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#rockbox log for 2010-01-28

00:00:09scorcheopinion differs on the subject..i dont think we ever really came to a "conclusion"
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00:00:37scorcheor "consensus", rather
00:00:53Stephen__whats the opinion of the onda one ?
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02:23:41diz_Childhello, i'm disassembling my firmware.exe, i have found a line notes with LoadImageA, but how can i get ImageA out?
02:28:38TheSevendiz_Child: that function is related to loading some graphics for the user interface...
02:29:01TheSevensee docs at
02:30:18diz_Childum, thanks 7~
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02:45:50S_a_i_n_tQuestion, did there used to be a menu setting somewhere to load a custom keyboard layout or did I just imagine it?
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02:49:16hunternet93Is there a way to access serial and/or IO pins from Rockbox? Like connect serial to a computer or other device, or connect an IO pin to an LED?
02:49:33JdGordon|S_a_i_n_t: file browser only i tinhk
02:49:36TheSevendepends on the device
02:49:47hunternet93say, a Sansa e200v1?
02:50:02*TheSeven passes that to a sansa expert
02:50:24Unhelpfulif you just want to get data out, why not use USB logf?
02:50:40hunternet93I want to control a microcontroller from it
02:50:50 Quit JdGordon| ("Miranda IM! Smaller, Faster, Easier.")
02:51:02hunternet93Just a random idea
02:53:11CIA-5New commit by kugel (r24353): Backport r24351: Fix multiscreen handling of the viewportmanager.
02:53:18hunternet93So, probably not?
02:54:03S_a_i_n_tOh, I found a bug (of sorts) in the The Settings/Status-/Scrollbar/Scrollbar Width Settings. When the selector wraps from top to bottom (or vice versa) it is displayed incorrectly by the representative scrollbar. What I mean is that if you wrap from 25px to 3px (while scrolling possible selections) the scrollbar stays as 25px, or if you wrap from 3px to 25px it stays as 3px.
02:54:15S_a_i_n_tI hope that's not as confusing as I think it is...
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02:55:50TheSevendoes it only stay at the old value for the wrapping step itself, or even if you scroll through the list afterwards?
02:55:59TheSevenmaybe it's just lagging a step behind or something?
02:57:00S_a_i_n_tonly stays on old value after wrapping from 25px to 3px it stays as 25px untill you continue on to 4px
02:57:05S_a_i_n_tor vice versa
02:58:04S_a_i_n_tTheSeven: I'm *SO* glad you managed to understand that lol...I had some real fear of everyone just going "huh....?" :P
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02:58:58S_a_i_n_tIs it worth putting it on Flyspray?
02:59:08kugelit's a known issue
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02:59:32S_a_i_n_tI'd have to word the bug description a LOT better than I did just now...I'm not sure how to explain it properly.
02:59:34kugelwell, you can put it on flyspray if you want if you want to get it fixed, but I doubt anyone will bother
02:59:55kugelit lags a step behind
03:00:19kugelbecause at the time you scroll to the next item, the setting doesn't have changed yet
03:00:33S_a_i_n_tAh, I tried having a look to see if it was already there but I didn't know how to word it didn't find it.
03:00:45S_a_i_n_tAs long as it's known, all is well.
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03:28:54CIA-5New commit by unhelpful (r24354): Improvements to specialized dividers for APE codec: ...
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03:40:35CIA-5New commit by unhelpful (r24355): Fix red: smlal operand ordering in udiv32_arm.S
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04:01:46JdGordonS_a_i_n_t: there's a bug for that already
04:01:48JdGordonwont be fixed
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04:08:26Unhelpfulhrm, for playback we normally only boost during decode, right? when the buffer is full the decoder unboosts and sleeps and the CPU stays unboosted until the decoder is run to refill again?
04:13:57JdGordonthats the theory of it
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04:37:40UnhelpfulJdGordon: well, states about 120%RT is required from the codec for playback. we're currently at 109% on ape normal on e200, i was wondering if not unboosting when the decoder sleeps might suffice to make it playable (knowing that a better solution would be to eventually use COP)
04:41:36Unhelpfuli suppose the easiest way to accomplish that would be to have the codec itself boost, and then unboost when it completes the file or is stopped?
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05:06:38saratogaUnhelpful: (looking at the logs) most of the overhead is due to needing some CPU for DSP, drivers, and screen updates
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05:07:17saratogai don't think keeping boosted all the time will make a huge difference, but you can test by forcing the player to be boosted in the debug menu and seeing if playback works any better
05:07:50Unhelpfulsaratoga: i'm not expecting a *huge* difference, but given that we're already close... :)
05:08:01saratogaFWIW the minimum DSP configuration on the e200v1 uses something like 2.5MHz of CPU time for playback on top of what the codec needs
05:08:46saratogaat make sure you can decode at better then 77 MHz for realtime in test_codec
05:09:14Unhelpfuland i assume we already boost during DSP, as that is also compute-intensive?
05:09:32saratogaDSP does't boost directly AFAIK
05:09:56saratogahowever if it uses a lot of CPU time, the PCM buffer will start to drop, and the CPU will be boosted anyway
05:10:37Unhelpfulthe code i just checked in to svn should acheive 73.38MHz on e200 (without DSP)
05:10:55saratogai would expect that to play in real time provided you don't touch the GUI much
05:11:47Unhelpfulhrm, well at around 74% strife89 tested it and had pauses
05:12:00saratoga74% of what?
05:12:20Unhelpfulsorry, not 74%, 74MHz. i've had some further small improvements since his test
05:12:41saratogadepends what he tested with and on which screen he was playing from
05:12:50Unhelpfulmostly came from getting rid of iram insane filter buffer, then maximizing the reciprocal table
05:12:53saratogai would not try this from the debug screens for instance
05:13:24Unhelpfulhe didn't try under test_codec... but i can do that myself (on e200), i was more interested in his times on other armv4+iram devices
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05:14:30saratogausing the COP on PP might be an easy way to make it a lot faster
05:14:45saratogaunless APE is really weird I doubt software pipelining would be all that hard
05:15:44Unhelpfulamiconn seemed to have already put some thought into how best to divide the work... i would still not expect to acheive realtime on high, unless the split works out perfectly and with very low overhead (we should be at about 64% RT on e200 now)
05:16:53Unhelpfulalthough if there are any filter buffers used by other profiles above high and below insane, we could remove those from iram as well, for a larger table
05:16:54saratogayes but getting good performance on normal would be quite nice
05:17:36saratoga~38MHz would make APE comparable to mp3 before the COP optimization went in
05:17:57saratogafor normal anyway
05:19:49*Unhelpful is waiting for the ape normal sample to skip ;)
05:21:59Unhelpfulruns for 30s in cabbie wps w/o skipping. menu is noticeably sluggish but scrolling doesn't cause skip so far.
05:22:09saratogafor what its worth, the ffmpeg people are about to commit their AAC-HE decoder, and have a lot of messages about optimizing it
05:22:18saratogaeventually we should exploit that
05:25:09Unhelpfuli still feel rather like i've committed a rather nasty hack to svn... i have to remind myself that practical is better than pretty. :)
05:25:47saratogaall the codecs are like that
05:26:07saratogayou learn to accept it
05:30:09Unhelpfulwhen i'm done with the libgcc replacement bits i have ready, i think i want to reexamine av_log2 and friends. inline with tables in iram benches slower than calling libgcc's __clzsi2 - probably due to cost of loading the table address. gcc uses a table-follows function implementation, which is a bit faster, and i have a variation which is faster still.
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05:35:17saratogado we have any performance sensitive log2 calls?
