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| 00:06:53 | bluebrother | what do people thing about dropping support for OS X 10.4 for Rockbox Utility? |
| 00:09:42 | JdGordon | not untill we can drop charcell and hwcodec support! |
| 00:11:17 | * | bluebrother sees too many functions with "Available in Mac OS X v10.5 and later" :/ |
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| 00:24:52 | piotrekm | hi, i'd only like to mention that on nano2g rockbox svn sometimes swaps channels in mp3 files (flacs played ok), especially when skipping a track and coming back to it. |
| 00:26:06 | piotrekm | oh, it is already a bug FS #10812, sorry |
| 00:26:26 | TheSeven | oh no, not again... |
| 00:26:48 | TheSeven | piotrekm: can you try verifying that it's really only mp3? i can't imagine that |
| 00:27:07 | TheSeven | if it would be related to mp3, it would be very unlikely that only nano2g is affected |
| 00:27:34 | piotrekm | TheSeven: sorry, i wasn't specific, in flacs i had not problem, but in ogg and mp3 i did |
| 00:27:41 | piotrekm | or maybe it was an accident flacs played ok |
| 00:28:43 | TheSeven | piotrekm: please double-check that |
| 00:28:51 | piotrekm | ok, doing that |
| 00:28:51 | TheSeven | i would expect flacs to be affected, too |
| 00:29:13 | TheSeven | but honestly I don't have any idea what could still be causing that |
| 00:29:15 | bluebrother | ~? |
| 00:29:15 | bluebrother | ~? ~ ? |
| 00:29:49 | TheSeven | We once had an issue where the channels swapped on play/pause, which was fixed... |
| 00:29:59 | * | bluebrother curses the network connection |
| 00:30:22 | TheSeven | are the channels always reversed at the beginning of a track? or on play/pause? or do they just swap all of a sudden in the middle of a track? |
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| 00:33:33 | CIA-88 | New commit by jdgordon (r24525): Aceppt FS #10945 by Tomasz Kowalczyk - Fix playlists not returning to the origional order after shuffle/unshuffle |
| 00:34:33 | piotrekm | TheSeven: ok, flacs are wrong too. It happens durig playing next/new file, i haven't experienced this during pausing/unpausing or while listening - and i listened quite a lot recently. |
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| 00:35:16 | TheSeven | ok, so a sample seems to sometimes get lost on the i2s bus when starting playback |
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| 00:36:18 | piotrekm | TheSeven: what's more curious, when playing a series of short tracks in different formats ("Left Right" from http://binkster.net/extras.shtml), the channels happen to swap quickly for the first second of the file, and then settle down |
| 00:36:21 | JdGordon | AlexP: can you file a bug for the wps problems? I dont know when I'm going to get a chance to look at it properly... sunday maybe, but dunno |
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| 00:37:24 | TheSeven | hm, dma latencies during buffering? |
| 00:37:39 | piotrekm | i can record that for you |
| 00:39:58 | AlexP | JdGordon: Sure |
| 00:40:41 | * | TheSeven will try to reproduce that on his nano later |
| 00:41:52 | AlexP | JdGordon: Do you want me to assign it to you? |
| 00:42:10 | JdGordon | na |
| 00:42:24 | flyback | woot |
| 00:42:29 | JdGordon | no need. I'm happy to let someone else fix it if they want :) |
| 00:42:30 | flyback | the broken iriver I bought works with the new hd |
| 00:42:34 | flyback | next step rockbox :) |
| 00:42:49 | flyback | espically since their firmware tools are CANUCKED or their web links are broken |
| 00:42:54 | flyback | so I only have a older firmware on it anyways |
| 00:43:02 | piotrekm | TheSeven: and about that initial channel swapping, it happens only with the wav file. |
| 00:43:04 | JdGordon | just make sure you set the category to WPS and nag me every few days |
| 00:43:06 | piotrekm | goodnight |
| 00:43:07 | * | flyback ponders purging all traces of iriver firmware from unit |
| 00:43:24 | AlexP | JdGordon: Righto |
| 00:43:27 | JdGordon | amiconn: you didnt do the boot benchmarking yet I assume? |
| 00:43:31 | * | TheSeven would like to do that on his ipod but failed badly |
| 00:45:51 | flyback | TheSeven, did you brick it? |
| 00:46:05 | TheSeven | no, i didn't even come that far :-/ |
| 00:46:16 | TheSeven | i failed to flash it at all |
| 00:46:20 | flyback | oh ok cause ebay sells a cheap parallel port jtag for $5 and $5 ship |
| 00:46:31 | flyback | I have one, I build a led test rig and it passed |
| 00:46:35 | TheSeven | flyback: jtag won't help on that device... |
| 00:46:40 | flyback | going to try to jtag something this weekend |
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| 00:46:44 | flyback | been wanting a jtag for yrs |
| 00:47:32 | TheSeven | apple/samsung used some kind of voodoo to prevent us from using their jtag port properly |
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| 00:53:41 | AlexP | JdGordon: http://www.rockbox.org/tracker/task/10969 |
| 00:54:03 | JdGordon | yep, I sees it :) |
| 00:54:19 | AlexP | cool :) |
| 00:54:55 | TheSeven | f*ck! it wrote to some place where it shouldn't have written... |
| 00:58:32 | TheSeven | better not reboot that thing now... |
| 00:58:55 | CIA-88 | New commit by jdgordon (r24526): make all the RTC tokens in the skins be useable in conditionals (I dare anyone to use %cY though :D ) |
| 00:59:11 | TheSeven | anyways, it's creeping slow without completion detection... |
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| 01:00:57 | TheSeven | an awful 940 bytes(!) per second! |
