#rockbox 2010-01-29

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#rockbox log for 2010-01-29

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00:24:40	moos	are those .rsbs files related to remote status bar?
00:25:28	moos	@JdGordon
00:26:20	pixelma	they are, it's just not the "status bar"
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00:26:31	JdGordon\|	rsbs is the main skin for the remote
00:27:07	moos	then I supose that targets that are not concerned don't need them?
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00:28:16	moos	@JdGordon (to highlight you) :)
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00:28:59	JdGordon\|	yes, but I got lazy with the buildzip scrip so just added them always
00:29:48	moos	is this a make job?
00:30:07	moos	if that's an easy job I could try...
00:31:10	JdGordon\|	be my guest
00:31:12	moos	JdGordon: is that a makefile thing?
00:31:18	JdGordon\|	no, worse....
00:31:20	JdGordon\|	perl!
00:31:29	JdGordon\|	tools/buildzip.pl
00:31:31	moos	du hh
00:31:42	*	moos blames perl then :)
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00:32:47	moos	JdGordon: I noticed that the sbs handling seems to take time at boot (comparing to before this era)
00:33:19	JdGordon\|	this is the 3rd report of that, but I call shinanigans or placebo
00:33:54	JdGordon\|	unless the hardware setting setup code takes way too long to run, because the disk is not accessed any more than it used to be
00:34:01	moos	I even tried to disabled .sbs, and noticed that the status bar was printed at boot anyway
00:34:20	JdGordon\|	hats a different story
00:34:25	JdGordon\|	that's*
00:34:55	moos	maybe related? something fishy at start to handle status bar
00:34:57	JdGordon\|	did you set statusbar to off?
00:35:01	moos	yup
00:35:21	moos	an it was here at boot anyway until the root menu
00:35:40	JdGordon\|	gets displayed over the splash?
00:36:00	moos	to compare the boot difference, that's easy. Dircache time at boot, vs after usb
00:36:10	moos	3s lost here
00:36:21	moos	yup exactly
00:36:42	JdGordon\|	ok, I just reprod that, the statusbar default must be "top" so that makes sense
00:37:20	moos	maybe just an initialisation somwhere at boot (noob user guess here)
00:37:33	moos	+problem of course :)
00:37:36	JdGordon\|	thats not a valid comparisson. I posted a patch somewhere to time the setting loading on boot which should be done to convince me there is an issue
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00:38:21	moos	mheh :)
00:38:49	JdGordon\|	I'm also not too worried because I plan on splitting the theme settings completly out of the usual setting apply-ing code
00:39:00	JdGordon\|	which should also fix the boot splash
00:39:08	JdGordon\|	also, FS #10922 might fix that
00:39:15	*	moos is surprised that noone here noticed/reported this
00:39:48	JdGordon\|	everyone has statusbar set to top anyway
00:39:55	pixelma	why the splitting out?
00:40:11	*	moos tought to boot time here of course
00:41:14	moos	JdGordon: don't have time right now to test more (wakes up for works in 5hours, and I'm not at bed yet:\=
00:41:36	JdGordon\|	pixelma: maybe not a full split out, but being able to just apply the theme settings without every other setting would be useful
00:42:00	moos	JdGordon: I'll let you know If I find something or even better to report you that you fixed the issues when you'll done with the commits
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00:42:33	moos	JdGordon: might be a good idea indeed ...
00:42:52	JdGordon\|	yeah, ok, if there really is an issue I'll fix it :p
00:42:57	JdGordon\|	but I dont tihnk there is :D
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00:43:43	moos	hehe, /me feels offended now, Jd don't want to trust him :)
00:44:02	moos	I tried various seetings situations...no luck
00:44:48	JdGordon\|	check the tick difference between the two settings_apply() calls in main()
00:45:04	JdGordon\|	then see if anything changed from when the 2nd was added
00:45:49	moos	ohoh,ok, I will maybe try this, this week end
00:46:29	moos	but I hope that you will commits your changes before, and that will speed up the things again, like years before ;)
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00:47:55	moos	JdGordon: for the .rsbs files, maybe asking a pearl guru could help us
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00:48:09	moos	like rasher or Zagor
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00:49:08	moos	that's not a bug, but anyway plenty of files built for nothing
00:50:50	JdGordon\|	not built, just copied
00:50:55	JdGordon\|	its not a big deal
00:51:21	moos	and maybe a one line fix
00:51:50	*	moos likes when things are clean
00:51:51	moos	:)
00:52:58	moos	JdGordon: is there already a sbs gallery?
00:53:11	JdGordon\|	themes.rockbox.org
00:53:21	JdGordon\|	a .sbs is a renamed .wps
00:53:29	JdGordon\|	well, almost
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00:53:54	moos	oh, same syntax you mean?
00:54:16	*	moos didn't look at this feature yet
00:54:35	JdGordon\|	the only difference is you have to use viewports in the sbs
00:54:47	JdGordon\|	and it needs a special viewport to say where the lists go
00:54:53	JdGordon\|	otherwise its identical to wps
00:55:02	moos	ok, nice to know, merci
00:55:51	moos	I did remenber you thought a while ago to have possibly a mini album art in. Is it already the case?
00:56:22	*	moos tried to follow the svn activity those past 4months, but too hard, too much developement :)
00:57:14	JdGordon\|	yeah, one of the themes on the e200s have a smaller AA in the sbs
00:57:39	moos	sweety ! the feature is already in then :)
00:57:42	JdGordon\|	http://themes.rockbox.org/index.php?themeid=370&target=sansae200
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00:57:48	moos	thx
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00:58:20	moos	heh, cool !
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00:59:54	pixelma	I just suffered from attacks this morning (well yesterday to be accurate)
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01:00:43	moos	pixelma: aie :(. Where?
01:01:59	pixelma	they flood with CTCP version requests and when my IRC client tried to answer them all, I got booted by freenode. I have CTCP version on ignore now... by the time #videolan wasn't +R and I was joined
01:03:46	moos	there will be a freenode upgrade/migration soon, right?
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01:03:58	JdGordon\|	saturday
01:04:22	moos	oki
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01:25:41	UnhelpfulWeb	leaving my phone at home == teh suck :/
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01:37:51	flyback	you know what would be slick
01:37:55	flyback	rockbox hddiag
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01:38:25	flyback	even just a port of badblocks
01:38:35	flyback	or a smart reading util
01:38:43	flyback	so you could at least tell when the hd is starting to fail
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01:46:10	krazykit`	flyback, i believe that's a NODO
01:46:18	flyback	n0d0?
01:47:03	krazykit`	check out question 10 in docs/NODO
01:47:17	*	flyback wonders if this is a smart ass remakr or serious :P
01:47:38	flyback	yep
01:47:42	flyback	smart ass remark
01:48:03	krazykit`	flyback, http://svn.rockbox.org/viewvc.cgi/trunk/docs/NODO
01:48:05	flyback	and host pc can't read the smart info etc
01:48:13	flyback	because it can't directely acces the disk
01:48:15	flyback	so that page is a FAIL
01:49:09	flyback	they should at least add a smart table reader
01:49:51	pixelma	because some nice guy in IRC wants it?
01:49:55	flyback	I can understand the scandisk thing
01:50:09	flyback	no because it lets you have a rough idea what shape your mechanical hd is in
01:50:11	flyback	sheesh
01:50:35	flyback	it's just a freaking table
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01:50:42	flyback	don't even format it just dump to a text file
01:50:46	flyback	I can read on a host pc
01:50:57	flyback	just a ata command and ascii dump
01:51:43	flyback	don't even display it in rockbox
01:51:51	flyback	just dump the table to a text file
01:52:23	flyback	plenty of programs out there that will read raw smart log data
01:52:41	flyback	I don't mind doing all that from a pc I just can't directely talk to the disk to run the command
01:52:50	flyback	again this is just an idea :P
01:52:52	flyback	not a demand
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01:53:51	flyback	it's basically the equivalent of cat /proc/smart_table > smartinfo.txt
01:53:52	flyback	basically
01:55:29	flyback	no text formatting, no parsing, just a raw dump to a small text file on the rockbox filesystem and I can then copy that file to a pc to process
01:55:33	flyback	to check disk health once in a while
01:56:59	flyback	mabye eventually if I get my #1 health issue resolved I can eventually write the code for this :P
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02:01:45	tmzt	aren't there extensions to usb storage to support this?