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05:36:54Unhelpfulnot terribly so... but replacing it with a function that is faster, not inlined, and doesn't use a 256B table in iram would not hurt. :)
05:37:59Unhelpfulape_normal get 74.84MHz in test_codec with dsp... probably turning on pretty much any DSP processing would make it skip :)
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05:41:03Unhelpfulit's interesting that libgcc fairly often contains worse implementations than the arm system developer's guide... though i can see why they might not bother, as re-implementing the algorithms from it without copying the sample code verbatim is rather a lot of work
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05:52:57S_a_i_n_tis there something specific I need to do to pull the OF from a 2nd Gen Nano using ipodpatcher?!? If I'm correct it should be "./ipodpatcher.exe -rf apple_os.ipod" (well, that's how I did the 1st Gen Nano) but the file apple_os.ipod (for the 2nd Gen) is only 56Kb which doesn't seem right to me seeing as how the apple_os.ipod file for the 1st Gen Nano (using the same method) is around 5Mb
05:53:04S_a_i_n_tAm I doing something wrong?
05:53:53saratogacan ipodpatcher actually do that on a second gen nano?
05:54:21saratogahow does it work? isn't the firmware encrypted and not exposed over USB ?
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05:54:56S_a_i_n_tI'm not sure...maybe that's where I'm fucking it up.
05:55:19S_a_i_n_tI mean, the assumption that it does work the same way.
05:57:04Unhelpfulthe same way as...?
05:58:11S_a_i_n_tI remember having a conversation with TheSeven and he sain that "Advanced Installation using iPodpatcher method 3" would work...but perhaps it was just for the bootloader and didn't support dual-boot.
05:58:31S_a_i_n_tbut perhaps I fucked that up too...
06:01:22saratogai actually thought you had to dump the 2G firmware from within iloader, or perhaps rockbox if theres a plugin for it
06:01:50saratogaso that you can use the hardware crypto unit to decode the firmware
06:02:08saratogahmm but I guess if you're just trying to dual boot you probably don't want to decrypt it
06:02:23saratogajust ask TheSeven in the morning
06:05:00S_a_i_n_tI assumed that ipodpatcher would've put up some sort of a fuss if it wasn't possible to do so
06:05:38S_a_i_n_t[INFO] Scanning disk devices...
06:05:38S_a_i_n_t[INFO] Read XML info (4 bytes)
06:05:38S_a_i_n_t[INFO] Ipod found - 2nd Generation Nano ("winpod") - disk device 3
06:05:38DBUGEnqueued KICK S_a_i_n_t
06:05:38S_a_i_n_t[INFO] Reading partition table from \\.\PhysicalDrive3
06:05:39S_a_i_n_t[INFO] Sector size is 2048 bytes
06:05:39***Alert Mode level 1
06:05:39S_a_i_n_t[INFO] Part Start Sector End Sector Size (MB) Type
06:05:40***Alert Mode level 2
06:05:40S_a_i_n_t[INFO] 0 63 48194 94.0 Empty (0x00)
06:05:42S_a_i_n_t[INFO] 1 48195 991230 1841.9 W95 FAT32 (0x0b)
06:05:44S_a_i_n_t[INFO] Read XML info (4 bytes)
06:05:47S_a_i_n_t[INFO] Ipod model: 2nd Generation Nano ("winpod")
06:05:49S_a_i_n_t[INFO] Reading firmware (52288 bytes)
06:05:50S_a_i_n_t[INFO] Padding read from 0x0000cc40 to 0x0000d000 bytes
06:05:52S_a_i_n_t[INFO] Firmware read to file apple_os.ipod.
06:05:57S_a_i_n_tthat's what it gives me anyhow...
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06:31:16S_a_i_n_tDo I need to delete the existing bootloader first on a nano 2g if I am replacing it with an encrypted bootloader? I mean does "ipodpatcher -a 'bootloader' " work in this instance (as the bootloader extension changes from .ipod to .ipodx)? It's probably just safer to delete the existing bootloader first, correct?
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06:36:30*S_a_i_n_t realises the error in that question....nevermind :P
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06:52:37webguest94hey i have a question about my sansa e280. it doesn't say V2 on the back of the plate of the player, but ive updated the firmware to where it says v03.01.16A. can i use rockbox on it? and if so, the V2 version then?
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06:56:14FlynDicewebguest94: Yes I think that's a v2 and yes it should run rockbox just fine!
06:57:54webguest94ah okay thanks! ive just had it a while...was afraid of breaking it or something. alright.
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07:01:13S_a_i_n_tErr...I have yet another ipodpatcher question. On is says "To compile ipodpatcher with embedded bootloaders, read and follow the instructions at the top of the Makefile." but I've looked at both "SOURCE\rockbox\bootloader\Makefile" and "SOURCE\rockbox\bootloader\bootloader.make" and neither seem to have any "instructions", what am I missing/doing wrong?!?
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07:24:59GodEaterS_a_i_n_t: looking at the wrong makefile I suspect ;)
07:25:47GodEaterlook at ipodpatcher's Makefile
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07:36:46S_a_i_n_tGodEater: Now *that* makes some sense...yet another case of the wiki not being as explicit as it indeed should be I guess. I just assumed (and yes, I do know the flaws in assumption) that whilst talking about bootloaders and makefiles that it meant the bootloader's makefile. Your suggestion makes a *lot* more sense.
07:36:52*S_a_i_n_t slaps forhead.
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07:49:34S_a_i_n_tlooking at the ipodpatcher makefile, I don't actually need to do anything to compile with embedded bootloaders except for including the bootloaders in the ipodpatcher this correct? It mentions enabling two lines in the wiki, but from what I can see none are disabled. Am I correct?
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07:51:04yzflcyqAre you in?
07:51:18CIA-5New commit by jdgordon (r24356): fix crashing with remote lcd's
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07:53:01yzflcyqI'm the creater of the theme 'WMP11'
07:54:48CIA-5New commit by jdgordon (r24357): Fix remote backdrop crashes
07:55:06S_a_i_n_tyzflcyq: what is it that you're wanting to know?
07:55:46yzflcyqWell my theme has been removed cause of why?
07:56:59S_a_i_n_tprobably due to the fact that I believe it was called "Windows Media Player 11 (Preview)" and that would be a copyright/trademark violation....
07:57:08S_a_i_n_tjust a guess, but probably correct.
07:57:16yzflcyqSaid was...copyright reasons?
07:57:39yzflcyqAh,nice guess
07:58:21S_a_i_n_tWe do try not to piss off large corporations that could make life hell
07:58:48yzflcyqThen can I reupload a same theme with a different name?
07:59:17yzflcyqI see.
07:59:20JdGordonmore likely the images were problematic
07:59:28S_a_i_n_twell, I guess so...unless it contains copyright/trademark content that is.
08:00:01yzflcyqI used to think that I use other people's pictures.
08:01:45yzflcyqMaybe you can't understand my speaking.It doesn't matter.I'm a Chinese middle student.
08:01:46amiconnUnhelpful_: We don't boost/unboost due to what is running atm (that would boost/unboost way too often), but based on the pcm buffer level
08:02:07topikyzflcyq: don't worry, there's no way to answer "?" as it is not a question
08:02:37CIA-5New commit by jdgordon (r24358): fix red
08:02:48CIA-5New commit by jdgordon (r24359): fix red
08:02:56JdGordonworking in two branches sucks!
08:03:13topikyzflcyq: but you can only use images you have drawn yourself in themes. not take bits from other people's software (like WMP11) without permission
08:04:04yzflcyqIn China we often use '?' to instead 'why' or 'pardon'.
08:05:23yzflcyqJust 1~3 pictures,not many.
08:05:33Unhelpful_amiconn: ah... anyway ape normal now appears to play on e200. i also added an ape-specialized version of the armv5e/v6 n-r divider, although i note it has a minor bug (in a code path that should pretty much never be touched)
08:05:40rasheryzflcyq: "?" can also (in English shorthand usage) be used to mean "I don't understand"
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08:06:15topikit can also mean someone is too lazy to type a real question but expects someone else to not be equally lazy and answer
08:07:01amiconnUnhelpful_: The core split won't be perfect, as the only possibility is to split by stages.
