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#rockbox log for 2010-01-27

00:01:03 Quit stripwax ("")
00:01:15kugelmaybe closing isn't enough
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00:02:15TheSevenliar: I wonder why we need that sleep(0);
00:02:54 Quit bertrik ("De groeten")
00:03:21liarTheSeven: the first command to the flash chip always fails on some chips if we dont wait a bit after resetting it
00:03:31kugelcould also be a threading thing, maybe it shouldn't be closed from within the buffering thread
00:04:16TheSevenliar: any idea how long that "bit" is?
00:04:31TheSevenwould 10ms be overkill?
00:04:59TheSevenif not, I suggest a sleep(HZ / 100)
00:05:01liarvolatile int i; for(i=0;i<3500;i++) is enough iirc
00:05:47TheSeventhat should be something between 100 and 1000 microseconds
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00:07:33TheSevenand we need to reverse those ifs in the bank loop in nand_power_on
00:08:00TheSevenif the bank type is 0xffffffff, don't even try to reset it, that's useless and a noticable performance hit
00:09:16TheSeventhe rest looks ok to me
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00:12:35TheSevenok, so once you've swapped those ifs, I'd say it's OK with me...
00:13:48TheSevenI won't have much time until sunday/monday, so I'd wait until then to see if any issues keep turning up, i.e. if it breaks other flash types and if it actually fixes the problems we've seen.
00:14:14TheSevenIf everything is working smoothly, I'll commit it on monday.
00:16:56TheSevenI've set FS10775 to "requires testing", so please upload the final patch there.
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00:29:48TheSevenliar: thanks, it looks fine to me now
00:30:00TheSevenlet's wait for testing results...
00:31:23liari can test it on 3 different nano2gs(2 without the flash problem)
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00:33:36liarmaybe jho could test it on his nano2g too
00:33:44kugelI'm curious as to what that audio glitch is
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00:52:30kugelfunman, saratoga (for the logs): recovering what matsch commented out in buffer_handle() seems to get red of the memory corruption (and it seems to suggest my suspicion was correct)
00:54:30kugelthat part seems to protect against overwriting the next handle which is apparently possible (it shouldn't be), maybe alignment fixes make it possible?
00:54:56jholiar: Seems to work for me
00:55:32liarjho: thanks
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01:17:16S_a_i_n_t_what exactly is the problem with nano 2g and usb hid? i've been trying in vain to get to work.
01:17:46S_a_i_n_t_s/to get/to get it/
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01:35:13Raydiationsupport for for ipod classic 6th gen anytime soon?
01:35:43JdGordon|have you done anything about helping?
01:36:30JdGordon|just commenting on your apparent annoyance
01:37:15RaydiationJdGordon|: what do you mean about helping?
01:37:24Raydiationsubmit code?
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01:42:11Raydiationi dont know anything about rockbox in general
01:42:21Raydiationnor anything specific about C
01:42:32Raydiationor how to crack apples encryption
01:43:04JdGordon|then complaining about the lack of support isnt exactly fair is it?
01:45:59RaydiationJdGordon|: if you complain about apple it is
01:46:19JdGordon|[16:35] Raydiation: gdammit
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01:46:29Raydiationthat ipod was the biggest mistake ive ever bought
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01:46:51RaydiationJdGordon|: i cursed about apple
01:47:03Raydiationi hoped you cracked it already
01:47:42KohlrabiSell it
01:48:11KohlrabiFun fact: Just because everyone's doing it, doesn't mean it's right to do it ;)
01:48:46KohlrabiRaydiation: There should be plenty semi-cheap rockboxable players out there
01:49:29RaydiationKohlrabi: anyone with 80-160gb diskspace?
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01:58:58krazykityou can drop 80gb and larger ZIF drives into various HD daps
01:59:36krazykitthough with most you need a 50pin to ZIF adapter. larger 50-pin drives are harder to find
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02:17:10scorcheprobably no surprises here, but...
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02:58:03Unhelpfulstill waiting to branch?
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02:59:30JdGordonlater this evening... 1 commit to do before we branch
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07:27:46NickRxIs there a certian type of IC that stores the mp3's on a player?
07:34:33S_a_i_n_tNickRx: content (well user content anyway...) is stores on either a HD or Flash drive.
07:34:53CIA-5New commit by jdgordon (r24339): Rename "custom statusbar" to "base skin" in the theme menu, no other changes. If translators are quick enough to update we can put them in the 3.5 ...
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07:39:40NickRx is this what im looking for?
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07:40:49S_a_i_n_tNickRx: depends what player you haven't said that yet.
07:41:02S_a_i_n_tNickRx: Is this specific to Rockbox?
07:42:15NickRxS_a_i_n_t no player, just looking at stuff for my projects :P
07:42:35S_a_i_n_tNickRx: then this isn't the place to ask about it...
07:43:11NickRxYeah, I was trying to figgure out where data is stored in an electronic device (not flash memory) I figgured out what i needed to know
07:43:21NickRx:P you guys have been helpful so far
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07:45:34S_a_i_n_tNickRx: Next time, (unless it's actually Rockbox specific) you might want to try #rockbox-community as it's mostly the same people present..and the question wouldn't be off-topic.
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07:45:54S_a_i_n_tI'm not growling...just saying.
07:46:04funmanis the branch already created? could you wait until i update the fuze manual today?
07:46:26NickRxS_a_i_n_t alright, thanks
07:46:30S_a_i_n_tfunman: [19:35] <JdGordon> 1 more commit till branch!
07:46:43S_a_i_n_t^from rb-community
07:47:04JdGordonfunman: do you want to create the branch when you are ready?
07:47:43funmaneverything's ready on your side ?
07:47:58CIA-5New commit by jdgordon (r24340): futile attempt to keep the ondioSP rombox working. This will almost certainly be the last release with it. (The backdrop API is chaning very soon ...
07:48:00JdGordonam now
07:48:17JdGordondo 1 commit, then branch on r24342 :)
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08:12:06funmana lot of games have been changed to use a menu and the manual hasn't been updated
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08:14:36JdGordonkugel: was the pf plugin change accidental?
