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#rockbox log for 2010-02-13

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00:11:06pamauryIs there a way to retrieve the number of channels of an audio file ?
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00:19:34pamauryFor MTP I need to provide the range form the sample rate and the bitrate as well as a step value. Do someone has this at hand (it's intended to be the range supported by the firmware) or do I copy the firmware values ? (which are: [sample rate: 8000->96000, step 50] [bitrate: 8000->1500000, step 1])
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00:20:02pamaury*original firmware
00:21:54gevaertsper codec I assume?
00:23:58pamauryI can either have a global value or a per codec value. It's simpler for me to have a global one but we can do thing very cleanly and have a per codec value
00:24:45linuxstbpamaury: If you're asking which samplerates/bitrates Rockbox can deal with, I don't think there are any limitations (for the common codecs at least).
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00:25:38pamauryI don't why MTP always want bounds on values ! So can I put the value of the OF ? Are there sensible ?
00:25:49pamauryAnd how can I get the number of channels of an audio file ?
00:25:57linuxstbWhat "value of the OF" ?
00:26:22pamauryValues returned by the OF in MTP mode: [sample rate: 8000->96000, step 50] [bitrate: 8000->1500000, step 1]
00:26:51enapupelove u folks, continue doing this amazing job, goodnight
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00:27:34linuxstbpamaury: But to answer your question, apps/metadata.c:get_metadata() will read all the metadata from a file.
00:27:54linuxstbI don't know if the database stores technical info...
00:27:59pamauryI can't find the number of channels in the metadata
00:28:22linuxstbAh yes, I remember now. It seems we don't bother reading that...
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00:29:27pamauryIt's not that important, I'm not obliged to provide that information, if there is no way to obtain it currently :)
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00:55:28saratogaI think the MTP sample rate and channel info stuff is so that any apps syncing can transcode if needed
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00:59:12pamauryyou can get one from the other one ?
00:59:32pamauryBut yes, indeed, there is some redundancy in the properties
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01:01:38bluebrotheryeah! Non-ASCII characters working for OS X talkfile generation :)
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01:16:19TheSevenbtw, is implementing a way for rockbox to just go to sleep instead of powering off completely (and thus starting up again within milliseconds) considered a NODO?
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01:19:06JdGordonTheSeven: no
01:19:34JdGordonalmost nothing that is actually possible is a nodo :)
01:20:24TheSevenaren't most nodos actually possible though?
01:20:42TheSeven(else we wouldn't need them at all - everyone trying to do them would just fail by definition)
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01:22:08JdGordonarnt most of them related to the archos targets?
01:22:21JdGordonother filesystems is about the only possible one that is a nodo
01:22:43TheSevenmalloc? i consider that possible as well
01:22:48TheSeven(actually most OFWs do it)
01:23:12moosTheSeven: amiconn had some ideas about it and he wanted to work on it. But that needed a rework of general power management IIRC ... like for everyone, lake of time maybe :)
01:25:13TheSevenoh, I just realized that malloc is an unspoken nodo!
01:25:19TheSevenit isn't even listed on that page
01:25:27linuxstbTheSeven: Sleep is needed for the original 1st/2nd gen ipods - they can't be powered off. So it's definitely not a nodo.
01:25:38TheSevendidn't it have a page of its own?
01:25:59UnhelpfulTheSeven: it has its own page :)
01:26:20*TheSeven wonders why this isn't linked on NoDo then, but that's probably a user vs. developer view split
01:26:21amiconnTheSeven: Proper sleep needs quite some architectural rework
01:26:47amiconn(that is, how all the various drivers and threads handle shutdown)
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01:27:12TheSevenhm, i don't think it would be that hard. about the only thing the core would need to care about is stopping playback, the rest could easily be "hibernated"
01:27:16amiconnThat's one of the various things I have on my long list...
01:27:18linuxstbTheSeven: Yes, the "NoDo" is more a list of features we can't or don't want to implement. But "don't want to" can always change over time, so I wouldn't pay much attention to that page...
01:27:34TheSevenI also object to "Add scandisk-like features!" with regard to FTLs
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01:27:39*p3tur uploaded another recording histogram patch and goes to bed
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01:27:56TheSeventhings that a normal pc without additional tools cannot do should be added to rockbox in some way or another
01:27:59amiconnTheSeven: Check more closely. Right now, shutdown causes various threads to end themselves. This would cause serious problems on wakeup
01:28:23TheSevenamiconn: i wouldn't want to do a shutdown just because i go to sleep
01:28:25amiconnAlso, in case of sleep you need to handle a lot of components which aren't important to handle on poweroff
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01:28:31TheSevenmost of that could be handled transparently by the drivers
01:29:04amiconnYes, but you need a mechanism that puts threads and hardware into a well defined state before going to sleep
01:29:25TheSevenhardware: yes, but I don't see why threads even need to know about this
01:30:00amiconnRight now several threads end themselves, and hardware is shut down in the main thread. The poper mechanism you need for sleep (or suspend as I call it) just doesn't exist yet
01:30:24UnhelpfulTheSeven: i would imagine that is why - malloc is not a user-visible feature
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01:30:57amiconnTheSeven: The threads need to know about it _because_ threads handling hardware components need to do something
01:31:37amiconnThink of the backlight thread - since it must not end on suspend, it needs to e told to shut off the backlight, and not re-enable it until receiving another event (wakeup)
01:31:43TheSeveni wonder why i can't just disable interrupts, wait for things like i2c transfers to finish if there are some, save the codec state, save the LCD contents (if this is needed at all), put sdram to self-refresh and power down. on wakeup, sdram would be re-enabled, the codec state etc. would be restored, and interrupts would be re-enabled
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01:32:25amiconnAll this needs to be coordinated, in a way that's both fast enough (parallelizing things), and also makes things happen in the right order
01:32:29*TheSeven thinks we could just suspend the backlight thread and shut the backlight off ourselves in the shutdown code
01:32:52TheSevenspeed won't be an issue, I don't think we need to parallelize here
01:32:58Unhelpfulamiconn: maybe an event queue or such that threads managing such magic listen on? they wouldn't need to actually exit, just do whatever cleanup they need to do on receiving their suspend event and then wait for a wakeup event before going back to their normal behavior.
