| 00:00:43 | saratoga | when do manuals get rebuilt? |
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| 00:03:45 | AlexP | saratoga: Daily at about 6am CET IIRC |
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| 00:18:42 | nikko | domonoky, i got rockbox loaded by using iLoader! YAY! |
| 00:19:26 | nikko | so i just copied .rockbox into / on the nano, rebooted into iLoader, selected rockbox, and BOOM! |
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| 00:19:43 | TheSeven | nikko: that's how it is supposed to be, huh? :-) |
| 00:21:51 | nikko | yeah, i was tryg to build rockbx for 2gnano on OSX a bit ago, with no luck |
| 00:22:38 | nikko | rbutils isnt building in trunk on OS X |
| 00:23:12 | TheSeven | any idea as to why? (or even a fix? ;-) ) |
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| 00:23:58 | nikko | no, qmake runs but no Makefile after |
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| 00:25:11 | nikko | after qmake, i get: Project MESSAGE: release |
| 00:26:53 | nikko | qmake -d sits out LOADS, but nothing that jumps out as an error |
| 00:28:01 | nikko | s/sits/spits/ |
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| 00:36:43 | pamaury | Has anyone here a quick way to test simulator builds for all targets and give me the compile results ? |
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| 00:50:21 | TheSeven | btw, liar, how's your USB/flash fix going? |
| 00:50:39 | TheSeven | has that received some more testing in the meantime? |
| 00:53:14 | domonoky | nikko: where do you run qmake ? |
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| 01:03:04 | gevaerts | pamaury: uploaded, same place |
| 01:03:21 | gevaerts | no errors or warnings :) |
| 01:03:28 | nikko | domonoky, ive run it from rbutils and rbutilsqt |
| 01:03:39 | saratoga | are you close to committing MTP mode then? |
| 01:03:53 | gevaerts | saratoga: different feature, even more crazy |
| 01:04:01 | saratoga | what is this |
| 01:04:52 | gevaerts | actual usb support in the sim, using a simulated host controller in linux |
| 01:05:00 | saratoga | ah cool |
| 01:05:10 | domonoky | nikko: you could try if it works from a build directory, like the normal builds. (ie call qmake ..\rbutil\rbutil.pro from <rockboxsource>/buildrbutil/ ) |
| 01:05:12 | gevaerts | should help with debugging and things like that |
| 01:05:18 | saratoga | would it mount in the host os? |
| 01:05:31 | gevaerts | yes |
| 01:06:23 | saratoga | seems like a nice thing to write a news post about, if we had a way to do that . . . |
| 01:06:44 | pamaury | gevaerts: 100% success, terrible |
| 01:08:20 | AlexP | sarcasm? |
| 01:08:54 | gevaerts | AlexP: no, French |
| 01:09:18 | AlexP | er, OK |
| 01:11:04 | pamaury | gevaerts: I put a FS entry for this patch with a quick explaintion of how to make it work, so that others can test it ? |
| 01:11:33 | gevaerts | pamaury: yes. I think it should especially be tested on non-linux |
| 01:12:05 | pamaury | Ahh, forgot that, it doesn't work non non-linux because the driver is linux only but I guess it won't compile ! |
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| 01:13:05 | * | pamaury grumbles something about having a software compiling under Windows and Linux |
| 01:14:22 | pamaury | Ok, I'll put it anyway and people report broken builds. If I have the necessary motivation, I'll install the necessary stuff to build rockbox under my virtual Windows |
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| 01:24:58 | saratoga | just ifdef it out on Windows |
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| 01:26:19 | pamaury | Well there are plenty of modifications everwhere and I'm sure it can be done in a more subtle way. |
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| 01:32:15 | pamaury | For the ones interested in USB capability for the simulator: http://www.rockbox.org/tracker/task/10916 |
| 01:32:18 | pamaury | Any comment is welcome |
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| 04:12:19 | webguest84 | How safe is it to use sansa 200v2 if you are using Rockbox utility? |
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| 04:13:38 | saratoga | should be pretty safe, all it does it copy a few files over |
| 04:13:51 | saratoga | i don't think anyone has broken a player yet with it |
| 04:14:31 | webguest84 | even though it is still listed as unstable? |
| 04:15:08 | saratoga | yeah |
| 04:16:04 | Tomis | even if you bricked, you can just restore to the factory software |
| 04:16:14 | saratoga | no you can't |
| 04:17:04 | saratoga | theres no real recovery mode, so if you brick the only chance is to try the trick where you short the NAND data pins together |
| 04:17:35 | saratoga | though you have to try pretty hard to brick an e200v2 these days |
| 04:17:36 | webguest84 | Whats bricking? |
| 04:17:47 | saratoga | the process of making a brick |
| 04:18:10 | webguest84 | Besides that |
| 04:18:25 | wry | what is a brick useful for? |
| 04:18:40 | saratoga | you can use them to hold papers on your desk |
| 04:18:42 | wry | well, that will be what the player will be useful for after it is made into a brick |
| 04:19:12 | webguest84 | c |
| 04:19:16 | JdGordon | goto #making-bricks to continue that discussion |
| 04:21:08 | wry | i'll get right on that |
| 04:22:23 | webguest84 | How would 200v2 brick then, if its pretty safe? |
| 04:23:25 | saratoga | you could write a program to do it, or change the installer code to |
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| 04:24:36 | webguest84 | No, I mean how would it by accident? If there is a chance of it, where does that chance come from? |
| 04:25:09 | saratoga | by accidentally using your programming knowledge to write code to brick your player |
| 04:26:26 | webguest84 | so by doing the automatic installation there is basically no chance of it bricking? |
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| 05:57:41 | Willy | Something is wrong with the MP3 encoder −− is this already known? |
| 05:59:34 | JdGordon | depends what exactly is wrong about it |
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| 06:01:39 | Willy | Two things: |
| 06:01:40 | Willy | 1) Recording into MP3 format results in a file with no sound (actually has a very strange noise _pattern_, but you have to amplifiy to hear it). |
| 06:01:42 | Willy | 2) Opening a WAV with the 'mp3_encoder' plugin results in a file where the audio plays too fast (real fast). |
| 06:01:43 | Willy | I just built off SVN for this test, other formats work right, and here is a sample MP3: http://www.mediafire.com/download.php?ziz4vdnymlm |
| 06:02:20 | JdGordon | open a bug report |
| 06:02:32 | Willy | ok thanks |
| 06:03:46 | saratoga | I'm going to randomly guess that you've got a Sansa, and the problem is that the mp3 encoder doesn't realize the sansa records at lower sample rate |
| 06:04:56 | Willy | yeah, sansa. But still −− I used to be able to record into MP3. |
| 06:06:13 | Willy | the bug report page, wants me to pick a model −− I only have one player, should I say 'all' or only choose mine? |
| 06:06:29 | saratoga | file a bug report, and if possible, figure out which revision it was that broke it |
| 06:06:40 | saratoga | unless you know it happens on all players, I would not pick all |
| 06:07:33 | Willy | can I download old daily builds? |
| 06:08:16 | saratoga | probably not old enough, so you'll have to compile them |
| 06:08:32 | saratoga | well i guess you could download old releases to narrow it down |
| 06:08:47 | Willy | what's the command to download past revisions? |
| 06:09:11 | saratoga | the svn wiki page explains it, but I think you add a -r |
| 06:09:42 | saratoga | followed by the revision number |
| 06:09:57 | Willy | ok thank you |
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| 06:17:00 | endlesswonder | is there a way to get Rockbox to work on the iPod classic? |
| 06:17:32 | funman | no |
| 06:17:57 | endlesswonder | i thought i remember a thing for downgrading it to gen 5.. |
| 06:17:59 | endlesswonder | firmware? |
| 06:18:08 | funman | Unhelpful, saratoga: the clipv2 reports storage as 2GB, so there apparently no need for bank switching |
| 06:18:18 | saratoga | endlesswonder: downgrade it with a hammer |
| 06:18:34 | saratoga | funman: sorry, I was using a 2GB clip |
| 06:18:38 | saratoga | does that matter? |
| 06:18:49 | endlesswonder | saratonga, you don't like the ipod gen 6? |
| 06:18:55 | endlesswonder | honestly? |
| 06:19:07 | saratoga | endlesswonder: I mean you need ot use a hammer to downgrade it |
| 06:19:32 | endlesswonder | but that won't make it work with rockbox |
| 06:19:40 | saratoga | sure it will, once its smashed you go out buy a 5.5G |
| 06:20:01 | funman | saratoga: we could try on clipv2 8GB to confirm, because the size of one bank is ~4GB |
| 06:20:02 | saratoga | downgrading is that easy! |
| 06:20:04 | endlesswonder | seriously, what's wrong with the gen 6? |
| 06:20:10 | endlesswonder | i'm interested ! |
| 06:20:20 | endlesswonder | i mean as far as its design |
| 06:20:34 | saratoga | funman: you mean on unhelpful's? |
| 06:20:36 | endlesswonder | or is it not that, just that rockbox cannot support it? |
| 06:20:44 | endlesswonder | why is it difficult to support? |
| 06:20:47 | funman | saratoga: Unhelpful's clipv2 is 2GB as well i think |
| 06:21:01 | funman | endlesswonder: firmware is stored encrypted on it |
| 06:21:04 | saratoga | then we still need a 4 or 8 GB one to test? |
| 06:21:34 | saratoga | endlesswonder: have you read the 6G ipod wiki page? if not, you may want to do that now |
| 06:21:44 | funman | on clipv1/fuzev1 2GB/4GB/8GB, the CSD (which is printed with my diff) is reported as 1GB |
| 06:21:59 | saratoga | ah well thats a good sign |
| 06:22:28 | saratoga | but I guess you're still no where near having a working driver? |
| 06:22:59 | funman | no, i think i found the most interesting parts of the driver since a long time but i still can't make no progress |
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| 06:23:42 | endlesswonder | saratoga, is the Gen 6 intentionally designed to be a pain in the ass for developers? |
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| 06:24:02 | funman | i was trying to find bank switching code which might be simpler to reverse engineer than full data transfer |
| 06:24:23 | saratoga | endlesswonder: yes |
| 06:25:28 | endlesswonder | why? |
| 06:25:30 | endlesswonder | :) |
| 06:25:45 | funman | ask Apple, we don't know |
| 06:26:03 | endlesswonder | well if it's intentional, one must know why |
| 06:26:08 | saratoga | it was encrypted to prevent reverse engineering, but that was broken a while ago, so its now not much different then most targets |
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| 06:27:31 | endlesswonder | is the interface/functionality more pain too? |
| 06:27:54 | saratoga | I have no idea |
| 06:28:25 | endlesswonder | ok, so i transferred 55gigs of music to it.. anyway to play it? |
| 06:28:29 | endlesswonder | i didn't use Genius! |
| 06:28:32 | endlesswonder | :( |
| 06:28:51 | endlesswonder | i just transferred using windows explorer |