| 01:01:22 | TheSeven | obviously those delay loops are highly inaccurate |
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| 01:25:25 | TheSeven | phew... finally recovered it |
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| 01:30:48 | * | TheSeven just spotted something that suggests that one possibly could do screen updates via dma on nano2g |
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| 02:15:59 | TheSeven | breakthrough? |
| 02:16:03 | TheSeven | yes! |
| 02:16:18 | TheSeven | i managed to invert the colors of the apple logo in norboot, without bricking ;-) |
| 02:16:59 | Unhelpful | that's good? |
| 02:17:45 | TheSeven | well, it means that we can properly decrypt, modify, re-encrypt, sign and flash that image \o/ |
| 02:18:21 | TheSeven | i just don't dare to touch the norboot code itself yet |
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| 02:24:25 | Unhelpful | "we" can? or does the crypto still involve some hidden bits on the nano? |
| 02:25:05 | TheSeven | it's a device-dependent key |
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| 02:25:10 | TheSeven | you need to do it on the very same ipod |
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| 02:39:02 | TheSeven | ok, my ipod just survived a recovery through bootrom dfu |
| 02:39:17 | TheSeven | nice to know that my tools for that actually work |
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| 05:11:18 | Ebert_ | the new status bar is displaying on top of the battery and volume icons on my m:robe |
| 05:11:34 | Ebert_ | im using 3.5 stable, just upgraded |
| 05:11:49 | Ebert_ | its also flickering back and forth |
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| 05:32:19 | Ademan | dumb question: I'm going to be borrowing someone's iPod for a while (they said they won't miss it) but it's forseeable that they'd eventually want it back (although it's gone unused for >1 year) is there a reliable way to revert back to iPod firmware? |
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| 05:34:36 | Unhelpful | Ademan: the rockbox utility can uninstall on most (all?) supported targets, see the manual for the device in question: http://www.rockbox.org/manual.shtml |
| 05:35:31 | Unhelpful | also dual-boot is supported... generally the rockbox bootloader is inserted into the device firmware such that it can load and run the rockbox firmware if not told to boot the OF. details vary from device to device. :) |
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| 06:36:49 | * | flyback bites Unhelpful |
| 06:37:06 | flyback | I asked you a question in #rockbox-community |
| 06:37:16 | flyback | trying to help you with you rbattery problem |
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| 10:02:21 | ucchan | I haven't seen you for a long time. |
| 10:02:28 | ucchan | I cannot use the personal computer far from development Rockbox because I had gotten serious illness sick. |
| 10:02:35 | ucchan | At last, the sickness recovered, and it came to be able to return to development. |
| 10:02:43 | ucchan | Moreover, my best regards. |
| 10:03:25 | Unhelpful | welcome back, then :) |
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| 10:08:13 | ucchan | thanks |
| 10:10:59 | ucchan | because there are a lot of patch files that I have submitted before, I will update them. |
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| 10:24:13 | Unhelpful | amiconn: so "a slow enough codec can cause shutdown" is a semi-known issue on pp? also how hard *would* it be to make sure udiv32 ends up being the last thing in iram? i was actually thinking that it's almost entirely position-independent, so we *could* just have the code for it in dram with the table offset set up to put the table immediately after the function, and then copy the function and table to iram before stealing part of the |
| 10:24:13 | Unhelpful | table space for buffers. i think it could be set up so that none of the stuff that's larger to allow for this takes up any iram, so that nothing would get any *slower* than it is now. |
| 10:25:57 | amiconn | It's not pp in general, just pp5022 |
| 10:26:44 | amiconn | And it might be due to target properties not related to code |
| 10:26:45 | Unhelpful | hrm, but isn't e200 pp5024? |
| 10:27:01 | amiconn | The 5024 is a 5022 with tacked-on AS3514 |
| 10:27:11 | amiconn | It even reports as 5022 - see debug menu |
| 10:28:31 | amiconn | The PP5022 I'm testing on (Mini G2 and c240v1) have significantly smaller batteries than the PP5020 targets, and the SoC does draw significantly more power when running at 80MHz for exctended times |
| 10:28:54 | amiconn | So it might indeed cause the voltage to go too low. |
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| 10:29:36 | amiconn | Another possibility would be that the low yield rate confuses the powermgmt thread so that it reports low voltage when voltage isn't actually low |
| 10:31:32 | amiconn | What speaks somewhat against it is that the two targets I'm observing this on (Mini G2 and c240v1) have different battery ADCs (Mini has PCF50605, c200 has AS3514), while a PP5020 target with the same ADC as the Mini (iPod Color) doesn't show this behaviour |
| 10:31:54 | amiconn | (H10 uses a different ADC - the PP built-in one) |
| 10:35:20 | * | amiconn isn't actually sure about the iPod Color behaviour, but testing just now |
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| 10:52:29 | amiconn | Unhelpful: Actually I was wrong. The Color behaves the same, i.e. it shuts down |
