:39bertrikhi vj
21:27:06vjI have just installed Rockbox on my Ipod 2g Nano
21:27:15vjits working fine
21:27:24AlexP_but... :)
21:27:31vjone question if someone could answer
21:27:41saratogajust ask your question already
21:28:04amiconnGodEater_: I didn't write bmp2rb. I "only" extended it
21:28:14vjyes one but i.e how to boot apple firmware , I have tried left button
21:28:31kloerisaratoga, gevaerts: set the channel +R if the spam gets too bad - we're killing the bots as quickly as we can but that doesn't prevent the spam completely unfortunately
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21:29:07amiconnsoap: bmp2rb is supposed to handle all "usual" BMP variants, i.e. 1, 4 and 8 bit with palette, 16bit RGB565, 24bit RGB888 and 32bit XRGB888
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21:29:46amiconnUnhelpful: The divisor is never fixed in APE
21:29:49gevaertskloeri: yes, but we're a bit worried about losing real support issues then. Currently considering +z and +m
21:29:52Mode"#rockbox +m " by gevaerts (n=fg@rockbox/developer/gevaerts)
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21:30:28saratogawhat do those flags do?
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21:30:48AlexPsaratoga: +m mutes everyone, but +z lets ops see the messages
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21:31:12gevaertsAlexP: that's going to be too much work :(
21:31:13AlexPgevaerts: leave +z, it was laready there
21:31:19Mode"#rockbox +z " by gevaerts (n=fg@rockbox/developer/gevaerts)
21:31:21kloerigevaerts: understood, +R isn't something that should be set lightly
21:31:21AlexPgevaerts: And yes, I agree
21:31:22soapthank you amiconn. If you want me to track down why it was failing on gimp-created 16 bit 565s I can try. It worked fine once I resaved them as 24 bit 888s.
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21:31:38saratogado we have a wiki page explaining how to do this stuff
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21:31:49amiconnsoap: Then something in those gimp-created 16bit BMPs is unusual
21:32:03amiconnShould be fairly easy to find out
21:32:10saratogavj: i don't have your player, but hte manual says hold is used
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21:34:22amiconnsoap: If you put one of those somewhere, I can try to find out
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21:34:46soapamiconn, give me a second
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21:36:20gevaertsvj: sorry for the inconvenience if you tried to reply. You should now be able to talk
21:36:28vjI need to boot both firmware Rockbox+Apple, I tried left << button but it shows an error and loads rockbox windows explorer Ipod does not shows any file and and its also not mounting in iTunes
21:37:00vjand do I need to bring it in disk mode if yes then how can I do so
21:37:06vjso any clues?
21:37:22saratogavj: did you see my reply?
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21:37:56saratogavj: i don't have your player, but hte manual says hold is used
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21:38:10vjok let me try that
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21:43:17BoopopIs there any way of building a database for rockbox on my PC instead so it's quicker?
21:43:37AlexPI believe there is a tool for that, yes
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21:44:35AlexPBoopop: Just seeing if I can find any onfo
21:44:46Boopopalex cheers :)
21:44:57Boopopdamnit not again >.<
21:45:03BoopopAlexP: cheers :P
21:45:05soapso can ops see unvoiced people's talk?
21:45:31AlexPsoap: I don't think so with +R - I don't think +z affects it
21:45:38gevaertssoap: unfortunately not
21:45:46CtcpIgnored 11 channel CTCP requests in 11 minutes and 21 seconds at the last flood
21:45:46*gevaerts has tested
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21:45:53AlexPBoopop: I think it is in trunk/tools/database
21:46:29AlexPBoopop: You'll need to compile it though (unless there happens to be a pre-compiled version hanging around the site somewhere)
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21:47:35amiconnsoap: Hah, bmp2rb is supposed to support 16bit, but actually doesn't because its header checks aren't sufficient
21:47:58soapgreat. Glad it was an easy bug to spot.
21:48:04amiconnIt bails out if it finds compression != 0, but for 15bit and 16bit, compression == 3 (bit packed)
21:48:29BoopopHow do I get to trunk >.<
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21:49:27AlexPBoopop: That is the source code
21:49:29*amiconn thinks it's funny that our tool supports less BMP formats than rockbox' internal BMP reader
21:49:33Boopopahh right
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21:49:48AlexPBoopop: I assume you are on windows?