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08:08:14Unhelpful_amiconn: i understand that, but i'm curious as to how close it will end up being, in terms of work balance between cores. with luck ape high might end up fast enough... or it might not. :/
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08:09:20Unhelpful_are there further buffers used by modes above high that could be removed from iram? or does only -c5000 need extra filter buffers beyond -c3000?
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08:09:48amiconnFiltering for -c3000 needs 77.5MHz on PP5002 and PP5022, so if it works at all, it will be really tight
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08:11:02Unhelpful_the benefit of extending the reciprocal table diminishes quite a bit as it gets larger, but surely it's better to increase that at the expense of a buffer for a mode that is nowhere near RT :/
08:11:38GodEateryzflcyq: do I understand you saying "Just 1~3 pictures, not many" to mean you HAVE taken pictures from windows and used them in this theme?
08:11:58GodEaterbecause we really don't care how many you've copied. If you've copied them, we cannot host your theme.
08:12:25amiconn-c1000 does no filtering at all, -c2000 and -c3000 do one level of filtering (with different order filters), -c4000 does two levels of filtering, and -c5000 does three
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08:13:43amiconnSince on PP -c4000 probably won't become realtime, you could move one more buffer away from iram, but imo it's not worth it
08:14:28amiconnIt's the smallest one (as opposed to the insane buffer being the largest), and it would mean more ifdefing in the filter init
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08:15:10amiconnHmm, actually no more ifdefing is necessary...
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08:16:11amiconnIt would use the medium sized buffer for the -c1000 filter (instead of the small one), but nothing speaks against doing that on other targets either
08:17:15amiconnIf you invent more buffers, you could get back some more iram. The question is still whether it's worth it
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08:20:58Unhelpful_that's a good question... PP5002 has a *very* small recip table due to code in iram, so it might see a decent benefit. other PP targets cover 50-62% of divisors with their tables, same for S5L870X, and as3525 non-lowmem has 68.5%
08:21:45Unhelpful_the PP5002's table *still* covers at least 47% of divisors
08:22:59amiconnThing is, there are 3 buffers in the decoder. One for filters up to 32th order (small), one for up to 256th order (medium), and one for 1280th order (insane)
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08:23:59amiconn-c2000 does 16th order filtering, -c3000 does 64th order. -c4000 does 256th order then 32th order, and -c5000 does 1280th order, 256th order and 16th order
08:24:34amiconnSo in order to have the filter buffers for -c2000 and -c3000 in iram, a buffer accomodating up to 64th order would be sufficient
08:27:10amiconnI.e. you could save 4864 bytes of iram by moving the small buffer out of iram, and using the medium buffer for -c2000. That change would be relatively easy
08:28:14amiconnAn extra buffer for up to 64th order and moving the others out of iram would save further 4608 bytes
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08:30:14amiconnThis applies to armv4 - on armv5+ and coldfire the savings would be half of that
08:30:22Unhelpful_i tried googling about ways to do range decoding without division. if anybody knows of one, i didn't find it.
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08:31:32Unhelpful_right, but armv5+ and coldfire targets outperforming PP.
08:32:04Unhelpful_are already. :)
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08:37:59funmanFlynDice: hi, if you want to check your code before running on Clip+ just ping me
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08:40:44FlynDicefunman: I got about a week before it shows up, thought maybe I could spend some time now figuring out what needs to be done before it's actually here. I will most definitely be looking for some hand-holding....
08:41:35*amiconn doesn't understand why arm doesn't offer hardware division support
08:42:56amiconnEven the most risc'ish of our target architectures, the SH1, offers a division support instruction that allows to do a 16 bit division in 17 cycles, and a 32 bit division in 65 cycles
08:43:31amiconnAnd it supports both signed and unsigned (two different inits)
08:46:35funmanFlynDice: something like should be safe
08:47:21funmanyou'll probably want to try unmodified mkamsboot first to see if not touching GPIO registers can boot your Clip+ like JdGordon's one (R.I.P, clip+)
08:47:58FlynDicefunman: Great, I'll take a look shortly, You got some time for sd-as3525v2 talk?
08:48:38amiconnUnhelpful: Hmm, if we could accept a bit of iram waste on faster targets, we could just enlarge the small buffer to accomodate up to 64th order. Then we'd save the maximum stated above on PP
08:48:41funmanabout your message on the forum: if you need to make room in the debug menu you can remove stuff which works
08:49:18amiconnThe cost would be 384 bytes wasted iram on coldfire and armv5+
08:49:42FlynDicefunman: Yes, I figured I'd ask first to be polite... ;-)
08:50:07Unhelpfulwhy would it waste space on those targets? also, what else would they do with the iram anyway?... although perhaps a table would speed things up there as well?
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08:51:02amiconnThe buffers as they are now are designed so that -c5000 utilizes them fully
08:51:06FlynDicefunman: Is the v2 actually using the Mem Stick interface? It appears you've got that clocked at 24 MHz which sure sounds like an mciclk freq.
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08:51:39amiconnIf you enlarge the small buffer, 32*3*2 entries (16 bit on coldfire and armv5+) are going to be unused
08:52:14funmanFlynDice: you refer to CGU_MEMSTICK ?
08:53:15FlynDicealso I was interested in all the MCI_COMMAND = 0x80202000; MCI_ARGUMENT = 0; sequences which do not seem to be an attempt to send an sd command. Yes, the memstick clock.
08:54:51Unhelpfuland pp would get about 2300 more entries for the reciprocal table
08:54:53funmangrep MS_FREQ shows 120MHz, it's as mysterious to me than the PL180 needing CGU_IDE
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08:55:20amiconnActually that's not entirely correct - c5000 "wastes" 16*3*2 entries already, because the small buffer is sized for 32th order
08:55:47funmanMCI_COMMAND = 80202000 comes from some function called several times when sending a command
08:55:53funmani don't remember if i tried to remove them or not
08:56:44funmanthe "max" variable which limits the number of loops clearly shows something is missing in the understanding
08:56:50amiconnAnd no, a table won't help on coldfire, as it has hardware division instructions
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08:57:17amiconndivu.l needs 35 cycles (for register/register division)
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08:57:39funmanFlynDice: the 3 bits set in 0x80202000 might be something of value, remember the SD command takes only the last 6 bits of the register
08:57:52Unhelpfulamiconn: yes, but might a divide via table still be a good deal cheaper?
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08:58:52Unhelpfulamiconn: the arm system developer's guide suggests that arm9e and up don't really need one because you could do about as well with newton-raphson. the divmod_bench plugin takes about 36c on average for unsigned division, and 40c on average for signed, so that claim might not be completely crazy
08:59:48FlynDicefunman: yes I did notice that but was puzzled by the sequence repeating multiple times.
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09:00:10funmaneach time another register is touched though
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09:00:30funmani guess it could be moved to a static inline
09:01:06funmanFlynDice: hm i forgot that part: we actually set more than just the command bits in MCI_COMMAND
09:01:06amiconnHow fast is that table lookup thing on ARM7TDMI?
09:01:40FlynDiceAre you pretty confident of the labels you have given the identified registers?
09:02:15Unhelpfulamiconn: if my counts are right, a table hit makes the division 22 or 24 cycles, including return - depends on whether the initial result is exact or needs to be adjusted
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09:02:40FlynDiceie that they correspond to what we expect them to do from pl180?