| 10:53:38 | amiconn | The behaviour is indeed very weird. I started the -c5000 test on Mini G2 and Color almost at the same time. On both ipods, the backlight came on by itself after ~6 minutes and stayed on (!) |
| 10:53:59 | amiconn | After another ~6 minutes, the shutdown happened, also on both ipods |
| 10:54:19 | amiconn | So it's not just PP5022 |
| 10:54:46 | amiconn | And since I doubt the batteries behave exactly the same, it must be something in the code |
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| 11:52:46 | CIA-88 | New commit by stripwax (r24527): Reorder args for XPROD31_R and XNPROD31_R (aka a fixed version of previous commit) to ideally pick up some early termination benefits |
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| 11:54:40 | CIA-88 | New commit by stripwax (r24528): No point premultiplying by (-1)*(Twiddle) and then post multiplying by (-1)*(Twiddle) when you could just use Twiddle i.e. get rid of all that ... |
| 11:56:40 | stripwax | mdctexp for vorbis now faster than trunk was mid-april last year. I'll compare vs trunk today :) |
| 11:58:15 | Unhelpful | wouldn't that be twiddle^2? or is this another "transforms are funny" thing? |
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| 11:58:50 | stripwax | they're different twiddles. sorry, I wasn't clear! |
| 11:59:01 | n1s | stripwax: on cf too or just arm? also how much benefit does the early termination give? |
| 11:59:24 | stripwax | n1s - just arm, cos I've been using my ipod as my test target. |
| 11:59:33 | n1s | Unhelpful: have you concidered trying to get your optimized clz and division functions into libgcc? |
| 11:59:37 | stripwax | and I haven't written any coldfire asm in .. well... quite some time. |
| 11:59:53 | n1s | stripwax: ok, just curious |
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| 12:00:33 | stripwax | not sure how much benefit early termination gives, to be honest. Seems like perhaps about 0.5MHz benefit at low bitrates but about -0.5MHz at high bitrates. |
| 12:00:47 | stripwax | i.e. slightly worse. but i've not measured that rigorously |
| 12:01:08 | stripwax | n1s - you're welcome to take a look / try it out |
| 12:01:14 | stripwax | for coldfire, that is |
| 12:01:30 | AlexP | So he can't for arm? :) |
| 12:01:39 | stripwax | yeah or that too :)P |
| 12:02:07 | n1s | stripwax: i would like to but haven't brought any targets with me so i can't for a few months still |
| 12:02:21 | Unhelpful | n1s: i'm pretty sure cf has a fixed delay on multiply. armv4+tdmi can take 2-5 cycles depending on how many significant bytes the second input operand has |
| 12:02:31 | stripwax | yep |
| 12:03:36 | n1s | right, i was more thinking of how much spedup it gave, which stripwax answered :) |
| 12:03:50 | Unhelpful | the benefit can be nice if you're multiplying 32-bit values by 8- or 16-bit constants |
| 12:04:27 | n1s | yeah, i suppose gcc doesn't know or care about that? |
| 12:05:02 | Unhelpful | erm, by 8- or 16-bit values that are non-constant, really, on arm7tdmi. loads cost rather a lot there, so mul-by |
| 12:05:25 | Unhelpful | grr. mul-by-constant if the constant exceeds 8 bits is often easier to do with shift/add sequences |
| 12:08:55 | stripwax | if it's quite a simple constant .. wouldn't work for cPI2_8 |
| 12:12:40 | stripwax | the number of mult cyclces actually depends on how many *leading* 1s' (or 0s') the second input operand has - rather than just how many significant bytes |
| 12:18:02 | stripwax | Ok mdctexp is about 0.5MHz slower (at low bitrates) than trunk. still need to squeeze more out |
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| 12:32:49 | stripwax | mdctexp quite a lot faster for WMA! gosh. |
| 12:32:55 | Unhelpful | stripwax: i was treating all bits after the first one not matching the sign bit as significant... but yes, that's another way of putting it that might be clearer. |
| 12:33:14 | stripwax | ah yeah in that case we're talking about the same thing :) |
| 12:33:38 | * | Unhelpful supposes differences in speed change by codec mostly have to do with how much of their time is inside mdct |
| 12:34:30 | stripwax | and also how large the mdct is. it's likely that mdctexp scales differently for large/smaller block sizes than trunk. not yet sure if that means trunk is better for large or small block sizes though. but vorbis and wma use different block sizes |
| 12:36:35 | linuxstb | TheSeven: What's your plan with the NOR on the Nano2G? Are you intending to flash your own bootloader at some point? |
| 12:37:36 | linuxstb | And do I understand correctly that you have worked out how to recover from a bad NOR using the DFU recovery mode (built into the boot ROM?) ? |
| 12:42:10 | TheSeven | linuxstb: yes, a long-term goal could be replacing norboot. and yes, I can use the bootrom DFU mode for recovery. but only if i can enter it. and it is only entered if image validation for norboot fails, not if there is a valid, but non-working image |
| 12:42:56 | TheSeven | in that case, you would need to open up the ipod to unbrick it, by pulling a testpad high (which will force it to enter dfu mode) |
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| 13:34:58 | * | domonoky wonders if its worth to enable the other 12 8bit formats the asap codec supports. They dont have any real metadata, so enabling them is easy. |
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| 13:43:37 | * | domonoky decides that he will just enable those 12 other formats. more suported formats is always good. |