08:15:07kugelno, I answered on the ml
08:15:10JdGordonoh sorry, didnt see your reply
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08:15:57CIA-5New commit by jdgordon (r24341): fix red... lets branch
08:16:27kugelfunman: have you seen what I found w.r.t to the buffering regression?
08:18:45JdGordonso... 200 bytes untill ondiosp rombox is broken for good :)
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08:19:03funmankugel: yes but i don't understand matsch patches so i can't help
08:20:28kugelI think buffering tries leaves place for another handle+id3 metadata, that space is overwritten as of now. I'm not sure why it only causes problems in some cases
08:20:46kugeltries to*
08:22:15kugelcan we contact matsch directly or should I hope he sees an opened fs task?
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08:38:10CIA-5New commit by funman (r24342): snake2: use select and not long select on fuze
08:38:17CIA-5New commit by funman (r24343): Plugins manual ...
08:38:41funmanJdGordon: i'm finished, do you still want me to do the branch or do you prefer do it yourself ?
08:39:09JdGordoni dont know how to, so go for it :)
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08:41:53CIA-5New commit by funman (r24344): Branch for rockbox 3.5
08:42:00funmansvn cp svn:// svn://
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09:03:24JdGordonanyone got a script to build all the being released targets?
09:03:51kugelthere's one in svn
09:04:10kugelyou probably need to add fuze/e200v2 as we didn't have a release for them yet
09:04:15JdGordonI'll whip up some RC builds
09:06:07kugeldoes anyone like the idea to make voltage scaling on the samsas user configurable?
09:07:20JdGordonwhy do none of those release scripts have the target listing?
09:07:58kugelbecause of the target renaming, the target list (with stable status and stuff) is unified and moved to a separate file
09:08:12JdGordonwhich is where?
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09:11:08JdGordonah, how to I get working with that?
09:14:56kugelno idea, I thought some magic would make automatically see/include the stuff in
09:15:03JdGordonah got it
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09:17:38JdGordonok, I've started a build for all the stable (+ fuze and e200v2) builds, I'll link them in the morning when they are done
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09:18:34JdGordonsomething might be fucked up... a few too many cc1's...
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09:50:00topikkugel: i like to have the voltage scaling option. never had any corruption issues on my fuze so i'd rather have the extra battery life
09:50:26JdGordonRC builds up...
09:51:31JdGordonshould I do voice, manual and sims also?
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09:52:57CIA-5New commit by jdgordon (r24345): Fix to use the gloabl listing
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09:53:32JdGordonOf course, if anyone wants to add some text to that post be my guest :)
09:53:36JdGordonI'm tired and lazy
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10:09:43seikHi. I have a iPod 5.5 30GB. I installed rockbox on it, but somehow it got fucked up during a file transfer. Now the rockbox software won't boot. When this has happened before I have always been able to restore it using iTunes when i plug it in to my computer when the "restore via itunes"-message comes up. When this message comes up now and I plug it in to the computer it autmaticly goes into disk mode(it looks like it, at least, but the "disk mode" text doe
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10:12:24TheSevenhm, someone should update the channel topic...
10:13:06TheSevenseik: sounds like it's waiting for itunes to recover it
10:13:42TheSeventhe "disk mode" text is missing when it boots to disk mode from the "use itunes to restore" screen for some reason
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10:14:28seikwell, iTunes doesnt do the trick. as it goes into disk mode it doesnt get detected as an iPod any more
10:15:34TheSevenhuh? itunes should recognize an ipod in disk mode... at least on my nanos, it does. could be that this is different on the old gens though
10:15:58TheSevenhave you tried resetting it and manually putting it to disk mode? how does itunes behave in that case?
10:16:15seikjust the same
10:16:49TheSevenwhat exactly were you doing when it failed?
10:17:07seiktransferring files from my ipod to my computer
10:17:20TheSeventhat killed the firmware?
10:17:26seikseems like it
10:17:52*TheSeven wonders why this port is classified "stable" then.
10:18:18TheSevenso, when it is in disk mode, what do you see on the mass storage device?
10:18:45TheSevenis the partition table still ok?
10:19:05seiknope. I am not able to transfer any files to it during disk mode
10:19:12TheSevenand what platform are you on? windows or linux?
10:19:30seikon my windows
10:19:44seikit doesnt even get detected as a disk on my linux
10:20:04TheSevenhow does windows behave? does it show the drive, but ask you to format it if you click it?
10:20:19TheSevenno drive at all?
10:20:45seikit shows up and I am able to open it, but it wont format or recieve any files
10:20:57TheSevendoes it show any pre-existing files?
10:21:09TheSevenso just an empty drive?
10:21:16TheSevenany dmesg output on linux?
10:21:24seikhavent tried
10:21:27*TheSeven thinks that the hard disk is probably bad
10:21:47seikwell, I ought to get a new hdd, then
10:22:17TheSevenfirst verify it... isn't there some "disk test" tool in diagnostics mode?
10:22:38seikin what mode?
10:23:48TheSevenleft+center immediately after reset
10:23:55TheSevenlike disk mode, just a different combo
10:24:39seikrunning now
10:25:21seikdiagnostics completed
10:25:33seikdoenst say much, but the color is green
10:25:45TheSevena disk scan should take hours...
10:25:58seikI see
10:26:01TheSeventhere must be some more thorough test somewhere in the menu
10:26:30TheSevenanother theoretical possibility would be a bad dock cable, even though that's rather unlikely
10:27:02seikmy usb cable?
10:27:38seikI have two. its no difference which I use
10:29:33TheSevenok, so that's not the issue then
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10:34:39topikis the cowon D2(+) one of the more modern (as in still being sold new) dap's rockbox runs on?
10:35:40kugelit's one of the more modern and rockbox runs on it
10:36:18kugelit's in the unstable category though, so it may fail unexpectedly
10:37:08topikyea, i'm aware of that
10:37:58topiki'm trying to find the answer on the forums (as i'm not too lazy to search), but do you know if the d2+ has (basic) touchscreen support?
