00:00:26 | flyback | hmm nothing about power on so far |
00:00:31 | flyback | mabye my unit is just canucked |
00:00:32 | flyback | :/ |
00:01:02 | gevaerts | amiconn: I updated the wiki |
00:01:25 | Unhelpful | pamaury: seems worthwhile to me in the long run, but yeah, it'll be work, and i know nothing about designing such things :/ |
00:01:45 | flyback | you guys ever probe your devices for serial consoles |
00:01:51 | flyback | might help debugging easier |
00:02:15 | flyback | if some of the soc's have a ttl level uart and the mp3 player exposed the pads on the pcb for factory testing |
00:02:36 | flyback | all you need is a ttl level converter to rs232 or ttl to usb console cable such as ftdi or pl2303 |
00:02:38 | Unhelpful | flyback: we have debug output over usb serial ;) |
00:02:44 | *** | Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" |
00:02:44 | flyback | nice |
00:03:10 | flyback | seems really well done |
00:03:13 | flyback | congrats |
00:03:20 | flyback | rockbox overall :) |
00:03:34 | pamaury | Unhelpful: it's true but it needs to be discussed before starting it :) |
00:03:37 | flyback | I am glad I bought this used unit and tracked down a new hd for it and took it apart, cleaned all the parts and reassembled it |
00:03:41 | flyback | it was worth the effort |
00:04:01 | Unhelpful | i seem to recall talking to somebody last week or so about the possibility of running a debugger over a custom usb protocol, i think it was TheSeven? |
00:04:46 | stripwax | Unhelpful - sounds like something he's looking at doing for the nano2g |
00:05:13 | Unhelpful | stripwax: it would be doable for many other soft-usb targets too, though... |
00:05:14 | stripwax | Actually doesn't the archos port have a serial debug console (or am I on crack) |
00:05:35 | Unhelpful | i'd love to be able to step and trace my e200 or beast in gdb :P |
00:05:41 | stripwax | Unhelpful - yeah - although probably not regular builds, more dev/debug builds.. |
00:05:44 | domonoky | the old archos ons have serial-gdb stub yes. |
00:05:48 | stripwax | Yeah. |
00:06:01 | stripwax | I meant the gdb stub not console obviously! |
00:06:28 | amiconn | gevaerts: thanks |
00:06:52 | amiconn | The fused asm is a little bit more difficult than I thought. |
00:06:54 | TheSeven | Unhelpful: Yes, I have a trivial implementation of such a thing running on nano2g |
00:07:38 | TheSeven | the stub could in theory already do fancy stuff like singlestepping/breakpoints, it's just that one would need to write a pc-side client that sends it the right commands :-) |
00:08:48 | amiconn | The swar macros for arm <=v5 are somewhat nasty. Needing extra registers and such |
00:09:20 | TheSeven | actually i wrote that *before* porting rockbox, in order to be able to run testing code and debug things in a nice fashion |
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00:10:32 | TheSeven | and another nice thing it supports is the debug console, where the application running inside can just send debug messages via SWIs, that will end up on a console on your PC, and that's fast! |
00:10:52 | TheSeven | i would guess that the console manages to do a throughput of about 100KB/s |
00:11:03 | TheSeven | you won't get that using a serial port :-P |
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00:14:48 | saratoga | stripwax: did you see the problem with coldfire? |
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00:15:31 | stripwax | nope |
00:17:37 | saratoga | stripwax: you don't have the inlined complex mul defined on CF |
00:17:40 | saratoga | just the original one |
00:18:05 | saratoga | i wasn't sure why theres two versions of it |
00:18:44 | stripwax | erm, not sure what you mean (inlined complex mul vs 'the original one'). you mean XPROD31_R ? |
00:18:50 | saratoga | yes |
00:19:05 | saratoga | its not defined for coldfire |
00:19:35 | saratoga | i used the c version when benchmarking and got that the new mdct is 1.5mhz slower, so with the asm version its probably pretty comparable |
00:22:12 | saratoga | i suppose we should try and get some benchmarks for other targets as well to see if the new lib is faster for non-PP too |
00:22:25 | stripwax | fair enough. it's exactly the same as XPROD31 it just stores the result in a local variable rather than in a memory location |
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00:22:54 | stripwax | saratoga - btw when were you benchmarking (did you see the new changes I just put in?) |
00:22:56 | saratoga | i tried changing it to work on CF, however I wasn't able to get gcc to take it |
00:23:05 | saratoga | stripwax: yesterday |
00:23:09 | stripwax | ok |
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00:23:31 | saratoga | i got someone on IRC to do it since i don't have CF |
00:24:02 | stripwax | i.e. XPROD31_R a bit like XPROD32 really. (Probably XPROD31 and XNPROD31 should also be rewritten as macros like XPROD32 is, and then there'd only be one version rather than my crazy/weird _R stuff) |
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00:24:51 | saratoga | does the new transform still need more IRAM then the old? |
00:25:28 | stripwax | Well, it depends what you mean by 'need'. It doesn't currently *use* more IRAM than the old. |
00:25:52 | stripwax | i.e. the remaining two tables (revtab in fft and then final fsin/fcos in mdct) are not in iram |
00:26:37 | saratoga | ah ok |
00:26:44 | saratoga | impressive that we get such good performance then |
00:26:45 | * | TheSeven just spotted a bug! |
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00:26:56 | TheSeven | (in apple's norboot!) |
00:27:04 | gevaerts | TheSeven: report it! |
00:27:04 | stripwax | The mdct final (post)twiddle is the thing that could be unified with the FFT trig if you make a few approximations (take a look at the last step of the tremor mdct in mdct2.c i.e. interpolating between trig values, for large block sizes, rather than having trig that covers everything) |
00:27:09 | stripwax | hahahaha |
00:27:17 | stripwax | is it exploitable? :-p |
00:27:26 | TheSeven | nope |
00:27:44 | TheSeven | their LCD code might fail if some certain kind of garbage was on the stack before |
00:27:53 | saratoga | stripwax: which block sizes would need interpolation? |
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00:27:56 | TheSeven | they're using an uninitialized local variable |
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00:28:44 | stripwax | saratoga - I make it that having the posttwiddle factors not in iram costs somewhere between 0.5 and 1MHz (but that was kinda rough+ready measurements) |
00:28:57 | stripwax | saratoga - 4096 and 8192 |
00:29:02 | stripwax | hence not really a problem |
00:29:21 | stripwax | I.e. Tremor is (unsurprisingly) well optimised for 2048 and smaller blocksizes |
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00:30:07 | stripwax | But a bit weird that Tremor would use interpolated trig, rather than more accurate trig, for the largest blocksizes. but hey. |
00:30:23 | saratoga | AFAIK no codec except tremor uses 4096 blocks |
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00:30:41 | saratoga | and while the encoder can do as it likes, I would be very suprised if they are used frequently at 44.1kHz |
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00:31:03 | saratoga | most codecs reserve them for higher sampling rates, as the temporal resolution is unacceptably low at 44.1khz with a 4096 block |
00:31:51 | stripwax | yeah, probably vorbis too. anyway, like I said, if we did that it would be no worse than Tremor... |
00:31:59 | saratoga | FWIW, when we accidentally merged the rotation and fft tables (by pretending they were the same!) the result was accurate to almost 12 bits |
00:32:12 | saratoga | i'm sure linear interpolation here gives >> 16 bits resolution |
00:32:57 | stripwax | Another (suspected - not measured) cause of slowness is that the revtab is not in iram, and I would really love to resolve that by changing the butterflies so that the input permutation is *regular* bitrev and not a crazy splitradix base2/base4 digit rev mess |
00:33:04 | stripwax | saratoga - I'm sure you're right |
00:33:10 | stripwax | It is after all just that very last step. |
00:33:15 | saratoga | is the bitrev table that large? |
00:33:41 | stripwax | it's sized for 4096 FFT, but sneakily stored in uint16_t so only 2K |
00:33:58 | stripwax | Putting in iram might help |
00:34:04 | saratoga | uint16_t revtab[1<<12]; |
00:34:07 | stripwax | I'd rather get rid of it totally though, to be honest |
00:34:19 | saratoga | so 8KB |
00:34:48 | stripwax | Errr, yeah, that's what I meant. Honest. |
00:35:09 | stripwax | 8KB would be a big old waste of iram |
00:35:14 | saratoga | agreed |