09:02:46funmanFlynDice: yes, but you're welcome to attack the names to make sure they are really descriptive
09:03:08funmanARGUMENT/COMMAND/RESP* are definitely what they say they are
09:03:25funmanI named STATUS/CLEAR/MASK according to their interaction in the isr
09:03:52Unhelpfulthat's assuming the longest possible delay for the umull, and 1+2c for the mul (since the largest divisors that will hit the table have 2 significant bytes)
09:04:38Unhelpfuldivisors of 1 or 2 should take 9c
09:05:20Unhelpfuli could make table hits 23c instead of 22/24, but the initial result should be correct more often than not
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09:08:08Unhelpfuli tried a few different ideas for guaranteeing a correct initial result, but *at best* these take 23c and would halve the table size (due to needing to load a shift value, and storing it as a word after the reciprocal so that ldm may be used to load both)
09:10:47Unhelpfulensuring a correct result requires 1) a flag indicating whether to add the dividend to the high word of the reciprocal*dividend product 2) a shift value, as the reciprocal size needed to guarantee a correct result varies. it quickly ends up being just as slow as a multiply and subtract to check the remainder.
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09:14:33AlexPS_a_i_n_t: The reason that theme was removed was the use of copyrighted images, not the name
09:14:45AlexPS_a_i_n_t: He can't resubmit it with another name
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09:15:52FlynDicefunman: I went through the file a few nights ago to try to see what was there and tried to sync it up with the v1 sd driver. Mainly the init_card and snd_cmd functions. I also made some UNKNOWN_REG_XX macros so my compromised mental facilities could follow the code better ;)
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09:19:50FlynDicefunman: if you're interested. When I tried to build it gave me an error for .icode which I don't think was from my changes.
09:20:05Unhelpfulthe optimization i added to the N-R divider turns out to work *fairly* well generally, unless there are lots of huge dividends... so APE might not need its own divider on ARMv5e+ after all, once i get the libgcc-replacement version of that divisor ready
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09:20:46funmanFlynDice: you could make UNKNOWN_REG(x) instead of UNKNOWN_REG_X
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09:22:07FlynDiceYes, but I just did it quick so I could get a better idea for what was going on
09:24:08funmanFlynDice: builds just fine, did you choose bootloader target ?
09:25:25FlynDicefunman: No, I just attempted a build to see if it would compile ok since I have no target yet...
09:26:43funmani didn't test normal build already, only bootloader
09:29:08FlynDiceah, that would explain it
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09:33:29FlynDiceTime for sleep now, back in the morning.
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09:59:00Unhelpfulamiconn: so if i want to muck about with resizing or moving filter buffers, i would only need to change their declarations, and the code inside init_frame_decoder that initializes them?
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10:04:40CIA-5New commit by unhelpful (r24360): Small fix for ARMv5e/v6 APE divider, correct large-divisor path and remove specialized version of it for small dividend, as the test and branch can't ...
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10:12:14Unhelpfulamiconn: also it seems to me that while there's an overall loss of space for replacing filterbuf32 with filterbuf64, it's still saving iram space on targets that can't really decode -c4000 anyway - again, not that that currently does any *good* to armv5+ or cf targets. :/
10:17:01linuxstbS_a_i_n_t: Regarding your ipodpatcher question, that's changed now. You just do "make BOOTOBJS=1" to build with embedded bootloaders.
10:20:34CIA-5New commit by dave (r24361): Update the comments describing how to build ipodpatcher - no functional changes.
10:27:18S_a_i_n_tlinuxstb: thanks...I have to have the bootloaders in the ipodpatcher .dir still though, correct?
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10:28:10S_a_i_n_tdo I need *all* of them to be in there?
10:28:21S_a_i_n_t*all ipod bootloaders
10:28:42S_a_i_n_tor can I pick 'n' choose/
10:31:07linuxstbYou need all of them.
10:31:26linuxstbBut you don't need to build them - they're on the download server in
10:34:38*linuxstb realises he committed too much :(
10:37:07CIA-5New commit by dave (r24362): Revert most of r24361 - it was committed in error.
10:38:04S_a_i_n_tlinuxstb: looked at that, they're from Oct '09 has there not been any changes since then? The OSOS install method I want to use (for my 1st gen nano, but not my 2nd) says it has to be a dev build of the bootloader. I guess I could just replace the bootloaders I actually use with dev bootloaders, yes?
10:39:20linuxstbS_a_i_n_t: Yes - you can just replace what you want to use.
10:39:38S_a_i_n_tthanks man.
10:40:17*S_a_i_n_t adds "make BOOTOBJS=1" to his aliases before he forgets it...
10:41:28linuxstbOr just add the line "BOOTOBJS=1" to the top of the Makefile in your local copy.
10:42:52S_a_i_n_tOhhh...that's easier. thanks.
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11:05:23Unhelpfulhm, the extra table entries (it can go to 16384 with c4000 buffers out of iram) save about 1MHz on the e200.
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11:41:26S_a_i_n_twhat is the advantage gained (if any) from installing an encrypted bootloader to the nano 2g?
11:41:44gevaertsthat it boots?
11:42:24S_a_i_n_tbah...duh Hayden...brainfart.
11:42:41*S_a_i_n_t is having one of those moments again.
11:44:46linuxstbgevaerts: ;)
11:44:52S_a_i_n_tthe fact that ipodpatcher spits an unencrypted bootloader gave me the impression there wa an alternative, but I've forgotten twice in one day that it's not possibly for anything other than the crypto to encrypt the bootloader.
11:45:24S_a_i_n_tand my typing REALLY sucks today...I should just kill myself lol
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11:53:27Unhelpfulif somebody wouldn't mind running test_codec on the ape_normal and ape_high samples with and without this patch (, i'm interested in seeing how much improvement it provides, especially on pp5002 and pp5020 targets. nano2g is also effected, but has quite good speeds on ape already. the biggest improvement ought to be on pp5002, as it's getting the best proportional increase in table size.
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12:01:31S_a_i_n_twhat the!?! this 2nd gen bootloader shannanigans is really confusing me...when I try to open the bootloader with crypt_firmware I get "File Too Big" "Plugin Returned Error" simple 'selecting' the bootloader from 'Files' gives me "Undefined instrustion at E59F313C"
12:01:38S_a_i_n_twhat am I doing wrong?
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12:03:14linuxstbS_a_i_n_t: What bootloader file are you trying to encrypt (i.e. what's the filename)? And how big is it?
12:03:47linuxstbThe latest release bootloader is about 53KB
12:05:56linuxstbS_a_i_n_t: Thanks for the DCC, but I didn't really want a copy...
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12:08:38*linuxstb sees an obvious bug in crypt_firmware and wonders how it ever worked...
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12:09:13pippijnI have those kinds of bugs in the software I'm working on all the time :|
12:09:13S_a_i_n_tw00t! I mean, that sucks...but *I'm* not fucking it up?
12:11:29linuxstbS_a_i_n_t: No, I don't think so. Give me a few minutes to test-compile my fix, then I'll commit it.
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12:12:23S_a_i_n_tthanks man, I was beginning to think everything nano2g related hated me
12:12:42S_a_i_n_tit's the bain of my existence when compared to the nano 1g
12:17:03CIA-5New commit by dave (r24363): Bugfix - buf_size was being used before being initialised.
12:17:57S_a_i_n_tthanks, I'll recompile and let you know.
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12:53:06AsaelReiterIs the file sd-as3525v2.c used for something else than clipv2?
12:54:25funmanAsaelReiter: no, although in a distant future it could be used for fuzev2 and clip+
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12:56:58AsaelReiterfunman: thanks. I think that some lines in this file are completely needless (and make some errors). can you check?
12:59:05AsaelReiter(the functions sd_sleep, sd_spin, sd_spindown are defined twice in the same way)
13:00:44funmanAsaelReiter: afaik those functions are needed because used by targets with hard disk
13:01:17kugelaren't those stubbed in sd.c?
13:01:38funmanhm right
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13:03:26funmanI guess building it would have shown that they were defined twice
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13:03:58AsaelReiteryes. that why I asked
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13:04:19CIA-5New commit by funman (r24364): sd as3535v2 : remove functions already present in sd.c
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13:06:43AsaelReiterfunman: thanks.