10:38:38kugelI think some have, and some dont
10:39:32topiksupport through rockbox i mean
10:39:43ThomasAHWhat can I help to make the clip+ one of the more modern rockboxable players, too? (sending hardware would be an option for me)
10:40:16kugeltopik: and I mean that IIRC some d2+ have and some d2+ don't have touchscreen support
10:40:35topikok. different revision with the same name :(
10:40:49kugelThomasAH: I'm afraid sending hardware doesn't really help us
10:41:03kugelwe have 4-5 clip+ among the dev already
10:41:17kugelso it really needs disassembly skills
10:41:29ThomasAHkugel: I was afraid of that answer, therefore I did not ask before :)
10:42:18ThomasAHbut 4-5 sounds like I can still hope
10:42:39topiknew ports require lots of time
10:44:47ThomasAHtopik: I can imagine ... as soon as there is something I could help with, I would help ... but my assembly skills are quite rusty (6502 ass on C64 in the last millenium)
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10:47:41topikit's a shame it proves hard to get rockbox on the fuze v2. fuze is quite a decent player.
10:48:46pamaurygevaerts: ping
10:49:06funmankugel: btw, it would be nice to have lcd support for fuzev2
10:49:45kugelheh, sure
10:49:50funmanFlynDice: if you want to run code on your clip+ don't forget to restore GPIO registers in the state where you found them!
10:50:46kugelI plan to have a look at it in a month or so (after the exams), I've disassembled most of the lcd code already last year but never found time to try it
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11:11:47pamaurygevaerts: I have a question on USB stalling and control endpoint. Suppose the core stall say EP_CONTROL on OUT direction, can it still receive transfers on EP_CONTROL but on IN direction ? My point is that control endpoints are special because there are bidirectional by nature, so is stall a characteristic of the endpoint in this case or is it direction dependent ?
11:12:21gevaertsgood question, I'd have to look this up in the spec
11:12:39*gevaerts doesn't really have time for that now
11:12:59pamauryAlso, I have another question. After that's, I'll stop bother you.
11:13:39pamauryWhen the usb receives a control request but can't handle it (for example, it doesn't understand it), it should stall its control endpoint, right ?
11:13:44pamaury*usb device
11:14:00gevaertsoh, wait
11:14:12gevaertsI think stalling the control endpoint is not alllowed at all
11:15:04pamauryThat's seems strange to me also but have can you signal an error ? Just "stall" the transfer ? (I don't know the right term)
11:15:10pamaury*how can
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12:25:37S_a_i_n_tAnyone alive in here that's WPS tag savvy?
12:26:29S_a_i_n_tI'm wondering if there is a tag that's aware of "Next" and "Previous" instead of just FFD and REV?
12:27:19S_a_i_n_tI've looked, but I don't believe there is...I always like to believe I'm wrong first though...and in this case hoping I am.
12:29:04linuxstbS_a_i_n_t: What do you mean? Next/Previous are not playback statuses - i.e. they don't exist for any length of time.
12:31:40S_a_i_n_tI was hoping to be able to set a conditions for next/previous for an AA effect...I know exactly the code I'd *like* to use but dumbassedly forgot there there isn't a tag to run the condition off.
12:32:21*S_a_i_n_t will have to talk to JdGordon nicely and get him interested in the idea somehow...
12:32:56*linuxstb still doesn't understand what S_a_i_n_t wants to be able to do
12:33:11gevaertsS_a_i_n_t: what would be even better is if you'd make a patch for it!
12:34:18S_a_i_n_tI'd like to be able to use fade/transition style effects for AA based on track skipping.
12:34:31S_a_i_n_tthat explain it?
12:35:40S_a_i_n_tbah...guess you'd have to be in my head.
12:35:57S_a_i_n_tand I don;t really reccmmend that.
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12:37:07*teru guesses he wants something notifies that track is chaged.
12:37:16S_a_i_n_tlets just say that I know what I want to do but it needs a tag that doesn't exist.
12:38:19S_a_i_n_tteru: basically, but to assign a conditional to it so I can resize AA in varied stages (ie. cheap transitional effect) :D
12:38:38linuxstbS_a_i_n_t: I mean I understand the idea of album art effects when you skip tracks, but don't see how that can be implemented with WPS tags - i.e. even if such a tag existed, what would you do with it?
12:38:51S_a_i_n_tlook up
12:40:32linuxstbYes, and?
12:41:35S_a_i_n_tlook...if you don't understand what I'm trying to do I don't believe any ammount of me explaining it will change that.
12:42:18S_a_i_n_thad an idea, asked a question, found out the answer, can't do it (yet at least), end of.
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13:38:12S_a_i_n_tCan crypt_firmware be run from a simulator build or does it have to be on the deice itself?
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13:40:42TorneHas to be on the device
13:41:00Torneotherwise we would've just put the code in ipodpatcher
13:41:18TorneWe don't know the encryption keys for the firmware, they are locked away in a hardware crypto unit
13:41:29Tornebut fortunately once you can run code on the device you can ask it to encrypt htings for you
13:41:38*TheSeven|Mobile realizes that Torne must be talking about nano2g
13:41:48Torneindeed :)
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13:44:40S_a_i_n_tthanks Torne, it seems I either missed or callously disregarded "(using the AES hardware crypto unit inside the Samsung SoC)" in the nano2g rbwiki
13:45:11S_a_i_n_tand should've realised a sim build wouldn't have thiss.
13:45:21campino2kam i allowed to use the rockbox logo for an blog posting? and where can I find a bigger or svg version of the logo?
13:46:18gevaertscampino2k: you mean a blog posting about rockbox? I wouldn't know why not
13:47:09AlexPsv is in svn
13:47:25campino2kAlexP: k. i'll look in there
13:47:31campino2kgevaerts: thanks
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13:48:06S_a_i_n_tTorne: I'm getting "Screen Too Narrow" warnings in about 50% of my IF titles (All my DAP's are Nano's so I'm not too surprised), is it screen wrapping in Frotz or the game itself?