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| 14:40:04 | CIA-88 | New commit by Domonoky (r24533): remove rating button on theme overview. (now only available on themedetails page) |
| 14:48:38 | bertrik | I think I'll do a battery bench on my sansa clip with the voltage regulator set to a specific mode ("length regulation only", not using the charge pump) |
| 14:54:24 | CIA-88 | New commit by Domonoky (r24534): Add Zipcontents to theme details page. |
| 14:55:06 | rasher | domonoky: While you're poking at the theme site, I have a patch that might make sense |
| 14:55:34 | domonoky | rasher: feel free to poke at the page too :-) |
| 14:55:43 | rasher | Which is to check if an uploaded theme includes a font that's in the font package, and reject it |
| 14:55:54 | domonoky | that sounds good. |
| 14:55:55 | pixelma | domonoky: are the additional files also ".asap" files or another type? |
| 14:56:15 | domonoky | pixelma: you mean the file extension ? |
| 14:56:16 | pixelma | the ones you could play now |
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| 14:56:34 | pixelma | file extension and codec info in the WPS |
| 14:56:42 | rasher | domonoky: I'll post a patch, it's been a while since I did it, so it'd be great if you could have a look if it still makes sense |
| 14:57:04 | domonoky | file extension are those in the commit message + .sap |
| 14:57:16 | domonoky | dont know what the codec info in the wps displays :-) |
| 14:58:43 | domonoky | its all handled by one codec, but they are all different formats. like mp1 mp2 mp3 which are also handled by one codec. |
| 14:59:02 | domonoky | so i think the wps will display different codecs for all those different formats. |
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| 14:59:34 | domonoky | rasher: sure, post the patch, and i will look at it. |
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| 15:02:18 | Unhelpful | n1s: i'm not really sure how i'd go about that. i'm also not sure if they had a reason for using a worse-but-smaller divider on armv4... though i suspect it's probably just compiled from C code and the only arm instruction set version not to have been done in asm. |
| 15:03:05 | pixelma | domonoky: you can use plain %fc then it is probably true but you can also use it conditionally and I *think* this needs some changes to the parser. See http://www.rockbox.org/wiki/CustomWPS#File_Info |
| 15:03:15 | rasher | domonoky: FS #10970 |
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| 15:05:22 | pixelma | maybe "plain" asap hasn't been adapted yet. You could try with different WPSs/themes, I believe there are both ways in SVN themes (depemds on your target's screen size which ones these are and if at all) |
| 15:07:55 | domonoky | hm, the mentioned firmware/export/id3.h doesnt exist anymore. |
| 15:08:24 | domonoky | and if it uses the enum from metadata.h it should now also include those new filetypes. |
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| 15:10:28 | domonoky | i hope that it automatically includes new codec types, and only the wiki is wrong. (wiki also doesnt mention the rm types) |
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| 15:12:10 | * | domonoky looks again at the code: if it uses the enum/struct from metadata.c/h all asap fileformats will display "asap", similar as mp1/mp2/mp3 all display "mpa" |
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| 15:13:34 | perfectdrug | domonoky: I saw you're editing the themes site, in the detail view shouldn't "feedback" be renamed to "report" as it suggests general feedback without the description underneath, also I would like to see better rating stars where can I find the images to edit |
| 15:14:02 | pixelma | they don't - or at least didn't when I last looked |
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| 15:16:53 | CIA-88 | New commit by Domonoky (r24535): rename Feedback to Report, and move rateing input. |
| 15:17:14 | domonoky | perfectdrug: done :-) |
| 15:17:36 | domonoky | pixelma: then i dont know what the wps uses to display this :-) |
| 15:18:44 | perfectdrug | domonoky: :) |
| 15:20:18 | domonoky | rasher: patch looks fine. please commit it :-) |
| 15:21:30 | CIA-88 | New commit by rasher (r24536): Reject uploaded themes if they contain a font from the font pack. |
| 15:21:32 | perfectdrug | domonoky: firefox tells me that the rating stars are 12x12 and are scaled to 15x15. are they scaled depending on the screensize or shouldn't they be scaled at all |
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| 15:25:19 | domonoky | perfectdrug: html template says display 15x15, but the images are 12x12. No scaling to screensize intended, i just played with the values till i decided it looks fine :-) |
| 15:26:24 | domonoky | perfectdrug: feel free to improve/play with the themesite code. its available via svn, and i also could provide you a vmware image with a test server :-) |
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| 15:28:38 | pixelma | star images that are 15 x 15 might be a start |
| 15:29:51 | perfectdrug | ok so I make some new stars 15x15 atm, a vmware image would be nice I guess but I don't think it's worth it for me, as I don't understand much of website coding |
| 15:32:16 | domonoky | perfectdrug: new starimages would be nice. i need a full filled star, a half filled and a empty star. |
| 15:33:42 | CIA-88 | New commit by bertrik (r24537): as3525: add a few more CGU_PERI definitions |
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| 15:57:30 | pixelma | I have a small patch for english.lang (removing the mention of MP3 for .talk files). Should the respective update to deutsch.lang be a seperate commit or can I commit both changes together? |
