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#rockbox log for 2010-01-25

00:00:48UnhelpfulDeviceChart says ipod color is pp5020 . c200 is 5022. fuze is an ams target, and i believe is armv4 with some amount of embedded sram, so it might be worth checking
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00:04:21Strife89I'll probably just test 'em all. Where's the patch and the test file?
00:05:20Unhelpfulah, the patch. here it is:
00:05:37Unhelpfultest files are here:
00:05:54Unhelpfulbut the patch is only relevant to ape, it does rather a lot of division
00:06:57Strife89I'll start with ape_normal, and then ape_high.
00:07:07Strife89I compile with VMs, so it'll take a while.
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01:36:04Mode"#rockbox +v kroktsrka " by rb_voicebot (
01:36:29kroktsrkaI ask because I rockbox
01:36:35kroktsrkaplayer not working
01:37:01kroktsrkayou can help me?
01:37:34kroktsrkasomeone there????
01:37:45kroktsrkaneed help with player!!!
01:38:00kroktsrkafriend rockbox installed
01:38:19kroktsrkanot work more!!!
01:38:41krazykitwhat device are you asking about?
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01:39:13*TheSeven guesses it's an apple device because he also turned up in #linux4nano
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01:39:28TheSevenkroktsrka: is it an ipod nano?
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01:39:48TheSevenwhich generation?
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01:41:51Strife1989Unhelpful: Well, the iPod isn't performing well on ape_normal at all.
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01:43:19TheSevenkroktsrka: see
01:43:27TheSevenwhich one is it?
01:44:48kroktsrkathird 4 GB third generation iPod Nano 4, 8 GB USB (FireWire for charging only) 5 September 2007 Mac: 10.4
01:45:27Strife1989Unhelpful: The iPod is stumbling every 3-4 seconds. The c250 manages to last for 6-8 seconds before having to pause.
01:45:29TheSevenkroktsrka: I'm afraid rockbox doesn't (yet) work on that one
01:45:40Strife1989On the c200, the software backlight becomes dog-slow.
01:46:03kroktsrkabut friend installed rockbox and now not work more!!!!!!
01:46:36Strife1989kroktsrka: If a friend of yours installed Rockbox, he's using an older iPod.
01:46:38Strife1989Much older.
01:47:07TheSevennot that much older
01:47:36kroktsrkahave you broke my player!!!!!!
01:47:38Strife1989Unhelpful: Oh, and the c200's battery voltage dropped quite a bit, but that always seems to happen with extra-heavy CPU load.
01:48:05kroktsrkawants new!!!!!!!
01:48:54kroktsrkayou stupid idiote my player does break!!!!!!!!!!!
01:49:02Farthenkroktsrka: could you please calm down? it doesn't help anyone here.
01:49:06krazykitkroktsrka, if anyone broke your device, it would be you or your friend, not rockbox.
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01:49:16TheSevenso you have an ipod nano 3rd generation?
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01:49:45TheSevenwhat exactly did you or your friend do with it?
01:49:51TheSevenand what does it do now?
01:50:04kroktsrkafriend installed rockbox!!!!
01:50:13kroktsrkanow not light any more!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
01:50:49TheSevenconnect your player to your PC. does itunes see it?
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01:51:03Strife89kroktsrka: Please, calm down. We can't help you unless we know exactly what happened.
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01:51:41UnhelpfulStrife89: that kind of fits, per the wiki we need about 120% RT for playback
01:52:01*TheSeven already saw ~103% playing back without stuttering
01:52:17Strife89Unhelpful: I'll be testing on the Fuze in a bit. Would you like me to do anything else with the c250 or the iPod?
01:52:34TheSevenkroktsrka: does itunes ask you to restore your ipod?
01:52:42kroktsrkanot have itunes!!
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01:53:20Strife89kroktsrka: Then the first thing you should do is install iTunes.
01:53:42Strife89Go here.
01:53:42Farthenplease download it from:
01:53:50kroktsrkafriend has itunes and installed rockbox and not work more!!!!!!!!!!!
01:54:17Farthenkroktsrka: do you have access to your friend's pc now?
01:54:24Strife89kroktsrka: We need to know *what was done* in the attempt to install Rockbox.
01:54:37Strife89Simply telling us that it doesn't work won't do any good.
01:55:01TheSevenStrife89: as those devices are unbrickable and have a foolproof recovery procedure, I would rather go the straight-forward way
01:55:24Strife89TheSeven: Sorry. >.<
01:55:32kroktsrkaconnect with pc itunes but not see
01:56:01TheSevendoes the display on the ipod light up when you connect it?
01:56:19kroktsrkano light
01:56:53TheSevendid you start itunes?
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01:57:07kroktsrkaitunes on
01:57:11kroktsrkabut no light
01:57:14kroktsrkano see ipod
01:57:19Farthenyou need to close itunes, plug the ipod in and start it again
01:57:30kroktsrkayou killed my player!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
01:57:35Farthenit should then detect an ipod in recovery mode
01:57:54Strife89kroktsrka: iPods cannot be killed unless you smash them with a hammer.
01:58:10Strife89More or less.
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01:58:36TheSevenif it still doesn't work, press and hold the MENU and middle/center buttons for 10 seconds
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01:59:04TheSevenand make sure that the hold/lock switch is off
01:59:20kroktsrkahave no hammer!!!!
02:00:05kroktsrkaneed ask person for hammer?
02:00:37Strife89kroktsrka: Don't take the hammer thing seriously.
02:00:48kroktsrkawhat do with hammer?
02:00:55Strife89kroktsrka: What I meant was, iPods are very, very difficult to break.
02:01:03Strife89kroktsrka: Your iPod CAN be fixed.
02:01:25Strife89Put the hammer away.
02:01:57kroktsrkakroktsrka throw hammer after Strife98
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02:02:30kroktsrkastupid idioto kill my player!!!!
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02:03:26TheSevenplease, PLEASE, calm down, and do what i said
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02:03:50TheSevenmake sure that the hold/lock switch is off
02:03:54TheSevenpress and hold the MENU and middle/center buttons for 10 seconds
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02:04:29TheSevenif itunes doesn't ask to restore your ipod, disconnect it, close itunes, connect it, and start itunes
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02:04:47kroktsrkanot work, idioto!
02:04:58kroktsrkano light
02:04:59kroktsrkano see
02:05:09kroktsrkaYOU IDIOTO KILL MY PLAYER!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
02:05:33Mode"#rockbox +o saratoga " by ChanServ (ChanServ@services.)
