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00:05:23CIA-8New commit by rasher (r24391): Add a templates dir in preparation of moving to using smarty to get cleaner code. Move apps and tools under a rockbox dir and add .htaccess files in ...
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01:18:57gitsterregarding translation (from the web UI), how would a potential contributor choose to leave some strings untranslated, not because s/he thinks it is better to leave them in English (in which case s/he can explicitly say "Compression" translates to "Compression") but because s/he is unsure?
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01:21:46AlexPgitster: I'd say leave them untouched
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01:22:39gitsterLeaving them untouched from the web UI seems to generate diff that explicitly states "'Compression' ought to be translated as 'Compression'", hence my question.
01:23:50AlexPah, not sure then
01:24:03AlexPrasher is your man for translation questions :)
01:24:09gitsterAnother question is what if there is a larger issue with the translation framework.
01:24:19AlexPsuch as?
01:24:34gitsterSpecifically, "of" as in "3 of 7"−−-third item out of total of seven.
01:25:01AlexPWhat's the issue?
01:25:34rasherThere isn't any way (currently anyway) to mark a string as "I haven't tried to translate this". Best is to just make a note of the id and mention this when you submit the patch
01:25:51rasherWe'll then delete it from the file we commit
01:26:21gitsterTranslating only "of" to a language in which that is usually expressed as "out-of-7 the 3rd one" (I am thinking about Japanese specifically) needs both (1) swapping the words before and after "or", and (2) adding a few words after the whole assembly.
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01:26:54rasherYeah, we currently have no way of doing this
01:27:16gitsterA work-around I have in mind is simply to punt and write it out as "3/7", which would be understandable.
01:27:20saratogayou could edit the .patch file it gives you to not have those changes in it
01:27:28AlexPgitster: I suspect ideas/patches to improve that would be welcome :)
01:27:42rasherIf our printf implementation allowed positional parameters it could be done
01:28:36rasherBut as of now, we have no such luxury
01:28:47rasherso 3 / 7 is probably the best you can do
01:29:34gitsterit also is short and sweet, which is a big plus for people with small players (I love rockbox on my Clip ;-). Thanks for rockbox, everybody ;-)
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01:40:13CIA-8New commit by rasher (r24392): Forgot to include this file in the import.
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01:44:08CIA-8New commit by rasher (r24393): Convert the frontpage to use smarty rather than terrible mixed code/layout.
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02:09:20bluebrotherlinuxstb: thanks. I'm quite sure it's possible to fix that code, but I just wanted to get it in as-is for now. It's definitely on my todo list.
02:09:52bluebrotherI've already figured which key in the configuration tree I'm interested in, I just need to find out how to check it
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02:22:08andrewRBhey, is there anybody around who could explain what happened to mktccboot, or if mkboot can be used instead, please?
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02:26:11andrewRBah I see, it's simply been moved from tools/ to rbutil/
02:26:15andrewRBthanks a lot =)
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02:27:06stripwaxsaratoga - got a couple more tweaks, now 0.6MHz slower than trunk
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02:27:35stripwaxwill commit shortly.
02:27:50saratogaunfortunately i don't have my sansa with me and am snowed in so i can't test much
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02:28:23stripwaxI'll try and also see how much MHz is spent on the bitreversing and on the mdct pre/post twiddles (to see if it's worth optimising any of that at all)
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02:46:45CIA-8New commit by rasher (r24394): Sync Danish translation.
02:47:35CIA-8New commit by rasher (r24395): Sync Danish translation.
02:48:26CIA-8New commit by rasher (r24396): Forgot to commit this file for the move to smarty for the frontpage.
02:50:53CIA-8New commit by rasher (r24397): Complete the move of apps and tools into the rockbox subdir.
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03:05:32CIA-8New commit by stripwax (r24398): Remove dead code. Optimised ARM asm fft8, and inlined for fft16 benefits. BUTTERFLIES and TRANSFORM_EQUAL tweaked for ARM also (additional tweak: ...
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03:40:18JdGordonok who broke RTL languages!?
03:44:10mc2739should r24389 and r24390 be applied to the 3.5 branch?
03:45:09JdGordonand 94 if they wernt
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03:46:09mc2739r24394 was (r24395)
03:46:35JdGordonwould you like to do the honours?
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03:50:26JdGordonnick changes should be channel local :p
03:50:31*JdGordon appologises
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03:54:17CIA-8New commit by mc2739 (r24399): Hebrew language update by: Tomer Shalev
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03:55:57CIA-8New commit by mc2739 (r24400): Update Dutch translation by: Peter D'Hoye
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04:08:46CIA-8New commit by jdgordon (r24401): Fix RTL list handing when not loading a custom base skin.
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04:21:26stripwaxsaratoga - I think this is 0.20MHz faster than trunk now .. :) And that's still without any major clever tricks (all that twiddle unification we talked about is still not done; more just unrolling and simplifying some loops)
04:22:05CIA-8New commit by stripwax (r24402): Oops, fix compilation on regular targets
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04:26:59stripwaxsaratoga - hm, but something seems screwed up with WMA playback. Maybe I never actually really tested that. vorbis seems to work fine.
04:28:29CIA-8New commit by stripwax (r24403): Unrolling some loops unlocks extra performance; Prerotate twiddles now using the same trig table as FFT for memory reduction (and performance boost ...
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04:34:12stripwaxUgh. vorbis doesn't quite work fine either
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04:45:31CIA-8New commit by stripwax (r24404): Fix audio glitches/stupid bugs
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05:21:12saratogastripwax: great :)
05:22:00saratogai wonder what performance is like on Coldfire
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07:10:44ballI just got "Data abort at 01E87844 (0)" (iPod mini Rev 1, Rockbox 3.3)
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07:11:27JdGordonupdate to at least 3.4 then
07:11:35JdGordonpreferably the 3.5 RC
07:13:05ballI'll wait for a while to see whether it does that again. Otherwise it has been great for me.
07:15:47S_a_i_n_twhat does the "RC" stand for?
07:15:54JdGordonrelease candidate
07:16:09JdGordonball: 3.3 is more than 6 months old. You really should update anyway
07:16:21S_a_i_n_tAh, that makes sense...thanks.
07:16:58S_a_i_n_tball: at least to 3.4 anyway.
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07:18:59ballI only rebuilt my iPod recently, so I wonder why I didn't get 3.4 then
07:19:04*ball checks
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07:21:16ballHmm... I have it here on my hard disk.
07:21:31ballAnything involved in installing it, or do I just unzip it to the root of my iPod?
07:23:37ball <−− not found
07:24:17JdGordonyeah, a bunch of targets had files renamed
07:25:19saratogait looks like theres no manual at all for the 1g in 3.4
07:25:28saratoganot that it matters now that 3.5 is about to come out
07:25:59saratogaactually why do we even have a g1 vs. g2 manual, aren't the devices identical aside from the internals
07:26:05JdGordonB4gder: it lookes like the gigabeatfx builds have screwed up filenames in
07:26:11ballI suppose it would be more helpful for me to get 3.5RC
07:26:18ball...and provide feedback about that.
07:26:23JdGordonyes :)
07:27:29 Quit BHSPitLappy (Ping timeout: 240 seconds), the battery seems shot on my iPod
07:28:03ballJdGordon: how do I manually install that?
07:28:12JdGordonjust unzip it onto your ipod
07:28:41*ball breaks out the Firewire cable
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07:30:07ballI don't see 3.5 RC on the Web site.
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07:31:35JdGordonlink in the channel topic
07:33:11ballS_a_i_n_t: thanks
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07:34:06ballAh, I think I just realized why I didn't get 3.4
07:34:13S_a_i_n_tI guess there's no Nano 2g RC build because it's still "unstable"...correct?
07:34:24S_a_i_n_tball: why?
07:34:46JdGordonS_a_i_n_t: correct
07:36:13S_a_i_n_tApparently I'm the *only* one that finds it relatively stable...with the exception of USB HID
07:36:35ballS_a_i_n_t: because I downloaded it on my new desktop machine, but I can only use my iPod with my old desktop machine (different OS)
07:36:39TheSevenS_a_i_n_t: It's quite stable for me, too
07:36:47ball...and I never got around to moving it to the old machine.
07:37:12TheSevenHID and loads of storage traffic at the same time don't work quite well, but don't really fail either (just laggy etc.)
07:37:34ballNow building unzip
07:37:40TheSevenand once I had a USB disconnect triggered by the HID, but i can't reproduce it
07:37:42S_a_i_n_tTheSeven: I *really* want to have your eBabies for showing me that DirCache fix....fix up USB HID for me and I'll up that level to proclaiming you as my new God :D
07:37:55TheSevenbut that's it, the rest is working perfectly fine for me
07:38:01TheSevenhowever, I'm not using an official build
07:38:31ballI wonder if unzip uses SIMD
07:38:47TheSevenas long as I don't use the HID while copying around loads of files, it works for me
07:39:14TheSevenwhat kind of (mis)behavior is it showing on yours?
07:40:16S_a_i_n_tTheSeven: 0 byte drivesize, no volume lable...
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07:40:39S_a_i_n_tIt's fine if I turn HID off
07:40:49ballShould I remove my existing .rockbox first?
07:40:57ball...before unzipping 3.5 RC?
07:41:02S_a_i_n_tball: you can just write over it
07:41:13ballS_a_i_n_t: thanks
07:41:28ballDo I need to change the bootloader thing at all?
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07:43:06ballVersion: r24355:24359M-10
07:43:06S_a_i_n_tTheSeven: could you PM me a link to the build you're using for 2g? I'd like to play "spot the difference"
07:44:55TheSevenS_a_i_n_t: some minor patches (like the dircache one), clock scaling and undervolting
07:45:06ballThanks S_a_i_n_t. I'll report back any oddities that I notice.
07:46:44S_a_i_n_tTheSeven: You don't happen to remember the tracker numbers for those just off-hand do you?
07:47:17TheSevenS_a_i_n_t: I'll quickly boot my linux box and make a diff
07:47:29S_a_i_n_tThanks man.
07:47:39S_a_i_n_tNo rush, but I do appreciate it.
07:47:52TheSevenbut I haven't touch anything HID-related, if you're hunting for that ;-)
07:48:00TheSevenhow exactly is the hid failing for you?
07:48:41TheSeven(gevaerts recently said he spotted some bug in there that isn't trivial to fix, so I'm not sure if this could be related)
07:49:26ballHID == Human Interface Device?
07:49:33S_a_i_n_twith HID on, the drive reports as 0bytes in explorer, I can't copy *anything* to it (as it apparently doesn't exist...*sigh*) and it has no volume lable. It is detected as "Unknown Device"..or similar.
07:49:41S_a_i_n_tI can't remember *exactly*
07:49:48TheSevenball: yes
07:50:11ballTrying to get the buttons to work on a new hardware platform?
07:50:25TheSevenhm, I would really like to see a bus trace of that.
07:51:09S_a_i_n_tMy linux box is in pieces ATM...anything usefull I can do for the cause on my WinSys?
07:51:21TheSevenI have some traces of something similar happening on linux, but once again, I'm not sure if it's the same cause (and I haven't spotted the cause on that one either)
07:51:47TheSevenyou could try tracking it down using snoopypro or sysnucleus usbtrace
07:52:20TheSevenbut i'm not sure if you'll see what's happening or if it crashes too early during enumeration
07:52:29ballPerhaps it's just me, but 3.5 RC seems to lack the hyphen between title and artist. No great loss there.
07:52:31S_a_i_n_tI've managed to fix a few peioples problems on the rbforum just by saying "turn HID off" shouldn't be enabled by default for this port IMO
07:52:40ball(they're on separate lines on this player anyway)
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07:53:59TheSevenS_a_i_n_t: I would rather like to work out what's going wrong with it in the first place, and especially why it is working perfectly for me.
07:54:06ballI wonder how the clickwheel thing on an iPod mini shows up to the processor
07:54:24TheSevenand, as I said, gevaerts mentioned a more general issue with the HID that could affect all targets
07:54:30ballfive SPST buttons and some sort of trackpad?
07:54:57TheSevenball: five buttons and a 96-step value
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07:55:36ballTheSeven: Thanks.
07:55:50ballOn gpio pins?