13:07:19funmanAsaelReiter: this file might not be very clean, but i guess first step is to have it working :)
13:07:43AsaelReiternext error: sd_enabled is static in sd-as3525v2.c, but debug-as3525.c try to use it
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13:09:07funmanAsaelReiter: that's ok, debug-as3525.c has not been modified yet for v2
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13:09:38funmannormal (not bootloader) build might not even build as FlynDice suggested, we'll look at that when the bootloader will be able to 'bootload' something
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13:25:46S_a_i_n_tlinuxstb: I don't think you had any doubt, but you fixed it ('it" being crypt_firmware), thanks're a lifesaver.
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14:14:49TheSevenS_a_i_n_t: 56K smells like you dumped iloader or a rockbox bootloader, not the OFW
14:15:46TheSevenyou can dump the (encrypted) firmware using ipodpatcher, I think... it's the "osbk" image. That needs to be dumped to an ipodx file, which must then be decrypted within ibugger or rockbox (crypt_firmware plugin)
14:20:41*TheSeven realizes most of this was said before...
14:20:59TheSevenactually, I never actually used the rockbox nano2g tools, besides some testing
14:21:12TheSevenI'm still mostly using the iBugger way, because I just know that better
14:21:28S_a_i_n_twow, that was good timing...I just got back
14:21:38linuxstbTheSeven: I don't think ipodpatcher will read the osbk image. But you can definitely dump it if you remove the Rockbox bootloader, so "OSOS" contains the OF.
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14:23:28S_a_i_n_tgrrrrr...*panic* dircache after 'safely remove hardware' with dircache enabled (nano 2g) causes very low battery symbol followed by 'restore using itunes'
14:23:30TheSeven...or just download a firmware image from phobos and extract osos from there? can ipodpatcher do that?
14:23:31linuxstbTheSeven: And I can't remember if crypt_firmware works correctly with an encrypted OF - I have a feeling it doesn't...
14:23:37S_a_i_n_tcan reproduce consistently
14:23:56linuxstbTheSeven: No, ipodpatcher can't work on firmware images...
14:24:09TheSevenhuh, if it can decrypt a bootloader, why should it be unable to decrypt an OF?
14:24:33TheSevenS_a_i_n_t: you just killed your FTL
14:24:34linuxstbThe signature checking fails. You could of course simply disable that...
14:24:55TheSeven*panic* dircache stkov?
14:25:08TheSevener, why should that sigcheck fail?
14:25:17S_a_i_n_twhy's it doing that? I notice if I don't 'safely remove hardware' it's fine
14:25:29linuxstbTheSeven: Because my code is broken?
14:25:45TheSevenlinuxstb: I still don't see any difference between an OF and a bootloader
14:25:49S_a_i_n_tTheSeven: yes, *panic* dircache stkov
14:25:55TheSevenactually the bootloader is some kind of miniature OF replacement
14:26:00S_a_i_n_tvery low bat symbol
14:26:01TheSevenis it the size?
14:26:07S_a_i_n_tthen restore using itunes
14:26:37TheSevenS_a_i_n_t: well, you somehow triggered dircache to do something that it couldn't do with the given stack size, so it overflowed its stack and thus crashed rockbox
14:26:57linuxstbTheSeven: I think it's related to the fact that the bootloader header is full of zeros. But I didn't really look at it for long. I just know it's something that needs fixing...
14:27:11S_a_i_n_tso why does 'safely remove hardware' make a difference?
14:27:22TheSeventhe FTL was not unmounted cleanly, possibly it even crashed during a write operation, thereby placing the FTL in a state that norboot can't recover, so norboot just wiped the whole thing
14:27:58TheSeven"safely remove hardware" will probably trigger a sync() or something
14:28:38S_a_i_n_tI can reproduce it VERY consistently, dircache on, safely remove hardware....bam...and f'd ipod
14:28:47TheSeventhere are 2 ways to mitigate this: increase your dircache stacksize (i just gave it another 0x1000 in my builds), or disable dircache
14:29:07S_a_i_n_tI like dircache do I do the other one?
14:31:58*TheSeven searches for the dircache file... he doesn't have his checkout around...
14:33:39TheSevendang, there must be a dircache.c somewhere. I just can't find it
14:33:55S_a_i_n_tsorry to bug you guys, but restoring the nano2g every other day is getting somewhat tiresome.
14:34:04funmanTheSeven: firmware/common
14:34:13gevaertsS_a_i_n_t: it's actually a way to get you to fix it!
14:34:14S_a_i_n_tI forget that dircache gets enabled by default, disconnect and....bam
14:34:27linuxstbdircache is enabled by default?
14:34:35TheSevenit doesn't get enabled by default for me
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14:35:27TheSevenreplace the " + 0x900" by " + 0x1900"
14:35:38S_a_i_n_tmust be an orphaned gf usually has it so I don't play with it that often.
14:35:45linuxstbS_a_i_n_t: The default for dircache is off - see apps/settings_list.c
14:35:49TheSevenless would probably be sufficient, but that value is known to work
14:37:42S_a_i_n_tI'd say that reverting my checkout would probably be a good idea too...god knows what else I've messed with actually, I could of set dircache to default myself, I actually seem to remember doing so now come to think of it.
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14:40:15TheSevenS_a_i_n_t: svn diff
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14:41:23S_a_i_n_tyeah...I just checked that...I don't gots no I'm all good there. Must be a config I keep failing to change.
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14:48:46carnilhi folks! I do appreciate you work on rockbox very much. I have a question regarding database customization in the tagnavi_custom.config file on the Ipod 5.5G: I want to add the "year" tag in the album list view but all I get instead of the correct year is "00-2" for every album. What do I do wrong?
14:49:47Tornepastebin your config
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14:56:39Tornehm, that looks reasonable
14:57:01Tornedoes the right year show up in the track properties?
14:57:42pixelmaI remember trying something like this too (show the albums chronologically but still in one list, no year subfolders) and got the same results. I think there is a thread (or even more than one) in the forums with the same questions and one or the other might give an answer
14:57:59Torneah, no, wait.
14:58:04TorneThere is indeed a thread for this in the forums
14:58:08Tornelinked from the tagnavi config
14:58:24Torneyou can't have custom tags in the hierarchy
14:58:29Torneonly in the final track titles.
14:59:18carniloh ok thanks. i overlooked this : )
14:59:45Tornethe way the db works at the moment doesn't allow for it, i'm afraid
15:01:14carnilthats too bad .. is there any other way to sort the lists in the database?
15:01:53TorneWell, hm
15:02:01TorneYou could probably include year in the hierarchy
15:02:13Torneas long as your tracks are tagged consistently such that each track in an album definately hsa the same year
15:02:22Tornebut then you'd have to go through one more level to get to any actual albums
15:03:07carnilthats the problem. i wanted to go around this.
15:03:16carnilanyway thanks for you help. bye
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15:04:44*linuxstb just puts the year in the name of the directory containing the album...
15:05:36Tornewell yes, that's the other optoin
15:05:42Tornename the directories that way, and don't use th database :)
15:05:44pixelmacarnil: do you use the comment tag (for something else)? If not you could misuse it by putting a "year album" string there
15:06:32linuxstbTorne: Don't some tagging formats specify "YEAR", and others "DATE", so you're never going to be consistent?
15:06:47rasherlinuxstb: surely those sort the same
15:06:51Tornelinuxstb: it varies, yes, but doesn't hte db deal with it?
15:07:10Tornei thought the db's year entry was the year, regardless of whether the file had the year or the full date
15:07:16linuxstbTorne: Possibly, but I doubt it will handle me writing "January 2010" in the date tag...