| 15:58:29 | perfectdrug | i don't know if this works as I used the rockboxyellow: http://dl.dropbox.com/u/283924/empty.png http://dl.dropbox.com/u/283924/half.png http://dl.dropbox.com/u/283924/filled.png |
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| 16:07:43 | CIA-88 | New commit by Domonoky (r24538): New star images for the ratings from Marko Pahlke. |
| 16:11:38 | perfectdrug | domonoky: cool this was faster than i thought |
| 16:12:27 | domonoky | :-) |
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| 16:34:37 | CIA-88 | New commit by mc2739 (r24539): Czech language ... |
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| 16:47:00 | * | bluebroth3r now has a voice file generated with the TTS system of OS X :) |
| 16:56:01 | kugel | hm, the sidebar looks differently on the forums |
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| 17:14:57 | Will_ | is it ok to use x64 Ubuntu to compile Rockbox? |
| 17:15:07 | rasher | Yes |
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| 17:18:17 | pixelma | is the rockbox page unavailable to someone else too? |
| 17:18:44 | bertrik | works fine for me |
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| 17:21:33 | linuxstb | Me too... |
| 17:22:28 | bluebroth3r | any objections to closing FS #10972? It's definitely not a bug |
| 17:28:41 | rasher | Close close close! |
| 17:29:04 | linuxstb | bluebroth3r: That seems an obvious feature request. You could point him to http://forums.rockbox.org/index.php?board=49.0 |
| 17:29:58 | * | bluebroth3r just closed it with a notice (but without a link) |
| 17:34:25 | pixelma | no opinion about my lang commit question earlier? |
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| 17:36:54 | rasher | I don't see a reason to commit them separately |
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| 17:40:34 | domonoky | bluebroth3r: cool, |
| 17:40:49 | CIA-88 | New commit by pixelma (r24540): Remove 'mp3' from the .talk files setting as it isn't true for most targets. This way we don't need different strings for hwcodec and swcodec. Update ... |
| 17:42:35 | domonoky | bluebroth3r: if you are fiddeling with the tts system in rbutil, you might also want to look at the open-sapi patch in the tracker. :-) (which gives sapi voices on win/lin/mac) |
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| 17:50:02 | bluebroth3r | domonoky: ok. There's still a lot to do though, my current changes are pretty rough (and have some strange issues I need to figure first) |
| 17:50:19 | bluebroth3r | but why opensapi for windows? Doesn't windows support SAPI out of the box? ;-) |
| 17:52:10 | domonoky | bluebroth3r: opensapi acts like a interface layer, like the sapi_voice script we use currently. on lin/mac it uses wine to run sapi. |
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| 17:52:41 | domonoky | so we can replace the sapi_voice script with the open-sapi binarys, and dont have to maintain two sapi tts classes. |
| 17:52:52 | * | bluebroth3r has a hanging rbutil on autodetect :( |
| 17:53:03 | bluebroth3r | domonoky: sounds nice :) |
| 17:54:53 | domonoky | the downside is, that this opensapi binarys are quite big. so i am unsure if we really should embedd them. |
| 17:56:46 | bluebroth3r | well, let's see later. There's enough to do for OS X Speech Syntesizer support first |
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| 17:57:41 | bluebroth3r | btw, how do you feel about dropping support for OS X 10.4? Qt 4.7 is likely to drop it, and some of the audio functionality that might be nice is only available starting with 10.5 |
| 17:57:55 | FlynDice | bertrik: The clip+ pwr button appears to be on D6 as you found yesterday and you mentioned another here−−>[14:41] <bertrik> yes maybe, there's also another pin being made temporarily high while reading D6 Do you recall which one that was? |
| 17:58:23 | bluebroth3r | one problem is that the TTS system of OS X creates aiff files, while we need wav. I'm currently using libsndfile for conversion, but it's yet another dependency on a library |
| 17:58:44 | * | kugel found his fuzev2 disassembly |
| 17:59:24 | domonoky | i am not sure about the 10.4 issue. dont know how many macs with 10.4 are out there. |
| 17:59:59 | domonoky | bluebroth3r: or make rbspeexenc accept aiff :-) |
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| 18:00:49 | bluebroth3r | domonoky: what about wavtrim? That would need adjustment too |
| 18:01:13 | domonoky | true, |
| 18:01:15 | bluebroth3r | the thing is that there's a way to convert this with OS X itself, but the API I looked at requires at least 10.5 |
| 18:01:23 | pixelma | in the office I currently work in, there are a few running 10.4 |
| 18:01:50 | pixelma | not sure how represantative is |
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| 18:01:55 | bluebroth3r | hehe, that "Pipe Organ" voice is funny. Not really suitable for serious use, though. |
| 18:02:13 | * | bluebroth3r has a feeling that there are still quite a few out there |
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| 18:02:58 | bluebroth3r | well, if I manage to get it working nicely with libsndfile that isn't a reason anymore |
| 18:03:17 | kugel | pixelma: isn't the source in all languages wrong now? (re your commit)? |
| 18:03:47 | pixelma | yes, and it should be so that translators will have a look at it |
| 18:04:17 | pixelma | I don't know if other languages contain the "mp3" part and how they would have to be changed if they do |