00:35:58 | stripwax | If the radix-4 part of the fft could be rewritten/transposed to use regular bitrev, then that would also enable (in future) doing a real half imdct in-place (something I'm 99% certain cannot be done right now with that horrible split radix indexing scheme) |
00:36:39 | stripwax | with regular bitrev, you can just swap element X and Bitrev[X]. |
00:36:45 | stripwax | kinda |
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00:37:21 | saratoga | most codecs do 98% 512 point FFTs, so you could probably get away with just a 1KB bitrev table in IRAM and the other sizes in DRAM |
00:37:29 | wookey_ | hi all, just upgraded to v3.5 on a snasa e200 and all is lovely |
00:37:59 | saratoga | WMA is the exception, and even then its still ike 50% 512 point, so you'd get most of the speed up there |
00:38:06 | stripwax | saratoga - I'd rather have no table at all, than a 1KB table in IRAM and an 8KB table in DRAM :) |
00:38:10 | saratoga | (assuming its too hard to fixe the problem) |
00:38:18 | gevaerts | wookey_: great! Does that mean the database duplication issue is gone? |
00:38:20 | wookey_ | I previously installed in march 2008. Has the e200 bootloader changed since then in significant ways? |
00:38:37 | wookey_ | gevaerts: don't know - haven't done the wife's machine yet - which weas the poorly one |
00:38:41 | gevaerts | ah, ok |
00:38:45 | saratoga | yes, it no longer uses the OF for USB |
00:38:51 | stripwax | Getting rid of the mdct twiddles and merging with the regular fft trig also means all that fsincos initialisation disappears (which is not exactly lightweight) |
00:38:56 | wookey_ | But that seems to be working alkready |
00:38:57 | saratoga | upgrade if that matters to you (it will still work fine if you don't) |
00:39:14 | gevaerts | The only major change in the bootloader since then is that the current bootloader now always boots rockbox |
00:39:29 | wookey_ | OK. I'll update |
00:39:30 | gevaerts | The old one booted the OF if you booted by pluging in |
00:40:16 | wookey_ | OK. right. I see. yes it still does that. |
00:40:24 | saratoga | stripwax: have you ever looked at the code gcc generates for the prerotation? |
00:41:05 | wookey_ | gevaerts: I may not have looked in the right place but I couldn;t eaily find a list of what had changed since when in the bootloader |
00:41:20 | wookey_ | so eventually I just came and asked :-) |
00:41:32 | gevaerts | hm, yes. We don't really have a decent changelog for the bootloaders |
00:41:50 | wookey_ | BTW when I run btutil it complains about network config. what am I doing wrong? |
00:42:37 | stripwax | saratoga - yeah. not the worst thing I've ever seen (only one local variable on stack). But that's probably one more than ideal. |
00:42:48 | wookey_ | 'Network error:request aborted. Please check you r network and proxy settings' |
00:42:50 | saratoga | stripwax: i don't suppose you have it handy to pastebin? |
00:43:04 | gevaerts | IIRC I've seen that a while ago if you used a 32 bit build on a 64 bit setup |
00:43:19 | wookey_ | hmm. I carefully downloaded 640bit build |
00:43:24 | wookey_ | 64 |
00:43:45 | * | gevaerts looks at bluebrother |
00:43:54 | wookey_ | And version says 1.2.2, whereas other archs are 1.2.4 |
00:44:53 | wookey_ | file says: ELF 64-bit LSB executable, x86-64 |
00:44:53 | gevaerts | ok, it happens here as well |
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00:47:46 | gevaerts | the old version is because nobody has built the latest version yet, which is because we want a static build, which is a pain with qt |
00:48:18 | wookey_ | why the static build? I'ch much prefer to be able to apt-get install rbutil |
00:48:24 | wookey_ | with normal dynamci libs |
00:48:38 | wookey_ | then it could download and install 'current'. Is that difficult? |
00:49:42 | wookey_ | and shouldn't the x86 and amd64 build processes be identical? |
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00:50:15 | gevaerts | they are, but apparently the people who usually have their build setup ready run 32 bit |
00:50:28 | TheSeven | damn, found the first rev. 7 / rev. 9 difference |
00:50:32 | TheSeven | it's an LCD init value |
00:50:44 | gevaerts | a normal dynamic build is easy. I'm not sure how compatible those are between distributions these days though |
00:51:18 | wookey_ | gevaerts: probably not very. I can see that attraction of a static build for the website-download 'just works' situation |
00:51:24 | gevaerts | And having the distributions package it isn't really ideal yet, there are still changes pretty regularly that need a fast turnaround |
00:51:42 | wookey_ | even in the installer? |
00:51:46 | gevaerts | Maybe we should just try dynamic builds and see what happens |
00:52:39 | gevaerts | yes. 3.5 need rbutil 1.2.4 due to some changes in how build information is retrieved from the server. |
00:53:20 | wookey_ | OK. Well I guess I'll use old-fashion sansapatcher then, or try a local build from svn |
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00:53:51 | gevaerts | We've basically had that sort of thing for all recent releases, although I think the issues get smaller every time, so we might get there in the end :) |
00:54:10 | wookey_ | A distro-packaged version may not always work, but it will probably work for a fair while before you break it again? |
00:55:00 | wookey_ | I suppose the 'stable' version could be almost permanently 'too old' |
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00:55:04 | gevaerts | We tend to break it just before releases (because that's when we notice the issues) |
00:55:08 | * | stripwax wonders what all happened there |
00:55:12 | stripwax | saratoga - mdct.asm http://pastebin.com/m16b83b82 |
00:56:05 | wookey_ | the debian-way fix for this is to upload a .deb to your own repo and point debian/ubuntu people at that |
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00:56:35 | gevaerts | yes, either that or possibly volatile I guess |
00:57:30 | wookey_ | letting the nice OBS people built it for $most distros would save you the trouble of maintainng this for loads of distros |
00:59:24 | gevaerts | hm, I wasn't really aware of them. That might be a good solution |
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01:00:42 | saratoga | stripwax: thanks |
01:01:31 | saratoga | no use of load/store multiple even though it loads 8 bytes at a stride |
01:02:48 | saratoga | could probably get another 1 MHz back by optimizing it |
01:03:38 | stripwax | hrm, it doesn't really load 8 bytes at a stride. It loads a word from *in1, and then increments pointer by two words.. |
01:03:53 | stripwax | (and reads a word from *in2, and then decrements pointer by two words) |
01:04:09 | saratoga | T[1], T[0], &z[j].re, &z[j].im |
01:04:13 | saratoga | those are both sequential |
01:04:16 | stripwax | possibly the best you could do for a quick optimise is using ldm to read the twiddles and write the outputs |
01:04:22 | stripwax | Yeah, what you said :) |
01:04:30 | saratoga | from the ASM: 98: e5972004 ldr r2, [r7, #4] 9c: e5973000 ldr r3, [r7] |
01:04:34 | saratoga | gcc is fucking stupid |
01:04:40 | stripwax | gah. |
01:04:42 | stripwax | that is awful gcc |
01:05:06 | stripwax | Is there a way to force gcc to use ldm instructions more often? |
01:05:35 | saratoga | not that I know of |
01:05:48 | saratoga | i'm actually a little confused why it so frequently fails to use it |
01:05:56 | stripwax | Agree, any/all of those sections could be hand optimised. take a look at the reflection stuff in ff_imdct_calc - it's also not exactly perfect. but again not the worst I've ever seen. |
01:06:19 | saratoga | it may be that it doesn't realize that arm7tdmi is so much slower for single loads |
01:06:30 | stripwax | likely. |
01:06:43 | Unhelpful | TheSeven: how hard would it be for gdb to do that? |
01:07:42 | TheSeven | honestly i have no clue about gdb internals |
01:08:24 | gevaerts | bluebrother, domonoky: have a look at https://build.opensuse.org/. That should be helpful for rbutil |
01:08:27 | TheSeven | you can basically read/write memory/registers and halt/resume program execution |
01:08:39 | wookey_ | gaeverts: bootloader upload beautifully painless and now it all works rather more slickly - top job :-) |
01:08:41 | TheSeven | and there is a breakpoint instruction |
01:08:48 | TheSeven | (some SWI) |
01:09:02 | saratoga | on the upside it does at least look like it was smart enough to avoid incrementing in1,in2 twice per loop by using an offset when loading :) |
01:09:06 | wookey_ | If only I could make thunar-volman actually mount the thing everything would be lovely |
01:09:14 | TheSeven | in theory that's all you need for a debugger |
01:10:01 | saratoga | so 28mhz wma right now, and we could probably save another 1-2MHz in the prerotation, and a few more in the main fft, so i bet we could do < 25MHz WMA on PP |