01:33:10TheSevenshutdown would be <1s, wakeup probably way faster
01:33:10amiconnThen the backlight thread would have a wrong assumption about the current state after wakeup
01:33:36TheSevenamiconn: the current state would just be restored by the suspend code
01:33:50amiconnMessing with hardware that's supposed to be handled by another thread is dirty and error prone
01:34:19TheSevenhm, i would just freeze *everything* besides the suspend code, backup things, power down, wake up, restore things, and let go of it again
01:34:19amiconnAnd it's not just the backlight - there are more components to put to sleep. LCD, audio codec, to name just two
01:34:44TheSevenyes, it's lcd, backlight, codec and nand. I can't think of more of them.
01:34:59amiconnOn hdd targets the equivalent would be hdd
01:36:06amiconnBacklight is backlight thread, codec is powermgmt, lcd is main thread. Now synchronize
01:36:43amiconn...making sure that you don't introduce race conditions (e.g. if the user plugs in usb when rockbox is *just* about to suspend)
01:37:16amiconnOh, btw, the usb thread might also have to do something
01:38:17amiconnIt's certainly doable, it's *just* rather complex
01:38:29JdGordonthe fun things always are
01:38:37*amiconn ponders implementing a poor-mans suspend for 1st/2nd Gen
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01:39:13amiconnOne that behaves like a regular poweroff, i.e. it reboots immediately on wakeup
01:39:37amiconn*poor man's
01:40:26*amiconn doesn't really like such hackjobs. Do it properly, or not at all...
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01:49:48JdGordonwell.... there are hackjobs, and there are dirty rotten horrible hack jobs
01:50:02JdGordonthe firts is usually somewhat acceptable (imo)
01:50:52S_a_i_n_tso is the second (*if you really really really want something and there's no other way to do it :P)
01:50:57TheSevenbtw, i would really appreciate if someone could have a look at nano2g type-2 lcd init. this still isn't working at all, and can easily be tested and played with.
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01:51:36TheSevenoops? planetbeing?
01:54:53S_a_i_n_tI got a "*PANIC* USB ***<-(something I didn't quite catch)" last night on Nano2g just by plugging the dock connecter in, resulting in 'please restore using itunes, yadda yadda yadda'...who knows what would've caused that?
01:56:45TheSevendid the panic really mention usb?
01:57:04TheSevenwhat probably caused the need for restore was the crash itself, not the usb issue
01:57:26TheSevenwell, check for panicf's in the usb code then
01:57:41TheSeveni had some usb problems today, too
01:57:50TheSevenit sometimes just wouldn't enumerate properly
01:58:05TheSevennot sure what caused this, but it was still working fine in the morning
02:00:08S_a_i_n_tbtw, why is there a need to press the 'select'(if it's turned off) for the nano2g to boot/detect the dock connector, whereas the nano1g say knows it's been plugged in and boots/detects even if it is off.
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02:01:10TheSevendifferent wakeup bits set in the pmu
02:01:26TheSevendidn't yet bother to figure out which one fires if there is usb activity
02:01:58S_a_i_n_twould it *ever* be possible to get it working in a similar fashion to the 1g/others...?
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02:11:17TheSevenS_a_i_n_t: USB? probably yes
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02:12:52Guest77276i've been trying to compile rockbox on os x 10.4
02:13:08Guest77276getting this error in terminal:
02:13:09Guest77276dyld: lazy symbol binding failed: Symbol not found: _open$UNIX2003 Referenced from: /private/var/root/rbinstall/./mkamsboot-mac Expected in: /usr/lib/libSystem.B.dylib dyld: Symbol not found: _open$UNIX2003 Referenced from: /private/var/root/rbinstall/./mkamsboot-mac Expected in: /usr/lib/libSystem.B.dylib Trace/BPT trap
02:13:18Guest77276anyone know what's up?
02:14:25linuxstbGuest77276: That sounds like a problem with your OS X installation. Can you compile anything else?
02:15:11Guest77276never tried...
02:15:32Guest77276are there any precompiled patched binaries for the sansa clip?
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02:16:25enthdegreeAre there any additional plugins I can get for my c200vI?
02:16:31linuxstbGuest77276: What do you mean by "patched binaries" ? You mean the original firmware patched with the Rockbox bootloader?
02:17:07Unhelpfulenthdegree: rockbox installs with all of the plugins.
02:17:18linuxstbGuest77276: You can download an OS X mkamsboot binary here -
02:17:56enthdegreeSnap. Also, why is the wikipedia reader not included in the normal install?
02:18:00enthdegreeIt's still a patch.
02:19:18linuxstbenthdegree: Probably just because no core developer (i.e. someone with rights to add things to the official builds) has taken an interest in it...
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02:19:42Unhelpfulenthdegree: generally things that stay on flyspray have a reason for not being merged yet. it could be anywhere from "somebody needs to review and approve this" to "there are serious things that need fixed" to "we don't think this belongs in rockbox"
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02:20:12enthdegree\c: ok.
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02:37:53Guest77276yes, i do mean the OF patched with rockbox...
02:38:02Guest77276i tried using the mkamsboot binary
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02:38:21linuxstbGuest77276: Then no, we can't distribute those for obvious reasons.
