| 00:01:10 | amiconn | Hmm, maybe not |
| 00:01:14 | * | amiconn is confused |
| 00:01:23 | domonoky | bluebroth3r: wild guess: mac 10.5 defaults to utf8 as its local 8bit encoding ? |
| 00:02:12 | bluebroth3r | domonoky: maybe. |
| 00:02:54 | bluebroth3r | but that would be kinda bad, as some of the underlying APIs still use "old" encodings. And I need to convert to that ... |
| 00:03:36 | bluebroth3r | my test program works fine if I put umlauts in the string in Mac Roman encoding. But it seems that Qt doesn't even return a proper QTextCodec for Mac Roman :( |
| 00:03:51 | bluebroth3r | the documentation says it's supported :/ |
| 00:08:24 | amiconn | It is utf-8, but the multibyte chars seem to be all wrong |
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| 00:14:43 | amiconn | bluebroth3r: *All* non-ascii characters in that file are encoded as the utf-8 sequence EF BF BD, which translates to character 0xFFDD, and that charr is undefined |
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| 00:18:29 | amiconn | Sorry, it's 0xFFFD, and that's explicitly the no-such-char char |
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| 00:20:43 | bluebroth3r | amiconn: interesting. So that translation is completely broken iiuc |
| 00:20:49 | amiconn | yep |
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| 00:21:36 | bluebroth3r | we could simply drop it. It has 44% of the string translated, only chinese is worse. |
| 00:23:44 | bluebroth3r | a web translation tool for rbutil would be great ... |
| 00:24:55 | baptiste_ | Hi! I have installed rockbox on my Ipod, but I don't know how to transfer music / podcast or video. Does Banshee application (or Rythmbox, Amarok,...) kepp on being useful when Rockbox is installed or is there an other way? Thanks! |
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| 00:25:25 | AlexP | baptiste_: Do whatever you want |
| 00:26:05 | AlexP | baptiste_: You can then either browse by filename, or use a tag-based database |
| 00:27:17 | baptiste_ | AlexP_, in which repertory can I copy / paste via Ipod's folders? |
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| 00:27:45 | AlexP | baptiste_: Anywhere you want (although it is best to avoid /.rockbox |
| 00:28:21 | bluebroth3r | baptiste_: put the files anywhere you want. Rockbox does not care about it. If you want to you can keep using Itunes / and Itunes compatible program (but then you'd need to use the database as Itunes scrambles the filenames) |
| 00:28:32 | baptiste_ | AlexP, In "/media/IPOD (HP_AD" repertory directly? |
| 00:28:42 | AlexP | If you like :) |
| 00:29:00 | AlexP | You can put it anywhere you like in any organisation you like |
| 00:29:10 | AlexP | Rockbox really doesn't care, live the free life |
| 00:29:24 | baptiste_ | AlexP, And what about the former data (Itunes organization...)? |
| 00:29:45 | AlexP | If you aren't going to use the Apple firmware then you can delete it |
| 00:31:01 | AlexP | As bluebroth3r said, if you want to continue using the Apple firmware then you will need to transfer the music with something itunes compatible. This will scramble the filenames, so you will not be able to browse by filename and will have to use the Rockbox database |
| 00:32:06 | baptiste_ | AlexP, I will try to make simple, as free & simple Rockbox seems to be! |
| 00:32:16 | AlexP | hehe, good luck :) |
| 00:33:46 | perfectdrug | saratoga: i have a h300 give me the binary and tell me what to test if you want |
| 00:34:01 | saratoga | perfectdrug: have you used test_codec before? |
| 00:34:54 | perfectdrug | no:( |
| 00:35:08 | saratoga | its a viewer that can be used to benchmark files |
| 00:35:19 | perfectdrug | i thought its a viewer yeah |
| 00:35:50 | saratoga | can you compile stock svn builds? |
| 00:35:55 | perfectdrug | yes |
| 00:37:03 | saratoga | would you try benchmarking this file: http://download.rockbox.org/test_files/wma_192.wma |
| 00:37:23 | saratoga | using stock SVN (but with "test_codec.c" added to apps/plugins/SOURCES |
| 00:37:35 | saratoga | so that test_codec is available |
| 00:37:56 | saratoga | it seems that the mdct branch isn't compiling on coldfire at the moment, i'll see if i can fix it in the meantime |
| 00:38:18 | perfectdrug | ok will do |
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| 00:46:29 | saratoga | perfectdrug: http://duke.edu/~mgg6/rockbox/h300_mdct.7z |
| 00:46:38 | saratoga | first try it to make sure that WMA file decodes correctly |
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| 00:52:32 | saratoga | stripwax: ping |
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| 01:08:58 | pamaury | Am I the only one who is shocked by the implementation of strncasecmp ? This is clearly suboptimal, both is size and in speed |
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| 01:17:01 | TheSeven | linuxstb: i just flashed iloader to the nor, it works :-D |
| 01:17:44 | TheSeven | (of course I lose things like disk- and diagmode, and FTL recovery that way) |
| 01:18:20 | perfectdrug | saratoga: stock svn http://img15.imageshack.us/img15/3727/dump100207011702.png mdct branch http://img16.imageshack.us/img16/6320/dump100207012134mdct.png |
| 01:18:23 | baptiste_ | alexp, it is extra - just copy / paste and the files appear! (and it works). But now, I wonder whick format is available for video? .avi for example? |
| 01:18:42 | AlexP | mpeg 1/2 |
| 01:18:54 | AlexP | see www.rockbox.org/wiki/PluginMpegplayer |
| 01:19:39 | TheSeven | there is still a lot of work to be done though |
| 01:19:52 | baptiste_ | ok. and i have read somewhere taht the apply "avidemux" is a way to convert .avi to .mpeg1/2, is'nt? |
| 01:20:10 | TheSeven | we need to make that thing more bulletproof, implement the other lcd types, and think of a boot menu / a way to launch things like diskmode |
| 01:20:17 | TheSeven | and of course of a way to install all this |
| 01:20:41 | AlexP | baptiste_: I don't know. There are some recomendations on that page. |
| 01:20:52 | baptiste_ | alexp, thank you |
| 01:21:10 | AlexP | no problem |
| 01:22:17 | baptiste_ | theseven, I just want to say that the simplicity of a copy/paste is exactly what I was looking in installating rockbox on my ipod. I can't regret!! |
| 01:22:39 | saratoga | perfectdrug: thanks, good to know |
| 01:24:34 | TheSeven | and another question is what will happen if itunes tries to update such a hacked ipod |
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| 01:26:52 | amiconn | Does itunes even recognise such an ipod? |
| 01:27:06 | TheSeven | yes, it will |
| 01:27:35 | TheSeven | we could of course make it unrecognizable by removing dualboot and changing the device id, and such things |
| 01:28:18 | TheSeven | but dualboot with a hacked norboot will obviously cause trouble at some point |
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| 01:32:51 | pamaury | Is there anyone here against some optimisation in strncasecmp ? |
| 01:35:02 | saratoga | http://pastebin.com/m3ed93773 |
| 01:35:10 | saratoga | does this ASM block really only declare one output? |
| 01:36:31 | amiconn | yes |
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| 01:36:48 | saratoga | i think that is wrong then, although it does work |
| 01:36:52 | saratoga | since x and y are the return values |
| 01:37:21 | amiconn | x and y are pointers, judging from that code |
| 01:37:49 | CIA-88 | New commit by pamaury (r24542): Optimize (size and speed) strncasecmp (based on a newlib patch). |
| 01:37:58 | amiconn | The block writes the results for x and y there. The (only) output is the advanced 'a' pointer |
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| 01:38:15 | amiconn | That's why the block mentions 'memory' in its clobber list |
| 01:38:25 | saratoga | ah of course |