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01:10:57 | wookey_ | I'll attack the wife's now :-) and see if I can get gpodder syning working right too |
01:11:12 | gevaerts | good luck! |
01:12:06 | TheSeven | gah, it's too late for ARM condition codes today... |
01:12:28 | wookey_ | what is the 'committing database' message about on boot? Tess's sansa does that 9 times on startup |
01:12:30 | TheSeven | need to do a trivial timeout loop, and just don't get it right |
01:12:40 | wookey_ | (with old software) |
01:13:05 | TheSeven | something like start=tick; while(tick<(start+timeout)); (wrap-safe) |
01:13:39 | JdGordon_ | use TIME_BEFORE() or TIME_AFTER() which are wrap safe |
01:13:51 | stripwax | saratoga - which bitrate? (trunk is already 27.56MHz for 96kbps) |
01:13:56 | TheSeven | it isn't in rockbox, and it needs to be ASM |
01:14:14 | TheSeven | (it is in very early norloader init code) |
01:15:04 | saratoga | oh misremembered, your test was 28.52 for 192k |
01:15:24 | stripwax | yep (versus 29.4 for trunk) |
01:15:55 | TheSeven | so i assume i basically do add <end>, <tick>, <timeout>; label: cmp <tick>, <end>; b<cc> label |
01:15:59 | saratoga | i can squeeze even more out of the codec itself too |
01:16:01 | TheSeven | but what the heck is <cc>? |
01:16:01 | wookey_ | ah. don;t upgrade the bootloader before upgrading rockbox - they run round switching from rockbox to native firmwares offering the other to do USB-connecting :-) |
01:16:08 | saratoga | i wonder how far i can take the codec on PP |
01:16:23 | stripwax | The big speedup in my vorbis was getting rid of the ugly memcpy (that I put in right at the start of my fastermdct playing since ffmpeg mdct didn't work in place and so vorbis was screwed without a temp buffer) - but that temp buffer is gone now |
01:16:57 | stripwax | TheSeven - "mi" ? I think |
01:17:30 | JdGordon_ | Windows7 |
01:17:33 | JdGordon_ | fuck |
01:17:43 | stripwax | erm |
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01:19:57 | wookey_ | oh dear - I'm getting piles of FAT: Directory bread(block 15271) failed |
01:20:02 | gevaerts | wookey_: from what I can see (but I'm definitely no database expert), the database commits happen on boot if they went wrong earlier for some reason. I'd check if it still happens |
01:20:17 | gevaerts | hm, time for fsck then... |
01:20:32 | stripwax | TheSeven - (could always check the asm for TIME_BEFORE to check..) |
01:20:43 | wookey_ | yes, good job there isn't anything valuable and un-backed-up on here |
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01:20:50 | TheSeven | stripwax: probably rather PL, or the args of the cmp reversed |
01:21:03 | stripwax | TheSeven - ah, probably |
01:21:26 | TheSeven | or not - looks like my mind is screwed today... |
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01:36:54 | Unhelpful | TheSeven: cc is carry clear... equivalent to lo, cs equivalent to hs |
01:37:57 | Torne | flyback: Actually viewing all the data in detail can go in a plugin, yes |
01:38:12 | TheSeven | Unhelpful: i meant <cc> as a placeholder for "condition code" ;-) |
01:38:22 | Torne | flyback: but checking the overall health status and the pre-fail/old-age attributes would be good on startup |
01:38:37 | Torne | flyback: it can just display a splash telling you there may be a problem, and you can run the plugin if you want lots of details |
01:38:39 | TheSeven | and no, cs isn't equivalent to lo/cs :-P |
01:38:52 | TheSeven | damn, cc of course |
01:39:13 | Torne | flyback: the actual data is not hard to parse so that wouldn't be much code. only a human-friendly UI for looking at settings would be big :) |
01:39:18 | Torne | er, attributes, not settings |
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01:44:21 | Unhelpful | oh... ok. :) |
01:45:00 | Unhelpful | Torne: cc == lo, cs == hs, yes? |
01:45:36 | Unhelpful | i don't really use lo/hs... i just remember how arm does subtraction and that makes it clear enough when carry is set :) |
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01:49:37 | flyback | yeah I know if you can do it, awesome |
01:49:48 | flyback | then I can focus on things I want like network doom play |
01:49:54 | flyback | and more mod formats playback |
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01:50:17 | flyback | oh nice |
01:50:20 | flyback | you got linux on your palm? |
01:50:30 | flyback | I just got a broken T5 off ebay to combine with mine into a working unit |
01:50:34 | Strife89|PalmTX | flyback: Not yet. |
01:50:50 | Strife89|PalmTX | flyback: VERSION me for details. |
01:50:55 | * | flyback also has 11 m130's he got off ebat he has to test so he can order cables and batteries |
01:50:58 | JdGordon1 | flyback: seriously? we have to ask you again to stay on topic in here? |
01:51:08 | flyback | sure |
01:51:09 | JdGordon1 | that *is* your last warning |
01:51:27 | flyback | that's ok i'lll probably just forget in 5 mins anyways |
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01:58:00 | flyback | I can't even remeber to hold onto my fucking mp3 player |
01:58:08 | flyback | not even 24 hrs with rockbox on it and I dropped it |
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02:03:31 | saratoga | what just happened |
02:04:34 | flyback | i'd love to comment but it's offf topic |
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02:05:46 | saratoga | let me see if I can do this |
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02:13:49 | flyback | welcome to irc.titanic.org |
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02:17:39 | webguest35 | xxxx |
02:17:59 | webguest35 | still no malloc/free in rockbox? |
02:18:11 | saratoga | only in plugins/codecs |
02:18:53 | webguest35 | really? There's malloc in plugins?? |
02:19:03 | saratoga | sure |
02:19:27 | saratoga | you can use the pluginlib one, or provide your own |
02:19:39 | saratoga | i think most plugins use their own |
02:19:59 | webguest35 | hmm |
02:20:26 | webguest35 | thanks. |
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04:31:48 | TheSeven | for anyone keen on testing norboot: I have made a new version, that will now hopefully support all board and lcd types |
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04:39:40 | TheSeven | btw, it's using dma-based lcd updating, and it's working just fine |
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07:33:11 | JdGordon | are the -Fixed fonts broken? |
07:34:27 | JdGordon | and the sazanami ones |
07:41:32 | JdGordon | nope, I broke font.c |
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09:39:06 | B4gder | Zagor: ohloh says Rockbox is "only" 920078 lines |
09:39:15 | B4gder | ah right, they exclude empty ones |
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09:39:27 | Zagor | ah |
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09:40:03 | JdGordon | ohloh stopped updating us |
09:40:19 | B4gder | "Updated 13 Jan 2010" |
09:40:54 | B4gder | hm yes it says "Failed 25 days ago" |
09:43:56 | * | JdGordon has apparently touched 8% of the code! that cant be good :p |
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10:14:46 | _zic | hello |
10:15:21 | _zic | while completing russian translation for rockbox utility yesterday, i noticed the <numerusform> frame |
10:15:50 | _zic | http://pastebin.com/m4f1ab56f |
10:16:41 | _zic | does anybody know what it is intended to do/be/mean/whatever ? |
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10:42:51 | linuxstb | gevaerts: I don't think http://forums.rockbox.org/index.php?topic=23848.0 is a corrupted installation - the checksum differs by 5, which is also the difference between the 4g greyscale and Color/Photo model number... |
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10:46:02 | funman | _zic: i think it's for languages which have different plural forms |
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10:47:57 | funman | I can't find doc for the <numerus> tag in Qt4 doc, do you use a text editor or qt linguist ? |
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10:48:41 | _zic | funman, yes i also think so, and russian is one of these languages, but there's no explicit indication in which one to put one particular form |
10:48:46 | _zic | no, i use gedit |
10:49:07 | funman | http://doc.trolltech.com/4.6/i18n-plural-rules.html < I would think the 3 <numerus> are the 3 rules |
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10:53:57 | gevaerts | linuxstb: does that model get into the crc? |
10:55:11 | _zic | funman, kind of confusing... but thanks :) i think i'm going to install qt linguist on my windows machine |
10:57:00 | _zic | qt linguist doesn't seem to run on linux :( |
10:58:57 | gevaerts | it does |
10:59:03 | linuxstb | gevaerts: Yes, the bootloader checksum is initialised with the model number |
10:59:25 | gevaerts | ah, ok |
10:59:47 | linuxstb | So a small difference normally means the wrong version installed. |