15:07:18Tornei don't really use that stuff very much though
15:07:28TorneNo, but the ID3v2 date tag at least has a standard format
15:07:49rasherlinuxstb: that's your punishment for not following ISO8601
15:07:50Tornewell, YYYY[-MM[-DD]] actually
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15:08:39rasherJust asking for a friend
15:08:45carnilpixelma: no i dont use the comment tag. thats a good idea
15:08:48linuxstbBut anyway, I think Rockbox really needs someone to give the database some love...
15:09:04Tornealas nobody seems to be bothred that much
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16:04:14evilnick_BOnce 3.5 gets released, will the targets that have changed status lose their New Ports threads?
16:05:09gevaertsevilnick_B: these particular New Port threads cheat by also being about targets that don't change status
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16:22:38S_a_i_n_twhere do I find the menu setting relevant to the config seting "Semitone pitch change"?
16:23:04S_a_i_n_tI can't seem to find it in the menu
16:23:25pixelmaprobably in the pitch screen
16:23:49pixelmaalthough - I thought it shouldn't be a config setting (?)
16:25:23S_a_i_n_tneither did I
16:26:15S_a_i_n_tpitch screen has pitch up/down or semitone up/down...but I don't see that changing a config setting
16:26:41S_a_i_n_tthere's no .cfg setting for pitch up/down
16:27:02gevaertsthis is true
16:27:11S_a_i_n_tweird...I was just trying to work out what it was...i hadn't noticed it in the config before
16:28:50pixelmahave you ever applied a patch regarding persistent pitch settings or so?
16:29:09S_a_i_n_tno, it's a new/clean build
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16:31:50pixelmadoesn't matter what runs currently - if it was put there by a different build and SVN doesn't have it, it can't "delete" such a line in the cfg
16:32:00gevaertspixelma: it's from svn
16:32:45S_a_i_n_tpixelma: not sure what you're trying to say there
16:32:46gevaertsit apparently stores whether you're in semitone or normal pitchscreen mode, so you get the same mode the next time you use the pitchscreen
16:32:55S_a_i_n_tit's a brand new checkout
16:33:16S_a_i_n_tthanks gevaerts, that's what I needed to know
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16:51:43johneI'm a proud nano 2g owner and I'v heard of a patch to solve a NAND write issue
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16:52:04johnecan anyone post me a patched version of latest release (svn) for my nano 2g?
16:52:47johnethe link for the patch is
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16:56:35u42pi am really tempted to put rockbox on my new cowon d2
16:57:31u42pbut i am scared
16:58:56gevaertsWhatever you do with a d2, it can always be recovered
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17:03:05linuxstbjohne: People here will generally not give you patched builds. But we're happy to help you build Rockbox yourself.
17:05:05u42pblimey, Doom? that would totally kill my productivity =)
17:05:31johneok, I'm pleased. Thank you, ...the problem is that i'm not used to code and compile.. :-(
17:05:54S_a_i_n_tit's not as hard as it seems
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17:06:39u42pi am going to try it using this guide, does it look ok that way?
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17:07:06S_a_i_n_tjohne: start by setting up a build client
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17:07:18gevaertsS_a_i_n_t: huh?
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17:07:39evilnick_BS_a_i_n_t: s/client/environment/
17:07:55S_a_i_n_tthat's the one.
17:08:19S_a_i_n_ti knew that seemed wrong omehow
17:08:19johneuggg... I'm using windows xp
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17:08:49S_a_i_n_tthat doesn't change anything
17:09:08johnewhere are the nano 2g sources, got direct link?
17:10:24S_a_i_n_tset up the build environment first
17:10:45S_a_i_n_tyour choice of either cygwin or VMware
17:10:50johneuf...ok ok...let's try it
17:11:30Strife89VMWare is probably the easier of the two to set up.
17:12:40S_a_i_n_tStrife89: really?
17:12:42u42pwoah awesome that was easy
17:12:52Strife89S_a_i_n_t: In my opinion.
17:13:02*S_a_i_n_t preferred cygwin...but that's mine
17:13:13S_a_i_n_tthere seems to be some debate about the two
17:13:20Strife89I've set up both.
17:13:35Strife89cygwin felt like more hassle IMO.
17:14:04Strife89Yes, you have to boot a VM, but still.
17:14:15Strife89You CAN save the state.
17:14:19*linuxstb doubts this discussion is helping johne...
17:14:33johneuf...hehe...not much help
17:14:43S_a_i_n_tjohne: may come in handy
17:15:02johnethe rockbox developer kit link is broken
17:15:24johneis broken... do I need it?
17:15:54S_a_i_n_tI've never even seen that I guess not?
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17:16:23linuxstbjohne: Where did you see that link? That is very old.
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17:16:43u42pcan i put in the SD card while the player is on and running?
17:17:00Strife89johne: Basically your options amount to this: , or this:
17:17:49johnei saw this link in 'simple guide to compiling' (in rbwiki)
17:18:19johneany of you can apply this patch in a short time?
17:18:49johneI'd like to learn, sure...but... I think it's a bit difficult
17:19:29S_a_i_n_tit really isn't
17:19:48linuxstbjohne: What's the address of that page?
17:20:01Strife89johne: You mean this?
17:20:01S_a_i_n_tand asking people to do it for you, you'll learn nothing.
17:20:16*S_a_i_n_t couldn't find it on there
17:20:47johneyes Strife89
17:20:50Strife89johne: It's pretty easy to get overwhelmed, but try to look past that. Compiling is easy. :)
17:21:30linuxstbjohne: Are you sure that's the address of the page you're looking at? You're not looking at an old copy of that page on a different website?
17:22:16u42pthere is "only" MPEGplayer , no xvid or h264 support, correct?
17:22:39linuxstb"MPEG" in that mpegplayer means mpeg-1 and mpeg-2
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17:23:49linuxstbu42p: Maybe one day, if someone cares enough to volunteer to implement it....
17:24:22u42pi guess it would eat more cpu/battery
17:25:15Torneon most of our targets it would be unusably slow unless you made the files very low resolution, really
17:26:01gevaertsu42p: you can always boot to the original firmware for other formats
17:27:11u42pyeah :)
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17:30:28u42p they do not really stabilize for me. depending on the scene they vary
17:30:47u42por does it just take a bit longer?
17:31:12johnecygwin is sssslow to download packages men
17:32:19linuxstbu42p: How long are you waiting? They should settle after a minute or two (if I remember correctly)
17:35:30u42phm, cowon d2 (320x240): 4:3 = 31-33fps, 16:9 = ~42-47fps (waited more than 2 minutes for both)
17:36:10linuxstbu42p: That's fine then. Video will be a maximum of 30fps, so your device can play full-screen video at the full PAL or NTSC frame rate.
17:36:35u42pplayback is much better with rockbox than the original firmware
17:39:29u42phm, if i put in my SDHC card and boot rockbox it says "ATA" "mount" "File not found"
17:39:36u42pwait, i should buy food
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18:00:38S_a_i_n_tIf I'm running ipodpatcher manually...what command should I be using to install the boatloader to a nano2g?
18:01:18S_a_i_n_tipodpatcher -a and ipodpatcher -wf both freeze it on the "Apple" screen.
18:03:07linuxstbI think you can use either. "-a" will keep a copy of the OF as "osbk", "-wf" will overwrite it. My guess is that your bootloader is crashing somehow - what changed did you make to it?
18:03:26S_a_i_n_tI didn't
18:03:48S_a_i_n_tthe very same one I sent you, used crypt_firmware on the DAP
18:05:02S_a_i_n_tI made a change to dircache.c earlier, besides that...all is standard build spat from cygwin a few hours ago
18:07:24S_a_i_n_tI noticed after I used -wf, when I tried −−delete-bootloader it said it couldn't find one...but it installed it fine, so I guess -wf isn't the way to go.
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18:11:38*S_a_i_n_t shrugs...
18:11:41linuxstbS_a_i_n_t: Yes, if you haven't used "-a", then ipodpatcher won't think there's a bootloader installed.
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18:11:58linuxstbIf I was you I would restore the firmware partition, then try again with "-a".