| 01:39:34 | saratoga | i see the XNPROD31_R macro operates on direct values, while XNPROD31 is on pointers |
| 01:39:39 | amiconn | Actually 'a' isn't a pointer, it's an input value that is declared to be an output as well because it is used as a scratch reg |
| 01:40:55 | * | amiconn guesses the _R has an actual meaning... |
| 01:42:57 | saratoga | stripwax: (for the logs) the new mdctlib is only 1.5MHz slower on Coldfire, and thats using the non-ASM XNPROD31_R macros |
| 01:43:34 | saratoga | also FWIW the XNPROD31_R commits broke coldfire |
| 01:44:14 | pamaury | hehe, nice green delta |
| 01:45:01 | amiconn | I guess this is an attempt to speed things up. If x and y need to be stored in memory, interleaving the stores with retrieving the values from the emac accumulators reduces pipeline stalling |
| 01:46:21 | saratoga | amiconn: I don't know a thing about Coldfire ASM, i was just trying to fix a compiler error so we could benchmark |
| 01:46:41 | saratoga | if you're interested, I could tell you exactly what needs to be in ASM to make the library much faster on CF though |
| 01:47:18 | saratoga | its actually not very much |
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| 03:53:03 | JdGordon | pixelma: amiconn: can one of you please test FS #10853 on a hwcodec+radio target? I'm probably not going to keep nagging and will just assume it works when its ready on swcodec |
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| 03:59:54 | JdGordon | ok, I will nag once more when its not 3am your time :p |
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| 06:23:39 | shodan45 | does rockbox run on an OS, or does it run on the bare hardware? |
| 06:29:09 | shodan45 | I have a sansa fuze, what cpu arch should I use to build rockbox? |
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| 06:34:32 | krazykit | shodan45, rockbox is the firmware, it's not like a programming running on an operating system |
| 06:34:37 | krazykit | and the fuze would be arm |
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| 06:37:17 | shodan45 | krazykit, ok, but does rockbox support things like multitasking, etc? |
| 06:37:36 | shodan45 | and thx on the arm cpu |
| 06:40:37 | krazykit | well, you can listen to music and play certain games at the same time, so i guess that counts |
| 06:44:45 | shodan45 | hm, would running a "normal" OS like linux drain the battery, etc. of an mp3 player? |
| 06:45:22 | shodan45 | I do have some experience with angstrom & openembedded... |
| 06:47:09 | krazykit | well that's getting offtopic... |
| 06:47:25 | shodan45 | :P |
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| 06:47:51 | shodan45 | is support for other video formats planned? |
| 06:47:52 | krazykit | anything making the processor boost will lower runtime, though (playing doom, for example, or video) |
| 06:47:58 | krazykit | nothing is planned |
| 06:48:05 | krazykit | not exactly, anyway |
| 06:48:17 | krazykit | if you want a feature, it's encouraged to submit a patch :) |
| 06:49:02 | shodan45 | ok, how about this then: is anyone currently working on other video formats? ;) |
| 06:50:07 | krazykit | i don't know. if anyone is, hopefully they've posted on the tracker or the ML |
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| 06:53:47 | robin0800 | shodan45: they won't go in because you still have to transcode for screen size etc so they reckon wile doing this you can change the format |
| 06:57:33 | shodan45 | robin0800, I was just thinking to use something more efficient than mpeg1/2 |
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| 07:01:42 | froggyman | mpeg 1/2 have low levels of compression, so they dont require very much processor power (keep in mind that most of these players have *very* limited processors and other resources) to play on the device |
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| 12:29:36 | benald | Hi - I've had Rockbox running on my Cowon D2+ DAB for about 3 weeks now. I absolutely love it. In many respects it is so much better than Cowons own software! |
| 12:30:06 | pixelma | nice to hear :) |
| 12:30:46 | benald | It's interesting to read the technical stuff you guys have about the player too... |
| 12:32:07 | benald | I wrote a piece about how i got on with the player and came to install Rockbox here... http://www.ecoln.com/phpBB2/viewtopic.php?t=69 |
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| 12:38:03 | pixelma | I believe someone already discovered it and linked it here. Thanks |
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| 13:21:46 | Buschel | call for test: can anyone with a coldfire target please test fs#10974? |
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| 13:25:23 | pixelma | Buschel: are there example mpc files? Although if I test it'll take a while |
| 13:28:33 | amiconn | http://download.rockbox.org/test_files/ |
| 13:29:13 | _av500_ | anbody at fosdem? |
| 13:31:02 | pixelma | some are |
| 13:31:34 | _av500_ | im sittting nxt to them now :) |
| 13:35:29 | AlexP | _av500_: Bagder, Zagor, gevaerts and petur are there |
| 13:35:50 | pamaury | what is the current talk about ? |
| 13:36:17 | _av500_ | build stuff |
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| 13:38:59 | Buschel | pixelma: sorry, back again. amiconn gave you the right link −− it would be fine if could just test the mpc_170.mpc file |
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| 13:43:28 | pixelma | JdGordon: the radio_skin.patch doesn't even compile for my Ondio |
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| 13:44:45 | pixelma | warnings in skin_display.c and errors out in radio.c |
| 13:47:46 | pixelma | Buschel: I get a failed hunk in apps/codecs/libmusepack/synth_filter_arm.S when trying to patch a recent SVN (updated a few hours ago) |
| 13:48:18 | Buschel | pixelma: yes, but that won't impact the decoder. |
| 13:48:28 | Buschel | ...or the test... |
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| 14:00:26 | _av500_ | omfg daniel on stage |
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| 14:03:33 | pixelma | pamaury: could you please stop top-posting and quoting the full messages in the mailing list. It makes your mails very hard to follow (and is actually against the list etiquette, there are dozens of pages explaining why and a felt 100 threads about it in our mailing list archives already) |
| 14:04:27 | pamaury | ok sorry, my webmail does by default and I didn't think about. |
| 14:05:40 | pixelma | thanks :) |
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| 14:13:48 | pamaury | huh, why are there two copies of the exact same code in firmware/common/filefunc.c and firmware/common/misc.c, the strip_volume function ? |
| 14:16:07 | bertrik | pamaury, no idea, laziness maybe |
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| 14:16:34 | pamaury | hum, that's bizarre. common/misc.c is not included in firmware/SOURCES |
| 14:17:42 | bertrik | we should probably remote it completely then |
| 14:17:54 | bertrik | *remove |
| 14:25:21 | pamaury | that file was created byt mcuelenaere |
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| 14:28:59 | pamaury | I think he forgot to delete it after moving it |
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| 14:30:05 | bertrik | I think so too |
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| 14:30:29 | pamaury | Ok, I delete it |
| 14:31:54 | CIA-88 | New commit by pamaury (r24543): Remove a file that mcuelenaere forgot to delete (see r23763 and r23767). |
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| 14:36:33 | pixelma | Buschel: the file plays fine with the patch on my M5 (also tested the mpc_224 one), no boosting according to the "view buffering thread" screen. I didn't test things like crossfade though and don't know what to look for exactly |