02:02:19	flyback	some usb to ata controllers did support a pass thru command
02:02:29	flyback	but here you are talking about a soc
02:02:32	flyback	so there's that whole layer
02:02:46	flyback	insteresting idea though..............hmmmm :D
02:03:25	flyback	brb I am in some serious pain :/
02:03:36	tmzt	well it's not a soc, it's software, unless you're talking about iPod
02:04:05	tmzt	most of the soft codec devices that support usb do so from software drivers in the rockbox kernel
02:04:39	tmzt	what device has a non solidstate disk anyway that also has soft usb?
02:07:21	flyback	well portaplayer is a socx
02:07:25	flyback	system on a chip
02:07:46	flyback	iriver h10
02:08:19	flyback	5 gig (well will be 4gb now)
02:12:00	UnhelpfulWeb	what actually uses a hardware usb<->ata bridge? archos?
02:12:53	rasher	UnhelpfulWeb: h100 and h300 also
02:13:15	saratoga	Gigabeat F too i think
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02:15:31	UnhelpfulWeb	that still leaves quite a few HD targets which could provide direct SMART support over USB... or if the right bits of the ATA driver were exposed, a plugin could provide SMART readings?
02:15:55	Strife89\|Desktop	Dammit, what gives?
02:16:16	saratoga	assuming the controller supports it i guess
02:16:58	flyback	like I said
02:17:01	flyback	raw dump is fine
02:17:06	flyback	I CAN process it from there
02:17:06	saratoga	well get to work on it
02:17:12	flyback	plenty of apps, scripts etc :P
02:17:27	flyback	I just can't execute that command outside of rockbox :P
02:17:30	flyback	uh
02:17:37	*	flyback pumps up to dangerous levels of painkillers
02:17:38	flyback	ugh
02:17:41	flyback	brb
02:22:44	S_a_i_n_t_	what's wrong flyback...? "dangerous levels of painkillers" definitely doesn't sound too good....
02:23:11	flyback	dunno it's been going on for 3+ yrs
02:23:25	S_a_i_n_t_	where is the pain?
02:23:27	flyback	alternates between pain and feeling like something hanging out of my backside
02:23:47	flyback	not self inflicted :P
02:24:38	flyback	they thought it was something in my rectum, did a scope, found nothing I was so bummed out I kinda just gave up
02:24:49	flyback	but recentely found a lump that is between front side and backside
02:24:55	flyback	going back to the doc on the 18th
02:24:58	flyback	find out
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02:26:22	flyback	basically 10+ yrs of IBS has rotted out the system I guess
02:27:12	krazykit`	all of which was offtopic and should be in -community
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02:28:47	JdGordon	anyone still awake that has ported rockbox to a new target?
02:28:54	flyback	ok sorry :P
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02:39:04	flyback	you guys might have to implement other filesystems other than fat32
02:39:09	flyback	thx to gestaposoft :p
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03:51:33	Strife89	Did anyone communicate with PromisedPlanet about him donating a Connect? http://forums.rockbox.org/index.php?topic=22628.msg159962#msg159962
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04:16:09	tmzt	Strife89: they still at walmart somewhere?
04:16:32	tmzt	never bought one because I didn't sense hope and didn't have the money then
04:17:25	Strife89	tmzt: I haven't seen any.
04:17:26	tmzt	thinking about writing a networking stack for emulator on linux using tun device if a suitable open one can not be found
04:17:56	tmzt	I have all these networking classes that treat networking like magic
04:18:06	tmzt	and I want to learn what an skb really is
04:18:29	tmzt	simulator I mean
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06:28:12	JdGordon	:) 4 extra lines of code saves 96KB of skin buffer
06:28:37	JdGordon	assuming of course the wps doesnt specify a backdrop and a .sbs isnt loaded
06:32:56	FlynDice	add 8 lines & double your fun then ;-)
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06:56:12	andrewRB	hey, is there any way to access the rockbox svn with webDAV?
06:58:37	andrewRB	to put my question in context; I'm writing a PHP script to checkout the latest rockbox svn revision, apply user-specified/uploaded patches, build and spit out a zip download link, but obviously the first hurdle is interfacing with SVN from PHP
06:59:33	andrewRB	I've found a class which allows for a few basic operations with an SVN repository set up as, for example, this one; http://php-ajax.googlecode.com/svn/
06:59:56	andrewRB	but since rockbox uses viewVC instead, I'm just wondering if there is any way which I'm missing
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07:04:09	JdGordon	system("svn up"); works fine
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07:04:53	andrewRB	svn isn't and can't be installed - shared hosting =/
07:05:22	andrewRB	hence I'm interested in a horribly inefficient pure PHP option
07:08:46	JdGordon	sounds like you're building what I did ages ago
07:08:53	JdGordon	I dont have the code for it anymore though
07:10:28	andrewRB	oh, really? what was it? but yeah, I'm doing it primarily for friends with Cowon D2s who almost all use a patch I wrote, so it can be automatically patched/built etc for them, but finding/writing a pure PHP SVN client is looking a little daunting
07:12:19	JdGordon	it was choose your target, upload or choose some patches to apply, get an email back with the build url when its finished
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07:15:29	andrewRB	ah, yeah sounds just like what I'm hoping to create. why did you take it down?
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07:17:25	JdGordon	i got bored with it, and decided people should stop being lazy :p
07:18:16	UnhelpfulWeb	submit your patch for inclusion maybe? :)
07:18:48	andrewRB	haha, nice. i think i just decided I'm too lazy to bother doing this at all unless/until I have money for a dedicated server so I can turn <expletive> safe mode off ;)
07:19:30	andrewRB	UnhelpfulWeb: already have, it was met with some heated discussion and a resounding no, despite many D2 users chipping in and begging =P
07:20:35	UnhelpfulWeb	ahh... what does this patch do, exactly? ;)
07:21:44	andrewRB	adds to the keymap so the three tactile buttons can be used to control playback/volume when the hold slider is in place
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07:24:01	UnhelpfulWeb	i can see how "hold doesn't affect some buttons" might be controversial, especially without a setting.
07:24:12	JdGordon	cool, rombox still fits after my skin changes which are just about ready
07:25:03	andrewRB	a setting was added, but apparently that made it fall under the "configurable keymaps" category which is also a resounding no ;) it's no big deal, I'm just trying to make it more convenient for the many D2 users
07:28:19	pixelma	is it possible to detect if a button is held while you flip the hold switch?
07:31:39	andrewRB	it should be, my hardware knowledge is very limited but the value in the adc should be different
07:32:02	pixelma	thought this could be a good compromise. You would have a "special keymap mode" - no setting and people who know about it can use it while usual hold is still available
07:32:26	UnhelpfulWeb	pixelma: if the hold switch is a "regular" button i would think so - pre-condition BUTTON_X, post BUTTON_X\|BUTTON_HOLD ?
07:32:49	pixelma	enter the special mode by holding button X while sliding hold
07:33:17	UnhelpfulWeb	clear it whenever exiting hold, and in special mode volume control works in hold?
07:33:41	andrewRB	that is the best constructive suggestion I've heard regarding this, thanks pixelma. I'll look into it sometime
07:34:33	pixelma	UnhelpfulWeb: yes, as far as I know that part already works this way
07:34:49	*	UnhelpfulWeb doesn't really think of settable "some keys function during hold" as being "configurable keymaps"
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07:37:37	*	pixelma points tomers to http://www.rockbox.org/tracker/task/10935 in case he reads logs and didn't see it in the tracker
07:38:42	amiconn	UnhelpfulWeb: Quite a number of targets use a hw ata<->usb bridge: Archos Player, recorder v1/v2/fm, Iriver H1x0, H300, iAudio X5, M5, M3, Gigabeat F/X at least
07:39:09	pixelma	"Player Type" should actually be "every non-colour screen player" but that wasn't available
07:39:13	amiconn	I.e. all HDD-based SH1 targets, all coldfire targets, plus some more
07:39:49	UnhelpfulWeb	amiconn: still, supporting usb SMART access on soft usb targets might not be completely crazy
07:40:17	pixelma	neither was "Iaudio M5/M3" (something for B4gder or Zagor though)
07:40:31	amiconn	Imo the idea to read SMART data in rockbox makes sense (unlike scandisk)
07:41:28	amiconn	At least it could be dumped to file from the debug menu
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07:45:32	UnhelpfulWeb	pixelma: hold seems generally to be considered special and not a "normal" button that is mappable. this might be easier to mess with on soft-hold targets, but targets with a hardware hold switch seem to just define a button_hold() which is called before doing anything that would care if hold is on.