| 18:04:17 | bluebroth3r | domonoky: would it be hard to make voice generation multithreaded? It's a bit annoying to see it taking quite a while but only using one of the two cores on my mac |
| 18:04:47 | domonoky | bluebroth3r: at least for parts of it should be easy. |
| 18:05:27 | domonoky | for example the encoding could be easily done paralell with the QConcurrent api. |
| 18:07:15 | pixelma | there were no complaints (I saw) about Rockbox USB support being broken during the time it was on MacOS 10.4 (from introducing HID until it was possible to disable it) so maybe not that many Macs with 10.4 and Rockbox USB target users) |
| 18:07:18 | bluebroth3r | I'm not really familiar with that API. Did a bit of looking into QThread but that's it. Might be worth a try. |
| 18:08:14 | domonoky | creating voice files is similarly easy todo in paralell, but i am not sure if all tts engines we use are multthread safe. |
| 18:12:42 | kugel | openmp? |
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| 18:55:28 | TheSeven | linuxstb: I've made quite some progress during the last hours |
| 18:56:02 | linuxstb | TheSeven: With the NOR? |
| 18:56:09 | TheSeven | yep |
| 18:56:43 | TheSeven | i could theoretically bootstrap almost everything through DFU now |
| 18:56:54 | TheSeven | most of the hardware init stuff is figured out... |
| 18:57:28 | TheSeven | and the flasher seems to work fine, but is still slow (~15KB/s) |
| 18:58:37 | kugel | does your work mean you could potentially flash rockbox to the nor and replace the apple os completely? |
| 18:58:51 | linuxstb | So DFU mode is entered if a) the NAND is invalid; or b) you pull a testpad high? |
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| 19:15:56 | saratoga | Unhelpful: Uchida came back! you should have asked him for a contact email |
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| 19:28:02 | bertrik | FlynDice, nice to hear about the power button find, I'll need to have another look at the button read code |
| 19:28:35 | TheSeven | linuxstb: s/NAND/NOR/, but the rest is correct |
| 19:29:10 | linuxstb | TheSeven: Yes, I meant to say NOR ;) |
| 19:29:29 | linuxstb | TheSeven: Does the DFU payload need encrypting? |
| 19:29:30 | bertrik | the meizus and the samsung yp-s3 (s5l8700 targets) all connect the go-to-DFU mode to a physical button |
| 19:29:37 | TheSeven | linuxstb: yes |
| 19:29:55 | linuxstb | TheSeven: With which key? |
| 19:30:01 | TheSeven | GID |
| 19:30:11 | TheSeven | but there is a buffer overflow in the dfu code itself that could potentially be used, even though I didn't manage to exploit it yet |
| 19:30:15 | linuxstb | That's the same as the firmware images on the NAND ? |
| 19:30:37 | TheSeven | bertrik: didn't they do it through the BOOT_MODE pin? |
| 19:30:54 | TheSeven | linuxstb: the key, yes. the container format is a little different |
| 19:31:07 | TheSeven | they're using a total of 3 crypto container formats! |
| 19:31:34 | linuxstb | TheSeven: OK. But the important thing is that it can be generated once, and then used on any ipod? |
| 19:31:41 | TheSeven | yep |
| 19:32:14 | TheSeven | so you can use a different ipod to recover you own one ;-) |
| 19:32:31 | linuxstb | Yes, the alternative would be a bit tricky ;) |
| 19:33:50 | TheSeven | i already made a DFU image that contains the most recent ibugger loader |
| 19:34:04 | TheSeven | so we can basically use that to run whatever we want on it |
| 19:34:47 | linuxstb | How big is the NOR? |
| 19:34:59 | TheSeven | 1MB |
| 19:36:34 | saratoga | is ebay the best bet to buy a Nano 2G? |
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| 19:38:31 | TheSeven | probably |
| 19:39:30 | * | TheSeven grumbles about that oscillator switch on the nano |
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| 19:40:50 | Luca_S | I'm following the recent work on the Clip+V2 and have a question |
| 19:41:29 | topik | there is no clip+ v2 though |
| 19:41:36 | Luca_S | oh well clip+ |
| 19:41:38 | Luca_S | sorry |
| 19:41:49 | Luca_S | on the first commit about the Clip+ there was a comment that said 'this should make the fuzev2 boot loader easier' |
| 19:41:56 | Luca_S | was it a typo? |
| 19:42:18 | Luca_S | or the clip+ and the fuzev2 have something in common? |
| 19:42:32 | topik | all ams sansa's have a lot in common |
| 19:42:56 | saratoga | they're nearly the same hardware put into different boxes |
| 19:42:57 | topik | it wasn't a typo |
| 19:43:35 | Luca_S | nice to hear :D |
| 19:43:53 | Luca_S | I had an e280 that got stolen some time ago |
| 19:44:13 | Luca_S | I bought a fuze hoping it was a v1, but it was a v1 and got stuck with the OF |
| 19:44:17 | Luca_S | *v2 |
| 19:44:49 | Luca_S | well, gotta go... keep rocking guys :D |
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| 19:52:11 | kugel | in fact, my fuzev2 runs a "bootloader" already |
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| 19:54:56 | kugel | bertrik: the fuzev2 polls gpio for buttons, but the dbop_read_din still exists |
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| 20:00:39 | TheSeven | linuxstb: have you figured out how to initialize your type of lcds properly? |
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| 20:04:27 | linuxstb | TheSeven: No, I haven't done anything with my Nano for months... |
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| 20:05:36 | TheSeven | hm, I think I remember you worked on some lcd init stuff back then |
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| 20:39:07 | Unhelpful | saratoga: wish i'd known we needed one... |