| 14:37:17 | Buschel | pixelma: sounds good :o) did you run a short test_codec benchmark? |
| 14:37:43 | pamaury | bloody hell, how can the deletion of an unused file change or even augment the binsize ??? |
| 14:38:12 | pixelma | no, didn't know I should. Let's see, maybe I still have test_codec enabled in my builds |
| 14:38:41 | Buschel | pixelma: I didn't aks for it −− but of course I am interested in any changes ;o) |
| 14:38:54 | Buschel | *ask |
| 14:38:56 | AlexP | pamaury: I don't see a change? |
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| 14:39:56 | pixelma | the delta table lags slightly behind the build table |
| 14:40:01 | pamaury | The build tables shows some changes for r24543 |
| 14:40:23 | bertrik | that's "normal" although I don't know what causes it exactly |
| 14:40:25 | AlexP | 22 bytes for one tqrget I put down to random fluctuation |
| 14:40:36 | AlexP | pixelma: It is there, I'm looking at it |
| 14:40:56 | AlexP | pamaury: Notice it happens regularly |
| 14:40:59 | Will_ | a long time ago I made it so that holding down the seed button less than a second since it was previously held down, did not force skipping to the next track. I forgot what file I had to change to do this. Please? |
| 14:41:08 | AlexP | pamaury: The next commit will likely be -22 or some such |
| 14:41:08 | Will_ | seed=seek |
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| 14:41:43 | pixelma | Buschel: 621,55% realtime, 19,97 MHz with the patch and the 170 file. I need to recompile without the patch |
| 14:41:45 | pamaury | AlexP: ok, I thought it would be a little more deterministic but I guess it depends on the build client |
| 14:41:57 | AlexP | They all fluctuate a little |
| 14:44:10 | bertrik | pamaury, I've seen other little bits of duplicated code here and there |
| 14:44:33 | pixelma | as you can see quite nicely in the whols e200v2 column (mrobe500 as well) |
| 14:44:44 | pixelma | whole too |
| 14:44:45 | bertrik | some of the printf-like function declarations are duplicate and I think I've seen some duplicated codec metadata parsing code |
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| 14:45:20 | pamaury | Ok, I'll have a look at it. |
| 14:46:38 | pamaury | bertrik: do you have function names in mind or should I search myself ? |
| 14:47:34 | bertrik | snprintf and vsnprintf in stdio.h and sprintf.h |
| 14:47:38 | Buschel | pixelma: thanks, will you find time to test the unpatched build`? |
| 14:48:09 | pixelma | yes, it's almost ready with compiling |
| 14:48:15 | Buschel | :o) |
| 14:49:07 | pamaury | bertrik: yes, there are some prototype redundancy. There even are some prototypes which are not implemented in firmware/include irrc |
| 14:49:21 | pamaury | As long as there is one implementation, it's ok |
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| 14:50:26 | pixelma | JdGordon: fwiw, the warnings in skin_parser.c are also there when compiling for my radio modded M5, not the errors though |
| 14:53:19 | bertrik | pamaury, IMO, a sensible strategy would be to put the standard printf-like functions in stdio.h and the ones we made up in sprintf.h, and have no duplicate declarations |
| 14:54:27 | pamaury | I think the mess is due to some newlib files that were copied without modifications |
| 14:55:53 | pixelma | Buschel: 554.88% realtime, 22.38 MHz :D |
| 14:56:06 | pixelma | without the patch |
| 14:56:35 | Buschel | pixelma: oops, I didn't expect it to be that much faster :o) |
| 14:56:51 | pamaury | bertrik: I'm not sure we should touch it but on the other hand, it's not normal to have duplicates |
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| 14:58:13 | pamaury | Furthermore, there is not consistent use in the code. Some use stdio.h, some sprintf.h. |
| 14:58:53 | pamaury | Some both |
| 14:59:43 | Buschel | pixelma: thank you for your time! |
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| 15:02:33 | bertrik | pamaury, yes, this is one of those things that is not quite right, but works fine in practice and probably breaks if you try to clean it up :P |
| 15:02:46 | pamaury | yes :) |
| 15:03:11 | pamaury | I don't want to end up modifying 30+ files just to merge to stupid headers ;) |
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| 15:04:48 | CIA-88 | New commit by Buschel (r24544): Submit FS #10974: Speed up mpc-codec through changing the dct32-algorithm. +5% on PP5020, +12% on M5. |
| 15:04:54 | bertrik | I do a compile once in a while with slightly more strict compiler warnings to catch such stuff, like -Wmissing-prototypes to find global functions that don't have a declared prototype or -Wredundant-decls to find duplicate declarations |
| 15:05:53 | pamaury | And what was the result ? |
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| 15:08:25 | bertrik | a lot of warnings |
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| 15:09:53 | bertrik | most of the valid warnings from -Wmissing-prototype when doing "make bin" are currently fixed |
| 15:10:39 | pamaury | bertrik: doesn't gcc compiles with -Wmissing-prototype by default ? |
| 15:11:13 | bertrik | no, it's not included in -Wall |
| 15:11:29 | pamaury | really ? That's ugly |
| 15:13:44 | kugel | hm, I'm always getting warnings if I didnt put a prototype |
| 15:14:59 | pamaury | I think I also get warning if I didn't put a prototype. That's why I'm surprised |
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| 15:17:20 | pamaury | Hum, there is a difference I think. By default, gcc warn you if you use (e.g call) a function without defining it. BUT it doesn't warn you if you declare a function in a .c file without a prototype and without a static qualifier. With -Wmissing-prototypes, it does so |
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| 15:17:57 | pamaury | I tried to compile with -Wmissing-prototypes and there are too many warnings, most of them should be easy to fix |
| 15:19:22 | pamaury | Should I try to fix this or not ? |
| 15:19:53 | bertrik | most of the warnings are in the plugins, the codecs and the 'bin' target are relatively clean. I tried to fix it for the plugins once but some plugins stopped working. |
| 15:19:57 | kugel | if you're bored :) |
| 15:20:11 | pamaury | I'll do it for the core :) |
| 15:20:27 | bertrik | make sure to test before committing please |
| 15:20:32 | pamaury | What do you mean by stopped working ? Stopped compile or compile but didn't work ? |
| 15:20:44 | bertrik | they compiled, but no longer worked |
| 15:21:26 | pamaury | That's strange |
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| 15:24:12 | bertrik | pamaury, most of the functions in the core that you get a warning for are somehow special: they are interrupt routines for example, where some special trick (e.g. weak linking) was used |
| 15:25:07 | pamaury | You're right. But some no. I'm not so sure I want to touch it finally :P |
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| 15:38:57 | pamaury | There are beautiful in rockbox. How to allocate half of kilobyte of data on stack in two lines ? |
| 15:39:03 | pamaury | char namecopy[MAX_PATH]; |
| 15:39:03 | pamaury | struct fat_direntry entry; |
| 15:39:07 | pamaury | :) |
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| 16:53:18 | pixelma | the problem with translating the manual source is to seperate the actual text from the tex "commands" |
| 16:53:44 | AlexP | And then find some way to make translations doable other than just by watching svn manual commits |
| 16:53:55 | AlexP | I think the danger is that it rapidly becomes out of ddate |
| 16:54:13 | AlexP | And if it is at all "official" it needs to be as up-to-date as the English one |