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11:00:06 | gevaerts | good to know |
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11:06:06 | funman | _zic: on ubuntu it is called "linguist" or "linguist-qt4" in qt4-dev-tools package |
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11:12:48 | _zic | funman, gevaerts: thanks :) didn't know it, google code page doesn't provide the linux version |
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11:54:42 | AlexP | JdGordon: Flyback has already had numerous last warnings - just ban him next time |
11:54:51 | AlexP | Or mute at least |
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13:01:56 | topik | gevaerts: i'm reading your and betriks meizu experiments on the forum from december. did you do anything special to compile meizu_dfu and/or the bootloader? |
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13:14:05 | gevaerts | topik: no |
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13:21:41 | topik | neither compiles atm |
13:21:43 | topik | from svn |
13:24:12 | topik | from what i read, you made some nice progress and i was hoping to contribute by testing/debugging on my m6sl |
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13:43:21 | TheSeven | topik: pastebinning a copy of the compile errors might be helpful |
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13:47:24 | topik | TheSeven: http://www.pastebin.ca/1791269 |
13:47:51 | TheSeven | ouch, that was me who broke it :-) |
13:48:19 | TheSeven | there should be a stub for that file for the meizus though |
13:48:38 | topik | yeah, i figured it was because of the nano2g ftl |
13:48:58 | TheSeven | the path where it's looking for is weird though |
13:49:02 | TheSeven | this looks like a makefile bug |
13:49:28 | TheSeven | wrong include path for dependency generation? |
13:49:52 | TheSeven | how does your make.dep look likeß |
13:50:44 | topik | i think you're right |
13:51:29 | topik | make.dep: http://www.pastebin.ca/1791271 |
13:52:14 | topik | all i did was ../tools/configure, 110, B with current svn |
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13:56:04 | TheSeven | hm, it's scattering them along 3 places: /opt/rockbox/<proper path>, /opt/rockbox/build-meizu/<proper path>, /opt/rockbox/build-meizu/<plain filename> |
13:56:13 | TheSeven | obviously the first one is right |
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13:59:22 | bug2000 | Rockbox is amazing. I would never guess my music player is capable of all this. Thank you people for doing such an amazing work! |
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14:00:37 | nuCCk | Any thing new about ipod classic 160gb and rockbox? |
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14:01:46 | TheSeven | nuCCk: the old one or the new one? |
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14:08:08 | nuCCk | think it the new it is about 2 years olde |
14:09:08 | nuCCk | can i check it some place |
14:10:36 | TheSeven | then it's the old one |
14:10:48 | TheSeven | the new one was released just some months ago |
14:11:15 | TheSeven | well, we can execute code on that one, but not much has been done with it yet |
14:11:53 | nuCCk | ok whit the olde? |
14:12:18 | nuCCk | is there any work planed |
14:14:36 | TheSeven | i was referring to the old one |
14:14:49 | TheSeven | and nobody seems to be working on it currently |
14:15:08 | nuCCk | ok |
14:15:29 | topik | TheSeven: if i edit make.dep manually, will it work? |
14:15:36 | TheSeven | hopefully |
14:15:45 | TheSeven | but you should find out what's going wrong in the first place |
14:18:38 | --> | "help" received from forkup (chillen@cpe-075-177-073-192.triad.res.rr.com) |
14:19:12 | topik | for my fuze and nano2g things get generated fine |
14:21:08 | topik | the meizu ms6sl stub files are just not there |
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14:30:40 | Stephen__ | JdGordon, do you use the rockbox_none base skin ? if uiviewport is used it's not recognised without a .sbs on normal themes. |
14:35:57 | * | _zic just uploaded the russian translation update for rbutil. please can someone go accept it ? |
14:36:26 | wind | Could I use screendump in the system-debug to print screen? |
14:37:46 | evilnick_B | wind: Yes |
14:38:01 | wind | How to? |
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14:38:54 | evilnick_B | wind: Check the manual for your player, but usually it disables USB connectivity so each time you plug it into your computer then it'll take a screendump instead of connecting |
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14:43:51 | wind | evilnick_BL:Could the Rockbox add a new function to achieve it? |
14:44:40 | wind | Instead of plug the player into computer. |
14:45:17 | gevaerts | why? |
14:45:20 | evilnick_B | I'm sure that it'd be possible to do so, but I don't see why it shouldn't be done the current way |
14:46:15 | evilnick_B | You'd enable screendump, then plug into the computer each time you want it to "print screen", to then access each of these files, you would then disable screendump and re-connect then copy the files over (they are stored in the root of the drive) |
14:46:43 | wind | Because sometimes I want to save my screen. |
14:49:26 | evilnick_B | In that case, I believe that you could (NB - I haven't looked into the code) but you'd need to compile your own build to do this. |
14:49:42 | evilnick_B | It'd be a lot simpler to just use screendump when you're near a computer |
14:49:50 | gevaerts | you'd need to find an available button combination |
14:51:29 | TheSeven | anybody with a nano2g with lcd type 2 or 3 around? (lcd detect: 0:0, 1:1 / 0:0, 1:0 / 0:1, 1:1) |
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14:52:08 | * | TheSeven needs to test the new driver |
14:52:25 | wind | I dont want to use computer to achieve this function. |
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14:52:44 | linuxstb | wind: Well, that's the only way Rockbox can do screendumps, unless someone writes a new feature... |
14:53:55 | wind | Could we make a button just like PrtScr in windows? |
14:53:58 | topik | where do you see those lcd detect values, TheSeven ? |
14:54:10 | TheSeven | diagmode |
14:54:19 | TheSeven | other => status |
14:54:29 | TheSeven | press select to show the lower page |
14:54:39 | gevaerts | wind: sure. Find a button that's unused and use that |
14:55:30 | topik | 0:1, 1:0 |
14:55:37 | TheSeven | that's a type 7 |
14:55:42 | TheSeven | (the one i also have) |
14:55:49 | topik | then i'm unable to help :( |
14:55:59 | wind | How to do it without computer thats what I am concerned. |
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14:57:19 | linuxstb | wind: You can't. Unless you're a C programmer, and can modify how Rockbox works. |
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14:58:14 | topik | it's a shame my nano2g is only 2GB. that's why i hoped for meizu m6sl progress. same cpu but mine is 8GB |
14:58:23 | topik | nano 2g really has good runtime |
14:58:30 | wind | linuxstb:But in fact,I can't. |
14:59:12 | gevaerts | wind: technically you don't need a computer, since rockbox only looks at the power pins for this |
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15:02:01 | wind | only the power pins? |
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15:07:09 | wind | I still have a problem: how to exit the screendump? |
15:08:28 | Torne | go and select the same option again, it's a toggle |
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15:10:26 | wind | but if I have open the screendump,then I put the USB line into the player,the player cannot do anything again. |
15:10:48 | wind | I have to reset it |
15:11:35 | Torne | That's not supposed to happen |
15:13:13 | wind | Torne:But it has happened |
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15:15:57 | Torne | Yes, obviously |
15:16:04 | Torne | but my point is there is no "way to exit the screendump" |
15:16:16 | Torne | because it's not supposed to make the player hang |
15:16:25 | Torne | it should just take the screendump, show a splash, then you can carry on using it |
15:16:30 | evilnick_B | Torne: After you disconnect USB, then you should be able to disable the screendump option again and it'll work as it did before when you connect USB |
15:16:43 | evilnick_B | Er... s/Torne/wind/ |
15:16:56 | Torne | evilnick_B: yes, but his point is once he plugs in the usb cable for the dump his player stops working entirely |
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16:09:11 | TheSeven | damn, the new LCD driver breaks alpha blending :-/ |
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16:31:54 | TheSeven | really nobody with another nano2g here? |
16:32:03 | * | TheSeven needs testers |