02:38:25AlexPWe cannot legally distribute the sansa firmware
02:38:26Guest77276but my guess is it has some leopard dependencies, based on the error
02:38:40Guest77276i see
02:40:11Guest77276well i need to remove rockbox then
02:40:25Guest77276is the only file from the zip .rockbox?
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02:42:36Guest77276thank you
02:42:48Guest77276i might try getting my friend on windows 7 to compile it later
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02:55:24pneuxi need some help!
02:56:08linuxstbJust ask...
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02:57:11linuxstbUnhelpful: (bringing -community talk here) mpegplayer should clip fine - I've tried VCD resolution videos on my Gigabeat F in the past (352x288 IIRC) and they played fine.
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02:58:19linuxstbUnhelpful: But I'm pretty sure mpegplayer just crashes badly if the video is too big. That would be nice to fix (and may be debuggable in the sim).
02:58:30Unhelpfullinuxstb: excellent. so what we want is 1) are buffers sufficient for the larger resolutions and bitrates 2) IPU scaling on beast when playing not-screen-size files 3) figure out the TV output
02:59:12Unhelpfuli'd love it to be usable as a gadget i can plug into a TV at a hotel or such and watch a selection of movies prepared on it :)
02:59:25Unhelpfulalthough... i'd probably already just use the laptopt for that
03:00:00linuxstbThat would be a nice summer-of-code project...
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04:19:37shodan45does the sansa fuze (v1) not have a partition table or something?
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04:20:58shodan45nothing shows up in fdisk, but it gets automounted as just /dev/sdc
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05:52:30linuxstbshodan45: If it mounts as /dev/sdc, then it doesn't have a partition table.
05:57:54shodan45linuxstb, thx
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08:19:27nickkhey guys. I got an ipod 5th gen and every time I try to play a song off the database, it starts searching for the song
08:19:35nickkis there any way to prevent that?
08:23:05Unhelpfulyou might want to try enabling Settings->General Settings->Database->Load to RAM
08:23:30nickki have done that
08:23:47nickkbut it still performs a search before playing a song
08:24:17Unhelpfuland how long a delay is that causing?
08:24:50nickkwell the count down is from about 3600, so a good 1 to 2 minutes
08:25:40Unhelpfulthe player *has to* load additional information to play a song from the database - you've been browsing a list of titles, it then needs to load the pathname of the file. then it needs to load the file data itself, which it would need to do if you were using the file browser, also.
08:26:53nickkthis does not happen with the file browser for some reason
08:27:12nickkit's a countdown where the player searches for the song
08:28:32nickkok, this wait is something i could deal with
08:28:57terumaybe disable "auto update"?
08:29:08nickkbut how come i cannot skip to the next song when i am in the database or the file browser
08:29:19Unhelpfuldoes it actually *take* 1-2 minutes to play the song? don't assume that numbers on your screen are in seconds :)
08:29:35nickkyes it does
08:29:54nickkapproximately 1 - 2 minutes
08:30:36Unhelpfulteru: even with auto update, update should not run on track select...
08:31:35Lloreannickk: It searches when you press select on an individual song?
08:32:14nickkyes Llorean
08:33:09LloreanHave you tried inserting just the one song, rather than pressing "select" on it and queuing the whole folder?
08:33:10Unhelpfuland how are you browsing the database? do you select the track in question from "tracks"?
08:34:08nickkyeah i am selecting the track from the "tracks" folder
08:34:24Unhelpfulit's not a folder, it's a list. :)
08:34:49nickkwell that list then :)
08:35:16LloreanSo, about that "insert" alternative?
08:35:50Unhelpfuli imagine he's simply selecting (play) instead of using insert, and... yeah, i think i see the problem. :)
08:36:05LloreanIt's queuing up 3600 songs, having to check the database for the path for each of them
08:36:13Unhelpfulwouldn't that load all tracks to the playlist?
08:36:15LloreanWell, inserting them
08:36:35nickkok so how am i supposed to do it
08:36:44Unhelpfulprobably he needs to enable dircache also if he hasn't... doesn't the tagcache use dircache to speed path lookups?
08:36:51LloreanI think it does, yes
08:37:16LloreanThat will probably help considerably
08:37:31Unhelpfulnickk: if you want to keep doing things the way you do them now, make sure dircache is enabled (needs a reboot) and see if that helps
08:38:16Unhelpfulotherwise, use the context menu to insert tracks individually, since a simple select in the DB browser loads the whole list you're viewing as the new playlist.
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08:38:41nickkUnhelpful: how do i enable the dircache?
08:38:42Unhelpfulor browse via album or artist first, then it will only load the whole album to the playlist.
08:39:27Unhelpfuli'll let you know in a minute, i'm rebuilding the latest. :)
08:39:56nickksure that'd be great
08:40:01nickki have one more issue though
08:40:28Unhelpfulwhat's that?
08:40:37nickki cannot skip to the next song, either in FB or in DB even if i have my prevent track skipping off
08:41:09Unhelpfulhow are you trying to skip to the next song?
08:41:36nickkby pressing "next"
08:41:51LloreanYou can only skip tracks in the WPS
08:42:10nickki am in the WPS
08:42:20LloreanWhat do you mean by "FB" and "DB" then?
08:42:24Unhelpfuldircache is settings->general settings->system->disk->directory cache
08:43:03nickki meant even if i play songs using the file browser or using the database, i cannot skip to the next song
08:45:30LloreanWhat version of Rockbox do you have?
08:46:15nickkversion 3.5
08:46:57LloreanAnd there are more than one song in your playlist when you try to skip?
08:47:16nickkyes definetely
08:47:34LloreanIf you let the song end naturally, what happens?
08:47:54nickkit skips to the next one
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08:48:04LloreanHavey ou tried completely resetting settings, then?