07:56:29TheSevenno, the buttons are connected to the same chip that's doing the finger tracking, which in turn is connected to the processor via SPI
07:57:04S_a_i_n_tI've had *absolutely-not-a-single-damn-problem* with HID on my Nano 1g's
07:57:07ballThat must have been fun to figure out.
07:57:24TheSevenball: that was an easy one
07:57:27ballDoes that finger-tracking chip do anything else?
07:57:37ball...or is that its sole purpose in life?
07:57:52TheSevenwell, finger tracking, button reporting, and it seems to handle the reset on a long press of menu and select
07:58:08TheSevenit's located on the clickwheel itself, not on the pcb
07:58:40S_a_i_n_tball: if you take it out and lick it, it tells your future via a psycadelic hallucination :P
07:58:41ballDoes that chip appear on any other platforms, or is it an Apple-specific thing?
07:58:44S_a_i_n_tjk :D
07:59:00TheSevenafaik it's something apple-specific, manuafactured by synaptics
07:59:43ballDidn't some of the original iPods have a physical rotating wheel, rather than the clickwheel thing?
08:00:20S_a_i_n_tit looked like a wheel, but was just buttons afaik
08:00:28TheSevenno idea, don
08:00:29S_a_i_n_tlike a d-pad
08:00:33TheSevendon't have such an old thing
08:00:43TheSevenbut yes, they switched manufacturers in the past
08:02:55S_a_i_n_tTheSeven: SnoopyPro 0.22 what I'm looking for?
08:03:24ballI suppose having a separate chip for the buttons helped them change things up between variants without having to redo the whole MCU...and perhaps even the firmware.
08:03:35ball...though I daresay they recompiled that anyway.
08:03:51TheSevenS_a_i_n_t: yes
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08:05:18ballIs Ogg/Vorbis playback any more demanding in terms of CPU power than MP3?
08:05:30TheSevenball: the other way round, IIRC
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08:06:31TheSevenIIRC this depends on the particular encoding, but it will use significantly less CPU than MP3, even though it may use much more RAM (on some files)
08:08:35ballTheSeven: interesting. Does it require floating point hardware?
08:08:50ball(either MP3 or Ogg/Vorbis?)
08:08:53TheSevenno, it doesn't
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08:09:01TheSevenyour ipod doesn't even have floating point hardware
08:09:28ballFixed point?
08:09:47ball...or just integer?
08:09:57TheSevenno idea, I'm no codec expert
08:10:51ballDo most personal media players use ARM cores?
08:12:55TheSeventhere are some few rockbox target with coldfire, mips or sh processors though
08:15:05ballsh3 or sh4?
08:16:31ballOooh... wonder if there was a Rockbox port to Itsy. :-)
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08:19:30ball3.5 RC seems to be playing these Ogg/Vorbis files nicely anyway.
08:20:37ballI used to think perhaps things like the iPod had discrete MP3 decode chips in them, but it sounds as though that's not the case.
08:23:09ballI take that back. Wikipedia suggests there are audio decoder chips from Cirrus Logic or Wolfson
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08:26:29JdGordonthe cheap and old ones do
08:26:33JdGordonmost don't though
08:26:36tmztnope, pcm codecs
08:26:45tmztbut later iPods do have dsps of sorts
08:27:32balltmzt: on the same die as the ARM core?
08:27:38tmztItsy? it could work, don't know of any sa1100 or pxa25x targets though
08:28:04tmztI knid of want to port to motoq since I don't use it as phone but that's not quite practical
08:28:18tmztball: what device?
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08:31:25*JdGordon is so close to fm screen skins... stupid hwcodec recording is getting in the bloody way though :/
08:31:34balltmzt: I don't have anything Itsy, except perhaps an iPaq that I've never fixed.
08:31:59tmztItsy is only the sa1100 iPaq I think
08:32:06tmztit's a code name
08:33:58balltmzt: Itsy was a series of research prototypes, also released schematics and code
08:34:07ballI'll see if I can find some pictures.
08:34:17tmztright okay
08:34:21tmztfrom DEC?
08:35:41*ball nods
08:35:53ballSwallowed by Compaq, swallowed in turn by HP
08:36:01ball...swallowed by small dogs.
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08:37:57ballThat looks like one of the later prototypes
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08:41:43ballIt's 01:41. I should go to bed.
08:41:50ballI have to be up again for work.
08:42:02ballThanks for your help everyone.
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09:10:05podkastmy mp3 player has not been used in about 4 months and now i've recharged it and turned it on but when I connect my gigabeat via usb, windows makes a sound as if it recognized that something was connected but then says usb device not recognized... is there any way to fix this? I am able to access rockbox from the device
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11:35:50AlexPgevaerts: You there?
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11:37:35AlexPFor the manual, if you can press a button on USB insert to charge, it is dependent on usb_charging, which is from #if defined(HAVE_USB_POWER) in features.txt
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11:38:10AlexPHowever it is inside #if CONFIG_CHARGING which isn't defined for the 1G nano, even though HAVE_USB_POWER is
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11:38:54AlexPAs a result, usb_charging doesn't appear for e.g. the 1G nano, so the section on holding select when inserting USB doesn't appear in the manual
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11:40:34pixelmawasn't there a fix recently (though I didn't follow what was changed exactly)
11:40:37AlexPSo, question: Should HAVE_USB_POWER only be possible if CONFIG_CHARGING is true? If so, then I guess we need an additional define for the hold button when inserting USB bit in the manual
11:40:49Torneit sounds like it was changed incorrectly
11:42:03AlexPTorne: Should both HAVE_USB_POWER and HAVE_USB_CHARGING_ENABLE both be inside #if CONFIG_CHARGING in features.txt?
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11:42:23TorneHm, actually that sounds right
11:42:24AlexPSeeing as it doesn't appear to be dependant in the actual target config file
11:42:37pixelmaAlexP: same would apply to the Ondios (which don't have charging (usually powered by alkalines) but can be run off USB power
11:42:52TorneOh, hmm..
11:43:13AlexPTorne: Yet in ipodnano1g.h HAVE_USB_POWER is defined, but CONFIG_CHARGING isn't
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11:44:56TorneThat seems wrong :)
11:45:00AlexPpixelma: Exactly
11:45:10Torneafaik charging/power works the same for all the PP ipods except the 1-3g
11:45:23Tornei would expect nano1g to work identically to mini/video/etc
11:45:42AlexPTorne: As pixelma says, the features.txt thing (or the manual opt) is also wrong for ondios
11:46:31Torneyah, the manual thing should probably be rearranged
11:46:31AlexPTorne: Yes, CONFIG_CHARGING is enabled for e.g. mini
11:46:43Tornebut the fact that it's not defined on nano1g also seems wrong
11:46:57Jaykayi'm trying to complete the german lang-file, and i have some questions... why does cowond2 and mrobe500 have multiple buttons in LANG_CONFIRM_WITH_BUTTON? and why doesn't archosplayer have the " = Yes"?
11:47:01Tornei'm not certain though
11:47:02pixelmaUSB power is not dependent on USB charging in my eyes, rather the other way around, with the exeption that not all targets that can be powered over USB can charge over USB. The problem is that there are also different ways to charge (which is why it is CONFIG_CHARGING)
11:47:24Tornewell for the manual it's probably sufficient to remove the outer one?
11:47:43AlexPIt comes from features.txt - what else does that do?
11:47:57Tornebeyond me i'm afraid :)
11:48:33pixelmaJaykay: the two are touch screen targets with additional physical buttons, so mention both. But I almost have a German update ready too
11:48:49Jaykayah, ok :)
11:49:11pixelmais the archosplayer thing in the same lang string?
11:51:13pixelmaah - it probably doesn't have the "= yes" so that the string doesn't need to scroll. The Archos Player can only display 11 characters (IIRC) on one line
11:51:16AlexPThe only place in the manual that usb_charging is used for this section
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11:52:11Jaykaypixelma: can i help you with the translation?
11:52:15AlexPFor me, it shouldn't be dependent on CONFIG_CHARGING
11:52:26pixelmaJaykay: do you have an idea for "base skin" and especially "remote base skin"?
11:52:34AlexPBut I don't know if anything else will be affected if I change features.txt
11:53:55Jaykaypixelma: no :) what does it mean? i don't know where it is used
11:54:51stripwaxWould anyone happen to know .. on pp502x, if I'm reordering/shuffling a small buffer, is it faster to LDMIA and STR, or LDR and STMIA? (And does the answer depend on if it's in iram or not)
11:56:14pixelmaAlexP: depends on whether this feature is used in the .lang files (so a string used in some menu or splash screen)
11:56:39AlexPHow do I check that?
11:56:59AlexPYou mean if it actually appears in a .lang?
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11:58:09pixelmaJaykay: setting an sbs/rsbs file which defines the look of menus, browsers, etc. (anything but the WPS currently)
12:00:11AlexPpixelma: I can find usb_charging_enable but not usb_charging in the .lang files, but I don't know if I should be looking there directly
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12:03:08Jaykayisn't the look of menus/browsers also defined in the theme-cfg?
12:04:50Jaykaypixelma: i think this isn't translatable without causing confusion with "themeneinstellungen" because it's also a kind of theme
12:06:01pixelmano, it's not the same. The SBS file is like a WPS for menus and lists - just with a viewport assigned for the list part.
12:07:32CIA-8New commit by torne (r24405): Enable ATA DMA on pp5020 based players with ATA drives. ...
12:07:36pixelmayou can even use the same tags when creating an SBS and e.g. if you use a %X there it would take priority over a backdrop you would set with the "set as backdrop"
12:08:58pixelmaAlexP: the usb_power inside the config charging seems to be there to differentiate between charging from USB and from a charger - the whole thing looks quite convoluted
12:09:43pixelmawrong - there is no usb_power
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12:10:28AlexPyeah - HAVE_USB_POWER enabling usb_charging seems a bit odd
12:10:30pixelmamaybe it's worth intoducing such a thing? Though I might be a bit confused
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12:10:51AlexPI can't find anywhere usb_charging is used except for this one manual section
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12:14:47pixelmaaren't the CONFIG_* defines used for when you have more than one possibility? And then you could check for whether CONFIG_CHARGING is USB_CHARGING or so (just from the top of my head, would have to look that up)?
12:15:21TorneHmm, checkwps for m100 has warnings after my DMA commit
12:15:26Tornei can't see any way that could possibly happen ;)
12:15:42pixelmaand usb power would be a seperate thing
12:16:44Torneany guesses?
12:17:57CIA-8New commit by teru (r24406): Update Japanese translation
12:19:04TheSevenTorne: blame it on the build worker
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12:19:13TheSeven"/home/rbclient/trunk/tools/configure: line 197: test: -gt: unary operator expected"
12:19:18TheSeventhat doesn't look sane...
12:19:35pixelmameh, I forgot about the "use mp3 talk clips" (or similar) which mentions mp3 for all targets currently and I wanted to take that out :(
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12:23:50TheSevengevaerts: wtf has happened here?;type=ondavx767#prob1
12:24:31pixelmait's probably too late now to fix that in english.lang for the release :/
12:26:58rasherI'd say so
12:27:31pixelmateru: are you going to update the release branch too?
12:27:50terupixelma: yes
12:28:00rasherTheSeven: I'm inclined to blame his many cores (if that's the client with the many cores)
12:29:17pixelmaand for someone who has access to the CIA bot setup - as far as I know it is able to mention the branch too (at least I saw that in other projects which mainly use git though), seems to be an interesting info here too
12:29:23CIA-8New commit by teru (r24407): Update Japanese translation
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12:32:37landenI mostly use rockbox (in car h140) in shuffle mode, but sometimes I switch to unshuffled when I want to listen to the whole album when a certain song comes up. When I load a playlist with tracks ABCDEF, play it shuffled and then unshuffle it while track D is playing, I get a new playlist DEFABCD. This ways it's nearly impossible (I'm driving) to go back to tracks ABC & D (in reality this is...
12:32:39landen...a playlist with thousands of songs).
12:33:22landenIs there any chance of getting this fixed? Would others consider it worth fixing?
12:37:06gevaertsTheSeven: I've seen that one before I think. If I remember correctly, we concluded back then that the dependency generation doesn't handle this "../lib/ffmpeg_bitstream.o" well. is an 8-core machine, so it's more sensitive to dependency issues than average
12:38:18TheSevengevaerts: that file was compiled *twice*, and both were *way* above
12:40:06Tornelanden: that behaviour is probably intended..