| 06:28:57 | endlesswonder | it says no music found! |
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| 06:29:12 | funman | endlesswonder: it's offtopic for #rockbox |
| 06:33:02 | endlesswonder | odd there is no svideo out on it.. |
| 06:33:13 | endlesswonder | no way to output to tv?! |
| 06:34:25 | saratoga | endlesswonder: to be clear this is a logged channel, so please don't clutter them with offtopic crap |
| 06:35:12 | * | endlesswonder yawns :Oo |
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| 06:52:48 | JdGordon | the font format is target independant yeah? |
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| 06:55:08 | pippijn | is the boot loader I built from source when selecting h320 in configure good for patching H300.hex? |
| 06:55:32 | JdGordon | soap: whats up with the boot logo in the ipod accessory test builds? |
| 06:55:38 | JdGordon | pippijn: NO! |
| 06:55:45 | JdGordon | dont use the svn bootloader |
| 06:55:50 | JdGordon | it *WILL* brick your h300 |
| 06:55:53 | JdGordon | use the one in the wiki |
| 06:56:02 | pippijn | okay |
| 06:57:03 | funman | it might be a good idea to print an error message when selecting h300 bootlaoder then |
| 06:58:54 | pippijn | I downloaded bootloader-h[123][02]0.bin |
| 06:59:05 | pippijn | and built fwpatcher.exe in tools/fwpatcher |
| 06:59:58 | pippijn | and downloaded H300_V130(eu).zip |
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| 07:00:42 | pippijn | is that correct? |
| 07:01:00 | pippijn | or maybe I should use v125 |
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| 07:02:24 | pippijn | ok, it doesn't like 125 |
| 07:02:57 | pippijn | H300.hex is now 4MB instead of the 2 it used to be |
| 07:03:00 | pippijn | I assume that's okay |
| 07:06:37 | JdGordon | dont assume anything with the h300.. easy to brick |
| 07:06:40 | JdGordon | check the md5sum |
| 07:07:23 | pippijn | 7fb49041294b3e6aea3894218d6d64cf H300.hex |
| 07:07:34 | pippijn | looks good |
| 07:07:41 | pippijn | same as in h300sums.h |
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| 07:11:07 | pippijn | how full does the battery need to be to do the firmware update? |
| 07:12:10 | JdGordon | >50% to be safe |
| 07:12:19 | pippijn | okay |
| 07:12:24 | pippijn | then I need to wait till tomorrow |
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| 09:41:53 | S_a_i_n_t | there's no build for sansa e250 right? |
| 09:42:15 | JdGordon | e250 is e200 |
| 09:42:33 | * | pippijn now has rockbox |
| 09:42:39 | pippijn | on iriver h320 |
| 09:42:40 | pippijn | <3 |
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| 09:43:22 | S_a_i_n_t | e250 *is* e200...gee, confusing much Sansa? |
| 09:46:45 | pippijn | Z_Init: Init zone memory allocation [...] |
| 09:46:57 | pippijn | Z_init: allocated 29421kb zone memory |
| 09:47:09 | pippijn | plugin returned error |
| 09:47:14 | pippijn | doom |
| 09:47:21 | pippijn | oh, missing WAD file or something |
| 09:48:00 | S_a_i_n_t | possibly, do you have the freedoom WAD? |
| 09:48:29 | pippijn | I just built rockbox and put it on the hdd |
| 09:48:36 | pippijn | I don't know what WADs are |
| 09:48:40 | S_a_i_n_t | so probably not. |
| 09:48:46 | pippijn | so indeed |
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| 09:48:53 | S_a_i_n_t | checkout the wiki, can't be more specific sorry |
| 09:49:01 | pippijn | no problem, thanks |
| 09:49:24 | pippijn | my laptop I/O is kinda dead from reading 20MB/sec via usb |
| 09:49:32 | pippijn | bad I/O scheduling :-\ |
| 09:50:41 | S_a_i_n_t | save you looking :D |
| 09:51:12 | pippijn | I got to nongnu.org/freedoom |
| 09:51:16 | pippijn | oh |
| 09:51:18 | pippijn | thanks |
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| 09:55:08 | pippijn | how can I shut down the device? |
| 09:55:26 | S_a_i_n_t | depends on the device |
| 09:55:28 | pippijn | mine has a hardware bug |
| 09:55:39 | pippijn | iriver h320 |
| 09:56:08 | S_a_i_n_t | hardware bug? buttons not working? |
| 09:56:08 | pippijn | when I press the off button ("stop"), rockbox says "Battery: Charging" |
| 09:56:23 | pippijn | buttons are working fine, but it won't shut down |
| 09:56:35 | S_a_i_n_t | and it's *not* charging? |
| 09:56:41 | S_a_i_n_t | is it not plugged in? |
| 09:56:45 | pippijn | no, it's not plugged in |
| 09:57:05 | pippijn | in fact, I always charge via usb, because it doesn't accept the charger anymore |
| 09:57:13 | pippijn | it thinks it's the battery pack |
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| 09:58:35 | pippijn | hm |
| 09:58:51 | S_a_i_n_t | that's one for the 'weird files' |
| 09:58:57 | pippijn | this isn't good |
| 09:59:09 | pippijn | when plugged into usb, rockbox doesn't power down the hdd |
| 09:59:21 | pippijn | can I somehow force it to? |
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| 10:00:00 | S_a_i_n_t | I'm not an iRiver man myself, if anyone else here is...now's the time to speak up. |
| 10:03:01 | pippijn | storage_spindown just sets the timeout, as far as I can tell |
| 10:05:13 | S_a_i_n_t | every RB'd DAP I've ever had/own still has been/or is Flash based...so I'm really no help sorry, I may even point you in the wrong direction. |
| 10:05:15 | * | pixelma wonders about this line in the update thai.lang ".talk mp3 sansaclip" |
| 10:06:22 | pixelma | updated too |
| 10:07:39 | pixelma | there are a few more .talk sansaclips in there but "only" in the desc field - and the "mp3" in this lis line is there in english.lang too, so it is wrong |
| 10:08:00 | pippijn | ah |
| 10:08:09 | pippijn | storage_sleepnow() looks good |
| 10:09:32 | pixelma | for software codec targets... but I think it's better to have a generic ".talk clips" string and not one for hwcodec and the other for swcodec |
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| 10:11:35 | S_a_i_n_t | pippijn: perhaps this may help http://download.rockbox.org/daily/manual/rockbox-iriverh300/rockbox-build.html |
| 10:11:42 | S_a_i_n_t | as much as I hate to say RTFM |
| 10:12:17 | S_a_i_n_t | but it's always a good start :D |
| 10:15:57 | pippijn | well |
| 10:16:10 | pippijn | I read that |
| 10:16:27 | pippijn | I am now RTFSource |
| 10:16:53 | pippijn | and I know what function to call |
| 10:16:58 | pippijn | I just need to find out, where |
| 10:17:09 | pippijn | and I need to ask some people if it's safe to do |
| 10:17:25 | pippijn | I think so |
| 10:18:07 | S_a_i_n_t | sounds like a good job for the RB Forums. |
| 10:18:10 | pippijn | on clicking [Stop], I want it to call storage_sleepnow() |
| 10:18:15 | pippijn | that should be safe |
| 10:18:36 | pippijn | unless the usb_screen app keeps the disk spinning |
| 10:18:42 | S_a_i_n_t | that'd probably break a LOT of other things that use stop... |
| 10:18:52 | pippijn | usb_acknowledge(SYS_USB_CONNECTED_ACK); |
| 10:18:58 | pippijn | S_a_i_n_t: only in the usb_screen |
| 10:19:10 | pippijn | S_a_i_n_t: the thing that shows up when connecting to a PC |
| 10:19:31 | pippijn | I think that connected ACK tells the driver not to spin down |
| 10:19:38 | pippijn | but I need to look into that some more, later |
| 10:20:12 | pippijn | oh, apparently, it can be used as HID |
| 10:20:18 | pippijn | that would break |
| 10:20:38 | S_a_i_n_t | that's what I was thinking of :D |
| 10:21:27 | S_a_i_n_t | it'd probably break more than that though...just not sure what. |
| 10:22:15 | pippijn | no, I think it's just that :-) |
| 10:22:21 | pippijn | but that's already too much |
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| 10:22:55 | Guest9507 | pixelma: i made a sed s/clip/sansaclip/ when committing the thai lang update |
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| 10:25:39 | pixelma | did you do so for the other language updates too? |
| 10:26:41 | pixelma | I only checked thai so far (and english) |
| 10:26:56 | funman | it was also needed for traditional chinese. i checked before each modification but somehow i missed this one |
| 10:27:55 | pixelma | needed because the patches were from before the target rename? |
| 10:28:00 | funman | yes |
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| 10:32:26 | pippijn | sys_poweroff should shut down the device... |
| 10:32:36 | pippijn | but it doesn't, for me |
| 10:32:42 | pippijn | it says "Battery: Charging" |
| 10:33:18 | pixelma | is this while connected to USB? |
| 10:33:46 | pippijn | no |
| 10:34:02 | pippijn | actually, I was wrong |
| 10:34:06 | pippijn | sys_poweroff isn't called |
| 10:34:11 | pixelma | or maybe your H300 "thinks" it's connected. I think I read about cases like this on misticriver |
| 10:34:27 | pippijn | pixelma: yes.. |
| 10:34:45 | pippijn | it actually thinks it's connected to the battery pack *and* is charging |
| 10:34:53 | pippijn | but it only starts thinking it's charging when turned off |
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| 10:35:26 | pippijn | with the original firmware, I could turn it off but it would say "charging" until I pressed reset |
| 10:35:31 | pippijn | so I can shut it down with reset now, as well |
| 10:35:34 | pippijn | but I'd rather not |
| 10:36:42 | funman | pixelma: should I change the bad descriptions in thai.lang or do you plan to change it (to remove mp3) for every lang ? |
| 10:37:10 | S_a_i_n_t | pippijn: so you had firmware issues *pre*-rockbox? |
| 10:37:33 | pippijn | yes |
| 10:37:39 | pippijn | I have a hardware bug |
| 10:37:57 | S_a_i_n_t | get tho OF sorted, and I'd suggest that RB will follow suit... |
| 10:38:05 | S_a_i_n_t | *the |
| 10:38:28 | pippijn | OF? |
| 10:38:40 | S_a_i_n_t | original firmware |
| 10:38:49 | pippijn | uhm |
| 10:38:55 | pippijn | what do you mean? |
| 10:39:14 | pixelma | funman: maybe commit a fix first. I would like to change the mp3 thing too but maybe it should be a separate commit |
| 10:39:26 | pixelma | S_a_i_n_t: it's a hardware bug |
| 10:40:17 | S_a_i_n_t | don't su[pose it's still under warranty...? |
| 10:40:28 | pippijn | nope |
| 10:40:38 | S_a_i_n_t | :'( |
| 10:40:52 | pippijn | pixelma: are you a developer? |
| 10:42:14 | pippijn | or someone who knows the internals |
| 10:42:34 | S_a_i_n_t | http://www.rockbox.org/wiki/KnowledgeMap |
| 10:42:41 | S_a_i_n_t | http://www.rockbox.org/wiki/WhoDoesWhat |
| 10:42:52 | S_a_i_n_t | that should help... |
| 10:43:05 | pippijn | ah |
| 10:44:32 | CIA-44 | New commit by funman (r24255): thai lang file: revert bad s/clip/sansaclip/ |
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| 10:56:23 | pippijn | yay, sys_poweroff does work |
| 10:56:59 | pippijn | it just takes a while |
| 10:59:18 | funman | sys_poweroff_in_an_hour() |
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| 11:01:41 | S_a_i_n_t | there's your problem lol, expecting something you want to happen to happen immediately...when does that ever work like it should? :P |
| 11:02:42 | pippijn | not that kind of while but hm.. like 15 seconds |
| 11:03:13 | * | S_a_i_n_t :-0 |
| 11:03:25 | pippijn | I'll just hack it so the firmware never thinks the charger is inserted |
| 11:03:28 | pippijn | maybe that helps |
| 11:03:41 | S_a_i_n_t | probably not in this case... |
| 11:03:50 | S_a_i_n_t | *maybe*? |