02:05:43TheSevenor ask your friend to restore it
02:05:59TheSevenif he managed to try to install rockbox on it, he will be able to restore it
02:06:28kroktsrkafriend want not restore player!!!!!!!
02:06:35pixelmaif you want help I suggest not insulting the people who want to help you and listen to them and concentrating on doing what they say
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02:08:24Strife89Hang on, saratoga.
02:08:42saratogajust tell him what to do now
02:09:04Strife89kroktsrka: Please listen. We're trying to help you fix the problem. If you insult us, then you're only making things worse.
02:09:30Strife89kroktsrka: If you follow our instructions carefully, we CAN and WILL fix your iPod.
02:09:32saratogahow do I deop now?
02:09:46TheSeven/deop saratoga
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02:10:07saratogaah that easy
02:10:11Strife89kroktsrka: Please, just calm down, and let's try again.
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02:11:25Strife89kroktsrka: Begin by starting iTunes on your computer. You have to download and install iTunes first; just going to the website won't do anything.
02:12:08Strife89kroktsrka: Once you do that, press and hold the Menu and the center buttons on the iPod until you see the apple on the screen.
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02:12:55Strife89kroktsrka: When you see the apple, QUICKLY stop pressing the Menu button and hold down the center and Play buttons instead.
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02:15:02Strife89kroktsrka: If you get that far, plug the iPod into the computer.
02:17:26TheSevenhm, unmute?
02:17:38saratogasure if you want
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02:18:14kroktsrkahold buttons minuto and not see apple light
02:18:30Strife89kroktsrka: Then the battery might simply be dead.
02:18:39Strife89Plug the iPod in and see what happens.
02:19:01Strife89If the battery's dead, then it simply needs charging.
02:19:09kroktsrkaconnected 1000 times not helping
02:19:11kroktsrkano light
02:19:28Strife89Leave the iPod plugged in for a bit.
02:19:51TheSevenconnect it and wait for 5 minutes
02:19:55Strife89kroktsrka: Yes, connected to the cable.
02:20:00TheSeventhen try again
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02:20:08Strife89kroktsrka: Leave it that way for five to ten minutes.
02:20:12kroktsrkaconnected 30 minutes no light
02:20:34Strife89kroktsrka: Then plug the end that goes into the computer into another USB port.
02:20:37TheSeven(they usually come up after <30 sec even with a totally dead battery)
02:21:44kroktsrkaand now?????
02:22:06Farthenclose itunes and start it again
02:22:28Strife89kroktsrka: Has the iPod responded at all?
02:22:47kroktsrkano light, no see pc, no player
02:23:02Strife89kroktsrka: Are you plugging the iPod's cable into the front or the back of the computer.
02:23:04scorcheand as this isnt really rockbox-related anymore, may i suggest this be moved to #rockbox-community?
02:23:35Strife89scorche: Agreed.
02:23:56Strife89kroktsrka: Please type "/join #rockbox-community".
02:24:07Strife89Without the quotes.
02:24:34kroktsrkano have usb front computer
02:25:21kroktsrkascorche is related to rockbox!!!!!!
02:25:25soapWhich iPod?
02:25:26Strife89kroktsrka: So you can only plug the iPod into the back of the computer, correct?
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02:25:55kroktsrkayes back of computer
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02:26:07Strife89kroktsrka: I am trying my hardest to help you. Please do not call us idiots.
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02:26:20scorchekroktsrka: it said you have a 3rd generation ipod which rockbox does not run on....if you wish further help with your issue please calm down and discuss the matter in #rockbox-community which is our off-topic channel
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02:26:39Strife89kroktsrka: I understand. Try plugging the cable into a different USB port.
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02:26:53scorcheStrife89: you too ;)
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02:27:00kroktsrkaconnect all ports tried!
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02:30:42Strife89Unhelpful: "View buffering thread" shows the clock at ~160MHz for a good bit, on ape_high.
02:31:09Strife89It's dropped to 140 MHz.
02:31:13Unhelpfulthis is where test_codec would be nice-to-have :)
02:31:47Strife89Unhelpful: I'll build with test_codec if you want, but I've got homework to do..... :/
02:31:59UnhelpfulStrife89: don't worry about it. :)
02:32:09Unhelpfulit works, that's good to know. :)
02:32:37Strife89Unhelpful: :)
02:32:55Unhelpfuli think what i need to do is build ape twice, as we do with overlay plugins... once with all the code for the LUT divider, but the table empty, and then again with the table the size of the free iram
02:33:02Strife89Incidentally, do you know what song the test file is? I like it. :)
02:34:44Unhelpfuli do not, sorry.
02:35:02Strife89Meh, 'tis fine. :)
02:35:17*Strife89 considers "Shake It to the Beat".
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02:58:36perfectdrugm4a is a container right the codec is aac? does rockbox support m4a, I just got questioned this
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03:05:20perfectdrugStrife89: yeah I looked at this page, and couldn't find m4a mentioned, hence my question about the container as I'm not sure about this. And also not if rockbox handles m4a and just plays the from me assumed aac
03:05:57Strife89perfectdrug: If I recall correctly, I've played tracks with the extension of .m4a before.
03:06:06Strife89I can make no garuntees.
03:06:07perfectdrugok thank you
03:06:25Strife89If you try and it doesn't work, no harm done. :)
03:06:47Strife89It'll just ignore or skip over any tracks that it can't play.
03:07:06Strife89Usually, at least.
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05:14:47JdGordonanyone around that cares about how themes work?
05:21:48S_a_i_n_tdepends...what's the proposed change?
05:23:12S_a_i_n_tregarding the themes that is.
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05:24:59JdGordonwhich of the 2 options in should we do?
05:25:07JdGordonstay with svn? or make it logical?
05:25:31S_a_i_n_tone minute...need to do some reading.
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05:29:51S_a_i_n_tpeople will always debate on what it *logical*, and as well as that, they will always bitch if something gets suddenly and obviously changed.
05:29:57S_a_i_n_tit's a tricky one.
05:30:23S_a_i_n_tI can see merits in both options.
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05:31:54*S_a_i_n_t doesn't use .sbs OR ui viewport settings atm...
05:32:30teruI'd prefer "no %X means use the setting ".
05:33:54JdGordonthats how current svn works, but %X|-| does make more sense.. sort of
05:34:05JdGordonless change is better though
05:34:47S_a_i_n_tit wouldn't break existing themes would it?
05:35:14S_a_i_n_tand yes, less change is better from a 'why is it this way, and not this way' point of view.