12:40:31gevaertsAlexP: I don't actually know much more about this than you. I recently fixed a fix there, but that's about it
12:41:03pixelmalooks like the fixed fix needs to be fixed
12:41:12landenTorne: I'm sure of it, but for me it would be really nice if it could be changed (or configured like "Play Selected First")
12:41:56AlexPgevaerts: Do you know what else features.txt is used for?
12:42:38stripwaxlanden - if you unshuffle it while track D is playing, what do you expect the playlist to actually look like? (could turning on 'Repeat' do what you need, if you want to play the whole playlist)
12:42:41pixelmalanguage strings (menus ans system info/ splashes)
12:43:21AlexPI don't know the best way to "fix" this
12:43:23pixelmabut not always, people started to use it for manual only features
12:43:33landenstripwax: I would expect it to be ABCDEF with D playing, and, no, repeat doesn't help (unless I wait a few hundred tracks)
12:43:37AlexPyeah, as there is no other nicer way
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12:44:39stripwaxlanden - right, but when you unshuffle it and the playlist is ABCDEF with D playing, what do you do (or what do you want/need to do) that you couldn't do some other way
12:44:48landenI'm looking a playlist.c, but I don't really see where this behavior is coded (I'm a php coder, so that's not saying much)
12:45:39stripwaxe.g. if you want to replay from track A, you have to hit 'Prev' four times. Which you could do some other way even if the playlist is DEFABC
12:46:35landenstripwax: I have my tracks arranged in artists/albums. When I here a track I like in shuffled mode and I want to hear the whole album. So I unshuffle and press prev until I'm on the first track. Then I play the whole album. (this answers your last question)
12:46:50landenBut that doesn't work
12:46:52gevaertsAlexP: IIRC it has three uses: (1) language, (2) the manual, (3) rockbox-info.txt. The latter is mainly used for boasting I think, and possibly by rbutil when building voices (but that's mostly guessing)
12:47:04stripwaxlanden - gotcha
12:47:47stripwaxlanden - I can't think of a good reason why the existing behaviour is like it is
12:47:54pixelmagevaerts: I think you are right for voice creation - but not only for the utility but also if you "make voice"s
12:48:21gevaertsah, good :)
12:48:26AlexPgevaerts: There are a couple of options - I could move the usb_charging bit out of the CHARGING_ENABLE
12:48:26*gevaerts likes guessing correctly
12:48:41AlexPOr create e.g. usb_power based on HAVE_USB_POWER
12:48:49landenstripwax: I can think of one. When you're playing the last track shuffled, and you switch back to unshuffled you'd be straight at the end of the playlist.
12:49:12AlexPit seems odd that usb_charging depends on HAVE_USB_POWER
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12:49:24landenstripwax: could be annoying in some rare instances
12:49:56pixelmaAlexP: it's not - there is charging and usb_charging
12:50:36AlexPpixelma: yes, and usb_charging depends on HAVE_USB_POWER
12:50:42AlexPNote the charging then power
12:51:04stripwaxlanden - in my opinion, and I cannot speak for other developers, if you shuffle and unshuffle a playlist, you should get back the same playlist you started with. Regardless which track is playing, etc.
12:51:20pixelmayes, to differentiate between charging from a charger and from USB
12:51:23landenstripwax: I agree :)
12:51:36AlexPpixelma: power does not imply charging
12:51:47AlexPpixelma: so why does *charging* come from *power*
12:52:22pixelmaas I understand it, the most important part is the USB there
12:52:25gevaertsAlexP: the language files only use usb_charging_enable (except thai, which funman broke in r24247), so fixing usb_charging is safe there. The manual only uses usb_charging in the "hold this button" bit
12:52:32landenstripwax: So, any chance of getting this fixed?
12:52:38AlexPgevaerts: Yes, that's what I found
12:52:53stripwaxTorne - can you think of a use case where it's desirable unshuffling gives you a different playlist than what you started with? If it's just so that the currently playling track is the first one, I'm not sure that's a useful feature
12:52:57AlexPgevaerts: So what do you reckon?
12:53:18Tornestripwax: i dunno. i guess it means you will actually get every track after you turn shuffle off..
12:53:26AlexPstripwax: I agree with you
12:53:30stripwaxlanden - in theory :) can you start by putting something into the bug tracker
12:53:34TorneI didn't mean i thought it should be that way, just that it seems like an unlikely thing to happen by accident
12:53:47gevaertsAlexP: move it out of #if CONFIG_CHARGING at least, and possibly rename to usb_power
12:53:54landenstripwax: I'll do that right away
12:54:01AlexPgevaerts: OK, that's what I think too
12:54:24stripwaxTorne - I think it's quite possibly an accident, but I can take a look through the playlist code (sometime, not soon though)
12:54:37stripwaxTorne - btw, if you want to get every track after you turn shuffle off, then just turn on repeat..
12:55:22stripwax(which is actually what I originally thought landen's issue was :)
12:55:39gevaertsAlexP: changing the name might be a bit tricky right now, since we're hoping to get translations, and as r24247 illustrates, translation updates can break things again unless we're careful
12:56:31Torneif you hit previous track ont eh first track with repeat on, does it go to the end?
12:56:34AlexPgevaerts: I thought usb_charging wasn't used?
12:56:38landenTorne: It could be that some people prefer it that way, I'd vote to make it a setting
12:56:44AlexPgevaerts: In langs that is
12:56:53CIA-8New commit by gevaerts (r24409): Fix usb_charging_enable feature which was broken by r24247
12:56:59gevaertsAlexP: oh, right. Go ahead
12:57:01Tornelanden: well adding a new setting is only worth it if it's a desirable behaviour
12:57:14Torneif nobody can think of a good reason to care then it's not worth having :)
12:57:45landenI guess I've been convincing ;)
12:59:32CIA-8New commit by gevaerts (r24410): Fix usb_charging_enable feature which was broken by r24247
13:00:12S_a_i_n_tout of does one "unshuffle" a playlist? I very rarely even use shuffle..and if I do, I just keep it that way.
13:00:15S_a_i_n_tjust curious.
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13:00:51landenshall I mention the fact that you guys agreed in the bug report?
13:01:19landenSaint: Press the A->B button and then arrow left.
13:01:34gevaertslanden: make sure you mention exaclty who agreed if you do :)
13:01:37AlexPgevaerts: Do you know if we have a define to distinguish between usb power and usb charging?
13:01:57S_a_i_n_tA->B button?!?
13:02:03*S_a_i_n_t has an ipod...
13:02:05gevaertsAlexP: I don't think we do
13:02:25landenI use shuffle all the time because when I'm driving I can't fiddle around to get the albums I want.
13:02:37landensaint:Sorry bout that...
13:02:43AlexPI guess I should have an additional opt for ondio here then, as it doesn't charge so the title "USB Charging" is somewhat misleading
13:02:47S_a_i_n_they :P
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13:03:55gevaertsS_a_i_n_t: you can't unshuffle a playlist, but you can switch playback between shuffled and unshuffled
13:04:01*gevaerts probably didn't make that clear
13:04:17landenWell, I filed teh report:
13:04:55S_a_i_n_tAh, right...that seemed misleading the way I was thinking about we're just talking about turning shuffle on or off?
13:05:31gevaertshm, this sounds familiar...
13:05:34S_a_i_n_tgevaerts: it *seemed* clear..I think I got it anyway.
13:06:14landenYou just set Shuffle to No, but I figure it would then unshuffle the list in the background.
13:06:36S_a_i_n_tI've never really noticed it didn't actually
13:06:50landenat least sort_playlist() is called in the code
13:07:42LansTorne around?
13:07:51S_a_i_n_tI hardly use shuffle, I'm one of those people that's realy anal about what they listen to, and I'm always skipping through to find a specific track.
13:08:24gevaertsIt looks a bit similar to FS #10945
13:08:40gevaertsuh, no
13:08:48gevaertsFS #10288
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13:10:44gevaertsAlexP: looks good, except for one detail. IIRC that "Charging" title is the only place the word "charging" appears in that block. You might want to make it reappear somewhere in the text to help searching
13:11:10gevaertsPeople miss this bit in the manual often enough as it is :)
13:11:37AlexPI can add a nopt to get rid of the ondio
13:12:02gevaerts\nopt{ondio}{CHARGING! LOOK FOR THIS BIT!}
13:12:03LansIs it possible to add a volume increment to the wake-up alarm on the Apple Nano 1st gen?
13:12:17pixelmaAlexP: you would need to add the \Action to the Ondio keymap files. It is the Mode button (I believe it's called \ButtonMenu there thouhj)
13:12:20Lansipod* nano
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13:13:10gevaertspixelma, AlexP: it's called BUTTON_MENU in the source at least
13:13:17AlexPOK, cheers
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13:14:11AlexPpixelma: It already exists
13:15:11gevaertsLans: you mean as in starting with volume set to minimum, and then gradually increasing until you reach the normal (configured) level?
13:15:28pixelmamaybe there is a different part of the manual where it is already used?
13:15:52Lansgevaerts: Yes, but not to normal, to maximum until the user turns it off by pushing a button.
13:16:11Lans(for sound sleepers)
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13:16:36landenSaint: You would've liked the original iriver H100 firmware. It had a shuffle mode but it was ALWAYs the same. Drove me nuts ;)
13:16:36S_a_i_n_tLans: that actually sounds like a good idea.
13:17:00LansIt seemed obvious to me, but i don't even know how to look at the code, let alone write it :(
13:17:04gevaertsIt's definitely possible to add that I think, only I think this "to maximum" is dangerous...
13:17:11pixelmaAlexP: I remember having it in my list of things to fix when I started working on the manual
13:17:16LansMaybe add a user defined max limit?
13:18:02S_a_i_n_tgevaerts: howabot "to line level"?
13:18:50yzflcyqI've created a new FS about Chinese translation.
13:18:51LansAlso, hooking the ipod to a recharger makes it... boot up, every time it poweres off. This cancels any wake-up timers. Could this powering on be stopped?
13:19:07gevaertsS_a_i_n_t: on line-out, line level *is* normal, on headphone-out, line level is undefined
13:19:30TorneLans: yes
13:19:55LansLo Torne, yes what?
13:20:09S_a_i_n_tLans: it should've *just* gone in the manual....or soon anyway
13:20:28Lanshow to stop the ipod from powering on?
13:20:38S_a_i_n_thold select while pluging in the dock connector
13:20:46TorneLans: you asked if i was here
13:21:01TorneS_a_i_n_t: no
13:21:08Torneno, you can't stop the ipod powering on while docked
13:21:38S_a_i_n_t*slaps forhead*...getting two things confused.
13:22:39LansRight, Torne, remember about 2 weeks ago when i asked about the sleep timer / wape-up alarm thing?
13:23:38LansTurns out they work just fine together, as long as you aren't recharging the ipod. But the start up volume is the same as the volume you had it at for the sleep timer function.
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13:24:05LansMeaning, if you're a hard man to wake up, the wake-up timer isn't all too useful.
13:24:16LansUnless you have the thing blaring out music during the sleep timer.
13:25:15Tornewell, yes :)
13:25:38Tornenoboyd has fixed the manual bug yet but it's still there :)
13:25:57LansBut, if i can take gevaerts word for it, it should be possible to add a volume increment to the wake-up timer.
13:26:07Torneit's *possible* to do any number of things
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13:26:53Torneit's not possible to stop the ipod coming on when there is power connected, though
13:26:57Tornethe hardware does htat
13:27:24LansI can live with that, just make sure the thing has enough juice to last a while and it'll do just fine.
13:30:15LansSo would it be any use to add a feature request for the volume increment then?
13:31:32AlexPan opt in the section doesn't work
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13:33:13Tornewe don't have feature requests :)
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13:33:59Lans <−− I see a couple of em, don't see any way to add my own though
13:34:10AlexPThat is as they no longer exist
13:34:27Lans... Looking at their dates, i have to agree
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13:37:37S_a_i_n_tLans: in case you didn't get it, there's no "feature requests"...only "feature ideas"
13:37:46S_a_i_n_trequest implies it'll be done.
13:38:09TheSevenliar: around?
13:39:47LansS_a_i_n_t: I got it.
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13:47:16liarTheSeven: yes
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13:49:04TheSevenliar: any idea what's going on with the nand reset?