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| 20:42:42 | Alfadas | hey guys! can someone help me? a friend of mine installed rockbox on my ipod nano 2g. Almost everything workes fine. But everytime i klick next/previous song my audio channels swap. that's really annoying :( |
| 20:44:03 | bertrik | FlynDice, it switches GPIO B6 as output, waits a bit, then reads GPIO D6 but only if the earlier D6 read returned 0 |
| 20:44:41 | bertrik | I don't see which way GPIO B6 is switched (high or low). I also don't see it being switched back to being input. |
| 20:44:57 | bertrik | so in short, I don't quite understand it yet :P |
| 20:44:57 | FlynDice | bertrik: That's interesting.. Thanks for going back to look!. |
| 20:45:03 | * | TheSeven wonders which GPIO the hold switch on nano2g is |
| 20:45:40 | TheSeven | Alfadas: someone reported something similar yesterday. I need to look into this... |
| 20:46:03 | FlynDice | bertrik: Can you give me an address for the button code? |
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| 20:47:17 | bertrik | FlynDice, the entire button read code starts at 0x7988 |
| 20:47:29 | FlynDice | Thanks! |
| 20:47:56 | bertrik | the GPIO B6 thing starts at 0x7a50 (in the same function) |
| 20:48:45 | Alfadas | okay, thx :) this bug is getting on my nerves :( |
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| 20:53:13 | Alfadas | thx TheSeven :) i have to go now.. bye guys =) |
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| 21:08:04 | TheSeven | does anyone around here have an opened-up nano2g or is willing to open it? |
| 21:14:41 | piotrekm | TheSeven: you mean for testing or just reference? I would be willing, but in two weeks i'm afraid. |
| 21:15:29 | TheSeven | for testing |
| 21:15:56 | TheSeven | i am currently preparing a replacement for norboot, and need someone to test it |
| 21:16:10 | TheSeven | if it fails, you'll need to open your ipod in order to be able to recover |
| 21:16:17 | bluebroth3r | hmm. What encoding is used for voice files? utf-8, right? |
| 21:16:22 | TheSeven | and it isn't very unlikely that it will fail :-/ |
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| 21:22:47 | piotrekm | TheSeven: if two weeks is not a problem, you can count me in. Provided i will akways be able to recover it anyhow by myself |
| 21:23:25 | TheSeven | it would involve opening it and connecting two testpoints on the board |
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| 21:26:29 | piotrekm | That sounds ok |
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| 22:24:58 | piotrekm | Does radio support work on nano2g? |
| 22:28:46 | TheSeven | probably not |
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| 22:33:58 | bertrik | I think we do support radio on the remote of the ipod color/video |
| 22:34:36 | bertrik | so it's "just" a question of enabling the uart to be able to talk to the remote, right? |
| 22:34:51 | saratoga | should be |
| 22:37:09 | TheSeven | someone needs to do it ;-) |
| 22:37:57 | * | bertrik sees a great opportunity for piotrekm to help |
| 22:38:46 | TheSeven | i even have a little bit of uart example code ;-) |
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| 22:45:40 | TheSeven | bertrik: btw, in what shape are the other s5l870x ports? |
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| 22:47:09 | bertrik | basically the same as before, not very far, I have a bootloader for the yp-s3 that can read buttons, control leds, backlight, LCD, radio, but can't boot anything |
| 22:47:44 | TheSeven | so what's the blocker? the ftl? |
| 22:47:48 | bertrik | the meizu m3 bootloader can control LCD, read touchstrip, play a short audio clip (possibly broken by now), but can't boot either |
| 22:48:22 | bertrik | the meizu m6 only has a half-working display driver (hangs after activating the display) |
| 22:48:28 | bertrik | TheSeven, yes basically |
| 22:49:28 | bertrik | also, I think I'm the only one "working" on it at all AFAIK |
| 22:50:19 | saratoga | anyone feel like benchmarking the mdctlib on coldfire? i can provide binaries if needed |
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| 22:50:33 | TheSeven | working out how to read from the flash shouldn't be too hard... |
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| 22:55:27 | linuxstb | TheSeven: When you say you need someone to test a new nor image, do you mean after you've tested it? Or instead of you testing it? ;) |
| 22:55:43 | TheSeven | both :-D |
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| 22:56:11 | TheSeven | if anyone has an opened-up ipod lying around, he should obviously test it first. |
| 22:56:30 | TheSeven | i don't really want to open mine, and i don't even have proper tools to do so |
| 22:57:08 | TheSeven | too bad that stooo isn't around |
| 22:58:48 | Buschel | anyone with a coldfire target willing to test fs#10974? |
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| 23:00:26 | pixelma | hooray for consistency - in the Rockbox Utility German translation we have "Talk Dateien", "Talkdateien", "Talk-Dateien", ".talk Dateien" and in one place "Sprachdateien" - Rockbox itself uses "Sprachclips" |
| 23:00:26 | linuxstb | TheSeven: So how have you been testing DFU? |
| 23:01:21 | domonoky | pixelma: :-) feel free to improve the translation. |
| 23:01:37 | TheSeven | linuxstb: testing dfu is relatively low-risk |
| 23:02:00 | TheSeven | stooo verified a dfu-based trivial ibugger for me, and from that point i worked on my own ipod |