18:12:09S_a_i_n_tAhhhh, well that'll explain that then.
18:12:22S_a_i_n_tbut not why it hangs on the apple screen.
18:12:43S_a_i_n_tI'm gonna try just downloading ipodpatcher and see if it still hangs
18:12:53S_a_i_n_tI doubt it will, but I have to check
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18:14:29linuxstbS_a_i_n_t: It's also possible that the current SVN bootloader is broken... I think TheSeven made various NAND-related changes after the bootloader was released.
18:14:40u42pis there an html viewer?
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18:14:49linuxstbu42p: No. Just a text viewer.
18:14:55u42pdamn =(
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18:15:06_zicwould be nice though
18:15:24_zicto have an html viewer
18:15:42S_a_i_n_twell, I guess if the rbdownload version'll confirm that theory
18:15:58S_a_i_n_tI'm fairly confident I haven't fucked anything up
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18:16:35S_a_i_n_tIf I have, I've done it like 6 times in a row...wich would be unusual even for me
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18:26:52S_a_i_n_tlinuxstb: rbdownload ipodpatcher's bootloader works like a I'm guessing the svn bootloader is indeed broken (but I'm *NOT* a dev or coder at heart and I'll state that now, but it does seem to be the case), by the way the dircache *Panic* fix works like a charm too, I'm *super* happy about that.
18:27:01S_a_i_n_tThanks for your help.
18:27:36S_a_i_n_tIs there anything I can do to figure out if the svn nano2g bootloader is *definately* broken?
18:28:29CIA-5New commit by bertrik (r24365): libpcm: add missing #include and set svn:keywords
18:28:48linuxstbS_a_i_n_t: Perhaps try with older SVN versions, and see if they work. Then bisect revisions to find out which commit broke it.
18:29:36S_a_i_n_tlinuxstb: how many revisions should I jump back by at a time?
18:29:48S_a_i_n_t1 seems rather tedious
18:29:49linuxstbThe bootloader release for the Nano2G was based on 23143 - so you could start with that.
18:30:00S_a_i_n_tah, thanks.
18:30:08linuxstbThat would at least tell you if your build environment etc is working.
18:31:15S_a_i_n_tshit...that's ~1200 revisions...
18:31:26S_a_i_n_tmy build environment is sweet
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18:31:39S_a_i_n_tbuilds for my other targets fine.
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18:32:02Strife89DS_Lunchlinuxstb: Have you been using you iPod Color recently?
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18:32:11linuxstbStrife89DS_Lunch: No.
18:32:16S_a_i_n_tI started with a fresh checkout about 12 hours I think I'm all good there
18:32:30Strife89DS_Lunchlinuxstb: Nevermind, then.
18:32:56linuxstbS_a_i_n_t: Do you understand what I mean by "bisect revisions" ?
18:33:12S_a_i_n_tperhaps not...
18:33:49linuxstbIf there are 1200 revisions, then you try revision #600. If that works, you try #900 (half way between 600 and 1200), if it doesn't work, you try #300 (half way between 0 and 600)
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18:34:28linuxstbAnd so on. So you reduce it from 1200 to 600 to 300 to 150 to 75 to 38 to 19 to 10 to 5 to 2 to 1 (sort of...)
18:34:32S_a_i_n_tAh....right. checking 1222 revisions seemed like a bit of a daunting task :D
18:35:44Strife89DS_Lunchbertrik: Thanks again for resyncing that patch. :)
18:36:11bertrikStrife89DS_Lunch, no problem :)
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18:38:10S_a_i_n_tlinuxstb: err, just checking...but is it "svn -r 2**** " to jump back revisions??
18:38:44linuxstbI _think_ you type "svn update -r xxxxx"
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18:58:01S_a_i_n_tWhat exactly is it that's messed up with USB HID with the nano2g? I'm of the opinion that untill whatever it is is fixed that USB HID shouldn't be on by default for that target. Or can that not be done for some reason?
19:02:15S_a_i_n_tAs it is now, someone installs rb on the nano2g and when they plug it in for the first time they think their filesystem is messed up.
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19:13:56u42pare all plugins installed by default? if not, where can i download eg the JPEG viewer?
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19:14:08u42prockbox does not list jpeg files on my cowon d2
19:15:48S_a_i_n_tu42p: set 'view filetypes' to "supported" instead of "music"
19:18:17u42poh duh, they were gif files. i am stoopid
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19:20:59JdGordon|kugel: did you backport the backdrop fix to 3.5?
19:21:46kugelto lazy to look at the log? :) yes I did
19:21:59JdGordon|no, I wasnt sure if i missed it
19:22:04JdGordon|ok cool :)
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19:44:20JdGordon|I'm going to commit FS #10922 tonight if I get a chance... so testers would be helpful
19:45:23gorghhello, i was trying to find some debug tools for sigmatel 35xx on the web, but i couldn`t really find anything usefull,does anyone know anything about such program?
19:45:24Strife89JdGordon|: I'm at work at the moment, but I'll compile and test when I get the chance.
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20:01:01gorghfunman:sigmatel sdk package informs about "boxview" debugger but i couldn`t edit any of the firmware files with it :/ there is no documentation for it neither
20:04:38FlynDicebertrik: Any chance you are familiar with "length regulation" as it pertains to the as3525 charge pump step-down converter? I can find lots-o-info on charge pumps from google but nothing on length regulation....
20:05:28bertrikI did wonder a bit about that too, I don't really know what it means
20:05:47bertrikone of the two modes can provide quite a bit more current before the current starts dropping, IIRC
20:05:55bertrik*before the voltage starts dropping
20:06:27funmanbtw I tried setting MCI_POWER to 0 in sd_enable() but it showed no battery improvement
20:07:05funmandid we look at MCI_CLOCK_POWERSAVE already?
20:07:37FlynDiceI tried that a few weeks ago and couldn't get the disk to init
20:08:20FlynDiceI didn't bang on it too hard though
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20:13:26FlynDicere: charge pump, I thought we were seeing the 3 modes as the 3 segments of the battery benches(slope changes) but when I checked LREG_CPnot with a low batt it was still showing charge pump op(mode 3)
20:14:02funmanit's not possible to see the full log for a branch on ViewVC ?
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20:16:56funmanah it is, just click on the revision shown on 2nd column
20:17:51bertrikFlynDice, I don't think you can really tell that from the battery bench
20:18:19bertrikfunman, do you remember what the OF uses for the power regulation settings?
20:18:52funmanno but i could look
20:19:02FlynDicebertrik: Well there's a bit you can check to see if CP or length reg is active
20:19:22funman < should we do the same for 3.5 ?
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20:21:20JdGordon|funman: indeed :)
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20:21:34funmanbertrik: CP_SW and CP_on of CVDD/DCDC3 ?
20:22:08gevaertsfunman: well, not *exactly* the same
20:22:22bertrikyes, and also LREG_off (bit 2 in DCDC3 registers)
20:22:28funmangevaerts: right, we can't apply it again to the 3.4 branch
20:22:31gevaertsand I'd start with "3.5RC"
20:22:36FlynDicethose are switching thresholds and a manual force cp op
20:23:29FlynDicewe set LREG_off to 1 in system.as3525.c to go into auto-switching mode
20:23:56JdGordon|na, unless someone else wants to do the rc builds, I've got 3.5RC on my local tree, 3.5 shuold be in svn
20:24:24JdGordon|does"> work?
20:24:24gevaertsI could do the RC builds, but I think it's best if only one person handles them
20:25:17gevaertsthe individual files work
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20:25:54JdGordon|ok, I'll quickly whip up a page for them, although it doesnt seem like anyone is using them
20:26:22gevaertsI'm not too unhappy about nobody trying the first one, but yes, we need testing
20:26:37gevaertsMaybe a post to General Discussion?