05:35:16JdGordonno, which is why its probably better
05:36:16S_a_i_n_tyou'll get criticism either way...but as a rule, I do believe in less change is better. Unless of course the existing method is just plain stupid.
05:43:12teruhow will ui viewport setting be handled? I think it would be better to handle them in a same way if possible.
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05:45:00JdGordonui vp setting is totally ignored unless a sbs is loaded
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05:58:28S_a_i_n_twhy is "open with" in the wps context menu?
05:59:35JdGordonwhy not?
05:59:51S_a_i_n_tI can't think of a use for it.
05:59:54JdGordonoh, its because you can use it with vbrfix and a few other plugins
06:00:36S_a_i_n_tso it'd be pretty safe to give it the boot with no ill effect if you didn't use those plugins?
06:01:09*S_a_i_n_t doesn't think he's ever used open with in the wps context actually...
06:01:14S_a_i_n_tan dthanks.
06:02:38*S_a_i_n_t is making a "menu for dummies" patch.
06:02:48S_a_i_n_tor a "dumb menu" rather :D
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07:49:13JdGordon"out of buffer, 183432 free, asked for 77440" grrr! wtf?
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08:47:55JdGordonhmm... shouldnt adding a #include "file.h" guarentee that the file will be recompiled if file.h changes?
08:48:04JdGordoncan #define's get in the way of that?
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08:49:21ZagorJdGordon: that's the idea, yes. where does it go wrong?
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08:49:53JdGordonskin_buffer.c isnt being recompiled when I modify skin_engine.h (I added that #include locally)
08:50:37Zagoryou need to recreate dependencies when you add an #include
08:51:23JdGordonoh right... duh! :)
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09:01:28*JdGordon is thinking about upping the skin buffer size to enough for 2 full screens of colour bmp's and enough for 1 backdrop per skinnable screen
09:02:21JdGordonsvn is enough for 1 full screen and 2 full screen mono images + 2 backdrops
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14:39:51S_a_i_n_tHow do I get svn to simply report the current revision without updating/reverting etc. ?
14:42:10S_a_i_n_tif it comes back as 2****M, that just means it's not a clean svn checkout..yes?
14:42:18Bagderyes, M for modified
14:42:20*S_a_i_n_t assumes M=Modified
14:42:27S_a_i_n_tah, thanks.
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15:44:46assemblerhi ^^
15:45:03assemblerare you a rockbox developer?
15:45:14assemblereny rockbox developers here?
15:45:34S_a_i_n_tprobably quite a few :D
15:45:35mc2739assembler: if you have a question, please just ask it
15:46:06assemblercan enyone please explain me how weak is the fuzes processor?
15:46:15assembleri mean im quite surprised...
15:48:07mc2739assembler: I am not an expert, but I believe it is above the median when compared to other devices Rockbox supports
15:48:14S_a_i_n_tyou could start there...
15:49:53Zagorassembler: are you having an issue with it you want to discuss?
15:52:57assemblerjusta wondering if i can add a crsor
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15:53:15Zagora cursor?
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16:03:51assemblerim back
16:03:56assembleri learning C
16:04:06assemblerso i was wondering
16:04:18evilnick__Why would you want to add a cursor to rockbox?
16:04:23assemblerif i can make a pocket PC out of my new rockboxed fuze
16:04:38assemblerbecause its cool...
16:04:47assembleri want to make it look like windows 3.1
16:04:54ZagorI suggest doing something simpler while learning C
16:05:10assemblercan you explain what?
16:05:16assembleril learn C in eny case
16:05:21assembleri wana be a programmer
16:05:35assemblerbut simplifying it will be a great deal...
16:06:38Zagorwhat you want to do is certainly possible, but means an extensive rewrite of the rockbox gui code. it would take many weeks even for an experienced programmer.
16:06:57Zagordo something simpler
16:07:11assemblerwell i do it for fun...
16:07:24Zagorand you want to spend six months on it?
16:07:31assembleri like to program and i will be really happy if il make it :)
16:07:34assemblerwhy not?
16:07:40Zagorhave fun
16:07:54assemblerit will make rockbox a lot more popular...
16:08:00assemblerthink of it
16:08:02Zagoreh, no
16:08:11assemblera pocket windows 3.1
16:08:23krazykitthat sounds like a dap i don't want to use
16:08:33assemblerit eats evry ipod nano
16:08:44S_a_i_n_tan *imatation* windows 3.1
16:09:05assembleri mean only the design...
16:09:14assembleryou will be able all you could
16:09:16assemblerand more
16:09:28S_a_i_n_twhat do you mean by "it eats evry ipod nano"?
16:09:36assemblersuch as an advanced on-screen keyboard
16:09:42*S_a_i_n_t has 5 RB'd Nano's now...
16:09:44assemblerit is a lot better
16:09:48S_a_i_n_tnone of them 'eaten'
16:10:19assembleru can have as much ipods as you like...
16:10:26Zagorassembler: you do know that ipods don't have a mouse, don't you?
16:10:29assembleri wana be a pro programmer
16:10:37assembleri know that...
16:11:34Zagorassembler: please don't privmsg me
16:11:50assemblerwel g2g
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16:12:05S_a_i_n_tassembler: the people trying to help you are simply suggesting that if you don't have a reasonable understanding of C, that this would be quite difficult to achieve and there are much easier things to attempt asa first project.
16:12:20*Zagor feels trolled
16:12:41*S_a_i_n_t wasted a good sentence.
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16:14:52*S_a_i_n_t sincerely doubts a Win 3.1 based GUI would make RB any more popular...
16:17:50TorneS_a_i_n_t: well there are quite a lot of people who actually *liked* the WinCE user interface.
16:17:58Torneand continued to buy WinCE palmtops for many year s:)
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16:33:00funmanhi, i've benched my clip with fs#9332 ( , now recharging for running the bench without the patch
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16:53:02AlexPWhy do we now have a wiki page devoted to a troll?
16:53:17AlexPIs it just me who thinks that this isn't suitable for the wiki?
16:53:37gevaertsAlexP: it's not just you
16:53:52AlexPSo can we remove it?
16:54:18AlexPIt a) isn't funny b) crowds an already full wiki with pointless stuff and c) "rewards" trolls
16:54:25funmanAlexP: which page ? GoldenQuotes ?
16:54:40AlexPfunman: No, it has its own page
16:54:43funmanI see it
16:54:54AlexPI think it sets a bad precedent too
16:55:10AlexPB4gder, Zagor: What do you think?