13:49:27TheSevennot waiting long enough? or really failing?
13:49:36liarTheSeven: no idea... and i cant reproduce it on my 3 nanos
13:49:55TheSevenshould we just ignore that and commit it (without the panicf) or keep trying to figure out what's causing that?
13:50:16liari would say commit without panicf
13:51:28liarnand_wait_chip_ready this one times out
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13:51:50TheSevencould be that we issue the reset too soon after switching on power
13:52:09TheSevenwhat about retrying the reset, and if it still fails, bailing out?
13:52:35gevaertsLans: there's the feature ideas section on the forums. It's not really mean as a feature requests place, i.e. you're expected to actually explain your idea and help define exactly what it should do. No guarantees though, as usual
13:53:14gevaertsAlexP: that works
13:54:09AlexPI'll commit it in a bit
13:54:27liarwe could try that. but we need someone with such an nano2g to test it
13:55:15liarthose bits are imediately 1 on my nano2g
13:55:22liarimediately set*
13:58:40S_a_i_n_tliar: what is the issue the nano should have, in order to test that?
13:58:59TheSevenS_a_i_n_t: flash not working with FS10775 applied
13:59:27TheSevengetting an error about bank resets failing on powerup
13:59:40liarS_a_i_n_t: *PANIC* nand_power_up: nand_reset(bank=%d) failed. with my patch from fs#10775
13:59:40S_a_i_n_twell, this is one of the cases where it's unfortunate I don't have that issue.....sorry
14:00:13S_a_i_n_tfrom what I gather, that only seems to be the 8GB
14:00:26S_a_i_n_tI have 2 and 4GB...both fine.
14:00:34TheSevenno idea what kind of nano the reporter of that issue has
14:00:38TheSeveni have an 8gb
14:00:52S_a_i_n_twell, that's that theory out the window.
14:00:58TheSevenliar: what about implementing a retry and then committing that?
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14:01:15TheSeventhe issue will either go away, or we'll get hold of affected people to debug it
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14:01:24S_a_i_n_tbut I'm kinda not surprised that your nano works fine TheSeven, being an iGod and all...
14:01:56TheSevenwell, if it doesn't work on mine, it won't get committed to SVN ;-)
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14:10:23liari think that would be a good way to find people with that problem :-)
14:10:38liarTheSeven: ?
14:10:44TheSevenwell, i hope there aren't too many
14:11:22liarotherwise a temporary fix could be removing that panicf
14:12:22TheSevendisconnect the light...
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14:14:15TheSeveni would like to have the "/* that one avoids data corruption */" removed, as it doesn't really do anything subtle or something...
14:14:32TheSevendocumenting fixed bugs isn't really neccessary
14:14:52TheSevenliar: Do you have SVN access? If yes, please commit it.
14:15:10liari dont have svn access
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14:39:01CIA-8New commit by amiconn (r24412): Several filetypes were added (more or less) recently so the array became full on HWCODEC.
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14:46:28CIA-8New commit by theseven (r24414): iPod Nano 2G NAND fixes by Franz-Josef Haider
14:46:43bertrikteru, nice green delta!
14:47:04Strife89r24405 basically means faster read speeds for some HDD targets, correct?;revision=24405
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14:53:42BuschelTorne: good to see the first parts of FS #9708 submitted :o)
14:56:26BuschelStrife89: It means that some targets have the potential for faster read transfers. For DMA the requests need to be cache aligned. Only the (seldom) DMA transfers are faster than PIO. Torne stated he is working on cache aligned reads now (FS #9708 also contains a proof-of-concept-patch for cache aligned buffering).
14:57:18Strife89Buschel: Understood. :)
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15:03:24Strife89I selected "mine_conflict" when I updated my copy of svn, and so far it's compiled correctly.
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15:04:59CIA-8New commit by alex (r24415): Show USB power not charging in the ondio manual, and rename usb_charging to usb_power as it is dependent on HAVE_USB_POWER.
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15:09:05Strife89Well, the compile was succesful.
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15:19:29S_a_i_n_twojtek12313: hello, is there something you're wanting to ask?
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15:27:46Strife89wojtek12313: Hey there. Is there something you'd like to ask? :)
15:27:59Strife89S_a_i_n_t: His ping time is off the charts. :/
15:28:15S_a_i_n_tI noticed... :D
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15:31:36wojtek12313well is available now version 3.5?
15:31:55S_a_i_n_twojtek12313: which target?
15:32:38TheSevenwojtek12313: 3.5 has not been released yet, but there are release candidate builds
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15:36:12wojtek12313sansa c200 v1
15:37:44wojtek12313awwh ok
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15:40:52*bluebroth3r also suggests reading the channel topic :)
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15:41:35wojtek12313how can I add news from to my blog?
15:42:12bluebrotherwojtek12313: see
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15:44:58CIA-8New commit by bluebrother (r24417): Remove old, outdated rbutil tarball creation script. ...
15:45:02CIA-8New commit by bluebrother (r24418): Rename About menu to Help. ...
15:45:06*S_a_i_n_t decides that pong probably shouldn't be included in clickwheel based targets until (the unlikely event that) it has AI
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15:50:22wojtek12313I have to put rss reader on my blog , dont I?
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16:00:24rasherbluebrother: that tarball creation script seems rather a lot more useful than what does
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16:01:36bluebrotherrasher: really? Is there something missing from that the old script does?
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16:01:56rasherbluebrother: as far as I can see, deploy-release simply tars up the entire source tree?
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16:03:18bluebrotherrasher: no. deploy-release gets only the needed part of the source tree (see the svnpaths array at the beginning) and tars up that. So it's not the entire source tree :)
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16:03:50rasherAh, fair enough
16:03:57rasherHow about .svn dirs?
16:04:39bluebrotherI wanted to not download more stuff than needed −− some folders are quite big. There won't be any .svn folders as it uses svn export.
16:04:58rasherAh, hurray then
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16:06:47CIA-8New commit by bluebrother (r24419): Fix typos in messages.
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16:38:13S_a_i_n_tliar: TheSeven: you there?
16:38:23liarS_a_i_n_t: yes
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16:39:45S_a_i_n_tfrom being fine at the last revision...I now get the NAND issues I've *NEVER* had before after the last commit I think...*Panic* nand_power_up: nand_reset (bank=2) failed.
16:40:08S_a_i_n_tfirst time ever...
16:40:32TheSevenso this time you *can* reproduce that error we've been guessing about some hours ago
16:40:49TheSevenwhen does it happen? immediately after/during booting? wouldn't be because of that fix you showed me the other day for DirCache would it?
16:40:59S_a_i_n_timmediately after bot.
16:41:07TheSevenno, it's not related to dircache
16:41:13TheSevenit's related to the patch I just committed
16:41:19S_a_i_n_trb splash for 1 sec or so, then panic.
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16:42:07liarhow many banks does your nand have?
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16:42:30S_a_i_n_tthis is the probably one? i'm not sure
16:43:15TheSevenprobably 2... at least i haven't seen 2gb ipods with 4 banks
16:43:27S_a_i_n_tWell, in a's kinda lucky I compiled and caught it so
16:43:29TheSevenso bank 2 is nonexistant, which would explain quite a lot
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16:43:44TheSevenbut why does it misdetect them during init?
16:44:00TheSevenS_a_i_n_t: do you have ibugger installed?
16:44:11TheSevenif yes, I would like to do a quick test
16:44:19S_a_i_n_tnope...sorry, I never got my head around compiling it :(
16:44:28TheSevenyou don't need to compile it
16:44:32TheSevenwhich platform are you on?
16:44:58S_a_i_n_tah, then where do I get it? I never got my head aroung IPL I should've said
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16:45:07S_a_i_n_tWin XP atm
16:46:00TheSevenok, then there are a few things you need to install
16:46:05TheSeven- libusb
16:46:07S_a_i_n_tIt was REALLY hard to get into disk mode for some reason seems to go to the splash REALLY fast?!?
16:46:10TheSeven- python 2.6
16:46:13S_a_i_n_tmaybe it's just me.
16:46:15TheSeven- pyusb
16:46:19TheSeven- the ibugger win32 driver
16:46:29TheSeven- the ibugger tools
16:47:17S_a_i_n_twould I have any of those already with a complete CygWin setup?
16:47:30TheSevenprobably not
16:47:41S_a_i_n_tah...this may take a while.
16:47:47TheSevenwell, it's a matter of running 3 installers and unzipping some files
16:48:11TheSevenor you do it on linux, if you have a linux box around, there it is a single apt-get and some unzipping
16:48:34S_a_i_n_tsome links would really help, only if you have them on hand thi\ough
16:48:57*S_a_i_n_t looks at his linux box in pieces and sighs...
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16:50:23TheSevenjust install those with the default settings
16:50:24bertrikmc2739, I see sansa e200v2 runtime is now an hour less ... too bad, I wonder if that's still within the "natural" variation between runtime benchmarks or something else
16:50:41TheSeventhen fetch and unzip theseven/releases/iBugger%20Windows%20Driver.7z">
16:50:46TheSevenwe'll need that later
16:51:01TheSevenfetch and install (using ipodpatcher) theseven/releases/iloader.ipodx">
16:51:05S_a_i_n_tI'll let you know when it's done.
16:51:17TheSevenfetch and unzip theseven/releases/UniBugger-">
16:51:51TheSevencopy nano2g\loader\loader.bin to your ipod as \iloader\ibugger.bin
16:52:05TheSeventhen safely remove your ipod, it should reboot
16:52:16TheSevenpress the menu key in the boot menu, it will boot ibugger
16:52:33TheSevenwindows will then ask you to install the driver, which is what you extracted above
16:52:48TheSevenonce you are at this point, or if you have any trouble, please let me know
16:52:57S_a_i_n_tThis should ultimately motivate me into compiling IPL as well I guess...I've been meaning to check it out for ages.
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17:21:56saratogastripwax: just noticed the new ffmpeg AAC-HE codec uses an FFT and an MDCT for doing SBR
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17:22:49saratogawe'd have to add support for the forward [rather then inverse] mdct though
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17:35:03saratogahmm actually it uses the inverse filterbank
17:36:54pixelmaI'd like to renew my suggestion to make the CIA bot announce the branch for a commit too. From what I see in other projects this should be possible, "just" needs someone who has access to the bot setup to change it
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17:37:27pamauryI really like dircache_get_entry !
17:37:28pamaurypath: Absolute path to a file or directory.
17:37:37pamaurylogbot: dircache_get_entry("")
17:37:50pamauryAnd it succeeds !
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17:52:48pamauryDoes someone want to review a dircache fix or can I commit it ?
17:53:39moospamaury: Slasheri is pretty the only one to had worked on it (he si the author)
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17:54:34pamaurySlasheri: do you want to review a dircache change ?
17:55:20moosI guess that you have heavily tested your changes? :)
17:55:37perfectdrughi, I just finished the SVG for the packard bell vibe 500, could someone tell me the naming sheme of this device in rockbox
17:56:17liarS_a_i_n_t: do you have problems with the setup?
17:56:49moosperfectdrug: DPBELL_VIBE500 ?
17:57:03S_a_i_n_tjust wondering if i use -a or -wf to install iloader.ipodx
17:57:09pamaurymoos: well dircache is quite delicate so I think that my changes would have triggered any obvious bug.
17:57:09S_a_i_n_t-a i guess?
17:57:35liarS_a_i_n_t: -wf
17:57:59moospamaury: if you want to makes things better, don't hold your breath :)
17:58:22S_a_i_n_t./ipodpatcher.exe -wf iloader.ipodx?
17:58:36pamauryOk, I'll try and crush me if you run into a bug.
17:58:42liarS_a_i_n_t: yes
17:58:45moosif the changes are delicate enough, you can still open a FS task and ask for testing (+ping Slasheri)
17:58:50perfectdrugmoos: I'm not quite sure, I thought there was a general rule after the device-naming change
17:58:57linuxstbS_a_i_n_t: You would normally do -a (to keep the Apple firmware)
17:59:23S_a_i_n_ti thought it was the opposite
17:59:56linuxstb"-wf" is "write firmware" - it writes the .ipodx to the firmware partition, overwriting what is there.
18:00:28linuxstb"-a" is "add bootloader" - on the nano2g it moves the contents of the firmware partition to a "osbk" image, and then writes the bootloader to the firmware image.