08:48:07Unhelpfulproblem with the touchpad maybe?
08:48:42nickkno, that's impossible, whenever i press "next" it fast forwards
08:48:55LloreanYou're holding it too long, then
08:49:27nickktrust me i am not
08:49:38LloreanIf it's fast forwarding, you are.
08:50:03nickkif there was a webcam on this irc, i could show you
08:51:01nickki press it as fast as i can and it just fast forwards
08:51:26LloreanHow can you tell it fast forwards if you're pressing and immediately releasing?
08:51:41nickkbecause it skips one second
08:52:37LloreanThe minimum fast-forward time is less than a second. It sounds like your button might be sticking
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08:53:20nickkbut it doesn't do that if i load the original Ipod software
08:53:43LloreanThe original firmware might have a longer wait time before it fast forwards
08:54:07nickkyes but it skips just fine
08:54:37LloreanI don't see what the "but" is there. If it had a longer wait time before it fast forwards, and your buttons just stick a little, they wouldn't stick long enough to prevent skipping in the OF.
08:54:49LloreanBut you can just file a bug report and see if anyone else can reproduce
08:55:05LloreanIf you're using a release build it should be trivial for someone with the same hardware to verify once somebody comes along
08:56:22nickkhmm ok, thanks for your help anyway
08:56:37nickkUnhelpful: thank you as well
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10:37:02Buschelmt: when walking through the atrac decoder (searching for further optimization possibilites) a question came up. In getChannelWeights() you are calculating two factors −− the second is using sqrt. I am wondering whether the calculation is correct as the result for indx==7 is ONE_16 and handled as a special case. When using the sqrt-function the result is sqrt(ONE_16)=ONE_8. As the results are used for multipication and 16.16-format is used I guess
10:37:17Buschelmt: I am asking because I would like to create some tables for this.
10:38:04Buschelmt: I am also checking to find a faster INTERPOLATE macro or algo
10:38:54Buschelmt: would be great if you could share your thoughts
10:38:58Buschelsee you later
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10:47:26ranmachanDamn, now I bricked it >_<
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11:45:29CIA-88New commit by stripwax (r24630): Add XNPROD31_R and XPROD31_R macros for coldfire (same idea as XPROD32: identical to XPROD31 and XNPROD31 but avoid a memory reference)
11:45:44stripwax_^mdctexp now compiles on coldfire..
11:50:30stripwax_mt - (for the logs) - does raac.c now use ff_imdct_calc ? i see it's still commented out
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12:17:35teruCould anyone test FS #10535: bmp viewer on greyscale/mono target please? I'll commit it in the near future if no one objects.
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12:21:20Guest01Hello all.. does 3.5 version break while charging in USB mode for ipod vdo ?
12:24:01Guest01Anyone home?
12:25:10AlexPIt is slow, but I don't know what you mean by "break"
12:26:38Guest01@Alexp I mean, when i connect my ipod vdo to my laptop, it does not get charged and device keeps unloading/loading from windows repeatedly. Contant sounds of windows of installing/uninstalling new device tell about second thing.
12:27:00AlexPYou don't need the @ in IRC
12:27:13AlexPAnd you connect holding menu?
12:27:18AlexPWhat OS?
12:27:53pixelmaI think Rockbox USB is disabled for Ipods in the release?
12:28:06Guest01Alexp, thanks. No, no button is holded while connecting. WinXP. Now i moved to 3.4 and it works fine, so something related to 3.5 only. Has anyone else reported similiar thing?
12:28:20AlexPTry turning USB HID off
12:28:40AlexPThis is the 3.5 release right?
12:28:53AlexPSo when you plug in USB it should reboot to the apple disk mode
12:29:03AlexPForget the HID bit if you are using the release
12:29:20Guest01Alexp Yes, it was seen in v3.5. So, you mean with 3.5 HID doesn matter
12:29:37AlexPRockbox USB is disabled in the release
12:29:56AlexPSo when you plug in USB without holding a button it should reboot to the Apple emergency disk mode
12:30:57Guest01AlexP ohh ohh. So, ideally i should still be able to connect ipod to pc and charge it.. as i dont care which disk mode it starts..
12:31:13AlexPTo charge only you hold menu when plugging in
12:31:19AlexPBut it is slow in Rockbox
12:31:34AlexPIf you want to do fast charging, you should reboot to the Aplle firmware
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12:32:13Guest01okay, So i need to press select+menu button to reboot in Apple firmware and then connect for charging
12:32:26pixelmateru: I'll have a look. Has it been tested for lowmem targets?
12:32:51AlexPGuest01: No, just shut down as normal, then when turning on hold the appropriate key to get the Apple firmware
12:32:59AlexPThe key is listed in the manual
12:34:07Guest01AlexP: all right, and for transferring songs to Ipod, i can connect directly?? I mean i am little confused how would i transfer songs to it now.
12:34:47AlexPYou can either do it by restarting in the Apple firmware manually, or when you plug in USB in Rockbox it should restart in the Apple diskmode automatically
12:34:56AlexPBut this doesn't seem to be working for you
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12:35:44Guest01yes, the screen i see is : a plug is shown and text written is "multimedia mode"
12:35:54AlexPThat is rockbox USB
12:36:13AlexPWhich you shouldn't get with the release
12:36:20AlexPOne second
12:37:15terupixelma: thanks. i tested on gigabeat x and on some of simulators.
12:37:40AlexPGuest01: Could you go to System −−> Rockbox Info and tell me what version it says?
12:38:21terrakokwhat type of file system debian-rockbox?