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13:48:23Tornescreen too narrow?
13:48:25Tornenever seen that
13:48:31Tornethat's the game telling you that
13:48:36S_a_i_n_tget a Nano :P
13:48:43Torneit's too narrow on every target
13:48:49Tornefor some definition of too narrow :)
13:49:19Torneis it just normal text?
13:49:20S_a_i_n_tHHGTTG and Leather Goddess are the ones I know do it for sure.
13:49:35TorneOh, commercial games?
13:49:50S_a_i_n_tothers do too, should I make a list?
13:49:50TorneYes, Infocom would expect certain screen dimensions
13:49:58TorneNo, there's nothing we can do about it
13:50:05S_a_i_n_tyeah, infocom originals I believe.
13:50:18TorneThe Z-machine spec says the screen should ideally be 60 characters wide by 14 lines deep at a minimum
13:50:27Torneeven ipodvideo can't fit 60 chars
13:50:37Bagdera virtual screen!
13:50:41TorneBagder: no :)
13:50:56TorneS_a_i_n_t: Modern Z-machine games compiled with Inform and using the Inform standard library are far less likely to care.
13:51:03S_a_i_n_tAh, thanks...all I really wanted to know was if it was the game or screen wrapping...thanks.
13:51:15TorneThere is no screen wrapping
13:51:33Tornethe interpreter tells the game how big the screen is, and it's the game's job to conform to that
13:51:37S_a_i_n_tpity, I'm getting pretty far in HHGTTG, further than I ever got in the late 80's anyway :P
13:51:43campino2ki found the 400px- logo, thats far enough
13:51:48campino2kthanks guys
13:51:53Tornewell, there's nothing we can do about it
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13:52:07Tornewhen the cursor is on the upper window you have to print in monospace
13:52:24Tornetrying to wrap it would be mind boggling and would undoubtedly make it worse
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13:53:13Torneat some point I'm going to support using the user font for the lower window which could make more characters fit, since that's likely to be a proportional font
13:53:22Tornebut the upper window is required to be character cell addressable
13:53:52S_a_i_n_tuser font would make MORE chars fit?!?
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13:54:01S_a_i_n_toh, if it were less than 8pt
13:54:05Tornesure, why wouldn't it?
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13:54:20Tornethe average width of chars in the user font is less, generally, unless you pick a really big font
13:54:32Tornethe height will be more :)
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13:56:00S_a_i_n_tmust depend on the target dpi I anything less than 8pt on a nano for instance would be asking for a migrain (playing IF anyway)
13:56:37Torneer, i think you are missing the point
13:56:41Tornethe user font is generally a *proportional* font
13:57:13Torneeven though individual characters will generally look bigger, you can probably fit more of them across the screen for typical human language text
13:57:54Tornesysfont is 6px wide whatever you print
14:00:16teru%cs tag shows that current screen is WPS while in wps' context menu. is this intended?
14:01:36S_a_i_n_tteru: probably not...I don't think the %cs tag includes the context menu's
14:01:46S_a_i_n_t*menus that case, it probably is...yes.
14:02:44S_a_i_n_tsince it's the WPS context menu.
14:16:46pamaurygevaerts: USB spec says:
14:16:47pamauryAfter a halt condition is encountered or an error is detected by the host, a control endpoint is allowed to
14:16:47pamauryrecover by accepting the next Setup PID; i.e., recovery actions via some other pipe are not required for
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14:16:47pamaurycontrol endpoints. For the Default Control Pipe, a device reset will ultimately be required to clear the halt
14:16:47pamauryor error condition if the next Setup PID is not accepted.
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14:46:32pamaurygevaerts: ping
14:51:38gevaertspamaury: yes?
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14:52:56pamauryHave you got any idea of what this setup packet could do ? (I get it from windows)
14:52:56pamauryvhci-hcd: bmRequestType=0xc0 bRequest=0xfe wValue=0x0000
14:52:57pamauryvhci-hcd: wIndex=0x0004 wLength=0x0010 epadr=0x80 urb_length=0x10
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14:56:29Assemblerhay deos the rockbox uses c or c++?
14:56:50pamauryc and assembler
14:56:50Assembleror assembler, also heard about lua..
14:57:03Assemblerwhat is lua?
14:57:18pamauryLua is a scripting language
14:57:39Assemblercan i use it for riing plugins?
14:58:01gevaertspamaury: I've never encountered bRequest 0xfe. Isn't that one of the MS specific things?
14:58:02pamauryThere is a plugin which is capable of interpreting Lua but I don't know if there are much examples of it. I'm sure somone here know that. Have you tried the wiki ?
14:58:25Assemblernot really
14:58:27Assembleril go for it
14:58:36pamaurygevaerts: that what I thought first but MS thing is GET STRING DESCRIPTOR request, not a vendor specific one AFAIK
14:58:59Assemblerim just bored hile the rockbox scources are downloading
14:59:32TorneYou can, more or less, write plugins in lua, yes.
14:59:44Tornethe Lua plugin exposes most of the C plugin API to the Lua scripts it runs
14:59:54Assembleris it object oriented?
15:00:13Assemblerim still wondring how can i write games it C...
15:00:25pamauryIs it not object oriented in itself but you can simulate it easily because everything is table based.
15:00:44pamauryThere have been lots of commercial games partly written in Lua for the logic part
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15:02:50TorneLua is.. complicated to categorise as a language. You can implement OO in it, of course, because you can implement OO in practically anything
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15:03:26pamauryWell, Lua really has the ability to do OO programming in a elegant way. It's not like OO in C !
15:03:33Assembleri can with C++, for example if i have a ball, i can use a form as an object, but how can i do so in C?
15:04:01pamauryYou can do OO in C but it's less elegant
15:04:06pamauryA major example is GTK
15:04:58Assembleris te bubbles scource inside the rockbox scource i download by SVC?
15:05:08pamauryGo to #rockbox-community if you have more questions, that's not directly related to rockbox
15:05:42Assemblerho can i change my channel?