21:49:51BoopopThink I'll try and get it to build it normally then
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21:51:11AlexPBoopop: This might be useful:
21:51:18Mode"#rockbox +v nikko " by AlexP (n=alex@rockbox/staff/AlexP)
21:51:23vjI tried hold and the pressed << but nothing happened
21:51:31nikkohas anyone built trunk on osx 10.4 recently? qmake runs, but theres no Makefile when i run make
21:51:56AlexPYou mean for rbutil not Rockbox right?
21:52:25vjyep rebooting with Apple OS
21:52:26AlexPAs that's the only reason you'ld be running qmake :)
21:52:35AlexP@ nikko
21:52:50AlexPAnd so assuming you mean rbutil, then I doubt it
21:52:52nikkoyes, in the rbutl dir
21:53:14AlexPnikko: Careful then, if you say trunk people will assume you mean Rockbox itself, not rbutil
21:53:25AlexPvj: What player?
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21:53:40nikkooh, i fetched trunk, then went into rbutil and tried to build
21:53:41vjIpod Nano 2g
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21:54:05nikkoall im actualy tring to do is patch a nano 2g
21:54:44AlexPDoes rbutil support the Nano 2nd gen?
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21:55:17nikkoaccording to the wiki, latest runk rbutil will work on a 2g nano
21:55:23AlexPah, OK
21:55:39nikkootherwise, id just grab latest binaries
21:55:42AlexPBut to answer your question, I very much doubt anyone has tried to recently
21:56:09AlexPWe have trouble releasing binaries for the Mac as nobody uses it and so we have nobody to build them for it
21:56:20nikkook, i have a snow leopard upgrade, but have been too lazy to upgrade
21:56:33AlexPI don't know if that'll make any difference
21:56:43AlexPIt is Mac in general
21:56:47nikkoi guess mac users are apple fanboys, so no interest in rockbox ;)
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21:56:56AlexPhehe :)
21:57:24AlexPnikko: I think it'd be easier to do the manual install
21:57:45nikkoi tried, but ipodpatcher doesnt seem to thing my ipod is an ipod
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21:58:22AlexPnikko: Then nor will rbutil
21:58:27AlexPnikko: It needs to be a winpod
21:58:35AlexPIf it is Mac formatted, then it won't work
21:58:44nikkoits fat32
21:58:51gevaertspamaury: new output at gevaerts/">
21:58:53vjwow Alex I am back to Apple :)
21:58:55nikkoaccording to itunes on the mac
21:59:14AlexPnikko: It isn't just how it is formatted though
21:59:22AlexPvj: You are welcome :)
21:59:54pamaurygevaerts: thansk
22:00:06vjso I think now I can connect to computer and try copyinf your sample mpg video to test video play back...
22:00:20vjAudio is nice
22:00:28vjGreat job
22:00:36AlexPnikko: I don't have an ipod though, so am not the best to help
22:00:49nikkoso, the ipod just showing us as windows format in itunes isnt enough?
22:01:00AlexPnikko: I'm not sure :)
22:01:20domonokythere are also SVN rbutil binary provided from bluebrother:
22:01:37nikkoi got an ipod touch for christmas, so this 2g nano is ust kind of laying around, and im a hacker
22:01:56nikkodomonkey @me?
22:03:23nikkocool, thanks
22:04:23nikkohuh, it justs exits :(
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22:07:20domonokynikko: what do you mean with exits ? does it crash at a particular user aktion ?
22:07:41Unhelpfulamiconn: ugh. so i'm assuming probabilities are updated for *every* symbol decoded? :/
22:08:19nikkonah, it just exists, so I went into and ran rbutil. and it says:
22:08:28*pamaury doesn't understand why there are still some USB_BSS_thing warning after he fixed it !
22:08:39nikkodyld: Library not loaded: @executable_path/../Frameworks/libusb-0.1.4.dylib
22:09:37nikkoi have libusb loaded from macports, but rbutil looks like it has its own version
22:10:35Unhelpfuli was just wondering if perhaps even a cache of reciprocals for recently-performed divides might speed thing up. if the same divisors show up fairly often that might help
22:10:37domonokyarg.. and this file probably doesnt exists in the correct ?
22:10:52nikkoyeah, its there
22:11:37domonokythe libusb-0.1.4.dylib file is in Frameworks ? then i wonder why it cant load it.
22:12:01nikkois this a universal binary build?
22:12:25nikkoim on 10.4 on intel
22:12:42domonokyrbutil should be built as universal, but we often have the problem that some libs are accidently not unversal.
22:12:56domonokycould you check which format this .dylib has ?