16:55:20funmango for it
16:55:26AlexPI don't think I can
16:55:35AlexPIt needs an admin I suspect
16:55:48ZagorI already expressed my dislike in -community
16:56:12AlexPSo let's just delete it :)
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17:01:17AlexPI removed all the content
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17:06:12evilnickAlexP: Thanks for removing that
17:06:47AlexPI only deleted the content, I don't think normal users can delete topics - I think you need an admin for that
17:06:53AlexPAlthough I didn't try to delete it
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17:31:33funmanhello Assembler
17:32:56Assemblerim back
17:33:28funmanAssembler: please be concise, it's a free chatting channel, come on #rockbox-community if you want to chat
17:33:36Assemblerhow to speed up that
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17:35:32Assemblerso here is my question: can someone tell me the exact maximum speed of the fuze's processor?
17:36:00Assembleri need to know i to start my project...
17:36:22funman250MHz, read and especially the AS3525 datasheet (you were told that already)
17:36:24TheSevenfunman: +not?
17:36:44funmanTheSeven: right, it's _not_ a free chatting channel
17:36:54Assemblerjusta answer me
17:37:11TheSevenAssembler: he already did. twice.
17:37:29Assembleri didnt found enything...
17:37:44Assemblerand WOW!
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17:37:58Assemblerits not that slow....
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17:38:37Assembleri know its cuz of a lag what i type arrive late
17:38:44funmansaratoga: i got ~5h30 runtime on my clip with fs#9332, now running without the patch
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17:39:08Assemblerits faster that an ipod!
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18:45:12amiconnUnhelpful: ping
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18:55:21bertrikTheSeven, maybe meizu_dfu opens the files as text instead of binary on windows?
18:55:35gevaertsoh, good point!
18:56:07gevaertsalthough I'd expect it to choke on 0x0a then, not 0x1a
18:56:20bertrikI don't know what 0x1a could be
18:56:31bertrik(escape is 0x1b)
18:56:46gevaertsit's SUB
18:57:05gevaertsbut anyway, I think it's worth checking
18:57:08TheSevenwhatever a SUB is
18:57:32TheSevenhaha. and what does s "substitute" char do?
18:57:48TheSevenwell, the behavior it shows is sending the first block over and over again
18:57:55gevaertssubstitute things?
18:58:02TheSeveni can't see how opening/reading the file the wrong way could cause that
18:58:04gevaertswhich is apparently what it does :)
18:58:06TheSevenwhat kind of things?
18:58:21*gevaerts didn't write the ASCII spec!
18:58:31bertrikinit_img which reads images uses fd = open(filename, O_RDONLY)
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18:59:05TheSevenso yes, there is a O_BINARY missing
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18:59:29TheSevenor whatever that is colled
18:59:52TheSevenbut I still can't see how that could make the first 2K block repeat over and over
19:02:47bertrikCan you add O_BINARY and see if that indeed fixes it?
19:03:10gevaertsmaybe un-#if 0 the bit that writes the data out again, and check if that is sane?
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19:44:36Unhelpfulamiconn: yes?
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19:47:16amiconnUnhelpful: Is there a reason for the weird table sizes in your patch?
19:47:42amiconnAlso, what happened to the newton-raphson idea?
19:47:46Unhelpfulamiconn: they're the largest that would fit, minus a bit of extra space in case of binsize fluctuation
19:48:38amiconnPP5002 and PP5020 both have 96KB IRAM, half of which are usable in plugins/codecs
19:48:54amiconnPP5022 has 128KB IRAM, and iirc 80KB can be used in codecs
19:49:07amiconnYet PP5020 has the largest table...
19:49:59Unhelpfulamiconn: i built with a tiny table and looked at how much space was left. i was surprised to find so much room left on pp5020, is there some static iram allocation in ape that isn't in iram on pp5020?
19:50:20Unhelpfulor maybe i wasn't really test-building on a proper pp5020 target?
19:51:43Unhelpfuli used ipod 4g grayscale to test for that case
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19:53:58amiconnAh, hmm
19:54:19Unhelpfuland the newton-raphson divider works just fine, though i doubt it could do well on armv4. i've been tuning signed and unsigned dividers for armv4, armv5e, and armv6 for a bit and have one for each that should be a decent replacement for the libgcc functions. the only thing i think is questionable about it is whether we ought to replace the divider on armv4, since it's faster but a good deal larger due to the unrolled loop
19:54:22amiconnPP5002 has much less room left for those table because it has a lot of code in IRAM that is in DRAM on PP502x
19:54:56amiconnAnd PP5022 has less room than expected because the "insane" filter buffer is in IRAM
19:55:16amiconnYou could change that - "insane" won't become realtime on anything PP anyway...
19:55:48Unhelpfulthe n-r divider is smaller than the libgcc divider, even with the LUT it uses to produce an initial estimate
19:55:59amiconnI only put it there because there wasn't anything better to put there so far
19:56:23Unhelpfulthe distribution of divisors is *very* heavily weighted toward large values
19:57:39Unhelpful1-255 would cover 20% of cases. 1472 entries covers about 48%, while 5952 still only gets up to 56%
19:58:21amiconnYou probably mean small values?
19:58:32Unhelpfuli do mean small :/
19:59:05amiconnActually that's something one should expect when dealing with range coding. The goal is to get things smaller
19:59:12*amiconn didn't think about this before
20:00:21Unhelpfuli thought about using a caching scheme and calculating reciprocals at first, but since the distribution has such a large spike in it and seems to be pretty much static, a static table is likely to be faster
20:02:04amiconnDid you try to special-case 2^n divisors again?
20:02:49Unhelpfuli only special-cased 2 and 1, as they're below the lowest value in the table. i can try doing that again, though, and moving that and the zero test before the LUT
20:03:44amiconnThe lookup thingy probably works well for ape, but not so well as a generic replacement, imo
20:05:00Unhelpfulthe generic dividers don't use it - the N-R divider has a very small LUT for initial estimates, but needs to further estimate the correct reciprocal from there
20:05:14Unhelpfulbut its LUT won't murder the cache if it's not in iram ;)
20:05:35amiconnIf you remove the insane buffer from iram on PP5022, you can extend the table by 8704 entries
20:06:11Unhelpfula further 8704?
20:07:40amiconnThat's the size of the insane buffer - 34816 bytes
20:08:33amiconnYou'll approximately halve the performance for -c5000. I don't think that would be a problem...
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20:09:13Unhelpfulso about 14K entries?