07:45:54	JdGordon	pixelma: that could work on every target with a software hold switch actually.... if a (special or any) key is pressed while hold is being enabled it can change modes
07:46:10	JdGordon	it will need a bit of work in the button drivers though because they respect the hold button
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07:57:03	amiconn	JdGordon: I wouldn't consider this fix messy. Wasn't there an event you could send that causes the ui to redraw?
07:57:35	JdGordon	I'm not sure if it forces the lists to redraw immediatly, only the sbs
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08:23:16	amiconn	UnhelpfulWeb: Here are my ape test results with svn (-c1000/2000/3000/4000):
08:23:25	amiconn	iPod G2 (PP5002): 163.1%/105.7%/63.4%/22.0%
08:23:35	amiconn	H10 (PP5020): 152.7%/96.7%/58.0%/20.0%
08:23:40	amiconn	Mini G2 (PP5022): 169.1%/108.0%/64.2%/22.1%
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08:32:39	andrewRB	is there anywhere i can find mktccboot binaries, by any chance?
08:38:23	JdGordon	does anyone have a theme which had the side effects mentioned in http://svn.rockbox.org/viewvc.cgi?view=rev;revision=24335 ?
08:40:14	UnhelpfulWeb	amiconn: seems like pp5002 is pretty close for c2000, it and 5022 might just get there with a few more table entries. why does 5020 perform so poorly in comparison? it's only as fast now as its relatives used to be :/
08:42:40	amiconn	Nobody knows...
08:43:04	amiconn	PP5020 is ~5% slower than its relatives in general, not just with ape
08:43:31	amiconn	Hmm, your patch is a bit faster for -c1000 and -c2000, but for -c3000 it hangs
08:47:38	UnhelpfulWeb	hangs? weird, i don't think that happened for me :)
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08:49:31	amiconn	Open with->test_codec->speed test .... hangs at 'loading'
08:49:48	amiconn	Both on iPod G2 and Mini G2 - didn't try on H10
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08:53:55	linuxstb	andrewRB: I don't think so, no. Doesn't rbutil incorporate that function?
08:55:25	andrewRB	sure, I guess I was hoping for some - presumably unofficial - pre-built binaries for a few platforms, not that that would be very likely to exist but it was worth an ask :)
08:57:05	linuxstb	andrewRB: I'm guessing you want a Windows binary?
08:58:08	andrewRB	no, i already built one of those. I'm trying to run the command from a linux webserver, and can't figure out why it isn't producing any output
08:58:21	andrewRB	I copied mktccboot from my local linux rockbox build
08:59:38	andrewRB	http://andrewbeveridge.co.uk/RB/command.php?c=mktccboot
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09:00:02	andrewRB	permissions are 777
09:00:32	linuxstb	andrewRB: This isn't really on-topic for #rockbox, but come to #rockbox-community....
09:00:39	andrewRB	good point. thanks.
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09:06:26	JdGordon	Would a full listing of what a theme consists of make sense in ThemeGuidlines? or somewhere else?
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09:09:26	JdGordon	who thought it was a good idea to build checkwps every commit :p
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09:13:11	UnhelpfulWeb	amiconn: i'll try to repro on e200... unfortunately getting you a new patch if i fix it can't be done too readily
09:13:42	CIA-5	New commit by 03jdgordon (r24367): fix reds
09:14:25	pixelma	I wonder how the colour WPSs that use viewports with " - " work on the greyscale targets. They are available too (see e.g. H100 themes) and won't be rejected by the parser. Last time I tried " - " for grey shades though the result was all white (as it is not a foreground/background "colour" setting)
09:15:09	JdGordon	where do those deltas come from? I increased the skin buffer but not nearly that much, and the delta magic sholdnt see that anyway
09:16:13	JdGordon	oh, riiiight.... thats not buffer_alloced() yet
09:19:19	JdGordon	pixelma: LCD_DEFAULT_FG and LCD_DEFAULT_BG, whatever they are defined to
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09:24:55	UnhelpfulWeb	amiconn: i see the trouble, filterbuf64 needs to be 643 rather than 323... clearly i must not have tested the high sample, or i would've had a crash or hang as well
09:25:26	CIA-5	New commit by 03jdgordon (r24368): fix the last of the red... note to self, fix backdrop.h!
09:26:17	CIA-5	New commit by 03jdgordon (r24369): bugger, too tired, didnt mean to commit this.
09:30:30	JdGordon	what do people think about this idea? http://forums.rockbox.org/index.php?topic=23619.msg161016#msg161016
09:30:45	JdGordon	should be pretty easy to code up if its not hated
09:39:10	CIA-5	New commit by 03jdgordon (r24370): really the last of the red this time
09:39:59	UnhelpfulWeb	you'll also need to adjust recip_max... i get recip_max of 3856, 8384, and 16384 for pp5002, pp5020, and pp5022/24 respectively
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12:48:13	andrewRB	could anybody assist me or point me to good documentation for setting up a windows cross-compiler please? I want the rockbox tool scramble as a win32 binary
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13:39:44	yzflcyq	Have anyone got Rockbox3.5RC for Onda VX747?
13:39:59	AlexP	The Onda VX747 isn't a release target
13:40:03	AlexP	AFAIK
13:40:18	yzflcyq	What a shame
13:40:42	andrewRB	it's pretty old anyway
13:40:51	AlexP	So are many of our other players
13:40:56	yzflcyq	Will it be added in the later version?
13:41:09	andrewRB	yeah, but they mostly weren't when porting started ;)
13:41:09	AlexP	Possibly, yes
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13:41:52	AlexP	yzflcyq: It depends on it meeting the criteria - I don't know what the VX747 is missing, but if someone does the necessary work, then it'll be included
13:42:52	yzflcyq	I'm using VX747.Rockbox on it is very unstable.Often crash.
13:42:52	AlexP	yzflcyq: The main problem with the Ondas is that there isn't really anyone working on them
13:43:00	AlexP	There you go then
13:43:09	AlexP	It isn't ready, and is thus not being released
13:43:26	AlexP	It is in the unusable catagory on the website
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13:44:06	yzflcyq	I've connected some friends that are insterested in it.
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13:44:22	yzflcyq	How could we join you?
13:44:24	AlexP	yzflcyq: That's cool, we'd love it to get further
13:44:40	AlexP	yzflcyq: Have a look at the code, fix things, submit patches
13:44:43	Torne	find something to fix, submit a patch
13:44:47	AlexP	That's all it takes :)
13:45:10	yzflcyq	Got it.
13:46:37	yzflcyq	I noticed the "WMP11" theme for vx747/777 has been removed.
13:46:46	yzflcyq	Why?
13:46:48	AlexP	yep
13:46:54	AlexP	Copyrighted images
13:46:56	Torne	i would guess it uses screengrabbed bitmaps from WMP
13:48:13	yzflcyq	So could you give me the zip file?It cannot be downloaded.
13:48:33	AlexP	No
13:48:42	AlexP	It has been removed to stop people downloading it
13:48:44	Torne	no, it is illegal to distribute copyrighted images without permission
13:48:58	yzflcyq	I'm the creater of it,and I need to edit it.
13:49:18	andrewRB	if you genuinely created it surely you should have the files
13:49:36	Torne	also that means you are the one who violated the copyright ti start with, no?
13:50:16	yzflcyq	Another question,Why the "Blackglass" hasn't been removed?
13:51:03	AlexP	It has, hasn't it?
13:51:14	AlexP	If not it shall be removed now
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13:52:29	AlexP	ah, not for the onda
13:52:38	yzflcyq	...
13:52:42	yzflcyq	Why not?
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13:53:43	Torne	because someone overlooked it, probably
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13:55:00	yzflcyq	Torne:Nice guess.
13:55:35	AlexP	It has been now
13:55:57	yzflcyq	Well done.
13:56:06	AlexP	The others got reported, I doubt many people look at the Onda themes
13:56:07	yzflcyq	You did really hurt me.
13:56:22	AlexP	yzflcyq: We respect other people's copyright.
13:56:35	AlexP	If you wish to stay/be part of the community then so will you
13:56:38	yzflcyq	OK.
13:58:08	yzflcyq	I have found a file whose name with 'ppm'.What's it?
13:58:42	Torne	an image file, portable pixmap format
13:59:01	yzflcyq	Is it based on Linux?