12:38:48AlexPRockbox supports FAT
12:38:53AlexPdebian has nothing to do with it
12:39:07Guest01ohh, I had moved to 3.4. I will install 3.5 again, give me some time
12:39:17terrakokno, debian-rockbox (virtual mashin)
12:39:33AlexPThat isn't Rockbox (just to be clear)
12:39:50AlexPI don't know, I'd guess ext3
12:39:57AlexPFor the VM
12:41:38terupixelma: so I haven't tested on lowmem real devices.
12:42:24bertrikjobec, funman, maybe the high current consumption of some sansa clips can be explained by the radio chip not being completely turned off, I do remember that the radio chip in my clip behaved slightly different than the one in other ams sansa players
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12:49:46Guest01AlexP : Looks like the problem is gone now. I installed "rockbox-ipodvideo-3.5" manually. restarted ipod. when it was still on, i connected to laptop. multimedia screen came for a minute, but then "do not disconnect" screen started coming.
12:50:02AlexPCool :)
12:50:19Guest01Thanks, you guys are great!
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12:50:26AlexPYou are welcome :)
12:51:17Guest01i have another question: are we planning to include : in upcoming build?
12:52:35AlexPI don't know - it hasn't been discussed for ages
12:52:52AlexPI think I remember some people wanting it, and others being quite against it
12:53:11AlexPAs there is already a dedicated button to do that, and it just adds yet another thing to clutter up the menu
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12:53:46*bertrik thinks exactly what AlexP said
12:53:53Guest01actually, there is no button on ipod and i dont want to press the play button for so long :(
12:54:01AlexPThere is, it is the long play
12:54:21AlexPIt is much quicker to hold down play, than to navigate to the menu, find the right option, select etc.
12:54:37AlexPIn my opinion given we have a button to do it, it isn't necessary
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12:55:54Guest01it might sound stupid, but i love my ipod so much that i feel bad in pressing a button for so long.. I respect your team's decision not to include it and will try to build local build with this patch.
12:56:12AlexPHehe, I'm sure the ipod doesn't mind :)
12:57:00AlexPBut yes, by all means do yourself a build with the patch. There is some quite good documentation on the wiki on how to do that, and if you get stuck then of course ask
12:57:09jobecbertrik: sounds like a valid idea. is there any easy way to test it? like a custom build which explicitely shuts the radio down
12:57:46Guest01Yes, i have links needed. I had tried earlier but it was failing hile building. Giving it a second try today. WIll surely ask
13:00:43Guest01Can i ask a out of topic question. it is not related to rockbox, but usb devices as such
13:01:27bertrikjobec, a very simple thing to do is to go to system/debug/radio and look at the numbers there so I can identify the radio chip type, can you tell me the top 4 numbers?
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13:03:40gevaertsGuest01: we don't want off-topic things here, but we do have another channel for that, #rockbox-community
13:04:00jobecbertrik: si4700?
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13:05:10bertrikjobec, no the top line with the contents of the SI4700 regs, saying something like 1242 0850 4001 xxxx
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13:05:23AlexPbertrik: Would you like mine?
13:05:57bertrikAlexP, yes please. You may have to enter and exit the radio screen to make the numbers show anything else than just 0000.
13:06:08AlexPWas just going to ask that :)
13:06:15jobecbertrik: all zeros. i have to run now for a while
13:06:47AlexPbertrik: 1242 1053 4001 0015
13:06:56AlexPjobec: You need to go into the radio then exit
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13:08:43bertrikAlexP, thanks. I'll compile a list of this and hope to see any relation with power consumption.
13:09:08bertrikYours is a sansa clip v1, 2GB with long runtime, right?
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13:14:04AlexPbertrik: yep
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13:21:15pixelmateru: seems to work nicely on my M5 (coldfire, greyscale) and OndioFM (sh, lowmem, monochrome). The only thing I would wish for is that the bmp viewer could do aspect ratio correction on the latter as pictureflow does. (The Archos screen has rectangular pixels so without the correction suqare images (e.g. album art) looks squeezed. But that's a cosmetic issue that can be "fixed" later
13:22:28pixelmasquare images too ;)
13:23:01Unhelpfulpixelma: funny, if it uses scale-on-load it should *get* aspect ratio correction...
13:26:32pixelmawell, the 200x200 cover.bmp (which has to be scaled down) I'm watching doesn't look corrected in the bmp viewer. I can't tell what the plugin uses, maybe have a look at the patch yourself...
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13:28:01pixelmafun to watch Rockbox screendumps though which are correct now and would look wrong when corrected (but I guess that's not the usual picture you would watch)
13:29:05terupixelma: thank you for testing.
13:30:38Unhelpfulpixelma: i'm a bit surprised if it's actually resizing at all... load_and_show seems to use the core bitmap loader, which doesn't do any scaling on mono targets.
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13:32:16pixelmayou can zoom in and out and the 200x200 picture is scaled down to fit (looks like 50x50)
13:33:07pixelmamaybe it just skips rows and columns though? (If I understand your statement correctly)
13:33:57Unhelpfulpixelma: it's using smooth_resize_bitmap, grey_resize_bitmap, etc.
13:35:43Unhelpfullooks like it defines grey_resize_bitmap itself... i'll have to take a closer look later at what goes on here. :)
13:36:50terugrey_resize_bitmap is exactly same as simple_resize_bitmap in pluginlib_bmp.c.
13:37:57Unhelpfulteru: on targets with non-square pixels i think the solution is to *always* scale on load
13:38:49Unhelpfulyou can test with LCD_PIXEL_ASPECT_WIDTH and LCD_PIXEL_ASPECT_HEIGHT, both will be 1 on targets with square pixels
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13:41:36teruUnhelpful: ok, thanks. I'll take a look later.