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| 11:04:45 | pippijn | it probably helps this case |
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| 11:04:59 | pippijn | yep, it does |
| 11:05:34 | pippijn | oh wait.. |
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| 11:05:45 | pippijn | yep |
| 11:05:57 | pippijn | http://ix.io/Fb |
| 11:06:05 | pippijn | this code wants to know if a charger is inserted |
| 11:06:11 | pippijn | and since the hardware says yes, it never shuts down |
| 11:06:15 | pippijn | now it does |
| 11:06:43 | pippijn | does the bootloader usb boot charge? |
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| 11:07:58 | pixelma | pippijn: I think I read about a quite adventurous hardware fix on misticriver - even though I never read it much... weird - I don't know if you can find it still |
| 11:08:23 | pippijn | pixelma: you mean short circuiting the usb port? |
| 11:08:38 | pixelma | it was something like this, yes |
| 11:08:45 | pippijn | I saw it |
| 11:08:51 | pippijn | and it wasn't for me |
| 11:08:55 | S_a_i_n_t | well, that's 'adventurous' |
| 11:09:01 | pippijn | the person was having my problem in addition to another one |
| 11:09:12 | pippijn | he fixed the other one with the short circuit |
| 11:09:12 | pixelma | ok |
| 11:09:23 | pippijn | mine is a hardware error |
| 11:09:30 | pippijn | the charging ic is broken |
| 11:09:37 | pippijn | the issue is known |
| 11:09:46 | pippijn | and iriver says "send it in, we give you a new mainboard" |
| 11:09:54 | pippijn | (if you have warranty) |
| 11:10:05 | S_a_i_n_t | of course. |
| 11:10:10 | pippijn | of course, I'd have void that if I even had any |
| 11:10:18 | S_a_i_n_t | *sigh*...word of mouth should work lol |
| 11:10:27 | pippijn | well |
| 11:10:39 | pippijn | this hack works |
| 11:10:51 | pippijn | I don't need to fix my hardware if I can work around it with software |
| 11:10:52 | S_a_i_n_t | get posting then :D |
| 11:11:11 | pippijn | those people use the original firmware |
| 11:11:16 | pippijn | they can't fix it |
| 11:11:31 | pippijn | and my fix is also not exactly the best one could imagine |
| 11:11:48 | pippijn | a better fix would probably be adding a software shutdown menu item to the root menu |
| 11:11:53 | pippijn | it's there for some models |
| 11:12:05 | pippijn | I added it, but I prefer my hack |
| 11:12:10 | pippijn | it's faster |
| 11:12:41 | pixelma | what happens if the idle shutdown kicks in? |
| 11:12:51 | pippijn | pixelma: I guess that works |
| 11:12:58 | pippijn | haven't waited for it, yet |
| 11:13:01 | pippijn | let me check the code |
| 11:13:24 | S_a_i_n_t | there's probably a reason it wasn't fixed like that to begin with, I'm thinking something may break down the line you haven't noticed? |
| 11:13:32 | S_a_i_n_t | seems to obvious for the devs to miss |
| 11:13:52 | pippijn | S_a_i_n_t: nah |
| 11:14:01 | pippijn | S_a_i_n_t: the iriver devs don't software-fix hardware bugs |
| 11:14:23 | * | S_a_i_n_t is talking about RB devs |
| 11:14:33 | pippijn | ah |
| 11:15:00 | pippijn | well |
| 11:15:25 | pippijn | it would be rather trivial to add a setting "enable iRiver HW Poweroff bug workaround" |
| 11:15:34 | pippijn | and that would probably just work |
| 11:15:48 | pippijn | as for why they haven't done it, yet |
| 11:16:00 | pippijn | I guess nobody has entered this channel with my problem, before |
| 11:16:02 | pippijn | it's rather rare |
| 11:16:07 | pippijn | not many google hits on it |
| 11:16:39 | S_a_i_n_t | ...I'd say there's a reason for it, but as to what the reason is, would just be speculation on my part. |
| 11:17:33 | pippijn | pixelma: the idle timeout would have worked before |
| 11:17:54 | pippijn | pixelma: ah no, it wouldn'T |
| 11:18:08 | pippijn | pixelma: with the charger plugged in, idle poweroff is disabled |
| 11:19:00 | pippijn | anyway |
| 11:19:14 | pippijn | I now need a "force hdd spindown" in the usb screen |
| 11:39:44 | pippijn | excellent |
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| 12:09:55 | Az|mob | Anybody else in here use an sansa e280 and run an asus p5n-d in their desktop? |
| 12:11:56 | Az|mob | I ask, because after the last month of painfully and constantly rebuilding my system over and over, I find out that my machine has only been crashing on boot when my rockbox'd sansa is plugged in when I boot |
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| 12:13:45 | Az|mob | which has costed me an unfortunate amount of money as I replaced 80% of the machine under the impression that the parts in question were toast |
| 12:14:51 | Az|mob | not that I'm trying to sound like I'm expecting compensation, but if this incompatability could be at least heard, it would make me feel less like shit |
| 12:19:57 | pippijn | so basically, you're saying that connecting a rockbox device to a certain asus mainboard, it makes that mainboard crash? |
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| 12:22:02 | AlexP | Az|mob: Never heard of that |
| 12:22:17 | AlexP | Az|mob: It is fine when plugged in under the OF on boot? |
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| 12:25:08 | pixelma | or with other USB mass storage devices plugged on boot |
| 12:25:16 | Az|mob | yes |
| 12:26:04 | Az|mob | I have a cardreader plugged in that always has a 2 gig SD card in it in here, my flash drive is usually plugged in... |
| 12:26:29 | AlexP | But the e200 specifically with the OF? |
| 12:28:30 | Az|mob | the only times I could actually get the machine to boot while the sansa was plugged it was when I got fed up with it not booting, cut the power for the night and tried again the next morning, in which case the sansa would shut off in the 4 hours I slept, and would start again with the O/F, which would crash because of the SDHC card in it |
| 12:29:37 | AlexP | I'm trying to find out if it is the hardware or Rockbox to blame |
| 12:29:40 | pixelma | is that a "yes" to AlexP's quetion? |
| 12:29:48 | AlexP | Not if the OF had crashed |
| 12:30:05 | AlexP | But if you never tried with the OF running, we have no idea if it was hardware or Rockbox |
| 12:30:11 | pixelma | well, the Sansa OF crashes for a different reason |
| 12:30:31 | AlexP | yes, and if it had crashed then it wouldn't be doing anything over USB |
| 12:30:58 | pixelma | what happens with the connected Sansa in the OF but without the card? |
| 12:31:06 | Az|mob | in which case the sansa wouldn't show up period |
| 12:31:10 | Az|mob | no clue |
| 12:31:42 | AlexP | Then we can't do much |
| 12:31:44 | Az|mob | I tend not to remove the card, mostly because it's glued in the sansa |
| 12:32:10 | AlexP | It could either be a hardware incompatability between the sansa and your mobo, or a Rockbox USB issue |
| 12:32:17 | AlexP | But without testing we have no idea which |
| 12:32:23 | Az|mob | I have a different sansa I could try, which I belive runs the O/F |
| 12:32:24 | pixelma | I wonder though if HID could have anything to do with it (as then it's not a "simple" mass storage device anymore). What build are you running? |
| 12:33:06 | AlexP | Az|mob: That would be useful if it also prevented booting when Rockbox was running |
| 12:34:34 | Az|mob | I'm running r23812-091201, accoeding to the version string from rockbox info under debug |
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| 12:35:42 | Az|mob | haven't updated in a while because the machine has spent the past month and a half in the states of plain out *dead*, and than not-booting seemingly erratically |
| 12:38:31 | Az|mob | I'm going to try rebooting with the HID plugin disabled, and see if that does it |
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| 12:39:54 | Az|mob | that was it, it seems |
| 12:40:20 | Az|mob | sansa is plugged in, HID device mode disabled, machine boots |
| 12:41:13 | * | Az|mob makes a mental note to disable the HID plugin on any of his friend's players before updating them again |
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| 12:43:28 | Az|mob | now if only I could get SLI to cooperate... |
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| 12:48:48 | pixelma | unfortunately he left. In my understanding I'd still think that his mainboard's boot (firmware?) is at fault if it crashes due to some USB devices plugged in. (and it's not a HID plugin :\ ) |
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| 13:19:06 | pippijn | it would be so cool if one could connect two devices and play pong together |
| 13:21:23 | Akranis | Wouldn't it be theoritcally possible, if both devices have a line-in port, using it as a sort of link-cable-voice-modem? |
| 13:21:46 | TheSeven | probably yes, if anyone wants to code that :-) |
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| 13:22:42 | Akranis | If it gets fast enough, one could probably even use it to trade mp3s |
| 13:24:28 | Akranis | Does anyone here he know if someone still works on the iAudio 7 port btw? I got one for christmas, and I would like to help porting it, because the factory firmware was pretty bad. |
| 13:25:39 | Akranis | The wiki article on the iAudio was last updated in 2008. |
| 13:34:05 | AlexP | Nothing new |
| 13:35:29 | soap | JdGordon, is there a problem with the changed logo |
| 13:35:31 | soap | ? |
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| 13:40:58 | Boopop | Hi all, Rockbox building the music database on my 80GB iPod is draining the battery 0.o Any ideas? |
| 13:41:08 | AlexP | plug it in? |
| 13:41:26 | Boopop | Yesterday I tried to do it and the battery went dead before it finished, this time I've started it with a full battery and it's still draining the battery despite being plugged in |
| 13:41:42 | AlexP | yes, the charging in Rockbox isn't at full whack |
| 13:41:58 | AlexP | It shouldn't take that long though |
| 13:42:00 | pippijn | Akranis: what about the usb host controller? |
| 13:42:15 | AlexP | Boopop: There is a tool that'll do it from the PC too |
| 13:42:44 | Boopop | well it's been going for the past couple of hours or so and the battery looks like it's at about 30% |
| 13:43:06 | pippijn | http://www.rockbox.org/wiki/IriverH3XXHardwareComponents#Philips_ISP1362_Single_chip_USB |
| 13:43:15 | Boopop | I have about 9000 tracks and it's at 5776 |
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| 13:44:32 | Akranis | pippijn: ? |
| 13:44:46 | pippijn | the iriver has a usb controller |
| 13:44:58 | pippijn | couldn't they communicate over a usb cable? |
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| 13:45:12 | Akranis | pippijn: Probably, I guess. |
| 13:45:24 | pippijn | :-) |
| 13:45:55 | Akranis | Although I don't know that much about working with hardware though. |
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| 13:50:52 | pippijn | how is the H300 bootloader broken? |
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| 14:03:17 | CIA-44 | New commit by teru (r24256): change dependencies in make files: ... |
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| 14:13:07 | pippijn | [1] 6467 segmentation fault ./rockboxui |
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| 14:19:33 | pippijn | hm |