13:59:19	AlexP	linux is the kernel for an operating system
13:59:23	AlexP	ppm is an image format
13:59:35	AlexP	One isn't based on the other
13:59:58	yzflcyq	Is it used oftenly under Linux
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14:00:05	AlexP	So is jpg
14:00:15	yzflcyq	Got it.
14:00:16	AlexP	er, sorry - misread
14:00:23	AlexP	But really, there is no relation
14:00:40	Torne	the "portable" means "designed to work on lots of systems" :)
14:00:53	yzflcyq	It's my fault.I asked in a incorrect manner.
14:01:08	yzflcyq	See.
14:01:27	AlexP	yzflcyq: Sorry, I didn't realise
14:02:41	yzflcyq	Looks like I speak very bad English
14:02:54	Torne	only averagely bad
14:03:13	Torne	many people do significantly worse, even if they speak it natively :)
14:03:22	AlexP	yzflcyq: No, it is good enough that I forgot I was speaking to a non-native speaker
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14:03:44	AlexP	yzflcyq: If it was that bad I would have been looking for other variations in words :)
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14:03:58	yzflcyq	Thanks.
14:04:52	yzflcyq	One of my friends will join the chat room at once.
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14:06:15	yzflcyq	He is in.His name is wind
14:08:26	yzflcyq	Just now I saw some themes.
14:08:56	yzflcyq	They also have some icons in Windows Media Player.
14:09:04	AlexP	Which ones?
14:09:23	yzflcyq	KratoJet
14:09:29	yzflcyq	http://themes.rockbox.org/index.php?target=sansae200
14:10:02	yzflcyq	That 'play' button.
14:10:21	AlexP	Is that directly from WMP, or is it just drawn to look like it?
14:10:51	yzflcyq	WinBox
14:11:10	yzflcyq	And this.One of them is directly from WMp.
14:13:14	wind	I can't open any text file which is more than 1M. Why?
14:13:14	AlexP	S_a_i_n_t: Where do the WMP icons come from on your WinBox theme?
14:13:19	yzflcyq	Autobot Glass v1.4
14:13:30	AlexP	wind: I assume because there is a bug
14:13:36	yzflcyq	My theme is based on it.
14:13:50	AlexP	yzflcyq: Please report these using the report themes button
14:14:31	yzflcyq	Sorry,I didn't catch you.
14:14:39	wind	How to repair it.
14:15:51	AlexP	wind: I don't know, you'll need to have a look at the code
14:16:04	Torne	someone was discussing this the other day... can't see a bug in FS for it though
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14:16:19	AlexP	yzflcyq: If you click on the title of a theme (not the picture) you will be able to report a theme
14:16:25	AlexP	Torne: I'm sure I've seen one
14:16:27	andrewRB	hmm, I can open text files > 1MB fine, which target?
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14:16:40	*	andrewRB is probably misunderstanding
14:16:45	Torne	andrewRB: i think the consensus before was it depends on target and possibly encoding?
14:16:52	AlexP	Torne: http://www.rockbox.org/tracker/task/10924
14:17:02	Torne	aha, there we go
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14:18:13	yzflcyq	Sorry,Something wrong with my network.
14:18:20	wind	andrewRB:I use onda vx747.
14:18:27	soap	before you go off deleting more themes - let me check my PM archives. Someone has claimed their WMPish icons are original artwork, not resource rips.
14:19:07	yzflcyq	So can I.
14:20:05	yzflcyq	Now I anounce:All the icons in my theme are my original artwork, not resource rips.
14:20:47	AlexP	soap: They are only hidden anyway
14:20:53	AlexP	soap: For just such an eventuality
14:20:55	soap	well, yzflcyq, the whole entire project is based on the word of the contributers re:copyright. Unless Rockbox decides to create an official Auditor position it will always be that way.
14:21:34	AlexP	soap: And they were reported by others, I'm not being pro-active here (and indeed it isn't just me who has hidden these) :)
14:22:01	AlexP	yzflcyq: Why didn't you say that originally, and only when soap mentioned it?
14:23:00	soap	doesn't matter - a reasonable response is now to spend more effort vetting yzflcyq's claims than those of others.
14:23:01	yzflcyq	I thought it was unnecessary.
14:23:40	yzflcyq	It my work(actually It's my friend's and I asked him).
14:24:03	AlexP	How was it unnecessary when it was the entire point of the discussion?
14:24:40	yzflcyq	Well, I've never thought about it.
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14:25:43	soap	that's not our fault. You were offered the license text upon submittal.
14:25:49	soap	don't dig a deeper hole
14:26:31	yzflcyq	In Chinese things like it will be thought was just Imitation，no matter it's your own art work or not.
14:26:48	AlexP	It actually matters
14:26:56	AlexP	As I said, we respect copyright
14:27:23	AlexP	That means you cannot use other people's work without permission
14:27:42	yzflcyq	See.
14:29:13	yzflcyq	So can I reupload it with a anouncement that it is all art work?
14:29:31	yzflcyq	So can I reupload it with a anouncement that it is all my own art work?
14:29:37	GodEater	do we already know about this? http://www.softpedia.com/get/Multimedia/Audio/Other-AUDIO-Tools/Rockbox-Database-Builder.shtml ?
14:30:03	soap	after the fiasco you've probably lost your "presumption of innocence"
14:30:41	yzflcyq	My fate.
14:31:35	AlexP	yzflcyq: We need to check it out
14:31:59	linuxstb	GodEater: I didn't... Here's the homepage - http://sourceforge.net/projects/rbdb/
14:32:03	GodEater	Torne: the person talking about the text viewer and >1M files breaking it was pamaury
14:32:26	GodEater	linuxstb: nor me - it's nice. Shame it's not on our wiki somewhere!
14:32:32	GodEater	(assuming it works of course!)
14:32:40	yzflcyq	Just check.
14:33:02	AlexP	"intended to add several features to the rockbox database that the rockbox firmware does not currently implement."
14:33:12	AlexP	So I wonder what they do
14:33:23	linuxstb	GodEater: Downloading the source, I see it's written in python, rather than using the Rockbox C code.
14:33:29	pixelma	regarding the +1MB text files - there is probably a difference in whether you open it in the text viewer or the editor
14:34:12	yzflcyq	I personally think C is better than python.
14:34:22	yzflcyq	Much efficently.
14:34:34	GodEater	AlexP: I wondered at that too
14:34:39	Torne	AlexP: i would guess they write values into the various fields which are different to what we infer from the metadata
14:34:40	GodEater	it must work magic
14:34:57	Torne	like the trick to insert comments containing multiple field values so you can display them in tagnavi to get around the restriction
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14:35:06	Torne	(the year-album thing)
14:35:11	GodEater	ah yes
14:35:15	GodEater	clever
14:35:22	AlexP	Much as I don't use it, the database really could use some love
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14:35:25	Torne	pure speculation :)
14:35:46	Torne	but it seems like something you might well want to do with such a tool that wouldn't be very difficult.
14:35:55	GodEater	yes - I gave up trying to get that sorting all tracks by album (but not displaying the album name) thing to work
14:36:04	GodEater	it just data aborts the dap
14:36:15	GodEater	it doesn't seem like such a silly thing to want to do
14:36:23	Torne	yeah. the db is just not flexible enough
14:37:09	yzflcyq	A stupid question from me.
14:37:44	yzflcyq	Is rockbox gonna add Chinese support?
14:37:54	AlexP	It does, doesn't it?
14:38:06	AlexP	If you select a suitable font and code page
14:38:20	AlexP	I don't know how complete the translation is though
14:38:32	yzflcyq	The point I ask is that a Chinese inputer.
14:38:37	*	GodEater doesn't think this is a particularly stupid question either
14:38:51	Torne	That would be difficult
14:38:56	AlexP	ah right
14:38:58	wind	pixelma:open it in the text viewer,but then 747 become a balck screen.
14:39:02	GodEater	yes, a chinese text editor would be tough
14:39:17	AlexP	Could you do it to an extent with a customised virtual keyboard?
14:39:22	yzflcyq	Ah,bad tranlate for chinese.
14:39:23	Torne	yzflcyq: how does chinese text input work on PCs? Is it similar to Japanese IMEs? (type in kana, translates to kanji for you)?
14:39:44	yzflcyq	Almost the same.
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14:40:23	Torne	you can make a keyboard which has the syllables, and type in those (i forget what they are called for chinese)
14:40:43	Torne	but doing the conversion to proper characters would be very difficult, we have nothing like the IME facility
14:40:51	yzflcyq	Input 'wo',translates to '我' and other same-sound characters.