| 16:54:18 | AlexP | Which already lags somewhat |
| 16:54:38 | pixelma | yeah |
| 16:54:45 | perfectdrug_ | i don't think there are enough people to do such a translation of the manual |
| 16:55:05 | akur | I agree |
| 16:55:10 | perfectdrug_ | maybe just do it for releases once in a while |
| 16:55:33 | AlexP | Trouble is, if it isn't kept up-to-date, doing it just for releases becomes a nightmare |
| 16:55:47 | akur | after being done the first |
| 16:56:00 | AlexP | As in trying to separate all the changes then trans;ate and apply them |
| 16:56:02 | akur | time, keeping it up to date isn't that hard |
| 16:56:14 | AlexP | akur: Not if you keep at it |
| 16:56:22 | AlexP | akur: But leave it any time and it becomes very hard |
| 16:56:51 | perfectdrug_ | i think it would be nice to have an interface in the wiki which leads to foreign explanations |
| 16:56:53 | akur | the problem I see |
| 16:56:58 | AlexP | It'd be nice to have translations in a theoretical sense, but they would really have to be kept up-to-date |
| 16:57:07 | pamaury | I think it requires too much work. If there are enough people to do it, why not but who will do it ? |
| 16:57:10 | AlexP | perfectdrug_: Only if up-to-date and accurate |
| 16:57:17 | AlexP | pamaury: Exactly |
| 16:57:29 | akur | is how to keep track of the changes to the english in a efficient manner |
| 16:57:29 | perfectdrug_ | and it would be hard to check |
| 16:57:35 | pixelma | I think even starting with one is quite hard. IIRC my father gave up translating the PDF version for his target after doing some passages he was most interested in |
| 16:57:36 | AlexP | yep |
| 16:57:56 | pixelma | I agree it would be nice but very very hard |
| 16:58:10 | CIA-88 | New commit by Domonoky (r24545): Allow 3 additional screenshots for themes. Displayed in the mouseover. WARNING needs 3 more rows in the themes table, named: sshot_1, sshot_2, sshot3. |
| 16:58:29 | AlexP | pixelma: yep |
| 16:58:53 | pamaury | Translations are a really pain. Perhaps I'm wrong but I don't think much people enjoy writing the english manual, so having another manual language would be a nightmare |
| 16:59:09 | akur | but then imagine this: |
| 16:59:25 | akur | a person using the portuguese version of rockbox |
| 16:59:33 | AlexP | pamaury: I don't mind, but if it were in another language I don't think I'd want to try and translate it into English |
| 16:59:53 | perfectdrug_ | some sort of reference would be nice so if someone asks what crossfade means that you could point him to a translation, so just for key things not for the whole manual |
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| 17:00:01 | akur | sees a setting but doesnt know what it does |
| 17:00:16 | AlexP | perfectdrug_: Perhaps you just want a glossary so that they can then google it in their language |
| 17:00:23 | akur | and because that setting was translated, he cant find it in the manual |
| 17:00:38 | AlexP | yeah, so maybe a glossary |
| 17:00:55 | akur | much better idea |
| 17:01:00 | pamaury | A glossary seems easier. It won't change too much |
| 17:01:11 | AlexP | yes |
| 17:01:39 | pixelma | hmm... maybe there's a way to generate menu overview (tree) in English and <insert foreign language> automatically with the help of the lang system |
| 17:01:49 | AlexP | pixelma: That'd be nice |
| 17:01:51 | pixelma | but where to put it? |
| 17:01:55 | pamaury | Furthermore, much of the work is kind of already done in the language files. It's mostly a matter of selecting the interesting words |
| 17:02:07 | perfectdrug_ | pixelma: yeah something like this would be nice |
| 17:02:14 | kugel | domonoky: my database lecturer would slap you for that :) |
| 17:02:14 | AlexP | pixelma: There is an old patch on the tracker to automatically generate the menu structure for the manual |
| 17:02:40 | domonoky | kugel: feel free todo it better :-) |
| 17:02:50 | AlexP | pixelma: I'd have the English menu overview in an appendix, the other languages on the wiki |
| 17:02:54 | pixelma | you can't add all these overviews in all the different languages into the manual |
| 17:03:16 | pixelma | s/add/put |
| 17:04:08 | pixelma | wiki could work if it was autogenerated and changed on every menu structure change |
| 17:04:20 | pixelma | somehow |
| 17:04:24 | AlexP | perhaps fixed pages then |
| 17:04:29 | perfectdrug_ | yes but i guess it is a lot of work to setup |
| 17:04:31 | AlexP | they can be generated for sure |
| 17:05:02 | AlexP | perfectdrug_: yes |
| 17:05:21 | pixelma | but a lot less than some translation of the manual |
| 17:05:25 | AlexP | yep |
| 17:07:01 | domonoky | kugel: there are additional complications, because the sqlite the themepage uses doesnt support adding rows live. So i do export-droptable-recreate table via the admin interface :-) |
| 17:08:12 | perfectdrug_ | I don't think translating the whole manual is worth it, but on the other hand if the person can navigate to rockbox.org, is there a need for a translation at all? |
| 17:09:03 | perfectdrug_ | this needs some base in the native language at least to point there |
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| 17:09:13 | pixelma | maybe someone could stick the menu overview idea into the feature ideas forum |
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| 17:09:32 | AlexP | Surely if they have installed Rockbox then they have already made it to rockbox.org? |
| 17:09:52 | pixelma | well... "feature" is a bit inaccurate but |
| 17:10:29 | perfectdrug_ | it is not hard to install rockbox as the utility is also translated but it is easy to get lost afterwards |
| 17:10:54 | AlexP | For sure, but hyou just suggested that they needed pointing at the website |
| 17:11:06 | AlexP | Surely the problem isn't finding the website, but after that |
| 17:11:24 | pixelma | ah... maybe the Utility could show this overview somewhere |
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| 17:12:29 | perfectdrug_ | no I mean if the translation of keysections is on the rockbox.org site, you have to navigate there, unless someone points you in the right direction |
| 17:12:57 | AlexP | well yeah, maybe rbutil could |
| 17:13:03 | perfectdrug_ | at this time in the german rockbox forum we point people to the englisch sites and help them if questions arrise |
| 17:13:26 | perfectdrug_ | s/englisch/english |
| 17:15:39 | perfectdrug_ | but most of the time a simple RTM would be enough, but yeah you know, not when they don't understand it |
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| 17:16:49 | pixelma | we could autogenerate files and RbUtil would just look at them on the download servers -> always up-to-date. Another feature would be creating links to the respective manual part from this tree. Unfortunately I don't think I could code that |
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| 17:17:24 | pixelma | as in "I'm quite sure I couldn't in the near future" ;) |
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| 17:19:09 | perfectdrug_ | i don't understand how RbUtil could help |
| 17:19:39 | webguest26 | Hi, im trying to write a plugin. does rockbox support scanf() |
| 17:20:06 | pixelma | perfectdrug_: it could show you the menu structure in your language |
| 17:20:43 | perfectdrug_ | ah ok |
| 17:21:12 | pixelma | and possibly link to the correct part in the manual (which would be still English) but I'd imagine it could already be a help |
| 17:22:02 | perfectdrug_ | yes that sounds nice |
| 17:22:20 | perfectdrug_ | this would link the translation to the source |
| 17:22:48 | perfectdrug_ | which is a missing link right now IMO |
| 17:23:16 | kugel | domonoky: the mouseover seems buggy |
| 17:24:45 | domonoky | kugel: how does this "buggy" show ? and which browser do you use ? |