18:00:47liarlinuxstb: its not totaly clear from the ipodpatcher usage output
18:01:39moosperfectdrug: you made the hard works, just wait for someone that can commit it, either b0hoon or maybe pixelma
18:01:40perfectdrugi think I just go with vibe500 for the moment
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18:01:54moosyup, don't care much
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18:02:59CIA-8New commit by pamaury (r24420): Fix a dircache bug (opening a directory opens the first file of that directory). Also clarify the behaviour of dircache_get_entry.
18:03:11perfectdrugmoos: yeah I just wanted to make the pdf version too this time, this should save pixelma some time, ok i put it on flyspray now
18:03:39CIA-8New commit by learman (r24421): Update Swedish translation.
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18:04:11pixelmaperfectdrug: brainstorming - how would you translate "base skin" / "remote base skin"
18:04:41pixelmagood work on the svg by the way, saw it in the forums
18:04:59*moos would want to ask the same to pamaury :)
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18:05:41pamaurymoos: ask what ?
18:05:45moospixelma: do we know what this "base skin" cover this time?
18:06:06moosabout a string translation: "base skin"
18:06:43pixelmait's something like the WPS for the menus, browsers (and radio + recording screen currently)
18:06:45pamauryHum, I don't even know what it realy means in english
18:06:52moospamaury: in french of course :)
18:06:55mooshehe :)
18:07:17*moos will wait for JdGordon before translate :)
18:07:22pixelmait's "base skin" because it applies to the basic screens
18:07:26perfectdrugpixelma: thanks:) yeah i looked at the translations too, but I'm not really familiar with the german rockbox interface, I would just go for Basisskin, isn't skin eingedeutscht because of winamp or something
18:07:49Slasheripamaury: sure, please show your patch :)
18:07:52moosI saw that few languages reuse "skin"
18:08:06perfectdrugi mean actually commonly understood
18:08:17moosSlasheri: r24420 :)
18:08:23moosHello btw
18:08:34Slasherioh, nice
18:08:38Slasherihi moos :)
18:08:51moosloong time !
18:08:59Slasheriindeed it is :)
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18:09:22pixelmayeah, I'm most unhappy about "remote base skin"
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18:10:01perfectdrugpixelma: yes this could end up in a really long german word
18:10:38pixelmaor something more sentence like
18:11:00CIA-8New commit by learman (r24422): Update Swedish translation.
18:11:29gevaertspixelma: isn't that the same in German? :)
18:11:34perfectdrugmaybe "Basis-Skin (sbs)" and "Fernbedienungs-sbs"
18:11:55pixelmagevaerts: no
18:14:16moospixelma: still no branch precisions, wishes in vain for now
18:14:25pixelmaperfectdrug: not that bad
18:15:18pamauryAm I the only one to think that plugging usb should work in the debug logf display ? It's a pain to have go back in the menu to plug usb.
18:15:51moospixelma: who have access to CIA bot? (I sort of remenber mcuelnaere and who? scorche?)
18:16:12pixelmaI'd guess the Swedes
18:16:23AlexPI think a few do
18:16:30AlexPBut I don't remember who
18:20:08*pamaury doesn't like the red delta of his commit
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18:21:29gevaertspixelma: that's not too bad
18:22:31gevaertspamaury: that's not too bad
18:22:37*gevaerts apologises to pixelma
18:23:07pamaurygevaerts: well I my mind, my code was simpler so it's not normal. I'm sure this code could be simplified
18:23:21*AlexP notes a couple of submitted translations
18:23:32AlexPIncluding Turkish, which is a bad one
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18:24:09moospamaury: unfortunatly, not lot of brave people tried to optimise the dircache/tagcache beasts since their creation (calculating in years now)
18:24:31perfectdrugpixelma: how do you do the png for the html version of the manual? when I do it as descriped in the wiki, the button description get cut off do you expand the document size before?
18:25:05*moos blame Slasheri for this, too complicated beasts, hard to motive new devs! :)
18:26:05pamaurymoos: there are several possbile stack optimisation also I think
18:26:48pamauryI don't understand why dircache uses MAX_PATH * 2 is several places while the maximum path size is MAX_PATH...
18:26:58moosplease do so and become our sauveur :)
18:28:15pamauryLol. I'll have a look at it. I think there are several things to improve. But i don't really want to touch to tagcache ;)
18:28:18Slasheripamaury: just to be sure :) MAX_PATH should be just fine
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18:28:36gevaertsSlasheri: why not *3? ;)
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18:28:48pamaurySlasheri: just to be sure ==> *2. On my side, just to be sure ==> +1 ?
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18:30:04pamauryWhy not add a #ifdef to defined JUST_TO_BE_SURE so that each one can have it's own definition ? ;)
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18:32:47pixelmaperfectdrug: can't remember how it is described in the wiki but I didn't have problems when selecting everything ad then export as png (not as far as I can remember)
18:33:05pixelmaexport the selection
18:33:47warlock_Hi, I'm having a weird issue on my e280: When I go to files, I can browse through directories, but none of the files show up. I've made sure they're not hidden (as the default firmware likes to do when I boot to it)...
18:34:01AlexPwarlock_: Check the "Show Files" setting
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18:34:31warlock_... and I've just updated with the latest using the installer, didn't ...
18:34:35warlock_okay, now i feel stupid. thanks.
18:34:40AlexPNo worries
18:34:51AlexPIt is easy to change accidently via the quick screen
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18:35:14AlexPAs soon as we agree on new defaults, I think that'll change
18:35:26AlexPSo don't hold your breath, as it involves us all agreeing :)
18:35:35warlock_Ahha, that explains how it happened. While I'm here, then, I should ask - is it possible to fold it into the firmware to *unhide* the music directory if it happens to be hidden?
18:35:54AlexPPossible yes, but not likely to happen
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18:36:07AlexPWe don't want to automatically fiddle with things
18:36:18AlexPRockbox should only do what you tell it :)
18:36:24pixelmaset show files to all (you'll see the .rockbox directory too then though)
18:36:45AlexPA lot of people use a different directory such as "Audio" - the Sansa OF will still find it, but not hide it
18:36:45S_a_i_n_trockbox...make me a coffee!
18:36:46gevaertsThere are two common solutions. What pixelma said, or don't put anything in the "music" directory
18:37:18*gevaerts is apparently late
18:37:24pixelmaforgot about that
18:37:27kugel3) don't use the OF :)
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18:38:26gevaertskugel: that's not possible on half of the e280 variants!
18:38:37warlock_kugel: if I plug it in when it's off (as I tend to do after an "oh crap, I left it on in my pocket again!" moment), if boots OF by default
18:39:14kugelgevaerts: I'm not sure whether the OF on the v2 still does that
18:40:09gevaertswarlock_: that's changed in the latest bootloader we released a while ago
18:40:12kugelwarlock_: assuming you have the v1 (which you have if you can use rockbox usb) you should just update the bootloader. the current one doesn't boot into the of
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18:42:19warlock_Okay, I am very amused. I have the player plugged in via USB to update the bootloader... and the controls are controlling my winamp.
18:42:48CIA-8New commit by alex (r24423): FS #10946 - Updated Chinese (Simple) translation by Purling Yukie.
18:42:51CIA-8New commit by alex (r24424): FS #10946 - Updated Chinese (Simple) translation by Purling Yukie.
18:43:29perfectdrugok done, here we go:
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18:50:25S_a_i_n_tnano1g transfer seems dog-ass slow since i updatd...hmmmmm ;[
18:50:44warlock_Huh. Renaming the music directory has got the player *really* confused.
18:51:24warlock_Track 1/1801... press next, 20/1801... press next, 31/1801...
18:51:37AlexPDo you have shuffle enabled?
18:51:55S_a_i_n_ti was gonna ask that
18:51:59warlock_... I feel stupid again. How did all these settings get changes?
18:52:27warlock_(I did think of shuffle, but I would expect shuffle to go, say... 1, 450, 224, 1530...)
18:52:40gevaertsS_a_i_n_t: is shuffle the default?
18:52:47*gevaerts would be surprised at that
18:52:48AlexPwarlock_: It is on the quickscreen too
18:52:53AlexPgevaerts: No, it isn't
18:52:59AlexPRepeat is though I think
18:53:00S_a_i_n_ti've had it happen b4
18:53:07AlexPS_a_i_n_t: Real words please
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18:53:47S_a_i_n_tsorry...virtual keyboard. usb's are all full
18:54:03AlexPThen take a little longer to type
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18:56:21JdGordondoes anyone have an archos FM recorder? amiconn? pixelma?
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18:56:35pixelmaI have an OndioFM
18:56:43pixelmaamiconn too
18:57:05JdGordonthat should work also. can you please test 10853 sometime soon?
18:57:10amiconnOndio FM != FM recorder though (although both can record an have a radio)
18:57:42JdGordonI forgot about the ondio fm. I need real testing on hwcodec+recording from fm
18:58:02*amiconn knows of only one dev with a (probably) still working fmr - LinusN
18:58:23warlock_Sorry for all the stupid questions... but if I turn shuffle off, then it apparently goes through everything in order. How do I make it just create a random playlist of every audio file it can find and then play that straight through?
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18:59:22JdGordonpixelma: amiconn: OK, can you please just make sure that patch doesnt break anything with recording in the fm screen? and that the default fms is roughply equal to the current screen layout?
18:59:54AlexPwarlock_: Turn on recursivly add directories, then insert your music directory to a playlist with the context menu
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19:01:37pixelmaJdGordon: I'm not sure how much time I'll have this week for Rockbox stuff (depends on RL things) :(
19:01:37JdGordonpixelma: amiconn: can I get a yes/no please? hwcodec testing is the only thing stopping me commiting it, And I dont particularly want to sit on it for 2 months waiting for that.
19:01:48soapWhat AlexP said, but insert shuffled will create a statically shuffled list.
19:01:59soapI /think/ that is what you are asking for.
19:02:30JdGordonpixelma: If I do the build for you would that help at all? its just a matter of unzipping to the mmc and booting no?
19:02:34AlexPsoap/warlock_ yes, sorry - insert shuffled (I missed the random)
19:03:21AlexPWhat is the state of RDS in Rockbox? I thought it wasn't there, but JdGordon seems to have a RDS tag so I assume it is
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19:03:42JdGordonvery simple support on the D2 only i thinkl
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19:04:29AlexPBut if there is something there, then I guess it should be extensible - ages ago bertrik did a patch that got RDS data outputting in the debug screen on beast
19:04:31soapwarlock_, while I think I know why you are asking for a shuffled playlist which gets displayed in playback order - I find it awfully convenient to create that one huge master playlist, then simply turn on random playback if and when I want to shuffle.
19:04:55warlock_But then do I have to update the master playlist every time I add/del a file?
19:04:56soapThe advantage of that is the playlist will never get played back the same way twice (for reasonable definitions of "never")
19:05:37JdGordonAlexP: it just needs HAVE_RDS_CAPS defined and the api done
19:05:38soapwarlock_, yes. The playlist is static and will need amending / replacement upon a change in files on the player.
19:07:03AlexPJdGordon: api as in driver to read the RDS from the tuner and supply it to "the next bit"?
19:07:19AlexPOr an universal api that a driver delivers the data to?
19:07:23AlexPOK, the first :)
19:07:28JdGordonI assume so anyway
19:07:43JdGordon#define HAVE_RDS_CAPS in your build and see what it complains about
19:08:05AlexPhehe, I like experimental learning :)
19:08:58JdGordonshould just be tuner_get_rds_info()
19:09:38AlexPI wonder if bertrik still has his beast RDS code
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19:10:14warlock_There' s still some things I don't understand going on, but I'll keep poking at it. Thanks for the help!
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19:11:26AlexPJdGordon: Is the list of tags at the start of the task complete?
19:11:43JdGordonapart from rds and recording
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19:11:48AlexPOK, cheers
19:11:52JdGordonI'll fix them shortkyu
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19:12:53pixelmaJdGordon: unzipping to the Ondio takes the longest time </sarcasm>. But really, I don't think that building is the problem, testing out will take a bit longer and I'm currently not in the mood (my mind is not open atm)
19:13:22*JdGordon hands pixelma a can opener :)
19:13:40podkasti haven't used my gigabeat in a few months. A few days ago I turned it on. The mp3 player works fine and I use rockbox without a problem but when I connect it via USB, windows makes a sound as if it knows I connected a usb but won't display it as a drive.. I've tried hot swapping the HD but nothing... any idea on how to fix it?