| 14:19:36 | pippijn | can't reproduce |
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| 14:54:37 | pippijn | is it normal for debug builds to hang for over a minute (and counting) in the boot loader? |
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| 15:01:00 | Boopop | gah, battery's about to go dead again =/ |
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| 15:19:33 | CIA-44 | New commit by bertrik (r24257): Sansa c200v2: enable battery charging |
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| 15:22:06 | pippijn | are line out and the headphones on the iriver h320 separately addressable? |
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| 15:24:40 | Unhelpful | funman: it is 2GB |
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| 15:30:04 | RdGk | Hi, I need a write permission for the Rockbox Wiki to add a new port to Philips SA2920. |
| 15:30:42 | RdGk | Anyone here responsible for the permissions? |
| 15:31:09 | pixelma | RdGk: what's your wiki name? |
| 15:31:38 | RdGk | RdGk as well |
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| 15:33:59 | pixelma | I see you put your complete name in the wiki page but you should compose your wiki name from it without abreviation (as far as I know this is explained on the registration page) |
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| 15:58:03 | pixelma | this reminds me... does anyone else doubt that Frater Mus is a real name? |
| 15:59:21 | gevaerts | pixelma: yes |
| 15:59:36 | * | gevaerts is extremely doubtful about that |
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| 16:00:53 | AlexP | Maybe it is a monk |
| 16:01:30 | * | AlexP seems to remember from his schholboy latin that frater is brother :) |
| 16:01:46 | AlexP | Although misspelling school isn't a great advertisement |
| 16:01:49 | pixelma | someone gave him write permissions last week or so |
| 16:01:50 | Unhelpful | as in frater-nal twins? |
| 16:02:08 | AlexP | Unhelpful: yep |
| 16:03:05 | Unhelpful | but yes, it seems a bit odd |
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| 16:13:10 | * | domonoky wonders why current checkwps says that all sansa themes fail the check.. |
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| 16:17:55 | domonoky | oh, did someone change the target names in the buildall script ? |
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| 16:20:28 | bertrik | there was a big target rename about 6 weeks or so ago |
| 16:21:10 | domonoky | sure, but we didnt change the names in the themepage and for checkwps, because else all would break. |
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| 16:21:32 | domonoky | and it looks like someone did that to checkwps a few days ago. |
| 16:21:55 | * | domonoky goes looking for who to blame :-) |
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| 16:23:06 | domonoky | the problem is that changing the target names on the theme page break current rbutil. |
| 16:23:43 | domonoky | but now current checkpwps names and the themepage dont fit. Also the release checkwps binarys have still the old naming :-/ |
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| 16:27:59 | domonoky | arg, mcuelenaere broke it . And i cant easily revert that, because checkwps now uses the target names from configure :-/ |
| 16:29:09 | domonoky | so i have now the choice what to break. There is no way to keep all working :-/ |
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| 16:33:41 | * | domonoky thinks its probably the best todo the naming change on the themepage too. But then current rbutil cant install those themes anymore.. |
| 16:33:58 | AlexP | New rbutil release! |
| 16:34:28 | domonoky | yes, that would then be needed to fix it. |
| 16:34:43 | AlexP | That'd also get e.g. nano 2g support in a released version |
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| 16:36:01 | domonoky | jup. lets poke bluebrot1er to make a new release (and fix rbutil mac binarys in his rbutil release skript). :-) |
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| 16:42:21 | Boopop | Can someone help me with trying to initialize the database on my iPod 5G? |
| 16:42:35 | Boopop | everytime it tries to do it it kills the battery and restarts, even when it is plugged into the power |
| 16:42:37 | Boopop | =/ |
| 16:46:16 | evilnick | It would be a good idea to run chkdsk on the iPod |
| 16:46:34 | gevaerts | and check if dircache is enabled |
| 16:47:07 | pixelma | or first try with only some files (in case it chokes on some tags) |
| 16:47:20 | Boopop | well it's finding the files OK |
| 16:47:37 | Boopop | it gets to about 8500 out of 9000, which takes a good hour or so, then the battery dies |
| 16:47:49 | Boopop | this is while it's plugged into the mains too |
| 16:48:22 | Boopop | I'm trying the database tool now |
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| 17:00:29 | S_a_i_n_t | 8500 tracks takes an hour? sheesh...that doesn't seem right. |
| 17:01:03 | * | gevaerts really suspects lack of dircache |
| 17:01:34 | * | S_a_i_n_t is willing to agree with that at this stage, but has just started reading :D |
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| 17:10:45 | CIA-44 | New commit by tomers (r24261): Fractals: Fix red |
| 17:18:28 | * | tomers Will fix other reds later tonight |
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| 18:03:00 | JdGordon | soap: no, it just threw me... its a good thing to do on official test builds :) |
| 18:03:38 | soap | It was crude, but gets the point across. |
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| 18:06:01 | liar | hi TheSeven |
| 18:06:05 | liar | i've found the reason why an usb connection kills my nano2g |
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| 18:14:21 | S_a_i_n_t | liar: do tell... |
| 18:14:42 | * | pamaury would really like to fix a dircache bug but fears to break things :( |
| 18:16:52 | liar | TheSeven: ep_recv(ep,>NULL<,length); if i replace NULL with some dummy it works. |
| 18:18:35 | GodEater_ | did the artist badge "competition" we ran on the forums just die? |
| 18:18:59 | liar | and i think the DIEPTSIZ at line 308 should be DOEPTSIZ |
| 18:19:18 | tmzt | some value? |
| 18:19:37 | gevaerts | 308? |
| 18:20:01 | gevaerts | ah, I guess 294 in plain svn |
| 18:20:23 | gevaerts | and yes, that looks wrong |
| 18:20:41 | tmzt | liar: sorry, some dummy value? what is that paramter? |
| 18:21:02 | liar | gevaerts: ah yeah.. sorry |
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| 18:23:16 | liar | tmzt: the recieved data |
| 18:23:58 | tmzt | a pointer? |
| 18:24:26 | gevaerts | tmzt: look at the code, it's pretty clear |
| 18:24:45 | tmzt | okay |
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| 18:48:40 | Willy | Anyone here have the permissions to edit a bug report? |
| 18:49:34 | S_a_i_n_t | I'd say that's quite likely... |
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| 18:50:32 | Willy | http://www.rockbox.org/tracker/task/10917 last line should be: Example MP3 of issue #1 attached. |
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| 18:51:38 | gevaerts | done |
| 18:51:49 | Willy | thanks ya |
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| 19:11:53 | pamaury | If anyone here has time to lose, you can review FS #10916 about usb capability for the simulator ;) |
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| 19:20:16 | CIA-44 | New commit by tomers (r24262): Fractals: Fix SAMSUNG_YH_PAD key assignment. Also fixes red |
| 19:21:09 | tomers | pamuary: |
| 19:21:34 | tomers | pamuary: This is a super-cool feature! I haven't got time to test ATM, though... |
| 19:21:52 | pamaury | tomers: thanks for you interest |
| 19:22:22 | tomers | pamuary: Does this project supports USB interrupt transfers? That's what the HID needs |
| 19:22:32 | pamaury | yes it does |
| 19:22:44 | * | pamaury slaps tomers because his name is pamaury and not pamuary |
| 19:22:59 | tomers | Does it enumerates properly (USB HID devices under one composite device)? |
| 19:23:04 | tomers | oops. sorry... |
| 19:23:07 | pamaury | yes |
| 19:23:24 | tomers | But does HID works? |
| 19:23:54 | pamaury | Basically I tested it by enabling HID and usbserial and was able to properly enumerate, properly use HID (with a plugin only) and properly use usbserial |
| 19:24:31 | pamaury | For an unknown reason I couldn't use HID from the main menu, I guess it's a feature of the usb screen |
| 19:24:54 | pamaury | So I checked with remote_control plugin and it worked |
| 19:25:21 | TheSeven | liar: nice catch! |
| 19:25:28 | * | TheSeven wonders why that worked for him for so long |
| 19:25:59 | tomers | pamuary: of course! It's not compiled to to #ifndef SIMULATOR... |
| 19:26:22 | tomers | I've been in the ifdef hell there before :-) I 'viewportified' that screen... |
| 19:26:24 | AlexP | GodEater_: Somewhat, but let's revive it |
| 19:27:01 | TheSeven | where is that ep_recv(ep,>NULL<,length);? |
| 19:28:44 | pamaury | tomers: indeed. But anyway, the usb screen is not active because it's only for exclusive storage mode and the only driver thats uses is usbstorage. As storage is mostly a stub in the simulator, usbstorage doesn't make sense so it's not compiled. |
| 19:29:03 | tomers | pamaury: Please replace all occurrences of SIMULATOR with SIMULATOR_WO_USB, where #if defined(SIMULATOR) && !defined(USB_VHCI_DRIVER_DEBUG) −−> #define SIMULATOR_WO_USB |
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| 19:30:01 | tomers | pamuary: But having SIMULATOR_WO_USB can be used also for this... You will be able to compile all the mass storage stuff in simulator properly |
| 19:30:19 | tomers | s/pamuary/pamaury/ |
| 19:30:45 | * | kugel wonders if tomers has any sort of tab-nick-autocompletition |
| 19:30:58 | pamaury | What 'WO' stands for ? Also why check against USB_VHCI_DRIVER_DEBUG ? |
| 19:31:53 | tomers | gevaerts: I think that USB stack doesn't handle both HIS and MS transfers concurrently. What do we know about this? |
| 19:32:05 | tomers | kugel: No... |
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| 19:32:20 | * | tomers Uses ChatZilla |
| 19:32:32 | * | TheSeven has that feature in ChatZilla |
| 19:32:37 | pamaury | tomers: HIS ? |
| 19:32:54 | TheSeven | probably HID? |
| 19:32:55 | tomers | s/HIS/HID... too many typos for one day :-) |
| 19:33:17 | kugel | does it also make every of your sentences start with an upper case letter? :) and yes, chatzilla *has* nick completition |
| 19:33:19 | pamaury | the usbstack works with both HID and UMS active, afaik |
| 19:34:48 | pamaury | tomers: but you didn't answered my questions. Why 'WO' ? and why such a definition ? (USB_VHCI_DRIVER_DEBUG only allows the log lots of things to the console to debug it) |
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| 19:35:11 | * | kugel guesses WO = without |
| 19:35:28 | tomers | kugel, TheSeven, how do I configure ChatZilla to autocomplete username? |
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| 19:35:39 | JdGordon | doesnt pressing tab just do it? |
| 19:35:44 | JdGordon | t<tab> |
| 19:35:51 | * | tomers Thought that sentences in English starts with a capital letter :-) |