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13:46:11Unhelpfulit might be best on such targets, since you're already getting the unscaled size of the bmp, to calculate "unscaled" width as orig_width * LCD_PIXEL_ASPECT_HEIGHT and height as orig_height * LCD_PIXEL_ASPECT_WIDTH. then divide both by MIN(LCD_PIXEL_APSECT_WIDTH,LCD_PIXEL_ASPECT_HEIGHT)
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14:21:21gevaertssim-on-900 audio dropouts do not seem to be caused by the pcm buffer running out of data
14:21:47gevaertsassuming the buffer info debug screen is reliable on the sim
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14:32:21randomguyHi, I am writing a pugin and want to get a text entry from the user. I am using this but it does not seem to be working kbd_input(char Name, int 10); can anyone help Thank u?
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14:37:29gevaertsrandomguy: have you ever done any C programming before?
14:37:54randomguyI just cant get that function to work
14:38:01gevaertskbd_input(char Name, int 10); is not valid C
14:38:13randomguyI know but its in the rockbox api?
14:39:17gevaertsThe prototype is kbd_input(char* buffer, int buflen);
14:40:32randomguyso would this work kbd_input(char* Name, int 10);
14:41:41gevaertsno, of course not. That's not C. Rockbox is written in C
14:41:41domonokyno, thats not valid C
14:42:14*domonoky remeber to have written a complete example line for randomguy here in irc a few days ago.
14:42:25pamauryrandomguy: have you ever done a C program ?
14:42:56*pamaury hates sansa OF: if the directory structure is too deep, the MTP mode is buggy and the Of freeze half of the time !!!
14:43:06randomguyso how would I get input?, my plugin is finished and tested. it justs need text input
14:43:23gevaertsyou call the kbd_input function
14:43:27pamauryExample (untested):
14:43:34pamaurychar input[30];
14:43:41pamauryrb->kbd_input(intput, 30);
14:43:53domonokychar buf[10]; kbd_input(buf,sizeof(buf)); int car = atoi(buf);
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14:51:20randomguykbdinput isnt working
14:51:25randomguythis my plugin
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14:53:24domonokyB4gder: did you move the new rbutil binarys to the download server ?
14:53:41*gevaerts wonders why randomguy asks questions here if he doesn't bother reading the answers
14:53:59randomguyI do bother, I just dont understand them
14:54:23AlexPrandomguy: look at what pamaury just wrote, and compare it to what you wrote
14:54:45gevaertsif you don't understand them, maybe you need to learn C first
14:54:58randomguyI do know basic C
14:55:18randomguylike printf, scanf, switch, loops, if statements etc
14:55:28domonokythen look at the examples we wrote to you here, and compare to your code.
14:55:48domonokyits so wrong, we can believe you know C
14:55:51domonokycan not
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15:04:11randomguywhat is wrong with it, Ok i missed out the semi colons and I did not print the Answer. But apart from that it compiles fine
15:05:35gevaertsdo you know what this advanced C thing called a "function" is?
15:05:55domonokyand semicolons are important in C :-)
15:10:22randomguyrb->kbd_input(searchword, sizeof(searchword)); doesnt use a function?
15:11:32domonokykbd_input() is a function..
15:13:31AlexPWhat is the difference between this line from pamaury "rb->kbd_input(intput, 30);" and yours?
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15:23:40gevaertsWhere is the size of the pcm buffer defined?
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15:51:46ranmachanI'd like to request this small change:
15:52:07ranmachanThis would have prevented the mistake that lead to my bricked c200v2...
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16:15:05gevaertsranmachan: maybe put that on the tracker. I'm not sure if mkamsboot people are online right now
16:17:19ranmachanWill do
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17:47:36amiconnUnhelpful, pixelma: In order to view rockbox screendumps undistorted, maybe the bmp loader should make an exception so that it doesn't correct bmps which are exactly the size of the lcd?
17:47:55amiconns/bmp loader/bmp viewer/
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18:14:59webguest51Hi I have been trying to add number input for days but it does not seem to be working, can anyone modify it to allow number entry so that I can add it to source. Thanks
18:16:22gevaertsWhat's wrong with the examples people have given you several times now?
18:17:00webguest51I cannot get them to work and wish if someone could modify it so that I can learn from it, Thanks
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18:19:16TheSevenbtw, that code uses (avoidable) floating point math
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18:40:24kugelthe bot is gone?
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18:45:05*kugel thinks mcuelenaere could've just added fscanf to the core
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18:45:40*domonoky wants todo subtrack support for asap codec (currently it only plays the default track). But if i do it similar to nsf(plays all songs, seeking 1 sec switches to next subtrack, special handling in repeat-one mode) , i loose the ability to seek in normal mode. Anyone got a better idea ?
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18:47:07kugeldomonoky: why not just make normal skip skip subtracks?
18:47:22kugelthat's how cuesheets work too
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18:47:53domonokyso to change to the next real file, you have to skip through the subtracks ?
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18:48:49domonokycan i change id3-title when i do that ?
18:49:01kugelI would at least expect it to work like that
18:49:16domonokyi will try this :-)
18:49:21webguest51@kugel "the bot is gone?" If that was directed to me I am not a bot and simply want to learn!
18:49:43kugeldomonoky: I'm not sure if it's possible from the codec
18:50:24domonokychanging id3->length works from the codec, so i will just test it :-)
18:50:39kugelah well, then it should work :)
18:50:58AlexPwebguest51: Nothing to do with you
18:51:05gevaertskugel: it apparently disconnected at 12:11 today
18:52:09AlexPkugel: looks like the cia website is down
18:52:10kugel#commits is silent as well
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18:55:33RaafatIs anyone willing to help me?