14:41:02	Torne	hm
14:41:46	AlexP	yzflcyq: Translation updates from native speakers are always very welcome
14:42:12	yzflcyq	Yeah.I do want to help you translate it.
14:42:50	Torne	yzflcyq: are we talking about something that needs a few dozen or a few thousand charcaters, though? I don't know the proper terms for chinese but it would not be difficult to have a rockbox keyboard that let you type in katakana for Japanese, we just couldn't do the step where it translates a string of katakana into a kanji
14:42:55	yzflcyq	But,how to?
14:43:18	funman	yzflcyq: download the translation file and complete/correct it
14:43:30	AlexP	Unfortunaltely rasher's translation tool is currently broken
14:43:46	AlexP	rasher: That is a problem with the host, yes?
14:43:59	yzflcyq	Then how to upload/commit a translatetion?
14:44:00	AlexP	If so, would it be possible to get it running on the Rockbox server?
14:44:04	rasher	AlexP: Yeah, maybe I should look into having scorche host it
14:44:15	AlexP	yzflcyq: Pop a patch on flyspray
14:44:32	yzflcyq	I've never known the translate tool.
14:44:39	AlexP	rasher: It is such a useful tool for Rockbox, it seems a shame not to have it available :)
14:44:49	rasher	I agree, really
14:45:26	rasher	scorche: Feel like hosting translate.rockbox.org or something like that?
14:45:44	rasher	I guess I should clean up the source a bit and stick it in svn at the same time
14:45:52	AlexP	That'd be cool
14:46:11	yzflcyq	Looks like I really do need the tool.
14:46:34	AlexP	yzflcyq: It makes it a lot easier, although it is possible without
14:47:03	yzflcyq	So?
14:47:25	yzflcyq	Then Without it How can I translate?
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14:48:26	Torne	http://www.rockbox.org/wiki/LangFiles
14:48:36	yzflcyq	Reading.
14:50:12	yzflcyq	Ah,diffcult for me.
14:51:07	yzflcyq	I remember rasher.dk can be visited.
14:53:00	yzflcyq	Do anyone have the translate tool?
14:53:45	Torne	no.
14:54:03	Torne	That's what people were discussing above: having it available on the rockbox site as an officially supported thing
14:54:51	yzflcyq	Perfect.
14:55:19	Torne	so, maybe that will happen :)
14:55:56	yzflcyq	It hard to build a translate Environment under Ubuntu.
14:56:19	Torne	it shouldn't be..
14:57:09	yzflcyq	What?
14:57:29	Torne	it should be fairly easy to set up any kind of rockbox development on debian/ubuntu
14:57:36	Torne	compiling, manual building, translating
14:57:52	Torne	have you actually tried?
14:58:12	yzflcyq	Not completely
14:58:17	yzflcyq	yep.
14:58:31	wind	A stupid question:Can I play GB games with gamepad on onda747？
14:59:03	Torne	what problems did you have?
14:59:11	Torne	perhaps the instructions need to be improved
14:59:28	wind	As you know 747 only has four button.
14:59:51	yzflcyq	Acutully it's five.
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15:00:02	yzflcyq	Hold is also one.
15:00:15	wind	I just want to play games using gamepad
15:00:50	rasher	You don't need to setup anything to be able to translate, actually.
15:01:04	rasher	Only if you want to build Rockbox afterwards to test the translation
15:01:10	Torne	wind: what do you mean, gamepad?
15:01:24	yzflcyq	So I decided to translate it under Windows.
15:01:27	wind	Hold is included
15:01:41	Torne	you can change the button mappings in rockboy
15:01:47	yzflcyq	Mean Controller
15:01:54	wind	Using gamepad play GB games
15:02:01	Torne	so if the game you are playing is playable with only the buttons the onda has, then you can
15:02:08	Torne	but if the game needs more than 4/5 buttons then probably not :)
15:02:40	pixelma	the Ondas have a 400x240 screen, right?
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15:03:04	yzflcyq	240x400
15:03:08	wind	right
15:03:26	yzflcyq	240x400 under rockbox
15:04:34	wind	So,I think we can try to change the codes to support the gamepad
15:04:49	Torne	what gamepad?
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15:05:11	Torne	you can map the onda's buttons to whatever gameboy buttons is useful for the game you are playing
15:05:18	wind	Hold on a minute
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15:05:51	pixelma	I always wondered if it would be possible (or how complicated it is) for those touchscreen targets to adapt the plugin to the slightly smaller screen graphics and have touch areas like "buttons" alongside in the rest of the screen
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15:06:52	Torne	pixelma: probably - the screen is more than large enough
15:07:12	Torne	you could display the buttons on the touchscreen below the screen in a similar layout to the actual gameboy :)
15:07:43	yzflcyq	Set some Virtual buttons on both sides of the screen?
15:08:42	pixelma	yes. But it will be some work on the plugins to allow this control method (I guess, I'm not a coder)
15:08:49	wind	I have a picture
15:09:00	wind	How to upload
15:09:20	yzflcyq	pixelma:So am I.
15:10:20	Torne	pixelma: to a limited extent you can already use the touchscreen, it's in grid mode
15:10:28	Torne	so you can treat the touchscreen as 9 more buttons
15:11:01	yzflcyq	Got it.But it's diffcult to use.
15:11:30	Torne	Yes, quite possibly :)
15:12:06	Torne	wind: post it on http://picpaste.com/
15:12:48	yzflcyq	And is rockbox gonna to add some new UIs based on touch-screen?
15:13:03	Torne	in rockboy specifically, or in general?
15:13:05	yzflcyq	Like...slide touch?
15:13:14	Torne	there are people working o nmaking more screens use the touchscreen in a more natural way
15:13:21	Torne	but i don't think anyone is looking at this for rockboy right now
15:13:43	yzflcyq	Under the hole rockbox,not only rockboy.
15:14:06	wind	In China，a man named tomac has already designed a gamepad on Ondas
15:14:37	wind	I am loading the documents
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15:15:38	yzflcyq	wind:you have new name,なぎひこ
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15:17:35	wind	I thing if wo can play games using gamepad,then the rockbox became perfect!
15:18:39	Torne	i still don't understand what you mean by gamepad
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15:18:48	yzflcyq	Impossible and unnecessary
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15:19:25	wind	http://cid-25d170e0c1bf0b49.skydrive.live.com/self.aspx/.Public/FC%e6%89%8b%e6%9f%84%e5%9b%be%e8%a7%a3%e6%95%99%e7%a8%8b.doc
15:19:47	yzflcyq	Chinese document?
15:20:05	wind	right
15:20:22	wind	I am sorry
15:21:26	yzflcyq	About what?
15:21:34	wind	This document has explain the word "Gamepad"
15:22:44	yzflcyq	I personally think nobody well read it,unless understand it.
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15:24:01	wind	Torne:I can't open http://picpaste.com/ ,so I choose SkyDrive
15:24:09	yzflcyq	So anyone is Japanese?
15:24:59	Torne	right, i see
15:25:09	Torne	yes, someone could write a rockbox driver for that hardware
15:25:22	Torne	though I don't know how good a framework we have for handling that kind of thing being plugged and unplugged
15:25:30	Torne	it's unlikely any of hte developers would wnat to, though
15:25:35	Torne	unless they had such a device :)
15:25:44	Torne	and you would need to have one to test it.
15:25:59	Torne	plus if that's the only documentatoin for it, it would hav eto be someone who understands chinese :)
15:25:59	yzflcyq	unnecessary
15:27:03	Torne	also we don't really have a way of loading drivers dynamically so if such a thing were supported it would be compiled into the main binary
15:27:08	Torne	which would increase the binary size for everyone :(
15:27:14	Torne	so.. i would guess it's not likely
15:27:16	yzflcyq	Yep.
15:27:18	Torne	it is physically possible though.
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15:27:52	Zagor	http://bjorn.haxx.se/blog/2010/01/29/pluggable-rockbox-screen-transitions/
15:28:02	Zagor	an idea I've been toying with
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15:28:27	yzflcyq	It's a large project to support those device.