| 19:35:53 | TheSeven | I also can't remember explicitly enabling that |
| 19:36:03 | TheSeven | well, /me sentences don't ;-) |
| 19:36:13 | tomers | JdGordon: Thanks! It works |
| 19:37:01 | * | TheSeven wonders what liar meant above regarding that NULL |
| 19:37:52 | pamaury | tomers: I don't really see the point is SIMULATOR_WO_USB because there is already HAVE_USBSTACK for that. Just #unfdef HAVE_USBSTACK and the usb code won't be compiled (If I did the job properly) |
| 19:38:21 | tomers | pamaury: the basic idea is not to use SIMULATOR in places that you want code that once did not compile to compile, because now you got USB in simulator. So the idea is to use some other define to specify 'simulator with (or without) USB'. e.g. SIMULATOR_USB, and use it in places like the USB screen |
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| 19:38:53 | kugel | gevaerts: I was wondering why you think that usb simulation shouldn't be compiled for sims of hw usb targets |
| 19:39:25 | tomers | pamaury: maybe you're right. look at the code and check whether it uses HAVE_USBSTACK or the SIMULATOR defines for the usb screen |
| 19:41:27 | pamaury | tomers: I designed the code so that simulator_with_usb=SIMULATOR && HAVE_USBSTACK and simulator_without_usb=SIMULATOR && !HAVE_USBSTACK. Now it's obvious that places likes UMS and usb screen weren't coded with simulator in mind so I think they only check against SIMULATOR |
| 19:42:20 | kugel | why check for SIMULATOR anyway? |
| 19:42:20 | tomers | pamaury: great. so can it be fixed in your patch? is it needed at all? |
| 19:43:45 | kugel | is there any code that needs to separate target-usb and simulator-usb? |
| 19:44:18 | pamaury | basically SOURCES file |
| 19:44:35 | kugel | that's not code, though :p |
| 19:44:44 | pamaury | Ah and yes, some system vs system-sdl import I think |
| 19:46:11 | pamaury | tomers: what do you think needs to be fixed ? |
| 19:47:21 | pamaury | kugel: I don't think I really check against both SIMULATOR and HAVE_USBSTACK in the code, it's just a way to say that HAVE_USBSTACK determines whether the usb simulation code is built or not in the simulator. |
| 19:47:48 | tomers | pamaury: I haven't looked at the code, just out of memory, so maybe I am talking nonsense here. when you connect usb in simulator, does it show the usb icon, and 'Multimedia Mode' or whatever? It should be able to actually send those HID transfers to the host |
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| 19:49:03 | tomers | There's a lot of ifdef hell in these areas, so I haven't got a specific knowledge of what should be done. I'm just suggesting to have it working as a real target. |
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| 19:49:35 | pamaury | No because Rockbox only shows that screen if it's in exclusive storage mode. Currently, only UMS requires exclusive storage mode so if UMS is not enabled, the usb screen is not called so you can continue to use your DAP while it's connected to the host. |
| 19:50:13 | pamaury | So it's normal, if you deactive UMS on a real target, it will be the same |
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| 19:50:55 | TheSeven | gevaerts: did you get what liar meant above? |
| 19:51:11 | tomers | pamaury: so how exactly does this feature is used, if not to emulate a UMS mode, as it is actually done in the real target? |
| 19:52:24 | TheSeven | he is definitely right about that 308/294 bug, but I don't see what he means with the NULL thing above |
| 19:53:47 | pamaury | tomers: currently it's more a toy because the only working usb driver is HID (and usbserial but that's useless). If you think it's an issue, I can work to make usbstorage work but as storage is a stub, it won't do anything. Or perhaps I can make it use a ramdisk |
| 19:56:45 | tomers | pamaury: I think I don't fully understand what benefit it will give to the simulator. but it's still super-cool :-) |
| 19:58:39 | pamaury | I will be able to develop MTP code without plugging my device every minute to debug it ;) More generally, it's useful if you want to develop code that is not hardware specific and that's needs usb. |
| 19:59:25 | gevaerts | TheSeven: apparently for OUT transfers, (i.e. receive from the device point of view), the hardware (or lower bits of the driver, not sure) want a real address to send the data to, even if there is no actual data |
| 19:59:41 | tomers | pamaury: nice! but for debugging MTP you will still need the usb screen, don't you? |
| 19:59:45 | pamaury | No |
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| 20:00:05 | TheSeven | gevaerts: that doesn't match my observations at all |
| 20:00:08 | * | tomers gives up :-) |
| 20:00:14 | pamaury | MTP code works without usb screen because it works at file level so it's doesn't require exclusive storage |
| 20:00:35 | tomers | ok |
| 20:00:36 | pamaury | tomers: It's simple. You have two usb modes in Rockbox: |
| 20:00:43 | TheSeven | but as a null in there could potentially kill the interrupt vectors, getting rid of them is a good idea anyways |
| 20:01:17 | pamaury | -exclusive storage mode: the usb driver access the drive directly so normal API file is dangerous, so to avoid any conflict, the usb screen prevent the use from using the DAP |
| 20:01:43 | pamaury | -non exclusive storage mode: the usb driver uses the normal API so the user can continue to use the DAP normally |
| 20:02:29 | tomers | pamaury: thanks for the explanation |
| 20:02:37 | gevaerts | kugel: in my view the goal is to (a) make the simulator more similar to the real thing, and (b) (which I guess is why pamaury does this) help debugging the USB stack. I think (but that's just my opinion) that right now (especially since the sim doesn't do MSC yet) that the code and behaviour between HW and SW USB is too different for enabling the simulation to make sense |
| 20:03:00 | gevaerts | You'd get thinfs like HID and MTP that the real hardware will just never do |
| 20:03:12 | gevaerts | TheSeven: maybe different hardware revisions? |
| 20:03:39 | kugel | hrm right, although I think not simulating at all is worse |
| 20:03:51 | gevaerts | tomers: the should be able to handle concurrent transfers. If that doesn't work properly, it would explain some observations... |
| 20:04:23 | pamaury | kugel: simulating the whole usb stack without UMS on the target that only does HW UMS is kind of bizarre |
| 20:04:35 | pamaury | *a target |
| 20:04:56 | tomers | gevaerts: I really hope to have time (and resources) to work on it this weekend |
| 20:05:02 | kugel | just a bit :) |
| 20:05:22 | gevaerts | pamaury: simulating USB at all already is :) |
| 20:05:40 | kugel | but if it doesn't do UMS, then it doesn't make a lot sense, indeed |
| 20:05:44 | gevaerts | tomers: if it's buggy, my guess is that that's going to be specific to the arc driver |
| 20:06:08 | CIA-44 | New commit by theseven (r24263): Fix iPod Nano 2G USB: ... |
| 20:06:28 | tomers | gevaerts: I transferred files to my e200, while (accidentialy) pressing some button. It was using Windows 7. The transferred stalled. And windows got really slow and unresponsive. even after disconnecting the player. so there's obviously something wrong with Window's stack, but our stack is probably buggy too |
| 20:06:45 | pamaury | also, if people are interested, I plan to work on simulator storage and UMS. But there are choices to make here such as how to implement storage which are not related to usb. |
| 20:07:12 | gevaerts | pamaury: you could do UMS easily of course using the ramdisk code in usb_storage.c, but I guess people would like something slightly more useful |
| 20:07:45 | gevaerts | tomers: yes, that's the issues we have for some setups. I don't really have a clue though |
| 20:08:16 | pippijn | is there any documentation on the rockbox architecture? |
| 20:09:10 | tomers | gevaerts: I hope to have a usb sniffer for the weekend, and i'll look into it |
| 20:09:20 | gevaerts | tomers: great! |
| 20:09:21 | pamaury | gevaerts, tomers: what is the issue you're talking about ? |
| 20:10:22 | tomers | pamaury: Sending HID traffic (Interrupt transfer type) while MS transfers (BULK transfer type) is going |
| 20:11:10 | pamaury | is it driver specific or usbstack related ? |
| 20:11:35 | pippijn | ah, there is some documentation on all kinds of things |
| 20:11:38 | * | pippijn goes read |
| 20:11:38 | gevaerts | pippijn: http://www.rockbox.org/wiki/DocsIndex#For_Developers has some bits, especially the "About the Code" section. Some of it is probably outdated though |
| 20:12:15 | pippijn | thanks |
| 20:13:19 | pippijn | do codecs run continuously? |
| 20:13:48 | pippijn | never mind... |
| 20:13:55 | pippijn | I should read more code before asking stupid questions |
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| 20:17:43 | pippijn | what's wrong with the bootloader? I was told the one in trunk is broken (at least for iriver H320) |
| 20:18:20 | GodEater_ | pippijn: we don't know what's wrong with it specifically, except it will brick H3xx players |
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| 20:18:51 | pippijn | h |
| 20:18:53 | pippijn | hm |
| 20:19:04 | * | TheSeven loves unbrickable devices :-) |
| 20:19:16 | pippijn | what device is unbrickable? |
| 20:19:37 | TheSeven | everything that has a non-overwritable recovery mode |
| 20:19:37 | GodEater_ | nearly everything that isn't an iRiver H100 or H300 |
| 20:19:37 | S_a_i_n_t | iPods...generally speaking. |
| 20:19:46 | pippijn | oh |
| 20:20:04 | GodEater_ | the later Sansas are possible to brick apparently, but less easy |
| 20:20:07 | TheSeven | S_a_i_n_t: don't say that. especially the old ones sometimes get bricked even by itunes :-) |
| 20:20:19 | gevaerts | TheSeven: even, or only? |
| 20:20:21 | S_a_i_n_t | though, some people have gotten PRETTY close to bricking an iPod, or had a good go at it rather. |
| 20:20:48 | stooo | not really possible |
| 20:20:49 | GodEater_ | the only way to brick an ipod is to pull the power whilst it's doing an APPLE firmware upgrade |
| 20:21:01 | stooo | but many people wash them :) |
| 20:21:01 | GodEater_ | i.e. a hard reset in the middle |
| 20:21:05 | TheSeven | GodEater_: or the updater locking up |
| 20:21:18 | GodEater_ | TheSeven: I've never seen that happen, or heard of someone it's happened to previously |
| 20:21:26 | S_a_i_n_t | can't it recover from that? |
| 20:21:31 | GodEater_ | S_a_i_n_t: no |
| 20:21:43 | TheSeven | if the NOR image is corrupted, you'll need to do some soldering to fix it... |
| 20:21:50 | S_a_i_n_t | shit...I've been a REALLY lucky boy then |
| 20:22:13 | GodEater_ | but doing things to them in Rockbox? There's no way to brick them. |
| 20:22:23 | GodEater_ | unless you use our recommended technique |
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| 20:22:31 | S_a_i_n_t | hahahah! |
| 20:22:32 | GodEater_ | of a hammer, applied with considerable force. |
| 20:22:36 | S_a_i_n_t | what is that again? |
| 20:22:43 | GodEater_ | a lot |
| 20:22:48 | S_a_i_n_t | ^^ |
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| 20:23:02 | TheSeven | since the classic and nano3g, they should be really unbrickable... |