18:55:50AlexPPeople have been helping you all day
18:55:56AlexPBut you haven't been listening
18:56:16AlexPAlso, this isn't a teach-people-C channel
18:57:02Raafat I do know C, the plugin does compile and work. Its just I dont know how to translate a SCANF() command to rockbox
18:57:19AlexPAnd you have been told multiple times
18:57:32AlexPAnd given your examples, it doesn't appear that you do know C
18:58:30RaafatOK My C knowledge may not be great, but if the plugin is compiling and works on my unit then how can I not know some C????
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18:58:58domonokypure luck ? :-)
18:59:11TheSevena lot of copy and paste?
19:00:03TheSevenobviously you can't just copy and paste a 2 line snippet from this channel though
19:00:41RaafatI did not copy and paste anything. I wrote the program as a windows Command line program and then decided to port it to rockbox and it works if I set the variables in the program.
19:00:48RaafatThere is no need to be rude!!
19:00:53AlexPRead the logs from 13:30 GMT today
19:01:00AlexPYou have been told what the problem is
19:01:24TheSeveni will even quote it for you: [14:42]<domonoky>char buf[10]; kbd_input(buf,sizeof(buf)); int car = atoi(buf);
19:02:05RaafatSo is car]
19:02:09Raafatthe variable?
19:02:29gevaertsThat's clear for *anyone* who knows C
19:02:38kugelobviously you need to replace "car" with your variables ..
19:03:29TheSevenand actually you may want to remove the declaration of it at the same time, as you already declared things as global variables :-)
19:05:36AlexPRaafat: People aren't being rude, they are just tired of giving the same answer over and over
19:06:02RaafatSo if its that easy why cant you just add it to my code so I can go away
19:06:36AlexPBecause that won't solve anything
19:06:41AlexPYou ought to learn how to fish
19:09:03kugelRaafat: you need to realize that we won't do your job (unless you pay me ;) )
19:11:08RaafatWhy should I pay you , Its an open source community project. And its not like I have not written the code myself I just need a little help with the last bit??
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19:11:28kugelopen source doesn't mean "code for me"
19:12:04kugeland it annoys me that you claim we don't help me. We've been helping you all the day
19:12:11kugelhelp you*
19:12:20AlexPRaafat: People are willing to help, and have helped. However it has become clear that you need to go back a few steps and have a look at the basics
19:12:46AlexPAs you are asking questions to which you don't appear to understand the answers
19:14:34kugelRaafat: alright, I updated the paste for you
19:15:11RaafatVery Funny
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19:41:22bertrikranmachan, sorry to hear about your c200v2, your fix in FS #11009 looks sensible, I think I'll commit it
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19:54:27Guest85551can some one help mod my ipod 3g (small one) for games
19:54:59AlexPRockbox doesn't support the nano 3rd gen
19:55:36AlexPI just answered
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20:01:45domonokyB4gder: can you please move the new rbutil binarys to the download server ?
20:03:23domonokykugel: little problem with your suggestion todo subtracks with normal skips, i can only skip forwards, because i only know that a new track was requested, not which direction the skip was.
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20:10:31freddybI added predictive text to my scrollwheel keyboard patch:
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20:31:19Olofim thinking about purchasing a sandisk sansa fuze
20:31:36Olofis the chance to find a v1 new very low?
20:31:40AlexPIf you want Rockbox in any form make sure it is a v1
20:31:43Olofany store etc that sells it?
20:31:48Oloflooked at the wiki
20:31:51AlexPPretty low I'd guess
20:32:02Olofto bad
20:32:08AlexPbut you never know
20:32:17tmztif you find the old rainbow boxes that might be
20:32:18Olofare there any player that you can pickup new that supports rockbox?
20:32:23Strife89|PalmTXOlof: You can also consider an e200.
20:32:39tmzthmm, silver fuze 8g's at besbbuy are v2?
20:32:43Strife89|PalmTXROckbox supports all the e200s.
20:32:53Olofyeah, im thinking about a e200 as well
20:32:55tmztsorry, the first comment was e2xx
20:32:57Olofbut a fuze would be nice
20:33:09Olofim however located in europe
20:33:16Olofso i dont believe bestbuy is an option for me?
20:33:59Olofwhat im looking for is a quite cheap player that supports micro-sdhc and rockbox
20:34:29AlexPe200, c200v1 or fuzev1
20:34:37Olofyeah, seems that way
20:34:46Olofand c200 does not look that interesting
20:34:57AlexPIt is small
20:35:01AlexPThe screen is crap
20:35:27Olofbut theres no way to identify a v1 fuze?
20:35:31Olofby the packaging etc
20:36:11Strife89|PalmTXSandisk commonly puts v1 hardware in cases marked as v2.
20:36:19Strife89|PalmTXAnd vice-versa.
20:36:48Olofdoes the original firmware support sdhc cards?
20:37:07Strife89|PalmTXNot on the c/e200s.
20:37:16Strife89|PalmTXROckbox, however, does.
20:37:18Olofand if any of you own a fuze, is it easy to eject the microsd card?
20:37:22Olofthought about the fuze
20:37:29Strife89|PalmTXYes, it's easy.
20:37:31Olofi had this issue with my e280
20:37:40Olofthat i usually ejected the card by accident
20:37:46Strife89|PalmTXThe card sticks out a little on the Fuze.
20:37:51Olofok :/
20:38:26Strife89|PalmTXThe c200s are the most "secure" in that sense.
20:38:31Strife89|PalmTXThe card doesn
20:38:38Strife89|PalmTX't stick out much at all.
20:38:43Olofdoes anyone know about the status at clip+
20:38:50Olofas it looks like a really interesting player
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20:54:31AlexPOlof: Yeah, clip+ looks interesting
20:54:49AlexPsome work has been done, but it is no where near ready to use
20:58:32freddybI'm making background keymaps for simulator targets. Why are there targets that just have a circuit board?
20:59:07gevaertsthat's the mini2440?