15:05:57Assemblerim in a eb client
15:06:13Assemblerin a web client*
15:06:24Assemblersorry its a bad keyboard
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15:06:57pamaurydon't know, depends on the webclient probably
15:07:42Assemblerho has a sansa fuze?!
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16:57:56kkurbjunsvn is completely broken on the MR500 since r24340
16:58:15kkurbjunI believe that was JdGordon 's commit
16:58:38kkurbjunthe screen starts up and it looks like it goes into endless resets
16:58:44kkurbjun24339 works fine
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17:04:04kkurbjunit's possible that 24341 is the culprit, I just went back to 24339
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17:15:54kkurbjunthe WPS is also showing graphic glitches now with the latest SBS "fixes" on the MR500 withthe cleangreen theme
17:16:10kkurbjunI don't think that branching right now is a good idea...
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17:17:43kkurbjunwhen the screen turns off and touch the screen to bring it back the whole thing comes up black
17:17:49kkurbjunI mean the backdrop is gone
17:18:01kkurbjunand then when you go back to the menu it comes back
17:18:12kkurbjunbut there are black sections behind some of the viewports
17:22:14linuxstbkkurbjun: You know that the branching already happened?
17:22:24kkurbjunoh nice
17:23:15kkurbjunwell, it's pretty messed up on at least the mr500, and with the wps glitches it wouldn't surprise me if other themes on other targets have similar problems
17:23:35kkurbjunthe rebooting may be mr500 specific, but I would guess that the wps problems are not
17:24:00linuxstbkkurbjun: Although the mr500 isn't a supported/release target is it?
17:24:07kkurbjunI am guessing that r24335 caused the wps problems
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17:24:40kkurbjunno it isn't, which is why the freezing may be somewhat /acceptable/
17:25:14kkurbjunbut I would venture to guess that the wps problems are not limited to the mr500
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17:43:33JdGordonkkurbjun: if it was 24340 then I'll just revert it, its not a big deal
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18:02:49pamaurygevaerts: I'm wondering what do to with those control transfers that are unhandled in the core. Windows seems to want an answer, but on the other hand, stalling seems violent. Also, have you found something in the spec saying we can't stall a control endpoint ?
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18:12:18gevaertspamaury: I was wrong. You can stall from EP0, you just can't halt the endpoint
18:12:40CtcpIgnored 1 channel CTCP requests in 0 seconds at the last flood
18:12:40*gevaerts recommends reading chapter 8 of the USB spec to anyone who wants to know these things in detail
18:13:01pamauryWhat halting an endpoint mean ?
18:16:16gevaertsmaking it stall for a longer time. Again, see the spec for details. I'm really not familiar enough with chapter 8 to know this without having to search a lot myself
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18:25:12CIA-5New commit by saratoga (r24346): Commit FS #10422 by Yoshihisa Uchida. Seperates WAV and AIFF parsing from PCM decoding by introducing libpcm, a library for decoding linear and ...
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18:29:32JdGordonkkurbjun: the black background is 24335... the h300 sim is segfaulting on 24340 though so I'm inclined to revert that change and forget about the ondioSP's rombox
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18:31:07JdGordonkugel: I think your backdrop commit changed too much from my version
18:31:21JdGordonsee kkurbjun's issue (or cabbiev2 on h300)
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18:32:25kkurbjunWyeah, i'm not sure what to do about the ondia
18:32:40kugelJdGordon: it changed nothing else, except backdrop api and making the moving backdrow_show() further behind in wps.c
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18:34:11kugelmaybe we can try to debug before reverting
18:34:35kugelmaybe it has to do with targets with remote
18:35:13saratoga" '%x' expects type 'unsigned int', but argument 2 has type 'long unsigned int'"
18:35:24saratogashould I just cast to int32 to fix this warning?
18:36:07kugelchange to %lx
18:36:24kugeloh it's the other way around
18:36:48kugeluhm....:\ changing to %lx should work
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18:37:16saratogahuh the type is defined as "uint32_t" already
18:37:20saratogawhy is this even a warning
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18:38:47JdGordonthe segfault in the h300 sim is because the backdop_* functions arnt being built for colour main and b+w remote targets... simple fix
18:38:54saratogaDEBUGF("CODEC_ERROR: unsupport wave format %x\n", format.formattag); where format.formattag is a uint32 should be safe everywhere i think?
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18:39:01JdGordonthe black backdrop is 24335 for sure though
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18:40:12kugelI'll have a look
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18:50:24saratogaanyone have a 32 bit machine around who can compile the sim?
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18:51:09pamauryat svn HEAD ?
18:51:27saratogaline 205 in apps/codecs/wav.c
18:51:43pamauryon specific target or it doesn't matter ?
18:51:50saratogai don't understand why some sims give a warning on that
18:51:53saratogaany swcodec
18:52:52pamauryCan you give a example target with swcodec ?
18:53:33saratogasandisk, ipods, iriver, iaudio,
18:54:00pamaurye200 has swcodec ?
18:54:23*pamaury is building everything
18:54:30AlexPall except the old archos
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18:55:49pamauryI have two warnings:
18:55:57pamaury/home/pamaury/project/rockbox/rockbox/apps/codecs/wav.c:178: warning: format ‘%x’ expects type ‘unsigned int’, but argument 2 has type ‘long unsigned int’
18:55:58pamaury/home/pamaury/project/rockbox/rockbox/apps/codecs/wav.c:205: warning: format ‘%x’ expects type ‘unsigned int’, but argument 2 has type ‘long unsigned int’
18:56:04saratogayeah thats expected
18:56:08pamauryput %lx
18:56:17saratogathat'll just break it on 64 bit sims
18:56:25pamauryreally ?
18:56:49saratogahmm i thought so
18:56:55pamaurylong does mean 64-bit integer for printf on 64 bit platform. I doubt
18:57:08saratogawhy is that needed if the type is uint32_t?