| 23:02:37 | linuxstb | TheSeven: But I mean how do you enter DFU mode? |
| 23:02:45 | TheSeven | i just trashed norboot on the flash |
| 23:02:55 | pixelma | domonoky: is it possible under windows/cygwin? |
| 23:03:17 | TheSeven | the only thing that is really bad is if you have a norboot image that passes validation but fails to work |
| 23:03:37 | linuxstb | TheSeven: Ah, OK. So you corrupt your NOR, play with DFU, then fix the NOR? |
| 23:04:17 | domonoky | pixelma: just windows needed. get qLinguist and edit the german.ts from svn |
| 23:04:26 | TheSeven | linuxstb: basically yes |
| 23:04:43 | pixelma | domonoky: need to google for that |
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| 23:07:08 | domonoky | pixelma: http://code.google.com/p/qtlinguistdownload/ for a download with only QLinguist |
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| 23:10:24 | pixelma | thanks |
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| 23:11:08 | domonoky | pixelma: ideally you should run lupdate rbutilqt.pro before translating to make sure you got the newest string. but then you need the full qt enviroment. |
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| 23:12:31 | domonoky | pixelma: or just use this http://pastebin.com/m1adfe180 rbutil_de.ts file (i just lupdated it) :-) |
| 23:14:15 | pixelma | I'd also wish the Utility would stay in the generate talk clips window when ready - or at least keep the setting for installing talk clips for files or not |
| 23:14:31 | TheSeven | linuxstb: sounds like my loader works ;-) |
| 23:15:11 | amiconn | bluebroth3r: Nope. The encoding used for voice files is either bitswapped mp3 or speex, depending on target ;) |
| 23:15:14 | toffe82 | I have a funny message with rbutil 1.24 : target mismatch detected : installed target : gigabeatf , selected target : Gigabeat F / X |
| 23:15:32 | toffe82 | is this due to the change of the target name ? |
| 23:16:06 | domonoky | toffe82: yes. |
| 23:16:15 | toffe82 | ok |
| 23:16:20 | domonoky | gigabeatf is now named gigabeatfx |
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| 23:17:57 | amiconn | domonoky: Does the version of 'lupdate' matter? |
| 23:18:55 | domonoky | amiconn: probably not much, i would expect the .ts format to be pretty stable in qt. |
| 23:19:43 | pixelma | toffe82: http://forums.rockbox.org/index.php?topic=23804.msg161722#msg161722 |
| 23:19:50 | pixelma | and following |
| 23:20:04 | toffe82 | pixelma: thanks |
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| 23:27:27 | pamaury | how does the build script measure binsize increase/decrease ? I would like to test on my computer to know whether some optimizing are worthless or not |
| 23:28:58 | linuxstb | See the rockbox-info.txt file created by the build system (as part of make zip I think) |
| 23:29:30 | pamaury | thanks ! |
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| 23:40:22 | amiconn | domonoky: Hmm, I just tried to build rbutilqt, and it worked (the only package I had to install was libusb-dev, as I already hat most of the Qt stuff installed for buliding quassel) |
| 23:40:42 | amiconn | It seems that the encoding for Turkisch in the language selection dialog is broken |
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| 23:41:00 | TheSeven | linuxstb: success! |
| 23:41:11 | TheSeven | i just replaced norboot on mine, and it works flawlessly! |
| 23:42:06 | amiconn | It reads T<black-square-questionmark>rk<black-square-questionmark>e (tr), whereas the other languages are either displayed properly, or with a few no-such-character rectangles |
| 23:43:00 | * | domonoky sees T<rectangle>rk<rectangle> (tr) with svn |
| 23:43:29 | * | amiconn slaps forehead |
| 23:43:41 | amiconn | That working copy is some 2000 revisions behind... |
| 23:45:27 | amiconn | Hmm, more languages but Turkish still broken |
| 23:45:33 | * | amiconn tried a full rebuild |
| 23:45:36 | amiconn | *tries |
| 23:46:03 | amiconn | Didn't help... |
| 23:46:12 | domonoky | hm, which os ? |
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| 23:46:36 | amiconn | Debian-amd64 |
| 23:46:39 | amiconn | Qt 4.5.3 |
| 23:46:54 | * | domonoky has Qt 4.5.0 on windows :-) |
| 23:49:51 | piotrekm | TheSeven: you mean you booted rockbox without the apple logo being displayed? |
| 23:49:56 | amiconn | This looks like Turkish isn't properly utf-8 encoded |
| 23:50:08 | TheSeven | piotrekm: not yet |
| 23:50:11 | * | amiconn wonders where the language names are coming from |
| 23:50:44 | TheSeven | that will be the next step |
| 23:50:56 | | Quit rhodan_ (Ping timeout: 276 seconds) |
| 23:51:06 | TheSeven | but i have a way to do that with a relatively low bricking risk now |
| 23:51:36 | TheSeven | (a tiny loader that will go to a recovery mode when you flick the hold switch quick enough after a reset) |
| 23:54:14 | bluebroth3r | something with the turkish translation is definitely broken. |
| 23:54:23 | * | bluebroth3r wonders if he hit a Qt bug |
| 23:55:03 | bluebroth3r | looks like QString::toLocal8Bit() does the same as QString::toUtf8() on Mac. At least when building with gcc-4.2 for OS X 10.5 upwards |
| 23:55:10 | * | bluebroth3r goes trying with gcc-4.0 |
| 23:56:25 | domonoky | amiconn: the language name comes from the .ts file. |
| 23:56:29 | piotrekm | But is the norboot part responsible for any tasks that would have to be covered by rockbox after the replacement? |
| 23:57:42 | amiconn | domonoky, bluebroth3r: The encoding of that file is wrong then. Check e.g. line 329 |
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