| 17:24:57 | kugel | webguest26: how would that work? there's a virtual keyboard input method |
| 17:25:26 | webguest26 | so can I use scanf and will the keyboard come up |
| 17:26:01 | kugel | domonoky: ff 3.6 (daily builds actually). the mouseover goes like pic-no pic-pic-no pic-... |
| 17:26:35 | kugel | webguest26: there's no scanf(). it's a bad function anyway |
| 17:27:24 | domonoky | webguest26: use rb-> kbd_input(char buffer*, int len) |
| 17:27:39 | webguest26 | ok thanks |
| 17:28:38 | domonoky | kugel: with "pic-no" you mean no image is shown ? |
| 17:28:48 | kugel | yea |
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| 17:29:15 | kugel | read it like "no pic" :) |
| 17:29:38 | domonoky | ah :-) |
| 17:30:02 | domonoky | can you point me to such a theme ? it seems to work for me.. |
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| 17:30:31 | kugel | the first 3 under e200 |
| 17:30:43 | kugel | all actually |
| 17:31:49 | domonoky | seems to work fine for me with ff 3.5.7 on windows. |
| 17:32:07 | kugel | opera works too |
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| 17:34:37 | domonoky | maybe you could use firebug to find out where it goes wrong ? (the relevant code is in rbscript.js) |
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| 17:38:56 | pixelma | works correctly in FF 3.5.5 but I find the time for each "slide" a bit short |
| 17:40:25 | kugel | I'm currently unable to install extensions |
| 17:40:25 | perfectdrug_ | for me the slide only works after the whole page stops loading, which is normal i guess, but the time for the slide is shorter for me for the first hover and normal for the second |
| 17:41:26 | pixelma | looks like it's changing each two seconds |
| 17:41:51 | pixelma | I'd probably prefer 5 or 6 |
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| 17:42:46 | kugel | 1.5s, I think it's a good value |
| 17:43:11 | AlexP | I'd go for 3 :) |
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| 17:47:00 | domonoky | its 1.5 seconds. the first time a image is shown it maybe delayed a bit, because the browser has to load the image. |
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| 17:51:35 | pixelma | too quick for me to get an impression... at least it seems to stay at the last loaded "slide" if you move your mouse away |
| 17:52:41 | domonoky | pixelma: it should go back to the wps display if you move you mouse away from the image. |
| 17:53:38 | pixelma | so it does |
| 17:54:50 | domonoky | i could increase the time a bit. but dont want to set it too high, themes can now have up to 5 images. |
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| 18:12:53 | addikt1ve | hi guys |
| 18:13:05 | addikt1ve | got a kind of problem on my ipod nano 2g |
| 18:13:29 | addikt1ve | when booting, rockbox bootloader tells me that it can't boot rockbox.ipod "Bad checksum" |
| 18:13:37 | addikt1ve | though files aren't corrupted |
| 18:13:56 | addikt1ve | i'm using the rockbox Current Build |
| 18:14:14 | addikt1ve | maybe the bootloader won't accept this build's checksum? |
| 18:14:25 | domonoky | addikt1ve: are you sure you installed the correct build ? (check rockbox-info.txt) |
| 18:15:17 | addikt1ve | Target: ipod1g2g |
| 18:15:19 | addikt1ve | :) |
| 18:15:32 | addikt1ve | oh wait |
| 18:15:35 | addikt1ve | ... |
| 18:15:37 | addikt1ve | XD |
| 18:15:42 | kugel | ;) |
| 18:16:20 | addikt1ve | thanks dude |
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| 18:16:27 | addikt1ve | let's download the right build |
| 18:16:43 | kugel | the error message could be improved |
| 18:17:06 | addikt1ve | yep |
| 18:17:23 | AlexP | If it knew the checksums of the other builds it could tell you it was wrong |
| 18:17:33 | AlexP | But that seems an unnecessary complication |
| 18:17:56 | AlexP | Other than that, how does it tell between a corrupted file and a wrong build? |
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| 18:18:07 | CIA-88 | New commit by Domonoky (r24546): correct a log entry and increase the mouseover timeout a bit. |
| 18:18:25 | robin0800 | AlexP: rockbox info? |
| 18:18:50 | AlexP | It could read that I suppose |
| 18:19:02 | AlexP | It just seems all complication for the bootloader |
| 18:19:25 | AlexP | All I'm saying is that I don't see how the error message could be improved without adding stuff to the bootloader |
| 18:19:34 | kugel | hm, going by the code it should read "Read failed (model)" |
| 18:20:33 | robin0800 | AlexP: it could show you the info if there was an error at least you would now if it was the right build |
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| 18:21:45 | AlexP | You only need an error message to tell you if it is wrong |
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| 18:22:35 | domonoky | theoretically it should be possible to compare the target-ids (i think it should be in the header of the binary). |
| 18:24:58 | kugel | there's a 4 byte model string tacked to the binary |
| 18:26:03 | AlexP | Ah, cool |
| 18:30:22 | kugel | hrm |
| 18:30:31 | kugel | it doesn't compare that string to anything though |
| 18:30:55 | addikt1ve | wow |
| 18:31:00 | addikt1ve | rockbox looks amazingly awesome |
| 18:31:07 | addikt1ve | i havent been using it for a long time now |
| 18:31:12 | addikt1ve | looks deeply changed |
| 18:31:18 | kugel | instead, booting fails because the model number built into the bootloader makes the checksum check fail |
| 18:31:21 | addikt1ve | gonna play with my "brand new iPod" now :) |
| 18:31:23 | addikt1ve | thanks guys! |
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| 18:50:26 | CIA-88 | New commit by Buschel (r24547): Remove tabs |
| 18:51:52 | JdGordon | pixelma: nuts, thanks. the error wasnt simple enough to fix? |
| 18:52:29 | pixelma | not to me no. If you want, I could paste it somewhere |
| 18:53:35 | JdGordon | ok, I'll fix it quickly for you |
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| 18:58:03 | JdGordon | pixelma: ok, task updated |
| 18:59:06 | AlexP | JdGordon: From what I remember that patch looks good to me on what I tested it on :) |
| 18:59:23 | * | AlexP is very much looking forward to fms |
| 18:59:30 | JdGordon | :) |
| 19:00 |
| 19:00:04 | JdGordon | I'm a bit wary of commiting it just yet though because it will increase the skin buffer usage again which is pretty wasteful |
| 19:00:15 | JdGordon | I want to work out how to make it customisable first |
| 19:00:22 | AlexP | I can wait a little longer until you are happy :) |
| 19:02:13 | kugel | IMO it shouldn't be configurable but resize to what's needed instead |
| 19:02:36 | JdGordon | which cant really be done, so just forget about iot |
| 19:02:38 | JdGordon | it |
| 19:02:51 | kugel | it can, with a reboot |
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| 19:03:15 | addikt1ve | hey |
| 19:03:17 | addikt1ve | first problem using rockbox :) |
| 19:03:30 | addikt1ve | on my ipod nano 2g, when i plug the usb cable, rockbox goes to multimedia mode |
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| 19:04:00 | saratoga | what are you expecting? |
| 19:04:12 | bluebroth3r | a nice splash sound? |
| 19:04:16 | rasher | That string really really really needs to be changed |
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| 19:04:28 | addikt1ve | but i cant see my ipod in my file manager |
| 19:04:29 | * | bluebroth3r agrees with rasher |
| 19:04:30 | addikt1ve | so i cant mount it |
| 19:04:52 | pixelma | turn off USB HID in the settings |
| 19:06:05 | pixelma | I believe there was a problem with it on the 2nd gen Nanos anyways (data corruption when transferring files at the same time or so) |
| 19:07:11 | pixelma | JdGordon: still warnings left in skin_parser.c and radio.c too but no errors |