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18:11:37 | akur | i would like have some wiki priveleges, please? |
18:11:51 | linuxstb | What's your wiki name? |
18:11:58 | akur | RuiAraujo |
18:13:14 | linuxstb | akur: That's done. |
18:13:26 | akur | thanks |
18:19:02 | kugel | we should've patented folder skip :) cowon implented it in the new E2 firmware (and it works exactly how it does in rb) |
18:20:55 | dionoea | what does folder skip do ? |
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18:23:54 | * | linuxstb guesses it skips folders |
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18:24:47 | kugel | dionoea: you can skip to the next/previous folder directly from the wps with a key combo |
18:25:07 | dionoea | oh, neat. |
18:25:18 | linuxstb | Didn't that idea come from the iriver firmware originally? |
18:25:27 | linuxstb | (h1x0 or h3x0) |
18:25:37 | dionoea | linuxstb: it could have been several things :) (like skip this subfolder when inserting in playlist for example) |
18:26:20 | kugel | linuxstb: that's possible, I don't know |
18:28:51 | dionoea | is that documented somewhere? (I can't find anything in the e200, ipod video or archos recorder docs, searching for "folder") |
18:29:13 | JdGordon | e200 its power+next/prev |
18:29:27 | JdGordon | ipod is select+next/prev i think |
18:29:53 | dionoea | bah, I should have looked for "directory" :) |
18:29:54 | dionoea | thanks |
18:30:43 | kugel | short next, release, then long next (or prev) works on all targets I think |
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18:33:41 | piotrekm | TheSeven: i have just read the log, still want to test it? |
18:34:17 | TheSeven | yep |
18:34:22 | TheSeven | it should finally work on yours |
18:34:30 | piotrekm | great |
18:34:47 | piotrekm | and what's that fuss about double-buffering, any visible difference? |
18:35:04 | TheSeven | we haven't tried that with rockbox yet |
18:35:22 | TheSeven | but norloader, iloader and ibugger have lightning-fast lcd updates now, even with caches disabled! |
18:35:38 | TheSeven | no more visible tearing during the updates etc. |
18:36:18 | piotrekm | sounds cool. And no possible interference with nand reading/writing or anything like that? |
18:36:31 | piotrekm | i just guess it also uses dma |
18:36:46 | TheSeven | we have a total of 9 (woah!) dma channels on that device |
18:37:23 | piotrekm | this little ipod keeps amazing me. About a month ago i considered it the most limited device i possess |
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18:41:28 | kugel | well, with the apple os it surely is on of the most limited ones :) |
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18:47:18 | TheSeven | kugel: not neccessarily. they have quite a lot of features nowadays |
18:47:32 | TheSeven | but it definitely is the most limited os compared to the hardware it's running on :-) |
18:49:37 | darkham | i would like to know some rockbox next step... |
18:49:38 | darkham | :) |
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18:50:09 | * | TheSeven doesn't get that darkham means |
18:51:46 | darkham | TheSeven, i mean i would like to know what developers are almost ready to release, in rockbox features |
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18:52:55 | piotrekm | isn't that what is in svn? |
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18:53:41 | Torne | darkham: anything that is in a suitable state to be checked in, is checked in |
18:53:49 | Torne | anything else, is not kept track of particularly. |
18:54:32 | Torne | Well, ok, some things are sitting as patches in FS |
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18:55:23 | piotrekm | like the sorting tags support *_* |
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18:56:28 | Atlanx | good day |
18:56:51 | kugel | piotrekm: there's a patch about it, but it costs a lot of ram |
18:57:35 | piotrekm | kugel: i saw it, but didn't try. much meaning 1MB or more? |
18:57:43 | piotrekm | *lot |
18:57:43 | Atlanx | I get a new error from Rockbox Uitlity for updating to RB 3.5. |
18:57:53 | kugel | depends on how many music you have |
18:58:28 | kugel | the database can get quite big, and that patch doubles that |
18:58:36 | Atlanx | Problem found: - Abweichendes Gerät erkannt. Installiertes Gerät: e200, gewähltes Gerät: Sansa e200v1 series - |
18:58:46 | piotrekm | on a 2GB ipod it's not a problem i suppose |
18:59:52 | AlexP | Storage size is nothing to do with it |
18:59:54 | AlexP | RAM usage is |
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19:00:34 | AlexP | Atlanx: Any chance of a rough English translation? |
19:00:44 | piotrekm | i mean, with 2GB i can't get a large amount of music, so my library wont swell much |
19:00:46 | AlexP | Atlanx: Is it complaining that the target name changed? |
19:00:54 | AlexP | piotrekm: Ah right |
19:00:56 | AlexP | Sorry :) |
19:01:03 | piotrekm | no problem;) |
19:01:24 | Atlanx | yes: Problem : Diffrent Device found. Installed Device: e200, choosen Device: Sansa e200v1 series |
19:01:35 | AlexP | Atlanx: You can ignore that |
19:01:56 | AlexP | Atlanx: There was an internal name change, you should only get that message once |
19:02:29 | Atlanx | yes , but it is an irritating error message. should i report it? - ok will ignore it |
19:02:42 | AlexP | No, it will only happen once and is intentional |
19:02:51 | Atlanx | ok thank you |
19:02:55 | AlexP | no worries |
19:03:36 | freddyb | Torne: you still playing with Frotz? |
19:03:52 | Torne | i'm not developing it at the moment |
19:04:03 | Torne | but I will, yes |
19:06:28 | freddyb | I resyned my virtual keyboard patches and added a new accerated variation to the scroll_1d patch. You might try it you didn't like Keep_rollin or regular Scroll_1d. |
19:06:37 | freddyb | FS #10763 |
19:06:42 | Torne | i didn't actually get around to trying either of those |
19:06:49 | Torne | :) |
19:06:59 | Torne | messing with DMA and USB charging atm |
19:07:04 | kugel | interesting, wikipedia already claims we have a 4 month release cycle now |
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19:09:21 | gevaerts | domonoky, bluebrother: did you see my note last night? |
19:10:27 | domonoky | gevaerts: no, which note ? |
19:10:50 | gevaerts | http://www.rockbox.org/irc/log-20100209#01:08:24 |
19:14:43 | TheSeven | btw, the 4-month release cycle has been in there since r309625126, 17:03, 23 August 2009 |
19:15:08 | * | domonoky doesnt really sees the benefit of building a rpm via some buildservice, if we can just build one static binarys. |
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19:15:15 | piotrekm | TheSeven: So shall i expect the norloader soon, or just wait? |
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19:15:58 | TheSeven | piotrekm: i updated the files on my server |
19:16:02 | TheSeven | same procedure as yesterday |
19:16:27 | gevaerts | domonoky: sure, but currently we don't have an up to date 64 bit binary, and the one that's there doesn't actually work. As long as static binaries are a pain to build, we should keep an eye open for alternatives |
19:18:50 | domonoky | true, but there are probably better solutions. (like using distributed buildsystem, and getting clients for all 4 rbutil variants.) |
19:19:07 | piotrekm | TheSeven: ok, i'll try |
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19:29:18 | piotrekm | TheSeven: i have to say it even got a bit worse... the screen is white after running "nano2brdfu-regular.py norloader.dfu" and i can't reset the ipod;> |
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19:30:27 | Stephen__ | JdGordon_, see my message earlier ? |
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19:31:52 | Crackerizer | Hello, |
19:31:57 | bluebrother | gevaerts: building rbutil with static Qt isn't complicated at all, you "just" need to build a static binary of Qt. Which takes quite some time. Btw, I've already thought about creating an rpm for fedora. |
19:32:11 | Crackerizer | I need some help today. |
19:33:02 | bluebrother | having distribution packages shouldn't be a problem, if we can trigger updated. Which I assume would be the problem. Plus the volunteers creating those packages (I have some knowledge about rpm, but around zero for deb) |
19:33:06 | Crackerizer | I'm trying to copy my songs back from ipod. But it seems hell slow. |
19:33:58 | Crackerizer | Anybody here have the same problem please give me suggestion. |
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19:37:38 | evilnick_B | Crackerizer: Are you using Rockbox's USB stack or the OF's? |
19:38:32 | gevaerts | bluebrother: I didn't say it's complicated! I maintain that it's a pain though :) |
19:38:34 | piotrekm | TheSeven: now i managed to reset it finally, and with hold on repeated the "nano2brdfu...", and the only difference from yesterday is that today the lcd turned white back again, no further response |