18:58:09pamaurybecause C make a difference between int and long int. The first is %x, %d, ... and second is with a 'l'. On some platform, int!=long int. As some platforms used uint32_t=unsigned long int, you have to use a 'l'
18:58:47saratogahome/mike/rockbox/libpcm/apps/codecs/wav.c:205: warning: format â%lxâ expects type âlong unsigned intâ, but argument 2 has type âunsigned intâ
18:59:13saratogaso on your 32 bit machine the type is "long unsigned int" but on my 64 bit machine the type is "unsigned int"
18:59:30saratoga uint32_t formattag;
18:59:47saratogahow is that ambiguous
19:00:12pamaurythe type is not ambiguous, but printf doesn't work on n-bit types, it works on those buggy C types
19:00:38saratogawhat if we just cast to "unsigned int" in the printf?
19:01:34pamauryIt will work usually because on 32-bit platforms, long int=int and on 64-bit platform, int=32-bit. So you can do that I think
19:01:41linuxstbsaratoga: I think that's done in other places. If you look at other DEBUGF statements in Rockbox, I'm sure you'll see similar hacks.
19:01:46pamauryOn your can even cast it to long unsigned int. That's safer
19:01:53kugelwow, fixing r24340 makes things really ugly
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19:02:42saratogalinuxstb: works fine on 64 bit, pamaury, does it work for you?
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19:03:11pamaurysaratoga: cast to unsigned int ? I'll try in a seconde
19:03:27kugeland it will probably break rombox on the odio again
19:03:31*linuxstb wonders if the sim is using Rockbox's definitions of uint32_t etc or the system versions
19:03:53saratogaprobably the systems
19:04:13kugelJdGordon, kkurbjun: the mr500 seems to work fine with r24340 fixed
19:04:50pamaurysaratoga: it works for me
19:04:54linuxstbsaratoga: I'm not sure that it is...
19:05:30CIA-5New commit by saratoga (r24347): Fix warnings on 32 bit sim.
19:07:57kugelkkurbjun: unrelated question, is 128 brightness levels really needed on the mr500?
19:08:12kugelit seems too much and that doesn't work well with sw backlight fading
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19:09:13kkurbjunWit is just a linear change on the mr500 right now
19:09:20kkurbjunWso it exposes all of the possible settings
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19:09:34kugelI cannot repro the black backdrop after fixing JdGordon's commit
19:09:34kkurbjunWit's possible to change it to a log scale like the gigabeat F/X
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19:10:10CIA-5New commit by saratoga (r24348): Commit FS #10423 by Yoshihisa Uchida. Adds support for floating point PCM to libpcm.
19:10:17kkurbjunWso the black backdrop happens after the lcd actually turns off
19:10:24kkurbjunWit's not just when the backlight is off
19:10:42kkurbjunWbut you can see black boxes on the wps before it fades all the way out
19:11:02kkurbjunWif you just go into the wps, it looks like the backdrop is disabled, but the screen is not cleared
19:11:13kkurbjunWso dynamic viewports show black
19:11:24kugelseems to work now
19:11:37kkurbjunWand then whenthe lcd turns off and then comes back on the screen is cleared withthe backdrop disabled
19:11:52kkurbjunWI can't test anything right now, but I can give it a shot later today
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19:16:02kugelkkurbjunW: did you try any revision between my and JdGordon's commit?
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19:17:23kkurbjunWI just went back to 24339 and found that it did not crash any more. Then I saw the wps problems, but did not have time to test more revisions
19:17:38kkurbjunWmy guess was that 35 was the culprit, but I didn't verify it
19:18:00kkurbjunWfrom talking to jdgordon it sounds like he did, but I am not sure on that
19:20:02kugelI would be very surprised if 24339 broke anything
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19:21:34kkurbjunWI don't think that 39 did.
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19:22:03kkurbjunWI was trying to go back to the first revision that did not crash the mr500 which was 39
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19:23:03kkurbjunWso something before 39 caused the wps problems, 35 and 36 looks the most suspect
19:23:23kkurbjunWbut I did not get a chance to verify that
19:26:24kugelso >40 crashed, but <=39 causes black artifacts?
19:26:37JdGordon|sounds right
19:26:55kkurbjunWthat is correct
19:27:03kugelwell, I fixed the backdrop_*() calls and I'm not seeing those anymore
19:28:13kugel35 didn't change anything for the wps effectively
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19:31:30kugelI'm afraid putting screen->depth() > 1 around each backdrop call breaks rombox again
19:31:56JdGordon|no, just stub the remote backdrop funcs
19:32:03JdGordon|or revert the whole thing and screen rombox
19:33:07kugelscreen rombox?
19:33:29kugelor screw?
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19:38:43BuschelTorne: as we branched you might submit fs#9708 :o)
19:43:05pamauryIt works ! I made this fucking simulator usb works with UMS under virtualized Windows ! The bug was nasty
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19:45:46pamaurygevaerts: this is nasty in usb_storage to send(NULL, 0) on a BULK endpoint ! A dummy buffer instead of NULL woudl have caused me much less pain :)
19:50:41kugelthe nano2g guys noticed the same thing with their usb :)
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19:51:47bertrikIs it really a cause for problems? I suppose the 2nd argument is the length of the buffer, if it's 0 the location of the buffer shouldn't really matter
19:51:48pamauryAh, did it was also on usb storage ? I noticed that he talked about it but didn't know on which situation it occured !
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19:53:20kugelbertrik: the dma on the nano2g crapped out at NULL though
19:53:28pamaurybertrik: well it was my mistake because I checked the buffer against NULL to see if there was a pending buffer. If the buffer is NULL, well there is a pending buffer my driver would miss it !
19:54:18pamauryIt just that for me, buffer=NULL & length=0 ===> ACK on control endpoint. But I wrong it seems
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19:56:41pamauryhehehe, HId also works. Time to try to fatal combinaison !
19:56:46bertrikok, if dma gets confused by that, it makes sense to have a convention of supplying NULL
19:57:11bertrik*of not ever supplying NULL
19:57:26pamauryIn my case, it is a programming mistake but on real hardware, I guess it could confuse the hardware but that's weird
19:58:00*kugel has no idea why it's going black with r24335
20:07:01kugelhm, the backdrop is disabled in viewportmanager_set_enable() right before.