| 19:07:33 | addikt1ve | oh, ok pixelma |
| 19:07:40 | addikt1ve | how can i go out from multimedia mode? |
| 19:07:47 | AlexP | addikt1ve: Both HID (i.e. multimedia and the other modes) + mass storage should work at the same time, but the nano 2G currently has an issue with HID |
| 19:07:49 | addikt1ve | have i gotta hard reboot? |
| 19:07:52 | JdGordon | pixelma: yeah, good. warnings are fine to ignore |
| 19:08:09 | AlexP | addikt1ve: No - unplug USB, turn HID off, replug USB |
| 19:08:20 | addikt1ve | when i unplug usb it keeps showing me multimedia mode :/ |
| 19:08:26 | addikt1ve | oh |
| 19:08:28 | addikt1ve | no |
| 19:08:30 | addikt1ve | it doesnt |
| 19:08:32 | addikt1ve | well, it did |
| 19:08:34 | addikt1ve | :p |
| 19:08:48 | AlexP | just a bit of lag probably :) |
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| 19:08:58 | AlexP | nano 2g is currently unstable for a reason :) |
| 19:08:58 | addikt1ve | no i mean |
| 19:09:00 | addikt1ve | last time i tried |
| 19:09:03 | addikt1ve | it did |
| 19:09:06 | saratoga | if it causes a problem why isn't it disabled on the 2G? |
| 19:09:07 | addikt1ve | AlexP: hehe |
| 19:09:41 | AlexP | saratoga: I don't know the details - if it is all, intermittant, whatever. I've just seen a few issues with it + the 2G |
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| 19:09:48 | addikt1ve | oh yeah mass storage is working now :) |
| 19:09:52 | addikt1ve | what does HID do? |
| 19:10:05 | AlexP | addikt1ve: Controls various functions of your PC from your DAP |
| 19:10:11 | addikt1ve | oh |
| 19:10:13 | addikt1ve | i dont care |
| 19:10:15 | addikt1ve | that's good |
| 19:10:17 | addikt1ve | :) |
| 19:10:18 | AlexP | addikt1ve: e.g. multimedia controls volume, skips tracks etc |
| 19:10:27 | AlexP | presentation advances slides etc |
| 19:10:33 | AlexP | I think it should be in the manual |
| 19:10:45 | addikt1ve | yeah but i didnt actually read it ;) |
| 19:10:48 | addikt1ve | beat me |
| 19:10:54 | addikt1ve | :] |
| 19:11:12 | addikt1ve | can i delete all apple firmware-related files? |
| 19:11:23 | addikt1ve | such as iPod_Control |
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| 19:11:37 | addikt1ve | (i mean, will it be recreated on next Apple-firmware boot?) |
| 19:11:46 | rasher | I'm pretty sure it will |
| 19:11:50 | addikt1ve | good |
| 19:11:58 | AlexP | addikt1ve: yes |
| 19:12:08 | addikt1ve | perfect then :) |
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| 19:12:34 | JdGordon | kugel: rebooting isnt exactly nice, and is a PITA to setup (feel free to implement it though :D ) |
| 19:13:03 | JdGordon | and what should it do it there isnt enogh room untill reboot? load the previous theme back? use the erros skins? |
| 19:13:29 | CIA-88 | New commit by mc2739 (r24548): Corrections in Czech language ... |
| 19:13:49 | addikt1ve | ^^ |
| 19:13:53 | kugel | previous skins sounds good |
| 19:14:54 | JdGordon | *changing topics* How do people feel about using the audio/skin buffer for multifont? it's not a perfect solution in that each font would be managed seperatly, but it would waste 0 ram for those that dont want it |
| 19:15:25 | JdGordon | kugel: that means storing a dozen setting values just in case |
| 19:16:49 | AlexP | JdGordon: Could this be part of the skin buffer stuff? i.e. have a seconf font buffer that is either enabled or not along with changing the skin buffer e.g. on reboot |
| 19:17:23 | JdGordon | yes, thats what I'd like |
| 19:17:35 | JdGordon | but not just 1 extra font buffer. N exptra buffers |
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| 19:17:42 | AlexP | yeah |
| 19:17:46 | JdGordon | one for each font loaded (which is up to the user) |
| 19:18:01 | JdGordon | seen as it really is only the skins which would make use of extra fonts |
| 19:18:16 | AlexP | they could be the correct size too - i.e. no need to reserve unifont size for a font that doesn't need it |
| 19:19:20 | JdGordon | well, the whole font isnt loaded anyway |
| 19:19:51 | AlexP | Ah OK |
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| 19:20:13 | kugel | unfortunately the bidirectional skin buffer complicates the dynamic buffer a bit |
| 19:20:16 | saratoga | doesn't SVN compress files as it transfers them? |
| 19:20:37 | JdGordon | kugel: no, using pointers instead of offsets does |
| 19:21:13 | JdGordon | and besides we shouldnt even worry about trying to compress. just resize at boot |
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| 19:37:17 | CIA-88 | New commit by funman (r24549): Sansa AMS: do not init memory for AS3525v2 ... |
| 19:38:55 | CIA-88 | New commit by Buschel (r24550): Remove more tabs |
| 19:39:43 | CIA-88 | New commit by mc2739 (r24551): Slovak language update ... |
| 19:41:58 | addikt1ve | wow... |
| 19:42:02 | addikt1ve | copying files is so slow |
| 19:42:22 | addikt1ve | i really understand why rockbox for nano 2g is "unstable" :) |
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| 19:46:26 | AlexP | addikt1ve: Use the OF to transfer files |
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| 19:53:12 | * | JdGordon is slightly annoyed that the font stuff is on the firmware side of things :( |
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| 19:55:52 | kugel | wtf! |
| 19:56:01 | kugel | that looks corrupted |
| 19:56:26 | * | JdGordon wants context |
| 19:56:51 | addikt1ve | AlexP: OF? |
| 19:57:10 | JdGordon | tomers: hey, join #rockbox-community |
| 19:57:14 | Unhelpful | saratoga: iirc the client *can* support compression if the server does. |
| 19:58:07 | bluebroth3r | yay! Found that stupid bug :) |
| 19:58:24 | kugel | http://imagebin.org/83763 |
| 19:59:14 | JdGordon | nie |
| 19:59:15 | addikt1ve | what's OF? |
| 19:59:17 | AlexP | addikt1ve: Original firmware |
| 19:59:20 | addikt1ve | oh |
| 19:59:26 | JdGordon | nice even, kugel, howd you do that? |
| 19:59:37 | kugel | added album art to the sbs |
| 19:59:41 | addikt1ve | i installed rockbox in order to prevent using OF |
| 19:59:48 | addikt1ve | so i'll be ok with transfer times :) |
| 19:59:50 | addikt1ve | brb |
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| 20:00:12 | JdGordon | so just to be sure. That's *not* what you were going for? :D |
| 20:00:41 | AlexP | JdGordon: That is sort of what I got when I had a ui viewport specified in the theme.cfg |
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| 20:01:24 | JdGordon | yeah, OK, the backdrop hadnling has a bug or two :( |
| 20:01:29 | kugel | parsing failed (%V lacked a parameter), and this was the result |
| 20:02:48 | JdGordon | ok |
| 20:02:52 | JdGordon | simple fix |
| 20:03:05 | tomers | JdGordon: joined :-) |
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| 20:05:56 | JdGordon | kugel: the parse error was in the sbs? |
| 20:06:06 | kugel | yea |
| 20:07:03 | JdGordon | thats odd. it should have set the backdrop pointer to NULL in that case |
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| 20:10:00 | CIA-88 | New commit by funman (r24552): Sansa AMS AS3525v2 SD: remove a case which is never run ... |
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| 20:13:38 | akur | JdGordon: I have been experiencing that same bug simply by changing themes between one with sbs and one without, and then setting the sbs to rockbox_none.. |
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| 20:14:36 | JdGordon | grr |
| 20:14:55 | saratoga | funman: is that last commit correct? |
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| 20:16:22 | CIA-88 | New commit by tomers (r24553): Cowon D2: Use buttons for Brickmania instead of touchscreen, which hides the paddle |
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| 20:17:32 | Strife89DS | Why not have both the button and the touchscreen? |