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| 20:23:15 | TheSeven | but yes, that's exactly the devices that aren't (hopefully yet) supported |
| 20:23:16 | GodEater_ | yes, DFU mode is a good idea |
| 20:23:59 | Akranis | "Everytime you make something more idiotproof, someone makes a better idiot" - Someone |
| 20:24:56 | TheSeven | well, making a hammer-proof DAP would really be an interesting challenge :-) |
| 20:25:24 | TheSeven | (someone would just make a bigger hammer?) |
| 20:25:45 | GodEater_ | I'm pretty sure Einstein proved it's not possible to make something hammer proof |
| 20:26:44 | stacker55 | GodEater_: did you get my description of how to get rockbox on the philip gogear hdd6320 ? |
| 20:26:56 | GodEater_ | stacker55: um. no. |
| 20:27:01 | stacker55 | GodEater_: http://pastebin.ca/1751063 - the steps to get rockbox installed on a philips GoGear HDD6320 |
| 20:27:01 | GodEater_ | coulnd't you put it on the wiki? |
| 20:27:12 | stacker55 | (i wrote that last thursday) |
| 20:27:34 | stacker55 | i don't have a wiki account, and didn't want to register just yet |
| 20:27:51 | S_a_i_n_t | oh right, thursday is no-wiki day :D |
| 20:28:01 | tomers | pamaury: don't know where the bug is. maybe in the stack, but probably in the ARC driver (according to gevaerts) |
| 20:28:09 | * | stacker55 enjoys casual sarcasm ;-) |
| 20:28:31 | S_a_i_n_t | awesome! |
| 20:30:03 | Akranis | kugel: On the wiki page for the iAudio 7, it says to hold down the "Mode" button to enter usb boot mode, is that the button labeled M at the top of the player? |
| 20:30:29 | stacker55 | i'm still stuck getting the audio to work on the gogear though - my hdd6320 with RB doen't play mp3's just yet. It gets stuck. And i thought it might have something to do with the lack of a partition table on the disk. But RB is able to start and read the id3 tags; so i figured that wasn't it |
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| 20:35:31 | kugel | Akranis: how would I know? |
| 20:36:57 | Akranis | kugel: I was trying to find out who worked on the port and I sort of picked you at random becuase you had made the last commit in that folder. |
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| 20:48:31 | webguest44 | can someone help me with my ipod? |
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| 20:48:44 | S_a_i_n_t | that depends on what's wrong with it |
| 20:49:09 | jon | it was running rockbox fine and today i cut it on and rockbox.ipod cant be found |
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| 20:49:47 | jonnotthebaptist | i plug it into my windows machine and it doesnt detect my ipod |
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| 20:50:59 | gevaerts | which model is this? |
| 20:51:58 | jonnotthebaptist | 60gb video |
| 20:51:58 | jonnotthebaptist | of the ipod? |
| 20:53:02 | gevaerts | yes, that's what I meant |
| 20:53:12 | gevaerts | does the original firmware still work? |
| 20:54:30 | jonnotthebaptist | no |
| 20:54:43 | jonnotthebaptist | i dont have a problem reformatting it |
| 20:54:49 | jonnotthebaptist | if thats the best solution |
| 20:55:00 | S_a_i_n_t | restore the ipod then, reinsatll rockbox |
| 20:55:06 | kugel | the OF doesn't work anymore? |
| 20:56:29 | Strife89 | If the OF is working fine, but Rockbox is not, then DO NOT REFORMAT. |
| 20:56:43 | jonnotthebaptist | its not |
| 20:56:50 | S_a_i_n_t | he said it wasn't |
| 20:56:58 | S_a_i_n_t | hence, restore the iPod |
| 20:57:03 | jonnotthebaptist | my computer isnt even detecting my ipod being plugged in though |
| 20:57:11 | Strife89 | Hmmmm. |
| 20:57:32 | gevaerts | jonnotthebaptist: is it still in the rockbox bootloader? |
| 20:57:48 | Strife89 | Try reseting the iPod by holding Menu and Select for a few seconds, then. |
| 20:57:56 | jonnotthebaptist | it trys to boot up and gives me an option to reset and another to change disk mode |
| 20:58:07 | jonnotthebaptist | i do the one for disk mode and it just freezes out |
| 20:59:39 | gevaerts | hm, could be a bad disk |
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| 21:00:39 | Strife89 | jonnotthebaptist: Try reseting the iPod, then IMMEDIATELY holding Left (Previous) and Select. |
| 21:00:54 | Strife89 | See if that accpmlishes anything. |
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| 21:01:07 | jonnotthebaptist | its running diagnostics |
| 21:04:03 | pamaury | gevaerts: did you wrote usb_storage ? I don't understand it calls storage_get_info when compiled with USB_USE_RAMDISK |
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| 21:04:55 | gevaerts | pamaury: because I'm lazy :) |
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| 21:05:36 | pamaury | gevaerts: you mean you were lazy to build custom info for ramdisk ? That's really lazy ;) |
| 21:05:41 | gevaerts | pamaury: you need the info anyway, and since USB_USE_RAMDISK was mainly a debugging feature I just grabbed an available struct |
| 21:05:46 | gevaerts | yes :) |
| 21:06:18 | gevaerts | If you want a real ramdisk, there's a full storage-api implementation for that as well |
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| 21:07:33 | webguest63 | sorry my computer felt the urge to restart |
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| 21:08:17 | jonnotthebaptist | ChanServ: when i press previous and select it took me to a diagnostics screen |
| 21:08:43 | Strife89 | jonnotthebaptist: Alright. |
| 21:09:00 | Strife89 | jonnotthebaptist: Hang on, I'm gonna need my own diag screen to look at. |
| 21:10:16 | Strife89 | jonnotthebaptist: Try entering the "IO" submenu. |
| 21:10:40 | Strife89 | Then select "HardDrive". |
| 21:11:23 | jonnotthebaptist | i have an option for hdspecs and hdsmartdata |
| 21:11:39 | Strife89 | Choose HDSmartData. |
| 21:11:58 | Strife89 | gevaerts: How familiar are you with S.M.A.R.T. readings? |
| 21:12:05 | gevaerts | not very |
| 21:12:19 | Strife89 | jonnotthebaptist: Read for me the information displayed. |
| 21:13:09 | jonnotthebaptist | retracts:25 |
| 21:13:15 | jonnotthebaptist | reallocs:0 |
| 21:13:21 | jonnotthebaptist | pending sectors:1 |
| 21:13:33 | jonnotthebaptist | poweron hours 1076 |
| 21:13:42 | jonnotthebaptist | start/stops 10961 |
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| 21:13:55 | Strife89 | This drive has led a long life. |
| 21:14:13 | Strife89 | Go back to the menu. |
| 21:14:27 | Strife89 | We know that the drive is readable, at least. |
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| 21:15:36 | Strife89 | jonnotthebaptist: Let's look at HDScan. It will take a while to scan the drive, but I want to be sure. |
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| 21:16:27 | Strife89 | It seems that it checks to be sure it can read every sector of the drive. |
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| 21:16:33 | Strife89 | It'll take a while on a Video. |
| 21:16:43 | jonnotthebaptist | which is that under? |
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| 21:17:24 | Strife89 | It should be on the menu that HDSMARTData is on. |
| 21:17:34 | Strife89 | Evidently it's not, at least on the video. |
| 21:17:40 | Strife89 | It IS present on my Color. |
| 21:17:48 | Strife89 | Great..... |
| 21:18:04 | | Part froggyman |
| 21:18:09 | Willy | I made a bug report about the mp3_encoder, and it was brought to my attention that one of the bugs I cited was a duplicate of another bug report. I have re-worded the original post, and posted this as a new comment. If you agree, I'd like to have the text in the original post replaced by my new comment (and comment deleted of course). |
| 21:18:15 | Willy | http://www.rockbox.org/tracker/task/10917 |
| 21:18:21 | Strife89 | jonnotthebaptist: You're gonna have to read every menu if you want me to continue helping you. :/ |
| 21:18:40 | Strife89 | My Color's doing the very scan I described. (I can't stop it.) |
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| 21:19:24 | TheSeven | Strife89: can resetting it during the scan really hurt? |
| 21:19:41 | Strife89 | TheSeven: I guess not. |
| 21:20:03 | TheSeven | the worst I could think of is a corrupted sector and an emergency retract... |
| 21:20:08 | jonnotthebaptist | ChanServ: ok i have ntf memory io power accessories test syscfg and reset |
| 21:20:31 | S_a_i_n_t | Strife89: I've tested that theory the hard way...wil no *apparent* ill effects. |
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| 21:20:44 | Willy | anyone with a e200v1 willing to make a quick test of recording to MP3 format? |
| 21:20:51 | jonnotthebaptist | memory tab has sdram and flash |
| 21:21:12 | Strife89 | jonnotthebaptist: Go back up to the main menu. |
| 21:21:37 | Strife89 | What does "NTF" bring up? |
| 21:21:47 | Strife89 | That option is not on my Color. |
| 21:22:06 | jonnotthebaptist | autotest |
| 21:22:26 | Strife89 | Hmmm. |
| 21:22:31 | pamaury | Willy: I can if you tell me what you want me to check |
| 21:22:32 | S_a_i_n_t | I assume autotest is like fiveinone? |
| 21:22:37 | Strife89 | Can you exit it? |
| 21:22:57 | flyback- | <flyback-> anyone using msie, don't for a week or so till m$ released a patch if possible |
| 21:22:57 | flyback- | <flyback-> nasty exploit going around |
| 21:22:57 | Willy | pamaury: does the resluting mp3 have any sound? |
| 21:23:00 | Strife89 | jonnotthebaptist: Let's reset the iPod for now (choose Reset on the main menu). |
| 21:23:15 | pamaury | Willy: wait a minute, I'll try |
| 21:23:21 | Willy | thanks |
| 21:23:21 | jonnotthebaptist | alright |
| 21:23:37 | Strife89 | Slide the Hold switch so that it goes for the OF. |
| 21:24:23 | Strife89 | jonnotthebaptist: Once you're in the original firmware, try to plug in the iPod. |
| 21:24:55 | jonnotthebaptist | there we go |
| 21:24:56 | jonnotthebaptist | that worked |
| 21:25:07 | Strife89 | Okay then. |
| 21:25:08 | jonnotthebaptist | now i would think replacing the file would work |
| 21:25:13 | Strife89 | Now just reinstall Rockbox. |
| 21:25:15 | pamaury | Willy: how do I save it in mp3 format. It's wav for me. |
| 21:25:28 | Strife89 | jonnotthebaptist: It's probably best to install an entire build. |
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| 21:25:49 | Willy | on recording screen, hold middle button till menu appears. Format -> MP3 |
| 21:26:20 | Strife89 | jonnotthebaptist: You know the drill, right? Grab a .zip from the build page on the website and unzip it to your iPod. |
| 21:26:23 | pamaury | Willy: ah indeed, retrying... |
| 21:26:38 | Strife89 | jonnotthebaptist: http://build.rockbox.org/ <−−−− For your convenience. |
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| 21:28:31 | Strife89 | jonnotthebaptist: You probably know this, but remember to make sure that the ".rockbox" folder is unzipped (or copied) to the root directory of the iPod. |
| 21:28:41 | jonnotthebaptist | right |
| 21:28:54 | Strife89 | Standard "make absolutely sure" procedure. :) |
| 21:29:04 | jonnotthebaptist | im reinstalling this right now i will let you know how it goes |
| 21:29:10 | jonnotthebaptist | thanks for getting me here though |