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21:00:49freddybIAUDIO_7, IAUDIO_M3, SANSA_C200, SANSA_CLIP so far
21:02:09gevaertsI only see the IAUDIO_7 like that
21:02:18freddybNevermind, I didn't clean my build dir good enough
21:02:34gevaertsand for that one, I assume it's because we don't have a better image
21:04:05perfectdrug_gevaerts: how far is this port? is it usable at all?
21:04:13freddybOk, it might take some time to map all these
21:04:29gevaertsperfectdrug_: I suspect it doesn't even compile
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21:06:31perfectdrug_it's not hard to find a better image, but if it is not worked on, than probably no need to bother
21:07:29pixelmathe problem with "found" images is copyright, no?
21:08:26perfectdrug_i could do a svg but think it is not worth it, or maybe just a quick hack
21:10:51perfectdrug_the zenvision looks like a digicam:D
21:11:16freddybI'll do some checking on the iAudio 7
21:18:47AlexPWhat are the network issue referred to in the topic?
21:19:13gevaertshm, that's a few days ago
21:20:01AlexPSo it can go?
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21:40:38checkeris "ui" in "ui viewport" user interface?
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21:48:48ThomasAHAlexP or others: What does already work with the clip+? Anything more than dual boot or a delay at boot?
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22:04:31jobecbertrik: new try on the reg values: 1242 0850 4001 0007
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22:10:05AlexPThomasAH: Very very little:
22:10:20bertrikjobec, thanks, that seems to be the "old" type of tuner
22:11:34AlexPbertrik: Do we both have "new"?
22:12:16B4gderdomonoky: all the 1.2.5 packages are now on the dl master
22:14:57ThomasAHAlexP: I hoped the page is not up to date :)
22:15:08AlexPheh :)
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22:19:27bertrikAlexP, yes, we both have a si4702 with firmware revision C19 (I can tell from the 1053 value), the 0850 value indicates an older type si4700 rev B
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22:20:05AlexPhmmm, interesting
22:21:19mc2739bertrik or AlexP, when you stop your radios, does your debug screen go back to all zeros?
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22:22:48AlexPmc2739: yes
22:23:22bertrikthat could be something in the software though
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22:24:04AlexPjobec: does yours?
22:24:21bertrikyup, software does that
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22:31:50pamauryShouldn't format (and thus sprintf/logf) check for NULL strings ?
22:35:33pamauryAnd thus display something like "(null)" in that case ?
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22:44:06pamauryIs someone interested by what I'm saying ? ;)
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22:49:49bertrikI think we shouldn't pass NULL strings in the first place
22:50:35B4gderyeah, we never did add any treatment for NULL since we never needed it
22:50:54B4gderso the question is if the need is there now, or not
22:50:54Unhelpfulamiconn: or else have an option for it. and doing grey->grey scaling using the "standard" scaler should be very simple, just a callback to return a line at a time, and filling in some structures and calling the scaler. could even load the image unscaled and use a button or context-menu item to toggle aspect correction.
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22:53:14pamaurybertrik, B4gder: this can be needed sometimes during debugging but anyway, that's not crucial
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23:00:02punktHi! Does anybody here know their way around the wps code?
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23:03:15AlexPdoes rbutil now support the nano 2g?
23:04:29saratogayeah according to the release notes
23:04:39saratogaadded in the second to most recent release
23:05:01saratogais it just me or does a52_imdct_512 not actually use the bias argument in lib152/imdct.c?
23:05:04saratogahow is that not a warning
23:05:21saratogawe warn on unused function arguments right? or can codecs disable that
23:07:07pixelmasaratoga: you posted a link to how to reset an Ipod yesterday in the forums. If I read the original post he says that his Select button doesn't work correctly - how does you answer help him then?
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23:12:22checkerfor the volume tag conditional, %?pv<Mute|...|0 dB|Above 0 dB> , must those 3 positions (mute, 0, 0+), always be defined, and the space between mute and 0 is divided by however many conditional spots you have?
23:12:52checkerminus the 3 spots for the mute 0, and 0+ of course
23:13:23mtsaratoga: seems to not be used in imdct_256 either.
23:13:35AlexPchecker: As I understand it, yes
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23:15:09pixelmamakes me wonder how the "above 0dB" works on targets that just go up to 0 (H100 and H300 IIRC)
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23:15:40checkermaybe push the colume button till it breaks and then it loads the next part
23:17:51mtsaratoga: Are you looking into using the new mdct with liba52 ?
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23:20:09pixelmaI mean how this works in the tag - does the part still need to be there or is the last state of the conditional the "0 dB" one. I'm wondering a bit about consequences for sharing WPSs/themes
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23:47:53checkerdoes the shuffle conditional have a on|off or only on? %?ps<on> %?ps<on|off>
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23:52:19waranI don't know if I already asked this thats why I ask again: Does anybody know the creator of the "Clix Brownstone"-theme which is no longer on the theme wiki (due to licensing issues, I suppose)?
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23:52:39saratogawaran: check the wiki logs and see who uploaded it
23:52:46saratogamt: yeah I was looking at it quikcly
23:52:50waranIll try
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23:53:14saratogaits a little different then all the other MDCTs in rockbox
23:53:32waranWoops. The theme site is not part of the wiki.
23:53:50saratogathe codec actually stores the short block transforms in pairs and does then two at a time
23:55:02pixelmasaratoga: did you see my question earlier?
23:55:49saratogapixelma: yes but I assumed it was a rhetorical question
23:56:36pixelmait wasn't
23:57:04saratogathen i have no idea
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23:58:38mtsaratoga: Why don't we have an imdct function in the mdct library specific for liba52, that uses the same fft and butterflies that the new mdct provide ? The goal is for liba52 to use codeclib for mdct, and this idea would achieve it.

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