| 20:17:38 | funman | saratoga: yes it's correct, i checked the OF didn't run this case |
| 20:17:47 | Strife89DS | s/button/buttons |
| 20:17:51 | funman | the if(0) was just there to remind there were 2 possible paths |
| 20:18:02 | saratoga | but you removed the wrong one I think? |
| 20:18:06 | funman | no |
| 20:18:33 | Strife89DS | I find that I prefer to have both on hand when I play, say, The Prison on my Palm. |
| 20:18:39 | funman | i replaced the removed case with NOPs and OF still booted |
| 20:18:56 | saratoga | so you meant to switch which case was run? |
| 20:19:39 | funman | yes, the if(0) could well have been a if(1), but I didn't know which one of the 2 cases was run |
| 20:20:41 | saratoga | ah ok |
| 20:20:42 | funman | it would be easier if we could put an hand on the Linux port for AS35* |
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| 20:21:43 | saratoga | has anyone asked AMS for it? |
| 20:22:19 | funman | i asked one guy about the synopsys mobile host driver but he told me that it was synopsys IP |
| 20:22:32 | funman | ullrich something |
| 20:22:47 | funman | the person listed as maintainer for "AS353X" linux machine type |
| 20:23:16 | saratoga | i wonder where those chinese students got it from |
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| 20:23:48 | funman | I don't think they're students, it's in the "work & job" forum, so I suppose they basically got it straight from AMS |
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| 20:23:58 | funman | Can't find anything that looks like an email though |
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| 20:24:25 | saratoga | one of them mentioned school in the google translate version |
| 20:24:57 | saratoga | theres actually a PM function on that page, but since i don't speak chinese i don't think it will help |
| 20:25:02 | saratoga | i could get a friend to try it for me |
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| 20:27:11 | funman | there is the comment box |
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| 20:27:42 | * | TheSeven wonders if removing diskmode is a no-go ;-) |
| 20:28:13 | pixelma | Strife89DS, tomers: both should actually be doable quite easily. On the c200 you can also use the Volume and the Left/Right keys |
| 20:28:24 | pixelma | or Strife89 |
| 20:30:20 | liar | TheSeven: once rockbox-usb works on my nano it would be ok for me :-) |
| 20:30:28 | saratoga | reallly cheap 8GB clipv2s on woot today |
| 20:30:35 | saratoga | if anyone wants in on that port |
| 20:30:50 | TheSeven | liar: that bugger just won't boot... |
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| 20:33:24 | tomers | Strife89DS: some plugins use both touchpad and buttons. it is mostly unneeded, though |
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| 20:41:52 | pixelma | JdGordon: I get a crash when RoLo'ing the new build but it's very weird as the previous build which is still flashed doesn't want to play music, it was working before. Of course I already copied the new build but it shouldn't matter as the hwcodec playback engine doesn't rely on some other files on the disk |
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| 20:43:23 | JdGordon | pixelma: what was the previous build? |
| 20:43:46 | JdGordon | revision I mean |
| 20:44:15 | pixelma | the crash is also weird because I don't get the clean error screen - I get a screen that still shows the "ROLO... Loading" and the error screen to the right so the numbers are cut off. I can still see "I09: CP.." "at FFE..." |
| 20:44:34 | pixelma | r 24319 |
| 20:45:40 | * | pixelma will compile a 3.5 build |
| 20:45:40 | JdGordon | can you see if 24370 boots? |
| 20:46:01 | JdGordon | 3.5 *should* work. the big changes happend in trunk |
| 20:46:13 | pixelma | ok, I'll try that then |
| 20:46:15 | JdGordon | the previous build is way before the bakdrop stuff changed |
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| 20:52:00 | tomers | Is there any point to have separate keymap files in manual for different ipod generations? |
| 20:52:13 | tomers | diff platform/keymap-ipod1g2g.tex platform/keymap-ipod3g.tex −−> no changes |
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| 20:53:18 | tomers | platform/keymap-ipod4g.tex −−> adds only ActionStdUsbCharge, Record and FM radio keymaps... If we would have one single ipod keymaps file, it wouldn't change anything |
| 20:53:49 | pixelma | the 3G's button layout (on target) is very different though and there could be differences (and we differentiate between those pads in the main code too) |
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| 20:55:13 | pixelma | the situation used to be worse... without separate keymap files |
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| 21:00:02 | kugel | meh,, that backdrop bug destroys my dump for the theme site |
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| 21:07:57 | kugel | domonoky: *not* updating doesn't actually work, does it? |
| 21:08:13 | kugel | when uploading a theme which already exists |
| 21:09:08 | domonoky | kugel: what should happen if you upload a theme which already exists and you dont want to update that ? |
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| 21:09:51 | kugel | well, the same thing that happens when uploading a new theme |
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| 21:10:12 | domonoky | but then you would have two visible themes with the same name.. |
| 21:10:25 | kugel | the checkbox suggests I can choose to not update |
| 21:11:25 | * | kugel could update, but it wouldn't bring the theme at the top in the default view :) |
| 21:11:35 | kugel | or would it? |
| 21:11:51 | domonoky | hm, feel free to change the upload page. I intended it more like, that you explicitly have to check "update" to not accidently overwrite a theme. |
| 21:12:18 | domonoky | it should get to the top. because internally a updated theme is treated like a new theme. |
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| 21:13:24 | domonoky | "update" is just the additional handling to hide the old one, when you perform emailvalidation. and ofcoure allowing dublicate names if you check the update checkbox. |
| 21:14:10 | pixelma | JdGordon: r24370 works (and I flashed it now), maybe I can try an unpatched SVN build now |
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| 21:14:25 | kugel | indeed |
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| 21:17:20 | kugel | domonoky: hrm could the download count and rating be taken over? |
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| 21:18:34 | domonoky | kugel: they could, if someone codes it :-) and there have been objections against taking over ratings (theme could change radically on update) |
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| 21:19:29 | kugel | maybe only download count then |
| 21:19:37 | CIA-88 | New commit by tomers (r24554): Brickmania: Use touchpad actions even if buttons are assigned to them (Cowon D2) ... |
| 21:20:11 | tomers | Strife89DS, pixelma: I've just committed support for touchpad in brickmania even if buttons are assigned. Thanks! |
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| 21:24:06 | domonoky | kugel: i think takeing over the download count would be fine. if you want to hack at that, look at private/themesite.class.php - verifyemail() |
| 21:24:24 | kugel | err, I can't do php |
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| 21:25:24 | domonoky | then learn it. i also didnt know any php or jscript before i hacked at the theme page, because noone else did :-) |
| 21:25:45 | domonoky | if you can code C/C++ it isnt too hard. |