20:09:52Unhelpful14144 is a valid arm immediate, too ;D
20:10:26Unhelpfulthat would cover about 61-62% of divisions on flac normal
20:11:14Unhelpfulape. i'm quite tired. ;)
20:11:43Unhelpfulmakes me glad i tested the recip+1 logic up to 16K entries though :)
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20:57:23pamauryDo you think the dircache bug I found should be fixed before freeze or not ? Given the use of dircache, it's useless to say that any change could have lots of (difficult to measure) effects or subtle bugs.
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20:58:10*gevaerts can't remember the details of said bug
20:59:17pamauryYou can "open" a directory and the underlying system will in reality open the first file within the directory
20:59:51gevaertsah yes
21:00:25gevaertsIs there a way to trigger that for a normal user?
21:01:52pamauryNot sure, that's why I'm not really for bugfixing it before freeze with a risk of introducing other bugs. "open"ing a directory is not something you normally do. Except perhaps with a plugin and context menu ?
21:02:36pamauryHum, no it's not even possible that way, so I think it's really difficult to trigger it without coding.
21:02:48*JdGordon| points out that any bugfix is inherintly giong to have the probability of making the build more unstable, which means doing bugfixes during freeze week is just as silly as adding new featuresa
21:03:06gevaertsI vote to fix it just after the release
21:03:49JdGordon|that makes more sense
21:04:04pamauryok, agree
21:06:30saratogawhen do we branch for the release? midnight?
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21:07:36gevaertsI'd say about 7 days after AlexP's email, so Tue, 26 Jan 2010 21:26:09 +0100 according to my mailbox
21:07:46gevaertsor around 24 hours from now
21:07:48JdGordon|it doesnt need to be precise...
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21:07:57gevaertsnot really, no
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21:08:21JdGordon|once we branch we are good to go for non bug fies again?
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21:08:58saratogayeah i mostly just want to commit and close some FS tasks
21:09:33gevaertsyes, although I still wouldn't do really intrusive things yet. Things like the target rename, or the move from config-* to config/*
21:10:02saratogai'm waiting for the branch to do it
21:10:05gevaertswe want to make it possible to easily merge bugfixes in both directions until the actual release if at all possible :)
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21:10:57Unhelpfulamiconn: what do you think about rebuild udiv32_armv4 and then relinking the ape codec after an initial build to determine available table space?
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21:17:24pamaurywindows is incredibly crappy when it comes to usb devices. It seems that FS #10809 ( Sansa E200 won't correctly connect mass storage with HID enabled ) also applies to my virtualized XP SP3, was someone else able to reproduce it/investigate it ?
21:18:13gevaertsgood! You can debug this :)
21:19:16JdGordon|is it xp only?
21:19:28gevaertshm, could we detect in some way that this sort of thing is going on?
21:19:51gevaertsJdGordon|: I doubt it. There's a report about win2k also not liking our MSC+HID
21:20:10JdGordon|you're going the wrong direction
21:20:15JdGordon|is it vista or win7?
21:21:31gevaertsI don't think I've heard that, but this is one of those vague problems
21:22:15pamauryits XP SP3
21:23:51pamauryOk, I'll try to find what went wrong. What is strange is that I uninstall it, then I wait for more than one minute (yes Windows needs one minute to enumerate two interfaces !) and detect everything but say "this device won't start"
21:24:14gevaertspamaury: maybe it's related to FS #10319 ?
21:24:42gevaertsVMs are going to have higher USB latency, so this could influence things
21:25:16JdGordon|well, if MS stopped supporting xp and 2k, then I reall cant see why we shold put much effort into it either
21:25:46pamaurybecause people use it and because something doesn't work it in rockbox perhaps
21:26:00gevaertsJdGordon|: depends on how hard it is to keep supporting them
21:26:13pamaurygevaerts: Don't know. I'm not sure it has an influence because the usb latency is probably enforced at hardware level so when a linux driver is used to simulate a host, this latency problem should be nonexistent
21:27:03gevaertspamaury: a logf build with logf enabled for firmware/target/arm/usb-drv-arc.c should be enough to check this
21:27:35pamauryYes, it will enable log for usb-core, storage and drv-arc
21:27:38pamaury* I
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21:29:22saratogain my casual use i haven't noticed any issues with vista and msc+hid on the 200v1
21:29:59saratogabut XP works fine for me too so maybe i'm just not doing it right to see bugs
21:30:24liarTheSeven: doesnt that sound similar to the nano2g usb issues?
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21:32:55pamauryI never had usb problems with my real XP but with my virtual XP, it seems to fail (whereas it does not with MTP+HID iirc)
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21:36:54TheSevenliar: yes, possibly
21:37:01TheSevenbut only one of them
21:37:16TheSevenor maybe both nano2g bugs stem from the same root cause?
21:38:05TheSeventhe hid is somehow messing up enumeration (on some devices), and even if it's up and running, HID and MSC traffic at the same time will kill something
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21:41:32utchybannTheSeven: last week-end, I have help someone with a nano2g by telling him to disable usb HID. This have fixed his usb transfert problem.
21:41:35pamauryI'm wondering why Windows ask the hid desc four times
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21:44:13mc2739JdGordon|: FS #10809 happens with Win7RC also
21:46:27gevaertspamaury: if you're testing now, one thing to try is to change "REG_ENDPTPRIME |= mask" to "REG_ENDPTPRIME = mask"
21:46:44pamauryWhat is this supposed to change ?
21:47:42gevaertsless reads on that register. From my reading of the datasheet, only one bit can ever be 1 at a time, so the or-ing isn't needed, and the linux driver doesn't or
21:48:16gevaertsthe linux driver also doesn't wait for the prime to be complete...
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21:49:19pamauryOk, I'll try this now
21:49:56*pamaury thinks he could then try with simulator usb :)
21:50:58pamauryIt would be funny: a virtual device with a virtual host, the whole thing using not less than four different drivers on three different OSes to work ;)
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21:54:18*gevaerts is confused by this driver
21:56:41pamaurygevaerts: I don't know if it's by chance or not but with "REG_ENDPTPRIME = mask", UMS works whereas HID doesn't. Though I need to uninstall and reinstall it to obtain this result
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21:58:32pamaurygevaerts: I unplug it and replug it and now nothing works anymore. I'm sure it's windows messing up because hid doesn't work
21:59:38pamauryI'm reverting to initial code to check whether this is chance or not
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22:01:53bertrikpamaury, sometimes it helps to remove an USB entry from the registry, so windows does a full detection of a USB device again
22:02:01gevaertspamaury: if you feel destructive, remove use
22:02:21gevaerts"REG_ENDPTPRIME = mask" and remove everything after it up to restore_irq()
22:02:42gevaertsof course leave the restore_irq() in place :)
22:03:19gevaertsthe linux driver doesn't do any of that
22:03:27pamauryI used the hardware manager to do a full detection and UMS works with "=" and "|=" finally. But when I unplug and plug again, it doesn't.