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15:28:53	Torne	yzflcyq: not really large, it looks pretty simple
15:29:11	Torne	if someone with the relevant skills actually had such a device they could probably write a driver for it in a day or two
15:29:17	Torne	assuming they cared :)
15:29:23	gevaerts	Zagor: I'd like the ability to easily support all sorts of plugins, but I think this sort of thing realistically needs a variable-address plugin loader
15:30:05	Zagor	right, I'm seeing these as special plugins with their own plugin space
15:30:12	Torne	someday when i have infinite time i will experiment with elf2flt and friends
15:30:25	Torne	and see how feasible it would be for us to compile plugins to flt binaies and load them
15:30:45	Torne	if it can be made to work the overhead of loading is probably fairly tiny
15:30:48	gevaerts	that works of course, but every new plugin idea will make RAM usage more inefficient
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15:31:26	Zagor	gevaerts: yep
15:31:51	Torne	of course someone else could do it first :)
15:31:57	*	gevaerts would also like WPS visualisation plugins, and possibly USB class driver plugins
15:32:31	Torne	on the subject of USB classes can we change the bloody usb screen so it says something other than just "Multimedia Mode" to indicate the HID profile?
15:33:07	Torne	that's another thing i have lost count of how many people have been confused by :)
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15:34:28	gevaerts	yes please
15:34:44	Zagor	gevaerts: otoh I suppose the transition plugin could live in the current plugin space, and only be used by the core.
15:34:55	Torne	not that i know what to change it to
15:35:33	Zagor	when you run a plugin it simply overwrites the transition code, and when you exit the plugin you reload the transition
15:35:51	Torne	you could do that
15:35:56	Torne	but it seems a bit of a fiddle :)
15:36:28	gevaerts	Zagor: isn't there a bit in the core somewhere that already uses the plugin buffer for its own needs?
15:36:36	Zagor	is it?
15:37:08	Torne	well ok it's not absurd.
15:37:18	Torne	but i do think someone should investigate whether flt would work for us :
15:37:21	gevaerts	the playlist viewer or something like that
15:37:31	Torne	i would do it but, er, you know ;)
15:37:45	Zagor	gevaerts: bah, who wants a playlist viewer instead of eye candy? ;-)
15:37:55	gevaerts	:)
15:37:59	wind	I hane another question.Who can explain to me the difference between USB modes?
15:38:22	Torne	wind: they control what keypresses the player generates on the host PC using the HID interface
15:38:36	Torne	it has no effect on using it as a mass storage device (or on charging)
15:38:56	Torne	multimedia mode means when you press play/stop/etc on the player it generates the keycodes for play/stop/etc as used by multimedia keyboards
15:39:05	Torne	the othe rmodes make the player simulate a mouse, or a presentation remote, or various others
15:39:23	gevaerts	Zagor: the point is that with proper PIC plugins, we can have more eyecandy!
15:39:32	Zagor	agreed
15:40:05	wind	Torne:Thanks!
15:40:42	rasher	Torne: "Multimedia key mode"?
15:41:07	Torne	gevaerts: well, relocatable plugins. actual PIC probably sucks beyond redemption for our purposes as i discovered before ;)
15:41:24	Torne	(and even if it could be made to work it would be slightly slower for everything)
15:41:30	gevaerts	Torne: I don't care about names :)
15:41:44	Torne	rasher: i was thinking a prefix or something
15:41:51	Torne	dunno how much 'room' we have considering all targets though
15:41:56	Torne	Keypad mode: multimedia
15:41:57	Torne	?
15:42:08	Torne	to me that makes it much more clear that it's unrelated to storage
15:42:26	Torne	or just key mode..
15:42:34	rasher	Zagor: would you be fine with a translate.rockbox.org which had my translation stuff hosted by.. probably scorche if he's up for it
15:42:47	Zagor	sure
15:42:51	wind	But I am still confused, how to use while charging
15:43:14	Torne	hold whichever key it says to hold in the manual, while you insert hte usb cable
15:43:31	Torne	the "mode" thing displayed is not anything to do with that either
15:44:08	*	Torne attempts to "perfect" the pp5020 dma patch :)
15:45:02	evilnick_B	Torne: Button mode?
15:45:31	wind	Thank you!Torne
15:47:36	andrewRB	please could anyone with a working build environment and mingw set up build scramble.exe for me?
15:48:35	rasher	Zagor: are you the guy to prod for dns changes?
15:48:41	Zagor	yes
15:49:46	rasher	Alright, I'll yell eventually
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16:12:55	jsiddall	I have a Sansa Clip v1. I would like it to boot Rockbox by default when USB is connected, and only load the OF when the left button is pressed. I had a look at the code in rbutil/mkamsboot/dualboot/dualboot.S and think I have a solution, but since getting this wrong would brick the thing I would like confirmation of the change.
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16:13:25	Torne	jsiddall: pastebin it
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16:16:09	GodEater	I thought bootloaders on the AMS models could brick them anyway for no good reson?
16:18:06	linuxstb	GodEater: There are in effect two bootloaders - the very simple dual-boot code (that checks for a button press and branches appropriately) which is in that .S file jsiddall referred to, and then the main bootloader.
16:18:31	GodEater	and which is the dangerous one?
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16:18:39	linuxstb	Changes to the main bootloader should be safe, even though it's flashed, as a broken bootloader shouldn't break dual-booting.
16:18:53	linuxstb	dualboot.S is the dangerous one. I wouldn't want to touch it...
16:19:03	jsiddall	Yeah, that's why I am worried!
16:19:10	jsiddall	Still, the change is pretty simple:
16:19:12	jsiddall	http://pastebin.com/pastebin.php?dl=m32838ded
16:19:43	Torne	No, that's wrong
16:19:51	Torne	That won't compile
16:19:56	GodEater	also, chrome doesn't like that link!
16:19:59	Torne	so fortunately you won't be able to brick your player that way :)
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16:20:08	Torne	no wait i'm blind
16:20:11	Torne	pardo nme :)
16:20:41	Torne	it should be ok as long as nothing else depends on the register loads there..
16:20:42	*	Torne checks
16:22:06	jsiddall	All I am trying to do is skip the check for whether USB is connected
16:22:26	jsiddall	Any predictions of my odds for success?
16:22:30	Torne	That looks like it should be fine
16:22:39	Torne	however if it bricks your player then this is Not My Fault(tm) :)
16:22:55	jsiddall	Yeah, I know there are no guarantees for success here!
16:23:12	jsiddall	Next question: How do I compile mkamsboot?
16:23:25	jsiddall	Configure with a "Normal" compile doesn't seem to do it
16:24:09	Torne	No, the stuff under rbutil is built entirely seperately
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16:25:14	jsiddall	OK, so just cd in there and make?
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16:28:06	linuxstb	jsiddall: One thing I would definitely do before installing a new firmware is to disassemble it, and make sure that looks OK.
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16:28:34	mr45	am trying rockbox on it but no joy
16:28:48	mr45	maybe coz its V2?
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16:29:03	jsiddall	Sorry about the first link. This should be better: http://pastebin.com/m32838ded
16:29:07	mr45	hey guys has anyone got a sansa fuze?
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16:36:34	jsiddall	linuxstb: Hmmm... I'm not a developer so this is stretching me. Can you give me a command to disassemble? I'll see if I can figure it out from there.
16:37:33	Torne	if you don't know what the command is to disassemble a binary then, er, you probably aren't going to be able to read the results particularly well either
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16:41:43	linuxstb	jsiddall: You can do "arm-elf-objdump -D -b binary -m arm file.bin > file.txt"
16:41:44	jsiddall	PErhaps
16:41:48	Strife89	Hmmm, if I complete the Cabbie port, can't the GoGear SA9200 be moved to Unstable?
16:42:14	jsiddall	But I don't know C or assembly either, and I _might_ have figured out how to modify the bootloader!
16:42:30	mr45	hey guys do u know if the developers are going to do rockbox on the sansa fuze v2?
16:42:43	Strife89	I was told that the GoGear needs a Cabbie port AND image conversions for the plugins, but that strikes me as odd.
16:43:06	Strife89	Since the description of Unstable says that Rockbox is "incomplete" on those targets.
16:43:43	jsiddall	mr45: latest info for Sansa ports are here: http://forums.rockbox.org/index.php?topic=14064.0
16:45:20	mr45	yeah been looking at it now, all 92 pages heh
16:46:57	mr45	cheers tho :)
16:47:17	linuxstb	jsiddall: But why do you want Rockbox to start when the USB cable is attached? I didn't think Rockbox had USB support on the AMS Sansas yet?
16:47:47	jsiddall	It does support USB for charging. I want to use the Clip in car mode where no PC is attached.