| 21:29:22 | Strife89 | You're welcome, and good luck. :) |
| 21:29:39 | pamaury | Willy: yes I have sound but it's crappy and I have to set to maximum volume to get something slightly audible |
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| 21:30:07 | Strife89 | jonnotthebaptist: Don't forget to disengage the Hold switch as well. |
| 21:30:30 | Willy | pamaury: is this 'something' noise, or your recording? |
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| 21:31:29 | pamaury | I'm recording the output of my computer speakers, that is music. But it's crappy, I hear it but there's lots of noise. I don't know if it comes from the mic or from th encoding |
| 21:32:07 | Willy | thank you for helping |
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| 21:35:57 | Strife89 | JonTheBaptist: Another reboot, I take it? |
| 21:37:08 | JonTheBaptist | ChanServ: yeah |
| 21:37:20 | JonTheBaptist | i dont have access to the disk |
| 21:37:31 | JonTheBaptist | which i assume results from my dad not giving me administrator access |
| 21:38:08 | Strife89 | That shouldn't be the case if it's JUST lack of admin access.... :/ |
| 21:38:39 | JonTheBaptist | wait i can access the drive now |
| 21:38:54 | liar | TheSeven: thanks for commiting a fix for that. you are right with the interrupt vectors - they get overwritten on my nano2g without the fix |
| 21:39:10 | JonTheBaptist | windows headaches |
| 21:39:11 | JonTheBaptist | ugh |
| 21:39:33 | TheSeven | liar: so this thing is receiving data despite of a zero transfersize? |
| 21:39:57 | TheSeven | in that case this won't really be a fix, it'll probably just corrupt other things now |
| 21:40:07 | TheSeven | or wait, it could have been the combination of both bugs |
| 21:40:25 | gevaerts | good point |
| 21:40:40 | pippijn | what happens if a thread function returns? |
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| 21:41:39 | Unhelpful | pippijn: what does the source say? i think it's *supposed* to call an exit function, isn't it? |
| 21:41:41 | TheSeven | but the only case where this could happen would be immediately after a short transfer, and only if the pc sends a non-zero-length ack, which it shouldn't... |
| 21:42:34 | TheSeven | liar: could you please try changing the 0x10000000 pointers to zero and see if the issue comes back? |
| 21:42:53 | pippijn | Unhelpful: it is not allowed to return |
| 21:43:06 | pippijn | Unhelpful: you have to call remove_thread on the thread object |
| 21:43:21 | Unhelpful | pippijn: if you know that... ;) |
| 21:43:37 | pippijn | well, that's what the website says |
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| 21:45:55 | jonhateshiswindo | if it times out on me one more frickin time |
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| 21:47:15 | Strife89 | jonhateshiswindo: Concentrate on getting your iPod back in shape. :) |
| 21:47:40 | Strife89 | If it times out again, just come back if you (a) have a problem or (b) succeed. |
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| 21:49:43 | jonhateshiswindo | ChanServ: also i noticed a recording option |
| 21:49:51 | jonhateshiswindo | could i use this to record lectures? |
| 21:49:54 | jonhateshiswindo | if i bring a mic |
| 21:49:58 | jonhateshiswindo | plug it in etc |
| 21:50:32 | Strife89 | jonhateshiswindo: I believe so, but you shold test it beforehand. |
| 21:51:02 | Strife89 | I know that the Color can record line-in through the "headphone" jack. |
| 21:51:08 | * | pamaury tries UMS+ramdisk with simulator. Pray ! |
| 21:51:16 | Strife89 | I assume the Video does as well. |
| 21:51:37 | flyback- | <flyback> http://qotile.net/audio/sleep_by_tree_wave.mp3 |
| 21:51:37 | flyback- | <flyback> music made with dot matrix printer |
| 21:53:04 | pixelma | flyback-: could you please stop spamming this channel with off-topic things? |
| 21:53:15 | Strife89 | jonhateshiswindo: You will probably need a powered microphone if you plug it into the headphone/line-in jack. |
| 21:53:32 | flyback- | I thought music was on topic :) |
| 21:54:03 | Strife89 | Only if the music somehow has close ties to Rockbox. ;) |
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| 21:54:57 | liar | TheSeven: yes it appears again.. i thought of creating a dummy array and letting ptr point to the array in case ptr==NULL? gevaerts brought that solution |
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| 21:55:12 | flyback- | ok |
| 21:55:19 | jonhateshiswindo | what do you mean by a powered microphone? |
| 21:55:56 | Strife89 | jonhateshiswindo: I mean a microphone that uses its own batteries, instead on recieving power from only the jack it's plugged into. |
| 21:56:04 | Strife89 | s/on/of |
| 21:56:48 | Strife89 | An unpowered mic will probably produce some very soft sound. |
| 21:57:05 | Strife89 | Again, I advise that you just test stuff out. |
| 21:57:31 | Strife89 | The mic you have may be good enough for what you want. |
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| 21:59:19 | TheSeven | liar: I'm currently trying to point it to an address space hole where it can't hurt anyone |
| 21:59:47 | TheSeven | but I would really like to know why it starts writing stuff there in the first place |
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| 22:00:03 | soap | the 4G has a mic input via one of the headphone rings - forget which one. |
| 22:00:06 | soap | The video does not. |
| 22:00:14 | TheSeven | you could try pointing it to an array and have a look what kind of junk it is actually writing... |
| 22:00:19 | soap | The Video / Nano / 4G do line-in only through the dock connector. |
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| 22:06:11 | Willy | what exectuables are used when recording to MP3 format? |
| 22:06:29 | bluebrot1er | Willy: what do you mean by "executables"? |
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| 22:07:34 | jonhateshiswindo | yay it worked |
| 22:07:35 | Willy | When I record to mp3 the files are bad. Older versions or RB work, so I'd like to replace only the files used for mp3 encoding with older versions. |
| 22:07:40 | jonhateshiswindo | i love you forever and ever and ever |
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| 22:08:07 | Willy | *encoding sould be "recording" |
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| 22:08:28 | bluebrother | Willy: well, it's a codec. But the codec is somewhat tied to the Rockbox main binary, so simply replacing the codec isn't adviseable. |
| 22:08:30 | gevaerts | jonhateshiswindo: excellent! |
| 22:08:36 | bluebrother | it _might_ work, but it might also fail. |
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| 22:08:50 | Willy | fun |
| 22:09:11 | domonoky | bluebrother: i have now done the target naming change on the themepage, because checkwps was also renamed so the themesite broke. So we now need a new rbutil release :-) |
| 22:09:20 | bluebrother | have you checked if your installation is "complete"? As in, have you checked if the mp3 encoder codec is probably outdated and didn't got replaced due to some error? |
| 22:09:32 | bluebrother | domonoky: ok :/ |
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| 22:09:41 | domonoky | bluebrother: also someone reported problems with libusb with the current svn osx binarys. |
| 22:10:17 | bluebrother | hmm. That's somewhat problematic as I don't have any other machine to test. |
| 22:10:38 | bluebrother | but will check. |
| 22:10:45 | Willy | blueborther: yeah - I used a program that syncs two folders based on MD5 checksums |
| 22:10:53 | domonoky | it looks like your osx binarys didnt use static libusb. instead a libusb.x.x.dylib was included, but somehow failed to load. |
| 22:11:13 | jonhateshiswindo | now i get to play with my mic |
| 22:11:51 | bluebrother | interesting. I've used the libusb packages as stated on the RockboxUtilityDevelopment wiki page. |
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| 22:13:24 | liar | TheSeven: is the data after ep_recv immediately valid or where should i check the content? |
| 22:13:49 | domonoky | i also had problems with those libs when i was building the osx binarys. the only working way was to remove the libusb.dylib from the system, so rbutil building is forced to use the static libusb.a file. (but dont know if libusb handling changed since then) |
| 22:13:57 | TheSeven | ep_recv only triggers the transfer |
| 22:14:04 | TheSeven | you'll need to check that later |
| 22:14:22 | TheSeven | i'm not even sure if the corruption would occur before or after the completion event |
| 22:14:32 | TheSeven | so i would just suggest waiting some seconds and then dumping the contents |
| 22:15:02 | * | TheSeven really needs to build an ibugger loader that can be started from within rockbox |
| 22:15:25 | * | S_a_i_n_t agrees wholeheartedly with that... |
| 22:15:50 | domonoky | bluebrother: or maybe libusb was for the wrong osx version ? the user who reported it said he has osx10.4 |
| 22:16:27 | CIA-44 | New commit by tomers (r24264): Fractals: Prevent zooming more than deepest possible zoom ... |
| 22:16:33 | bluebrother | maybe. I'm still not really familiar with that stuff |
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| 22:21:54 | CIA-44 | New commit by tomers (r24265): Fractals: Use more colors |
| 22:22:45 | * | tomers The red is not my fault. It's ccache who killed it :-) |
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| 22:24:49 | tomers | s/who/which |
| 22:25:54 | Torne | is there any nice way to explain to the user in a plugin why some of the menu options that are normally there are not available at present? |
| 22:26:23 | Torne | frotz has numerous menu options which can only work when the game being interpreted is prompting for input; they don't work when the interpreter is just waiting for yu to press a key before scrolling the screen |
| 22:26:32 | S_a_i_n_t | because "it just is"? |
| 22:26:42 | Torne | I mean explain in teh plugin |
| 22:27:12 | S_a_i_n_t | oh, why would you need to explain the absence? |
| 22:27:19 | S_a_i_n_t | if its there, it's there right? |
| 22:27:27 | Torne | context sensitive menus normally have some actual indication that the context is different; it's not immediately apparent that the [MORE] prompt is a different kind of thing than the text prompt |
| 22:27:37 | gevaerts | bluebrother: is there something wrong on your build client? |
| 22:27:38 | Torne | and you can't, for example, restart the game while at a MORE prompt |
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| 22:28:20 | S_a_i_n_t | I'm not sure there is a 'nice' way to explain it, not ingame at least. |
| 22:28:25 | S_a_i_n_t | in the manual, sure. |
| 22:28:44 | bluebrother | gevaerts: no idea, but I'm already checking |
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| 22:29:30 | domonoky | Torne: maybe just disable the context menu in this case, and only allow the MORE aktion ? |
| 22:30:20 | pamaury | gevaerts: when a usb driver is asked to transfer a big amount of data than need to be split between packets, the transfer completion routine is only called once at the end of the whole transfer or at the end of each packet ? |