20:27:06funmanactually i wanted to try on my devices, but i don't think trunk has diverged from 3.5
20:28:35gevaertsJdGordon|: I usually use a .htaccess with Options +Indexes for that
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20:29:22JdGordon|lets assume for the moment I have no idea what you just said... :)
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20:29:46JdGordon|oh, its not running apache
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20:30:43funmanbertrik: OF doesn't touch CP_SW/CP_on on the Clip
20:31:00funmanLREG_off is set at init and modified in USB code
20:31:42bertrikhmm, what would USB have to do with it, interesting
20:32:32*funman will try to add that to the existing usb code for clip
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20:36:03JdGordon|would anyone like to make a simple RC build listing for me?
20:36:06funmanhm it's already there :/
20:36:59gevaertsJdGordon|: make a file called ".htaccess" in the directory, with content "Options +Indexes"
20:37:05gevaertsWith any luck, that's all you need
20:38:37JdGordon|what permissions?
20:38:53bertrikFlynDice, the graph at page 119 of the DS suggests that the charge pump can deliver 50 mA, while the length regulator can deliver 200 mA to CVDD
20:39:57bertrikthe graph at page 127 also suggests a 50 mA guaranteed current for the charge pump
20:40:28bertrikMaybe we could always set it to length regulator mode and see if that fixes the sd card problems?
20:41:08JdGordon|sweet.. looks like that worked
20:41:23FlynDiceI tried setting that last night, not for the sd card though, the voltage is much more unstable
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20:42:53bertrikFlynDice, yeah, the datasheet also suggests to switch to charge pump mode, I guess that's more efficient than length regulator mode
20:43:40FlynDiceI'm thinking that that the autoswitching is related to current draw, from the graphs on p127 it appears length reg maintains a higher voltage at higher currents
20:43:58FlynDicebut the charge pump mod is probably more efficient
20:44:49bertrikFlynDice, yes, that is exactly what I am thinking too
20:45:39funmanJdGordon|: version string is "r24355:24359M", why the weird revision ?
20:46:30JdGordon|good question... umm.. I'll sort that out tonight
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22:04:38Bjelleklanghi guys, just replaced the harddrive and battery on my iAudio X5. Installed rockbox through the utility, but when it boots it ends up with "result: -5" before shutting down
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22:04:54Bjelleklangis there any place I can find descriptions on the various error codes?
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22:06:47gevaertsthe source, but I guess that's not what you're looking for
22:06:56*gevaerts doesn't know if there is a list elsewhere
22:07:00Bjelleklangnot quite
22:07:16Bjelleklangrockbox is written in c?
22:07:25gorghsorry to bother you again, but i want to make sure about that issue. I wish to write driver for 8 bit atari music files for sigmatel 35xx based player. Are there any user friendly debug/disassemble tools for a start?
22:07:29gevaertsoh, there's a comment above the -5
22:07:30Bjelleklangcould probably dig through the source, but that would take ages :/
22:07:37Bjelleklanghm, just a sec
22:07:44gevaerts"We have timed out waiting for RDY and/or DRQ, possibly because the hard drive is shaking and has problems reading the data."
22:07:56gevaertsBjelleklang: firmware/drivers/ata.c
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22:16:50Bjelleklangappears to be a hard drive problem :/
22:18:02krazykitgorgh, what does that have to do with rockbox? rockbox doesn't currently run on any sigmatel-based devices
22:22:06Bjelleklanggot it running again, although on the old hdd :/
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22:24:16gorghok,sorry then. But maybe someone know where to get detailed information about that issue?google says nothing about that,i would be thankfull for any advice.
22:29:24pixelmaBjelleklang: which type is your new HD? And couldn't it also be that the contact wasn't quite right when you plugged the new HD?
22:29:27saratogahas anyone ever looked at hacking a sigmatell player?
22:30:21saratogaif you're the first person maybe you should think about getting a different player or else spending a very long time working on reverse engineering before you get to do any audio
22:30:41Bjelleklangpixelma: new drive was same as the old one, from Toshiba. Same capacity and model, contact was fine as far as I could tell
22:31:34Bjelleklangand the new drive shows up on both windows / linux as an empty drive after formatting to fat32... the old drive up and running now, and am copying out everything on it to see if that helps
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22:33:58gorghI guess you`re right,i`ll try that.
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22:34:58amiconngevaerts: "Result: -5" is not an ata error. It's an error while trying to load the firmware, and that happens after ata init and mounting
22:37:38amiconnHmm, and if it says -5, it means our released bootloader is ages old...
22:39:04gevaerts-5 is apparently "Bad checksum"
22:39:30gevaertsBjelleklang: ping
22:41:21amiconnYes, and it already was that before strerror() was introduced
22:42:01Bjelleklanghaven't really used the player for at least a year or so, but it booted fine on the old drive
22:42:34Bjelleklangwill try a few things once the contents of the drive has been copied
22:42:40gevaertsYou could try reformatting and installing again
22:43:20Bjelleklangafk for a little while, back later with updates :)
22:43:59*amiconn wonders whether this really was our released bootloader
22:44:24amiconnBecause it it is, that means that bootloader is compiled from 3 years old code
22:44:44amiconn(from before 22 Feb 2007 to be precise)
22:45:10amiconn*if it is
22:45:26gevaertsit's not
22:45:39gevaertsThe released bootloader has "Result: %s" in it
22:45:56gevaertsand seems to be from march 2008
22:46:21gevaertsBjelleklang: updating the bootloader might be a good idea
22:46:21amiconnThat date isn't necessarily correct
22:46:37gevaertsno, but that string helps confirming that it's at least newer
22:46:48*amiconn wonders whether we should release new bootloaders
22:47:22amiconnIriver is a problem because you need a bdm if something goes wrong
22:47:35amiconniAudio is brick safe
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22:52:56AlexPAt least the H300 bootloader is currently broken
22:53:12AlexPThe H100 v7pre4 zorks very well, but that is itself old by now
22:53:19GodEateryes, we can't release a new H300 bootloader
22:53:29AlexPNo idea on current H100
22:53:37*GodEater is still running V7pre3 on his H100
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22:54:09GodEaterwe need LinusN back before we can think of releasing a new H300 bootloader
22:54:15GodEaterbecause he's got to work out how broken it is
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23:13:07bertrikI think there's a bug in the scroll bar width setting menu: the width of the scroll bar shows the previously selected width instead of the currently selected width
23:16:00JdGordon|known bug
23:16:05JdGordon|it wont be fixed
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23:18:59JdGordon|its only annoying if you wrap the setting list
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23:19:09JdGordon|i.e go from max to min in 1 step
23:20:33JdGordon|the issue is that the lists redraw before the setting callback happens. There isnt really a clean way to fix this, unless we stop making that setting "live"
23:21:52gevaertsI assume there's a good reason for that ordering?
23:22:17JdGordon|That's The Way It Works (TM)
23:22:41gevaertsI see, fear of the unknown ;)
23:22:43JdGordon|it goes a little something like this.... (ahem (clears throat))
23:23:23JdGordon|button press, UI loop gives the button to the list, the list sees the selection changes and redraws, then the UI sends the callback with the new value
23:23:33JdGordon|it cant send the new value untill it knows what that new value is
23:23:41JdGordon|so the list has to happen before the callback
23:24:01gevaertsah, ok. Makes sense
23:24:16JdGordon|a fix is to redraw twice every change, which really is silly, or stop updating that setting live
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23:27:52amiconnCouldn't just *this* setting redraw twice, i.e. in the callback?
23:28:39Bjelleklangok, copying the contents from the old drive onto the new worked, or at least it booted
23:28:51Bjelleklangwas also able to upgrade to 3.4 through the utility
23:31:23JdGordon|amiconn: it possibly could, but that would be no less messy than any other fix
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23:42:21pixelmafractals only draws black screens on my two targets where this plugin uses greylib (Ondio and M5)
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