16:48:08	jsiddall	OF with USB attached essentially breaks car mode
16:48:31	linuxstb	So it doesn't distiguish between a USB charger and a computer?
16:48:32	FlynDice	jsiddall: be very careful. You are not modifying the bootloader you are modifying dualboot.s. This is the one thing that has a high chance of bricking your player if you screw it up. And you just said yhat you don't know C or asm...
16:48:48	Torne	linuxstb: no, the GPIO pin it looks at doesn't know the difference
16:49:03	Torne	it looks like the pin is just "is anything plugge dinto the usb port"
16:49:18	jsiddall	Yeah, if it could detect whether a PC or charger was connected that would be sweet
16:49:57	Torne	well when we support USB it can do that, probably...
16:50:10	jsiddall	FlynDice: And yes, I know I in dangerous territory here. Thus asking about my patch before using it.
16:50:29	jsiddall	...but by the time USB is supported there may be no need for the OF at all!
16:50:58	Torne	we generally support dual booting anyway, though
16:51:20	jsiddall	FlynDice: Could you check http://pastebin.com/m32838ded and let me know if you see anything scary?
16:51:22	Torne	if it's possible, we try and support it even if there's no actual need to use the OF - some people still use the OF for somethings.
16:51:54	jsiddall	Yeah, no harm in allowing the OF I guess. The clip still doesn't support recording so I guess there is still at least one reason to keep the OF.
16:53:10	FlynDice	jsiddall: You don't want me checking, I'd suggest linuxstb or funman.....
16:53:55	Torne	jsiddall: your patch is right, as far as it's possible to tell
16:54:08	jsiddall	OK, well one endorsement is good enough for me to try it. Thanks!
16:54:10	Torne	that block of instructions is isolated
16:54:20	Torne	none of the subsequent code depends on the values of r0/r1 that it sets
16:54:23	jsiddall	Yeah, looked pretty innocent.
16:54:29	Torne	and nothing subsequently uses GPIOA either
16:54:46	Torne	so even if it doesn't work somehow you should still be able to boot the OF by holding the button
16:54:48	gevaerts	jsiddall: I suspect that you'll also need some modifications to the main build to not have it reboot later on. Those aren't dangerous though, so you can just try and see
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17:08:24	jsiddall	linuxstb:OK, I got the dissassembled bin. I see stuff from 0-1c, a bunch of swinv 0x00ffffff to 200, some more stuff until 21c, then more swinv 0x00ffffff until 400 where I see ldr pc, [pc, #216] ; 0x4e0. There is also stuff at 420, 428 and 430. Things appear to be in the right spots according to mkamsboot.c but since I don't have a clue what most of that is doing I likewise have no clue if it will work. Care to look at a
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17:08:50	funman	FlynDice: hi, i noticed your message on the forum, you prefer to discuss this on irc ?
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17:09:34	linuxstb	jsiddall: Yes, I don't mind taking a quick look at your bin file (send me the bin. not the disassembly)
17:09:36	funman	jsiddall: the diff you pasted looks correct, you'll still have the left button as a safety
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17:10:06	funman	if you want to apply it, first run make in mkamsboot/dualboot/ and then copy the dualboot.c and dualboot.h to mkamsboot/ , overwriting the ones already present
17:10:07	jsiddall	funman: OK, that's what I need. Thanks for having a look
17:11:00	funman	if it were for me, I would just start the Clip before starting the motor engine, but you're free to choose otherwise of course
17:11:33	funman	(hm, are you the person who want to use the clip in his car ?)
17:12:03	jsiddall	Shows you how lazy I am! I really don't want to have to pull it out of the glove box every time I drive.
17:12:07	jsiddall	Yes
17:12:24	jsiddall	There is someone else who asked for this also so I am not alone it appears.
17:12:56	funman	true, but personally i don't mind extra paranoia
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17:28:27	andrewRB	is there still a daily 7z source package?
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17:30:58	Torne	no.
17:31:00	Torne	use svn.
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17:32:52	andrewRB	okiedokes. already am. just figured the wiki ought to be updated, many pages still reference it and link to the build page
17:40:54	jsiddall	linuxstb: Sending you new bin file now. I diffed the disassembled bins and I see only reasonable changes at 4, 204, 400, and then a ton of changes from 444 on.
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17:46:05	Strife89	Could someone take a look at the Cabbie port before I make a patch for it?
17:46:17	Strife89	The port is for the GoGear SA9200.
17:51:11	Strife89	Here's a shot of the e200 port that I used for reference. http://dl.dropbox.com/u/1905158/dump%20100129-110812.bmp
17:51:25	Strife89	Here is a shot of the GoGear port. http://dl.dropbox.com/u/1905158/dump%20100129-113651.bmp
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17:56:16	Strife89	PNG version of the e200 shot: http://dl.dropbox.com/u/1905158/dump%20100129-110812.png
17:56:30	Strife89	PNG version of the GoGear shot: http://dl.dropbox.com/u/1905158/dump%20100129-113651.png
17:57:15	gevaerts	I don't really like the missing album name, but then I don't use cabbie anyway because it doesn't show the composer
17:58:06	Strife89	gevaerts: I have it display the album name if there's no album art.
17:58:37	Strife89	gevaerts: As shown here: http://dl.dropbox.com/u/1905158/dump%20100129-113953.png
17:59:03	gevaerts	yes, but still
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18:37:39	Strife89	http://www.rockbox.org/tracker/task/10937
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18:47:20	jsiddall	Good news and bad news: First the good: The updates to bootloader for Clip to allow RB boot with USB connected worked! No brick −− yay!
18:48:24	jsiddall	Bad news: as gevaerts speculated it immediately reboots once it loads RB. Any hints about where to start looking for that change?
18:49:10	FlynDice	how far does it get in rockbox?
18:49:31	jsiddall	To the point of displaying the menu... basically all the way
18:49:49	jsiddall	There is obviously something watching for a USB connection
18:50:05	bertrik	jsiddall, is this the clip, or the clip+ ?
18:50:08	jsiddall	Clip[
18:50:14	jsiddall	Make that Clip
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18:50:21	jsiddall	V1
18:50:37	gevaerts	jsiddall: I suspect that the easiest is to change firmware/target/arm/as3525/usb-as3525.c
18:50:53	jsiddall	Thanks, I'll look there
18:50:55	gevaerts	look for the usb_detect() function, and make it always return USB_EXTRACTED
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18:52:48	jsiddall	Easy enough. I'll swap return USB_INSERTED; with return USB_EXTRACTED;
18:53:30	jsiddall	It looks like I could also just remove the #if defined(SANSA_CLIP)
18:53:30	jsiddall	#define USB_DETECT_PIN 6 stuff
18:53:51	jsiddall	That might be cleaner
18:53:53	gevaerts	I'd just remove everything except the return USB_EXTRACTED; line. No need to spend time actually looking at the pin
18:54:09	jsiddall	Exactly
18:54:27	gevaerts	oh yes, you're right
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18:54:57	bertrik	What exactly are you working on? I though dual boot already worked for the clip v1.
18:55:04	gevaerts	bertrik: exactly :)
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18:55:30	AlexP	bertrik: So if you power on with usb connecte you go to Rockbox charging, not OF USB
18:55:32	jsiddall	Dual boot works _unless_ you plug in USB. Then it is single boot OF only
18:55:34	gevaerts	He wants to always boot into rockbox by default, and stay there, regardless of USB being plugged in
18:55:35	AlexP	bertrik: For car use
18:55:54	jsiddall	Yes, all this is to make car mode not broken
18:56:35	ThS\|Bullet	Hi all I'd like to know if someone can help me to choose the right gcc and binutils to build the svn for my iRiver H3x0
18:57:04	jsiddall	The clip is one of a presumably small set of players that can really work well in car mode because it automatically starts the FW as soon as power is connected. Most players seem to require manual intervention to start.
18:58:13	gevaerts	ThS\|Bullet: the recommended toolchain is the one built by tools/rockboxdev.sh in the source
18:59:48	ThS\|Bullet	thx gevaerts :)
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19:00:44	ThS\|Bullet	Is that script recent?
19:01:55	jsiddall	I just used it yesterday and it worked for compiling a Sansa
19:02:12	jsiddall	...on a F12 system
19:04:15	AlexP	ThS\|Bullet: No, it has been around for years
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19:04:49	AlexP	It gets the correct versions of the cross compilers and patches them as required
19:05:02	ThS\|Bullet	such a shame i didn't saw him before =x
19:05:51	ThS\|Bullet	I've always tried to build the svn but i never succeed
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19:06:35	jsiddall	It worked first time for me. In my experience that is a spectacular result.