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19:39:11 | linuxstb | Crackerizer: Which version of Rockbox are you using? 3.5? |
19:40:05 | TheSeven | piotrekm: damn, so type-2 lcd init still doesn't work |
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19:40:13 | pabouk_ | Could you please raise severity and/or priority of http://www.rockbox.org/tracker/task/10983 ? The latest iriver H120 builds are unbootable. |
19:40:14 | TheSeven | (but doesn't hang any more at least) |
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19:40:59 | TheSeven | when you reboot it with the hold switch on (and the backlight turning on), can you see the ipod in lsusb? (as "Unified iBugger" or ffff:4248 or such) |
19:41:35 | piotrekm | i reverted to iloader, i will tell you in a moment |
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19:41:44 | JdGordon_ | kugel: ping? |
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19:41:59 | kugel | pong |
19:42:04 | JdGordon_ | pixelma: any chance you can test the radio patch on the ondiofm today/tomorow? |
19:42:38 | JdGordon_ | kugel: would you like to fix the skin buffer allocation so it uses only as much as needed? |
19:42:40 | darkham | excuse me, with rockbox 3.5 is changed something about it and sansa fuze? |
19:42:51 | piotrekm | TheSeven: i can't actually reboot it to get the white screen back again, only after rebooting i can load the norloader.dfu again |
19:43:01 | darkham | it's ever a dual boot? |
19:43:16 | kugel | I would like to have a look yes, but I'm still during exams so it has to wait a bit |
19:43:33 | JdGordon_ | ah sure |
19:43:36 | JdGordon_ | exams suck :) |
19:44:05 | gevaerts | darkham: with 3.5 the fuze was promoted to "stable" |
19:44:45 | piotrekm | TheSeven: but when i load the norboot-orig.dfu back again, i get a strange two-color apple logo before the iloader shows, does that have anything to do with the new norboot? |
19:45:12 | darkham | great, must i ever upgrade it reaplacing the /.rockbox in the player? |
19:45:34 | TheSeven | piotrekm: that happens because norboot can't find its logo, because you overwrote it (with iloader and such) |
19:45:40 | JdGordon_ | AlexP: 10853 TEST IT! :) |
19:45:40 | piotrekm | oh |
19:45:54 | AlexP | JdGordon_: Calm down tiger :) |
19:46:00 | AlexP | JdGordon_: And OK :) |
19:46:11 | bug2000 | AlexP: I fell in love with Rockbox. |
19:46:22 | AlexP | bug2000: Good :) |
19:46:29 | JdGordon_ | I cant really finish multifont untill fm is in (I dont like having many patches going in parallel) |
19:46:42 | bug2000 | Only tiny issue left to fix is a font issue [no Hebrew >.<] with the theme I use. Didn't check if it does show it in the default theme yet. |
19:47:24 | bug2000 | And it doesn't >.< |
19:48:50 | evilnick_B | bug2000: Have you seen: http://www.rockbox.org/wiki/UnicodeGuide |
19:48:52 | JdGordon_ | then use a font with the same size that does have hebrew |
19:48:53 | AlexP | You just need to pick or make a theme that does |
19:49:00 | AlexP | s/theme/font/ |
19:49:02 | gevaerts | pabouk: did you test any revision other than the ones explicitely listed? |
19:49:39 | linuxstb | pabouk: Also, have you tried the usual things, such as completely removing the old .rockbox folder, and checking your disk for errors? |
19:50:21 | bug2000 | evilnick_B: Accutally I was about to look for it. I'm just noting to self stuff :) |
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19:50:53 | AlexP | JdGordon_: I was thinking about album art for radio stations - I reckon it'd be best to have art named by preset name in a specific folder |
19:51:29 | JdGordon_ | yeah, thats probably how I'd do it too |
19:51:36 | JdGordon_ | frequency doesnt really make sense |
19:51:48 | AlexP | no |
19:52:06 | AlexP | And by preset name would help for stations that change fequency in different places |
19:52:10 | * | gevaerts wonders if pabouk_ saw the questions |
19:52:16 | AlexP | The art would work for different preset files |
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19:52:49 | TheSeven | [19:48]<gevaerts>pabouk: did you test any revision other than the ones explicitely listed? |
19:52:51 | TheSeven | [19:48]<linuxstb>pabouk: Also, have you tried the usual things, such as completely removing the old .rockbox folder, and checking your disk for errors? |
19:53:01 | linuxstb | What about people that travel around? many countries have a "radio 1" |
19:53:23 | AlexP | I have e.g. BBC Radio 1 |
19:53:27 | AlexP | So hadn't thought about that |
19:53:35 | gevaerts | linuxstb: in that case, use a more elaborate naming scheme |
19:54:23 | gevaerts | or add RDS station ids to the presets file, and exclusively use those. People will probably complain though |
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19:55:04 | AlexP | gevaerts: I'll stop complaining as soon as someone does beast RDS :) |
19:55:17 | pabouk | gevaerts: Unfortunately I do not have a build environment so I was able to try what was available on the web. I upgrade almost every day so it was quick to find the latest working daily build. |
19:55:30 | gevaerts | pabouk: ok, just making sure |
19:56:08 | gevaerts | it's just a 10-revision gap, so it's not too bad :) |
19:56:59 | pabouk | linuxstb: I am sorry I forgot about this. Checking at the moment. I will report back. |
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20:00:42 | JdGordon_ | Stephen__: ui viewport setting is ignored if a .sbs is loaded |
20:01:04 | Stephen__ | yeah but if no sbs is loaded uiviewport seems to be ignored also |
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20:01:27 | JdGordon_ | that's a bug then |
20:01:32 | JdGordon_ | file it |
20:01:49 | gevaerts | jhulst: ping |
20:01:54 | Stephen__ | will do thanks. wasn't sure if you knew about it or not |
20:01:55 | JdGordon_ | rockbox_none.sbs probaly needs to be deleted |
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20:02:42 | gevaerts | jhulst: jhulstlab-jhulst seems to put wrong dates in its build results, like r24571-000208 (instead of r24571-100208) |
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20:05:04 | darkham | user can set the registration destination? |
20:05:24 | jhulst | gevaerts: hmm, I'll take a look |
20:05:38 | gevaerts | jhulst: that's generated by "date -u +%y%m%d" normally |
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20:05:51 | JdGordon_ | Stephen__: if its getting ignored it means you still have statusbar set to custom |
20:06:06 | jhulst | gevaerts: ah my lab machine, was having problems with NTP. Should be resolved now |
20:06:08 | JdGordon_ | if you set it to off it will work |
20:06:14 | JdGordon_ | (or top or bottom) |
20:06:20 | Stephen__ | ahhhhh! |
20:06:24 | gevaerts | OK |
20:06:30 | gevaerts | thanks for checking |
20:06:44 | jhulst | no problem |
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20:08:32 | pabouk_ | linuxstb: I removed .rockbox and .scrobbler-timeless.log and the result is the same as in the tracker: I04:IllInstr at 31057FE8 _immediately_ after bootloader finishes its job. |
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20:08:56 | Stephen__ | JdGordon_, nope still same problem |
20:09:28 | JdGordon_ | what does it show? garbage backdrop? |
20:09:41 | Stephen__ | yeah i can take a screenshot on sim ? |
20:10:09 | JdGordon_ | no, I've seen it |
20:10:42 | JdGordon_ | file the bug, say exactly what you are doing (what theme you started ith, how yu changed, etc) |
20:11:00 | Stephen__ | it's any theme that has uiviewport set and no .sbs. |
20:11:10 | Stephen__ | have to remember my password and it's regged to my work email. |
20:11:15 | Stephen__ | can i sign up a new one ? |
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20:11:24 | gevaerts | pabouk: have you tried checking the filesystem? I don't see any suspicious commit in that range |
20:11:45 | linuxstb | pabouk: OK... And the latest current build gives the same problem? |
20:12:25 | gevaerts | linuxstb: r24571 is the latest, so yes |
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20:15:45 | pabouk_ | linuxstb: Yes, it was tested with the latest one which is still the same as reported in the tracker: r24571-000208. |
20:15:46 | linuxstb | pabouk_: Have you been trying the daily builds, or current builds (or both) ? |
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20:18:14 | * | gevaerts still suspects filesystem corruption, unless someone else with a h1x0 sees the same |
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20:18:50 | pabouk_ | linuxstb: The latest daily build is the last known working one (r24556-100207). Firstly I discovered the problem on r24568-100208 then I tested it on the current build r24571-000208. No other build appeared since reporting the problem. |
20:20:10 | Stephen__ | JdGordon_, http://www.rockbox.org/tracker/task/10989 |