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19:15:24JdGordonby the way, this 2 letter tag system really sucks now!
19:16:55pixelmathere is nothing with e*, g*, h*, j*, k*, n*, o*, q*, u*, v*, y*, z*
19:17:30pixelmaif I remember correctly
19:18:27JdGordonyeah, but we do sort of want to have them line up with what they are
19:19:33AlexPJdGordon: I'm just writing a .fms now - but a quick feature request in the meantime
19:19:33JdGordonoh it looks like rds support is only in the ipod radio?
19:19:47AlexPJdGordon: Station logo for album art?
19:19:56JdGordonalready on my todo list :)
19:20:02JdGordonprobably post commit though
19:20:03AlexPcool :)
19:21:10soapdoes your gigabeat show up under drive management?
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19:21:21soapbut does not have a letter assigned?
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19:21:47JdGordonhmm, Should I get the progressbar to show the preset stations like cuesheets?
19:22:00JdGordonor is that just silly?
19:22:11andrewRBpodkast; right-click My Computer -> Manage -> Storage -> Disk Management
19:22:35podkastnope it doesnt
19:22:40AlexPJdGordon: In my mind progress bar = frequency an d presets = track number
19:22:46kugelJdGordon: not silly but maybe annoying
19:23:15pixelmaprobably not very readable in many cases
19:23:45soappodkast, it was a poorly worded double question on my part - but which question are you answering with "nope it doesn't"?
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19:23:52JdGordonyeah maybe
19:24:12mc2739bertrik: the runtime difference is partly due to the revert of adjustable cpu voltage, also recording support had not been added yet with the last runtime
19:24:13JdGordonand AA for the station, go from the preset name? or the frequency? both? and in what folder?
19:24:53AlexPJdGordon: I'd say preset name
19:25:08JdGordonand placed in fmpresets then?
19:25:14AlexPI guess
19:25:29podkastit doesn't have a letter assigned to it and it does show up in Device Manager but under "Other Devices" -> "24"
19:26:04soappodkast, try uninstalling the apparently incorrect driver windows assigned to it, and starting over.
19:26:17podkastyea i've tried that quite a few times
19:26:32mc2739AlexP: Purling Yukie should be added to docs/CREDITS
19:26:41AlexPah right, I always forget that
19:26:47soap"Other Devices" -> "24" - I haven't seen that. Have you googled that?
19:27:34podkastyea i get results for the posts on the 24th date where people have had a similar poroblem
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19:28:22soapthat stinks ;)
19:29:14soapit /really/ does sound like a windows issue re:drivers, though.
19:29:28podkasti've tried it on windows xp and windows 7
19:29:31soapdo you have another computer you can test on?
19:29:45soapand both assign it that "other device" status?
19:29:47podkastlemme see what the windows 7 driver issue was one sec
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19:31:34JdGordondoes anyone know what the audio buffer is doing while the radio is running?
19:31:44CIA-8New commit by alex (r24425): Add Purling Yukie to CREDITS for r24423.
19:32:48CIA-8New commit by alex (r24426): Add Purling Yukie to CREDITS for r24424.
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19:33:58pixelmaJdGordon: is LANG_STATUSBAR_CUSTOM still used?
19:34:24JdGordonyes, its one of the options under the "statusbar" setting
19:34:56pixelmanot to be confused with LANG_CUSTOM_STATUSBAR ... hmm, why that?
19:35:27JdGordontyhats deprecated
19:35:27podkastyea windows 7 gives me the same "24" unknown device
19:36:02JdGordonpodkast: can you boot into the OF and use usb through that?
19:36:05soapso now, podkast, I'm curious if the Gigabeat itself is misidentifying itself. Anyone else have a clue?
19:36:20podkastwhats OF
19:36:25soaporiginal firmware
19:36:33podkastwell i can use rockbox fully
19:36:42pixelmaJdGordon: I know that the latter is deprecated, but what is the first one for then?
19:36:44podkasti dont have the original firmware on it anymore
19:37:04JdGordonask kugel :) I tihnk he added it
19:37:22podkastand i have V3.3 of rockbox
19:37:30*pixelma passes the question on to kugel
19:37:33kugelpixelma: the first is for the setting of the statusbar, the other is for the browse sbs files thing
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19:37:58pixelmawell, it's not a statusbar...
19:38:20kugeli heard that already
19:38:51kugelbut the classic statusbar and base skin are still mutually exclusive, arent they?
19:39:11perfectdrugok I updated FS #10852 ; #10854 and also added FS #10948 this can all be commited along with #10947
19:39:19podkastill go search more online.. bb in a bit
19:39:25JdGordonkugel: yes
19:39:53pixelmado we need a "use SBS" setting still, or isn't it "if selected in the browse SBS then it'll be used"
19:40:06bluebrotherisn't the classic statusbar then rather the classic base skin?
19:40:17bluebrother(which happens to include the classic statusbar)
19:40:30JdGordonpixelma: we could remove that, yes
19:40:39JdGordonbluebrother: if thats how you want to tihnk of it, then yes
19:41:11pixelmabluebrother: but the setting is "custom" not "inbuilt"
19:41:26AlexPJdGordon: Does tuner present: %tp = tuner present? i.e. I can use it as a conditional to show one thing in the WPS and another in FMS?
19:41:37bluebrotherJdGordon: well, it sounds more consistent to me. If they are mutually exclusive then they must have something in familiar :)
19:41:38AlexPer, does it = in fms! :)
19:42:24JdGordonAlexP: tuner present is a conditional for if the target has a tuner
19:42:31JdGordonthink the e200 where not all do
19:42:47JdGordonyou want %cs to know if oyu are in the radio screen or not
19:42:52AlexPOK, thanks
19:43:39pixelmabut if the target has no tuner, you won't see the .fms - or did I miss something?
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19:44:20JdGordonyeah, the fm option is removed from the menu if there is no tuner
19:44:57JdGordonyou can use that to make targets with the same screen size share the skins
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19:48:02pixelmaI still don't understand - if the theme contains an FMS but the target has no tuner, it won't show the FMS anyways (and you won't be able to browse FMSs and I'd expect a line in the cfg to be ignored)
19:49:10JdGordonyou wont see the menu item, but right now you can browse then and the line isnt ignored
19:49:28JdGordonon targets with possible radio
19:49:37JdGordonif it doesnt ever have a radio then yes
19:49:45pixelmabut you can't go to the radio screen
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19:50:56pixelmawhat do you need a "tuner present" tag for then?
19:52:04kugelfor the sbs probably, it doesn't make much sense within the fms file
19:53:36pixelmaJdGordon: hwcodec radio screen also shows prerecording time (and more clever than the swcodec recording, counting up as the buffer fills) and the peakmeters
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19:54:13AlexPJdGordon: %Ti0 just shows "%Ti0" not the preset number
19:54:30pixelmaok, SBS makes sense (somewhat)
19:54:42AlexPJdGordon: And my .fms doesn't seem to be being loaded at all
19:55:09AlexPJdGordon: Sorry, ignore the first bit
19:55:30JdGordonpixelma: and the peakmeters? I thought it was one or the other?
19:55:35JdGordonwhere is the peakmeter?
19:55:58pixelmaone or the other is true
19:55:58JdGordonAlexP: you might have to restart for it to take effect
19:56:09JdGordonok, so it should be correct
19:57:26pixelmadidn't see something about it in your description
19:57:34JdGordonAlexP: no, it should work... "fms" in the config, with the file in the wps directory
19:57:38AlexPJdGordon: I have fms: /.rockbox/wps/CSB.fms in my theme .cfg
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19:59:04AlexPJdGordon: I see "ERR: Failed parsing on line 10 : ERR: Conditional syntax error after token 32: "No token" but line 10 of the .fms is empty, and the .sbs an .wps load OK
19:59:26JdGordonpastebin it
19:59:31JdGordonmy test fms loads fine
19:59:37AlexPOK, one mo
19:59:53JdGordonyeah, we really need better skin debugging :(
19:59:59pixelmathe error output is often useless (especially line number)
20:00:49AlexPJdGordon: - it is copied from my .wps with just some tokens changed
20:00:53JdGordonit should only be off by at most 1 now
20:01:18AlexPer, line 11 might be dodgy...
20:01:28AlexPheh, hang on :)
20:01:50JdGordonyou should be using conditional viewports instead of %?C everywhere!
20:02:12AlexPThis is a) old and b) works :)
20:02:14pixelmaneeds a %?tm
20:02:38AlexPpixelma: yep, that is what I spotted
20:02:39pixelmanote the ?
20:02:49AlexPWhen JdGordon said off by one it hit me :)
20:03:32AlexPyay, the sim has frozen
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20:04:36pixelmaAlexP: the same mistake is in the last line
20:04:37AlexPI won't go even with killall!
20:04:46AlexPpixelma: Thanks, got that too
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20:06:50JdGordonok, what did you do to freeze it? which target?
20:07:22AlexPJdGordon: Gigabeat S sim, I loaded the theme then entered radio, said no do a scan
20:07:37JdGordonand it actually froze?
20:07:37AlexPthen it just froze with the fms section of the screen blank
20:07:59AlexPI just reran the sim, said do the preset scan and now it is fine
20:08:02JdGordon%C is probably crashing
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20:11:42AlexPJdGordon: How do playback state icons map? At present it seems to be stop when the radio is playing, and rewind when the radio is "paused"
20:11:57saratogastripwax: 28.49MHz for 192k WMA using your latest changes
20:12:34JdGordon%?mp<Stop|Play|Pause|Ffwd|Rew|Rec|Rec pause|FM|FM pause>
20:12:44saratogaa full 1.5MHz faster already
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20:13:25AlexPJdGordon: Right, but I have that in my SBS and when on WPS it is correct, but when in FM it shows stopped
20:13:44AlexPThis is correct I suppose as the WPS is stopped, but for me it should show playing as the radio is playing
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20:14:48JdGordonthat logic hasnt changed, so maybe it never worked?
20:15:05AlexPI'll check again on target
20:15:50saratogastripwax: also, the pre/post rotation in mdct_half (ignoring the additional steps in ff_fft_calc_c) use 5.8MHz
20:16:16saratoga0.5MHz more then they used before when we had simplier indexing in the original ffmpeg mdct
20:18:15stripwaxsaratoga - (confused−−) That's 1.5MHz faster than trunk? or 1.5MHz faster than before I tweaked it? - also didn't understand the second comment, 0.5MHz more than which revision?
20:18:25saratoga1.5MHz faster then trunk
20:18:48stripwaxoh you mean 0.5MHz slower than back when ffmpeg used radix2 rather than split radix? (is that what you mean by 'simpler indexing')
20:18:56saratogalet me check my notes about that
20:19:07stripwaxInteresting that WMA is faster than trunk but vorbis is fractionally slower.
20:19:08saratogaoh i'm sorry
20:19:17saratogaits for tremor imdct
20:19:54saratogaWMA uses different transform block sizes, its possible that smaller blocks are faster
20:20:01JdGordonthe current_playmode() might be slightly off
20:20:25pixelmaI think I saw it working correctly
20:20:40saratogai think block sizes other then 2048 are quite rare for Vorbis
20:20:49AlexPI'll try again in a mo - I'm still building
20:21:21stripwaxsaratoga - this is what I have mid 2009. . so 31.55MHz for 192kbps vorbis. I measured the FasterMDCT version as around 31.33MHz so 'fractionally' faster
20:22:13saratogastripwax: which target?
20:22:17stripwaxSmaller blocks are probably *currently* faster. Which is a shame, because the main point of using split radix is so that larger blocks are faster
20:22:20stripwaxIpod Video
20:22:32saratogaok i got 30.41MHz on my e200v1
20:22:48saratogaso the difference may also be sansa specific
20:22:51saratogalet me test vorbis
20:23:48stripwaxsaratoga - heading out but back shortly
20:23:59saratogacould be either DRAM or difference between pp5022 and 5024
20:24:00saratogaok later
20:24:08AlexPHmmm, now it has frozen on target
20:25:58AlexPJdGordon: OK, on target playback state constantly shows rewind whether it is paused or not
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20:26:06AlexPPlayback state on the WPS is correct
20:26:22JdGordonyou went into the radio from boot?