22:03:36pamaurygevaerts: I'll try in a minute
22:06:27pamauryIt doesn't seem to make a different at first thought but I'm doing a full detection
22:08:13pamaurygevaerts: same result, no difference
22:10:57pamauryI'm trying with simulator usb
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22:14:32amiconnUnhelpful: Too complicated imo
22:16:32pamauryHum, doesn't work, the press 'u' for usb plug thing is not adapted here because VirtualBox does the plug/unplug. Back to real device
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22:17:33JdGordon|so fix virtualbox! :D
22:18:58pamaury:) I don't exactly know how virtualbox handles usb devices, it probably has to do with that
22:19:25pamaury(anf the virtualbox usb *driver* is not open source afaik)
22:20:29*gevaerts can still kill the connection on his e200 by just tocuhing the wheel
22:20:53pamauryjust touching or turning it fast ?
22:21:14gevaertsturn it 10 degrees or so
22:21:28pamaurywith linux ?
22:21:50pamauryWith a UMS transfer going one or not ?
22:22:16gevaertsah, yes. dd if=/dev/sdb of=/dev/null bs=64k
22:22:40gevaertsturning the wheel two clicks is usually enough
22:23:22pamauryHum HID sometimes just doesn't work on my linux, UMS ok but HID doesn't send events to the OS
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22:24:04pamauryPerhaps iy's virtualbox doing a mess
22:25:23pamauryInterestingly enough, under my virtualized XP, UMS only reports internal storage whereas under linux it also reports my microsd
22:25:58*pamaury reboot rockbox because HID doesn't work
22:26:56TheSevengevaerts: my nano crashed only when turning the wheel fast, but when turning it slow or pressing buttons, that was just being ignored
22:27:22*TheSeven will try again
22:27:25pamauryI can't make the transfer fail with the wheel
22:27:47pamauryHum, I have a sudden doubt
22:28:10pamauryIt seems to silently block the usb transfer indeed
22:28:16TheSevenugh, my USB doesn't work at all any more
22:28:46TheSeventook ages to enumerate, and then windows showed an empty drive, and the gid doesn't work either
22:28:51Unhelpfulamiconn: just dump the insane buffer from iram, and then size it to roughly fit?
22:29:08pamaurygevaerts: you're right HID messes things up
22:29:18pamauryDoes it happens on all your targets ?
22:29:19*TheSeven reconnected his ipod and now it works
22:30:00TheSeven(read) UMS transfer and HID at the same time even
22:30:14TheSevenwhen it crashed the last time, i was writing to it though, let me try that
22:30:31gevaertspamaury: I'm currently only testing on e200
22:31:43TheSevenhm, it still works (with a write transfer in parallel), also it is pretty sluggish
22:32:02TheSevenhid events seem to be partly dropped and partly delayed by several seconds
22:32:10TheSevenbut it didn't crash
22:32:34Unhelpfulthe beast is the only device listed on that can be called anywhere near handling insane, anyway... and 50% isn't too near ;)
22:33:57TheSevenurgh, key release events getting dropped on the volume control... that's not nice at all.
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22:36:45pamauryI'll try to make simulator usb work with virtualbox. That would be a good way to check if this bug appears
22:37:43webguest57 - does that not violate copyright ? as the originals were removed no ?
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22:41:11*JdGordon| would really like to fix the sbs name before release, but noone has come up with a better name
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22:42:33froggymanJdGordon|: for the file name extension? ie the .sbs?
22:43:07JdGordon|calling it the custom statubsar hardly makes any sense
22:43:42froggyman.rbs? Rockbox skin?
22:43:43webguest57custom menu screen ?
22:43:53JdGordon|if that ever happens, it should happen in the first release with the feature, not afterwards
22:44:22S_a_i_n_t.rbs is too close to .rsbs
22:44:28S_a_i_n_tbut I guess that'd get renamed too
22:44:39webguest57.rrbs ?
22:46:05S_a_i_n_tJdGordon: what did you decide on regarding backdrops and the .sbs?
22:46:38Unhelpful14208 entries is the largest table i can fit in iram on my e200. improvement at this table size is about .6-.7MHz.
22:46:56JdGordon|S_a_i_n_t: it works exactly as svn now
22:47:07JdGordon|so not entirely ideal, but no change to users
22:47:25*gevaerts is unhappy
22:47:40gevaertsThe direction of transfer completions seems to be wrong a lot
22:48:08pamaurygevaerts: in usb transfers ? in which cases ?*
22:48:18S_a_i_n_tsweet, that makes sense...and avoids "what the **** happened to 'n' " posts on the Forum.
22:48:47gevaertspamaury: I get a lot of "IN received in WAITING_FOR_COMMAND" and "OUT received in SENDING_CSW"
22:49:19pamauryThat's strange
22:49:31gevaertswell, a lot... I seem to always get those for read10 commands
22:49:41gevaertsand not the correct ones
22:50:40domonokyJdGordon|: how about introducing .theme files, which hold general things ?
22:51:07JdGordon|well, thats what the .cfg is?
22:51:14JdGordon|or are you tihnking something different?
22:51:16pixelmaisn't that what...
22:51:42JdGordon|beaten :)
22:52:28AlexPJdGordon|: .rbt - RockBox Theme
22:53:12bluebroth3rAlexP: reminds me of that theme-in-tar-file patch I made some years ago ;-)
22:53:28AlexPheh, I even vaguely remember that :)
22:53:57JdGordon|theme in a tar would be sweet
22:54:04JdGordon|theme in zip would be better :)
22:54:27JdGordon|AlexP: I'm not really fan of that.. Main Skin perhaps?
22:54:32bluebroth3rJdGordon|: well, there was a patch for that. Though only tar, as it's easier
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22:54:44gevaertsum, this is wrong
22:54:46JdGordon|would RMS go ape if we used his name?
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22:55:22bluebroth3rbut IMO it would make sense to combine some of those theme files.
22:55:23pixelmacompressed, losslessly?
22:55:25AlexPWhat is the main that main skin refers to?
22:55:47AlexPdomonoky: Was it you that added the admin work needed thing to the theme site, or am I misremembering?
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22:56:11domonokyAlexP: jup
22:56:25JdGordon|main being lists and menus and everything thats not skinned
22:56:28AlexPdomonoky: So I see the banner - how do I tell what work needs doing?