20:07:03pamauryAnd the winner is: HID+UMS under windows, everytying virtualized. I'm a genius ;)
20:07:08kugelreenabling seems to fail
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20:07:38JdGordon|kugel: seriously, dont worry about it, revert the whole lot and then ill commit the replacement over the weekend
20:07:41kugelthat theme has %wd, removing it or changing it to %we doesn't work
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20:07:57JdGordon|its not worth the effort for trash code
20:08:37kugelit's broken right now
20:08:53kugeland I don't understand how fixing your commit fixes my commit also
20:08:58JdGordon|its fixed in my local tree, which was only waiting for release to go in
20:09:07JdGordon|it does?!
20:09:08gevaertspamaury: well done!
20:09:19kugeland no, reverting the whole lot makes plugins bad again. I don't want that
20:09:36JdGordon|so dont use 3.5?
20:09:55JdGordon|does the patch I put on the tracker fix that issue and cause anything else bad?
20:10:10pamaurygevaerts: that means that usb core seems correct but I needed to add a few protection against unhandled transfers and the driver is so tricky that it doesn't prove anything for the usb-arc possibly broken
20:10:26kugelwhat patch?
20:10:51JdGordon|the last one in 10868
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20:11:43kugelthat's the one I committed
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20:11:58JdGordon|with no other changes
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20:12:12kugelthat makes at least the wps show the main backdrop
20:12:39kugelthat's why I moved backdrop_show() further behind
20:12:40JdGordon|even if %X is used?
20:12:59kugelyes, since theme_enable() was called after backdrop_show()
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20:14:25gevaertsI assume we disable USB on ipods again as usual?
20:15:58JdGordon|kugel: 10922 is ready and works and AFAIK fixes all the issues.. so just forget about 3.5 and move on
20:16:06kugelwow, adding a backdrop_show() (directly without screen api) fixes it!
20:17:07kugelin fact, replacing does as well. screen[i].backdrop_show() doesn't work, while plain backdrop_show() does!
20:17:26JdGordon|is the screen api pointing to the right function?
20:18:11kugelyes, I also added a break point to backdrop_show() and it hits
20:18:48pamaurygevaerts: I posted a new patch in FS #10916 if you want to see the (really small) changes I made to usb core. I doubt it would have an influence on real hardware but we never know. I'll try to investigate the issue for HID+UMS for real hardware
20:19:38kugelthe remote pointer isn't correct though
20:19:50kugelah well, that's expected
20:20:09kugelprintf("%d\n",display->backdrop_show == backdrop_show); #-> 1
20:20:17gevaertspamaury: join the club! See FS #10319 for the other players :)
20:20:27kugelwhat the heck is that
20:23:23kugelthat must be impossible!!1
20:23:54kugel"if (display->screen_type == SCREEN_MAIN) backdrop_show(BACKDROP_SKIN_WPS);" works while "if (display->screen_type == SCREEN_MAIN) display->backdrop_show(BACKDROP_SKIN_WPS);" does not!
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20:25:48gevaertspamaury: the changes to the core look sane to me. I might have done the serial number ifdeffing differently, but that's about it
20:26:00*gevaerts ignored the various logf tweaks while reviewing
20:26:11JdGordon|kugel: thats totally fucked!
20:26:25pamauryAh, I picked the simplest solution for serial number ;)
20:27:58kugelthe break point shows that it's calling the right function
20:28:43bertrikproving the function pointer is set, right?
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20:31:06kugelI wondered that too, but it doesn't seem to matter for function pointers
20:31:20pamauryFor function pointers that's not mandatory but prefered iirc
20:32:07bertrikIt seems redundant to me, but probably is not cause of problems
20:32:08kugelso, the other question is why it works with the patch I posted above
20:41:11CIA-5New commit by gevaerts (r24350): Use OF USB on the ipods. Using our own USB code exposes some problems, such as the current charging issues (for many people, charging basically ...
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20:51:50kugelinteresting, i get a break in lcd_backdrop() when the remote calls backdrop_hide
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20:52:24bertrikah, so maybe the function pointers are shifted?
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20:52:50bertrikoh no, they are assigned with .function = function
20:53:19TheSeven|Mobileeh, gcc bug?
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20:56:11kugelit clearly says ".backdrop_hide=&remote_backdrop_hide,", and remote_backdrop_hide does only lcd_remote_backdrop(NULL)
20:56:48pamauryiGcc iBug ?
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20:57:31kugelactually it should compile the stub which does nothing since the remote is monochrome
20:59:08kugelthat almost certainly seems like a bug somewhere
20:59:23kugelwhere somewehere != rockbox code
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21:06:12kugelinspecting the screen struct shows that it points to 2 different addresses in the struct for each screen
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21:06:46Strife89I can't seem to apply a patch for FS #10034; it's probably desynced. Anyone care to look at it?
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21:07:32bertrikStrife89, I'll have a go at resyncing if you want
21:07:41Strife89bertrik: That'd be nice. :)
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21:07:47gevaertsStrife89: well, first of all the config file was moved
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21:08:18Strife89Ah, that explains a good bit.
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21:09:25Strife89As a side note, I have a type 0 LCD. Noone has reported test results for that one yet.
21:10:25*linuxstb wonders what happened to barrywardell's work to hugely speed up LCD transfers on the ipod color/photo
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21:12:06kugelI found the problem
21:13:18kugelit doesn't explain all strangeness I've seen, but it explains why the display goes black on the mr500
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21:15:38amiconnlinuxstb: That was me (dunno whether barrywardell also wanted to do it), and the status is still the same
21:15:52amiconnI know what to do, but can't be bothered to actually do it :\
21:17:23amiconnIt's not just the ipod color/photo, but also H10 (big & small)
21:17:59kugelthere's a bug with multi screen handing since the latest viewportmanager changes
21:18:54linuxstbYes, I remember barrywardell experimenting with his H10, and I tried the same on the color, with impressive speedups.