20:26:41JdGordon%C should be safe so thats not the issue
20:26:56perfectdrugwhat do you guys think is an iriver h140 in good condition with upgraded battery and 80GB HDD worth
20:27:13AlexPJdGordon: Yes, then it worked for a bit then froze
20:27:29AlexPJdGordon: Then I rebooted it, went into WPS to check playback state then into FM
20:27:37AlexPWorked for a bit, has just frozen again
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20:29:06JdGordonyay! lots of debugging to go then :/
20:29:42AlexPJdGordon: Also, the sbs doesn't update properly. In the wps I have elapsed and total time on a line and in the fms I have min and max frequency, chosen with %cs. It just crashed in fms, when I rebooted I went to wps and it is showing min/max freq in the wps
20:30:02saratogastripwax: I get 31.06 for Vorbis, so its actually slower for me (30.07 with current SVN)
20:30:17saratogalooking at the SVN logs, theres been some changes to Vorbis since we branched
20:30:20AlexPJdGordon: But if I then click select to go to file browser, the sbs updates and shows properly
20:31:07saratoga"Assembler optimised bitreverse for ARM, again a little bit faster and smaller. * Separated 'x' and 'ret' gives gcc a bit more freedom regarding register allocation (except on coldfire where it doesn't matter)."
20:31:09AlexPJdGordon: But other than the crashing and the playback state, the fms looks nice! :)
20:31:18JdGordonok cool
20:31:20saratogaok so the current SVN and mdct branch Vorbis are not the same
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20:32:32saratogaassuming the WMA results are correct, the new MDCT lib looks quite amazing
20:32:57saratogaits not even all that well optimized at the moment
20:33:11saratogawe ought to be able to save at least a couple MHz additional i think
20:37:56saratogaand if we can use the library in libfaad to remove those ugly looking DCT and QMF steps, AAC-HE might look a lot better on PP
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20:42:30kugelsaratoga: how many codecs are going to use your wokr?
20:43:06saratogaAAC, AAC-HE (hopefully), WMA, Vorbis, ATRAC3, Cook, AC3
20:43:13saratogaand at this point its mostly stripwax and mt's work
20:43:35kugelthat's a lot
20:43:43saratogabasically all lossy except mp3
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20:44:30saratogamaking mp3 not suck is another project i guess
20:45:32kugelwe must not forget to revert the buffering commit
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20:49:16stripwaxIn Vorbis, using FasterMDCT, I have a fairly ugly memcpy and temporary buffer (in dram not iram), because our new imdct cannot operate in-place. However it's just that first step (splitradix index shuffling+prerotate) that cannot currently work in-place (more generally cannot work if input and output buffers overlap). Fixing that wouldn't be 'too' hard, and would remove the Vorbis memcpy that I had to put in. Should save a bit of MHz.
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20:51:36stripwaxBut I can't help wondering - wouldn't we still get better CPU usage if we run codecs on both cores for pp ? i.e. what (only?) mp3 currently does...
20:51:51stripwaxCPU + battery ..
20:51:52saratogastripwax: yes theres that
20:52:03saratogadoing mdct on the COP has been on my todo list for a while
20:52:18saratogabut its nontrivial, since each codec will need a fair amount of work to make it happen
20:52:51saratogayou need to start processing the next frame while the mdct of the current one happens, then put the result together in time to window it
20:53:11stripwaxsaratoga - true. And Tremor in particular makes this particularly hard (but I have some work-in-progress attempts in that direction)
20:53:19saratogaplus it really only helps PP, whereas more general optimizations help all upcoming targets
20:54:02saratogait would probably be easy to do things like windowing on COP on most codecs though, since all the windowing code does is usually dump into the output buffer
20:54:41saratogai wonder how much different COP would really make, we can't go below 30MHz on PP, and with the mdct library fully optimized we'll be able to do vorbis and WMA well below that
20:54:44stripwaxwindowing is pretty trivial though. Main vorbis usage is decoding + imdct.
20:55:14saratogagoing from 27 MHz to 19 MHz probably doesn't do much unless theres a lot of DSP/EQ being used
20:56:00stripwaxIf main core is running 16MHz decoding (say), it could continue to do filebrowser/wps/etc without boosting. (I'm thinking of the extra 10-or-so-MHz that the buffering debug screen shows, for example)
20:56:10saratogaalmost all the power savings on PP comes from not boosting the clock the peripherals see, the main cpu clock isn't so important
20:56:23saratogathe buffering screen usese 10 MHz because it draws a 1000000 frames a second
20:56:24kugelwell, wasn't there the idea to change the clocking scheme on PP (default down to 24MHz)? it would still be worth it
20:56:36saratogaordinary playback with the screen off or at a menu uses something like an extra 2MHz
20:57:14saratogaso if you hit 27MHz you basically won't boost unless using the UI or lots of EQ
20:57:48saratogayeah 24MHz for PP has been talked about a lot
20:58:00saratogai still want to do it but theres concerns about UI performance
20:59:19saratogatheres also "FS #9800 - Zero-wait boost for PP502X"
20:59:25saratogawhich reduces core clock to 20MHz
20:59:55*kugel still wants the voltage scaling back on the samsas
21:00:21kugelI was thinking about making it user configurable via some energy saving profiles
21:00:26saratogavoltage scaling does't seem like a big deal given all the other power issues on the sansas
21:00:36saratogawe're clearly not clocking things correctly
21:01:10kugelwell, current svn doesn't seem to give nearly the 15h+ we had before
21:01:19saratogai'm convinced we haven't figured out how to properly power down that custom sandisk SD bridge chip
21:01:34saratogasince flash buffering gives no battery hit
21:01:49kugelwell, it was only tested on the clip
21:01:54saratogaand TheSeven said the flash chip on the 2g used a lot of power
21:01:56kugelthat one rebuffers often anyway
21:02:25saratogawell maybe twice a minute
21:02:32saratogathat should still mean its basically powered down all the time
21:02:51saratogaverses no buffering where it would be on all the time
21:03:00kugelthat's not really related to voltage scaling anyway
21:03:11saratogayes of course
21:03:20saratogai just mean that voltage scaling is a small issue
21:03:54saratogatheres also the issue of trying to get the mem clock to work at 2 pclk like the data sheet says it should
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21:03:59kugelit seems to give 30-60 extra minutes (currently about 10% it seems)
21:04:34saratogathen we could do 31MHz for base clock and get a couple hours more battery life (not to mention much better boosted performance)
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21:05:30saratogathen put some boring parts of rockbox (or even the compressed audio buffer) on the IRAM and clock that down at pclk
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21:06:29saratogaand then theres those pesky battery issues on the clip
21:06:59kugelwhat issues?
21:07:18saratogapower conumption is much higher then the fuze for some reason
21:07:50kugelI assume the lcd isn't powered off correctly
21:09:04kugelthat's the only really difference, and the fuze does turn it off (somehow)
21:09:30saratogaon the fuze its easy since the backlight is right off one of the 3525's VRs
21:09:41saratogaoh you mean the LCD
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21:14:56saratogai can measure current on my clip via the USB port, but i can't disconnect the battery easily so i odn't know what the results would look like
21:15:07saratogahave to make sure the charger is completely off in the OF somehow
21:15:51saratogaon the e200v2 i can disconnect the battery, so those measurements will be easy
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21:19:04bluebrotherdomonoky: ping
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21:19:43bluebrotherhave you checked the trace output after the introduction? It unfortunately creates tons of lookup traces
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21:20:23domonokybluebrother: you mean after introduction of serverinfo ?
21:21:09bluebrotherwhat do you think about changing it this way?
21:21:30kugelsaratoga: I would be interested in the power savings when going from 62 to 31 MHz. I also thought about clocking down the dbop when the backlight is off
21:22:04bluebrotherit takes advantage of the changes I made in r24371
21:22:05saratogakugel: so measurements with rockbox idle'ed and the pclk at 31 and 62 mHz on the e200v2 would work?
21:22:26kugelI think so
21:22:39saratogais there some easy way to change that so I can test?
21:23:10bluebrotherotoh it might not be a good idea to have such assumptions outside of the SystemInfo class
21:23:22kugeldidn't FlynDice prepare a lot of clocking schemes switchablle at compile time?
21:24:39mc2739kugel: FS #10308
21:25:30AlexPJdGordon: Forget the comment about the sbs not updating, I'd made an error with my cs (sorry)
21:25:38AlexP%cs that is
21:25:40domonokybluebrother: i dont like the dot handling outside of the systemInfo class, but otherwise its ok.
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21:26:07domonokybluebrother: so maybe make a function in systemInfo to get all variant from a specific plattform.
21:26:51AlexPJdGordon: However, about the %cs as it currently is I have to chose a fixed set of tags for the menu portion - what I think would be better if in the menu one it could show whatever the previous screen you were in - so if it was just in fm, show that, just in wps show that etc.
21:26:53JdGordonAlexP: oh good :)
21:27:28AlexPJdGordon: I'll try to better explain :)
21:27:29JdGordonoh irght
21:27:40JdGordonno, I get it, yeah umm
21:27:59bluebrotherdomonoky: that might be a good option.
21:28:24JdGordonwell, we could either add a new tag for that, or fix %cs so its not really the current screen, but the current playback mode
21:28:25AlexPAs if I was just in fms and listening to radio, I'd like to show radio related tags and if file playback is active I'd like to show wps tags
21:28:41AlexPYeah, current playback mode would be ideal for me
21:29:11JdGordonyou could probably go from %mp instead then
21:29:59AlexPyes, that would be a workaround
21:30:00JdGordonusing conditional viewports or it will be painful to read
21:30:32AlexPI'll redo the whole theme when I get the chance
21:31:09*JdGordon bbl
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21:51:55AlexPJdGordon: You will be both glad and annoyed about this - if think that the playback status issue is also my fault
21:51:58AlexPVery sorry!
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22:00:23Unhelpfulanybody care to offer an opinion on FS #10943? i'm thinking of committing it, although i might disable the ARMv4 version of the divider (larger, only APE depends heavily on divide speed, and it uses a customized divider already)
22:04:37kugelI thought the armv4 version was faster?
22:04:45kugelis size really an issue?
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22:06:54Unhelpfulkugel: it is faster than the libgcc version, by about 15-20%... the size gain is something like 350B, but should improve a bit if we ever move to eabi, as we can drop eabi's separate div/divmod functions in favor of aliasing div to divmod
22:07:29kugelwhy disable it then?
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22:08:13Unhelpfulbecause we're not really gaining anything for that space? core doesn't care about division speed... most codecs or plugins don't either...
22:10:50kugelbut it's faster and smaller, isn't it?
22:11:41saratogafaster divide is worth having for its own sake i think
22:13:36kugelfaster division can't hurt
22:14:34AlexPkugel: What order to the theme files get parsed in? The sim gives me errors in two different files, but it doesn't tell me which files
22:14:49Unhelpfulmeh, it's not *that* many bytes ;)
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22:15:10kugelit's next to nothing
22:15:42kugelAlexP: I'm not sure, ideally it shouldn't matter
22:16:00Unhelpfulkugel: you can fix it if it makes the core binary too large on arm lowmem, then? ;)
22:16:07AlexPkugel: The problem is, I can't tell what files these errors are in
22:16:21AlexPAre they in .wps, .sbs, or in .fml
22:16:25AlexPfor instance :)
22:16:39pixelmapoor fml
22:16:46AlexPer, .fms )
22:16:49UnhelpfulAlexP: perhaps adding a debugf to say what's being parsed?
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22:16:54kugelyou could run checkwps on each separetely, although I doubt JdGordon's patch keeps it working :)
22:17:15AlexPkugel: yeah, but if I check the other two I can narrow it down :)
22:17:44AlexPUnhelpful: I think it is something that should be added to the sim - it should give you the file name of the file it has errors parsing
22:17:56AlexPkugel: Good plan, I'll try checkwps
22:17:57kugelUnhelpful: I think that won't happen, and yes I can fix it by reverting your commit :)
22:18:32*bertrik got 8 hours 31 minutes on his clip battery benchmark
22:18:51Unhelpfulthe other thing is the use of .. in pluginlib and codeclib SOURCES - i don't like it, but it keeps the file from being compiled thrice.