22:13:22domonokyand we dont have many devs with macs, so its difficult to keep it working :-)
22:13:55vjIn which directory I should copy the .mpg video
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22:14:17vjor it will pick from anywhere
22:14:36AlexPvj: I sujest having a read of the manual
22:14:37domonokyvj: the same as with audio. anywhere execpt .rockbox dir.
22:14:47vjI m creating a Video directory
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22:18:20vjvideo on ipod
22:19:02nikkodomonkey - it says its a universal, ppc, i386, and x86_64
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22:22:37Unhelpfulhrm, or even a fixed table for handling a range of divisors... i'll try logging the distribution of divisors by size and see if there are any largish spikes
22:23:25vjI just surprised my brother lol! he was amazed to see video on nano
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22:24:11amiconnUnhelpful: yes
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22:24:37amiconnUnhelpful: That was related to [22:07:42] <Unhelpful> amiconn: ugh. so i'm assuming probabilities are updated for *every* symbol decoded? :/
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22:28:41nikkodomonoky: Reason: no suitable image found. Did find:
22:29:28nikkothen: unknown required load command 0x80000022
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22:30:34vjdoes rock box uses less battery... in rockbox info its showing batterly reamin as 80h
22:30:59vjthough nano 2g has 24 hr battery life
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22:31:20AlexPThe estimated time remaining is wrong
22:31:33vji see may be a bug
22:32:28bertrikif remaining time has not been calibrated for a specific target, it defaults to a very low value current consumption estimate
22:32:55bertrikresulting in an unreasonably high remaining time
22:32:59AlexPIt isn't a bug as such
22:33:05AlexPIt just isn't finished
22:33:51vjso r u Alexander Papst :)
22:34:29domonokynikko: hm, dont know what todo then, i also cant build you a new one, we have to wait fro bluebrother to fix this. But doing the manual way should also work. (rbutil just uses ipodpatcher code to install the bootloader).
22:34:51saratogawhen i added that to run time estimation i was trying to get it to default to infinity, but that caused divide by zeros
22:35:09saratogaso i compromised on "unreasonably high" as a clue that it wasn't calibrated
22:35:17AlexPvj: No, and real words please
22:37:50vjok just saw a name under credits
22:38:20AlexPThere are others in there that match :)
22:39:58vjBye I will explore further and make the .mpgs
22:40:07Mode"#rockbox +v tomers " by AlexP (n=alex@rockbox/staff/AlexP)
22:40:23AlexPOK, have fun :)
22:40:28vjThanks a lot for the guidance Alex
22:40:33AlexPno worries
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22:42:08CIA-44New commit by tomers (r24252): Simulator: Make touchscreen targets usable on keyboards w/o numpad (laptops) ...
22:43:12CIA-44New commit by tomers (r24253): Simulator: Add key mappings for Cowon D2
22:44:08nikkoyeah, ill try to get my mchine to build it
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22:54:24Unhelpfulsaratoga: what does "infinity" mean in an integer representation? you'd need to guard your divid with a zero test and use (1<<32)-1 instead of doing the division, i suppose
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23:06:42CIA-44New commit by tomers (r24254): Simulator: Fix reds. ...
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23:30:08saratogaUnhelpful: i think the display only showed a few digits, so probably 999 hours
23:30:57Unhelpfulsaratoga: you could just display "INF" or "NAN" or "OMG UR LAEM" :)
23:33:52Unhelpfulfunman: i get "4 1B906" and "4 1F906" over and over and then "ATA error: -4"... but this time i have something different, it overwrote some of the 4 xxxxx with "0x260032 0x5f5a83d3 0xbefbcfff 0x9280401b"
23:34:22Unhelpfulthose last four values don't repeat and it seems to have stopped doing anything, but is not shutting down as after the ATA error
23:37:07Unhelpfulit seems to switch between these two behaviors on startup with no particular pattern, maybe there's a timing thing that makes the difference?
23:40:15saratogaUnhelpful: i tried twice and got this both times:
23:41:38Unhelpfulsaratoga: that's my second case exactly, actually... i'd not noticed the last line was 1906 :)
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23:42:21Unhelpfulthe last line doesn't differ if i get the ATA error
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23:55:14pamauryDo anyone here thinks it's overkill to modify more than seven files just to fix a warning ?
23:55:48TheSevendepends on the kind of warning...
23:56:15TheSeven...and the complexity of the modifications
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23:57:10pamauryprotect a #define redefinition
23:57:29pamaurytwoliner in each file
23:58:01pamauryWell it could be changed into a oneliner probably
23:58:05TheSevensounds like that makes sense...

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