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22:56:49pixelmaAlexP: a "theme" is the complete thing IMO (.wps etc.). The problem with "custom statusbar" is that it's not a statusbar at all - it's the list screen and it has a viewport with the list
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22:57:16domonokyAlexP: for the moment its only the reported themes, login as admin, use the link to all themes and limit to reported themes.
22:57:17AlexPpixelma: Yeah I know - that's why I suggested .rbt for RockBox Theme
22:57:20JdGordon|while menu screen/skin?
22:57:25AlexPdomonoky: OK
22:57:40domonokyalthough i should improve the report function, it gets a bit abused :-)
22:58:11AlexPdomonoky: Er, where is the all themes ink?
22:58:20pixelmaAlexP: I still don't understand. Why do you need a different file extension for theme files - there is .cfg for that
22:58:30AlexPdomonoky: Sorry, I'm blind
22:58:34S_a_i_n_tdoes the command "svn revert" remove files you've added to the source, or just revert the existing ones back to the state they were at checkout?
22:58:45JdGordon|the latter
22:59:01AlexPpixelma: To differentiate between a theme and something that includes other random settings
22:59:06AlexPpixelma: But you don't really
22:59:24JdGordon|wasnt the point of using cfg always so there is no real difference between a theme and a regular config?
22:59:27AlexPThis was coming from JdGordon| saying that .sbs doesn't make much sense anymore
22:59:55AlexPBut yes for themes as a whole, .cfg is better
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23:00:13AlexPI was talking about as a .sbs replacement
23:00:27pixelmayes, because .sbs doesn't describe what it actually is is a .wps for the lists
23:00:46JdGordon|domonoky: would it be hard to script up so every theme on the site gets unzipped, any .[r]sbs be renamed, and the .cfg gets fixed also?
23:00:56AlexPpixelma: exactly
23:00:56JdGordon|and then rezipped
23:01:08pixelmaAlexP: I give up
23:01:21pixelmaI can't follow
23:01:23AlexPwhy? You are agreeing with me
23:01:31S_a_i_n_tis there a way to remove files you've added to your checked out source, or does one have to go through and do this manually?
23:01:58pixelmaAlexP: no, not that I can see
23:02:16AlexPwell whatever
23:02:21AlexPI don't care enough
23:02:26domonokyJdGordon|: if you write a script for it, i can run it recursivly on all themes folders on the themepage :-)
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23:02:35pixelmamy impression still is that you talk about one thing that I see as two
23:02:54AlexPIt really doesn't matter
23:03:19pixelmawell, I'd like to understand though
23:03:56AlexPThis got reported:
23:04:07AlexPWasn't the original removed?
23:05:35AlexPpixelma: I was agreeing that .sbs is a bad name as it doesn't describe what it does - but I agree that my suggestion was even worse as it sounds like it should be the whole theme
23:06:11TheSevenAlexP: webguest57 did say something regarding that theme...
23:06:18froggymancouldnt the sbs be combined with the wps?
23:06:21pixelmaaha, ok. I couldn't find the latter part in your statements before
23:06:27domonokyso if someone can exactly descibe what the current sbs all does, maybe we can find a good name for it :-)
23:06:42AlexPpixelma: It wasn't there before, sorry - I thought I had but it seems I hadn't :)
23:06:42webguest57AlexP: yeah i noticed that today
23:07:29pixelmadomonoky: I tried to a few minutes ago
23:07:41webguest57is there still talk of taking out the themes from the build and upping them on the theme site ?
23:08:18AlexPwebguest57: Where was it removed from before?
23:08:39webguest57the wpsgraveyard ipod5g
23:08:43AlexPwebguest57: Sort of - I'd quite like to, but it hasn't really been discussed and isn't really a priority
23:09:04domonokypixelma: but the sbs also does describe the statusbar, not only skins for lists, correct ?
23:09:22webguest57i'd volunteer to do it, zip them up individually
23:09:48AlexPwebguest57: Probably best to take it to the -dev list and see what people think
23:09:56JdGordon|domonoky: the sbs controls the look of everything outside of plugins and the wps
23:10:16webguest57AlexP - i do believe that's one and the same
23:10:43webguest57all the original black glasses got removed way back
23:10:44pixelmadomonoky: you can design it to look like a statusbar, much like you design your WPS this way. But you can also set the background of the list screen and give the list a certain viewport
23:11:00domonokyJdGordon|: and fm/recording correct ?
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23:11:11JdGordon|untill they are skinned seperatly, yes
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23:11:45AlexPwebguest57: yes it was
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23:12:00domonokyso we would have wps / wfs / wrs/ and a general skin file..
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23:12:51pixelmawhat really confused me in my understanding first - the .sbs basically takes control of the complete screen and just has a list item
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23:13:35pixelmawhich is why custom status*bar* is so weird
23:14:26domonokyhow about .wls = while lists screen..
23:15:20B4gder.1 - just because everything else is even worse! ;-)
23:16:22domonokyor just .gs (general screen/skin) ?
23:18:02*domonoky thinks .skin is good. sounds a bit like something "theme" to me
23:19:37JdGordon|I can live with .skin.. but what about the menu name?
23:20:06*gevaerts grumbles
23:21:08pixelmashouldn't that be "Skin" too then (same as "While Playing Screen" etc.)?
23:21:23*gevaerts is going to make usb slightly slower
23:21:58gevaertsto make it work a bit more correctly
23:22:02*domonoky thinks we should reduce the theme loading options to only the config.
23:22:10TheSeveni mean where's the bug?
23:22:19gevaerts*more* correctly!
23:22:29pixelmadomonoky: noo
23:22:31gevaertsI'm not claiming it's entirely correct yet
23:23:05domonokypixelma: you can still mashup via context menu and editing the config file.
23:23:35pixelmaand I 'm going to post to the forums to say why I think so. I got a few arguments already
23:24:28JdGordon|nooo.... dont derail the topic
23:24:34JdGordon|we are talking about a good name for sbs
23:24:38JdGordon|not removing settings!