20:20:27 | linuxstb | pabouk_: The latest daily is also r24751. But something seems odd, at least with the date of that build (000208) |
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20:21:13 | gevaerts | linuxstb: that date isn't the issue. It was caused by a wrong clock on the build client, and r24568 was built on a different one |
20:22:26 | linuxstb | gevaerts: OK, I didn't say it was related, just that that build was odd... |
20:22:29 | pabouk | linuxstb: The latest build on http://build.rockbox.org/ is r24571-000208. I downloaded it a while ago. I hope it could not be cached somewhere... |
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20:23:31 | JdGordon_ | Stephen__: you are sure the statusbar option is not set to custom? |
20:23:36 | Stephen__ | sure |
20:23:47 | Stephen__ | i changed to top bottom off and cstom all same effect |
20:23:53 | Stephen__ | custom* |
20:24:25 | JdGordon_ | can you attache or pastebin nyour config.cfg? |
20:24:35 | Stephen__ | yep two tics |
20:25:37 | Stephen__ | http://pastebin.com/m4eb077c4 |
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20:32:21 | bug2000 | Ok. After reading it a couple of times. |
20:32:33 | bug2000 | Is there a quick way to know whenever a font supports Hebrew or not without going back and forth? |
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20:32:52 | bug2000 | Also the Unifont [as much as it is nice] is too big. Size of 16... |
20:32:58 | gevaerts | bug2000: http://rasher.dk/rockbox/fontstats/ |
20:33:26 | bug2000 | gevaerts: Thanks :) |
20:33:51 | bug2000 | gevaerts: What are the grey's and blacks? |
20:34:06 | gevaerts | incomplete coverage |
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20:35:40 | bug2000 | gevaerts: I could ask how can it be incomplete coverage if there are only 22+5 letters in the Hebrew Alphabet. |
20:36:06 | gevaerts | I don't know. Maybe archaic letters? |
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20:36:20 | gevaerts | Have a look at the verbose stats for details |
20:36:56 | bug2000 | No such thing as archaic letters. All were used back then. All are used now. |
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20:37:42 | gevaerts | have a look at the linked unicode chart |
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20:39:42 | bug2000 | gevaerts: Oh. I see what it is. |
20:40:04 | bug2000 | gevaerts: Support for `Nikod`. On how to pronounce the letters. |
20:40:35 | bug2000 | And `Teamim`. |
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20:40:46 | bug2000 | So funny to look at the Hebrew PDF. |
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20:41:05 | JdGordon_ | rockbox doesnt show the nikudim |
20:41:14 | gevaerts | If you only need the letters, I guess any grey font will work |
20:41:16 | JdGordon_ | nikudot even |
20:41:43 | bug2000 | gevaerts: Seems like it does :) It's perfect. |
20:41:52 | bug2000 | 08-Fixed looks fine :) |
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20:43:20 | pabouk | gevaerts: I overlooked the question about filesystem, sorry. Yes I checked it. |
20:43:31 | linuxstb | pabouk: Can you try http://linuxstb.cream.org/rockbox/rockbox-r24564.zip ? |
20:43:32 | bug2000 | JdGordon_: It is Nikudim, I guess. Though Nikud refers to both plural and singular. |
20:44:03 | Unhelpful | 14-rockbox-mix is, presumably, glyphs from several source fonts? |
20:46:11 | kugel | Unhelpful: you stopped working on subpixel aa fonts, right? |
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20:47:06 | Unhelpful | kugel: never really got started... there are some nasty troubles in the font cache if we want to support subpixel. i basically got hung up on things i couldn't decide about instead of implementing what i knew :) |
20:47:24 | linuxstb | pabouk_: Can you try http://linuxstb.cream.org/rockbox/rockbox-r24564.zip ? |
20:47:34 | kugel | the other implementation isn't out yet is it? |
20:47:35 | pabouk_ | linuxstb: Your rockbox-r24564.zip booted flawlessly. Thank you for your work! |
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20:48:48 | Unhelpful | kugel: "out"? "other"? |
20:49:04 | linuxstb | pabouk_: OK, can you now try http://linuxstb.cream.org/rockbox/rockbox-r24568.zip ? |
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20:49:27 | kugel | I mean, are we considering to get the aa font patch on the tracker? |
20:49:31 | kugel | +in |
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20:50:22 | bug2000 | gevaerts: I just checked. Those incomplete for fixed are 27 letters -> In other words only the alphabet without the Nikud / Ta`amim. I'm fine with it. Really :0 |
20:50:24 | bug2000 | :) |
20:50:33 | * | kugel would like to see it in if it the drawback for non-aa fonts is next to 0 |
20:50:42 | Unhelpful | i don't know... i thought for a start i might implement mono font support in convttf and at least merge that (as it's useful *now) |
20:50:57 | Unhelpful | kugel: it'll never be quite 0 as there's a binsize bump |
20:51:20 | kugel | yes, I mean except that of course |
20:52:03 | bug2000 | kugel: Your nick is Yummy. |
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20:56:07 | linuxstb | pabouk_: Did you see my second link? |
20:56:31 | Unhelpful | kugel: also there will be a call-via-pointer, or else an extra branch, per character drawn |
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20:56:47 | pabouk | linuxstb: Sorry, my IRC client disconnects all the time. rockbox-r24568.zip failed: I04:IllInstr at 31057FE4 |
20:57:07 | linuxstb | pabouk_: OK, can you now try http://linuxstb.cream.org/rockbox/rockbox-r24565.zip ? |
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20:57:34 | Unhelpful | i forget which way the code actually went, it's been a while |
20:57:46 | Unhelpful | also composing characters were done all wrong, unless that's fixed? |
20:58:01 | * | kugel hopes that branch doesn't make it unacceptable, as it's rather neglible compared to the rest of drawing in his eyes |
20:58:17 | linuxstb | pabouk: Also, you can check the IRC logs here, to see if you missed anything (or if any of your messages didn't get through) - http://www.rockbox.org/irc/current.txt |
20:59:27 | AlexP | JdGordon_: The sbs didn't change from showing the "wps stuff" (selected via) %?mp) to showing the "radio stuff" until I paused the radio - after that it was fine |
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21:00:59 | AlexP | It didn't seem to notice that the playback state had changed on screen entry, I had to force it |
21:02:02 | AlexP | And the radio screen is doing the same thing as the WPS was with only updating the backdrop in viewports - I guess the same issue as "we" fixed the other night? |
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21:02:31 | AlexP | Other than that, it seems grand :) |
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21:03:06 | pabouk | linuxstb: rockbox-r24565.zip works. |
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21:03:34 | linuxstb | pabouk: OK, I'll build another - give me a minute... |
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21:05:08 | linuxstb | But as 24567 is a change to a plugin, r24566 seems the culprit (I'm building that now). |
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21:07:02 | kugel | maybe it has something to do with the remote |
21:07:44 | Unhelpful | kugel: *i* don't think the binsize hit is a huge big deal. maybe when i'm satisfied that i'm done w/ this division mess i'll take a look again. |
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21:08:37 | linuxstb | kugel: I would guess so - the h120 has a main backdrop, but no remote backdrop. |
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21:08:57 | kugel | is the remote 1bbp? |
21:09:08 | pixelma | yes |
21:09:14 | pixelma | the Iriver remote is |
21:09:20 | bertrik | jobec, would you mind experimenting a bit with sansa clip power settings, to try to increase runtime? |
21:09:36 | linuxstb | pabouk: Next one is http://linuxstb.cream.org/rockbox/rockbox-r24566.zip |
21:10:57 | kugel | backdrop_show() should be a stub |
21:11:36 | linuxstb | But what about sb_get_backdrop() ? |
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21:12:39 | pabouk_ | linuxstb: The file seems to be missing on your server: Object not found! Error 404 |
21:12:42 | kugel | just "return sb_skin[screen].data->backdrop; |
21:12:42 | kugel | " which should cause harm as is |
21:13:59 | kugel | JdGordon: sb_create_from_settings() lacks an else, the main ui vp config string is always taken |
21:14:06 | linuxstb | pabouk_: Sorry, fixed now. |
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21:18:08 | pabouk_ | linuxstb: rockbox-r24566.zip works. |
21:18:29 | JdGordon_ | bug2000: yeah, I thought it was nikudim, but then something from the back of my mind made me think nikudot was correct :p |