22:20:12pixelmawasn't there a wps debug flag for the sim (when Nico_P introduced the tokenizer) though I'm not sure if it still works, especially with sbs etc., and if it is not too verbose
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22:24:54AlexPpixelma: there is, but it too doesn't tell you the file. It is a bit better though as you can match up tokens to those in your files
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22:28:01Unhelpfulkugel: i don't have time to watch for breakage now... or to deal w/ the pain of moving this to an svn checkout so i can manage the properties on the new files. i'll commit when i get a chance if nobody has objections or suggestions. :)
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22:46:34domonokybluebrother: looks good. but maybe use PlatformVariant instead of PlatformLike ?
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22:48:30bluebrothergood point. I wasn't too happy with PlatformLike anyway ;-)
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22:51:40bluebrotherdomonoky: ok, renamed it and it still seems to work fine :) Do you think I should commit it?
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22:52:10perfectdrugkugel: thanks
22:52:15*perfectdrug is impressed how kugel is the perfect example from being custombuild creator to core developer;)
22:53:18domonokybluebrother: so i think it should now be possible to try to remove "buildserver_name" and "configure_name" in rbutil.ini and finally get out of this naming mess :-)
22:55:28bluebrotherdomonoky: yes, that would be the next step. We can now really retrieve those *_name values from the section name \o/
22:55:37perfectdrugà propos naming mess is there anywhere ducumented how to name new targets, as I wondered earlier today
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22:56:04bluebrotherbtw, with the new Rockbox release we kinda have a need for a new rbutil release :o
22:56:34domonokybluebrother: yes, we should try to make a release in the not too far future :-)
22:56:50domonokycurrent rbutil is pretty broken (from the user expirience)
22:57:11kugelperfectdrug: generally, company.series.model (without the dots), except if the series is unique (or long) enough
22:57:32bluebrotherdomonoky: "current rbutil" as in "current release"?
22:57:48CIA-8New commit by bluebrother (r24427): Extend SystemInfo to allow distinguishing between platforms and variants. ...
22:58:03domonokybluebrother: yes, no themes, it warns wrongly about target mismatches, etc..
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22:58:21perfectdrugkugel: so e.g. packardbellvibe500 or just vibe 500
22:59:00kugelyes, it seems we took vibe500
22:59:11domonokypackardbellvibe500 would match the new target nameing i would thing.
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22:59:32AlexPJdGordon: I think I've found a couple of real bugs though
22:59:35rasherDo they hvae many vibes?
23:00:01bluebrotherit's currently (still) a bit inconsistent. For example, the Ipods are "ipodmini1g", i.e. without an "apple" prefix while the archos are "archosondiofm"
23:00:16kugelthat's on purpose
23:00:23AlexPJdGordon: a) In preset mode if you skip through presets then %TnX doesn't update - but if you select the preset from the list then it works fine
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23:01:18Hawson'afternon all
23:01:29bluebrotherhowever, imo there are two important points: it has to be unique for a vendor, and the vendor has to get used if the model itself isn't descriptive enough −− like (cowon)m5
23:01:30AlexPJdGordon: b) In scan mode, the frequency doesn't show properly. If the current frequency is the same as a preset it shows that, but if not it shows 106.6
23:01:40Hawsonthe sansa e200v2 is listed as unstable, with USB
23:01:45Hawson"not working"
23:01:47bertrikAlexP, yes I think I still have the RDS patch somewhere
23:01:48domonokybut the most important thing about the target naming, is that it should be the same in all places used.
23:01:55bluebrotherkugel: it's on purpose to be inconsistent? The idea was to make things consistent ...
23:02:02HawsonSo, what's the way to get stuff on/off of the device?
23:02:17bluebrotherHawson: boot into the OF
23:02:54Hawsoncan that be done via ROLO? (for exmaple)
23:02:57AlexPJdGordon: c) When you switch between preset and scan mode then whilst the mode switches, %tm doesn't update until you leave the screen and come back e.g. go to the menu and back
23:02:58domonokyHawson: rockbox install allows dual-boot. so just reboot into the OF to get USB.
23:03:11kugelwe've chosen the "company/linemodel" proposal which means to include the company for "bad" lines
23:03:54AlexPbertrik: Cool - it looks like the ipod video radio add on has some sort of support, so maybe "someone" might take that + your patch to enable it for the beast :)
23:03:59bertrikThe way I see it regarding RDS, there will be a kind of statemachine that take raw RDS packets from the low-level driver and assembles them into meaningful data (station name, program id, program text, alternate frequencies). The API between radio.c and the radio driver then only exchanges these "meaningful data" chunks.
23:03:59*Hawson nods to bluebrother and domonoky
23:04:45AlexPbertrik: Somewhat above my head, but sounds good :)
23:04:59Hawsonsecond, related question. I can see the device on a workstation, but not from my laptop. firmware 3.01.16A, USB mode is set to MSC.
23:05:36bluebrother"company/linemodel" includes "company" only for some? Well, that's not really a "company/linemodel" scheme.
23:05:58AlexPHawson: For USB you are in the Sansa firmware, so not anything Rockbox can affect
23:06:07kugelI didn't pick the comlumn heading
23:06:27Hawsonare the kernel lines I see when plugging in the system.
23:06:34HawsonAlexP: <nod>
23:06:52Hawsonjust looking for a pointer in the right direction.
23:06:58HawsonFWIW, I
23:07:12HawsonI have an e200v1 that runs rockbox quite happily
23:07:18Hawsonbut then, it's stable. :)
23:07:55bertrikthe ipod remote only supports the RDS station name (short text) and RDS station info (long text string) as far as I can see, but those are probably also the most meaningful ones
23:08:38bertrikWe could probably also do fancy stuff with the alternate frequency list (like automatic retuning to the AF if the signal gets too low), but that will take a bit more effort, also in radio.c
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23:09:07bertrikI think it is very doable to get the station name and station info from the beast radio
23:10:35AlexPcool :)
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23:11:03AlexPJdGordon: Also, you will be glad to know that I have rewritten that wps/sbs/fms to use conditional viewports :)
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23:15:48JdGordonAlexP: cool! upload it somewhere :)
23:16:45AlexPJdGordon: I'm just popping the things I mentioned above on flyspray - I'll attach them there against the strong possibility that it is my error rather than bugs in the code :)
23:16:49JdGordonand ok, ill fix those bugs
23:17:20AlexPI wouldn't be at all suprised if it was my fms rather than your patch :)
23:17:43JdGordonno, they sound like real issues
23:18:05JdGordonmainly because i tried to not update the screen if its not needed, those tags are all marked static
23:18:24AlexPah right
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23:20:07AlexPOK, done
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23:20:47AlexPThe fms isn't quite finished - for instance I don't check for scan/preset in most places so as to e.g. hide the preset name if there isn't one
23:25:14AlexPI can nest conditionals right?
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23:26:32JdGordoni tihnk only 10 deep though!
23:26:40AlexPhehe, OK :)
23:26:55JdGordonartificial limit, it can be increased if that isnt enough :p
23:27:05AlexPnah, that'll be fine :)
23:27:25kugelthere's a limit?
23:27:27AlexPI want to check both on album art and on preset mode
23:27:43AlexPSo I can do %?C<%?tm<%Vdl|%Vdm>|%?tm<%Vdn|%Vdo>> right?
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23:29:31JdGordonkugel: IIRC. it's to make sure you end each one. It might be possible to completly remove, I havn't really looked into it
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23:32:05RaceDrv709I just installed Rockbox onto my Cowon D2 and would like to know how to manually scan and add presets on the radio
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23:34:20AlexPJdGordon: The frequency issue might well be my fault
23:34:32AlexPJdGordon: The use of %tf vs %TfX
23:34:38AlexPJust testing now
23:35:09JdGordonif the tags dont make sense now would be a good time to fix them :)
23:36:01AlexPyep - I was using %Tf0 which then doesn't work in scan mode
23:36:15AlexPI should just use %tf
23:36:39JdGordonshould I make %Tf work the same as %Tf0 ?
23:37:15JdGordonand actually, should I get rid of the numbers? that was before the playlist viewer thing which could do this much beter
23:37:34AlexPmaybe yeah
23:37:46AlexPAs %tf will give you the current preset
23:37:56AlexPGiven how you are tuned to it and all :)
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23:38:21JdGordonthere is no %tn though so it almost never makes sense to use %tf
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23:38:32JdGordon%tc is the current freq isnt it?
23:38:54AlexPYou have current frequency: %tf
23:38:57AlexPon the task
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23:39:07AlexP%Tc is total number of presets :)
23:39:29*JdGordon is confused and not really paying attention :p
23:39:30LambdaCalculus37I'm giving FS #10937 a testing out on my SA9200, and it looks very well done indeed. I would like to get it committed into SVN soon.
23:39:55LambdaCalculus37But I also still need to get the plugins enabled for the SA9200 port so we can finally move it into "unstable" status.
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23:40:20AlexPJdGordon: I'm a bit tired and going to bed soon - I'll go through properly again tomorrow
23:40:33JdGordoncool, ta
23:40:43AlexPSo perhaps for now ignore what I have said - I'm no longer sure which are real :)
23:40:46*JdGordon will continue hounding those with HWCODEC+FM targets to test also
23:41:33Strife89I'm honestly not sure if I can do the plugin bitmaps. :/
23:41:52LambdaCalculus37Strife89: I'm going to exclude the ones that need bitmaps from building for now.
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23:42:31LambdaCalculus37But I'm not really able to really wrap my brain around the concept of the SOURCES file for the plugins right now.
23:42:56Strife89But if I can find out how to set up the Cabbie port, I'll make a commit-candidate-patch.
23:43:44Strife89I haven't seen anything particularly helpful in the source or on the wiki. :/
23:44:26LambdaCalculus37Strife89: Basically you just have to svn add all of the appropriate files, and then you can create a diff from that.
23:45:17LambdaCalculus37The cabbiev2.128x160x16.bmp file goes into /backdrops in the svn tree.
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23:46:11LambdaCalculus37And the .wps file goes into /wps.
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23:46:31JdGordonare you using a different backdrop for the wps and sbs? (if it has a sbs)
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23:47:07LambdaCalculus37JdGordon: It does have a 128x160 backdrop, yes.
23:47:14LambdaCalculus37Forgot where that goes, though.
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23:47:28Strife89LambdaCalculus37: That's pretty much what my patch does, except for some reason it won't print the images in the output.
23:47:49LambdaCalculus37Strife89: Did you svn add the images as well?
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23:47:56Strife89Also, the theme makes use of a lot of existing images for another resolution.
23:47:59Strife89LambdaCalculus37: Yes.
23:48:06JdGordonif the wps isnt specifying its own backdrop then place it in /.rockbox/backdrops
23:48:16JdGordonI want to add some trickery so they arnt loaded twice
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23:55:38Strife89|VMJdGordon: Here's the WPS.
23:55:53Strife89|VMIt does specify it's own background image.
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23:56:20piotrekm - Could anyone explain what these changes are? I don't understand the source much, but since my nano crashed often recently i'd like to know
23:56:22JdGordonis it actually different from the main one?
23:56:27brybotHello, I have a 5th generation iPod that I put Rockbox on over summer. I have not used my iPod in months. Anyway, I remember then, and have the same problem now, that when Rockbox loads, my iPod vibrates. It sounds like the seeker head on the hard drive is moving about rapidly. This however, does not happen when I am using the apple software. Any idea what could be causing this?
23:56:31Strife89|VMJdGordon: Very different.
23:56:35JdGordonok then
23:56:47JdGordonthat one goes in the wps folder, the other in backdrops
23:56:48liarpiotrekm: TheSeven and i are working on that one
23:56:55Strife89|VMJdGordon: The BG for the WPS fakes a few icons in their "off" status.
23:57:15kugelJdGordon: I was wondering about the huge delta of your commit. Is the separate settings backdrop still also a separate buffer?
23:57:24JdGordonif you make then actual bmp's you will be able to have a smaller skin buffer when that is fixed
23:58:11JdGordonkugel: no, the increase comes from a changing the skin buffer from 1 full colour screen and 1 mono screen of bmp's to 2 full colour screens
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23:58:21Strife89|VMJdGordon: The BG is still needed for the progress bar.
23:58:34kugelJdGordon: why that?
23:58:57JdGordonthe theme I was testing with stopped needs like 2K more space than it has

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