23:24:44domonokybut if the menu option has to stay, just name it: "Load general skin file" :-)
23:24:49gevaertsTheSeven: the storage driver starts listening for the next command while sending the result for the previous one. This should be safe, and it makes things faster. However, the new command transfer gets completed first on ARC, which confuses the logf output, and only doesn't confuse the storage driver because it doesn't check too much
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23:25:31gevaertsand I happen to prefer totally correct over a bit faster
23:26:45*TheSeven thinks that this was already correct
23:26:54TheSevenactually i patched the same thing the other way round on synopsys
23:27:13pamaurygevaerts: it is normal that there are several cases in usb core where the core doesn't handle the control transfer and doesn't stall ? Example: vendor recip or device recip/unknown request
23:27:27TheSevenif the new transfer isn't started before the old one completes, it will get NAKed/STALLed
23:27:40TheSevenwell, maybe ARC doesn't do that in hardware
23:27:58AlexPdomonoky: There seems to be something a bit odd going on - I select hidden on a theme, put a reason in and do update all themes, yet the theme is still there as approved not hidden
23:28:12gevaertsmy guess is that they're completed in the same interrupt, in which case lower direction wins
23:28:20gevaertspamaury: I really don't know
23:28:27domonokyAlexP: did you press the button on the bottom of the page ?
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23:29:43pixelmadomonoky: the font, WPS menu items are now only called that because they act like a setting now - the currently used is highlighted
23:29:58gevaertsTheSeven: usb_storage should really be able to handle that case, but right now, I'm going for the easy fix, even if it causes a 10% to 15% slowdown
23:30:13gevaertsthe proper fix would be a lot more work
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23:30:55gevaertseven if there are no reports of this actually causing real problems...
23:31:56domonokyAlexP: looks like its only the display which is wrong after you pressed the button. the theme is correctly hidden.
23:32:13AlexPdomonoky: I tried to hide multiple
23:32:26*TheSeven suspects that this doesn't only cause a slowdown, but will rather refuse to work at all
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23:32:31AlexPThe first one I selected got properly hidden, all the others "appear" to still be there
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23:32:59AlexPdomonoky: Unless the Skylar G. ones are actually hidden?
23:33:02amiconnUnhelpful: The beast *can* handle insane. The 50% are with svn, i.e. running at half the maximum clock
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23:33:44amiconnIt's very tight though
23:33:56CIA-44New commit by gevaerts (r24333): don't start waiting for the new command in send_csw(). Although on the USB level this is entirely correct, and about 10% to 15% faster, ...
23:34:11gevaertsTheSeven: why?
23:34:19domonokyAlexP: ah you selected multiple theme changes in one go ? maybe there is something broken with that.
23:34:41TheSevenhow will the controller react if a OUT transaction comes in, while no transaction is scheduled?
23:34:42AlexPdomonoky: Yes initially, but now if I just select one it doesn't seem to work
23:34:53TheSevenit should probably STALL it
23:34:59gevaertsit must NAK it
23:35:07gevaertsthat's what NAK means
23:35:14domonokyAlexP: can you point me to such a theme ?
23:35:45TheSevenNAK is kinda NYET.
23:35:51AlexPdomonoky: Go Blue by Skylar G.
23:36:16AlexPdomonoky: 320x240
23:36:18TheSevenat least synopsys will STALL in that case, instead of NAKing, IIRC
23:36:34TheSevenremember the issue we had with this some months ago?
23:36:48gevaertsoh, wait
23:37:10gevaertsI remember reading in the s3c6xxx spec a few weeks ago. Aren't there some bits you can set to control this?
23:37:54TheSevenI'm not absolutely sure what exactly the issue was back then, but it was roughly the same, just the other way round
23:38:04domonokyAlexP: seems to work fine for me.
23:38:38AlexPdomonoky: You just hid that theme?
23:39:03domonokyjep, but only shortly to test it :-)
23:39:29AlexPCould you hide it a let me see if I see it hidden?
23:40:08gevaertsTheSeven: SGOUTNak and SGNPInNAK seem relevant
23:40:14domonokysure. author will get a bit spammed, but who cares :-)
23:40:28AlexPBugger, forgot about that
23:40:33amiconnUnhelpful: Hmm, the r1, r1, #0
23:40:43AlexPHang on, I'll see if I get the same problem with one of mine
23:40:50TheSevengevaerts: IIRC that was not present for EP0 or something
23:40:59AlexPdomonoky: Then we can test with that - I'm happy to spam myself :)
23:40:59amiconn...can be changed to rsb now that the comparison result isn't used anymore
23:41:15gevaertsTheSeven: ah, ok. Well, this isn't EP0 :)
23:41:35domonokyAlexP: Go Blue should be hidden now :-)
23:41:53TheSevengevaerts: besides getmaxlun and such...
23:42:30gevaertsTheSeven: yes, but my change is *only* sending the CSW vs receiving the new SCSI command
23:42:34AlexPdomonoky: Indeed it is - so why the hell can't I hide them?
23:42:44AlexPdomonoky: I'll try loging out then in again
23:43:04AlexPdomonoky: And if it still doesn't work, we can practise on one of mine so as to only spam me :)
23:43:29domonoky:-) i will set it back to approved then.
23:44:53JdGordon|did my "report naughty theme" comment get a giggle?
23:44:55AlexPyep - although I'm going to hide it once this works :)
23:45:44domonokyJdGordon|: the ria report was from you ?
23:45:54JdGordon|you didnt guess?
23:46:01JdGordon|I thought i put my name on it actually
23:46:25AlexPdomonoky: Nope, it just doesn't work for me anymore - I've tried with two different browsers as well
23:46:28domonokyi think there was no name... but it caused a giggle.
23:47:30AlexPdomonoky: This is very odd - do you have proper access to look at admin users etc.?
23:48:15domonokyAlexP: i have access, but there isnt much what could go wrong. especially only for some users..
23:48:38AlexPdomonoky: Can you log on as me to see if it works there?
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23:49:02AlexPdomonoky: If I PM you details :)
23:49:51domonokysure, but first i take a look at the logged actions in the db, (themesite logs many actions, but doesnt display it anywhere at moment).
23:50:00AlexPOK, cheers
23:51:04domonokydid try to hide anything after i hide/unhide Go Blue ?
23:51:15AlexPone of my themes
23:51:16domonokythere is no action after that in the log.
23:51:27AlexPI tried to hide it at least twice
23:51:34AlexPAnd I didn't get a mail either
23:51:37domonokyso pm me your login and i will try.
23:51:41AlexPOK, cheers
23:52:01domonokyif there is no action in the log, the theme site didnt do anything.
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23:54:30JdGordon|so... replacing "Custom Statusbar" with "Main Skin" ?
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23:55:17JdGordon|the statusbar option would be changed to "use main skin" also
23:55:28JdGordon|and the extension umm?
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23:56:35JdGordon|all opposed?
23:57:24JdGordon|:'( as much as i really want to do this in 3.5.. it will be ugly
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