21:18:30 | linuxstb | pabouk_: OK, so that makes r24568 the culprit - I won't bother with 24567, as that was a change to a plugin. |
21:18:52 | AlexP | JdGordon_: Hmmm, my fms seems to work in the sim but not on target |
21:19:10 | JdGordon_ | kugel: oh? can you fix it? |
21:19:15 | kugel | not right now |
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21:19:33 | linuxstb | kugel: Would that be causing the h120/h140 crash? |
21:19:37 | kugel | the backdrop related functions should check for the screen depth I think |
21:19:50 | kugel | linuxstb: no, I don't know what's crashing it |
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21:20:31 | JdGordon_ | AlexP: ok, I thought i fixed the backdrop issue in the fms |
21:20:47 | JdGordon_ | and not taking effect on start is hopefully just a restore=true missing or something |
21:20:55 | JdGordon_ | how does it not work on target? |
21:21:19 | AlexP | I get the default fm screen, but with my sbs (which works just fine) |
21:21:38 | JdGordon_ | lame :p |
21:21:46 | JdGordon_ | pastebin the fms? |
21:21:55 | AlexP | sure |
21:22:12 | AlexP | Actually, the not taking effect on start doesn't happen on target, that is fine :) |
21:22:45 | JdGordon_ | ok cool |
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21:23:06 | AlexP | JdGordon_: http://pastebin.com/m4b8cf5e2 |
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21:23:48 | JdGordon_ | there is no fm AA yet, so you might need to remove th %C's |
21:24:01 | AlexP | I wondered about that, but it worked on the sim :) |
21:24:04 | AlexP | I'll try without |
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21:26:40 | AlexP | JdGordon_: OK, it was that indeed - funny how the sim didn't mind :) |
21:27:01 | AlexP | JdGordon_: OK, seems great bar the backdrop :) |
21:27:24 | JdGordon_ | can you remind me in the tracker to make %C not break on target? |
21:27:29 | AlexP | sure |
21:28:27 | JdGordon_ | ta |
21:29:05 | piotrekm | shall i save the backdrop images as X1R5G5B5 or R5G6B5 16bit image? |
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21:35:27 | JdGordon_ | AlexP: and the yucky question, whats the skin buffer size (rockbox info screen) |
21:36:18 | AlexP | JdGordon_: 508 KB / 758 KB |
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21:36:52 | jobec | bertrik: sure |
21:37:10 | bertrik | jobec, are you able to build rockbox from source? |
21:37:35 | JdGordon_ | yeah, that buffer really balloons on those big screen targets |
21:38:05 | jobec | nope. or at least i haven't set the build environment up |
21:38:13 | AlexP | JdGordon_: If you reuse backdrops are they loaded twice? |
21:38:22 | JdGordon_ | not in svn |
21:38:24 | AlexP | As I use e.g. the same backdrop for wps and fms |
21:38:34 | JdGordon_ | thats something I need to fix |
21:38:41 | AlexP | ah, OK :) |
21:38:42 | kugel | fms AA almost requires disk spinning up on entering the screen as far as I see it |
21:38:45 | JdGordon_ | but its boring work so I hacvnt :p |
21:38:58 | JdGordon_ | kugel: yes, so? |
21:39:57 | * | kugel remembers that was being 1 argument against the fms backdrop (back when we thought we need to merge it into the wps backdrop buffer) |
21:41:06 | bertrik | jobec, can you place this file in the .rockbox folder of your clip? http://filebin.ca/ssqtay/rockbox.sansa |
21:41:29 | bertrik | it's a firmware file modified to show some extra power settings in the debug menu |
21:41:38 | JdGordon_ | kugel: thats not an argument against fms AA |
21:42:20 | kugel | we should be able to bufopen each AA still within the fms, the only difference to the wps is that ring buffer doesn't move |
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21:43:51 | kugel | has anyone thought of how to obtain the filename? |
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21:45:08 | jobec | bertrik: it's there. which settings? |
21:45:52 | bertrik | system/debug/view hw info |
21:46:25 | bertrik | the bottom line on the first screen of debug info shows SYSTEM: XX CVDD: YY, I want to know XX and YY |
21:46:37 | JdGordon_ | kugel: no audio buffer need to be initialised on fms entry for that to work, which might not work |
21:46:52 | JdGordon_ | as long as we dont try merging fm and rec screens thats should actually be ok |
21:46:53 | kugel | why should that not work? |
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21:47:13 | kugel | audio and buffering is initialized in main |
21:47:20 | jobec | system: 29 cvdd: 04 |
21:47:31 | JdGordon_ | it might just be easier to manually load the images |
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21:48:07 | kugel | but that sucks when changing the channels |
21:48:11 | JdGordon_ | and load up as many as will fit so you can channel surf without hitting the disk |
21:48:28 | bertrik | jobec, thanks, it's the same as on my clip, I was hoping for a set of different numbers as that might explain something |
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21:50:15 | kugel | buffering has the advantage of handling the scaling for us, also the skin engine uses the playback_aa_slot mechanism which is the layer between album art and buffering |
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21:50:45 | kugel | I guess we want to use that to easily switch the sbs to show the fms AA too |
21:51:34 | jobec | bertrik: ok. at least not very big thing to check |
21:53:53 | JdGordon_ | kugel: ah, yeah, but can it be asked to arbitrarily load AA images? even without audio playing? or without audio tracks int heh buffer? |
21:54:30 | kugel | I don't see why not |
21:56:27 | JdGordon_ | ok cool then |
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21:56:54 | kugel | basically we would just call bufopen directly without going through playback.c, but playback.c has the aa_slot handling so it's not that easy |
21:57:09 | kugel | but I'm not foreseeing a big deal |
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22:16:00 | JdGordon_ | have we got an easy way to see all the avilable strings int he english.lang file without all the extra info? |
22:16:11 | JdGordon_ | for people looking to make their skins translatable |
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22:18:34 | kugel | grep :) |
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22:34:08 | bertrik | <build>/lang/lang_core.c ? |
22:35:31 | JdGordon_ | maybe thats something we stick on translate.rockbox.org |
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22:55:04 | B4gder | http://daniel.haxx.se/blog/2010/02/09/my-rockbox-talk-at-fosdem-2010/ |
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23:02:04 | kugel | slow stream? :( |
23:03:23 | kugel | ah, the download.rockbox.org one is better |
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23:13:03 | rasher | B4gder: http://thepiratebay.org/torrent/5350064 |
23:13:21 | rasher | I don't know if that actually works. This is my first attempt at creating a torrent |
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23:18:47 | rasher | Seems to be working. |
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23:21:51 | pamaury | hehehe, I've completely rewritten the dircache generation. Result: -591 bytes, -30kib ram :) |
23:22:19 | pamaury | looks promissing |
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23:29:25 | CIA-88 | New commit by FlynDice (r24573): Sansa Clip+: Unset pin B0 correctly in dualboot.S |
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23:30:54 | pamaury | I think that with some work, it is possible to get completely rid of MAX_PATH in dircache and diruncache as well as in file.c, that is nearly in the whole core (firmware/*). I have a prototype for this. |
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23:34:02 | JdGordon_ | pamaury: nice work. removing MAX_PATH could cause problems in apps though, what happens when really long filenames are asked for but are truncated? |
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23:38:28 | pamaury | JdGordon: removing MAX_PATH from apps seems hard for now but I think that the core can be made mostly independent of MAX_PATH. That is, it can open file/dir with arbitrary long filenames. |
23:39:54 | pamaury | But that's not the priority. My priority is to be sure my new dircache generation is correct and to commit it. I would like that Slasheri review it also but I've not seen him for several days now |
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23:46:49 | pamaury | Call to tester: could you try "FS #10991 - Rewrite dircache generation to free ram and stack " please ? |
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23:58:40 | CIA-88 | New commit by stripwax (r24574): Use the same trig table as fft (which is already in iram where appropriate) for mdct post twiddles (was already doing for pre twiddles). Also fix an ... |