| 22:30:41 | S_a_i_n_t | Torne: have an entry in the context menu explaining that the function can't be used at this time? |
| 22:30:48 | gevaerts | pamaury: one completion callback per usb_drv_send/recv call |
| 22:31:02 | pamaury | ok |
| 22:31:13 | Torne | domonoky: i could do, but you still want to be able to quit at least |
| 22:31:25 | Torne | i have the normal quit action bound though, so I guess I could do just that |
| 22:32:29 | bluebrother | strange, building manually works fine |
| 22:37:24 | S_a_i_n_t | Torne: simplest thing I can think of (maybe not simplest to achieve, but simplest in theory) would be to leave the context menu intact but change the entries which don't apply to the situation to n/a or similar. |
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| 22:43:17 | pixelma | tomers: did you do anything about the possible speed issues due to your fractals split amiconn mentioned? I have no idea about this but am a bit worried about the plugin on the archos targets (I remember it was quite optimised to make it work nicely on those before) |
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| 22:44:53 | tomers | pixelma: I will check that. Thanks. I guess I missed amiconn's remark. |
| 22:44:59 | * | tomers going to bed |
| 22:45:22 | kugel | tomers: you put inline functions into .c files which makes it impossible for them to be inlined |
| 22:46:03 | tomers | kugel: should I remove the inline directive, or is there any other solution? |
| 22:46:59 | kugel | tomers: put it back into header files |
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| 22:47:27 | tomers | what function exactly? |
| 22:47:39 | tomers | or function_s_? |
| 22:48:38 | liar | TheSeven: 0x80601004 and 0x1210200040. the latter appears only once |
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| 22:48:55 | kugel | tomers: the functions in cpu_*.c, maybe there are more |
| 22:49:19 | * | bluebrother suggests the use of grep :) |
| 22:49:31 | * | TheSeven doesn't recognize those numbers |
| 22:49:50 | stacker55 | grep -R works wonders ;) |
| 22:50:26 | tomers | kugel: You mean to put all function's code in the headers files and discard the cpu_*.c files? |
| 22:50:40 | kugel | yea |
| 22:50:49 | tomers | ok. will do that |
| 22:51:06 | tomers | but tomorrow. thanks for reviewing the code :-) |
| 22:51:09 | kugel | inlining only works *within* one source file |
| 22:51:25 | tomers | i should've known that |
| 22:51:39 | bluebrother | tomers: the compiler can only inline functions if he has the functions when compiling. Which means that inlining won't work for functions that are in other objects. Therefore inline functions _need_ to be in the header files |
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| 22:52:13 | bluebrother | unless the function is static, of course. |
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| 22:53:21 | kugel | tomers: you also need to make them static, to enable having the same function (with the same name) in multiple source files |
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| 22:54:05 | tomers | i'll do it now, please stay and review :-) |
| 22:55:01 | * | gevaerts doesn't like that 0x1210200040 bit |
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| 22:55:51 | gevaerts | the 0x12..20 match a device descriptor, but the other bytes don't |
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| 22:55:59 | gevaerts | hm, wrong direction for that anyway |
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| 22:57:42 | TheSeven | gevaerts: leftover junk in the fifo? |
| 22:58:02 | gevaerts | TheSeven: or plain coincidence |
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| 22:58:59 | TheSeven | well, it shouldn't be writing anything to memory if i feed it a zero-length transfer in the first place |
| 22:59:15 | gevaerts | that's true of course |
| 22:59:21 | TheSeven | and it still does, even after fixing the DIEP vs. DOEP issue |
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| 23:01:32 | TheSeven | well, i pointed it to a 256MB-sized address space hole now. should be sufficient to eat the garbage. |
| 23:02:22 | liar | TheSeven, gevaerts: that 0x1210200040 is actually an 0x1210200040000031. and the second 0x80601004 contains the 0x12.. again some bytes afterwards |
| 23:03:39 | CIA-44 | New commit by tomers (r24266): Fractals: Have helper functions in header file to keep them inlined ... |
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| 23:10:42 | Torne | Frotz appears to be finished :) |
| 23:11:01 | Torne | I can't find any more bugs in it and it just about passes all the z-machine tests in the test suites |
| 23:11:28 | Torne | not sure if it builds for every target though; it should (it's ifdef'ed off on the ones i know i can't support) |
| 23:11:31 | gevaerts | You must not be looking hard enough ;) |
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| 23:11:41 | Torne | oh i'm sure :) |
| 23:12:03 | Torne | andthere are a number of features it couldhave that it doesn't yet |
| 23:12:33 | Torne | i guess the easiest way to find out if it builds is to commit :) |
| 23:13:04 | gevaerts | definitely |
| 23:15:20 | CIA-44 | New commit by torne (r24267): New plugin: frotz, a Z-machine interpreter, for playing interactive fiction. ... |
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| 23:20:31 | Torne | crap, yellows :) |
| 23:20:56 | Torne | ah, it's not 64-bit-clean |
| 23:20:58 | liar | TheSeven: bad news.. it doesnt work on my second nano2g |
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| 23:22:42 | TheSeven | liar: how does it fail? did it ever work on that one before? |
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| 23:23:39 | Torne | hrm, how do you align a pointer without casting to int? |
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| 23:25:28 | nls | Torne: cast to intptr_t maybe |
| 23:25:40 | Torne | ah, and one of those warnigns is in fact a bug |
| 23:25:42 | gevaerts | Torne: intptr_t? |
| 23:26:42 | Torne | i'm setting the random seed to the address of the tick |
| 23:26:43 | Torne | not the tick |
| 23:26:56 | Torne | which is why curses' intro quite only changes when i recompile. :) |
| 23:27:40 | nls | that's a good one :) |
| 23:28:42 | CIA-44 | New commit by torne (r24268): Fix warnings in frotz, one of which is a real bug :) |
| 23:29:20 | Torne | Not as random as you might like :) |
| 23:29:38 | Torne | arm gcc didn't spot that |
| 23:30:19 | liar | TheSeven: i've recognized that some days ago. the ipod doesnt freeze but fails sometimes and sometimes not. this happens if it works: http://pastebin.org/77889, and this if not: http://pastebin.org/77890 |
| 23:30:44 | TheSeven | so the behavior just didn't change with today's patch? |
| 23:30:57 | liar | TheSeven: it worked once until now |
| 23:31:08 | liar | and 10 times or more not |
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| 23:31:55 | TheSeven | ok, as long as it's no regression, I don't really care about it right now ;-) |
| 23:32:16 | TheSeven | this looks like some usb controller lockup |
| 23:32:45 | Willy | when you find a problem, start building old version to pinpoint it, and use the method where you find a version that works, then try half way between that version and the one that's bad, then half way between the resluts, then half way between those results −−- what's that method called? |
| 23:33:10 | TheSeven | bisecting |
| 23:33:20 | TheSeven | or divide'n'conquer ;-) |
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| 23:33:36 | Willy | ty |
| 23:33:44 | gevaerts | TheSeven: divide'n'conquer is what Unhelpful is trying to do |
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| 23:35:06 | Torne | yay, there we go |
| 23:35:38 | S_a_i_n_t | $50 if you manage to capture a small country :P |
| 23:35:46 | Torne | who adds stuff to the recent changes page? |
| 23:35:48 | S_a_i_n_t | 'doh...wrong window |
| 23:36:29 | gevaerts | Torne: anyone who feels like it, although the committer is the preferred person |
| 23:36:39 | Torne | how? |
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| 23:38:08 | Torne | oh it's just wiki |
| 23:38:10 | Torne | i am blind |
| 23:38:26 | Torne | how does the rss feed work then? |
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| 23:38:50 | S_a_i_n_t | Ok, seriously...whats the point in rockblox1d.rock? is it a joke? |
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| 23:39:11 | Torne | S_a_i_n_t: it does exactly what it says |
| 23:39:13 | Torne | it's 1d tetris |
| 23:39:29 | TheSeven | sounds pretty much pointless :-) |
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| 23:39:45 | S_a_i_n_t | I never said it didn't :P, it just has 0 playability |
| 23:39:46 | Torne | yes? |
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| 23:43:07 | Unhelpful | S_a_i_n_t: really? what sort of problem are you having with playability, and on which target? maybe the keymap needs work. |
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| 23:43:40 | S_a_i_n_t | Unhelpful: you're joking right? |
| 23:46:55 | Unhelpful | why should i be joking? |
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| 23:47:23 | * | Torne wanders off for now, happy that frotz actually builds |
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| 23:48:33 | Unhelpful | hrm, division 5 multiplies, but they can be ordered such that they each does not depend on the output of the prior one |
| 23:48:37 | Unhelpful | *with* 5 multiplies |
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| 23:51:08 | Willy | if you are bisecting, and you install a version that used an old bootloader, do you have to build, and install the old bootloader? |
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| 23:52:14 | TheSeven | if the bug isn't related to the bootloader, you shouldn't need to |
| 23:52:32 | TheSeven | that may be target-specific, though |
| 23:52:40 | gevaerts | how old? |
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| 23:53:04 | TheSeven | gevaerts: did we ever change the boot file format? |
| 23:53:14 | Willy | r23701 on an e200v1 |
| 23:53:24 | TheSeven | i could only imagine old versions relying on boot loader bugs ;-) |
| 23:53:40 | gevaerts | TheSeven: well yes, but that's been known to happen :) |
| 23:53:45 | gevaerts | Willy: should be ok |
| 23:54:16 | TheSeven | yes, some very early "unusable" nano2g builds did that, too... |
| 23:54:47 | Willy | so i installed r23701, and it wouldn't boot (don't remember screen output clearly), so I built and installed the bootloader r23701. Now it won't boot. |
| 23:55:12 | Willy | Can't load Rockbox.mi4: file not found. |
| 23:56:01 | kugel | that means the file is not there |
| 23:56:08 | Willy | can't load system OF.mi4 can't load system OF.bin |
| 23:57:10 | Willy | oh and bootloader version is "r23701" |
| 23:57:11 | * | kugel suspects a filesystem problem |
| 23:57:32 | Willy | *is reported as |
| 23:58:13 | S_a_i_n_t | With an iPod Nano 1g, what does booting with menu+next held do? the text draws too fast (and is 8pt) so I can't read whatever it is that it outputs. |
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