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19:12:40	Bullet`	what does the script mean by " make your path include"?
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19:13:01	AlexP	Bullet`: Do you know what the PATH variable is
19:13:05	AlexP	+?
19:13:26	Bullet`	yes
19:13:41	AlexP	Add the things it tells you to that
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19:14:46	Bullet`	mmmh so i don't think i know what is a the PATH variable (i thought of an environement variable)
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19:19:35	Bullet`	AlexP, do I have to do that? export PATH=$PATH:/usr/local/m68k-elf/bin
19:20:14	AlexP	Bullet`: Yes, that'll do it temporarily
19:21:06	AlexP	You can add that line "~/.bashrc" to do it permanently
19:23:14	Bullet`	i think i'll do that thank you
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19:32:26	Bullet`	thanks all it worked fine =)
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19:41:58	PaulJam	hi, was the "ui viewport" setting in the .cfg files removed recently? it doesn't seem to work for me anymore.
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19:48:13	bertrik	Strife89, I'm no theme expert, but I think your cabbie port for the gogear 9200 looks nice
19:49:37	pixelma	PaulJam: maybe onr of JdGordon's recent commitd did
19:49:41	pixelma	commits too
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19:51:33	PaulJam	Yes, looks like it. with the latest daily build (r24365) it still works.
19:52:56	PaulJam	Jdgordon: could you have a look at the "ui viewport" setting from the theme.cfg? it doesn't seem to work anymore.
19:53:33	pixelma	not sure if he wanted to commit this all in one but I think it is removed on purpose, as you can get the same effect with an sbs file
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19:55:31	pixelma	there was a major complication with the ui viewport and the list viewport in the base skin because it involved calculating the intersection of the two and whatnot
19:55:35	JdGordon\|	yes, it was removed on purpose... its not actually removed, only ignore if the sbs specifies one
19:55:55	Strife89	bertrik: :)
19:57:59	Strife89	bertrik: I know that Lambda owns a 9200; he says he's going to check it out tonight. I'd like to see it commited soon. :)
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20:00:07	Strife89	bertrik: And I'm no theme expert either. The only original theme I've ever tried to make was a total flop, and I scrapped it.
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20:08:03	PaulJam	JdGordon\|: the sbs file didn't contain a %Vi... line. i now added that line to the sbs and the statusar looks normal again. thanks for the hint.
20:09:17	JdGordon\|	then the sbs shuold never have worked
20:10:31	JdGordon\|	pixelma: where would be the best place to put a full listing of what consitutes a theme? ThemeGuidlines?
20:14:14	JdGordon\|	PaulJam: ah right, yes it would have worked previously because the system was (IMO) messed up
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20:50:59	amiconn	Unhelpful: Is there a reason to not go beyond 16384 table entries?
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21:01:20	JdGordon\|	rasher: how much effort would be needed to move the icon set gallery from the wii to the theme site? and would that be something worth doing?
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21:20:20	mtgeekman	Has anyone looked into putting rockbox on the Visual Land V-Touch media player? its an ipod touch knock off.
21:21:58	JdGordon\|	nope
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21:38:43	amiconn	Unhelpful: Here are my speed results with the (fixed) patch (http://rockbox.pastebin.ca/1771177). Order is -c1000/2000/3000/4000:
21:39:20	amiconn	iPod G2 (PP5002) 165.8/106.7/63.8/16.7 %
21:39:42	amiconn	H10 (PP5020) 153.3/97.0/58.1/21.0 %
21:40:05	amiconn	Mini G2 (PP5022) 169.6/108.2/64.2/21.6 %
21:40:53	amiconn	If you compare with svn speeds, you can clearly see the effect of the out-of-iram filter buffer for -c4000 on PP5002
21:46:07	JdGordon\|	AlexP: does http://www.rockbox.org/wiki/RockboxThemes in any way clean up the confusion between sbs and everything?
21:47:31	AlexP	JdGordon\|: I'll have a shufti
21:48:44	JdGordon\|	also, can we rename the "WPS and Appearance" forum?
21:49:05	JdGordon\|	maybe "Themeing support" or something?
21:49:22	AlexP	You need an admin for that
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21:49:34	JdGordon\|	you arent special enough?
21:49:39	AlexP	Nope :(
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21:49:50	JdGordon\|	aawww :p
21:49:54	AlexP	I know :)
21:50:03	JdGordon\|	scorche:^
21:50:05	AlexP	And that page is clearer, thanks
21:50:30	AlexP	Personally, the main confusion came from the name custom statusbar
21:50:59	JdGordon\|	sure, but I tihnk its also nice that we articulate exactly what a theme is now
21:51:09	AlexP	oh, definately
21:51:28	JdGordon\|	do you know if the colours file format is in the wiki anywhere?
21:51:35	AlexP	I think so
21:51:41	AlexP	Where is another question :)
21:52:00	JdGordon\|	ah, found it :)
21:52:15	AlexP	JdGordon\|: http://www.rockbox.org/wiki/CustomFiletypeColours
21:52:19	AlexP	ah, too slow :)
21:52:39	AlexP	JdGordon\|: And it is a .colours file
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21:54:51	Unhelpful	amiconn: i can check again with my dev system but i believe that was the largest size that fit iram and was a valid ARM immediate. the targets with larger amounts of space free for tables can only change table size in rather large increments due to the restrictions on ARM immediates
21:57:47	Unhelpful	pp5020 seems to have become faster on c4000? might just be down to sampling error but you have it going from 20.0% in svn to 21.0% patched
21:58:12	amiconn	Ah, makes sense
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21:58:56	amiconn	Yeah. Seems on PP5020 the iram is a bit slower than the cache?!
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21:59:34	amiconn	I don't think sampling error is that large
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22:00:41	Unhelpful	i doubt it is either. did i see that you were thinking about fusing some of the APE filter operations? presumably to save one set of load/store?
22:01:23	amiconn	yes
22:01:43	amiconn	It will save an operand load
22:01:58	amiconn	(per sample*filter_order)
22:02:42	amiconn	If the sample is non-zero, that is (but zero samples are rare...)
22:03:18	JdGordon\|	hmm.. whats the max framerate the colour targets can do?
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22:03:31	amiconn	Depends very much on the target
22:04:00	JdGordon\|	in general, <100FPS? <200?
22:04:08	JdGordon\|	colour targets I only care about
22:04:31	amiconn	http://www.rockbox.org/wiki/LcdFrameRate
22:05:45	JdGordon\|	the formatting looks messed up :(
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22:26:59	pixelma	it's not, it just lloks messy due to the alternatimg colours and the diiferent grouping of rows (or rowspan)
22:27:30	pixelma	looks even
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22:34:56	linuxstb	pixelma: Compare http://www.rockbox.org/wiki/LcdFrameRate?rev=49 and http://www.rockbox.org/wiki/LcdFrameRate?rev=50
22:40:46	*	linuxstb fixes
22:40:51	amiconn	Hmm?
22:41:01	amiconn	There's nothing wrong with the formatting...
22:41:25	linuxstb	The second header row was wrong. Or at least it was for me...
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22:41:44	pixelma	r49 didn't have those rowspan things - I guess though that the page still looked nicely with twiki. The header looks wrong yeah
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22:42:42	amiconn	Hmm, it's a bug in foswiki
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22:43:07	amiconn	The header also used rowspan, and this did work in twiki
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23:35:38	scorche	Torne: if you didnt get the pictures from yzwhatever, chinese input in windows at least is usually done by a program (this is the most common program at least) that when started, acts like another bar that sits above the taskbar and users type pinyin into whereever they want it to appear. Then, when they have finished typing the romanised phonetics, they are presented with multiple options with numbers attached to chinese characters which
23:35:49	scorche	and it replaces the text with the character
23:36:38	scorche	rasher: i am fine with hosting your translation tool (and anything else you need, really)
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23:38:06	rasher	scorche: excellent - can you set up a vhost like "translate.rockbox.org" and host it inside the themes account? I'll fake the dns locally for now and prod zagor once I've got it going
23:38:29	rasher	Or create a new account, but having it inside themes means more people can fix it when it goes wrong
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23:46:39	CIA-5	New commit by 03bluebrother (r24372): Adjust to the buildserver now using ipod4g instead of ipod4gray.
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