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| 21:26:31 | kugel | domonoky: the func name is a bit missleading, I wouldn't have found it |
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| 21:28:21 | domonoky | kugel: true, that because the update function is a little bit a hack. :-) |
| 21:28:34 | kugel | :) |
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| 21:29:44 | Strife89 | tomers: :) |
| 21:30:25 | Strife89 | tomers: I don't actually own a Rockboxable touchscreen device, but I know from experience that having both at once is quite handy. :) |
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| 22:06:42 | perfectdrug_ | domonoky. according to the forum reply, maybe it would really be better if the click on the themepicture at the overview page would always lead to the details page |
| 22:07:44 | domonoky | and have no download link in the theme list ? |
| 22:08:20 | JdGordon | pixelma: any updates? |
| 22:10:22 | perfectdrug_ | domonoky: yes as a result, I also think the details page is hard to find |
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| 22:11:26 | perfectdrug_ | and then make the details page more detail, e.g show the mentioned 5 screenshots directly beside each other |
| 22:11:28 | kugel | I think the current situation is good. there should just be an indicator that clicking on the title leads to another page |
| 22:11:43 | kugel | that's a good idea |
| 22:12:36 | perfectdrug_ | just an idea, as I'm not capable of doing it myself... |
| 22:14:25 | domonoky | changeing the link is easy, if that is wanted. |
| 22:17:29 | bluebroth3r | domonoky: I finally have OS X TTS running without external libs. The encoding issue persists on a 10.4 build :( |
| 22:18:52 | domonoky | that means we have to drop 10.4 support if we want osx-tts ? |
| 22:19:02 | perfectdrug_ | i don't know how important the details page is though |
| 22:19:52 | bluebroth3r | domonoky: no, we can have that (after a bunch of hours wrapping my head around wav and aiff −− they aren't _that_ complex, but one can always add supid bugs ;-) |
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| 22:20:36 | perfectdrug_ | or maybe just an additional link at the right next to "works with 3.5" saying details, but there are no real details though |
| 22:20:39 | bluebroth3r | the problem is that the translation of the input strings to the format required by SpeakText() doesn't seem to work. And that regardless of the OS X SDK version used |
| 22:21:26 | bluebroth3r | maybe I should create a small test program and try if it's an issue with Qt. At least it looks like this right now. |
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| 22:40:34 | CIA-88 | New commit by Domonoky (r24555): Make the imagelinks on the themelist point to the details page. Add a downloadlink to the list. |
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| 22:44:10 | perfectdrug_ | domonoky: very nice |
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| 23:02:47 | kugel | domonoky: :( |
| 23:03:45 | CIA-88 | New commit by Domonoky (r24556): let the image cycle always start with menu. |
| 23:05:05 | domonoky | kugel: you can still download themes from the overview pages... if you want it different, get your hands dirty :-) |
| 23:05:25 | kugel | I like how it was |
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| 23:10:34 | mamoul | hey buddies |
| 23:10:48 | mamoul | I have a sansa e250, but I can't sort out all this v1 v2 R business |
| 23:12:03 | stripwax | mamoul - as in, you don't know what version you have? |
| 23:12:07 | stripwax | http://www.rockbox.org/wiki/SansaE200Port |
| 23:12:07 | domonoky | mamoul: tell us the version of you original firmware. |
| 23:13:32 | mamoul | ok wait |
| 23:15:06 | bertrik | I did another battery bench on my sansa clip v1, but now forcing the voltage regulator into "direct length regulation only", I'm getting a much short runtime now, much closer to the runtimes reported by jobec and funman |
| 23:15:31 | bertrik | i.e. 5h48 runtime instead of 8h14 |
| 23:15:45 | mamoul | ok version 01.02.18A |
| 23:15:46 | mamoul | so it is v1 |
| 23:16:02 | stripwax | yes |
| 23:16:06 | mamoul | I noticed that rockbox is now doing file transfer over usb |
| 23:16:13 | mamoul | instead of just rebooting |
| 23:17:03 | mamoul | hmm |
| 23:17:03 | mamoul | oh no |
| 23:17:05 | mamoul | it crashed |
| 23:17:44 | stripwax | mamoul - any more details would be useful (if you would like us to be able to help you out) |
| 23:18:14 | mamoul | it just said panic stack underflow |
| 23:18:21 | mamoul | should I trust rockbox while doing file transfers? |
| 23:18:46 | mamoul | that was when it was plugged into the pc and I unplugged it |
| 23:18:57 | mamoul | holy crap |
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| 23:19:06 | mamoul | my mp3 is controlling my audio settings in gnome |
| 23:22:27 | mamoul | if I can transfer files with rockbox I don't really need the original firmware |
| 23:22:40 | mamoul | but when the bootloader boots and the usb is connected, it will default to the original firmware |
| 23:22:49 | mamoul | should I update my bootloader or leave it? |
| 23:25:07 | kugel | update |
| 23:27:17 | mamoul | I can't figure out how |
| 23:30:08 | kugel | rockbox utility |
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| 23:31:49 | mamoul | I'm doing the manual version with sansa patcher |
| 23:31:56 | mamoul | but it still says that the bootloader is v4 |
| 23:32:08 | pixelma | JdGordon: yes, I get the inbuilt statusbar drawn over my WPS (which disables it) on my M5 now with r24542 and the radio screen patch. Haven't tried or even prepared an fms yet there though |
| 23:33:16 | mamoul | hm the patcher appears not to have done anything |
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| 23:38:25 | mamoul | ah I guess I had to unmount the fs before patching |
| 23:39:21 | mamoul | sweet |
| 23:39:24 | mamoul | now my system is pure rockbox |
| 23:39:34 | mamoul | no need for crappy oem firmware to transfer files |
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| 23:41:34 | _av500_ | B4gder: signing off, cu |
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| 23:48:09 | pixelma | JdGordon: I don't use an sbs there if it matters and I start the tests with SVN now |
| 23:49:03 | B4gder | btw, I spoke to a guy from ffmpeg (I forgot to ask his name) and he expressed a desire to get us working together to sync up changes done in rockbox with them and vice versa |
| 23:49:37 | WingNut_ | any quick way to access the bootloader to choose to boot into the regular ipod os or rb? |
| 23:49:39 | B4gder | I said it is a good idea and that I too would like to see that getting worked on |
| 23:50:13 | JdGordon | pixelma: did that rev I asked you to try boot? |
| 23:50:13 | B4gder | (I'll post about this to the dev list later on too to make sure everyone who cares will catch it) |
| 23:50:36 | pixelma | JdGordon: I already answered that |
| 23:52:52 | pixelma | it does |
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| 23:57:02 | gevaerts | WingNut_: you mean outside of the normal dual boot key combination? |
| 23:57:19 | * | gevaerts can't remember right now what that was on ipod |
| 23:57:37 | WingNut_ | maybe thats what I'm looking for gevaerts, I looked on the manual but didn't see it listed |
| 23:58:09 | gevaerts | the rockbox bootloader doesn't have a menu if that's what you were looking for |
| 23:58:15 | stripwax | gevaerts - on ipod it's the hold switch, to boot into original apple os .. |
| 23:58:27 | JdGordon | pixelma: ok, that patch shouldnt affect the WPS at all so I dont know why you are seeing the inbuilt bar. I'm interested to hear what svn does |
| 23:58:33 | * | JdGordon goes to have a few beers |
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