21:20:09amiconnI have working code in my small H10 driver, uncommitted for >1 year or so...
21:20:28amiconnIt's working, just not polished
21:20:52amiconnAnd I wanted to unify this stuff across the targets using the PP colour lcd bridge
21:21:57amiconnI also found out how to do lcd flip on the type 0 lcd (if I can dig up my test results again that is)
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21:34:53CIA-5New commit by kugel (r24351): Fix multiscreen handling of the viewportmanager.
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21:39:16bertrikStrife89, I have it mostly synced now, but I get an undefined reference to lcd_activation_call_hook that I don't know how to handle
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21:42:08bertrikit looks like the callback has been changed into sending an event
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21:42:27Strife89bertrik: Does it compile?
21:42:41bertrikyes it compiles, but it does not link
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21:45:04kugelinteresting warning
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21:45:35kugelI would've expected it to affect more targets
21:45:44CIA-5New commit by kugel (r24352): Fix yellows
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21:46:10bertrikStrife, I replaced the lcd_activation_call_hook now by a send_event(LCD_EVENT_ACTIVATION, NULL) and it compiles, not completely sure if it is correct
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21:46:29Strife89bertrik: Post it or pastie it and I'll test it.
21:46:31kugelbertrik: it is
21:46:56bertrikStrife89, I'll put it on the FS, OK?
21:47:04Strife89bertrik: Alright.
21:47:17Strife89That's what I meant by "post it". :)
21:47:44Strife89"Pastie" = pastebin, pastie, etc.
21:48:48kugelJdGordon|: what do we do about the crashes?
21:49:01JdGordon|fix them :p
21:49:04JdGordon|which ones?
21:49:36kugelthe backdrop ones
21:49:46kugel(my last commit only fixed the black screen issue)
21:49:46JdGordon|I'll fix them tonight
21:50:10kugelit was a bug in your patch btw :)
21:50:19JdGordon|sure it was!
21:50:56kugelI think still think gdb acted strange with the break points
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21:51:31kugelit maybe interpreted it as pointer to the main screen function because the pointer to the remote one is null
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21:53:15kugelthe best would be to find another place to get 200 bytes back
21:53:50kugelit strikes me that the previous commit created a delta again :/
21:54:29terrakokhi! Where can I find the DS to the chip sansa e200?
21:54:30terrakokp.s. I do emulator nes
21:55:15kugelno idea, if you find it please share it with us!
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21:58:26bertrikI have no idea if the sansa e200 is even powerful enough to emulate NES
21:59:01Strife89bertrik: I'm in patch hell at the moment, but I'm fixin' to go home. I'm checking out clean and I'll compile when I arrive.
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22:01:16terrakokI had based emulator NESTRA, it is very easy. I think sansa will work
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22:02:39terrakokWhere can I get asm commands for sansa e200?
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22:03:50bertrikterrakok, it's an ARM processor, but I don't know the exact version
22:04:23FlynDiceterrakok: v1 or v2? the e200 i mean....
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22:05:53bertrikterrakok, the e200v2 has a PortalPlayer PP5024, see also
22:06:07gevaertse200v1 you mean :)
22:06:16FlynDicethat's the v1...
22:06:24FlynDicelate again;)
22:08:38terrakokthanks, will seek)
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22:15:41B4gderfosdem sunday 14h-15h "Rockbox: open source firmware replacement for music players"
22:17:26B4gderfunnily enough, I got the schedule by mail but it isn't yet on the site
22:18:24*gevaerts isn't that surprised
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22:33:35JdGordon|kugel: did all those changes get into the 3.5 branch?
22:33:43JdGordon|or do we rebranch?
22:34:01gevaertsI wouldn't rebranch
22:34:02kugelhas there been a commit to the branch yet?
22:34:24kugelJdGordon|: no i didn't backport yet
22:34:30JdGordon|can you please?
22:34:40gevaertsalso, I have no idea what happens to existing checkouts when rebranching
22:35:00JdGordon|it looks like saratogas commits dont want to be in 3.5
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22:41:58AsaelReiterDoes rockbox run on SansaClip v2? has a list on the front page
22:43:13AsaelReiterI tried to compile it, but I got error.
22:45:51AsaelReiter(according to, it should work)
22:47:07linuxstbAsaelReiter: Can you compile other targets? e.g. clipv1?
22:47:44AsaelReiteryes. I will check again
22:50:09linuxstbAsaelReiter: I've just tried it, and get an error about multiple definition of "sd_sleep" - so it looks like it's currently broken.
22:50:34linuxstb(if it's ever worked...)
22:50:35AsaelReiterlinuxstb: thanks
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23:18:40soapMy god, is that iTunes E200 theme _really_ original artwork?
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23:19:13JdGordon|i doubt it :)
23:19:19Stephen__is the simpsons ipod video one original too ?
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23:50:04JdGordon|kugel: whats your plan with the backporting? I'm not sure I'll have time to actually commit a fix tonight, but if I do I want to do a new batch of RC builds
23:50:46kugelI'll do before you get the chance :)
23:51:36JdGordon|you'll fix the crashes also?
23:51:42Stephen__any way to reset the h340 without using the rest ?
23:51:51kugelJdGordon|: you said you would
23:52:09kugelI'm not sure how to fix them best
23:52:41JdGordon|I was just trying to work out what you replied... dont worry
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23:54:58JdGordon|soap: Stephen__: re those themes, I thught we were specifically not going looking for themes which might be naughty?
23:56:14Stephen__hard not to see it
23:56:30Stephen__hmm current build crshes my h340
23:56:52JdGordon|yeah, my bad :p
23:57:03Stephen__I04:I1Instr at 00000002
23:58:06soapJdGordon, wasn't seeking them out. It hit me in the face.
23:58:28soapNow, if I had taken the resources and compared them to iTunes screenshots...
23:58:37JdGordon|still, isnt that an area we wanted to make sure we didnt play in?
23:58:52soapWhat WAS the consensus on that?

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